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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Sammy Chung was King on July 17, 2022, 04:57:27 pm
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Our next friendly against our neighbours, how do we see this one going?.
I see it being very similar to the Huddersfield game, a tight affair with little in it. Washington and Eaves will be a threat. They have a decent midfield that ours will need to outwork.
They have lost of few players pre season but have got a few good players in as well. Losing Smith and Ihiekwe to Wednesday can’t have been part of the plan. They have brought two centre halves in, in Cameron Humphrey’s from Zulte Waregem and McCart from St Johnstone. Also strengthening the full back positions with Bramall coming in from Lincoln city, a good left back and Kioso from Luton.
Last season they preferred a 3-1-4-2 formation away from home.
Will they go with the same when they play us, having changed personnel?.
It would play into our hands if we can get the likes of Molyneux into the gaps left. George Miller will be key to us doing well in-this one. His movement will open gaps for others as well as himself.
At the back it’s all about concentration, not switching off at vital times. We will be punished if we do.
It’s about building partnerships up with the first game of the season in mind.
I think Tomlin could cause them a few problems also dropping into areas left unattended. The full backs will need to contribute in pushing their opposite number back, disturbing their formation.
It would be nice to see Reo Griffiths get a goal. He’s getting in there, just needs one and he will go on a run.
It is only a pre season game, but in my opinion no game is a friendly. You want to win them all. Keep the run going, confidence is building.
If everybody does their jobs, we can win again. Would like to see potential starters for the first game of the season, being given nearly a full game in this one.
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I think with the heat the game will be an absolute shocker. Fitness should improve but don’t think the result matters, even though a win against Rotherham would be nice after the last years aggregate scores.
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Yes there are certain to be a lot of drinks breaks. It will be a game to get through for the players. Tough conditions, it will help them to come through it as a team. Hard to concentrate in heat of that kind.
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They've got their very own injury crisis. They had 6 players out yesterday and picked up another injury yesterday.
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Might be worth postponing till Wednesday for players welfare.
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It might be better, it’s a friendly not a league game, so why put the players at risk of harm.
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Looks like the Goole / Doncaster area will be the hottest in europe on Tuesday somehow! Can’t see it happening.
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Was talking to a Miller on Friday, despite losing those two players to Wednesday, he says they've filled the side with lightning pace, so might be some workout on Tuesday!
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No doubt it’ll be like playing against a block of flats - Rotherham tend to like tall lads. Bearing in mind we had a tough work out yesterday, coupled with the forecasted heat, I can see this being a struggle for us. Yes, they might have injuries, but so have we!
This could be our first defeat of pre-season, but so long as we get no more injuries, the result doesn’t matter.
I wonder if it’s too soon for the new signing to get a few minutes?
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I wouldn't be against the idea of postponing it 24 hours either.
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I wouldn't be against the idea of postponing it 24 hours either.
It would be logical, that heat will be brutal. I once played a game of football when I worked in Florida. It was horrific and I didn't last long.
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I wouldn't be against the idea of postponing it 24 hours either.
It would be logical, that heat will be brutal. I once played a game of football when I worked in Florida. It was horrific and I didn't last long.
The problem is their is a concert on Saturday at the ground so delaying the game might not be an option as the stage needs to be built and sound checks done
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Common sense ought to apply. Why risk the game being played.
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It is very stupid to play when the forecast is for 40C at 3 o’clock .
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It is very stupid to play when the forecast is for 40C at 3 o’clock .
7.00 pm KO 35 degrees forecast.
The reason they won’t change it to Wed imo is England play the Qtr Final of Womens Euros on Wed Eve.
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Good for acclimatising any of our players who could make the final England squad for the world cup though.
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Good for acclimatising any of our players who could make the final England squad for the world cup though.
I take it you have Bobby Faulkner as 1st name on that team sheet for the England squad Brian.
Being serious who knows he could be in the 2026 or 2030 England squad. I know that might sound far fetched at this stage of his development, but who knows. That lad could go all the way to the top. It is not beyond the realms of possibility.
He is the best prospect at Rovers at that age 17/18 since Ian Snodin.
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Good for acclimatising any of our players who could make the final England squad for the world cup though.
I take it you have Bobby Faulkner as 1st name on that team sheet for the England squad Brian.
Being serious who knows he could be in the 2026 or 2030 England squad. I know that might sound far fetched at this stage of his development, but who knows. That lad could go all the way to the top. It is not beyond the realms of possibility.
He is the best prospect at Rovers at that age 17/18 since Ian Snodin.
I honestly can’t believe my eyes. This is someone who hasn’t made a senior appearance for DRFC
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That's why you know nowt about him Donnybax.
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Definitely going ahead according to the latest statement
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Seem to be coping OK in the Women's Euros.
Crowd seem to be acting normal.
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When you’ve got the choice why not postpone. The game will be awful no real learning. Players shouldn’t be in any danger so long as they keep hydrated but it’ll be horrible for them
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As a team the last thing we need after last seasons sh*t show is to allow our standards to drop back down to that level. We need to play this game and we need to tough it out now for the sake of our continued development.
The new broom regime will want to show everyone , fans included that we now kick on, it won't be nice for them but it's the same for everyone, plus we need to develop our teams overall stamina after the woeful output of last.
Standards need to be raised, and maintained now and for the rest of the season.
Its almost become a disease in this country to take the easy option all the time. We need to man up, team and nation.
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Well, made the decision to give this one a miss even though I have a ticket. Don't fancy an hours drive each way in these temps and then to sit in this heat even though I would have been in the West. Good luck to the boys and all you brave souls attending
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GM hinted there will be plenty of drinks breaks. Probably every 15 mins which is sensible.
He said RoShaun has played 2 x 90 mins so he could be benched to make room for the new lad and/or Olowu if he's feeling better.
More minutes for Molyneux & Biggins and probs Reo, Seaman and the triallists.
Could be one of those games where we end up stronger at the end, while they do the opposite.
