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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: scawsby steve on July 27, 2022, 05:52:03 pm
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Labour front bencher sacked by Keith for appearing on a picket line.
Are you Labour supporters seriously going to vote for this centrist, liberalist bloke masquerading as a Labour leader?
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Interesting to see heads rolling for this, and not the racism that the party is riddled with as outlined in the Forde report.
Don't vote Labour.
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So the silent knight sacks the transport minister for siding with transport workers on the picket....this is getting unreal now!
Enemy of the working class is Keith, opposing trade union activities in support of basic rights to defend against low wages in a cost of living crisis....embarrassing!
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After Rachel "dull as dogshit" Reeves ruled out public ownership yesterday, the TUC put this on twitter;
https://twitter.com/The_TUC/status/1551500637787095041
Only going downhill for Keith and Rachel from here.
Get Mick Lynch or Eddie Dempsey in asap and let Keith join the Tories FFS.
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Haven't seen any actual footage but reports suggest it was more for comments made in an interview at the event rather than the actual appearance?
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Haven't seen any actual footage but reports suggest it was more for comments made in an interview at the event rather than the actual appearance?
Here you go
https://youtu.be/JKuWrE5ne0s
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Haven't seen any actual footage but reports suggest it was more for comments made in an interview at the event rather than the actual appearance?
Doesn't alter the fact that Keith's anti-Trade Union and anti-working class.
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A new low when you thought it was impossible to sink any lower Keith finds a way .
The remarkable thing about this is that Keith has absolutely no idea he's on the wrong side of this and public opinion is with the RMT and the greater Trade Union movement .
Instead of feeding off this energy and using it to attack the government but Keith can't see it because he's from another planet called " out of touch , metropolitan and graduate class feck wit "
This is the real tragedy here , there's a huge opportunity to bring huge numbers of working class people behind the Labour Movement and the unity that offers and Keith can't even see it .
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Yet another case of Starmer ignoring his traditional voters in pursuit of Daily Heil readers who are never going to vote for him. Madness.
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Yet another case of Starmer ignoring his traditional voters in pursuit of Daily Heil readers who are never going to vote for him. Madness.
He's completely spineless Wilts and the Labour Party need to get rid and get rid now .
There's a window of opportunity opened up for Labour , almost a perfect storm given the inadequacies of the Tories and the current events playing out and Keith could very well feck this up .
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Unbelievable that Starmer should go down that route.
Noticeable that certain posters are missing from this thread.
It will be interesting to read how they can put any positive spin on this for the Labour Party.
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This is his problem but I think he's being clever. Labour types won't like it but they'll vote labour anyway, it's the rest he has to appeal to and this could help that. Noteworthy he hasn't at all said what rise labour would propose because they know they couldn't stick to it financially if they got power.
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Unbelievable that Starmer should go down that route.
Noticeable that certain posters are missing from this thread.
It will be interesting to read how they can put any positive spin on this for the Labour Party.
Sydney'll be on soon, spouting wind and p*ss about us all supposedly being Tories, and not addressing the issues of this thread in any way shape or form.
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This is his problem but I think he's being clever. Labour types won't like it but they'll vote labour anyway, it's the rest he has to appeal to and this could help that. Noteworthy he hasn't at all said what rise labour would propose because they know they couldn't stick to it financially if they got power.
The days when the Labour Party could take its historical vote for granted are long gone .
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This is his problem but I think he's being clever. Labour types won't like it but they'll vote labour anyway, it's the rest he has to appeal to and this could help that. Noteworthy he hasn't at all said what rise labour would propose because they know they couldn't stick to it financially if they got power.
Labour types don't always vote Labour anyway. Look what happened in the North and North-East last time.
Keith needs to be careful.
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This is his problem but I think he's being clever. Labour types won't like it but they'll vote labour anyway, it's the rest he has to appeal to and this could help that. Noteworthy he hasn't at all said what rise labour would propose because they know they couldn't stick to it financially if they got power.
Labour types don't always vote Labour anyway. Look what happened in the North and North-East last time.
Keith needs to be careful.
Are you suggesting that because the current leader of the Labour Party has sacked someone who went on a picket line people will now vote instead for a party that wants to ban all strikes?
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Yet another case of Starmer ignoring his traditional voters in pursuit of Daily Heil readers who are never going to vote for him. Madness.
He's completely spineless Wilts and the Labour Party need to get rid and get rid now .
There's a window of opportunity opened up for Labour , almost a perfect storm given the inadequacies of the Tories and the current events playing out and Keith could very well feck this up .
I am more and more convinced that PR is they way to go - then people can vote for someone who actually stands on their principles.
This idea of the Labour Party being a broad church and full of people with nothing whatsoever in common with one another should be shunted off back into the 20th century where it belongs. And we should have an electoral sytem fit for the 21st century where your representative represents you and your views (if there are enough of them with a similar mind).
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This is his problem but I think he's being clever. Labour types won't like it but they'll vote labour anyway, it's the rest he has to appeal to and this could help that. Noteworthy he hasn't at all said what rise labour would propose because they know they couldn't stick to it financially if they got power.
Labour types don't always vote Labour anyway. Look what happened in the North and North-East last time.
Keith needs to be careful.
Are you suggesting that because the current leader of the Labour Party has sacked someone who went on a picket line people will now vote instead for a party that wants to ban all strikes?
I think a good number of people especially in currently active trade unions probably won't vote for anybody at all Wilts .
