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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on October 12, 2022, 09:29:26 am
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One thing is certain, if we once again defend like we did in the first half last night v Barnsley and have players in mid field contributing next to nothing in front of the defenders we are in for a tough day at Carlisle.
The pitch at Carlisle always looked big to me whether this is because the stands seem stood back from the pitch who knows, but attacking players wide always seem to have room to work in, and over the years Carlisle have always looked to exploit these areas, and get the ball in the box
On last nights showing, with no pace at the back being exposed all the first half down the left and central, and the defenders never landing a glove on the Barnsley attackers, Knoyle, and Faulkner have to return into the action with Clayton who gives them some cover and makes contact with the opposition, Barlow, Ravenhill Long and Anderson who looked a shadow of the player a couple of seasons ago, but we know can be a good player and deserves time to get back once again failing to show they are up to the standard we require of first team footballers. Add a total lack of any penetration up front until changes were made at half time resulted in the first half last night being a hard watch for our supporters.
Any bright lights were only supplied when we made changes, Miller and Hurst now look players who have improved since coming and if they continue will have good careers, Miller actually having a great left footed shot on the run saved just after half time, something he must have been working on or hiding in previous games.
Carlisle have won 3 games and Drawn 3 and are unbeaten at home in the league with Dennis being top scorer on seven goals one of the top scorers in the division, and Saturday burst the Hartlepool bubble when they beat us by coming from behind for a 3-1 win with two goals from substitute Omari Patrick showing they have more than one danger man up front and secured their second away victory of the week, so unbeaten at home, and in form, we have a very hard game on our hands.
No doubt players who didn't take part last night will return Faulkner, and Knoyle were a big miss v Barnsley along with Clayton, one success last night being Jones who had a good game while poorly protected in front of him. and showed Mitchell he has competition. I prefer Maxwell even with his faults to Long who's lack of pace is a worry , Miller a shoe in to return and should want to play, Agard and Close also showing better form in games than what was on show last night in the first half.
Lots to discuss about this game, lots of things to discuss about our line up, three at the back or a four, and a pitch where you have to be a tight defensive unit, and where players can find space to play, and a team in form after finishing last season well in the second half of the season, Please have your say.
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Rovers to win 14/5 , Rovers to win with over 1.5 goals in the match 4/1, with over 2.5 goals 11/2
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One of my favourite away days. Remember watching Eduardo get his leg broken for Arsenal in the little club house before a game many moons ago!
Miller was good last night, Hurst is generally always good for us and again so last night. It's hard to lift the gloom at the moment, but the majority of players keep showing their pride and fight - a much better second half last night evidence of that.
Each game now just feels like either a temporary extension for Gary, or another nail in the coffin.
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Based on who I assume will be fit.
Team:
3-4-1-2
Mitchell
Faulkner
Williams
Long
Knoyle
Clayton
Close,
Hurst
Biggins
Agard
Miller
Subs from: Jones, Anderson, Maxwell, Ravenhill, Taylor, Woltman, Molyneux, Griffiths. ( one of which will miss out )
I assume Olowu Rowe, are not ready yet of course.
Would give Anderson and Taylor at least another week before starting either of them.
Tough match against a team in form. GM needs to tell them to go out and attack, show no fear. Carlisle are due a home defeat. Let’s be the first team to inflict it as we were at Northampton.
This is make or break for GM.
Performance performance performance. If we lose with a good one then fair enough but if we play as we did at Hartlepool or that 1st half v Leyton Orient then time is up imo.
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Agard had food poisoning so I guess it depends how bad he was
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Based on who I assume will be fit.
Team:
3-4-1-2
Mitchell
Faulkner
Williams
Long
Knoyle
Clayton
Close,
Hurst
Biggins
Agard
Miller
Subs from: Jones, Anderson, Maxwell, Ravenhill, Taylor, Woltman, Molyneux, Griffiths. ( one of which will miss out )
I assume Olowu Rowe, are not ready yet of course.
Would give Anderson and Taylor at least another week before starting either of them.
