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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Panda on October 01, 2022, 11:11:42 am
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What a lady. At last there is some hope that normal people can regain power and stop this relentless far left juggernaut of social and psychological re-engineering madness.
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/29/giorgia-meloni-italian-women-abortion-pink-quotas
Yes, she sounds like a lovely woman.
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https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/la-cicciolina-at-70
This lady would have got my vote back in the day
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I can't bring myself to read or watch anything by the Guardian. Sorry.
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She's got the balls.........sorry. Misgendered her there, which is part of the problem caused to us by the woke left these days.
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'Normal people.'
That's what you call facist, homophobic racists is it.
We see you.
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'Normal people.'
That's what you call facist, homophobic racists is it.
We see you.
Typical response from the left. Everyone with a different view automatically must be a racist, fascist, homophobe, far right etc etc. Change the narrative. It's predictable and just helps reinforce the view that those of us guilty of 'wrongthink' in the kangaroo courts of those who are infecting our kids with this nonsense are 100% correct in our thinking. It is mostly called common sense and fairness.
Compliant kids are easier to control and will one day become compliant adults. Just the plan.
Social re-engineering, especially in schools needs to be stopped now. I've seen it first hand with my kid at secondary school. It is Black History Month now apparently.
There's only one lesson that kids need, treat everyone equally as you find, do not discriminate and do not be scared of having a different opinion from the herd and airing it and this is the right thing to do. No need for all these ideologies to be rammed down kids throats 24/7. They go to school to learn facts. Not political agendas.
It is probably people of your ilk who virtue signal about being concerned for immigrants, until the council want to build an immigration centre on the field next to your house and then all of sudden that wouldn't be OK. Would it?
Trudeau, Ardern et al. All scary nutjobs operating by giving the illusion they care about their people. When in fact they want to control their people, through the illusion that it is for their own benefit.
We see you
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"I'm not a fascist homophobic racist. I just talk and act like one."
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I concede she does have some historical links to parties associated with fascism and there are some things she agrees with which i don't but it was just so refreshing to see a politician speaking about reversing this madness that has taken over society in the last few years which is a lot more dangerous IMO.
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"I'm not a fascist homophobic racist. I just talk and act like one."
Haha. Ok Glyn. If you say so mate. I just said that people need to be treated equally regardless and discrimination should not be tolerated. I've also commented on a variety of threads in the past on here condemning racism, in fact one recently about Qatar calling for players to stop virtue signalling and don't go to Qatar because of the racism and human rights record. Will you be watching the World Cup Glyn?
Enjoy it mate. :thumbsup:
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If it looks like a fascist, talks like a fascist and acts like a fascist.....
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Panda is a Fascist....
What's worse, an uobservant one unable to link cause with effect.
BobG
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Fingers crossed it ends the same way as it did for the last Italian fascist leader.
I'd steer clear of lamp posts if I were in her gang.
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I concede she does have some historical links to parties associated with fascism and there are some things she agrees with which i don't but it was just so refreshing to see a politician speaking about reversing this madness that has taken over society in the last few years which is a lot more dangerous IMO.
GB News isn't doing you any favours .
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Panda Bear is the most politically naive person on here apart from CDH and Axholme Lion.
Hang on, has anyone ever seen those 3 in a room at the same time?
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"I'm not a fascist homophobic racist. I just talk and act like one."
Haha. Ok Glyn. If you say so mate. I just said that people need to be treated equally regardless and discrimination should not be tolerated. I've also commented on a variety of threads in the past on here condemning racism, in fact one recently about Qatar calling for players to stop virtue signalling and don't go to Qatar because of the racism and human rights record. Will you be watching the World Cup Glyn?
Enjoy it mate. :thumbsup:
"Some of my friends are black!"
As for the Qatari World Cup, if I'd started a whole new thread to extol the virtues of their wonderful political leader you'd have a point.
I haven't, so you don't.
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Panda Bear is the most politically naive person on here apart from CDH and Axholme Lion.
Hang on, has anyone ever seen those 3 in a room at the same time?
Well you won't get me and CDH in the same room for obvious reasons. No idea where Axholme Lion is though.
Politically naive? :lol:
Just want a sane and fair country to live in. We won't get that with the current status quo because the majority of voters are a bit simple and don't realize that we won't get it with the Tories, nor will we get it with Labour. As soon as people accept this, we can start to move forward.
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I concede she does have some historical links to parties associated with fascism and there are some things she agrees with which i don't but it was just so refreshing to see a politician speaking about reversing this madness that has taken over society in the last few years which is a lot more dangerous IMO.
GB News isn't doing you any favours .
One thing about GB News, they seem to like the Tories. Dan Wootton in particular would probably shag Boris Johnson given the choice.
I hate the Tories but also i hate Labour so at least i'm impartial. :)
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The online pile ons are becoming a regular and cowardly thing.
This forum is in the toilet.
Is there anyway of just viewing the football side of the forum without off topic ?
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Panda is a Fascist....
What's worse, an uobservant one unable to link cause with effect.
BobG
Incorrect. You are just sadly, not intelligent enough to see nuances which make people like some facets of Meloni, but which doesn't make them fascists.
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Is there anyway of just viewing the football side of the forum without off topic ?
Yeah, don't click 'Off Topic'
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Is there anyway of just viewing the football side of the forum without off topic ?
Yeah, don't click 'Off Topic'
When I click "show unread posts since last visit" it brings up everything.
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She's got the balls.........sorry. Misgendered her there, which is part of the problem caused to us by the woke left these days.
I read or heard a woman, comedian possibly, say that instead of saying "got balls" which are really soft and delicate you should say "got a vagina" When you think about it a vagina does take a hell of a battering especially during childbirth, sex might be a different thing depending on the size of manhood involved :-]]
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Yeah. Maybe a good idea to focus on the football for a while. This section of the forum is a popular haunt of the elderly with their rigid, demand thinking and i could do with conversing with people on the right side of 40 tbh. I don't have much in common with the older generation.