Wonder whether Knoyle and Andrews are anywhere near taking part again.
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Madness to play in this heat
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Brilliant , love a bit of sweaty Ska at half time
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Got to have 4 drinks breaks surely to christ.
I'm going tonight so if you hear a miserable young(ish) man moaning about the heat for 90 minutes I do apologise.
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Wonder if we'll have many there.
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Not in this heat I cannot see many going to be honest
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No Maxwell tonight judging by tonight's trialists numbers.
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Tonight’s team
Trialist A 16 - Hurst
Trialist B 23 - Tomlin
COYR
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That’s Maxwell signed up then. Either that or he has left for another team.
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Free Press might give an update. Hold the conspiracy theories.
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Looks like he has a few options.
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/james-maxwell-verge-doncaster-transfer-24534584
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No Maxwell or the right Back that’s interesting we still haven’t got a Left back
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Either his agent is doing a good job, or the club has messed another transfer up. No right back either?, either signed or left the building.
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If we’ve fannied about with maxwell it’s criminal. We literally don’t have a specialist left back
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Either his agent is doing a good job, or the club has messed another transfer up. No right back either?, either signed or left the building.
Yes and still no left back GMC said we needed. Let’s hope we get to know why or will it he wasn’t the one for us.
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He wanted to sign for us, if we’ve messed this one up then it’s the club reverting to type. Let’s see he might have signed and been rested tonight.
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Strange that most world cups and euros take place in the summer months in very hot and sticky conditions and yet people are clamouring for this game to be postponed. I’m sure the medics and physios will have some insight into the physical constraints that they will have to cope with.
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GOAL - 1-0 Rovers
That’s the best goal of pre-season for me. Lovely ball over the top from Clayton which finds Miller’s run perfectly. He volleys past Josh Vickers for his fourth goal in five games.
Such a well-timed run to meet the pass, which was excellent. Good start from the home side. Rotherham yet to get going.
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1-1
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They got going then!!
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It’s 1-1
A bit of confusion about whether the goal should stand. Rotherham went forward straight after the goal and forced a corner. Hakeem Odoffin met the delivery but there appeared to be a foul on a home defender before he headed the ball down into the goal.
Rovers’ protests ignored and we’re level.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-vs-rotherham-united-live-updates-3774383
COYR
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Thanks for the updates this is the only site available
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I'd agree it was a foul
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He wanted to sign for us, if we’ve messed this one up then it’s the club reverting to type. Let’s see he might have signed and been rested tonight.
Just can't help yourself can you?
Why not wait for the facts?? Free Press already said they'll try and get an update after the game.
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Younger is never will a right back he is the weakest link in the side. Tommy doing good at left back but we need a player for there so Tommy can play forward
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Hopefully Maxwell has just gone back up to Scotland to pack his things ready for his announcement tomorrow.
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Hopefully Maxwell has just gone back up to Scotland to pack his things ready for his announcement tomorrow.
Could be Ill or anything really just hope we haven’t lost out on him
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Must be HT by now!
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-vs-rotherham-united-live-updates-3774383
1-1. Very promising.
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HT 1-1
Donny playing well, Rotherham not doing so well. Their goal appears to be questionable, Its the performance of Donny for me and it was good in the first half. Looking forward to the second half.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-vs-rotherham-united-live-updates-3774383
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feel for younger when he is played at right back because he is awful, much better already than last year as a team thou
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He wanted to sign for us, if we’ve messed this one up then it’s the club reverting to type. Let’s see he might have signed and been rested tonight.
Just can't help yourself can you?
Why not wait for the facts?? Free Press already said they'll try and get an update after the game.
Who you speaking down to?, I will give whatever opinion I want. Wind your neck in.
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2 minutes ago
Back under way.
No changes
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He wanted to sign for us, if we’ve messed this one up then it’s the club reverting to type. Let’s see he might have signed and been rested tonight.
Just can't help yourself can you?
Why not wait for the facts?? Free Press already said they'll try and get an update after the game.
Who you speaking down to?, I will give whatever opinion I want. Wind your neck in.
Yes and I'm entitled to challenge that opinion.
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Doncaster catch Rotherham in possession in their own half and steal the ball quickly. Biggins finds Miller, who hesitates as he lines up a stike and before he knows it the ball is taken away from his feet.
A little bit sharper and that could have been 2-1.
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Tuesday, 19 July, 2022, 20:15
Ouch
Ollie Younger clatters Oliver Rathbone on the halfway line in a full-on challenge that draws applause from the home end, but both players are hurt.
Younger looks to be OK now but the Rotherham man is still down receiving treatment. It looked painful.
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2-1 Miller
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There is something very satisfying about having a player called Miller scoring twice against Rotherham :lol:
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GOAL - 2-1
Another excellent break finished by George Miller. Tomlin leads the attack and plays a lovely cross-field ball to Kyle Hurst, who pokes it into Miller’s path. The striker takes on touch and fires it past Josh Vickers and into the roof of the net.
Seems there is a difference of opinion on the goal
59' WHAT A FINISH! Rowe finds Miller in the box and he bends one with the outside of his right boot beyond Vickers. Unbelievable finish!
2-1 | #DONROT | #DRFC
First from Free Press second from DRFC
COYR
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I wonder why the trialist RB, who apparently played well on Saturday, isn't playing tonight.
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There is something very satisfying about having a player called Miller scoring twice against Rotherham :lol:
Nice touch Dutch
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Good news that Andrews is fit again on as a sub.
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Any idea who the ref is? Looks to have FIFA and Premier League badges on his shirt but been no better than the usual dross we get served up week after week.
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Any idea who the ref is? Looks to have FIFA and Premier League badges on his shirt but been no better than the usual dross we get served up week after week.
Andy Madley
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Miller is on fire so far in pre season. Looks to be a good understanding of his strengths.
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3 minutes ago
Charlie Seaman coming on
He replaces Younger at right-back.
Good display from Younger tonight.