Tough match against a team in form. GM needs to tell them to go out and attack, show no fear. Carlisle are due a home defeat. Let’s be the first team to inflict it as we were at Northampton.
This is make or break for GM.
Performance performance performance. If we lose with a good one then fair enough but if we play as we did at Hartlepool or that 1st half v Leyton Orient then time is up imo.
I can just imagine you being at Balaclava. All this Attack Attack Attack stuff
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Agard had food poisoning so I guess it depends how bad he was
Ah so when GMcS said Agard was pushing it through the eye of a needle he wasn't talking about playing him in the #10 role :chair:
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Based on who I assume will be fit.
Team:
3-4-1-2
Mitchell
Faulkner
Williams
Long
Knoyle
Clayton
Close,
Hurst
Biggins
Agard
Miller
Subs from: Jones, Anderson, Maxwell, Ravenhill, Taylor, Woltman, Molyneux, Griffiths. ( one of which will miss out )
I assume Olowu Rowe, are not ready yet of course.
Would give Anderson and Taylor at least another week before starting either of them.
Tough match against a team in form. GM needs to tell them to go out and attack, show no fear. Carlisle are due a home defeat. Let’s be the first team to inflict it as we were at Northampton.
This is make or break for GM.
Performance performance performance. If we lose with a good one then fair enough but if we play as we did at Hartlepool or that 1st half v Leyton Orient then time is up imo.
I can just imagine you being at Balaclava. All this Attack Attack Attack stuff
Just one Attack in the 1st half at Carlisle will be an improvement on last Saturday. ;)
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This, assuming Agard not fit enough for 90+ minutes:
Mitchell
Faulkner
Anderson
Long
Knoyle
Biggins
Clayton
Close,
Hurst
Molyneux
Miller
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This, assuming Agard not fit enough for 90+ minutes:
Mitchell
Faulkner
Anderson
Long
Knoyle
Biggins
Clayton
Close,
Hurst
Molyneux
Miller
I would also play Anderson instead of Williams if he is fit enough to play 90 mins.
I am assuming as he has only had 45 mins that he may need more game time on the trading pitch or in a behind closed doors friendly.
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I thought he had 60 minutes, v Barnsley youth team?
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This, assuming Agard not fit enough for 90+ minutes:
Mitchell
Faulkner
Anderson
Long
Knoyle
Biggins
Clayton
Close,
Hurst
Molyneux
Miller
I would also play Anderson instead of Williams if he is fit enough to play 90 mins.
I am assuming as he has only had 45 mins that he may need more game time on the trading pitch or in a behind closed doors friendly.
I would also start Anderson, I thought he played quite well on Tuesday, & is our best central defender that can come out & pick out a pass, rather than the hopeless punts forward.
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I thought he had 60 minutes, v Barnsley youth team?
Sorry Alan yes he did. It was Miller and Hurst who came on at H/T for Griffiths and Barlow I think.
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Have we sold many for Saturday, who is going from here
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Got our tickets, going on the train for a change, & a few beers of course.
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Mitchell
Anderson. Long
Knoyle. Maxwell
Clayton. Biggins
Molyneux Hurst
Miller. Woltman
Subs Agard, Goodman, Close, Taylor, Faulkner, Seaman, Jones
I would leave Williams out of the squad as well as Griffiths they aren’t producing enough to be in there. Barlow also has never really done it in a rovers shirt. Ravenhill would just fail to get in the squad because of Close. Seaman I would pick on the bench due to his versatility. Goodman deserves to start getting minutes on the pitch.
Faulkner even at eighteen is a better bet than Williams. I think the Anderson/Long partnership could work if they get enough games together.
Woltman drifting in between midfield and Miller providing the cutting edge. Put Molyneux where he was playing at Hartlepool and get Hurst down the left. Clayton and Biggins job should be to give the ball to our creative players and screen the defence.
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A very good home record in the league. Lost only 1 in 10 at home and that was back on 9 April. Well do very well to get a result there.
