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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: wilts rover on July 22, 2022, 06:08:45 pm
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Just seen this written down and was staggered by it:
Fall in GDP due to Brexit = £30 billion per year
Test & Waste = £37 billion
Covid loans fraud write off = £16 billion
Usless PPE = £9 billion
EU Divorce Bill = £43 billion
All this has to be paid for by taxpayers. Never again should the Tories be able to say they are safe with the economy - and Sunak was chancellor for most of it.
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With respect wilts I would suggest that people who voted in favour of Brexit might have been a big contributor to some of those costs.
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The Financial Crash unregulated under a Labour government cost the UK £500bn .
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And?
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And?
Which bit didn't you understand ?
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What has it to do with the current situation?
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What has it to do with the current situation?
Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .
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What has it to do with the current situation?
Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .
I blame it all on William the Conqueror. Never been the same since.
Just out of interest Tyke, which bit of the American sub-prime mortgage market do you think Brown was at fault for not regulating?
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What has it to do with the current situation?
Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .
And it was all Gordon Browns fauly? History Eh?
Why not go back further in time I'm sure there are lots of other examples?
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What has it to do with the current situation?
Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .
I blame it all on William the Conqueror. Never been the same since.
Just out of interest Tyke, which bit of the American sub-prime mortgage market do you think Brown was at fault for not regulating?
I think the bit where it cost the UK £500bn offers a clue Billy .
You get in to bed with neoliberalism for 13 years of power don't come belly aching to me .
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What has it to do with the current situation?
Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .
And it was all Gordon Browns fauly? History Eh?
Why not go back further in time I'm sure there are lots of other examples?
If the facts don't suit your agenda then unfortunately I've nowt else to add .
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What has it to do with the current situation?
Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .
From a typical tory, what else would we expect.
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What has it to do with the current situation?
Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .
From a typical tory, what else would we expect.
Well you lost the 2010 and 2015 elections on the strength of it so go figure .
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OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.
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OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.
Because the electorate concluded you couldn't be trusted with the economy .
The Tories successfully pinned the blame on you for Austerity .
Remember the post it note from the Treasury , " there's no money left " .
Anytime you get in to bed with people you should be ideological opposing don't come crying to me Sydney .
You make your bed and you lay in it .
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OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.
Because the electorate concluded you couldn't be trusted with the economy .
The Tories successfully pinned the blame on you for Austerity .
Remember the post it note from the Treasury , " there's no money left " .
Anytime you get in to bed with people you should be ideological opposing don't come crying to me Sydney .
You make your bed and you lay in it .
this was your post tyke
''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
can you please put in front of all future comments?
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OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.
Because the electorate concluded you couldn't be trusted with the economy .
The Tories successfully pinned the blame on you for Austerity .
Remember the post it note from the Treasury , " there's no money left " .
Anytime you get in to bed with people you should be ideological opposing don't come crying to me Sydney .
You make your bed and you lay in it .
this was your post tyke
''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
can you please put in front of all future comments?
Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .
Problem is history tends to be on my side and the electorate concluded that if you owned the Sahara Desert you'd run out of sand in five years .
It's not fair is it , poor you .
You had the opportunity to put the Tories out of business altogether in 97 with a coalition with the Dems .
Changed this country forever .
Your that fecking weak you didn't take it and that's your problem .
The Tories are ruthless and that's why they win and even with power you still have to dance to their tune .
The politics I've surrounded myself with would have spat on the Tory grave in 97 and laughed .
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''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
''Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .''
For me to do that tyke you would need to explain, in English preferably exactly what you want and answer just a few of the balmy posts you yourself have put up about your thinking and when it happened, there are more changes to than a Mordaunt wiki page
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OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.
Because the electorate concluded you couldn't be trusted with the economy .
The Tories successfully pinned the blame on you for Austerity .
Remember the post it note from the Treasury , " there's no money left " .
Anytime you get in to bed with people you should be ideological opposing don't come crying to me Sydney .
You make your bed and you lay in it .
this was your post tyke
''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
can you please put in front of all future comments?
Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .
Problem is history tends to be on my side and the electorate concluded that if you owned the Sahara Desert you'd run out of sand in five years .
It's not fair is it , poor you .
You had the opportunity to put the Tories out of business altogether in 97 with a coalition with the Dems .
Changed this country forever .
Your that fecking weak you didn't take it and that's your problem .
The Tories are ruthless and that's why they win and even with power you still have to dance to their tune .
The politics I've surrounded myself with would have spat on the Tory grave in 97 and laughed .
Problem is Tyke, the politics you've surrounded yourself with has never got within a mile of Downing Street.
You cling to it like a comfort blanket and hurl abuse at those on the Left who actually do get into power and make changes that are possible.
You're in a dream world mate.