Footy it is then for me. Good advice Nudga. Always happy to take advice from people with sensible views about a cross section of things.
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Is there anyway of just viewing the football side of the forum without off topic ?
Yeah, don't click 'Off Topic'
When I click "show unread posts since last visit" it brings up everything.
Don't use it, just go straight to footie section all topics with new posts are highlighted
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Yeah. Maybe a good idea to focus on the football for a while. This section of the forum is a popular haunt of the elderly with their rigid, demand thinking and i could do with conversing of people on the right side of 40 tbh. I don't have much in common with the older generation.
Footy it is then for me. Good advice Nudga. Always happy to take advice from people with sensible views about a cross section of things.
Would "much in common with anyone" be more apt? :-]]
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Is there anyway of just viewing the football side of the forum without off topic ?
Yeah, don't click 'Off Topic'
When I click "show unread posts since last visit" it brings up everything.
Don't use it, just go straight to footie section all topics with new posts are highlighted
Ah right thanks for that. See you on the other side.
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What policies of her’s are fascistic? I saw a speech she made about fighting for the rights of the individual and not being “consumer slaves” but haven’t looked in to her any more.
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Wilts explain why she’s fascist
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Yeah. Maybe a good idea to focus on the football for a while. This section of the forum is a popular haunt of the elderly with their rigid, demand thinking and i could do with conversing with people on the right side of 40 tbh. I don't have much in common with the older generation.
Footy it is then for me. Good advice Nudga. Always happy to take advice from people with sensible views about a cross section of things.
NOOOOoooooo!!!!!!!
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Wilts explain why she’s fascist
Heading a party that chose as it's symbol La Fiamma Tricolore which has been a symbol of fascism since the war is a starter.
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Wilts explain why she’s fascist
Her party, The Brothers of Italy has direct links to the Italian Social Movement, the party formed by Mussolini's supporters after WW2. They use the same symbols and slogans from the Mussolini era. She has personally praised Mossolini and his policies.
Like Hitler creating the 'master race' she seeks to bolster the native Italian birth rate to counter 'native substitution' (the Great Replacement Theory which is a major fascist trope today & mentioned by Panda recently)
She seeks to with draw women's rights by banning abortions and drafting workplace laws to reduce the rights of women at work.
Last year her party blocked a bill to make attacks on gay people a hate crime.
She seeks to ban gay marriage, the rights of same-sex couples to adopt and workplace rights for gay people.
She seeks to promote Christian ideology and marginalise all other religious worship. Islamic prayers will have to be said in Italian not Arabic and there is to be a register for all Imans allowed to lead worship.
If it walks like a facist, if it admits to admiring facist leaders and their policies, if it adopts facist symbols and slogans and if it promotes fascist ideologies - its probably a facist.
You may agree with her and her policies - we see you.
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I concede she does have some historical links to parties associated with fascism and there are some things she agrees with which i don't but it was just so refreshing to see a politician speaking about reversing this madness that has taken over society in the last few years which is a lot more dangerous IMO.
GB News isn't doing you any favours .
One thing about GB News, they seem to like the Tories. Dan Wootton in particular would probably shag Boris Johnson given the choice.
I hate the Tories but also i hate Labour so at least i'm impartial. :)
The problem with GB News is that it's viewers haven't worked out yet that they are nearer to the Universal Credit section ( meant with respect ) of society than they are to the nonsense Wootton spouts .
Ever wondered why it was created given we aren't exactly short of 24 hour news ? .
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Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterised by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
For everyone that thinks she is. I don’t see where she fits this description .
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
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Yeah. Maybe a good idea to focus on the football for a while. This section of the forum is a popular haunt of the elderly with their rigid, demand thinking and i could do with conversing with people on the right side of 40 tbh. I don't have much in common with the older generation.
Footy it is then for me. Good advice Nudga. Always happy to take advice from people with sensible views about a cross section of things.
NOOOOoooooo!!!!!!!
I lied
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
You have literally no hope man. You're gone.
Individual freedom of choice is paramount. Even during a pandemic.
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
You have literally no hope man. You're gone.
Individual freedom of choice is paramount. Even during a pandemic.
“My body, my choice”
“No, not like that!”
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
You have literally no hope man. You're gone.
Individual freedom of choice is paramount. Even during a pandemic.
“My body, my choice”
“No, not like that!”
I'm not understanding you ncRover. Apologies.
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
You have literally no hope man. You're gone.
Individual freedom of choice is paramount. Even during a pandemic.
No it isn't .
Presumably during air raids in 1941 you'd have kept your lights on so you could read the evening paper .
You could have killed everyone in your village but never mind individual freedom is what counts right ?
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
You have literally no hope man. You're gone.
Individual freedom of choice is paramount. Even during a pandemic.
No it isn't .
Presumably during air raids in 1941 you'd have kept your lights on so you could read the evening paper .
You could have killed everyone in your village but never mind individual freedom is what counts right ?
Keeping lights off is not the same as having an experimental medicine forced into you that could kill and you have no say in it. Even worse when it doesn't even either protect you from the virus or protect others. You've been had mate.
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
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There's an article in the Telegraph today suggesting that focus groups in the Northern red wall seats are seing trends that could suggest a surge towards the populist far right, much like seen in Italy, Sweden and France. I do think it likely that at least some of the same demographic that voted Brexit could find themselves drawn to a Meloni or a Le Pen type candidate.
That we don't have PR is perhaps a blessing. Or would a further right Tory party provide the same appeal?
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I read that tbese trends are in the younger age groups
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I read that tbese trends are in the younger age groups
Blimey, I didn't know that. I assumed it would be the older Brexit generation. Even more troubling if so.