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I wonder why the trialist RB, who apparently played well on Saturday, isn't playing tonight.
He's playing for Cheltenham tonight.
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GOAL - 2-2
The best bit of play we’ve seen from Rotherham all night results in the equaliser. Kioso gets the better of his man out wide and finds Kelly in the box, who finishes through Mitchell’s legs. Good goal. Rovers undone by a moment of quality from their Championship opponents.
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Well for Seaman Younger Griffiths and Agard are the weakest links in the side. Seaman or Younger are not Right backs
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Must be FT by now
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Apparently the Millers just missed a sitter. A cross from the left and a free header.
We need a RB, and I hope this Adam Long is solid at CB.
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Just one more thing I would like to see is Josh Andrews to score
"Two more Rovers subs
And they’re probably coming at the right time. Energy levels have understanably dropped in the last 10 minutes and Rotherham are getting on top.
Jack Degruchy and Liam Ravenhill are on for Kyle Hurst and Harrison Biggins. Good shift from both tonight.
‘Sign him up’ sing the South Stand as Hurst leaves the pitch"
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FT 2-2. Well done Rovers.
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2-2
Another goos shift for Rovers, who more than held their own against Championship opposition.
It might be pre-season but it’s worth remembering they’ve been leathered 5-0 and 6-0 by the same opposition in the last 12 months.
Even if Rotherham weren’t at their best, tonight was still an improvement.
4 minutes ago
MOTM
George Miller gets the award after his double. That’s five goals in five pre-season matches for him now.
Not bad at all, even if it is pre-season.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-vs-rotherham-united-live-updates-3774383
FT 2-2
Another goos shift for Rovers, who more than held their own against Championship opposition.
It might be pre-season but it’s worth remembering they’ve been leathered 5-0 and 6-0 by the same opposition in the last 12 months.
Even if Rotherham weren’t at their best, tonight was still an improvement.
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Well glad I made the last minute decision to go tonight, thoroughly enjoyed the game, thought we were good in and out of possession.
Hirst looks a cracking player, mollenux struggled to get into the game but unlucky not to score, tomlin signing must be a priority, his play tonight was different class. Miller’s finishes were next level too. Love his work rate and never got upset at balls over his head or miss placed, just got his head down and kept on working.
The defence…. To say there was no out and out full backs. Younger did ok…. If we really want to push on then we need a full back who’s going to chip in with more attacks and crosses/assists. Like I said, younger did ok, good at defending but lacked going forward, he is a CB after all.
Olowu and Williams did well, mopped everything up, olowu edged it out of both of them but good solid preformance from them both.
Rowe was just typical mr reliable and great work up and down.
Game lost its way when the inevitable subs came on and game kind of fizzled out.
If and it’s a big if, we can keep that core 11 fit, I see no reason why we can’t really have a go at automatics this season.
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couldn't go to this as we are away 8n Knaresborough for the week. Well done Rovers, sounds like we were on par with the Millers, by the report on here. Looking forward to seeing the new team, especially Miller. Proud of ya' all.
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Hope Maxwell is been offered a deal and really all trialists at this stage should be offered a deal or moved on.
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Rotherham were not at their last year levels that’s for sure, but we are far better than the last two seasons. On that type of performance they will not get 20 points in the Championship, and we look like we may have too much for league 2.
Their first should never have stood, two arms around the keeper, and fouling the defender- I’m still not sure how it was given. Bonkers.
Their second was good counter play from an Andrew’s mistake in trying to buy a foul.
Mitchell is falling into Gary Woods territory and getting involved with players during the corner - then forgetting that the corner has been taken.
Andrew’s is an absolute unit, this guy has a big future, even Rotherham’s big guns could not beat him, he won everything in the air, the last time we played them we never won one header.
The trialist on the wing was very good.
Last word for Miller though- a proper forward, works hard, gets in their faces, and could/ should have had 3. The second was an outside of the foot top bin, very very good.
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Good performance tonight but agree Rotherham didn't look great. Saying that there was some clear quality on our passing, miles better than last season. Miller made some great runs and got picked out a few times with some great through balls.
Tomlin and Hurst both decent, Tomlin had the better game and could see we lost our way a bit once he went off, would be offering them a contract from what I saw. Great finish with the outside of the boot for our second goal, but it did take a deflection to go past the keeper.
Younger did ok at RB but as mentioned in other posts he clearly isn't one.
Wasn't a massive amount of quality from Rotherham seemed to try and bully their way through the game.
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How was Hurst tonight? Strengths / weaknesses / style of play?
I only saw his brief cameo on Saturday where he looked quick and lively. Interested to hear how he got on from the start from those there tonight.
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Any idea who the ref is? Looks to have FIFA and Premier League badges on his shirt but been no better than the usual dross we get served up week after week.
Andy Madley
Sure it wasn’t him Dutch.
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Quick, tricky, strong for his size, and very confident. A very good player.
I think JM is the better player, and more versatile, but if he is not possible this lad will not disappoint us, and who knows if we have him long term, he may well turn out to be a better player than JM.
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Sounds like there were plenty of positives which is good to hear.
What was the starting formation?
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Sounds like there were plenty of positives which is good to hear.
What was the starting formation?
4411 according to the free press, same as how we started against Huddersfield
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Any idea who the ref is? Looks to have FIFA and Premier League badges on his shirt but been no better than the usual dross we get served up week after week.
Andy Madley
Sure it wasn’t him Dutch.
From the Free Press (of course they could easily be wrong):
Younger in the wars again
He collides with Peter Kioso so hard in a 50/5 it takes the latter’s headband off. Back on his feet now - and even gets and arm round the shoulder from referee Andy Madley!
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If we do get Hurst I wonder if the plan will be to play Rowe at left back behind him like today? Hurst sounds too good to be on the bench so we’ve a good selection problem in midfield if these players sign.
If we’re wanting to dominate games and attack teams maybe Rowe’s defensive abilities are out weighed by what he can do going forward from deep and in possession
Obviously rather we sign Maxwell but that ball might not be in our court.