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Yet another case of Starmer ignoring his traditional voters in pursuit of Daily Heil readers who are never going to vote for him. Madness.
He's completely spineless Wilts and the Labour Party need to get rid and get rid now .
There's a window of opportunity opened up for Labour , almost a perfect storm given the inadequacies of the Tories and the current events playing out and Keith could very well feck this up .
I am more and more convinced that PR is they way to go - then people can vote for someone who actually stands on their principles.
This idea of the Labour Party being a broad church and full of people with nothing whatsoever in common with one another should be shunted off back into the 20th century where it belongs. And we should have an electoral sytem fit for the 21st century where your representative represents you and your views (if there are enough of them with a similar mind).
Totally agree .
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The Labour Party would be a real threat if they got Mick Lynch on board, he is somebody who is really admired . Comes across as a world class Leader!
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The Labour Party would be a real threat if they got Mick Lynch on board, he is somebody who is really admired . Comes across as a world class Leader!
There's absolutely nothing going on in the Labour Party that could even entice Mick Lynch to become so much as a grass roots member never mind joining the hierarchy .
The RMT disconnected it's self from the Labour Party years ago .
Trade Unions don't actually need the Labour Party today , they are perfectly capable of representing their members effectively without them .
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So the silent knight sacks the transport minister for siding with transport workers on the picket....this is getting unreal now!
Enemy of the working class is Keith, opposing trade union activities in support of basic rights to defend against low wages in a cost of living crisis....embarrassing!
Nice story Albie and of course it fits your agenda.
Except that's not the reason he was sacked is it?
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Hugely disappointed with this!
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Filo
Read into the story. There's a lot more to it. He has NOT been sacked for joining a picket line, despite what some folk on here want to be the case.
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That’s right, he was sacked for speaking up for working people.
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"This isn't about appearing on a picket line. Members of the frontbench sign up to collective responsibility. That includes media appearances being approved and speaking to agreed frontbench positions.
But believe what you will.
And I’m not a Labour supporter.
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Interesting to see heads rolling for this, and not the racism that the party is riddled with as outlined in the Forde report.
Don't vote Labour.
Did the racists join the party when Starmer was elected MM?
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Yet another case of Starmer ignoring his traditional voters in pursuit of Daily Heil readers who are never going to vote for him. Madness.
He's completely spineless Wilts and the Labour Party need to get rid and get rid now .
There's a window of opportunity opened up for Labour , almost a perfect storm given the inadequacies of the Tories and the current events playing out and Keith could very well feck this up .
This is where you have your head on backwards tyke, not that you do anything remotely political ( the tv remote maybe) you should going after Shatts for not stepping in and sorting the problem, this is the fight the tory government have been praying for, the wedge.
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Unbelievable that Starmer should go down that route.
Noticeable that certain posters are missing from this thread.
It will be interesting to read how they can put any positive spin on this for the Labour Party.
Sydney'll be on soon, spouting wind and p*ss about us all supposedly being Tories, and not addressing the issues of this thread in any way shape or form.
Just tell me you haven't been sitting in a chair in front of the tv for the past 20 years Steve, hehe
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After Rachel "dull as dogshit" Reeves ruled out public ownership yesterday, the TUC put this on twitter;
https://twitter.com/The_TUC/status/1551500637787095041
Only going downhill for Keith and Rachel from here.
Get Mick Lynch or Eddie Dempsey in asap and let Keith join the Tories FFS.
Albie you are so naive
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I thought Lynch was a bit smarter than this, unless of course it's a double bluff on his part.
''Lynch also said he would campaign for the Trades Union Congress to call a general strike if Liz Truss became prime minister in September and pressed ahead with anti-union plans''
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Labour front bencher sacked by Keith for appearing on a picket line.
Are you Labour supporters seriously going to vote for this centrist, liberalist bloke masquerading as a Labour leader?
''Responding to his dismissal, Mr Tarry - a supporter of the former leader Jeremy Corbyn - thanked Sir Keir for "the last two and a half years" on the front bench, but said it was "a real shame" he had been removed for "joining a picket line''''
You and Tarry and others don't even understand why he was sacked from the front bench, Steve aye?
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This is potentially a very clever move by Starmer. He’s hoping the die hard Labour supporters will vote Labour no matter what. With the current situation with the Tories he’s probably right
He’s hoping to appeal to the others who aren’t devoted to a party and maybe pull some of the first time tories back to Labour.
Personally I can’t see it but it could be a way of attracting votes
For me he’s Tony Blair 2
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This is potentially a very clever move by Starmer. He’s hoping the die hard Labour supporters will vote Labour no matter what. With the current situation with the Tories he’s probably right
He’s hoping to appeal to the others who aren’t devoted to a party and maybe pull some of the first time tories back to Labour.
Personally I can’t see it but it could be a way of attracting votes
For me he’s Tony Blair 2
A straw poll on this very thread tells me that lapsed/potential labour supporters at the first stroke attack the very party the only party that could rid the country of this corrupt government, instead of going after the party that engineered the conditions.
Instead of being smart and supporting a party that could possible change the government and then change the voting system, (something the tories would least want) which would allow them to go on their merry way and form various parties all across the land, they attack a leader that was democratically elected. How's that for not accepting a vote?
The 'bring back the triple lock' party
'Don't touch my pension' party
'I'm more working class than you' party
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Yet another case of Starmer ignoring his traditional voters in pursuit of Daily Heil readers who are never going to vote for him. Madness.