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
You have literally no hope man. You're gone.
Individual freedom of choice is paramount. Even during a pandemic.
No it isn't .
Presumably during air raids in 1941 you'd have kept your lights on so you could read the evening paper .
You could have killed everyone in your village but never mind individual freedom is what counts right ?
Keeping lights off is not the same as having an experimental medicine forced into you that could kill and you have no say in it. Even worse when it doesn't even either protect you from the virus or protect others. You've been had mate.
Since when were you dragged in to a vaccination centre by 6 doctors against your will , held down and had the vaccine pumped in to you ?
You had a choice , did that bit escape you ?
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
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Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterised by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
For everyone that thinks she is. I don’t see where she fits this description .
And I have given you above her and her parties ideology in; the belief in a nativist social hierarchy, discrimination of those who do not match that. The party slogans are all about the subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race - and persecution of those who do match that ideal ('strong regimentation').
No fascist in history has said I am going to start an authoritarian military dictatorship. That comes after you vote a fascist in power.
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I read that tbese trends are in the younger age groups
Anyone got a link to this? I'd be interested in reading about it.
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Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterised by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
For everyone that thinks she is. I don’t see where she fits this description .
And I have given you above her and her parties ideology in; the belief in a nativist social hierarchy, discrimination of those who do not match that. The party slogans are all about the subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race - and persecution of those who do match that ideal ('strong regimentation').
No fascist in history has said I am going to start an authoritarian military dictatorship. That comes after you vote a fascist in power.
Yes, but what you can't see is that the far left (the ones making all the decisions in society these days) are also authoritarian, discriminatory, dictatorial and persecute people who don't share their views. Except they get away with it because they hide behind this illusion of caring about people and society. Which most people have blindly bought into and taken hook, line and sinker.
As indicated by some responses to my posts on here. Essentially saying that if i don't share their views then i must be hunted down as a homophobe, fascist, transphobe, racist and so on and so forth. I genuinely pity these people and they need helping.
This is society these days. Got a different view from the narrative? Change it or be hounded out until you can't air those views. No matter if those views are legal and have legitimacy. This is the world today sadly and people are sick of it and will gravitate towards more unsavoury parties shall we say. Can't really blame them tbh. Reform party for me. Are they far right? Probably get told by the nutjobs around on here that they are for some reason lol.
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
You’ve gotten distracted from my actual point, I just posted a link to a politician who wants to control what people think.
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
That's all they asked us to do yes. But when people asked for the evidence as to why we had to do as asked then we weren't given any. Just relentless, remorseless propaganda from the NHS, 'the science', Government, MSM etc etc who realized that there was no evidence so best thing to do to get compliance is to lie, obfuscate and deliberately 'nudge' or psychologically manipulate and influence people. You are a classic example of how successful this was and still is.
Sensible people don't just do as they are told just because they are told to. Without reasoned evidence that suggests they should do it. This is what freedom is about. By trusting and believing the above organizations you are simply pliable putty in compromised and untrustworthy hands. Which is makes it easier for them to introduce ANYTHING in future, on the basis that they've told you it is for the best.
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I read that tbese trends are in the younger age groups
Anyone got a link to this? I'd be interested in reading about it.
Sorry BST not from me,it was a few weeks back I read it somewhere
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
That's all they asked us to do yes. But when people asked for the evidence as to why we had to do as asked then we weren't given any. Just relentless, remorseless propaganda from the NHS, 'the science', Government, MSM etc etc who realized that there was no evidence so best thing to do to get compliance is to lie, obfuscate and deliberately 'nudge' or psychologically manipulate and influence people. You are a classic example of how successful this was and still is.
Sensible people don't just do as they are told just because they are told to. Without reasoned evidence that suggests they should do it. This is what freedom is about. By trusting and believing the above organizations you are simply pliable putty in compromised and untrustworthy hands. Which is makes it easier for them to introduce ANYTHING in future, on the basis that they've told you it is for the best.
Presumably you had to be in intensive care hooked up to a ventilator to do the breathing for you before you believed it .
Here's the thing right , you think your the only person in the world who found lockdown difficult , poor you .
It was bloody hard for the vast majority of us .
Difference is most of us got on with it the best we could and didn't play the victim and self pity card , the world's against us or listened to numb nut conspiracy theories .
Blaming the world for your issues isn't a great look , if it isn't the NHS , it's authoritative governments , left , right or centre .
Ever thought the problem is you and your nauseating self pity .
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Couldn't have said it better myself, tyke.
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Nail on head tyke
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
That's all they asked us to do yes. But when people asked for the evidence as to why we had to do as asked then we weren't given any. Just relentless, remorseless propaganda from the NHS, 'the science', Government, MSM etc etc who realized that there was no evidence so best thing to do to get compliance is to lie, obfuscate and deliberately 'nudge' or psychologically manipulate and influence people. You are a classic example of how successful this was and still is.
Sensible people don't just do as they are told just because they are told to. Without reasoned evidence that suggests they should do it. This is what freedom is about. By trusting and believing the above organizations you are simply pliable putty in compromised and untrustworthy hands. Which is makes it easier for them to introduce ANYTHING in future, on the basis that they've told you it is for the best.
Presumably you had to be in intensive care hooked up to a ventilator to do the breathing for you before you believed it .
Here's the thing right , you think your the only person in the world who found lockdown difficult , poor you .
It was bloody hard for the vast majority of us .
Difference is most of us got on with it the best we could and didn't play the victim and self pity card , the world's against us or listened to numb nut conspiracy theories .
Blaming the world for your issues isn't a great look , if it isn't the NHS , it's authoritative governments , left , right or centre .
Ever thought the problem is you and your nauseating self pity .
No. Not for a moment.
The problem is people like you who went along with all the BS and prolonged the misery for yourself and me.
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No. Not for a moment.