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Comfortable home win, with another shambles of a performance. Can’t see anything else.
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Mitchell
Anderson. Long
Knoyle. Maxwell
Clayton. Biggins
Molyneux Hurst
Miller. Woltman
Subs Agard, Goodman, Close, Taylor, Faulkner, Seaman, Jones
I would leave Williams out of the squad as well as Griffiths they aren’t producing enough to be in there. Barlow also has never really done it in a rovers shirt. Ravenhill would just fail to get in the squad because of Close. Seaman I would pick on the bench due to his versatility. Goodman deserves to start getting minutes on the pitch.
Faulkner even at eighteen is a better bet than Williams. I think the Anderson/Long partnership could work if they get enough games together.
Woltman drifting in between midfield and Miller providing the cutting edge. Put Molyneux where he was playing at Hartlepool and get Hurst down the left. Clayton and Biggins job should be to give the ball to our creative players and screen the defence.
We have to start with Close for me. Not convinced Anderson is fit enough to start he looked very “rusty” on Tuesday. Still don’t get this big hate of Williams - he’s played as well as his defensive partner whoever it has been (a point I believe you alluded to was the amount of chopping and changing that has had to have been done)
We need to start on the front foot whatever team is selected
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This, assuming Agard not fit enough for 90+ minutes:
Mitchell
Faulkner
Anderson
Long
Knoyle
Biggins
Clayton
Close,
Hurst
Molyneux
Miller
I like that lineup Alan although I’d be tempted to play Woltman with Miller and Molyneux instead of Biggins
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Have we sold many for Saturday, who is going from here
I am going. ;)
Got it down for a draw. But if we don’t start well I am very fearful that we could be 2-0 down in first 25 mins and we will be chasing the game AGAIN.
Carlisle will be up for this, they are in good form and we need to be at it from the 1st min.
Man for man we have better players but it’s about showing it as a collective once we cross that white line.
Can GM give an inspirational team talk which will get the players fired up and believing they can win.
That’s the million dollar question.
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They are a good side and in a good run of form at the moment. They've only lost one game all season in the league and are unbeaten at home.
They of course have Paul Simpson in charge, the ex-England U20 head coach, and manager of over 400 games, who wasn't a good fit for our managerial position last year because he didn't know the league as well as Gary McSheffrey. From this, one can only conclude that their upturn in results since February must be due to other factors aside from the manager.
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Comfortable home win, with another shambles of a performance. Can’t see anything else.
Really?
What if ‘Big Tom’ finally shows he’s shaken off the ‘cloud’ that’s hung over his recent appearances as he’s gaining fitness & game time recovering from a niggling injury & plays alongside Long.
What if Biggins has gained a little self belief after his first goal in Rovers colours & can thread balls through to the strikers runs with Clayton ‘sat behind’ him & playing balls forward instead of backwards or sideways?
What if Hurst & Molyneaux can give some width to that midfield when we’re on the front foot or come inside to lend support when things ‘stall’ in midfield & inject a bit of pace, hold & run with the ball at defenders forcing them to turn & leave space for Knoyle to join the attacks?
What if GM plays Agard alongside Miller who will be wanting to continue his scoring run & must be full of confidence.
Can you really not see anything but “a shambles”?
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Comfortable home win, with another shambles of a performance. Can’t see anything else.
Stop sitting on the fence, Colin! :lol:
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You only get splinters up there Wiltshire!
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I will be surprised if Long or Anderson start on Saturdat after the chasing a 16 year old gave them down the middle and our left side on Tuesday evening in the first half.
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Comfortable home win, with another shambles of a performance. Can’t see anything else.
Really?
What if ‘Big Tom’ finally shows he’s shaken off the ‘cloud’ that’s hung over his recent appearances as he’s gaining fitness & game time recovering from a niggling injury & plays alongside Long.
What if Biggins has gained a little self belief after his first goal in Rovers colours & can thread balls through to the strikers runs with Clayton ‘sat behind’ him & playing balls forward instead of backwards or sideways?