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We were a good side tonight but where is the left back we don’t have a right back without Knoyle. Griffiths and Agard are a waste of time. So the club take so far then take it away. It’s not good enough.
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Calling Griffiths a "waste of time" at this stage is baffling to me.
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We were a good side tonight but where is the left back we don’t have a right back without Knoyle. Griffiths and Agard are a waste of time. So the club take so far then take it away. It’s not good enough.
What?
What’s not good enough?
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Very encouraging performance from us tonight.
Not sure why the criticism of Younger. He played well tonight.
Yes not a natural full back I would say but a capable one. He got stuck in and never shirked a challenge.
Pleased to report that Williams didn’t miss a header tonight nor did Olowu.
It did help that Smith is no longer at Rotherham.
Rowe and Clayton showed their class. Way too good for League 2 which bodes well for us. TR at left back and did well I but his talents are totally wasted in that position.
Biggins showed promise, works hard and can pass a ball, but not quite seen the box to box runs from him yet.
Molyneux looks very promising indeed. Think we will get plenty of assists and goals from him. Going to cause problems for opposing defences that’s certain.
Tomlin is a class player. Don’t think he is fully up to speed but some of his touches and passes are sublime.
Miller, whoever did their homework on him, all I can say is well done. You have found a gem. He has pace to burn, makes intelligent runs in behind defenders, works his socks off putting defenders under pressure, pressing.
Most of all though he is a goal scorer and by heck didn’t we need one of those.
Harris the lad from Birmingham has some serious ability. Got pace, got trickery, and good awareness. He can take his man on the inside or outside and leave him for dead. No brainier signing him from what I saw tonight.
Andrews came on late as sub for Miller and is work in progress I would suggest.
He will give us a different option up front.
Griffiths played wide right again when he came on as sub. Not his natural position. He still looks a bit heavy legged.
Agard didn’t get much game time and didn’t show much in that time.
So no Maxwell. Is that good new or bad news? Maybe he has had other offers and is binding his time. Maybe GM didn’t want to put him in the shop window.
Scouts hovering.
We will have to wait to know the answer. If we do miss out op it will be a pity as I think he looked very solid.
Anyway that was a very encouraging team performance tonight with some sparkling individual performances.
Rotherham will be back in league 1 next season based on that.
They were poor. Or was it us that made them look poor. Bit of both.
The encouraging thing is we were the better team for large proportions of the match and should have won the game.
Physically we matched them and gave as good as we got, in fact better.
How many free kicks did Rotherham concede? Loads so that shows how much trouble we caused them.
Their 1st goal was a foul, blatant foul at that. How they get away with what they do on corners is mind boggling. The refs really do need to get a grip.
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Mostly agree campsall. I enjoyed watching us tonight and we've the makings of a very good side I think. Mcsheffrey looked really comfortable as manager tonight too. Thought he seamt awkward once or twice last year but he looks much more settled and building his team.
Only pre season but signs we've moved forward.
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We were a good side tonight but where is the left back we don’t have a right back without Knoyle. Griffiths and Agard are a waste of time. So the club take so far then take it away. It’s not good enough.
What?
What’s not good enough?
The full backs are not good enough Tommy should not be playing there. Younger strong tackler but no idea how t play a good fullback role Seaman weak and is not a fullback. Griffiths and Agard two we wasted money on last season
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Calling Griffiths a "waste of time" at this stage is baffling to me.
Be baffled then Alias sorry I say what I have seen tonight defensively we were not as good as Saturday and even worst when Seaman was introduced. Attacking wise when Griffiths and Agard came on we were poor
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Well if Tomlin's not up to speed yet I can't wait for when he is. Head and shoulders best player on pitch,closely followed by Clayton and Rowe. Those 3 added to the likes of Molyneux,Miller,Biggins etc and for me we have a lot to look forwards to this season.
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Calling Griffiths a "waste of time" at this stage is baffling to me.
Be baffled then Alias sorry I say what I have seen tonight
Entitled to your opinion of course but I think its harsh Steve. He did okay last season when playing his first senior football and when he wasn't fully fit. He played only off the bench out wide tonight, hard to judge him on that even taking away the fact it was a pre-season game. Griffiths is 22 years old and has less than 20 league games to his name. Writing him off like you have there is unfair in my view.
We also won't be starting the season with no full-backs, despite playing without any tonight. Knoyle will be back in soon and we will sign a dedicated left-back.
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The truth of the matter is we havn’t a great deal if Miller gets injured! I look at the 4 we’ve got and Miller is head and shoulders above any of the other 3.
We need to wrap him in cotton wool.
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Get Maxwell, Tomlin & Harris and we are good to go.
When I say go I mean go back up to League 1
Yes we have the makings of a very good side.
The fitness improvement compared to last season is massive.
The work rate is there, which wasn’t last season.
The team work and understanding is coming together.
The physicality has improved out of all recognition compared to last season.
When we lose the ball we go and win it back.
The team spirit, desire and belief is all there for all to see.
Yes we haven’t kicked a ball in the League yet I know, but it’s stands out like a sore thumb that we have the makings of a team that are going to do us proud this season.
It is hard to believe that we were watching some of these same players last season performing to the standard they are now doing.
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Calling Griffiths a "waste of time" at this stage is baffling to me.
Be baffled then Alias sorry I say what I have seen tonight defensively we were not as good as Saturday and even worst when Seaman was introduced. Attacking wise when Griffiths and Agard came on we were poor
When they came on and played most of their mins after Biggins, Molyneux, Tomlin and Harris had gone off.
We were a bit disjointed in last 10/15 mins.
There is no way Steve you can right Griffiths or Agard off based on the time they got tonight or on Saturday.
Personally I think Agard would be better wide with Griffiths down the middle.
That I found somewhat baffling fron GM tonight and on Saturday.
Agard in fact played in the hole where Tomlin played.