The problem is people like you who went along with all the BS and prolonged the misery for yourself and me.
You're the sort of person who really ought to have copped a dose of Covid to find out what you were actually dealing with.
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I read that tbese trends are in the younger age groups
Anyone got a link to this? I'd be interested in reading about it.
Sorry BST not from me,it was a few weeks back I read it somewhere
Whoever wrote it, Raven, I reckon they're wrong. IMO, young people, especially students, are usually left of centre.
It's always been like that, as long as I can remember.
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Bit of light reading here for people if you are interested:
State of Hate: Far-Right Extremism in Europe 2021 (looks at the growth (or not) of far-right groups, their links with terrorism and hate crime in several European countries and the UK.
https://hopenothate.org.uk/2021/02/16/state-of-hate-europe2021/
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Just got back from a Canary Islands cruise where there were passengers isolating having tested positive while on board. I think that there were about 80 odd but someone else said about 200. This was with over 2,800 passengers and over 1,000 crew on board. I Maxine if they had been just wandering around the ship for two weeks?
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Tyke you’ve summed things up nicely. What you’ve described is today society in a nut shell. It’s everyone else’s fault. If you’re not feeling victimised or minimised you’re the aggressor or the one to blame. Gone are the days of having a bad few days and getting on with it.
Every day is hard in the real world of the average person working to earn a crust and support their families.
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Tyke you’ve summed things up nicely. What you’ve described is today society in a nut shell. It’s everyone else’s fault. If you’re not feeling victimised or minimised you’re the aggressor or the one to blame. Gone are the days of having a bad few days and getting on with it.
Every day is hard in the real world of the average person working to earn a crust and support their families.
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Something most were stopped from doing due to a mild respiratory virus, because the Government said so.
Once you allow the Government to control your ability to work and feed your kids, you're screwed. The vast majority gave this right up without so much as a whimper.
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Tyke you’ve summed things up nicely. What you’ve described is today society in a nut shell. It’s everyone else’s fault. If you’re not feeling victimised or minimised you’re the aggressor or the one to blame. Gone are the days of having a bad few days and getting on with it.
Every day is hard in the real world of the average person working to earn a crust and support their families.
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Something most were stopped from doing due to a mild respiratory virus, because the Government said so.
Once you allow the Government to control your ability to work and feed your kids, you're screwed. The vast majority gave this right up without so much as a whimper.
Mild?? Remind us all how many died - and like me nearly died - of something 'mild'?
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Tyke you’ve summed things up nicely. What you’ve described is today society in a nut shell. It’s everyone else’s fault. If you’re not feeling victimised or minimised you’re the aggressor or the one to blame. Gone are the days of having a bad few days and getting on with it.
Every day is hard in the real world of the average person working to earn a crust and support their families.
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Something most were stopped from doing due to a mild respiratory virus, because the Government said so.
Once you allow the Government to control your ability to work and feed your kids, you're screwed. The vast majority gave this right up without so much as a whimper.
Mild?? Remind us all how many died - and like me nearly died - of something 'mild'?
Yes. Mild. We don't know how many died as a direct consequence of the virus. We only know how many died as a result of either dying from something else and having Covid at the same time or having died of something else and having Covid put on the death certificate. Which happened frequently during the initial outbreak.
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Panda
My daughter who is in her early twenties works on the respiratory ward in DRI and she has seen and had to deal with patients dying in such a way over this last two years that nobody should have to. The amount of people that she has seen die of covid is awful. She was coming home from work that tired that she was falling asleep at the dinner table. All due to a mild virus-really!
My own father finally caught it only six weeks ago and had no control of his bodily functions, didn’t have a clue where he was and we all thought that he was pulling his last breath.
I really do think that it’s about time you f**ked right off and started winding up another group of people because everyone on here is thoroughly sick of you!
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Tyke you’ve summed things up nicely. What you’ve described is today society in a nut shell. It’s everyone else’s fault. If you’re not feeling victimised or minimised you’re the aggressor or the one to blame. Gone are the days of having a bad few days and getting on with it.
Every day is hard in the real world of the average person working to earn a crust and support their families.
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Something most were stopped from doing due to a mild respiratory virus, because the Government said so.
Once you allow the Government to control your ability to work and feed your kids, you're screwed. The vast majority gave this right up without so much as a whimper.
Mild?? Remind us all how many died - and like me nearly died - of something 'mild'?
Yes. Mild. We don't know how many died as a direct consequence of the virus. We only know how many died as a result of either dying from something else and having Covid at the same time or having died of something else and having Covid put on the death certificate. Which happened frequently during the initial outbreak.
Substitute 'we' for 'I'. You have no right to speak for others who are not as ignorant of reality are yourself.
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Tyke you’ve summed things up nicely. What you’ve described is today society in a nut shell. It’s everyone else’s fault. If you’re not feeling victimised or minimised you’re the aggressor or the one to blame. Gone are the days of having a bad few days and getting on with it.
Every day is hard in the real world of the average person working to earn a crust and support their families.
[/i][/b]
Something most were stopped from doing due to a mild respiratory virus, because the Government said so.
Once you allow the Government to control your ability to work and feed your kids, you're screwed. The vast majority gave this right up without so much as a whimper.
Mild?? Remind us all how many died - and like me nearly died - of something 'mild'?
Yes. Mild. We don't know how many died as a direct consequence of the virus. We only know how many died as a result of either dying from something else and having Covid at the same time or having died of something else and having Covid put on the death certificate. Which happened frequently during the initial outbreak.
Idiot. I was in hospital twice and still have side-effects. Sister-in-law has just been in bed for a week. But your' alright you selfish ......
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
You’ve gotten distracted from my actual point, I just posted a link to a politician who wants to control what people think.
Excuse me if this sounds patronising but I always have this problem when dealing with libertarians. Libertarians see the world in black and white. "If you advocate any shackles on pure freedom, you are the enemy."