What if Hurst & Molyneaux can give some width to that midfield when we’re on the front foot or come inside to lend support when things ‘stall’ in midfield & inject a bit of pace, hold & run with the ball at defenders forcing them to turn & leave space for Knoyle to join the attacks?
What if GM plays Agard alongside Miller who will be wanting to continue his scoring run & must be full of confidence.
Can you really not see anything but “a shambles”?
That’s how it should be and that’s what this team are capable of but will GM get them doing it?
Oh please please get them doing it.
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I will be surprised if Long or Anderson start on Saturdat after the chasing a 16 year old gave them down the middle and our left side on Tuesday evening in the first half.
Yes but please tell me where Ravenhill and Barlow were in that midfield.
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So Barlow and Griffiths are injured and looks like both will not be available for Saturday. Groin strain Griffiths and a niggle Barlow. Agard had food poisoning he appears to be getting better.
I don’t think Anderson or Taylor will start but will be on the bench.
We might play three at the back with Faulkner Wiiliams and Long.
Five in midfield Knoyle Biggins Clayton Close Hurst or Maxwell
Two up front of Molyneux or Woltman and Miller.
The bench
Jones, Anderson, Maxwell or Hurst, Ravenhill, Taylor Molyneux or Woltman, Agard.
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Mitchell
Anderson. Long
Knoyle. Maxwell
Clayton. Biggins
Molyneux Hurst
Miller. Woltman
Subs Agard, Goodman, Close, Taylor, Faulkner, Seaman, Jones
I would leave Williams out of the squad as well as Griffiths they aren’t producing enough to be in there. Barlow also has never really done it in a rovers shirt. Ravenhill would just fail to get in the squad because of Close. Seaman I would pick on the bench due to his versatility. Goodman deserves to start getting minutes on the pitch.
Faulkner even at eighteen is a better bet than Williams. I think the Anderson/Long partnership could work if they get enough games together.
Woltman drifting in between midfield and Miller providing the cutting edge. Put Molyneux where he was playing at Hartlepool and get Hurst down the left. Clayton and Biggins job should be to give the ball to our creative players and screen the defence.
Seems very overloaded on the right with nothing on the left :-]]
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Mitchell
Anderson. Long
Knoyle. Maxwell
Clayton. Biggins
Molyneux Hurst
Miller. Woltman
Subs Agard, Goodman, Close, Taylor, Faulkner, Seaman, Jones
I would leave Williams out of the squad as well as Griffiths they aren’t producing enough to be in there. Barlow also has never really done it in a rovers shirt. Ravenhill would just fail to get in the squad because of Close. Seaman I would pick on the bench due to his versatility. Goodman deserves to start getting minutes on the pitch.
Faulkner even at eighteen is a better bet than Williams. I think the Anderson/Long partnership could work if they get enough games together.
Woltman drifting in between midfield and Miller providing the cutting edge. Put Molyneux where he was playing at Hartlepool and get Hurst down the left. Clayton and Biggins job should be to give the ball to our creative players and screen the defence.
We have to start with Close for me. Not convinced Anderson is fit enough to start he looked very “rusty” on Tuesday. Still don’t get this big hate of Williams - he’s played as well as his defensive partner whoever it has been (a point I believe you alluded to was the amount of chopping and changing that has had to have been done)
We need to start on the front foot whatever team is selected
We don't hate Williams, Dude. He's probably a nice bloke. We just think he's not a very good CB.
Certainly not good enough for a team chasing promotion.
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Keeping positive and going for a 2-0 rovers win. Miller with both.
Nothing spectacular in terms of performance and excitement but just a solid win
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You only get splinters up there Wiltshire!
Ha ha! :lol:
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See Ravenhill gone out on loan to National North league and Tommy training with group today is he going to be ready for bench soon??
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1 month loan? Be interesting to see how many games he gets.
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1 month loan? Be interesting to see how many games he gets.
Assuming we’re not stopping him playing in the FA Cup there are 8 fixtures he could play in. Presumably at that point we’ll reassess and potentially extend.
