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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: tyke1962 on August 13, 2022, 12:50:35 pm
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I'd like to see posters thoughts on the video in the link .
I'd especially like to see if posters believe these allegations are accurate and if they are what is it saying about the current Labour Party and it's leader .
https://youtu.be/tglgldqEHpE
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Interesting response. Is he now trying to do to KS what he is accusing others of doing to him
I can see that he will be a real pain to KS and he isn’t going away.
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Interesting response. Is he now trying to do to KS what he is accusing others of doing to him
I can see that he will be a real pain to KS and he isn’t going away.
It will be interesting to see whether those who supported Corbyn up to 2019, then denounced him as rubbish, will get behind him again because of Starmers failings.
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Internal Labour unease from black women about Keith and the racism outlined by Forde:
https://gal-dem.com/labour-members-keir-starmer-inaction-racism-forde/
Indecision and inaction are not viable strategies for resolving serious concerns like these.
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Internal Labour unease from black women about Keith and the racism outlined by Forde:
https://gal-dem.com/labour-members-keir-starmer-inaction-racism-forde/
Indecision and inaction are not viable strategies for resolving serious concerns like these.
“Starmer did what he always does, nothing”.
You have to laugh at the people who back this man as a potential future PM.
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BST and his mates on here would gush over Adolf Hitler if he led the Labour party.
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Interesting response. Is he now trying to do to KS what he is accusing others of doing to him
I can see that he will be a real pain to KS and he isn’t going away.
He’s a pain to everyone. The very essence of the man. A protest politician who will always find some cause or other to get his teeth into other than the ones that matter to most people.
Unfortunately, his legacy will be one of facilitating the most right wing UK government of modern times.
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BST and his mates on here would gush over Adolf Hitler if he led the Labour party.
I suggest you have a break. You've lost it.
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Internal Labour unease from black women about Keith and the racism outlined by Forde:
https://gal-dem.com/labour-members-keir-starmer-inaction-racism-forde/
Indecision and inaction are not viable strategies for resolving serious concerns like these.
The quotes from Labour MPs on here are hugely damning.
As a red wall voter I'm going to find it very difficult to vote for Keir Starmer as an individual to be PM - he comes across as a thoroughly reprehensible individual.
It amazes me that this story hasn't gained greater traction in the mainstream media - Dawn Butler for instance is a very prominent MP - esp given the way the issue of racism in society in recent times has been highlighted.
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Well ‘gal-dem’ isn’t exactly a mainstream periodical Branton.
While on, I think there’s going to be quite a choice of ‘reprehensible individuals’ for PM at the next General Election (whenever that is). Just like there was at the last one.
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The reason and the way Starmer got in power, what's been done in the Labour party since then, just shows what a sham, a fallacy our version of democracy is. "democracy" is the Prozac of the people.
This country needs such a radical change, JC is a relative Conservative.
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Corbyn eh? First 30 seconds talking about the Forde Report.
"It's an excellent, comprehensive report. But it's wrong on all the things that criticise me. Let me now talk about all the things that criticise everyone else."
He's an irrelevance, bleating from the sidelines, while writing the next chapter in the "The Left would have won if we'd not lost" age old conspiracy story.
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Interesting that half of the replies on this thread are from Tory/Johnson supporters.
Starmer wont be allowed to be PM because that would threaten too many established interests in business and society.
The higher his/Labour's poll ratings in the run-up to the GE - the more attacks on him there will be. To stop people voting Labour.
I dont think he is a particuarly good or effective leader but Starmer is as personaly responsible for problems in the current Labour Party as Corbyn was for the ones under him.
What the country needs is a proper PR system so you can vote for people who share you values - rather than moan about voting for people who dont.
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Corbyn eh? First 30 seconds talking about the Forde Report.
"It's an excellent, comprehensive report. But it's wrong on all the things that criticise me. Let me now talk about all the things that criticise everyone else."
He's an irrelevance, bleating from the sidelines, while writing the next chapter in the "The Left would have won if we'd not lost" age old conspiracy story.
Haven't you been openly criticising anyone on the left of the Labour party who aren't fully behind Starmer, yet you're writing off the report which shows that the right of the Labour party were sabotaging Labours chances of winning elections?
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No. He hasn't. Billy has offered reason and analysis as he always does.
BobG
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No. He hasn't. Billy has offered reason and analysis as he always does.
BobG
He hasn't been criticising people on the left? You're definitely wrong on that.