Here's the problem. Leave social media unpoliced, leave it free for anyone to say anything and do you know what happens? Enemy foreign powers realise that they have a direct line into the heads of tens of millions of gullible people, who can be fed propaganda with efficiency of effort that Goebbels and Lenin could only have dreamed of.
That's not a dystopian future. It's been happening for the past decade. You can see the consequences in some of the posters we have here.
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Tyke you’ve summed things up nicely. What you’ve described is today society in a nut shell. It’s everyone else’s fault. If you’re not feeling victimised or minimised you’re the aggressor or the one to blame. Gone are the days of having a bad few days and getting on with it.
Every day is hard in the real world of the average person working to earn a crust and support their families.
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Something most were stopped from doing due to a mild respiratory virus, because the Government said so.
Once you allow the Government to control your ability to work and feed your kids, you're screwed. The vast majority gave this right up without so much as a whimper.
Mild?? Remind us all how many died - and like me nearly died - of something 'mild'?
Yes. Mild. We don't know how many died as a direct consequence of the virus. We only know how many died as a result of either dying from something else and having Covid at the same time or having died of something else and having Covid put on the death certificate. Which happened frequently during the initial outbreak.
Idiot. I was in hospital twice and still have side-effects. Sister-in-law has just been in bed for a week. But your' alright you selfish ......
I'm selfish because you were in hospital twice 'with' Covid and your sis in law is a bit ill? Err ok. If you say so.
Most people haven't been in hospital or in bed ill with it.
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Most people haven't been in hospital or in bed ill with it.
Because of the lockdown, not in spite of it.
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Tyke you’ve summed things up nicely. What you’ve described is today society in a nut shell. It’s everyone else’s fault. If you’re not feeling victimised or minimised you’re the aggressor or the one to blame. Gone are the days of having a bad few days and getting on with it.
Every day is hard in the real world of the average person working to earn a crust and support their families.
[/i][/b]
Something most were stopped from doing due to a mild respiratory virus, because the Government said so.
Once you allow the Government to control your ability to work and feed your kids, you're screwed. The vast majority gave this right up without so much as a whimper.
Mild?? Remind us all how many died - and like me nearly died - of something 'mild'?
Yes. Mild. We don't know how many died as a direct consequence of the virus. We only know how many died as a result of either dying from something else and having Covid at the same time or having died of something else and having Covid put on the death certificate. Which happened frequently during the initial outbreak.
Idiot. I was in hospital twice and still have side-effects. Sister-in-law has just been in bed for a week. But your' alright you selfish ......
I'm selfish because you were in hospital twice 'with' Covid and your sis in law is a bit ill? Err ok. If you say so.
Most people haven't been in hospital or in bed ill with it.
I've never been in a car crash, so airbags seatbelts have never helped me, may as well not bother with them....
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
You’ve gotten distracted from my actual point, I just posted a link to a politician who wants to control what people think.
Excuse me if this sounds patronising but I always have this problem when dealing with libertarians. Libertarians see the world in black and white. "If you advocate any shackles on pure freedom, you are the enemy."
Here's the problem. Leave social media unpoliced, leave it free for anyone to say anything and do you know what happens? Enemy foreign powers realise that they have a direct line into the heads of tens of millions of gullible people, who can be fed propaganda with efficiency of effort that Goebbels and Lenin could only have dreamed of.
That's not a dystopian future. It's been happening for the past decade. You can see the consequences in some of the posters we have here.
Do you remember how those who opposed the Iraq war were represented in the media? I’m sure that if that was now, saying Saddam didn’t have MWD would be flagged as misinformation by Twitter.
People are capable of independent thought. I have this problem with leftists or to an extent as you have alluded to right-wing conspiracists. They think every person who has an alternative view has been brainwashed / misled.
If an opinion is so obviously reprehensible it can be shut down with evidence and the overriding opinion of the free public square.
The state controls social media in Russia and China. Yes that’s obviously an extreme example, but the slippery slope is real.
Trudeau in Canada blocked the bank accounts of those who protested against him, what did you think of that?
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Tyke you’ve summed things up nicely. What you’ve described is today society in a nut shell. It’s everyone else’s fault. If you’re not feeling victimised or minimised you’re the aggressor or the one to blame. Gone are the days of having a bad few days and getting on with it.
Every day is hard in the real world of the average person working to earn a crust and support their families.
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Something most were stopped from doing due to a mild respiratory virus, because the Government said so.
Once you allow the Government to control your ability to work and feed your kids, you're screwed. The vast majority gave this right up without so much as a whimper.
Mild?? Remind us all how many died - and like me nearly died - of something 'mild'?
Yes. Mild. We don't know how many died as a direct consequence of the virus. We only know how many died as a result of either dying from something else and having Covid at the same time or having died of something else and having Covid put on the death certificate. Which happened frequently during the initial outbreak.
Idiot. I was in hospital twice and still have side-effects. Sister-in-law has just been in bed for a week. But your' alright you selfish ......
I'm selfish because you were in hospital twice 'with' Covid and your sis in law is a bit ill? Err ok. If you say so.
Most people haven't been in hospital or in bed ill with it.
I've never been in a car crash, so airbags seatbelts have never helped me, may as well not bother with them....
Not heard that one before........... :whistle:
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Tyke you’ve summed things up nicely. What you’ve described is today society in a nut shell. It’s everyone else’s fault. If you’re not feeling victimised or minimised you’re the aggressor or the one to blame. Gone are the days of having a bad few days and getting on with it.
Every day is hard in the real world of the average person working to earn a crust and support their families.
[/i][/b]
Something most were stopped from doing due to a mild respiratory virus, because the Government said so.
Once you allow the Government to control your ability to work and feed your kids, you're screwed. The vast majority gave this right up without so much as a whimper.