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OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.
Because the electorate concluded you couldn't be trusted with the economy .
The Tories successfully pinned the blame on you for Austerity .
Remember the post it note from the Treasury , " there's no money left " .
Anytime you get in to bed with people you should be ideological opposing don't come crying to me Sydney .
You make your bed and you lay in it .
this was your post tyke
''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
can you please put in front of all future comments?
Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .
Problem is history tends to be on my side and the electorate concluded that if you owned the Sahara Desert you'd run out of sand in five years .
It's not fair is it , poor you .
You had the opportunity to put the Tories out of business altogether in 97 with a coalition with the Dems .
Changed this country forever .
Your that fecking weak you didn't take it and that's your problem .
The Tories are ruthless and that's why they win and even with power you still have to dance to their tune .
The politics I've surrounded myself with would have spat on the Tory grave in 97 and laughed .
Problem is Tyke, the politics you've surrounded yourself with has never got within a mile of Downing Street.
You cling to it like a comfort blanket and hurl abuse at those on the Left who actually do get into power and make changes that are possible.
You're in a dream world mate.
Billy if you want to be a sycophant all your life then that's up to you with your soft shyte safe politics for a sniff of power .
I've more respect for Thatcher than I have for you lot , at least she challenged the norm , stuck to her guns and changed this country .
You lot haven't the brains or the minerals which isn't exactly a great combination .
You think a sniff of power makes this right , your deluded fella .
Your the tribute Tory band .
The present dumb ass can't even support a credible railway strike .
What's the fecking point of you ?
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''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
''Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .''
For me to do that tyke you would need to explain, in English preferably exactly what you want and answer just a few of the balmy posts you yourself have put up about your thinking and when it happened, there are more changes to than a Mordaunt wiki page
Yet your present leader resembles a weathervane but you support him anyway .
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Yes Tyke. I get it. You've been saying it for years. You'd rather have a Tory Govt than a Labour one that wasn't exactly what you want it to be.
Good luck with that. You had your chance in 1983, 2017 and 2019 and look where we ended up.
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tyke, deal with the things you can change. Get out of the house and make change happen, sitting on the couch having the shit's with everything is not helping.
''The secret story behind Ash Barty’s primal scream''
''Ash Barty’s mindset coach Ben Crowe is not surprised that life coaches are in greater demand than ever before, saying the pandemic has challenged everyone to deal with things they cannot control.
Crowe says not getting distracted by all the “uncontrollables” was crucial to helping Barty break the country’s 44-year drought for Australian women at their home grand slam.''
https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/leaders/the-secret-story-behind-ash-barty-s-primal-scream-20220130-p59sbk#:~:text=Ash%20Barty's%20mindset%20coach%20Ben,with%20things%20they%20cannot%20control.
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lets dangle a carrot (in fact 24 of em) in front of you
"Gold: Gordon Brown's sale remains controversial 20 years on
By Russell Hotten
Business reporter, BBC News
Published 7 May 2019"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48177767
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lets dangle a carrot (in fact 24 of em) in front of you
"Gold: Gordon Brown's sale remains controversial 20 years on
By Russell Hotten
Business reporter, BBC News
Published 7 May 2019"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48177767
If you could point to the relevance of this to the GFC and Brexit CLH (the secret tory)
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The price of gold. Brown made some errors of timing but I guess all those criticising bought their gold at the bottom of the market and are now extremely rich.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart
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lets dangle a carrot (in fact 24 of em) in front of you
"Gold: Gordon Brown's sale remains controversial 20 years on
By Russell Hotten
Business reporter, BBC News
Published 7 May 2019"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48177767
Undervaluation of shares in RM privatisation under Cameron costs taxpayer £750 miliion
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/30/lazard-bank-royal-mail-shares-profit-flotation-margaret-hodge
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I'd like to know where we just "get" as much money as we do from.
Everything they mention these days is "we have just given them x million or x billion". Latest was building drug rehab centers in Prisons and immediately Govt pledged 160 or 190 million quid.
Multiply that by dozens of similar causes... add in 37 billion they have pledged for " energy " offsetting and another 37 billion for Test & Trace
Loads spent on furlough etc etc and lots squandered when people (obvs) helped themselves to lots they were not entitled to ... and then was it 4 billion they wrote off by not chasing the fraudsters
Yet at the height of the Pandemic they refused to keep the £20 uplift to Universal Credit and used to say "there is no magic money tree" . But is there ... where do we get these lumps of money from.