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He criticises by the use of analysis, reason and argument (in the academic sense of 'argument')
BobG
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He criticises by the use of analysis, reason and argument (in the academic sense of 'argument')
BobG
Sounds like confirmation bias to me.
BobG
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Corbyn had his chance and blew it, there's not a lot left to say just have to clean up the mess he left behind with johson helping all he can.
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Corbyn had his chance and blew it, there's not a lot left to say just have to clean up the mess he left behind with johson helping all he can.
Except he didn't get his chance did he because of the various plots within the Labour Party to undermine him in the hope he wouldn't win .
It's called treason Syd .
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Corbyn eh? First 30 seconds talking about the Forde Report.
"It's an excellent, comprehensive report. But it's wrong on all the things that criticise me. Let me now talk about all the things that criticise everyone else."
He's an irrelevance, bleating from the sidelines, while writing the next chapter in the "The Left would have won if we'd not lost" age old conspiracy story.
You're wrong, he's very relevant, has been for a good many years. Plenty won't touch Labour since the knives in the back display from his party. I'm surprised you aren't referring back to the Nazis and how Hitler affirmed his power.
Starmer, and the rest of the establishment bods are the ones who are irrelevant. Sorry, just is true.
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Corbyn had his chance and blew it, there's not a lot left to say just have to clean up the mess he left behind with johson helping all he can.
Except he didn't get his chance did he because of the various plots within the Labour Party to undermine him in the hope he wouldn't win .
It's called treason Syd .
tykey you're a plonka, if you don't have the required support from those in a team you move them on, put them out to grass, it's called management.
Sort of what Starmer is doing now.
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We have a report and direct quotes from Labour MPs that the potential next party of Government has a serious internal issue with racism including amongst senior officials still in post and that our potential next-but-one Prime Minister has done nothing about it.
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- practically zero on this from the mainstream media.
- this is brushed under the carpet and ignored by pro-Starmer posters on here.
Strange.
Perhaps there's some truth in BB's deliberately OTT quotation "BST and his mates on here would gush over Adolf Hitler if he led the Labour party."
Do certain posters on here not care by whom and by what means a centrist, outwardly socially liberal (ironic given these accusations) Labour Government is achieved so long as it is achieved??
This is the problem with ideologues.
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Maybe you should point out which media is ignoring this as the majority of UK media as discussed on here many times is mainly centre, centre right, nutty right and they normally use any lever to undermine labour true or not.
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Corbyn had his chance and blew it, there's not a lot left to say just have to clean up the mess he left behind with johson helping all he can.
Except he didn't get his chance did he because of the various plots within the Labour Party to undermine him in the hope he wouldn't win .
It's called treason Syd .
tykey you're a plonka, if you don't have the required support from those in a team you move them on, put them out to grass, it's called management.
Sort of what Starmer is doing now.
I'm totally aware this is probably something you don't understand given that your mindset goes along the lines of " if you aren't with us then you must be against us " .
However I'll give it a try , God loves a trier .
Ever heard of trying to sort out internal differences by dialogue and compromise and as a party in opposition presenting a united front .
The only thing Corbyn was guilty of was naively trusting the drunken pirates on the centre right of the Labour Party and the viper Shadow Minister for Brexit .
At least Mandelson came straight out with it whilst that back stabbing bstrd , treacherous viper Keith lied his way to the Labour leadership .
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see you lot on two knees begging the Dems to prop you up to form a government .
What goes around comes around , go in to government with the Dems and giving up FPTP in a deal will see you lot where you belong .
In the political graveyard next to the Whigs .
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Corbyn had his chance and blew it, there's not a lot left to say just have to clean up the mess he left behind with johson helping all he can.
Except he didn't get his chance did he because of the various plots within the Labour Party to undermine him in the hope he wouldn't win .
It's called treason Syd .
tykey you're a plonka, if you don't have the required support from those in a team you move them on, put them out to grass, it's called management.
Sort of what Starmer is doing now.
I'm totally aware this is probably something you don't understand given that your mindset goes along the lines of " if you aren't with us then you must be against us " .
However I'll give it a try , God loves a trier .
Ever heard of trying to sort out internal differences by dialogue and compromise and as a party in opposition presenting a united front .
The only thing Corbyn was guilty of was naively trusting the drunken pirates on the centre right of the Labour Party and the viper Shadow Minister for Brexit .
At least Mandelson came straight out with it whilst that back stabbing bstrd , treacherous viper Keith lied his way to the Labour leadership .