Mild?? Remind us all how many died - and like me nearly died - of something 'mild'?
Yes. Mild. We don't know how many died as a direct consequence of the virus. We only know how many died as a result of either dying from something else and having Covid at the same time or having died of something else and having Covid put on the death certificate. Which happened frequently during the initial outbreak.
Idiot. I was in hospital twice and still have side-effects. Sister-in-law has just been in bed for a week. But your' alright you selfish ......
I'm selfish because you were in hospital twice 'with' Covid and your sis in law is a bit ill? Err ok. If you say so.
Most people haven't been in hospital or in bed ill with it.
You are selfish because you care for no-one but yourself - as you have shown over many posts.
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
You’ve gotten distracted from my actual point, I just posted a link to a politician who wants to control what people think.
Excuse me if this sounds patronising but I always have this problem when dealing with libertarians. Libertarians see the world in black and white. "If you advocate any shackles on pure freedom, you are the enemy."
Here's the problem. Leave social media unpoliced, leave it free for anyone to say anything and do you know what happens? Enemy foreign powers realise that they have a direct line into the heads of tens of millions of gullible people, who can be fed propaganda with efficiency of effort that Goebbels and Lenin could only have dreamed of.
That's not a dystopian future. It's been happening for the past decade. You can see the consequences in some of the posters we have here.
Do you remember how those who opposed the Iraq war were represented in the media? I’m sure that if that was now, saying Saddam didn’t have MWD would be flagged as misinformation by Twitter.
People are capable of independent thought. I have this problem with leftists or to an extent as you have alluded to right-wing conspiracists. They think every person who has an alternative view has been brainwashed / misled.
If an opinion is so obviously reprehensible it can be shut down with evidence and the overriding opinion of the free public square.
The state controls social media in Russia and China. Yes that’s obviously an extreme example, but the slippery slope is real.
Trudeau in Canada blocked the bank accounts of those who protested against him, what did you think of that?
Clearly you missed the million people in central London who were protesting about going to war again in Iraq , it was all over the media for weeks .
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
You’ve gotten distracted from my actual point, I just posted a link to a politician who wants to control what people think.
Excuse me if this sounds patronising but I always have this problem when dealing with libertarians. Libertarians see the world in black and white. "If you advocate any shackles on pure freedom, you are the enemy."
Here's the problem. Leave social media unpoliced, leave it free for anyone to say anything and do you know what happens? Enemy foreign powers realise that they have a direct line into the heads of tens of millions of gullible people, who can be fed propaganda with efficiency of effort that Goebbels and Lenin could only have dreamed of.
That's not a dystopian future. It's been happening for the past decade. You can see the consequences in some of the posters we have here.
Do you remember how those who opposed the Iraq war were represented in the media? I’m sure that if that was now, saying Saddam didn’t have MWD would be flagged as misinformation by Twitter.
People are capable of independent thought. I have this problem with leftists or to an extent as you have alluded to right-wing conspiracists. They think every person who has an alternative view has been brainwashed / misled.
If an opinion is so obviously reprehensible it can be shut down with evidence and the overriding opinion of the free public square.
The state controls social media in Russia and China. Yes that’s obviously an extreme example, but the slippery slope is real.
Trudeau in Canada blocked the bank accounts of those who protested against him, what did you think of that?
Clearly you missed the million people in central London who were protesting about going to war again in Iraq , it was all over the media for weeks .
https://fujomedia.eu/chilcot-news-media/
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
You’ve gotten distracted from my actual point, I just posted a link to a politician who wants to control what people think.
Excuse me if this sounds patronising but I always have this problem when dealing with libertarians. Libertarians see the world in black and white. "If you advocate any shackles on pure freedom, you are the enemy."
Here's the problem. Leave social media unpoliced, leave it free for anyone to say anything and do you know what happens? Enemy foreign powers realise that they have a direct line into the heads of tens of millions of gullible people, who can be fed propaganda with efficiency of effort that Goebbels and Lenin could only have dreamed of.
That's not a dystopian future. It's been happening for the past decade. You can see the consequences in some of the posters we have here.
Do you remember how those who opposed the Iraq war were represented in the media? I’m sure that if that was now, saying Saddam didn’t have MWD would be flagged as misinformation by Twitter.
People are capable of independent thought. I have this problem with leftists or to an extent as you have alluded to right-wing conspiracists. They think every person who has an alternative view has been brainwashed / misled.
If an opinion is so obviously reprehensible it can be shut down with evidence and the overriding opinion of the free public square.
The state controls social media in Russia and China. Yes that’s obviously an extreme example, but the slippery slope is real.
Trudeau in Canada blocked the bank accounts of those who protested against him, what did you think of that?
Clearly you missed the million people in central London who were protesting about going to war again in Iraq , it was all over the media for weeks .
https://fujomedia.eu/chilcot-news-media/
Your assuming because it was in the media the public swallowed it .
They didn't entirely .
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
You’ve gotten distracted from my actual point, I just posted a link to a politician who wants to control what people think.
Excuse me if this sounds patronising but I always have this problem when dealing with libertarians. Libertarians see the world in black and white. "If you advocate any shackles on pure freedom, you are the enemy."
Here's the problem. Leave social media unpoliced, leave it free for anyone to say anything and do you know what happens? Enemy foreign powers realise that they have a direct line into the heads of tens of millions of gullible people, who can be fed propaganda with efficiency of effort that Goebbels and Lenin could only have dreamed of.
That's not a dystopian future. It's been happening for the past decade. You can see the consequences in some of the posters we have here.
Do you remember how those who opposed the Iraq war were represented in the media? I’m sure that if that was now, saying Saddam didn’t have MWD would be flagged as misinformation by Twitter.
People are capable of independent thought. I have this problem with leftists or to an extent as you have alluded to right-wing conspiracists. They think every person who has an alternative view has been brainwashed / misled.