I didn't do economics at School or since then and presume it comes from a World Bank but when do they run out of readies and who funds them
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Gilts ... The highest i remember was about 14.5% Exchequer redeemable in1990 odd
And of course BB will remember war loan stock from the first world war (it did what it said on the tin) was it 2.5% ..itwasatthe time undated
Meaning if you lent the government £1_they would pay you 2.5% for ever ...unless you sold the certificate they issued to you .. On the market post war
So inthe 1980s every £1 you bought insay 1916 wasworth about 25 pence if you soldit on the market
Which at that time was very poor reward for your relatives being patriotic.....
You have heard of stocks and shares .. But none of you havethought what is "stock".
And only knew the Rovers player
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Gilts ... The highest i remember was about 14.5% Exchequer redeemable in1990 odd
And of course BB will remember war loan stock from the first world war (it did what it said on the tin) was it 2.5% ..itwasatthe time undated
Meaning if you lent the government £1_they would pay you 2.5% for ever ...unless you sold the certificate they issued to you .. On the market post war
So inthe 1980s every £1 you bought insay 1916 wasworth about 25 pence if you soldit on the market
Which at that time was very poor reward for your relatives being patriotic.....
You have heard of stocks and shares .. But none of you havethought what is "stock".
And only knew the Rovers player
The government can buy them back at any time. It doesn't look like you know what stock is either.
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Wilts BJ wasn’t responsible for Brexit he just took it on so at least 73 billion of your assumptions are null and void if it wasn’t him it would have been someone else
I assume you think Starmer could have done it for about a tenner
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What was war Stock?
"War stock" were bonds issued by the Government to help fund wartime efforts and pay for reparations after the war. They paid different levels of income, depending on the bond you bought.27 Feb 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/oct/31/uk-first-world-war-bonds-redeemed
i may be your granny but don't teach me to suck eggs
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''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
''Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .''
For me to do that tyke you would need to explain, in English preferably exactly what you want and answer just a few of the balmy posts you yourself have put up about your thinking and when it happened, there are more changes to than a Mordaunt wiki page
Yet your present leader resembles a weathervane but you support him anyway .
I said from the early days of your appearance on this forum, you were a closet Tory, your last few comments have shown that
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The Financial Crash unregulated under a Labour government cost the UK £500bn .
Where on earth do you get numbers like this Tyke? Please tell me it wasn’t Wiki or the Express.
£500bn is bo11ox. Try this link for a more informed view:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn05748/
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What was war Stock?
"War stock" were bonds issued by the Government to help fund wartime efforts and pay for reparations after the war. They paid different levels of income, depending on the bond you bought.27 Feb 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/oct/31/uk-first-world-war-bonds-redeemed
i may be your granny but don't teach me to suck eggs
That's not the part you got utterly wrong. This is:
Meaning if you lent the government £1_they would pay you 2.5% for ever ...unless you sold the certificate they issued to you .. On the market post war
The government can buy them back from you at any time whether you want to sell them back or not. Even the link you post yourself tells you that! Get sucking them eggs.
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imagine a very rich person bought £100 of war loan 3.5% at par in say 1917
that piece of paper (lets call it) would guarantee him a 3.5% return on that £100
if he was still (or descendants) holding it in 1974 when interest rates were around say 10%
the government were never going to give him his FULL £100 back ( redeem) so he could invest it and get that 10% --
the trade in value of that "piece of paper" he purchase as you can see was around 26 pence in the pound in 1974 due to the high interest rates - meaning over the years he would have lost 74% of his money
there was once a lobby to give the original purchasers (well their loyal descendants) the full £100 when the "stock " was well out of the money ... but it fell on stony ground -- google knows nothing about this
and here is your homework
https://www.bis.org/publ/bppdf/bispap65b_rh.pdf
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You keep repeating stuff I don't disagree with and ignoring what you said that was wrong and that even your own link proved was wrong.. Must try harder.
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Wilts BJ wasn’t responsible for Brexit he just took it on so at least 73 billion of your assumptions are null and void if it wasn’t him it would have been someone else
I assume you think Starmer could have done it for about a tenner
Wow!! History already being re-written on the Johnson government before he has even left it.
He ran an Election Campaign on the slogan 'Get Brexit Done'. He is even now saying one of his main achivemens=ts was that it was him, and him alone, 'that got Brexit done'.
He agreed the Brexit Divorce Bill. He agreed the terms of the WA. It's his Brexit deal. All of the financial misjudgments now coming out and costing the country are down to him.
Dont blame me for him lying to you.
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''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
''Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .''
For me to do that tyke you would need to explain, in English preferably exactly what you want and answer just a few of the balmy posts you yourself have put up about your thinking and when it happened, there are more changes to than a Mordaunt wiki page
Yet your present leader resembles a weathervane but you support him anyway .
I said from the early days of your appearance on this forum, you were a closet Tory, your last few comments have shown that
No I would disagree with this, Tyke is more an anarchist than a Tory. If he can't get what he want's then he would rather blow everything up than leave it to run in a way he doesn't like. However secure it is/was. That's what Brexit was to a good percentage of people.