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You can see how development of these types of lads is such a mess. We’re reliant on them to get games on loan to advance them but our constant stream of long, medium and short term injuries to senior players means we are bouncing these lads around for short periods. They need games even at NLN or NPL level but we can’t always spare them.
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Im just hoping we don't have a repeat of the last few games this Saturday.
Seems obvious to everyone bar the people who matter that we cannot keep sending teams out to try to stifle the game and protect the one point, we have proved on numerous occasions over the last few years that we as a team cannot defend for the life of us, we cannot protect our goal sufficiently to play in this way, we need to start matches on the front foot and attack teams.
Its pretty obvious to us all that our best form of defence is to go out and attack, we have some offensive players who if they applied themselves to this task could make a good fist of it, why don't we use the better part of our squads ability and that's attacking.
We have wide players who are too concerned with tracking back instead of facing up and taking on their defender.
We have a centre forward who's not bad, we keep feeding long balls to constantly, but then don't provide him with any sort of support to play with or off, just keep isolating him to run his blood to water for no gain.
We have a supposed box to box player who we use in a sitting and holding role which has been proven countless times this season is not his forte. but we scream out for players to run beyond the forward line, doesn't happen.
We have central defenders who you could say are functional in getting boot to ball and clearing up field but we ask them to play out from the back like they are the sons of Franco Baresi.
We have full backs who are average defenders but mildly competent going forward, why don't we use them as wing backs and stick another Center half inside to boot.
What we need more than anything is luck, because it looks like every time we take the field we loose players, and then have to revert to using back ups in a system that we have failed in countless times already.
We need a sea change in mentality and outlook because if we don't then we may as well just write of this season and struggle to keep our necks out of the trapdoor, its now become that serious.
The management team know what they need to do, its now time to implement.
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We've not done too badly so far says GMc
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We've not done too badly so far says GMc
Considering how we have played in most matches GM is correct. We have done unbelievably well to get 21 points.
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Another 29 points and we should be safe.
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Here we are then.
Away at a team unbeaten at home this season. That are level on points with us and 6th in the current home form table.
https://thefishy.co.uk/formtable.php?table=4
What do we reckon then?
Anything less than a front foot, four nil victory and I'll dread coming on here later.
I was thinking earlier, when did we get to be big time Charlies? I miss the pub team mentality.
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Here we are then.
Away at a team unbeaten at home this season. That are level on points with us and 6th in the current home form table.
https://thefishy.co.uk/formtable.php?table=4
What do we reckon then?
Anything less than a front foot, four nil victory and I'll dread coming on here later.
I was thinking earlier, when did we get to be big time Charlies? I miss the pub team mentality.
Well said. Any point gained away from home is a good one.
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This is the trap people fall in to. Trying to legitimise this as being a battle of equals. It may well be that today, but something has gone terribly wrong with our club if that is the case. Carlisle United have been in League Two for the last ten seasons. Last season they finished 20th in League Two. We are talking about going there and getting a good away point, when a few seasons ago we were in the League One play offs. We’ve fallen badly and it’s really not good.
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It's football. No club has a divine right to be better than another.
We've got to get out of feeling sorry for ourselves and lamenting about what might have been if etc.
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CBcb, how do you think Liverpool, Manchester United, Wolves, Leicester City, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, feel when for all their money spent, their clubs are not in the positions their fans expect them to be.
That is how the game should be, not all the same teams at the top, why the sixties when funds were more fairly distributed more teams did well.
That has gone now, money rules, and plastic fans expecting only the same teams at the top all the time, and the owners to spend their money for their gratification where fourth is success fifth nowhere, and all the riches to the same teams.
The governance of the game constantly edging smaller teams out, cutting their funding and directing it to just a few clubs.
At seventy five I consider I have seen the best of football, yes many things especially for spectator comfort and transport are better, not much else though, in fact it is getting corrupt.
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Their main striker, Kristian Dennis, is out injured.
That will be a big miss for them.