Look it takes time for players to build an understanding with each other.
Some of them have not had much game time yet & have played only a limited no of mins with certain other individuals.
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We were a good side tonight but where is the left back we don’t have a right back without Knoyle. Griffiths and Agard are a waste of time. So the club take so far then take it away. It’s not good enough.
What?
What’s not good enough?
The full backs are not good enough Tommy should not be playing there. Younger strong tackler but no idea how t play a good fullback role Seaman weak and is not a fullback. Griffiths and Agard two we wasted money on last season
You do always do your best to search for the most negative viewpoint on any possible subject.
The signings we’ve made so far have been very good but you’ve never mentioned them, the results we’ve had the performances we’ve had have all been good but you’ve never mentioned them.
Always looking for something that youre not happy with
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And your verdict on the game/players tonight, Dickos?
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Sorry I have been saying Harris and his name is Hurst. :zzz:
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Get Maxwell, Tomlin & Harris and we are good to go.
When I say go I mean go back up to League 1
Yes we have the makings of a very good side.
The fitness improvement compared to last season is massive.
The work rate is there, which wasn’t last season.
The team work and understanding is coming together.
The physicality has improved out of all recognition compared to last season.
When we lose the ball we go and win it back.
The team spirit, desire and belief is all there for all to see.
Yes we haven’t kicked a ball in the League yet I know, but it’s stands out like a sore thumb that we have the makings of a team that are going to do us proud this season.
It is hard to believe that we were watching some of these same players last season performing to the standard they are now doing.
This sounds very positive, really wanted to go tonight but went on a wild goose chase to Seamer instead!
Good to hear that the side look to be a lot fitter than this time last year, if we build on this now it will stand us in good stead later in the season.
Just need some good news on the full backs front to finish it off.
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We were a good side tonight but where is the left back we don’t have a right back without Knoyle. Griffiths and Agard are a waste of time. So the club take so far then take it away. It’s not good enough.
What?
What’s not good enough?
The full backs are not good enough Tommy should not be playing there. Younger strong tackler but no idea how t play a good fullback role Seaman weak and is not a fullback. Griffiths and Agard two we wasted money on last season
You do always do your best to search for the most negative viewpoint on any possible subject.
The signings we’ve made so far have been very good but you’ve never mentioned them, the results we’ve had the performances we’ve had have all been good but you’ve never mentioned them.
Always looking for something that youre not happy with
That’s the most disappointing thing we are close to having a better side but having gone all preseason with no left back we are still in that position. The signings are an improvement. Until Knoyle is fit we haven’t got a RB. Did you go tonight and see the performance which was good in most parts or have a dig from afar
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Good performance last night we should have won by at least a couple of goals, their keeper pulled off a worldie to prevent Tomlin and then did well to keep out Molyneux.
Full backs still the weak link both Tommy and Younger seem to go too narrow and Seaman (although he’d just come on TBF) should have dealt with the ball easily that resulted in their goal
Overall it’s been a good preseason so far and there seems a bit of a buzz around the place
I also agree with the comment about GMC he’s grown into that job, got a good team behind him and Copps too
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We were a good side tonight but where is the left back we don’t have a right back without Knoyle. Griffiths and Agard are a waste of time. So the club take so far then take it away. It’s not good enough.
What?
What’s not good enough?
The full backs are not good enough Tommy should not be playing there. Younger strong tackler but no idea how t play a good fullback role Seaman weak and is not a fullback. Griffiths and Agard two we wasted money on last season
You do always do your best to search for the most negative viewpoint on any possible subject.
The signings we’ve made so far have been very good but you’ve never mentioned them, the results we’ve had the performances we’ve had have all been good but you’ve never mentioned them.
Always looking for something that youre not happy with
That’s the most disappointing thing we are close to having a better side but having gone all preseason with no left back we are still in that position. The signings are an improvement. Until Knoyle is fit we haven’t got a RB. Did you go tonight and see the performance which was good in most parts or have a dig from afar
We’re not close to having a better team than last season, it’s a fact that we have a better team now than last season.
My dig had nothing to do with the teams performance last night, it’s more to do with over the top negativity when we’re having a really good pre season
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Just a note Ayo appears to have dislocated his shoulder/collar bone last night playing for Cheltenham he was having another good game according to their supporters
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Dickos wasn’t comparing to last season I was comparing to the better sides we’ve had. But without good fullbacks we will not see the best from this side.
We also need to ensure we sign the Trialists that have played Maxwell Hurst and Tomlin as they have contributed to the good preseason.
Before we all get carried away Bradford our first game beat Sunderland last night 2. 0
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We should only be comparing to last season, what would be the point in comparing to a side 10 years ago.
Knoyle starts back training tomorrow so don’t see the need in another right back,
Left back is important but I’ve every confidence we will have one in, whether it’s maxwell or not who knows
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Enjoyed the game last night.
Mitchell will suffice in league 2. Need to be mindful of corners right down his gullet. He's not big or strong enough to deal with them.
The fact Ro & Joe played 90 minutes for me suggests they'll be our pairing for the season. Plenty of talking from Ro which was good.
I hope Maxwell has gone north of the border to say ta-ra to his family before signing for us.
Seaman isn't a right back.
I hope Tomlin signs. Him and Clayton link up well. Playing some lovely stuff.
Hurst is worth signing.
George Miller top goal scorer at 33/1 is worth a few quid of anyone's money.
Richard Wood wasn't good enough for the Championship 5 years ago, never mind now. Shame for them but we'll be reunited next season. Just saw an interview with Warne stating that they had everything in place for a player coming in but were gazumped right at the last by a league 1 team.
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Skybet have Agard on the same odds as Miller for top scorer!
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If Rotherham think they’re poor:
“Sheffield United boss Paul Heckingbottom provides a transfer update after their 3-0 friendly defeat at Mansfield. “
Puts our pre-season into perspective. We have to be ready - this season is going to be difficult.
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Bradford beat Sunderland 2-0 last night as well
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Despite making some good signings I’ve been worried about the upcoming season due to a lack of faith in McCsheffrey.
After watching last night I think we could do ok, we played the ball on the floor and we looked like we had an actual game plan.
I noticed last night that Gary Mac has brought in quite a number of back room staff who all looked very hands on. This can only help him and the players.
Has anyone seen the video of the Spurs players doing lengths after the game? The staff last night had most of the players doing lengths before the game had even started and most of them looked wiped before the game had started! Fitness should be no issue this year.
Bring on Bradford!
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Bradford beat Sunderland 2-0 last night as well
We beat Huddersfield don't forget
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GMC talks about the positivity from last night he’s right I felt there was same as Huddersfield game. Yet two players from the starting lineup were not ours yet last that wants sorting. GMC and Copps need to make sure we sign Maxwell as we have no left back.
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That game last night was a massive visual turn around in the prospects of the two clubs, Rotherham are a shadow of the team they were at this juncture last season,nowhere near as powerful or fast as they were last season, and we are a different kettle of fish altogether, more savvy, athletic, skillful, and unrecognisable in the striker department, who actually move and make runs, and win the odd ariel battle.
It will not be easy, but I think we have the makings of a good side who are capable of scoring goals and will do alright, a top half team who could well push for promotion.
Rotherham I can only see struggling at the bottom end of the Championship, the interest only being will they retain their manager this time out, and who would be willing to pick up the reigns if he did go.
If they do go down again it will be a lot harder to resurrect another promotion push for them the next time in Division1.
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That game last night was a massive visual turn around in the prospects of the two clubs, Rotherham are a shadow of the team they were at this juncture last season,nowhere near as powerful or fast as they were last season, and we are a different kettle of fish altogether, more savvy, athletic, skillful, and unrecognisable in the striker department, who actually move and make runs, and win the odd ariel battle.
It will not be easy, but I think we have the makings of a good side who are capable of scoring goals and will do alright, a top half team who could well push for promotion.
Rotherham I can only see struggling at the bottom end of the Championship, the interest only being will they retain their manager this time out, and who would be willing to pick up the reigns if he did go.
If they do go down again it will be a lot harder to resurrect another promotion push for them the next time in Division1.
Crikey Selby, all that from a pre season friendly, played for 75 mins (watch never stopped throughout including drink breaks and injuries) and in record breaking heat. Not to mention with Donny fielding 3 (was it 4?) Trialists and the Millers missing Eaves, Ferguson, Bramall, McCart and Warne stating that the club will bring in 4, probably 5 new additions before the window closes 31 Aug.
You've got one heck of an insightful brain buddy. Either that, or you've just written what you WANT to happen.
Ps, it is still July and you've already got us down as playing each other again next season! You may be surprised how this season pans out. Who knows. Certainly not me.
Pps, as lethargic as we were last night, we didnt lose. And, like you, havent all pre season.
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Fair enough comment, pre season friendlies tell you nothing about the season, vey often what happens is what the team coaches agree to let happen in the game.
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Grumps, I wouldn't be surprised if they get relegated with near the lowest number of points accumulated in a championship season.
The standard of play in the Championship is above what it was the last time you played at that level just the other season, and your side is not as good as that side was, you cannot compete at that level with the other clubs financially, and your best players have left the club to carry on a career in division 1 where they are comfortable at that level.
Last season we were completely out played and embarrassed at the gulf between the two teams and the players that have departed your club mean it is no longer the same team, last night we looked sharper and more skillful for long periods of the game, and also matched your physicality, plus your game plan seems to be exactly the same, with lesser players in vital positions now they have gone.
What did you see, or hope to see that I didn't, as for us meeting again next season promotion for us is the more outside chance than your relegation I will admit that, but on that showing you are in for a long hard season.
That's what I think, after watching the game last night, whats your real thoughts? not what you are hoping for.
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Its not about the results, its about performance - we are as short as you Grumps, with both signings and injuries.
Listen to your managers interview, he is as down as you will find a manager in pre season, there is no glimmer of light in the picture he paints. You are way off any form, you looked mid table league 1 standard. Last season you were very good and I would have thought had more than a good chance of survival in the level above.
Warne is only hopeful of two players before the season starts, and if you have long term injuries like we had/have, I think you will be in for a very miserable season, albeit at a much higher level than us.
Good luck for the season ahead.
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But hey, they got there and deserve the right to compete. Better to have low expectations and surprise people.
That's exactly what we did and they might make it stick this time. Of course you need a bit of luck, particularly with injuries.
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you will all be pleased to know (perhaps not ) that i have with the above match imminent finally
crossed the "t"'s and dotted the "i"'s on the will Rotherham implode thread
Naturally i have no idea about Saturdays (i meant the Rotherham match :facepalm: )match after both teams have made "Clapham Junction" style changes
but their "land of the giants theme" as in tall stories remains :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=284248.0
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They will not get goals like their first one last night in the championship, in fact they like us when we got up are more than likely to be treated rather shoddily when it comes to getting decisions against the bigger clubs in that division.
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Dickos wasn’t comparing to last season I was comparing to the better sides we’ve had. But without good fullbacks we will not see the best from this side.
We also need to ensure we sign the Trialists that have played Maxwell Hurst and Tomlin as they have contributed to the good preseason.
Before we all get carried away Bradford our first game beat Sunderland last night 2. 0
That means very little.
So if we lose to Bradford in the 1st game does that mean we are not good enough to get promotion?
There will be another 45 games to play. It’s how many points we get over 46 games that counts.
Bradford will be strong this season and I will not be concerned if we get beaten. If we lose by 3 or more then that won’t be great obviously.
Any way having said that there is absolutely no reason why we can’t go there and win. :)
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They will not get goals like their first one last night in the championship, in fact they like us when we got up are more than likely to be treated rather shoddily when it comes to getting decisions against the bigger clubs in that division.
Selby i wondered what you were on about when i read your post i didn't even realise the match had been played :suicide:
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Was their second off side?
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Mitchell was held arms round him then shoved to the floor leaving the goal scorer with free header. Ref and linesman did nothing
Looking at the video the centre forward in the middle looks to be off side but hard to tell with camera on centre line
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Mitchell was held arms round him then shoved to the floor leaving the goal scorer with free header. Ref and linesman did nothing
Looking at the video the centre forward in the middle looks to be off side but hard to tell with camera on centre line
Yep, just seen it. Had he blocked using shoulder then debatable but to forceably restrain the keeper with your hands is against the rules.
Couple of well worked and well taken goals there and should have been more really judging by that.
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They will not get goals like their first one last night in the championship, in fact they like us when we got up are more than likely to be treated rather shoddily when it comes to getting decisions against the bigger clubs in that division.
Not sure how you’ve come to so many conclusions about a team through just one, half baked friendly. They very much well might go down, but each season they’ve been up there, which is a lot more than us in recent seasons I might add, they’ve fought valiantly.
Bit of a daft assessment of them really, given the gulf that now exists between us and them
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Grumps, I wouldn't be surprised if they get relegated with near the lowest number of points accumulated in a championship season.
The standard of play in the Championship is above what it was the last time you played at that level just the other season, and your side is not as good as that side was, you cannot compete at that level with the other clubs financially, and your best players have left the club to carry on a career in division 1 where they are comfortable at that level.
Last season we were completely out played and embarrassed at the gulf between the two teams and the players that have departed your club mean it is no longer the same team, last night we looked sharper and more skillful for long periods of the game, and also matched your physicality, plus your game plan seems to be exactly the same, with lesser players in vital positions now they have gone.
What did you see, or hope to see that I didn't, as for us meeting again next season promotion for us is the more outside chance than your relegation I will admit that, but on that showing you are in for a long hard season.
That's what I think, after watching the game last night, whats your real thoughts? not what you are hoping for.
Having witnessed the lowest ever Championship points total (yes we hold that accolade - thanks Alan Stubbs) I can guarantee you that this squad, and this manager and coaching unit, are light years ahead of that one, so I'd be gob smacked if that were to happen (touch wood).
Our biggest strength is far and away the midfield: Dan Barlaser, Ben Wiles, Ollie Rathbone, Jamie Lindsay, Chieo Ogbene and Shane Ferguson are ridiculously good footballers. The fact that wasn't evident last night in a pre season friendly doesn't alter that fact. You cannot seriously believe that Ogbene plays like that week in, week out? Rathbone looked ill (he may actually be), but Wiles and Barlaser were just coasting through the game and looked for all the world like they didn't want to get injured. Only Jamie Lindsay put a shift in. In fact I think the game changed significantly when he and Washington (who, whilst not being an out and out goal scorer is a very good player).
The biggest issue last night was that Georgie Kelly was asked, in the absence of any alternative, to "lead the line". Despite his physical appearance this is absolutely the last thing he is capable of doing. He's a goal poacher (he scored) who comes alive in the box. Outside the box and in general play he's way off it. He'll openly admit that. If you'll forgive a Millers comparison he's much more Adam Le Fondre than he is Alan Lee. Despite having the physical attributes of Lee.
As stated, look how different it looked when Washington (half the size of Kelly) came on and suddenly the ball was sticking up top.
Tom Eaves will be the focal point, with Washington, Kelly plus A N Other playing off him.
I remember years ago we gave Everton the run around in a pre season fixture at Millmoor. It was before the Premier League, so in those days the top flight clubs would send their first team squad. We gave them a footballing lesson. I was as giddy as a kipper for the up coming season. We got relegated!
It's absolute folly to make predictions based upon a pre season friendly. Sheff Utd lost last night to League 2 opposition and I'll be amazed if they don't make the play offs.
I've no axe to grind with Donny. None at all beyond that of being a local rival. I worked there for a couple of years in the mid 90s (Colonnades, Duke Street). I made many great friends (still remain friends). But, as a result of that job I became aware that some Donny fans absolutely despise us (I never knew that before, and it really isn't reciprocated - all our hate is towards SWFC). Even some lads who became genuine friends would/do tell me that they hate the club I support.
So, let's see what the respective squads are on 1st September and take it from there. Better still let's hope we meet in the FA Cup 3rd round and then we can have a proper match :-)
My gut feeling, and obviously my hope, is that we won't be playing each other in 23/24. I'd have no issue with Donny going up, but it's time we made a fist of establishing in the Champ. We shall see.
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Grumps, I wouldn't be surprised if they get relegated with near the lowest number of points accumulated in a championship season.
The standard of play in the Championship is above what it was the last time you played at that level just the other season, and your side is not as good as that side was, you cannot compete at that level with the other clubs financially, and your best players have left the club to carry on a career in division 1 where they are comfortable at that level.
Last season we were completely out played and embarrassed at the gulf between the two teams and the players that have departed your club mean it is no longer the same team, last night we looked sharper and more skillful for long periods of the game, and also matched your physicality, plus your game plan seems to be exactly the same, with lesser players in vital positions now they have gone.
What did you see, or hope to see that I didn't, as for us meeting again next season promotion for us is the more outside chance than your relegation I will admit that, but on that showing you are in for a long hard season.
That's what I think, after watching the game last night, whats your real thoughts? not what you are hoping for.
Having witnessed the lowest ever Championship points total (yes we hold that accolade - thanks Alan Stubbs) I can guarantee you that this squad, and this manager and coaching unit, are light years ahead of that one, so I'd be gob smacked if that were to happen (touch wood).
Our biggest strength is far and away the midfield: Dan Barlaser, Ben Wiles, Ollie Rathbone, Jamie Lindsay, Chieo Ogbene and Shane Ferguson are ridiculously good footballers. The fact that wasn't evident last night in a pre season friendly doesn't alter that fact. You cannot seriously believe that Ogbene plays like that week in, week out? Rathbone looked ill (he may actually be), but Wiles and Barlaser were just coasting through the game and looked for all the world like they didn't want to get injured. Only Jamie Lindsay put a shift in. In fact I think the game changed significantly when he and Washington (who, whilst not being an out and out goal scorer is a very good player).