If an opinion is so obviously reprehensible it can be shut down with evidence and the overriding opinion of the free public square.
The state controls social media in Russia and China. Yes that’s obviously an extreme example, but the slippery slope is real.
Trudeau in Canada blocked the bank accounts of those who protested against him, what did you think of that?
Clearly you missed the million people in central London who were protesting about going to war again in Iraq , it was all over the media for weeks .
https://fujomedia.eu/chilcot-news-media/
Your assuming because it was in the media the public swallowed it .
They didn't entirely .
Ok thanks, I was only 8 years old after all!
The point I’m trying to make is that state endorsed censorship and media control (there was no social media to censor then) is wrong and that it won’t always be on your side. You got hung up on a technicality there.
It’s good to allow people to be open minded and question the groupthink, this is how we move forwards as a society.
Back to the topic, this Meloni looks like she has formed a coalition with centre-right parties so she will be toned down a bit. It will be interesting to see what the EU think of her and vice versa.
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A coalition with centre right parties?
One of them is led by a billionaire criminal who's involvement in politics these days revolves around keeping himself out of jail. And the other funded by Putin and has a leader who has supported flat taxes and opposed gay rights. And he also once tweeted that a communist judge should be shot.
I'd hate to see what you consider to be "far right".
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
You’ve gotten distracted from my actual point, I just posted a link to a politician who wants to control what people think.
Excuse me if this sounds patronising but I always have this problem when dealing with libertarians. Libertarians see the world in black and white. "If you advocate any shackles on pure freedom, you are the enemy."
Here's the problem. Leave social media unpoliced, leave it free for anyone to say anything and do you know what happens? Enemy foreign powers realise that they have a direct line into the heads of tens of millions of gullible people, who can be fed propaganda with efficiency of effort that Goebbels and Lenin could only have dreamed of.
That's not a dystopian future. It's been happening for the past decade. You can see the consequences in some of the posters we have here.
Do you remember how those who opposed the Iraq war were represented in the media? I’m sure that if that was now, saying Saddam didn’t have MWD would be flagged as misinformation by Twitter.
People are capable of independent thought. I have this problem with leftists or to an extent as you have alluded to right-wing conspiracists. They think every person who has an alternative view has been brainwashed / misled.
If an opinion is so obviously reprehensible it can be shut down with evidence and the overriding opinion of the free public square.
The state controls social media in Russia and China. Yes that’s obviously an extreme example, but the slippery slope is real.
Trudeau in Canada blocked the bank accounts of those who protested against him, what did you think of that?
Clearly you missed the million people in central London who were protesting about going to war again in Iraq , it was all over the media for weeks .
https://fujomedia.eu/chilcot-news-media/
Your assuming because it was in the media the public swallowed it .
They didn't entirely .
Ok thanks, I was only 8 years old after all!
The point I’m trying to make is that state endorsed censorship and media control (there was no social media to censor then) is wrong and that it won’t always be on your side. You got hung up on a technicality there.
It’s good to allow people to be open minded and question the groupthink, this is how we move forwards as a society.
Back to the topic, this Meloni looks like she has formed a coalition with centre-right parties so she will be toned down a bit. It will be interesting to see what the EU think of her and vice versa.
Let me put it to you another way on how it played out or at least as I remember it .
The Labour vote at the 2005 election fell off the cliff and to be honest the fact that no WOMD's were ever found was in that loss of votes but the main reason was the fact we'd gone back there at all .
The media were also waking up to the fact that Blair and Bush were getting a little too chumy and getting fed up with it and they were saying so .
They won the 2005 election comfortably enough although they couldn't really lose it given the Tories were in disarray .
However Blair knew he was shot and he knew why and a plan was hatched for Brown to take over .
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A coalition with centre right parties?
One of them is led by a billionaire criminal who's involvement in politics these days revolves around keeping himself out of jail. And the other funded by Putin and has a leader who has supported flat taxes and opposed gay rights. And he also once tweeted that a communist judge should be shot.
I'd hate to see what you consider to be "far right".
UKIP, BNP etc…
You’ve got hung up on a subjective technicality rather than debate any of my above points.
Believe it our not I’m not an expert in Italian politics, I’m just going off what I’ve read.
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“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.”
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
You’ve gotten distracted from my actual point, I just posted a link to a politician who wants to control what people think.
Excuse me if this sounds patronising but I always have this problem when dealing with libertarians. Libertarians see the world in black and white. "If you advocate any shackles on pure freedom, you are the enemy."
Here's the problem. Leave social media unpoliced, leave it free for anyone to say anything and do you know what happens? Enemy foreign powers realise that they have a direct line into the heads of tens of millions of gullible people, who can be fed propaganda with efficiency of effort that Goebbels and Lenin could only have dreamed of.
That's not a dystopian future. It's been happening for the past decade. You can see the consequences in some of the posters we have here.
Do you remember how those who opposed the Iraq war were represented in the media? I’m sure that if that was now, saying Saddam didn’t have MWD would be flagged as misinformation by Twitter.
People are capable of independent thought. I have this problem with leftists or to an extent as you have alluded to right-wing conspiracists. They think every person who has an alternative view has been brainwashed / misled.
If an opinion is so obviously reprehensible it can be shut down with evidence and the overriding opinion of the free public square.
The state controls social media in Russia and China. Yes that’s obviously an extreme example, but the slippery slope is real.
Trudeau in Canada blocked the bank accounts of those who protested against him, what did you think of that?
Clearly you missed the million people in central London who were protesting about going to war again in Iraq , it was all over the media for weeks .
https://fujomedia.eu/chilcot-news-media/
Your assuming because it was in the media the public swallowed it .
They didn't entirely .
Ok thanks, I was only 8 years old after all!