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Anderson back in
3-5-1-1 or 3-5-2 formation it would seem. Depending how he deploys Woltman.
Looks like an attack minded set up. Please GM let Close and or Biggins get forward to support the front men.
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Mitchell keeping us in this
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Again!
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Looks as though Carlisle are dominating.
Well it is the 1st half. :zzz:
Just wait till the 2nd half we will be like Brazil.
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Usual 1st half 1-0 down as normal.
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Utter rubbish first half again. It was so predictable that we would concede and they haven’t let me down. Terrible performance
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12 shots Carlisle
2 shots DRFC
Abysmal again.
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It is so predictable. Nothing changes does it.
These players are so much better than this. Don’t anyone tell me they are not please.
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It is so predictable. Nothing changes does it.
Theses players are so much better than this. Don’t anyone tell me they are not please.
They absolutely are.
A clear game plan would be a start
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Awful
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We are clueless. Utterly clueless. No idea how to defend away from home and no idea how to attack at pace and with any kind of precision.
We might get out of yet by some miracle, but I highly, highly doubt it
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Don’t worry, McSheffrey’s improving things behind the scenes/there’s no one out there who could do a better job/we’ve been hamstrung by injuries/it would be too expensive to sack him/Carlisle-Hartlepool-Barrow are teams we can’t possibly expect to compete with/it’s all the players’ fault/McSheffrey is great as he’s keeping an eye on the under 9s/changing the manager would only lead to a new figure to call for the sack for…
Delete as appropriate.
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I can’t even be bothered to watch. I’m 8 hours behind and I don’t want my entire weekend to be ruined.
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That’s the game done
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2-0 53 mins.
Got to go. He has to.
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I think it's fair to say I won't be down at the Eco Power again until the manager is replaced. I'll keep hoping for wins but I simply can't justify theexpense any longer.
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Absolute joke of a performance. Embarrassment this. How many more will we concede? He needs to go tonight
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Just no plan other than to try and sling it down the sides or over the top ! Utterly clueless, the iPlayer commentators are bemused at how poor we are ! I hope Copps is watching this shower of Sh@t and gets the board the relieve the pair of them off their duties ! We’re the laughing stock of South Yorkshire at the moment.
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3-0 now.
If he doesn’t get his P45 this weekend there is something wrong.
He has to go. He has killed these players with his ridiculous comments to the press.
What do his team talks sound like. Even his H/T ones are now having a negative effect.
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Anyone still want him in charge? Serious question
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Anyone still want him in charge? Serious question
NO
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Blunt should also step down - after all, it was his choice of enthusiasm over anything that was written in the job description.
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As a comparison, Carlisle haven't won a home league game by a three goal margin since 12 December 2020. We've turned up there and been their best home league result in 45 home league games.
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Blunt should also step down - after all, it was his choice of enthusiasm over anything that was written in the job description.
Agree 100% with that Alan.
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Blunt should also step down - after all, it was his choice of enthusiasm over anything that was written in the job description.
Agree 100% with that Alan.
But it isn’t going to happen lads.
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Got to go.
GMc becoming the “Liz Truss” of football management.
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Shambles.
2 wins 1 draw 5 defeats in last 8 games. Going down hill fast.
Copps over to you. Got to be brave and make the difficult decision. Well it’s not a pleasant thing. But it’s not a difficult decision, as it’s one that has to be made to save this season from turning out to be very embarrasing.
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Personally i think anybody who called the guy for wanting us to lose on RS are very stupid. We all want DRFC to do well but, this guy has to go. And whilst he is our manager we will always be shocking. For the good of the club i wanted todays performance. Get him gone.
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You can’t slag the players off in public and expect them to respond positively.
His man management seems to be lacking.
Sure he is a nice guy but is just not up to this management thing.
He gave it a go and sure he has given it 100% but it’s now the end of the road and he must know it.
Should do the decent thing and resign but is probably holding out for his compensation.
Surely some compromise should be reached. Offer him a major role on the youth set up if he is happy to take that role again.
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It would seem we have a better u18 manager!