Just read this that I agree with:
A great weight of modern liberal Western delusion rests upon the framing of ‘events’ like Brexit, Trump, Johnson, et al, as in some vague way unwarranted, unforeseeable, bolts from the blue, rather than as inescapable consequences of decisions made in pursuit of other goals.
Boris Johnson is not an anomaly. He is arguably the greatest living manifestation of a boorish bantzy idea of Britishness arising more than 20 years ago and let thrive because it seemed to be a laugh.
https://twitter.com/barneyfarmer/status/1551129346424930305
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''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
''Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .''
For me to do that tyke you would need to explain, in English preferably exactly what you want and answer just a few of the balmy posts you yourself have put up about your thinking and when it happened, there are more changes to than a Mordaunt wiki page
Yet your present leader resembles a weathervane but you support him anyway .
I said from the early days of your appearance on this forum, you were a closet Tory, your last few comments have shown that
No I would disagree with this, Tyke is more an anarchist than a Tory. If he can't get what he want's then he would rather blow everything up than leave it to run in a way he doesn't like. However secure it is/was. That's what Brexit was to a good percentage of people.
Just read this that I agree with:
A great weight of modern liberal Western delusion rests upon the framing of ‘events’ like Brexit, Trump, Johnson, et al, as in some vague way unwarranted, unforeseeable, bolts from the blue, rather than as inescapable consequences of decisions made in pursuit of other goals.
Boris Johnson is not an anomaly. He is arguably the greatest living manifestation of a boorish bantzy idea of Britishness arising more than 20 years ago and let thrive because it seemed to be a laugh.
https://twitter.com/barneyfarmer/status/1551129346424930305
That's a remarkable claim given absolutely nobody gets everything they want and something I've known the majority of my working life .
I'd have compromised in 84/85 for instance and I spent the majority of my time as union rep compromising to keep companies profitable as well as representing the members .
I'll take no lessons off the centre and the right of the Labour Party who plotted against the last leader to keep him out of number 10 .
Or indeed people like Mandelson who have come back from the dead and are on the record as " spending every single day undermining the last Labour leadership " .
With the party back in control of the centre and right anybody not jumping in to line is to be vindicated as a Tory enabler , a trouble maker and a stain on the party .
You don't want us , that's perfectly fine and you have your own ideas how to best win the next election .
However you'll do it without my funding and you'll do it without my vote unless things change drastically over the next two years .
If this is the travel of direction then fine but you'll own the fecker as far as I'm concerned .
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''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
''Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .''
For me to do that tyke you would need to explain, in English preferably exactly what you want and answer just a few of the balmy posts you yourself have put up about your thinking and when it happened, there are more changes to than a Mordaunt wiki page
Yet your present leader resembles a weathervane but you support him anyway .
I said from the early days of your appearance on this forum, you were a closet Tory, your last few comments have shown that
No I would disagree with this, Tyke is more an anarchist than a Tory. If he can't get what he want's then he would rather blow everything up than leave it to run in a way he doesn't like. However secure it is/was. That's what Brexit was to a good percentage of people.
Just read this that I agree with:
A great weight of modern liberal Western delusion rests upon the framing of ‘events’ like Brexit, Trump, Johnson, et al, as in some vague way unwarranted, unforeseeable, bolts from the blue, rather than as inescapable consequences of decisions made in pursuit of other goals.
Boris Johnson is not an anomaly. He is arguably the greatest living manifestation of a boorish bantzy idea of Britishness arising more than 20 years ago and let thrive because it seemed to be a laugh.
https://twitter.com/barneyfarmer/status/1551129346424930305
That's a remarkable claim given absolutely nobody gets everything they want and something I've known the majority of my working life .
I'd have compromised in 84/85 for instance and I spent the majority of my time as union rep compromising to keep companies profitable as well as representing the members .
I'll take no lessons off the centre and the right of the Labour Party who plotted against the last leader to keep him out of number 10 .
Or indeed people like Mandelson who have come back from the dead and are on the record as " spending every single day undermining the last Labour leadership " .
With the party back in control of the centre and right anybody not jumping in to line is to be vindicated as a Tory enabler , a trouble maker and a stain on the party .
You don't want us , that's perfectly fine and you have your own ideas how to best win the next election .
However you'll do it without my funding and you'll do it without my vote unless things change drastically over the next two years .
If this is the travel of direction then fine but you'll own the fecker as far as I'm concerned .
Nothing to do with me. I am making observations from the outside.
I have said several times that I dont think Starmer is a very efficent leader and dont like his policies or policy direction. But not liking something and attacking people because you dont like them are very different things.
You appear now to be attempting to undermine the current Labour leadership - a policy you critise other people for! Either its a good thing to do - or not.