He's completely spineless Wilts and the Labour Party need to get rid and get rid now .
There's a window of opportunity opened up for Labour , almost a perfect storm given the inadequacies of the Tories and the current events playing out and Keith could very well feck this up .
This is where you have your head on backwards tyke, not that you do anything remotely political ( the tv remote maybe) you should going after Shatts for not stepping in and sorting the problem, this is the fight the tory government have been praying for, the wedge.
that "could be true" but yesterdays "choreographed self destruct action " by Tarry (Corbinjobite & x-shop steward) makes one ask how long will Starmer tarry on as leader ...
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Yet another case of Starmer ignoring his traditional voters in pursuit of Daily Heil readers who are never going to vote for him. Madness.
He's completely spineless Wilts and the Labour Party need to get rid and get rid now .
There's a window of opportunity opened up for Labour , almost a perfect storm given the inadequacies of the Tories and the current events playing out and Keith could very well feck this up .
This is where you have your head on backwards tyke, not that you do anything remotely political ( the tv remote maybe) you should going after Shatts for not stepping in and sorting the problem, this is the fight the tory government have been praying for, the wedge.
that "could be true" but yesterdays "choreographed self destruct action " by Tarry (Corbinjobite & x-shop steward) makes one ask how long will Starmer tarry on as leader ...
'Staged' is likely correct although if you thought he was trying oust Starmer he wouldn't have thanked him?
'' thanked Sir Keir for "the last two and a half years" on the front bench, but said it was "a real shame" he had been removed for "joining a picket line".
And again he is either incorrect as to the reason he was sacked or wanted to spin it to gain support for his position within the left and or course his own seat. Neither of which do I have a problem with, provided it is part of a well thought plan to achieve better pay and conditions and also rid the country of a corrupt government.
I just hope this is not giving the tory government exactly what they need right now.
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BST,
Well that didn't take long. Sydney's comments I can understand, because he's as daft as a f*cking brush; but I honestly thought you were politically smarter than this.
You KNOW that Starmer's a metropolitan elitist, with no understanding of working class people. You KNOW he's done a complete U turn on public ownership. You KNOW he's not given the slightest inkling on what he'd do about the cost of living crisis, or the economy. You KNOW that his lack of support for Trade Unions is about to cost the Labour Party millions of pounds in lost funding. You KNOW that Labour is only ahead in the polls because of how atrocious the Tory Party is; you've admitted yourself that opposition parties don't win elections, governments lose them.
Now, could you please list carefully the things that convince you, to the point of tribal partisanship, that this bloke's a good Labour leader, and will make a good Prime Minister.
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Steve all you have to do is offer a/some solutions and forecast what your plan of action is or what it will lead to, you are going to actually do something, no?
Please name your replacement leader and please tell me you have asked him or her first.
regards piss and wind
PS there is a tired corrupt government completely out of ideas and there is a grave danger of awakening the rest of the sleepy tories, in your own time.
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Filo
Read into the story. There's a lot more to it. He has NOT been sacked for joining a picket line, despite what some folk on here want to be the case.
The Labour Party came about because of the oppression of the Labour Movement (working man), an MP wether being in the left or on the right of the party should be allowed to express his solidarity with the working man, this decision is like shooting themselves in the foot, the Tory’s are in chaos and Labour just keep on making life difficult for themselves. As a trade unionist I can’t and won’t support this action!
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Agree Filo, the problem is the current Labour Party is Labour in name only
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So the silent knight sacks the transport minister for siding with transport workers on the picket....this is getting unreal now!
Enemy of the working class is Keith, opposing trade union activities in support of basic rights to defend against low wages in a cost of living crisis....embarrassing!
Nice story Albie and of course it fits your agenda.
Except that's not the reason he was sacked is it?
BST,
Priceless, that is....coming from you!
The idea that Tarry was sacked for not observing "collective responsibility" is completely for the birds.
Issued as a belated response from Labour HQ after he was sacked, it came after the fact, when lobby hacks were reporting it as a breach of Keith's loony no picketing instructions, and a rebuke for supporting inflation linked wage rises.
Jessica Elgot of the Guardian;
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1552339295582752768
As Tarry is a TU member, sponsored and nominated as a union MP, he was simply doing what ALL Labour MP's should, supporting the RMT against the government. It is the function of the opposition to oppose.
All the more hypocritical because Reeves has twice breached Labour policy in recent days.
Firstly, she spoke to media on LGTB rights, giving a personal opinion......then she followed up with the complete farce of Labour's position on nationalisation, changing the stance 3 times in a few hours.
Reeves has NOT been sacked by Keith.
Syd,
"Naive" eh!
Been called some things in my time, but that is not one of them!
I would say reading that TUC tweet and not seeing the meaning of it was pretty naive.
What percentage of Labour funding comes from the TUC, remind me?
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Albie,
What you are seeing on this thread is a microcosm of what is happening with the Labour Party as a whole. On One side are people with principles like yourself, Tyke and Filo who stand for a principled belief in support for the worker and the other side that lacks any such principles and are more interested in getting power
Has to be reconciled as what good is power without principals or principles without power?
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I thought Lynch was a bit smarter than this, unless of course it's a double bluff on his part.