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see you lot on two knees begging the Dems to prop you up to form a government .
What goes around comes around , go in to government with the Dems and giving up FPTP in a deal will see you lot where you belong .
In the political graveyard next to the Whigs .
You're totally aware of nothing tyke, if the answer to the party was what you wrote above why didn't corbyn do it?
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Interesting response. Is he now trying to do to KS what he is accusing others of doing to him
I can see that he will be a real pain to KS and he isn’t going away.
He’s a pain to everyone. The very essence of the man. A protest politician who will always find some cause or other to get his teeth into other than the ones that matter to most people.
Unfortunately, his legacy will be one of facilitating the most right wing UK government of modern times.
When you look at all the red wall seats lost in the North and North-East, BigH, and the reason why, you'll find it was Keith who facilitated that.
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He criticises by the use of analysis, reason and argument (in the academic sense of 'argument')
BobG
You mean analysis, reason, and argument that YOU agree with.
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"that back stabbing bstrd , treacherous viper Keith"
You are an embarrassment to yourself. Grow up man.
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"that back stabbing bstrd , treacherous viper Keith"
You are an embarrassment to yourself. Grow up man.
Aye and doesn't the truth hurt .
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Interesting response. Is he now trying to do to KS what he is accusing others of doing to him
I can see that he will be a real pain to KS and he isn’t going away.
He’s a pain to everyone. The very essence of the man. A protest politician who will always find some cause or other to get his teeth into other than the ones that matter to most people.
Unfortunately, his legacy will be one of facilitating the most right wing UK government of modern times.
When you look at all the red wall seats lost in the North and North-East, BigH, and the reason why, you'll find it was Keith who facilitated that.
Nah, I'll think you'd be more on the money if you said it was all those the swallowed the tory lines of nirvana and unicorns fed through an obliging right wing media.
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Corbyn had his chance and blew it, there's not a lot left to say just have to clean up the mess he left behind with johson helping all he can.
Except he didn't get his chance did he because of the various plots within the Labour Party to undermine him in the hope he wouldn't win .
It's called treason Syd .
tykey you're a plonka, if you don't have the required support from those in a team you move them on, put them out to grass, it's called management.
Sort of what Starmer is doing now.
I'm totally aware this is probably something you don't understand given that your mindset goes along the lines of " if you aren't with us then you must be against us " .
However I'll give it a try , God loves a trier .
Ever heard of trying to sort out internal differences by dialogue and compromise and as a party in opposition presenting a united front .
The only thing Corbyn was guilty of was naively trusting the drunken pirates on the centre right of the Labour Party and the viper Shadow Minister for Brexit .
At least Mandelson came straight out with it whilst that back stabbing bstrd , treacherous viper Keith lied his way to the Labour leadership .
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see you lot on two knees begging the Dems to prop you up to form a government .
What goes around comes around , go in to government with the Dems and giving up FPTP in a deal will see you lot where you belong .
In the political graveyard next to the Whigs .
You're totally aware of nothing tyke, if the answer to the party was what you wrote above why didn't corbyn do it?
Because I'm pragmatic enough to admit the man's failings and he was weak as pyss .
He also naively thought the Labour Party was a broad church and instead of purging his opponents he could somehow work with them .
However for all that it doesn't in any way shape or form excuse the fact that certain people in the Labour Party would sooner have a Tory government than a Labour one with Corbyn PM .
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Surely people can now see why so many of us are not tribal or partisan when it comes to politics.
Our two main parties at the moment are a f*cking disgrace.
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What hurts is to see an intelligent person going so far beyond what is acceptable debate. You are debasing the language.
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The red wall is made up of ex-labour voters who either have the monk on or can't be arsed to get out and vote.
2018 Swedish general election
''The voter turnout of 87.18% was the highest in 33 years and 1.38 percentage points higher than the 2014 elections. A record 26 out of 29 constituencies returned a hung parliament. 46% of seats were won by women (161 out of 349)''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Swedish_general_election#:~:text=The%20voter%20turnout%20of%2087.18,(161%20out%20of%20349).
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What hurts is to see an intelligent person going so far beyond what is acceptable debate. You are debasing the language.
That's easy to say Billy when you are so accepting of the Labour leader .
I despise the man and when you despise someone as much as I personally do with Keith then emotion is going to kick in .
He's on the same shelf the Notts miners were in 84/85 as far as I'm concerned .
It didn't do them much good either .