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tyke, I'm surprised at you as a brexiter in chief from 1979 and then corbyn won't support you, did he let you down gently?
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''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
''Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .''
For me to do that tyke you would need to explain, in English preferably exactly what you want and answer just a few of the balmy posts you yourself have put up about your thinking and when it happened, there are more changes to than a Mordaunt wiki page
Yet your present leader resembles a weathervane but you support him anyway .
I said from the early days of your appearance on this forum, you were a closet Tory, your last few comments have shown that
No I would disagree with this, Tyke is more an anarchist than a Tory. If he can't get what he want's then he would rather blow everything up than leave it to run in a way he doesn't like. However secure it is/was. That's what Brexit was to a good percentage of people.
Just read this that I agree with:
A great weight of modern liberal Western delusion rests upon the framing of ‘events’ like Brexit, Trump, Johnson, et al, as in some vague way unwarranted, unforeseeable, bolts from the blue, rather than as inescapable consequences of decisions made in pursuit of other goals.
Boris Johnson is not an anomaly. He is arguably the greatest living manifestation of a boorish bantzy idea of Britishness arising more than 20 years ago and let thrive because it seemed to be a laugh.
https://twitter.com/barneyfarmer/status/1551129346424930305
That's a remarkable claim given absolutely nobody gets everything they want and something I've known the majority of my working life .
I'd have compromised in 84/85 for instance and I spent the majority of my time as union rep compromising to keep companies profitable as well as representing the members .
I'll take no lessons off the centre and the right of the Labour Party who plotted against the last leader to keep him out of number 10 .
Or indeed people like Mandelson who have come back from the dead and are on the record as " spending every single day undermining the last Labour leadership " .
With the party back in control of the centre and right anybody not jumping in to line is to be vindicated as a Tory enabler , a trouble maker and a stain on the party .
You don't want us , that's perfectly fine and you have your own ideas how to best win the next election .
However you'll do it without my funding and you'll do it without my vote unless things change drastically over the next two years .
If this is the travel of direction then fine but you'll own the fecker as far as I'm concerned .
Nothing to do with me. I am making observations from the outside.
I have said several times that I dont think Starmer is a very efficent leader and dont like his policies or policy direction. But not liking something and attacking people because you dont like them are very different things.
You appear now to be attempting to undermine the current Labour leadership - a policy you critise other people for! Either its a good thing to do - or not.
It seems to me that unless you treat the Labour Party as a sacred cow the attacks come thick and fast .
Holding certain views and members of groups will get you expelled from the Party .
It's clearly not the broad church it claims to be , it's currently anything but .
There's only one section of the party who are doing the attacking so if the rocks get thrown back with a bit of vengeance then it's perfectly understandable .
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I guess most of those you are debating with would have held their nose and voted labour despite their misgivings, I guess you don't see the future that way.
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tyke, I'm surprised at you as a brexiter in chief from 1979 and then corbyn won't support you, did he let you down gently?
It was pretty obvious what was coming in 2019 .
Labour had an ambiguous position and trying to reconcile the middle class metropolitan remain contingent whilst keeping the Red Wall onside was an almost impossible task .
However what I will say is this , there's a good number of young Tory MP's who won Red Wall seats currently working extremely hard to get the money in to their constituencies and bring some prosperity to these towns .
Now they may be successful and they probably may not be but I'll say one thing at least they aren't taking their voters for granted which at least is one step ahead of the current brand of the Labour Party since 1997 .
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From 'however' ...................... absolutely nothing to do with what we are discussing of course, but that's you to a 'T', T for tyke.
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I guess most of those you are debating with would have held their nose and voted labour despite their misgivings, I guess you don't see the future that way.
Quite right I don't , I don't see anything from the Labour Party what so ever that convinces me they are going to be successful in government .
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I guess most of those you are debating with would have held their nose and voted labour despite their misgivings, I guess you don't see the future that way.
Quite right I don't , I don't see anything from the Labour Party what so ever that convinces me they are going to be successful in government .
You must have the 'touch' tyke
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''It was pretty obvious what was coming in 2019''
Can't find any of your predictions in the back catalogue tyke
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“I'll take no lessons off the centre and the right of the Labour Party who plotted against the last leader to keep him out of number 10 .”
Tyke you wrote this and believe it?
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“I'll take no lessons off the centre and the right of the Labour Party who plotted against the last leader to keep him out of number 10 .”
Tyke you wrote this and believe it?
Yes, it was nothing to do with the British electorate not wanting him in No.10 at all!! In fact, Corbyn was exactly who they wanted all along!
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Tyke.
I've asked you before what sort of Left wing Govt you imagine being able to get. Given that people with your views to up to perhaps 20% of the voters.
I don't get what you expect to be achievable.
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“I'll take no lessons off the centre and the right of the Labour Party who plotted against the last leader to keep him out of number 10 .”
Tyke you wrote this and believe it?
Take a butchers at the Forde Report and then get back to me Hounslow .
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“I'll take no lessons off the centre and the right of the Labour Party who plotted against the last leader to keep him out of number 10 .”
Tyke you wrote this and believe it?
Yes, it was nothing to do with the British electorate not wanting him in No.10 at all!! In fact, Corbyn was exactly who they wanted all along!
The UK electorate didn't want Corbyn your quite right and I'm not going to argue with that .
The UK electorate didn't want Brown or Miliband either under New Labour .
However consider this .....
Tony Blair 2005 - 9.5m votes
Gordon Brown 2010 - 8.6m
Ed Miliband 2015 - 9.3m
Jeremy Corbyn 2017 - 12.8m
Jeremy Corbyn 2019 - 10.2m
All losses granted but none the less the electorate wants more social democracy than it wants the direction Keith is taking the party .
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Tyke.
I've asked you before what sort of Left wing Govt you imagine being able to get. Given that people with your views to up to perhaps 20% of the voters.
I don't get what you expect to be achievable.
I don't get what you expect to achieve either Billy to be honest .
Maybe supporting the man with a red rosette on somehow eases your conscience despite the fact the party are clients of the ruling classes and the establishment in the same way the Tories are .
I can almost guarantee you won't change much if you gain power and anything you do won't make much difference .
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''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
''Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .''
For me to do that tyke you would need to explain, in English preferably exactly what you want and answer just a few of the balmy posts you yourself have put up about your thinking and when it happened, there are more changes to than a Mordaunt wiki page
Yet your present leader resembles a weathervane but you support him anyway .
I said from the early days of your appearance on this forum, you were a closet Tory, your last few comments have shown that
No I would disagree with this, Tyke is more an anarchist than a Tory. If he can't get what he want's then he would rather blow everything up than leave it to run in a way he doesn't like. However secure it is/was. That's what Brexit was to a good percentage of people.
Just read this that I agree with:
A great weight of modern liberal Western delusion rests upon the framing of ‘events’ like Brexit, Trump, Johnson, et al, as in some vague way unwarranted, unforeseeable, bolts from the blue, rather than as inescapable consequences of decisions made in pursuit of other goals.
Boris Johnson is not an anomaly. He is arguably the greatest living manifestation of a boorish bantzy idea of Britishness arising more than 20 years ago and let thrive because it seemed to be a laugh.
https://twitter.com/barneyfarmer/status/1551129346424930305
That's a remarkable claim given absolutely nobody gets everything they want and something I've known the majority of my working life .
I'd have compromised in 84/85 for instance and I spent the majority of my time as union rep compromising to keep companies profitable as well as representing the members .
I'll take no lessons off the centre and the right of the Labour Party who plotted against the last leader to keep him out of number 10 .
Or indeed people like Mandelson who have come back from the dead and are on the record as " spending every single day undermining the last Labour leadership " .
With the party back in control of the centre and right anybody not jumping in to line is to be vindicated as a Tory enabler , a trouble maker and a stain on the party .
You don't want us , that's perfectly fine and you have your own ideas how to best win the next election .
However you'll do it without my funding and you'll do it without my vote unless things change drastically over the next two years .
If this is the travel of direction then fine but you'll own the fecker as far as I'm concerned .
Nothing to do with me. I am making observations from the outside.
I have said several times that I dont think Starmer is a very efficent leader and dont like his policies or policy direction. But not liking something and attacking people because you dont like them are very different things.
You appear now to be attempting to undermine the current Labour leadership - a policy you critise other people for! Either its a good thing to do - or not.
It seems to me that unless you treat the Labour Party as a sacred cow the attacks come thick and fast .
Holding certain views and members of groups will get you expelled from the Party .
It's clearly not the broad church it claims to be , it's currently anything but .
There's only one section of the party who are doing the attacking so if the rocks get thrown back with a bit of vengeance then it's perfectly understandable .
If you are refering to me - which 'section' of the Labour Party do I belong to then? I am not a member of it and only ever was for a short time. TU steward and member for a lot longer.
You brought up the Labour Party, I didn't.
I have given my opinion on Starmer above. If you can't be bothered to read it - that's your problem. If you can be bothered to read it and think I am a 'section' that supports him - thats also your problem.
As I said above, you are an anarchist - you just want to blow things up if you can't have your own way. You are not a Tory - but you are doing their wok for them.
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''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''
''Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .''
For me to do that tyke you would need to explain, in English preferably exactly what you want and answer just a few of the balmy posts you yourself have put up about your thinking and when it happened, there are more changes to than a Mordaunt wiki page
Yet your present leader resembles a weathervane but you support him anyway .
I said from the early days of your appearance on this forum, you were a closet Tory, your last few comments have shown that
No I would disagree with this, Tyke is more an anarchist than a Tory. If he can't get what he want's then he would rather blow everything up than leave it to run in a way he doesn't like. However secure it is/was. That's what Brexit was to a good percentage of people.
Just read this that I agree with:
A great weight of modern liberal Western delusion rests upon the framing of ‘events’ like Brexit, Trump, Johnson, et al, as in some vague way unwarranted, unforeseeable, bolts from the blue, rather than as inescapable consequences of decisions made in pursuit of other goals.
Boris Johnson is not an anomaly. He is arguably the greatest living manifestation of a boorish bantzy idea of Britishness arising more than 20 years ago and let thrive because it seemed to be a laugh.
https://twitter.com/barneyfarmer/status/1551129346424930305
That's a remarkable claim given absolutely nobody gets everything they want and something I've known the majority of my working life .
I'd have compromised in 84/85 for instance and I spent the majority of my time as union rep compromising to keep companies profitable as well as representing the members .
I'll take no lessons off the centre and the right of the Labour Party who plotted against the last leader to keep him out of number 10 .
Or indeed people like Mandelson who have come back from the dead and are on the record as " spending every single day undermining the last Labour leadership " .
With the party back in control of the centre and right anybody not jumping in to line is to be vindicated as a Tory enabler , a trouble maker and a stain on the party .
You don't want us , that's perfectly fine and you have your own ideas how to best win the next election .
However you'll do it without my funding and you'll do it without my vote unless things change drastically over the next two years .
If this is the travel of direction then fine but you'll own the fecker as far as I'm concerned .
Nothing to do with me. I am making observations from the outside.
I have said several times that I dont think Starmer is a very efficent leader and dont like his policies or policy direction. But not liking something and attacking people because you dont like them are very different things.
You appear now to be attempting to undermine the current Labour leadership - a policy you critise other people for! Either its a good thing to do - or not.
It seems to me that unless you treat the Labour Party as a sacred cow the attacks come thick and fast .
Holding certain views and members of groups will get you expelled from the Party .
It's clearly not the broad church it claims to be , it's currently anything but .
There's only one section of the party who are doing the attacking so if the rocks get thrown back with a bit of vengeance then it's perfectly understandable .
If you are refering to me - which 'section' of the Labour Party do I belong to then? I am not a member of it and only ever was for a short time. TU steward and member for a lot longer.
You brought up the Labour Party, I didn't.
I have given my opinion on Starmer above. If you can't be bothered to read it - that's your problem. If you can be bothered to read it and think I am a 'section' that supports him - thats also your problem.
As I said above, you are an anarchist - you just want to blow things up if you can't have your own way. You are not a Tory - but you are doing their wok for them.
Would you class Mick Lynch as an anarchist ?
That's my idea of a Labour Party and not the dogs dinner it is right now .
I share this man's views and have most of my life .
https://youtu.be/nbmQQ13UrMw
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In what way is Mick Lynch an anarchist? How are you supporting Mick Lynch, are you in the same union, did you go to support the workers that had been sacked and how? what are you doing to get the government you want in power?
Hint: it's not by allowing a tory government in.
(Wasn't Andy Burnham yours and Steve's hero last year till bst popped your bubble?)
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''Government winds back Australian Building and Construction Commission's powers to 'bare legal minimum'''
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-24/government-winds-back-construction-watchdog-s-powers/101264794
This commission was set up purely as a way to hinder and thwart the construction union in any way possible and continually throw red meat to the far right, one of the first acts of the new government (which I didn't vote for) was to virtually abolish it.
Those that understand how successive government works know that nothing lasts forever and power shuffles to the left or right according to the government of the day. By not supporting the right the Lib/nat lost power, many MPs and thus are unable to do anything substantive. Labour hopes to win the following election too where it can strengthen it's mandate to move further to the left.
tyke, do you get this in any way whatsoever?
Riddle me this tyke: how many times did corbyn defy the whip while labour was in power?
Put number here ( x )
Nar then, why wud any person true to his own sen when he hissen were a rebel, be upset wi others rebelling agin him? How many times, remind me ( x )?
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And the country and many in it are still paying out, he's like the monster you just can't kill ......
''Met admits not sending Boris Johnson questionnaires over Partygate gatherings''
''The Good Law Project (GLP), a non-profit campaign group that has brought a judicial review over accusations that the Met failed to fully investigate Johnson’s presence at parties, said: “The Met’s actions have raised grave concerns about the deferential way in which they are policing those in power.
“We don’t think the Met’s response is consistent with their legal duty of candour. And we certainly don’t think it’s consistent with what the Met has elsewhere conceded is their public duty to maintain public confidence in policing.”''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/25/met-finally-admits-not-sending-boris-johnson-questionnaires-over-partygate-gatherings
Why would you stick your neck out for someone that wouldn't pay you a second glance if you needed help, this poor excuse for a human being has no morals and surrounds himself with either like minded people or draws them into his corrupt mind set.
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One of the more insightful things that Starmer has ever said during his tenure as opposition leader was perhaps more memorable than he meant it to be: “In a way, the more we expose the inadequacy of this government, the more it presses the question back on us. If they are so bad, what does it say about us?
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I guess it's all in the context NR you did read the whole speech?
I prefer this though, did you vote for this?
Footage resurfaces of Boris Johnson admitting that he is a 'blithering idiot'
https://www.indy100.com/news/boris-johnson-top-gear-interview-jeremy-clarkson-blithering-idiot-9586951
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I guess it's all in the context NR you did read the whole speech?
I prefer this though, did you vote for this?
Footage resurfaces of Boris Johnson admitting that he is a 'blithering idiot'
https://www.indy100.com/news/boris-johnson-top-gear-interview-jeremy-clarkson-blithering-idiot-9586951
Mmmm, 2003. Anyway I think it it is good that people can laugh at themselves from time to time.
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Mmmm, 2003. Anyway I think it it is good that people can laugh at themselves from time to time.
speaking from experience there hound?
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Mmmm, 2003. Anyway I think it it is good that people can laugh at themselves from time to time.
speaking from experience there hound?
Yep, none of us are perfect.
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Mmmm, 2003. Anyway I think it it is good that people can laugh at themselves from time to time.
speaking from experience there hound?
Yep, none of us are perfect.
A bit of self reflection is always a good start hound
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Mmmm, 2003. Anyway I think it it is good that people can laugh at themselves from time to time.
speaking from experience there hound?
Yep, none of us are perfect.
A bit of self reflection is always a good start hound
Maybe you should try it.
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Mmmm, 2003. Anyway I think it it is good that people can laugh at themselves from time to time.
speaking from experience there hound?
Yep, none of us are perfect.
A bit of self reflection is always a good start hound
Maybe you should try it.
That's where therapy is fails you hound, you know well that many others and myself admit mistakes we make, whereas you either keep digging or write a small novelette on why you were not wrong.
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Ah the "non profit" good law project again. They could do with sticking to things that matter - this isn't one of them.
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I find that a very strange post pud even from you, are you saying you are happy with the law not being applied equally?
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Mmmm, 2003. Anyway I think it it is good that people can laugh at themselves from time to time.
speaking from experience there hound?
Yep, none of us are perfect.
A bit of self reflection is always a good start hound
Maybe you should try it.
That's where therapy is fails you hound, you know well that many others and myself admit mistakes we make, whereas you either keep digging or write a small novelette on why you were not wrong.
You are a very strange chap Syd.
Can you tell me where your last comment responds in any way to mine about people being able to laugh at themselves?
As is often the case you are rambling off at a tangent.
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I find that a very strange post pud even from you, are you saying you are happy with the law not being applied equally?
Read what it says, they're quite clear they didn't need one as they had enough, regardless why waste money and time on Boris Johnson now, he's gone and finished.
The good law project are a joke largely and a good way for those involved to earn a good living.
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I find that a very strange post pud even from you, are you saying you are happy with the law not being applied equally?
Read what it says, they're quite clear they didn't need one as they had enough, regardless why waste money and time on Boris Johnson now, he's gone and finished.
The good law project are a joke largely and a good way for those involved to earn a good living.
Did you mean to post a link BFYP - I can't see one?
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Post 59.
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Ta, not really that interesting.
I like the work they (TGLP) have done on awarding of government contracts to their mates, that is proper investigation into (mis)use of £millions of public money, but other than that not really up on what they are doing.
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I find that a very strange post pud even from you, are you saying you are happy with the law not being applied equally?
Read what it says, they're quite clear they didn't need one as they had enough, regardless why waste money and time on Boris Johnson now, he's gone and finished.
The good law project are a joke largely and a good way for those involved to earn a good living.
Ah you see pud, I hope you see it the same way if you or your family are charged when others are not for the same offence, it goes to the heart of what I've saying and shown to be correct about the Met.
''Ah the "non profit" good law project again. They could do with sticking to things that matter - this isn't one of them''
What could possibly matter more, especially at a time when a corrupt government is in place.
You heard it here first, pud is happy to have one law for the rich and another for everyone else.
You've missed the principle point pud, application of the law equally no matter one's station, it's just a bonus if it helps remove johnson from parliament and from sucking on the public teat.