''Lynch also said he would campaign for the Trades Union Congress to call a general strike if Liz Truss became prime minister in September and pressed ahead with anti-union plans''
Syd, does he see himself has this generations Scargill? Trying to bring down the government
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Albie,
What you are seeing on this thread is a microcosm of what is happening with the Labour Party as a whole. On One side are people with principles like yourself, Tyke and Filo who stand for a principled belief in support for the worker and the other side that lacks any such principles and are more interested in getting power
To be fair, you can have principles but jot be rooted in glorious defeat. We need the tories out, my concern is that Keir is not the guy to rally the masses. Personally, I'd like Andy Burnham to return from his sabbatical in MCR
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Well, I have seen a token response from bst, pointing out something that Noel had already highlighted.
Nothing else from him says volumes.
I have seen some pathetic deflection attempts by Syd including one to SS where he suggests that he should personally ask a potential new leader if they would want the job.
(Not totally unexpected from Syd though).
Filo and albie have put forward much more reasoned views and it would appear that Starmer, and Reeves, are on a downward spiral.
I have no doubt that bst, Syd and some others on here will support Starmer until he is gone.
They did so with Corbyn and once he had been given the boot they were quick to condemn him and i expect that to be the case with Starmer.
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Albie,
What you are seeing on this thread is a microcosm of what is happening with the Labour Party as a whole. On One side are people with principles like yourself, Tyke and Filo who stand for a principled belief in support for the worker and the other side that lacks any such principles and are more interested in getting power
To be fair, you can have principles but jot be rooted in glorious defeat. We need the tories out, my concern is that Keir is not the guy to rally the masses. Personally, I'd like Andy Burnham to return from his sabbatical in MCR
I think that is my position also
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Albie,
What you are seeing on this thread is a microcosm of what is happening with the Labour Party as a whole. On One side are people with principles like yourself, Tyke and Filo who stand for a principled belief in support for the worker and the other side that lacks any such principles and are more interested in getting power
To be fair, you can have principles but jot be rooted in glorious defeat. We need the tories out, my concern is that Keir is not the guy to rally the masses. Personally, I'd like Andy Burnham to return from his sabbatical in MCR
I think that is my position also
And I don’t think I could argue it Filo / RTR
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Syd,
"Naive" eh!
Been called some things in my time, but that is not one of them!
I would say reading that TUC tweet and not seeing the meaning of it was pretty naive.
What percentage of Labour funding comes from the TUC, remind me?
ST would have known all the rules and appears to have gone out of his way to make a stance, as I said to Steve, I don't have problems with any of this, a party has rules and if you knowingly break them you suffer the consequences. Look at the OP look at your post, you were both incorrect. Take a step back and look at the mess corbyn left the party in, the worst defeat since when, and all the problems that cost time and money to fix.
You are naive if you think all this can be fixed and take government by someone as left as corbyn. I keep asking you and others for your successor and your game plan but you go quiet.
This is sounding very much like a 3/4th tier football forum
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Syd,
"Naive" eh!
Been called some things in my time, but that is not one of them!
I would say reading that TUC tweet and not seeing the meaning of it was pretty naive.
What percentage of Labour funding comes from the TUC, remind me?
ST would have known all the rules and appears to have gone out of his way to make a stance, as I said to Steve, I don't have problems with any of this, a party has rules and if you knowingly break them you suffer the consequences. Look at the OP look at your post, you were both incorrect. Take a step back and look at the mess corbyn left the party in, the worst defeat since when, and all the problems that cost time and money to fix.
You are naive if you think all this can be fixed and take government by someone as left as corbyn. I keep asking you and others for your successor and your game plan but you go quiet.
This is sounding very much like a 3/4th tier football forum
Syd, as I have already said, you are condemning Corbyn now but fully supported him when he was your leader.
You will do the same with Starmer.
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I thought Lynch was a bit smarter than this, unless of course it's a double bluff on his part.
''Lynch also said he would campaign for the Trades Union Congress to call a general strike if Liz Truss became prime minister in September and pressed ahead with anti-union plans''
Syd, does he see himself has this generations Scargill? Trying to bring down the government
I'm not sure what he sees himself as, I would have thought that you wouldn't go out of your way to pick a fight you can't be sure of winning.
If this is the end game and neither of us know, then it will fire up the tory party to back the leader and the yellow press already rabidly against labour will go OTT
This government is on the way out, my thinking is not to get in the way. You are going to have to name your replacement leader to make any sense Ldr. If you don't think Starmer is up to it and make sure that person is available and can do it. What is your game plan beyond someone else striking?
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Looking from the outside in with regards to Labour Syd someone like Raynor or Phillips would appeal to me and increase my likelyhood of suppprting Labour. I think both are principled and not afraid to voice it. If Starmer goes thought I think that Raynor would be dragged down though too be association
Lynch I think would want someone more to the left so maybe Nandy?
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The point that's missed though is labour want to position as fiscally responsible. They want to run day to day spending without huge borrowing and they want to maintain/increase services. None of that is compatible with pay rises that stay aligned with inflation so they cannot possibly support the calls for big pay rises. They have a real problem that they can't necessarily meet all of the promises and things they've called for. You could argue they should look more short term and keep promising.
However, Starmer still should not have sacked the guy. Interesting dynamic that he is supposedly the boyfriend of his deputy.....
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The point that's missed though is labour want to position as fiscally responsible. They want to run day to day spending without huge borrowing and they want to maintain/increase services. None of that is compatible with pay rises that stay aligned with inflation so they cannot possibly support the calls for big pay rises. They have a real problem that they can't necessarily meet all of the promises and things they've called for. You could argue they should look more short term and keep promising.
However, Starmer still should not have sacked the guy. Interesting dynamic that he is supposedly the boyfriend of his deputy.....
The sacking would not have gone ahead without the deputies knowledge (not after previous stuff ups) so there must have been agreement.
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Looking from the outside in with regards to Labour Syd someone like Raynor or Phillips would appeal to me and increase my likelyhood of suppprting Labour. I think both are principled and not afraid to voice it. If Starmer goes thought I think that Raynor would be dragged down though too be association
Lynch I think would want someone more to the left so maybe Nandy?
With respect Ldr you should have your plan and successor nailed down before you start the revolution, this ain't 'Tenable"
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Albie,
What you are seeing on this thread is a microcosm of what is happening with the Labour Party as a whole. On One side are people with principles like yourself, Tyke and Filo who stand for a principled belief in support for the worker and the other side that lacks any such principles and are more interested in getting power
To be fair, you can have principles but jot be rooted in glorious defeat. We need the tories out, my concern is that Keir is not the guy to rally the masses. Personally, I'd like Andy Burnham to return from his sabbatical in MCR
I think that is my position also
I'd agree too with Burnham.
But that's not happening this side of a General Election. So you play the hand you've got.
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Even Abbott is wading in on Keith.... posted a pic on her twitter feed showing Stumbler on a picket line 3 years ago...
(https://image.gbnews.uk/344915.jpg?imageId=344915&width=706&height=403)
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Remind me MM, was that before 12 Dec 2019 or after?
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Even Abbott is wading in on Keith.... posted a pic on her twitter feed showing Stumbler on a picket line 3 years ago...
(https://image.gbnews.uk/344915.jpg?imageId=344915&width=706&height=403)
And once again. That's not the issue.
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The unions seem to think it is.
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Albie,
What you are seeing on this thread is a microcosm of what is happening with the Labour Party as a whole. On One side are people with principles like yourself, Tyke and Filo who stand for a principled belief in support for the worker and the other side that lacks any such principles and are more interested in getting power
To be fair, you can have principles but jot be rooted in glorious defeat. We need the tories out, my concern is that Keir is not the guy to rally the masses. Personally, I'd like Andy Burnham to return from his sabbatical in MCR
I think that is my position also
I'd agree too with Burnham.
But that's not happening this side of a General Election. So you play the hand you've got.
wilts i checked the best odds for a labour victory at the next general election and the very best was 11/10 - I have money on "Burnham Beeches" at very big odds to succeed Stamen as leader so need to keep him in power til Burnham gets a seat
Glad to see you have all "eventually" come around to my way of thinking
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Interesting to see people who support the party that wishes to curb trade union rights attacking the Labour Party for not standing up for trade unions.
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Interesting to see people who support the party that wishes to curb trade union rights attacking the Labour Party for not standing up for trade unions.
It’s a funny old world
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The head of BT Philip Jansen was paid £3,500,000 last year (up 32%).
When asked if he would increase pay to frontline staff, he replied:
“Why would I do that?”
He later added:
“I understand completely how people feel in the country given the squeeze on income.”
https://twitter.com/The_TUC/status/1552606565844369410
Vote Tory.
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Sam Tarry is f**king tool. In the process of being deselected by his own constituency party down here so is doing this to try and cling on. He can f**k off.
Whether Keir is the man to take Labour to victory at the next GE, I'm not sure. Tbh I don't think he is going to have to do much to beat this shower of shite who have run the country into the ground once against but he's such a wet blanket who knows...
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Sam Tarry is f**king tool. In the process of being deselected by his own constituency party down here so is doing this to try and cling on. He can f**k off.
Whether Keir is the man to take Labour to victory at the next GE, I'm not sure. Tbh I don't think he is going to have to do much to beat this shower of shite who have run the country into the ground once against but he's such a wet blanket who knows...
Sam Tarry is f**king tool. In the process of being deselected by his own constituency party down here so is doing this to try and cling on. He can f**k off.
Whether Keir is the man to take Labour to victory at the next GE, I'm not sure. Tbh I don't think he is going to have to do much to beat this shower of shite who have run the country into the ground once against but he's such a wet blanket who knows...
This. All of it.
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Keith Starmer and number 7 on his 10 pledges he made when standing for the Labour leadership .
No.7 - Strengthening Workers Rights And Trade Unions .
" Work shoulder to shoulder with Trade Unions to stand up for working people and tackle insecure work and low pay , repel the Trade Union Act and oppose Tory attacks from the Right to take industrial action and the weakening of workplace rights .
Signed
Keir Starmer .
And yet many including some on this board wonder why there is so much anger and frustration with the Labour leader .
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Oh dear, Syd!
"ST would have known all the rules and appears to have gone out of his way to make a stance, as I said to Steve, I don't have problems with any of this, a party has rules and if you knowingly break them you suffer the consequences"......Tarry was interviewed on a picket line, and said he supported wage increases to keep pace with living costs.
Rachel Reeves is still in post, despite going against policy on 2 separate issues in recent days, with a complete nonsense interview on the Today programme on R4. "Collective responsibility" has to apply to all, not just some.
Now that Starmer bloke going off script at the Labour Conference and calling for a Peoples Vote without approval WAS going too far, I agree.
To avoid doubt, I have no problem with people taking a personal view that differs from party policy, as long as the difference is made clear.
"Look at the OP, you were both incorrect"...err no, the story was reported as a picket line appearance breach.
Labour then tried to re-write the story after it broke, with the CR line. Horse had bolted before the stable door was locked. Very poor comms from Labour HQ.
"Take a step back and look at the mess Corbyn left the party in, the worst defeat since when, and all the problems that cost time and money to fix".....you still have not read the Forde Report, have you?
If you had read it, you would not be repeating this drivel while Keith bankrupts Labour, losing funds and paying damages to people who had no basis for the claims they made.
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I'd just like to add that if Truss is successful and becomes PM she's hell bent on weakening the rights of Trade Unions as if they aren't weakened enough .
She's spoiling for a fight and many of us are old enough to remember a Tory female PM with the same agenda .
This isn't just a few random outbreaks of industrial action across a few sectors .
These disputes go way way deeper than that , basically working rights and pay can go tickle because coroporate pay , profiteering and shareholder dividends aren't getting cut anytime soon for no fecker .
What we have here is a good old fashioned " class war " , nothing more and nothing less .
Given the make up of the Labour Party today it's no surprise to see they simply do not get it .
Evil prevails when good people do nothing .
The only question remaining is are the current Labour Party good people or are they cut from the same cloth as those across the house .
It's a fecking tragedy that I don't know anymore .
A fecking class war and Labour turn their backs on the very people they are supposed to represent .
I'll say one thing about the Tories , at least you know them for the bstrds they are and know where you stand .
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It doesn't need Truss in Tyke - Johnson has already passed a law allowing companies to bring in agency workers to break strikes.
He did it last week - and nobody mentioned it.
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The unions seem to think it is.
So do some Labour supporters on here too.
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Is it a surprise that the Labour party have gone further right when the majority of the country voted for a right wing government in 2019? They're just appealing to the masses by being indifferent to unions and being financially conservative. It's not going to help the country short or long term but it's the popular choice apparently.
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The Guardian are reporting tonight that up to 70 Labour MP's are set to join picket lines over the coming days and weeks .
This would appear to be a clear message to the Labour leadership and at least one current Shadow Minister is apparently one of them .
Trouble brewing for Keith possibly and a challenge to his authority .
The current Tory leadership contest may not be the only one we will see before the summer is out .
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Is it a surprise that the Labour party have gone further right when the majority of the country voted for a right wing government in 2019? They're just appealing to the masses by being indifferent to unions and being financially conservative. It's not going to help the country short or long term but it's the popular choice apparently.
DO, one or two posters may disagree the the majority of the country voted for a right wing government.
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You need to get real Albie, all this mess came from the previous leader and I keep saying I would vote labour over the tories any day of the week. All this turmoil about antisemitism, brexit and a massive loss 12/2019.
The king is dead, long live the king.
Stop moaning and carping lay your plan out for a win at the polls and name your new leader.
The thing is you don't have a plan do you, only complaints.
I'll support the next leader too over the tories and will keep doing that while labour is left of them no matter how large or small.
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One last point Albie, the thing is, not having a left labour government would never be down to me, your fight is with those on this thread and others that didn't vote labour, that's the reason for this tory government.
Please tell me you voted labour yourself at the 2019 election Albie?
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Is it a surprise that the Labour party have gone further right when the majority of the country voted for a right wing government in 2019? They're just appealing to the masses by being indifferent to unions and being financially conservative. It's not going to help the country short or long term but it's the popular choice apparently.
I guess that question and others goes to some of those on this thread, where did they place their vote? did they not vote at all, not vote for labour or even vote tory?
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Like listening to an old AM radio signal, crakels and farts from miles away and totally illegible.
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Like listening to an old AM radio signal, crakels and farts from miles away and totally illegible.
I guess the worlds changed to internet radio while you're still working who to vote for dd
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Shell and Centrica making Keith look an even bigger pillock than he is .
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Shell and Centrica making Keith look an even bigger pillock than he is .
I doubt labour HQ will be putting the champagne on ice just yet tyke, they can't be certain you won't jump on board the next crackpot tory idea, hehe
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I don't see this guy as doing anything wrong being on a picket line, what he has done is do something positive which is against Labour's present policy of sitting back, do nothing, say nothing controversial, and just criticize everything the Conservatives do and say.
The lack of any alternatives until a conservative policy is announced is the only tactic they have employed since Johnson took office, they have no alternative policy they just snipe away at everything the government do.
The silence is deafening at times, helped by the BBC narrative, with the opportunities that have been presented to them on a plate, they have been absolutely very poor, they have let the Liberal Party steal a lot of their thunder when it comes to policy as an alternative to the Tories, and their spokespersons in the media have the charisma of a bottle of pop.
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There was a bloke who used to stand near us at Belle Vue back in the day. He used to constantly shout "Shoot! Shoot!" whenever a Rovers player had the ball in front of goal. If the player actually did shoot, and subsequently missed, the bloke used to shout "Why didn't he pass?"
I often wonder what happened to him. In fact, I have a theory. Does anyone know if Keir Starmer used to watch Rovers at Belle Vue?
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Starmer supports Arsenal, whereas johnson supported from the rear and then ran to the front, but it fooled plenty.
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In light of recent posts its worth posting this again:
Interesting to see people who support the party that wishes to curb trade union rights attacking the Labour Party for not standing up for trade unions.
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Starmer supports Arsenal, whereas johnson supported from the rear and then ran to the front, but it fooled plenty.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9787736/jeremy-corbyn-grew-up-supporting-wolves-before-switching-to-arsenal-when-he-moved-to-london/
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Liz Truss supported Leeds before switching to Norwich when she moved to Norfolk.