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The red wall is made up of ex-labour voters who either have the monk on or can't be arsed to get out and vote.
2018 Swedish general election
''The voter turnout of 87.18% was the highest in 33 years and 1.38 percentage points higher than the 2014 elections. A record 26 out of 29 constituencies returned a hung parliament. 46% of seats were won by women (161 out of 349)''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Swedish_general_election#:~:text=The%20voter%20turnout%20of%2087.18,(161%20out%20of%20349).
It's compulsory to vote in the country you live in and yet it still returned a right wing government 20 out of the last 24 years .
What's your point ?
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You're the point tyke, you claim to stand for the working people, the less well off and everything else you spout from your soap box but the one thing that would help them the most you can't do because of your bizarre logic and that you'll throw anything into an argument to distract.
Will you take your grudges to the grave?
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What hurts is to see an intelligent person going so far beyond what is acceptable debate. You are debasing the language.
That's easy to say Billy when you are so accepting of the Labour leader .
I despise the man and when you despise someone as much as I personally do with Keith then emotion is going to kick in .
He's on the same shelf the Notts miners were in 84/85 as far as I'm concerned .
It didn't do them much good either .
And what you have never done is given any cold, rational explanation of what underpins that rabid hatred.
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What hurts is to see an intelligent person going so far beyond what is acceptable debate. You are debasing the language.
That's easy to say Billy when you are so accepting of the Labour leader .
I despise the man and when you despise someone as much as I personally do with Keith then emotion is going to kick in .
He's on the same shelf the Notts miners were in 84/85 as far as I'm concerned .
It didn't do them much good either .
And what you have never done is given any cold, rational explanation of what underpins that rabid hatred.
Because for the most part I think it's best to suppress those kind of things but every now and again they will come out the same as strike never truly leaves you .
This man is absolutely despicable , the way he attained the leadership , the purge of the left in a so called broad church .
The empty shell he is with vision and what he stands for and his lack of moral fibre to even stand by working people at a time of national crisis .
His minions in the party in the light of the Forde Report I could go on .
He can't even see the mood of the country at the moment he even has to send Gordon Brown out to bat to test the fast bowling first in order for him to protect his own wicket rather than he come out like a leader should he's that spineless .
I've more respect for Margaret f**king Thatcher .
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You're the point tyke, you claim to stand for the working people, the less well off and everything else you spout from your soap box but the one thing that would help them the most you can't do because of your bizarre logic and that you'll throw anything into an argument to distract.
Will you take your grudges to the grave?
You brought Swedish politics in to the debate you clown .
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How has he purged the Left?
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Interesting response. Is he now trying to do to KS what he is accusing others of doing to him
I can see that he will be a real pain to KS and he isn’t going away.
He’s a pain to everyone. The very essence of the man. A protest politician who will always find some cause or other to get his teeth into other than the ones that matter to most people.
Unfortunately, his legacy will be one of facilitating the most right wing UK government of modern times.
When you look at all the red wall seats lost in the North and North-East, BigH, and the reason why, you'll find it was Keith who facilitated that.
Might have to disagree with you on that one SS.
Brexit - and Johnson's promise to get it 'done' - might have been a key consideration for a lot of red wall leave voters, but elsewhere Corbyn was toxic to a lot of the electorate.
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You're the point tyke, you claim to stand for the working people, the less well off and everything else you spout from your soap box but the one thing that would help them the most you can't do because of your bizarre logic and that you'll throw anything into an argument to distract.
Will you take your grudges to the grave?
You brought Swedish politics in to the debate you clown .
I brought a relevant statistic into the debate, surely your brain cell can see that?
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What hurts is to see an intelligent person going so far beyond what is acceptable debate. You are debasing the language.
That's easy to say Billy when you are so accepting of the Labour leader .
I despise the man and when you despise someone as much as I personally do with Keith then emotion is going to kick in .
He's on the same shelf the Notts miners were in 84/85 as far as I'm concerned .
It didn't do them much good either .
And what you have never done is given any cold, rational explanation of what underpins that rabid hatred.
Because for the most part I think it's best to suppress those kind of things but every now and again they will come out the same as strike never truly leaves you .
This man is absolutely despicable , the way he attained the leadership , the purge of the left in a so called broad church .
The empty shell he is with vision and what he stands for and his lack of moral fibre to even stand by working people at a time of national crisis .
His minions in the party in the light of the Forde Report I could go on .
