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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Lytham Rover on July 21, 2022, 05:19:27 pm
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:thumbsup:
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Great signing
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Currently cannot see anything to say we have, would be good if we have
COYR
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You tube 2 year deal brilliant window this one
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https://youtu.be/pjr3TMj1FkM
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Currently cannot see anything to say we have, would be good if we have
COYR
https://youtu.be/pjr3TMj1FkM
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Great news
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I remember a time when this thread would have been a picture of a sign with 'Maxwell' written on it.
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Excellent news. Not sure if I just heard a rumble of thunder or if it was a shift in the atmospheric pressure from Alan Southstand and Steve@DCFD ;-)
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Have Rovers accidentally announced this? Normally on Twitter, etc too. :laugh:
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I remember a time when this thread would have been a picture of a sign with 'Maxwell' written on it.
I was fully expecting this myself.
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I think they’ve gone a bit too early but who cares, can’t see us being far away come the end of the season now
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Again brilliant bit of business by the board and management team well done
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Just think of all the wasted angst over the last week or so by some of our posters.
Well done to the board and all staff involved in this signing. A big hole in the team filled there I think.
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Brulliant news, welcome James, and enjoy your wee stay here. :thumbsup: :scarf:
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Follow up with tomlin please!! Happy we have our LB, hope he kicks on and makes the name for his self he wants to do!
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Genuinely buzzing for the start of the season
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Can anyone open the link? Says ‘this video is private’ when I click on it.
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I remember a time when this thread would have been a picture of a sign with 'Maxwell' written on it.
I was fully expecting this myself.
I'm hoping someone starts a duplicate thread. I've got a job lot of 'Sheff Utd lose appeal' to get rid of.
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Panic over,
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Excellent news. Not sure if I just heard a rumble of thunder or if it was a shift in the atmospheric pressure from Alan Southstand and Steve@DCFD ;-)
Is this real you have dig John I’d say I wanted him to sign but I’m not sure if it real video
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Hoden has posted false start lol
Thankfully I watched the interview whilst it was there
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Excellent news. Not sure if I just heard a rumble of thunder or if it was a shift in the atmospheric pressure from Alan Southstand and Steve@DCFD ;-)
Is this real you have dig John I’d say I wanted him to sign but I’m not sure if it real video
I watched also Robbie did the interview.
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Doh. Didn't think they would announce two good news stories in one day. The away kit then.....
Maybe more to come tomorrow?
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Does it come across as greedy if I’m hoping for a hat trick of positivity
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His mum's a leeds fan he says :turd:
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I bet there holding back if it’s been done for GMC to announce on his Radio Sheffield interview between 6 and 7 but we’ll done to all concerned as happened to more Attacking midfield players now and I’m not bother who they are
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Doh. Didn't think they would announce two good news stories in one day. The away kit then.....
Maybe more to come tomorrow?
You’ll probably know it’s like this site knowledge is power keep the others in the dark until we tell them.
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His mum's a leeds fan he says :turd:
We can forgive him that lol
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That rumble of thunder you heard, Jon, was more to do with wind!
At last we have a left back - once confirmed.
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One down, two to go?
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What's happening with Hurst?
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Doh. Didn't think they would announce two good news stories in one day. The away kit then.....
Maybe more to come tomorrow?
You’ll probably know it’s like this site knowledge is power keep the others in the dark until we tell them.
I don't know much but I do know they like to toy with us from time to time.
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Confirmed on FB page
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Well done to all concerned now it’s official
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Excellent news. Not sure if I just heard a rumble of thunder or if it was a shift in the atmospheric pressure from Alan Southstand and Steve@DCFD ;-)
Is this real you have dig John I’d say I wanted him to sign but I’m not sure if it real video
Come on Steve you know me better than that I’m having a joke! Got a lot of time for you and Alan even though we don’t always agree.
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Excellent news. Not sure if I just heard a rumble of thunder or if it was a shift in the atmospheric pressure from Alan Southstand and Steve@DCFD ;-)
Is this real you have dig John I’d say I wanted him to sign but I’m not sure if it real video
Come on Steve you know me better than that I’m having a joke! Got a lot of time for you and Alan even though we don’t always agree.
I know that that’s why liked your post
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I believe the other two have signed or very near listen to GMC but they don’t want it to come out.
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Thank god we have a left back
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I believe the other two have signed or very near listen to GMC but they don’t want it to come out.
What was said? I won’t get the chance to listen back til later
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He said he was reasonably confident, but it sounded like we have reached our limit of what we will offer. They expect an answer pretty quick, or we move on.
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Said they’ve offered a deal to Tomlin and will adapt his training so he can enjoy his time and his family, apparently he could earn £500+ more but he’d be expected to play every minute and be training full time
Hurst we’ve been talking to his representatives and Birmingham
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We should all spare a thought for Since1969, this is tragig news for him, given there will be a fee involved
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Amazing!
Look forward to seeing him and Knoyle bombing forwards.
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Buzzing. Thought it looked like the chance had gone but he sounds like he wanted to be here from the off which is a good look.
Genuinely we aren't far off now. Probably only just the winger Hurst and then Tomlin as a bonus and we're done imo. We can't expect to have the depth of a Prem side and maintain a decent quality at this level.
Also a big plus for me is lack of loanees. The one we have looks like we'd have a chance of keeping and if Hurst is a loan you'd say the same about him. The last few years have given me loan fatigue. A positive about lack of loans also is that should we need to we have plenty of spaces for loans in Jan if we're in an emergency. Better than having 5 places taken already
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Said they’ve offered a deal to Tomlin and will adapt his training so he can enjoy his time and his family, apparently he could earn £500+ more but he’d be expected to play every minute and be training full time
Hurst we’ve been talking to his representatives and Birmingham
Read that about Tomlin. Not sure how i feel about it. Fair enough older players have different training routines (i'm sure copps would have) but i expect them all to run their b*llocks off. Don't like the idea of too much special treatment. Up to Tomlin to make himself worth the special treatment though
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Fantastic news, welcome James, sounds like you've got a lot of admirer's on here, before you've kicked a ball in anger.
We all look forward to seeing you develop into our next million £ + player. Enjoy your time with us.
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Great news, the away shirt has obviously swung it for him.
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Said they’ve offered a deal to Tomlin and will adapt his training so he can enjoy his time and his family, apparently he could earn £500+ more but he’d be expected to play every minute and be training full time
Hurst we’ve been talking to his representatives and Birmingham
Read that about Tomlin. Not sure how i feel about it. Fair enough older players have different training routines (i'm sure copps would have) but i expect them all to run their b*llocks off. Don't like the idea of too much special treatment. Up to Tomlin to make himself worth the special treatment though
Exactly right. Other players will soon lose that respect if he doesn't produce. Sounds like they've already integrated him and he's been giving enough to maintain that respect.
As said, I'm sure Copps only knows too well how that dynamic should work.
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I remember a time when this thread would have been a picture of a sign with 'Maxwell' written on it.
Couldn't be arsed to do that!
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The next Andy Robertson!
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We’ve had some great Scot defenders. Dougie, Sutherland, Nicol, Quinn. Maybe not Gary MacKenzie.
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Said they’ve offered a deal to Tomlin and will adapt his training so he can enjoy his time and his family, apparently he could earn £500+ more but he’d be expected to play every minute and be training full time
Hurst we’ve been talking to his representatives and Birmingham
Read that about Tomlin. Not sure how i feel about it. Fair enough older players have different training routines (i'm sure copps would have) but i expect them all to run their b*llocks off. Don't like the idea of too much special treatment. Up to Tomlin to make himself worth the special treatment though
Exactly right. Other players will soon lose that respect if he doesn't produce. Sounds like they've already integrated him and he's been giving enough to maintain that respect.
As said, I'm sure Copps only knows too well how that dynamic should work.
Didn’t Copps have tailored training programmes in his later years too? I think it’s a sensible and fairly common practice. I don’t think Copps was ever resented for it, and it enabled him to perform at his best. If we can get the best from Tomlin (and I accept it’s a big if - there’s always risk) then we would have a player that’s one of the most dangerous in the division.
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Said they’ve offered a deal to Tomlin and will adapt his training so he can enjoy his time and his family, apparently he could earn £500+ more but he’d be expected to play every minute and be training full time
Hurst we’ve been talking to his representatives and Birmingham
Read that about Tomlin. Not sure how i feel about it. Fair enough older players have different training routines (i'm sure copps would have) but i expect them all to run their b*llocks off. Don't like the idea of too much special treatment. Up to Tomlin to make himself worth the special treatment though
Exactly right. Other players will soon lose that respect if he doesn't produce. Sounds like they've already integrated him and he's been giving enough to maintain that respect.
As said, I'm sure Copps only knows too well how that dynamic should work.
Didn’t Copps have tailored training programmes in his later years too? I think it’s a sensible and fairly common practice. I don’t think Copps was ever resented for it, and it enabled him to perform at his best. If we can get the best from Tomlin (and I accept it’s a big if - there’s always risk) then we would have a player that’s one of the most dangerous in the division.
It's more the comment about covering every blade of grass for me. If Tomlin has a different routine it should be so he can cover every blade of grass. This just sounds a bit like we'll pay you less but it's an easy life sell.
Won't be a problem if we're winning games but if we start losing and Tomlin doesn't have to work as hard it'll alienate other players. Clayton and Rowe are a similar age. Why should they cover every blade of grass if Tomlin doesn't have to.
I know i'm reading way too much into it and i really hope we get him. Just hope it's managed well because he has the ability to be the best player in the division. Also think we're well stocked enough up to with up front to take a risk on Tomlin.
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I don't want Tomlin to cover every blade of grass, why would he? It isn't his style to bust a gut every game and we wouldn't need him to in the role he'd play.
I'm not sure we should sign him, but that's a different debate.
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The young trialist who played against Wakefield wore 14 is surely a probable too.I believe he was a youth teamed but badly injured so was not offered a pro contract end of season .
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Said they’ve offered a deal to Tomlin and will adapt his training so he can enjoy his time and his family, apparently he could earn £500+ more but he’d be expected to play every minute and be training full time
Hurst we’ve been talking to his representatives and Birmingham
Read that about Tomlin. Not sure how i feel about it. Fair enough older players have different training routines (i'm sure copps would have) but i expect them all to run their b*llocks off. Don't like the idea of too much special treatment. Up to Tomlin to make himself worth the special treatment though
Exactly right. Other players will soon lose that respect if he doesn't produce. Sounds like they've already integrated him and he's been giving enough to maintain that respect.
As said, I'm sure Copps only knows too well how that dynamic should work.
Didn’t Copps have tailored training programmes in his later years too? I think it’s a sensible and fairly common practice. I don’t think Copps was ever resented for it, and it enabled him to perform at his best. If we can get the best from Tomlin (and I accept it’s a big if - there’s always risk) then we would have a player that’s one of the most dangerous in the division.
It's more the comment about covering every blade of grass for me. If Tomlin has a different routine it should be so he can cover every blade of grass. This just sounds a bit like we'll pay you less but it's an easy life sell.
Won't be a problem if we're winning games but if we start losing and Tomlin doesn't have to work as hard it'll alienate other players. Clayton and Rowe are a similar age. Why should they cover every blade of grass if Tomlin doesn't have to.
I know i'm reading way too much into it and i really hope we get him. Just hope it's managed well because he has the ability to be the best player in the division. Also think we're well stocked enough up to with up front to take a risk on Tomlin.
Yes that's the risk. As I said about him before, he's one of those players who can give us that extra ingredient, just as Copps did. Potential to be a crowd favourite but also a risk it could go the other way as you say.
Yesterday when I heard McSheffrey, when asked about the chances of Tomlin signing, he blew his lips which I Interpreted as 50/50. Today, in that RS interview, I got the impression it's more 75/25 in our favour.
On Maxwell, I do like a bit of Scottish tenacity. We've done well there and as all the new signings have said, the way we've gone about things has impressed them.
Smell the Coffee. Maxwell is in the House!!
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If the four long term injured were back any time soon, there is no need to sign anyone else permanently. It’s a big squad we have with lots of senior players. Given what McSheffrey said about timelines for return, I’d be tempted to close the books now. We’re well covered everywhere already if people are back fit.
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I don't want Tomlin to cover every blade of grass, why would he? It isn't his style to bust a gut every game and we wouldn't need him to in the role he'd play.
I'm not sure we should sign him, but that's a different debate.
Your right at L2 maybe we get away with that so long as he makes a difference going forward. But modern football is getting so much better. Teams can't afford to carry players not working off the ball. You see it at the top level and it's the same the further down you go to a lesser and lesser extent.
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The young trialist who played against Wakefield wore 14 is surely a probable too.I believe he was a youth teamed but badly injured so was not offered a pro contract end of season .
Tavonga Kuleya - if he signs he will I would imagine go out on loan for his development. Looked to have very quick feet but raw, he was one that was making up the numbers last season
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Very good signing. One with a lot of potential to improve. I’m glad he decided he wanted to join us.
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If the four long term injured were back any time soon, there is no need to sign anyone else permanently. It’s a big squad we have with lots of senior players. Given what McSheffrey said about timelines for return, I’d be tempted to close the books now. We’re well covered everywhere already if people are back fit.
That if is too big in my opinion. It’s a tough start to the season and we’re not quite there in terms of quality, yet.
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Worth mentioning about the better news on Anderson, Taylor and Knoyle. With Close it’s a little more tricky but he is making progress, GM saying he’s (Close) getting frustrated with it, but he is improving (2 steps forward, 1 back = +1).