On the LBC hustings last night
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Liz Truss supported Leeds before switching to Norwich when she moved to Norfolk.
On the LBC hustings last night
out of interest i checked out the "non existent options" in Norfolk "Norfolk In Chance" she could have picked any other King's Lynn are the 2nd highest rated team ....
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Shell and Centrica making Keith look an even bigger pillock than he is .
Dig in to the detail and you'll see there is much more to it than the headlines suggest for centrica. Supply to customers through British gas is making them not a huge amount in % terms, something like £6 a customer (varies depending on metric used but all small).
They have benefitted from high prices in some ways but dig deeper and they've booked a huge exceptional provision for onerous contracts. That's not positive for them in terms of future cash flows but should keep their profits stable (note a statutory loss in excess of £1bn).
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Former Shadow Chancellor on the error by Starmer in not supporting trade unions;
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2022/july/25/john-mcdonnell-calls-out-keir-starmer
Hard to disagree with that!
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Liz Truss supported Leeds before switching to Norwich when she moved to Norfolk.
On the LBC hustings last night
out of interest i checked out the "non existent options" in Norfolk "Norfolk In Chance" she could have picked any other King's Lynn are the 2nd highest rated team ....
I left Doncaster in 1987. I never changed my team.
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Shell and Centrica making Keith look an even bigger pillock than he is .
Dig in to the detail and you'll see there is much more to it than the headlines suggest for centrica. Supply to customers through British gas is making them not a huge amount in % terms, something like £6 a customer (varies depending on metric used but all small).
They have benefitted from high prices in some ways but dig deeper and they've booked a huge exceptional provision for onerous contracts. That's not positive for them in terms of future cash flows but should keep their profits stable (note a statutory loss in excess of £1bn).
News today that the FTSE 100 is set to break all records for dividend payouts this year £85,000,000,000 - with share buy-backs adding a further £36,700,000,000.
Some people are doing extremly well out of this crises. Forgive my lack of tears for Centrica.
https://twitter.com/FromSteveHowell/status/1552977689933451265
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Liz Truss supported Leeds before switching to Norwich when she moved to Norfolk.
On the LBC hustings last night
out of interest i checked out the "non existent options" in Norfolk "Norfolk In Chance" she could have picked any other King's Lynn are the 2nd highest rated team ....
I left Doncaster in 1987. I never changed my team.
There are a few Man Utd and Man City fans among the Tory fold, who claim to be true Mancs.
Corbyn Monoxide supported Wolves until he moved to London and then he supported the Gunners, along with his trusted mate Starmer.
I wonder if they claim to be true Arses?
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In light of recent posts its worth posting this again:
Interesting to see people who support the party that wishes to curb trade union rights attacking the Labour Party for not standing up for trade unions.
I was puzzled when you first posted this, Wilts, because I'm not sure who you're referring to here. Most of us attacking Keith on this thread are either ex-Labour voters who won't vote for them while Keith is the leader, or people who won't vote because all the choices are useless.
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In light of recent posts its worth posting this again:
Interesting to see people who support the party that wishes to curb trade union rights attacking the Labour Party for not standing up for trade unions.
I was puzzled when you first posted this, Wilts, because I'm not sure who you're referring to here. Most of us attacking Keith on this thread are either ex-Labour voters who won't vote for them while Keith is the leader, or people who won't vote because all the choices are useless.
I am going by what people have said on other threads about their support for Johnston and the Tory Party. No need to name names - we have all read those threads.
These strikes are due entirely to the actions of the Tory government. I think some people are only attacking Labour because of their own shame in what they voted for.
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Let's face it, Wilts, going by what you have said on other threads, what you think is hardly tantamount to reality.
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Shell and Centrica making Keith look an even bigger pillock than he is .
Dig in to the detail and you'll see there is much more to it than the headlines suggest for centrica. Supply to customers through British gas is making them not a huge amount in % terms, something like £6 a customer (varies depending on metric used but all small).
They have benefitted from high prices in some ways but dig deeper and they've booked a huge exceptional provision for onerous contracts. That's not positive for them in terms of future cash flows but should keep their profits stable (note a statutory loss in excess of £1bn).
News today that the FTSE 100 is set to break all records for dividend payouts this year £85,000,000,000 - with share buy-backs adding a further £36,700,000,000.
Some people are doing extremly well out of this crises. Forgive my lack of tears for Centrica.
https://twitter.com/FromSteveHowell/status/1552977689933451265
Don't forget a lot of that is covid reversal. A lot of companies are essentially returning equity to shareholders for cash calls during covid, it's a big consideration and shouldn't be forgotten who subsidised much of private companies difficulties during covid.
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Shell and Centrica making Keith look an even bigger pillock than he is .
Dig in to the detail and you'll see there is much more to it than the headlines suggest for centrica. Supply to customers through British gas is making them not a huge amount in % terms, something like £6 a customer (varies depending on metric used but all small).
They have benefitted from high prices in some ways but dig deeper and they've booked a huge exceptional provision for onerous contracts. That's not positive for them in terms of future cash flows but should keep their profits stable (note a statutory loss in excess of £1bn).
News today that the FTSE 100 is set to break all records for dividend payouts this year £85,000,000,000 - with share buy-backs adding a further £36,700,000,000.