He can't even see the mood of the country at the moment he even has to send Gordon Brown out to bat to test the fast bowling first in order for him to protect his own wicket rather than he come out like a leader should he's that spineless .
I've more respect for Margaret f**king Thatcher .
Of course you do tyke, that's your nature, it gives you excuses to blame everyone else and do nothing about it (since 1984)
If the far left had won any elections where it controlled the party there wouldn't be an issue.
Suppress. ffs you can't wait for any opportunity to bring up your historical grudges. If you ever get out of your armchair you could start your own party.
Ask your hepatologist on your next appointment if they agree.
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As bad as people think that KS is he has far more scruples than Johnson,Shapps,Reece-Mogg,Hancock etc.
That is the sad state of British politics right now.
Neither Truss or Sunak are the answer either. It looks like a long hard road and the lower down the chain you are the worse it gets.
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....In your opinion.
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''Starmer polls ahead of both Tory leadership hopefuls in 12 key areas
11 August, 2022 (4 days ago)
He also polls best on who would make a good prime minister.
https://leftfootforward.org/2022/08/starmer-polls-ahead-of-both-tory-leadership-hopefuls-in-12-key-areas/
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''Starmer polls ahead of both Tory leadership hopefuls in 12 key areas
11 August, 2022 (4 days ago)
He also polls best on who would make a good prime minister.
https://leftfootforward.org/2022/08/starmer-polls-ahead-of-both-tory-leadership-hopefuls-in-12-key-areas/
Wow, what an achievement, to be polls ahead of Liz Truss.
That's the choice people will be faced with in 2024, Truss or Keith. I hope there's something decent on Sky Sports that night.
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What hurts is to see an intelligent person going so far beyond what is acceptable debate. You are debasing the language.
That's easy to say Billy when you are so accepting of the Labour leader .
I despise the man and when you despise someone as much as I personally do with Keith then emotion is going to kick in .
He's on the same shelf the Notts miners were in 84/85 as far as I'm concerned .
It didn't do them much good either .
And what you have never done is given any cold, rational explanation of what underpins that rabid hatred.
Because for the most part I think it's best to suppress those kind of things but every now and again they will come out the same as strike never truly leaves you .
This man is absolutely despicable , the way he attained the leadership , the purge of the left in a so called broad church .
The empty shell he is with vision and what he stands for and his lack of moral fibre to even stand by working people at a time of national crisis .
His minions in the party in the light of the Forde Report I could go on .
He can't even see the mood of the country at the moment he even has to send Gordon Brown out to bat to test the fast bowling first in order for him to protect his own wicket rather than he come out like a leader should he's that spineless .
I've more respect for Margaret f**king Thatcher .
Of course you do tyke, that's your nature, it gives you excuses to blame everyone else and do nothing about it (since 1984)
If the far left had won any elections where it controlled the party there wouldn't be an issue.
Suppress. ffs you can't wait for any opportunity to bring up your historical grudges. If you ever get out of your armchair you could start your own party.
Ask your hepatologist on your next appointment if they agree.
And what did you do following the referendum vote going against you ? , run away , check out , did one , a Boris Johnson with a red rosette on and now you own a white feather , if this was the first world war they would have shot thi for cowardice .
You wouldn't so much as vote for the party that would have given you what you wanted .
Grudges ? , there's nobody more bitter and angry than thee since 2016 .
Awww poor you , you lost .
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No tykey wykey working families and those on welfare have lost, every time you put your name to a tory government the country as whole loses, suck it up. If that lunatic truss gets the gig it will be workers rights for the chop just because they can and all because of some festering grudge you can't give up, aye?
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Just a stab here tykey, but from the way you talk about labour and how you despise the various leaders I'm guessing the times you haven't voted at all or not labour are greater than the times you have?
Do you still hate the midwife? asking for a friend
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....In your opinion.
Too true.
I think that most people would agree judging on actions over the last few years.
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....In your opinion.
Too true.
I think that most people would agree judging on actions over the last few years.
Not sure about that. Plenty of Starmers own party would probably disagree.
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....In your opinion.
Too true.
I think that most people would agree judging on actions over the last few years.
Not sure about that. Plenty of Starmers own party would probably disagree.
In your opinion
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The ones that wanted JC might but the actions of the others far outweighs the sins of KS.
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....In your opinion.
Too true.
I think that most people would agree judging on actions over the last few years.
Not sure about that. Plenty of Starmers own party would probably disagree.
In your opinion
And given as an opinion, not as a fact.