Much better news………….and breathe!
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Said they’ve offered a deal to Tomlin and will adapt his training so he can enjoy his time and his family, apparently he could earn £500+ more but he’d be expected to play every minute and be training full time
Hurst we’ve been talking to his representatives and Birmingham
Read that about Tomlin. Not sure how i feel about it. Fair enough older players have different training routines (i'm sure copps would have) but i expect them all to run their b*llocks off. Don't like the idea of too much special treatment. Up to Tomlin to make himself worth the special treatment though
Exactly right. Other players will soon lose that respect if he doesn't produce. Sounds like they've already integrated him and he's been giving enough to maintain that respect.
As said, I'm sure Copps only knows too well how that dynamic should work.
Didn’t Copps have tailored training programmes in his later years too? I think it’s a sensible and fairly common practice. I don’t think Copps was ever resented for it, and it enabled him to perform at his best. If we can get the best from Tomlin (and I accept it’s a big if - there’s always risk) then we would have a player that’s one of the most dangerous in the division.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/what-gary-mcsheffrey-said-about-doncaster-rovers-trialist-lee-tomlin-3766368
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Said they’ve offered a deal to Tomlin and will adapt his training so he can enjoy his time and his family, apparently he could earn £500+ more but he’d be expected to play every minute and be training full time
Hurst we’ve been talking to his representatives and Birmingham
Read that about Tomlin. Not sure how i feel about it. Fair enough older players have different training routines (i'm sure copps would have) but i expect them all to run their b*llocks off. Don't like the idea of too much special treatment. Up to Tomlin to make himself worth the special treatment though
Exactly right. Other players will soon lose that respect if he doesn't produce. Sounds like they've already integrated him and he's been giving enough to maintain that respect.
As said, I'm sure Copps only knows too well how that dynamic should work.
Paul Mcgrath and Ledley King both continued playing in their latter years without doing any training through the week. All players need.different routines and I'd expect most pros will understand that.
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Great news, the away shirt has obviously swung it for him.
I would do this if I were you. :chair:
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Only just seen this news.
I am over the moon at this news. Preferring to come to us in League 2 rather than Reading in The Championship is quite a coup.
Just shows if you are a well run club with ambition the you can attract a player who is probably at a level 2 leagues above.
Well done GM, Copps and yes David Blunt.
Let’s hope we can keep this left back longer than the last 2, Andrews & James
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Worth mentioning about the better news on Anderson, Taylor and Knoyle. With Close it’s a little more tricky but he is making progress, GM saying he’s (Close) getting frustrated with it, but he is improving (2 steps forward, 1 back = +1).
Much better news………….and breathe!
That's moderately positive Alan - you feeling OK?
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I remember a time when this thread would have been a picture of a sign with 'Maxwell' written on it.
Couldn't be arsed to do that!
Will this do instead?
https://www.maxwellsigns.com/
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Good to see Maxwell in the House.....
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That's moderately positive Alan - you feeling OK?
Just relaying the moderately positive news from the treatment room. After the disaster of last season, I thought it deserved a mention.
And yes, feeling perfectly fine, as always.
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https://youtu.be/pjr3TMj1FkM
Crikey. An older head on young shoulders? He's not going to be the shy, retiring type.
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I hope we’ve hired an interpreter!
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Tremendous news. He’s certainly a confident lad. Sounds a perfect fit.
Welcome James. Hope you enjoy your time with the Rovers.
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I think this looks the best signing so far based on what I’d look for if I was making a signing.
Slightly concerning that there was very little process involved in finding him. More luck than any smart way of working but good luck to the lad.
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He has the potential to be if not the best left back in league two, then one of them. Him and Miller are our best signings so far.
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Hopefully these new signings do well and progress next season. On the face of it this looks to be a far better transfer window than last summer, however Hiwula looked a good bit of business on paper but things don't always work out. Think keeping Clayton fit will be the key to our season I know he wasn't match fit when he joined in January but should be well up to speed now. Him and Rowe should be able to boss league 2
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I take it you’ve not seen a pre-season friendly, andyst79? Capturing Maxwell was (almost) a necessity, but we shouldn’t underestimate any of the signings, imho. Miller, Molyneux, Biggins and Maxwell are all good lads and if we follow them up with Tomlin and Hurst then we’ve had a good, solid window.
Get Anderson back into the mix, followed by Taylor and the bench is going to be very strong. Then, hopefully, Close gets himself sorted and the midfield is looking quality for L2.
My hope, then, is for Fej to prove his fitness and get back on board and we’ll have a top 10 squad.
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If all that happens it would be a top ten squad in league 1 never mind league 2
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If all that happens it would be a top ten squad in league 1 never mind league 2
I think we’re in a strong position and I’m feeling pretty optimistic but weren’t you banging the drum about how strong our squad was this time last year? Once bitten…
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L1 is sooooo last season! We have to get out of L2 before we can think about standards for L1. Do not underestimate the other teams in the league we’re in - that is a recipe for disaster.
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We appointed a scout in Scotland recently so if this is the result of his work then well done!
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The perfect chant to ‘Batman’
Maxwell,
Maxwell,
Maxwell,
Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da,
MAXWELL….
:chair: :coat:
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https://youtu.be/pjr3TMj1FkM
Crikey. An older head on young shoulders? He's not going to be the shy, retiring type.
Great to see such a confident persona in someone so young. He could be a very, very shrewd signing with the potential to earn the club some big money in the future.
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We appointed a scout in Scotland recently so if this is the result of his work then well done!
Sadly not. McSheffrey said it was completely by chance, in that the agent of Maxwell made a call to us, rather than us seeking him out.
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The perfect chant to ‘Batman’
Maxwell,
Maxwell,
Maxwell,
Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da,
MAXWELL….
:chair: :coat:
I keep thinking of Maxwell’s silver hammer. Bang, bang! Etc as he robustly (but fairly) tackles the opposition right winger and nudges him accidentally over the advertising hoardings.
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If all that happens it would be a top ten squad in league 1 never mind league 2
I think we’re in a strong position and I’m feeling pretty optimistic but weren’t you banging the drum about how strong our squad was this time last year? Once bitten…
You’ve a better memory than me,
I still think we did have a half decent squad last season, but take Anderson, close, Taylor, okenabirhie out of it and that makes a difference.
The squad was good enough to not be involved in a relegation scrap
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I bet it won't be long before this lad is giving the b*llockings to Olowu and Williams. A fiery scot in the making maybe.
My fave left back was Gareth Roberts and if he has similar tenacity, bravery in defending plus good passing and shooting ability, we have a real gem.
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We appointed a scout in Scotland recently so if this is the result of his work then well done!
Sadly not. McSheffrey said it was completely by chance, in that the agent of Maxwell made a call to us, rather than us seeking him out.
I thought he said in the interview last night that it was the scout who put him to us?
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Signing players we haven’t seen play a live competitive game is madness. We are obviously doing a lot. Every signing should go through exactly the same process (I know it’s not 100% possible in the real world), but that should be the plan. Just not much real preparation as part of our system it seems.
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We appointed a scout in Scotland recently so if this is the result of his work then well done!
Sadly not. McSheffrey said it was completely by chance, in that the agent of Maxwell made a call to us, rather than us seeking him out.
I thought he said in the interview last night that it was the scout who put him to us?
I thought I heard him say that too.
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Signing players we haven’t seen play a live competitive game is madness. We are obviously doing a lot. Every signing should go through exactly the same process (I know it’s not 100% possible in the real world), but that should be the plan. Just not much real preparation as part of our system it seems.
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Are you saying it was madness to give Maxwell a contract when we haven’t seen him play a live game?
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We appointed a scout in Scotland recently so if this is the result of his work then well done!
Sadly not. McSheffrey said it was completely by chance, in that the agent of Maxwell made a call to us, rather than us seeking him out.
I thought he said in the interview last night that it was the scout who put him to us?
He did say that it was the scout that put him onto us. One can only assume the scout has seen him play live, and that’s been supplemented with due diligence - speaking to people and reviewing clips, assessing him on trial etc.
I’ve not seen any evidence that suggests we’ve been signing people that haven’t been watched live, either by McSheffrey directly or by someone involved at the club. I know McSheffrey has personally watched Molyneux play live for Hartlepool. But then he may be criticised on the basis it’s not a big enough sample to assess his contribution.
We can always learn and do things better in recruitment, but I haven’t seen any evidence that we’re doing things hopelessly this summer. That doesn’t mean everyone has to agree with every incoming - they never will.
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Good interview with James
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F3397597%2F2022%2F07%2F05%2Fjames-maxwell-rangers%2F
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If all that happens it would be a top ten squad in league 1 never mind league 2
Top 10 Alan with all the players fit?
That’s top 10 in League 1
Top 3 in this league easily. If Bradford have a better squad than ours then they have done very well indeed with their recruitment.
I am saying this based on all our players being fit, which of course they are not.
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Sorry dickos that should be tagged on to Alan’s post not yours. ;)
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Signing players we haven’t seen play a live competitive game is madness. We are obviously doing a lot. Every signing should go through exactly the same process (I know it’s not 100% possible in the real world), but that should be the plan. Just not much real preparation as part of our system it seems.
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Are you saying it was madness to give Maxwell a contract when we haven’t seen him play a live game?
I’m saying as a long term strategy it’s an exceptionally risky one and not one I’d advise.
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Signing players we haven’t seen play a live competitive game is madness. We are obviously doing a lot. Every signing should go through exactly the same process (I know it’s not 100% possible in the real world), but that should be the plan. Just not much real preparation as part of our system it seems.
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Are you saying it was madness to give Maxwell a contract when we haven’t seen him play a live game?
I’m saying as a long term strategy it’s an exceptionally risky one and not one I’d advise.
Do we not count the scout having seen him play live?
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Signing players we haven’t seen play a live competitive game is madness. We are obviously doing a lot. Every signing should go through exactly the same process (I know it’s not 100% possible in the real world), but that should be the plan. Just not much real preparation as part of our system it seems.
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Are you saying it was madness to give Maxwell a contract when we haven’t seen him play a live game?
I’m saying as a long term strategy it’s an exceptionally risky one and not one I’d advise.
Do we not count the scout having seen him play live?
I think that should be part of a bigger, more controlled process obviously but not THE process.
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Signing players we haven’t seen play a live competitive game is madness. We are obviously doing a lot. Every signing should go through exactly the same process (I know it’s not 100% possible in the real world), but that should be the plan. Just not much real preparation as part of our system it seems.
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Are you saying it was madness to give Maxwell a contract when we haven’t seen him play a live game?
I’m saying as a long term strategy it’s an exceptionally risky one and not one I’d advise.
Do we not count the scout having seen him play live?
I think that should be part of a bigger, more controlled process obviously but not THE process.
Can you embed and draw from a bigger and more controlled process in one summer?
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Top 3 in this league easily. If Bradford have a better squad than ours then they have done very well indeed with their recruitment.
We’ll know where we are after the first 7 or 8 games, as they’re nearly all against ‘fancied’ teams. Let’s just wait and see.
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Signing players we haven’t seen play a live competitive game is madness. We are obviously doing a lot. Every signing should go through exactly the same process (I know it’s not 100% possible in the real world), but that should be the plan. Just not much real preparation as part of our system it seems.
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Are you saying it was madness to give Maxwell a contract when we haven’t seen him play a live game?
I’m saying as a long term strategy it’s an exceptionally risky one and not one I’d advise.
Do we not count the scout having seen him play live?
I think that should be part of a bigger, more controlled process obviously but not THE process.
Can you embed and draw from a bigger and more controlled process in one summer?
GM and JC have been working closely since December. Seven months. Plenty of time to put in The foundations of a really robust process if you know what you are doing.
I’ve met with James and spoken to him about this and he’s got his ways of doing things and I kind of get the impression he wants to lead recruitment and trust himself to draw on his experience to make the right decisions long term. I’m my opinion, that’s not what his role is about, it’s about creating processes he can step back from and will last well beyond him being in the hot seat.
The role was created to operate with a longer term strategy that runs beyond the lifespan of the head coach. I get a little feeling that that life span is now only extended to the life span of James Coppinger. Happy to be proven wrong.
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Signing players we haven’t seen play a live competitive game is madness. We are obviously doing a lot. Every signing should go through exactly the same process (I know it’s not 100% possible in the real world), but that should be the plan. Just not much real preparation as part of our system it seems.
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Are you saying it was madness to give Maxwell a contract when we haven’t seen him play a live game?
I’m saying as a long term strategy it’s an exceptionally risky one and not one I’d advise.
Do we not count the scout having seen him play live?
I think that should be part of a bigger, more controlled process obviously but not THE process.
Can you embed and draw from a bigger and more controlled process in one summer?
GM and JC have been working closely since December. Seven months. Plenty of time to put in The foundations of a really robust process if you know what you are doing.
I’ve met with James and spoken to him about this and he’s got his ways of doing things and I kind of get the impression he wants to lead recruitment and trust himself to draw on his experience to make the right decisions long term. I’m my opinion, that’s not what his role is about, it’s about creating processes he can step back from and will last well beyond him being in the hot seat.
The role was created to operate with a longer term strategy that runs beyond the lifespan of the head coach. I get a little feeling that that life span is now only extended to the life span of James Coppinger. Happy to be proven wrong.
Fair enough. That’s an insight that most of us don’t have, and a considerable extension of the suggestion that we’re signing players that haven’t been watched live in competitive games (I’ve seen no reason to believe that this is the case). Copps has only officially been in post for a couple of months I think. I expect him to learn, grow and develop processes as we progress. I don’t expect everything to be right straight away or for every (or any) direction we move in to evade constructive challenge. Copps demonstrated a willing to listen as a player and I don’t expect that will stop now, even though he may hold different views to others on some matters. The building blocks we’re putting in place through the backroom structure suggests to me there is some long term vision and thinking.
This is an interesting discussion but seems to have pivoted very quickly from you suggesting that Maxwell appears to be the best signing of our summer, to having been signed as a huge risk without being watched, to this.
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We appointed a scout in Scotland recently so if this is the result of his work then well done!
Sadly not. McSheffrey said it was completely by chance, in that the agent of Maxwell made a call to us, rather than us seeking him out.
I thought he said in the interview last night that it was the scout who put him to us?
I’ve listened back and you are right, McSheffrey said it came through the scout. If you listen to the Maxwell interview it was him who said that his agent had put feelers out to Rovers.
I guess that could have come after the scout had done some work, or conceivably before.
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Signing players we haven’t seen play a live competitive game is madness. We are obviously doing a lot. Every signing should go through exactly the same process (I know it’s not 100% possible in the real world), but that should be the plan. Just not much real preparation as part of our system it seems.
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Are you saying it was madness to give Maxwell a contract when we haven’t seen him play a live game?
I’m saying as a long term strategy it’s an exceptionally risky one and not one I’d advise.
Do we not count the scout having seen him play live?
I think that should be part of a bigger, more controlled process obviously but not THE process.
Can you embed and draw from a bigger and more controlled process in one summer?
GM and JC have been working closely since December. Seven months. Plenty of time to put in The foundations of a really robust process if you know what you are doing.
I’ve met with James and spoken to him about this and he’s got his ways of doing things and I kind of get the impression he wants to lead recruitment and trust himself to draw on his experience to make the right decisions long term. I’m my opinion, that’s not what his role is about, it’s about creating processes he can step back from and will last well beyond him being in the hot seat.
The role was created to operate with a longer term strategy that runs beyond the lifespan of the head coach. I get a little feeling that that life span is now only extended to the life span of James Coppinger. Happy to be proven wrong.
Fair enough. That’s an insight that most of us don’t have, and a considerable extension of the suggestion that we’re signing players that haven’t been watched live in competitive games (I’ve seen no reason to believe that this is the case). Copps has only officially been in post for a couple of months I think. I expect him to learn, grow and develop processes as we progress. I don’t expect everything to be right straight away or for every (or any) direction we move in to evade constructive challenge. Copps demonstrated a willing to listen as a player and I don’t expect that will stop now, even though he may hold different views to others on some matters. The building blocks we’re putting in place through the backroom structure suggests to me there is some long term vision and thinking.
This is an interesting discussion but seems to have pivoted very quickly from you suggesting that Maxwell appears to be the best signing of our summer, to having been signed as a huge risk without being watched, to this.
It’s possible to sign good players through poor process. It happens all the time at all clubs. Being a well run football club is about eliminating as much luck in decision making as possible. Obviously impossible to eradicate it all but it affects the best clubs less than the ones that generally make it up as they go along.
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Signing players we haven’t seen play a live competitive game is madness. We are obviously doing a lot. Every signing should go through exactly the same process (I know it’s not 100% possible in the real world), but that should be the plan. Just not much real preparation as part of our system it seems.
?
Are you saying it was madness to give Maxwell a contract when we haven’t seen him play a live game?
I’m saying as a long term strategy it’s an exceptionally risky one and not one I’d advise.
Do we not count the scout having seen him play live?
I think that should be part of a bigger, more controlled process obviously but not THE process.
Can you embed and draw from a bigger and more controlled process in one summer?
GM and JC have been working closely since December. Seven months. Plenty of time to put in The foundations of a really robust process if you know what you are doing.
I’ve met with James and spoken to him about this and he’s got his ways of doing things and I kind of get the impression he wants to lead recruitment and trust himself to draw on his experience to make the right decisions long term. I’m my opinion, that’s not what his role is about, it’s about creating processes he can step back from and will last well beyond him being in the hot seat.
The role was created to operate with a longer term strategy that runs beyond the lifespan of the head coach. I get a little feeling that that life span is now only extended to the life span of James Coppinger. Happy to be proven wrong.