Some people are doing extremly well out of this crises. Forgive my lack of tears for Centrica.
https://twitter.com/FromSteveHowell/status/1552977689933451265
Don't forget a lot of that is covid reversal. A lot of companies are essentially returning equity to shareholders for cash calls during covid, it's a big consideration and shouldn't be forgotten who subsidised much of private companies difficulties during covid.
Yeh and it's a shame you failed to mention the staff who man the railway industry also stepped up during covid to keep services running often at great risk to their own health .
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Shell and Centrica making Keith look an even bigger pillock than he is .
Dig in to the detail and you'll see there is much more to it than the headlines suggest for centrica. Supply to customers through British gas is making them not a huge amount in % terms, something like £6 a customer (varies depending on metric used but all small).
They have benefitted from high prices in some ways but dig deeper and they've booked a huge exceptional provision for onerous contracts. That's not positive for them in terms of future cash flows but should keep their profits stable (note a statutory loss in excess of £1bn).
News today that the FTSE 100 is set to break all records for dividend payouts this year £85,000,000,000 - with share buy-backs adding a further £36,700,000,000.
Some people are doing extremly well out of this crises. Forgive my lack of tears for Centrica.
https://twitter.com/FromSteveHowell/status/1552977689933451265
Don't forget a lot of that is covid reversal. A lot of companies are essentially returning equity to shareholders for cash calls during covid, it's a big consideration and shouldn't be forgotten who subsidised much of private companies difficulties during covid.
Yeh and it's a shame you failed to mention the staff who man the railway industry also stepped up during covid to keep services running often at great risk to their own health .
As did people in many professions doesn't mean shareholders are not entitled to a return does it?
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Shell and Centrica making Keith look an even bigger pillock than he is .
Dig in to the detail and you'll see there is much more to it than the headlines suggest for centrica. Supply to customers through British gas is making them not a huge amount in % terms, something like £6 a customer (varies depending on metric used but all small).
They have benefitted from high prices in some ways but dig deeper and they've booked a huge exceptional provision for onerous contracts. That's not positive for them in terms of future cash flows but should keep their profits stable (note a statutory loss in excess of £1bn).
News today that the FTSE 100 is set to break all records for dividend payouts this year £85,000,000,000 - with share buy-backs adding a further £36,700,000,000.
Some people are doing extremly well out of this crises. Forgive my lack of tears for Centrica.
https://twitter.com/FromSteveHowell/status/1552977689933451265
Don't forget a lot of that is covid reversal. A lot of companies are essentially returning equity to shareholders for cash calls during covid, it's a big consideration and shouldn't be forgotten who subsidised much of private companies difficulties during covid.
Yeh and it's a shame you failed to mention the staff who man the railway industry also stepped up during covid to keep services running often at great risk to their own health .
As did people in many professions doesn't mean shareholders are not entitled to a return does it?
The staff who work on the railways are entitled to a cost of living pay increase that much I do know , they create the profit for dividends to be paid out .
However there's seems to be a link missing in this particular chain , bosses are getting their bonuses and top salary and shareholders getting decent dividends .
Meanwhile workers are getting poorer and passengers are getting ripped off .
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Let's face it, Wilts, going by what you have said on other threads, what you think is hardly tantamount to reality.
As I said. We can all read what they have written on other threads and then write in this one.
If you are saying that people have been lying - better take it up with them - I am just pointing out the obvious.
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/sacked-sam-tarry-says-he-absolutely-believes-sir-keir-starmer-should-become-pm/ar-AA1088rs?cvid=25c26897bbde4bf9a640a3b2a9d3e6f9
Sir Keir, who previously banned frontbenchers from joining picket lines, said Mr Tarry was sacked for booking himself onto media programmes without permission and making up policy “on the hoof”.
Mr Tarry also appeared alongside former party leader Jeremy Corbyn at a rally for striking BT workers on Friday.
The Labour MP for Ilford South said: “We should never have been in a situation where we had an edict that you can’t join a picket line.
“This is the Labour Party, the clue is in the name. and quite possibly the name of his constituency gives a clue to his current state of mind "Ill" as he goes "South" soon
“We are the party founded by the trade unions.”
He said the link between the union movement and the Labour Party is “indivisible” and “part of the same fabric”.
Mr Tarry added: “For me to be here is about showing that the Labour Party and a massive majority of Labour Party members and MPs do support the striking workers.”
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Did you post this from the picket lines CLH, is it busy down there?
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Did you post this from the picket lines CLH, is it busy down there?
busy ? don't you mean Buzby .. yes he was there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U67FuWUkO_Q
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That's a no then?
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Did you post this from the picket lines CLH, is it busy down there?
Bizarre post.
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Did you post this from the picket lines CLH, is it busy down there?
Bizarre post.
Bizarre poster.
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Sam Tarry is f**king tool. In the process of being deselected by his own constituency party down here so is doing this to try and cling on. He can f**k off.
Whether Keir is the man to take Labour to victory at the next GE, I'm not sure. Tbh I don't think he is going to have to do much to beat this shower of shite who have run the country into the ground once against but he's such a wet blanket who knows...
Didn't work. Deselection complete https://twitter.com/IlfordSouthCLP/status/1579583862329708544?s=20&t=E7VYI3LeEzMEnTzGg5c-XQ
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It's interesting reading about all the twists and turns that has led to Tarry being ousted Redroy, every local branch supported his deselection.
https://www.onlondon.co.uk/ilford-south-anger-in-the-undergrowth-as-redbridge-deputy-leader-enters-selection-fray/
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It suggests that Labour are not backing the unions.