The biggest issue last night was that Georgie Kelly was asked, in the absence of any alternative, to "lead the line". Despite his physical appearance this is absolutely the last thing he is capable of doing. He's a goal poacher (he scored) who comes alive in the box. Outside the box and in general play he's way off it. He'll openly admit that. If you'll forgive a Millers comparison he's much more Adam Le Fondre than he is Alan Lee. Despite having the physical attributes of Lee.
As stated, look how different it looked when Washington (half the size of Kelly) came on and suddenly the ball was sticking up top.
Tom Eaves will be the focal point, with Washington, Kelly plus A N Other playing off him.
I remember years ago we gave Everton the run around in a pre season fixture at Millmoor. It was before the Premier League, so in those days the top flight clubs would send their first team squad. We gave them a footballing lesson. I was as giddy as a kipper for the up coming season. We got relegated!
It's absolute folly to make predictions based upon a pre season friendly. Sheff Utd lost last night to League 2 opposition and I'll be amazed if they don't make the play offs.
I've no axe to grind with Donny. None at all beyond that of being a local rival. I worked there for a couple of years in the mid 90s (Colonnades, Duke Street). I made many great friends (still remain friends). But, as a result of that job I became aware that some Donny fans absolutely despise us (I never knew that before, and it really isn't reciprocated - all our hate is towards SWFC). Even some lads who became genuine friends would/do tell me that they hate the club I support.
So, let's see what the respective squads are on 1st September and take it from there. Better still let's hope we meet in the FA Cup 3rd round and then we can have a proper match :-)
My gut feeling, and obviously my hope, is that we won't be playing each other in 23/24. I'd have no issue with Donny going up, but it's time we made a fist of establishing in the Champ. We shall see.
Very fair and well written post, Grumps.
Good luck for next season.
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Any idea who the ref is? Looks to have FIFA and Premier League badges on his shirt but been no better than the usual dross we get served up week after week.
Andy Madley
Sure it wasn’t him Dutch.
Are you thinking of his brother, Bobby Madley, Camps? He's refereed us before.
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Grumps, I wouldn't be surprised if they get relegated with near the lowest number of points accumulated in a championship season.
The standard of play in the Championship is above what it was the last time you played at that level just the other season, and your side is not as good as that side was, you cannot compete at that level with the other clubs financially, and your best players have left the club to carry on a career in division 1 where they are comfortable at that level.
Last season we were completely out played and embarrassed at the gulf between the two teams and the players that have departed your club mean it is no longer the same team, last night we looked sharper and more skillful for long periods of the game, and also matched your physicality, plus your game plan seems to be exactly the same, with lesser players in vital positions now they have gone.
What did you see, or hope to see that I didn't, as for us meeting again next season promotion for us is the more outside chance than your relegation I will admit that, but on that showing you are in for a long hard season.
That's what I think, after watching the game last night, whats your real thoughts? not what you are hoping for.
Having witnessed the lowest ever Championship points total (yes we hold that accolade - thanks Alan Stubbs) I can guarantee you that this squad, and this manager and coaching unit, are light years ahead of that one, so I'd be gob smacked if that were to happen (touch wood).
Our biggest strength is far and away the midfield: Dan Barlaser, Ben Wiles, Ollie Rathbone, Jamie Lindsay, Chieo Ogbene and Shane Ferguson are ridiculously good footballers. The fact that wasn't evident last night in a pre season friendly doesn't alter that fact. You cannot seriously believe that Ogbene plays like that week in, week out? Rathbone looked ill (he may actually be), but Wiles and Barlaser were just coasting through the game and looked for all the world like they didn't want to get injured. Only Jamie Lindsay put a shift in. In fact I think the game changed significantly when he and Washington (who, whilst not being an out and out goal scorer is a very good player).
The biggest issue last night was that Georgie Kelly was asked, in the absence of any alternative, to "lead the line". Despite his physical appearance this is absolutely the last thing he is capable of doing. He's a goal poacher (he scored) who comes alive in the box. Outside the box and in general play he's way off it. He'll openly admit that. If you'll forgive a Millers comparison he's much more Adam Le Fondre than he is Alan Lee. Despite having the physical attributes of Lee.
As stated, look how different it looked when Washington (half the size of Kelly) came on and suddenly the ball was sticking up top.
Tom Eaves will be the focal point, with Washington, Kelly plus A N Other playing off him.
I remember years ago we gave Everton the run around in a pre season fixture at Millmoor. It was before the Premier League, so in those days the top flight clubs would send their first team squad. We gave them a footballing lesson. I was as giddy as a kipper for the up coming season. We got relegated!
It's absolute folly to make predictions based upon a pre season friendly. Sheff Utd lost last night to League 2 opposition and I'll be amazed if they don't make the play offs.
I've no axe to grind with Donny. None at all beyond that of being a local rival. I worked there for a couple of years in the mid 90s (Colonnades, Duke Street). I made many great friends (still remain friends). But, as a result of that job I became aware that some Donny fans absolutely despise us (I never knew that before, and it really isn't reciprocated - all our hate is towards SWFC). Even some lads who became genuine friends would/do tell me that they hate the club I support.
So, let's see what the respective squads are on 1st September and take it from there. Better still let's hope we meet in the FA Cup 3rd round and then we can have a proper match :-)
My gut feeling, and obviously my hope, is that we won't be playing each other in 23/24. I'd have no issue with Donny going up, but it's time we made a fist of establishing in the Champ. We shall see.
Very fair and well written post, Grumps.
Good luck for next season.
Very kind of you Steve. Thank you, and likewise mate. :)
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Rotherham will be the favourites for relegation,but good luck to them , nothing is decided in pre season friendlies.