Fair enough. That’s an insight that most of us don’t have, and a considerable extension of the suggestion that we’re signing players that haven’t been watched live in competitive games (I’ve seen no reason to believe that this is the case). Copps has only officially been in post for a couple of months I think. I expect him to learn, grow and develop processes as we progress. I don’t expect everything to be right straight away or for every (or any) direction we move in to evade constructive challenge. Copps demonstrated a willing to listen as a player and I don’t expect that will stop now, even though he may hold different views to others on some matters. The building blocks we’re putting in place through the backroom structure suggests to me there is some long term vision and thinking.
This is an interesting discussion but seems to have pivoted very quickly from you suggesting that Maxwell appears to be the best signing of our summer, to having been signed as a huge risk without being watched, to this.
It’s possible to sign good players through poor process. It happens all the time at all clubs. Being a well run football club is about eliminating as much luck in decision making as possible. Obviously impossible to eradicate it all but it affects the best clubs less than the ones that generally make it up as they go along.
We’re Doncaster Rovers not bl**dy Liverpool!
You call it ‘poor practice’, I call it ‘probable potential’. In Maxwells case ‘probable’ because at 20 he’s played 70+ games in men’s football & I don’t mean men’s football as in non league playing against ‘Neanderthals’ week in week out, but ‘proper’ league football forAyr United & Queen of the South.
In his interview he compares ‘back to the wall football’ to playing to feet at Rangers. He says he feels he can adjust to both styles because he believes in his own abilities.
Potential because he’s come South to not only show what he can do, but to learn to do it even better. I think we may well have a real gem here mind you, I’ve never seen him play live, so let’s see what time brings before I return to the subject.
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Signing players we haven’t seen play a live competitive game is madness. We are obviously doing a lot. Every signing should go through exactly the same process (I know it’s not 100% possible in the real world), but that should be the plan. Just not much real preparation as part of our system it seems.
?
Are you saying it was madness to give Maxwell a contract when we haven’t seen him play a live game?
I’m saying as a long term strategy it’s an exceptionally risky one and not one I’d advise.
Do we not count the scout having seen him play live?
I think that should be part of a bigger, more controlled process obviously but not THE process.
Can you embed and draw from a bigger and more controlled process in one summer?
GM and JC have been working closely since December. Seven months. Plenty of time to put in The foundations of a really robust process if you know what you are doing.
I’ve met with James and spoken to him about this and he’s got his ways of doing things and I kind of get the impression he wants to lead recruitment and trust himself to draw on his experience to make the right decisions long term. I’m my opinion, that’s not what his role is about, it’s about creating processes he can step back from and will last well beyond him being in the hot seat.
The role was created to operate with a longer term strategy that runs beyond the lifespan of the head coach. I get a little feeling that that life span is now only extended to the life span of James Coppinger. Happy to be proven wrong.
Fair enough. That’s an insight that most of us don’t have, and a considerable extension of the suggestion that we’re signing players that haven’t been watched live in competitive games (I’ve seen no reason to believe that this is the case). Copps has only officially been in post for a couple of months I think. I expect him to learn, grow and develop processes as we progress. I don’t expect everything to be right straight away or for every (or any) direction we move in to evade constructive challenge. Copps demonstrated a willing to listen as a player and I don’t expect that will stop now, even though he may hold different views to others on some matters. The building blocks we’re putting in place through the backroom structure suggests to me there is some long term vision and thinking.
This is an interesting discussion but seems to have pivoted very quickly from you suggesting that Maxwell appears to be the best signing of our summer, to having been signed as a huge risk without being watched, to this.
It’s possible to sign good players through poor process. It happens all the time at all clubs. Being a well run football club is about eliminating as much luck in decision making as possible. Obviously impossible to eradicate it all but it affects the best clubs less than the ones that generally make it up as they go along.
We’re Doncaster Rovers not bl**dy Liverpool!
You call it ‘poor practice’, I call it ‘probable potential’. In Maxwells case ‘probable’ because at 20 he’s played 70+ games in men’s football & I don’t mean men’s football as in non league playing against ‘Neanderthals’ week in week out, but ‘proper’ league football forAyr United & Queen of the South.
In his interview he compares ‘back to the wall football’ to playing to feet at Rangers. He says he feels he can adjust to both styles because he believes in his own abilities.
Potential because he’s come South to not only show what he can do, but to learn to do it even better. I think we may well have a real gem here mind you, I’ve never seen him play live, so let’s see what time brings before I return to the subject.
Being smarter than the rest is the only way to punch above our weight in the long term, that’s what it’s about as a small club surely? I know how possible it is on our budget to be able to get back challenging for Champ promotion against teams with two or three times our budget. As things stand, in my very humble opinion, we are reliant on lots and lots of luck to achieve anything near that.
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Once you take the luck out of decisions, then success can be replicated again and again.