The point I’m trying to make is that state endorsed censorship and media control (there was no social media to censor then) is wrong and that it won’t always be on your side. You got hung up on a technicality there.
It’s good to allow people to be open minded and question the groupthink, this is how we move forwards as a society.
Back to the topic, this Meloni looks like she has formed a coalition with centre-right parties so she will be toned down a bit. It will be interesting to see what the EU think of her and vice versa.
Let me put it to you another way on how it played out or at least as I remember it .
The Labour vote at the 2005 election fell off the cliff and to be honest the fact that no WOMD's were ever found was in that loss of votes but the main reason was the fact we'd gone back there at all .
The media were also waking up to the fact that Blair and Bush were getting a little too chumy and getting fed up with it and they were saying so .
They won the 2005 election comfortably enough although they couldn't really lose it given the Tories were in disarray .
However Blair knew he was shot and he knew why and a plan was hatched for Brown to take over .
Thanks Tyke.
I know I’ve got some different opinions to you lot but I do enjoy the debate, learning things on here and seeing things from other perspectives.
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A coalition with centre right parties?
One of them is led by a billionaire criminal who's involvement in politics these days revolves around keeping himself out of jail. And the other funded by Putin and has a leader who has supported flat taxes and opposed gay rights. And he also once tweeted that a communist judge should be shot.
I'd hate to see what you consider to be "far right".
UKIP, BNP etc…
You’ve got hung up on a subjective technicality rather than debate any of my above points.
Believe it our not I’m not an expert in Italian politics, I’m just going off what I’ve read.
If you're reading that Matteo Salvini is centre-right, I respectfully suggest you need to widen your sources.
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You reckon fascists usually get elected on a policy of "we are going to destroy democracy and instigate a far right dictatorship"?
It is important to recognise the signs of any sort of ideological creep early on. I think leaders are becoming increasingly authoritarian.
Take this speech for example.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1575002436808298501?s=46&t=9W-l1BNgMMMEw_nq6_VUOQ
Ah. The caring Jacinda and her love for us all. What did she say during Covid? Something along the lines of if it doesn't come from the NZ Government then it is misinformation. :lol: :lol:
Jesus. Poor sods in kiwiland. Dictator in plain sight.
Nothing wrong with authoritarian governments when it's needed .
They save the population from the selfish ........... :byebye: :byebye:
The Y axis of the political compass is just as important as the X axis.
Be careful when cheering authoritarians on, another will soon be against you one day.
I wouldn't lecture myself on authoritarian governments if I was you as a former member of the Enemy Within Club .
You wouldn't know an authoritarian government if it bit you on the nose .
A load of hysterical nonsense by folk who weren't even locked down anyway in the true sense of the phrase .
We’ve moved on to New Zealand.
You literally just said there’s nothing wrong with authoritarian governments in “times of need”. Go lecture yourself then.
I don't need to lecture myself , a very contagious virus that kills a huge number of people with underlying health issues and in some cases perfectly healthy ones .
A virus that had the capacity to totally and utterly crash the economy .
The government of that time supported you , paid you to stay at home , supported businesses and tried to ensure life would be returned once the virus was contained .
All they asked is that you took care of yourself and by doing so protected others by trying to keep away from others as much as you could .
In essence that's all they asked you to do and you consider that authoritarian ?
Have a word with yourself .
You’ve gotten distracted from my actual point, I just posted a link to a politician who wants to control what people think.
Excuse me if this sounds patronising but I always have this problem when dealing with libertarians. Libertarians see the world in black and white. "If you advocate any shackles on pure freedom, you are the enemy."
Here's the problem. Leave social media unpoliced, leave it free for anyone to say anything and do you know what happens? Enemy foreign powers realise that they have a direct line into the heads of tens of millions of gullible people, who can be fed propaganda with efficiency of effort that Goebbels and Lenin could only have dreamed of.
That's not a dystopian future. It's been happening for the past decade. You can see the consequences in some of the posters we have here.
Do you remember how those who opposed the Iraq war were represented in the media? I’m sure that if that was now, saying Saddam didn’t have MWD would be flagged as misinformation by Twitter.
People are capable of independent thought. I have this problem with leftists or to an extent as you have alluded to right-wing conspiracists. They think every person who has an alternative view has been brainwashed / misled.
If an opinion is so obviously reprehensible it can be shut down with evidence and the overriding opinion of the free public square.
The state controls social media in Russia and China. Yes that’s obviously an extreme example, but the slippery slope is real.
Trudeau in Canada blocked the bank accounts of those who protested against him, what did you think of that?
Clearly you missed the million people in central London who were protesting about going to war again in Iraq , it was all over the media for weeks .
https://fujomedia.eu/chilcot-news-media/
Your assuming because it was in the media the public swallowed it .
They didn't entirely .
Ok thanks, I was only 8 years old after all!
The point I’m trying to make is that state endorsed censorship and media control (there was no social media to censor then) is wrong and that it won’t always be on your side. You got hung up on a technicality there.
It’s good to allow people to be open minded and question the groupthink, this is how we move forwards as a society.
Back to the topic, this Meloni looks like she has formed a coalition with centre-right parties so she will be toned down a bit. It will be interesting to see what the EU think of her and vice versa.
Let me put it to you another way on how it played out or at least as I remember it .
The Labour vote at the 2005 election fell off the cliff and to be honest the fact that no WOMD's were ever found was in that loss of votes but the main reason was the fact we'd gone back there at all .
The media were also waking up to the fact that Blair and Bush were getting a little too chumy and getting fed up with it and they were saying so .
They won the 2005 election comfortably enough although they couldn't really lose it given the Tories were in disarray .
However Blair knew he was shot and he knew why and a plan was hatched for Brown to take over .
Thanks Tyke.
I know I’ve got some different opinions to you lot but I do enjoy the debate, learning things on here and seeing things from other perspectives.
Nice one Rover :thumbsup: