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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: scawsby steve on November 01, 2022, 07:01:08 pm
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Going in the jungle. I wasn't going to watch it, but it's a cert now with that buffoon being there.
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Just when you think the Tories can't screw up any worse...
Love that the BBC is unbridled in its reporting:
"Andy Drummond, deputy chairman of the West Suffolk Conservative Association, said he was looking forward to seeing Mr Hancock "eating a kangaroo's penis"."
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Not that long ago, he was health secretary during a pandemic, a fumble on film and now he's sharing kangaroo nads with Chris Moyles. Let that be a lesson to you kids , don't let little head rule big head
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Just when you think the Tories can't screw up any worse...
Love that the BBC is unbridled in its reporting:
"Andy Drummond, deputy chairman of the West Suffolk Conservative Association, said he was looking forward to seeing Mr Hancock "eating a kangaroo's penis"."
Who isn't?
It wouldn't surprise me if he got voted to do the bushtucker trial every day he's there.
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And he still gets his MP salary, shamefull!
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I think there should be a by-election in his constituency. It's a gross dereliction of duty to swan off onto a tv show when tax money is paying for him to be at home working for his constituents.
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I’m assuming he has ambitions away from politics at the next election. He shouldn’t be paid whilst he’s in there. I hope he gets every trial to do
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Just when you think the Tories can't screw up any worse...
Love that the BBC is unbridled in its reporting:
"Andy Drummond, deputy chairman of the West Suffolk Conservative Association, said he was looking forward to seeing Mr Hancock "eating a kangaroo's penis"."
It's the kangaroo I feel sorry for...
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More Tory "do what I say not what I do"
This government has had the most self interested and shameful set of leaders in our history. It runs through almost the whole of their Westminster club. Not even kids are officially allowed to have a couple of weeks off school when their parents can't afford the inflated prices of school holiday holidays.
Hancocks Half Soaked Half Employment.
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I’m assuming he has ambitions away from politics at the next election. He shouldn’t be paid whilst he’s in there. I hope he gets every trial to do
He should be heavily fined, at least equivalent to his annual payment, and have his homes turned over to the homeless. But no.... the elite can do what the feck they like. Why do people accept this?
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I’m assuming he has ambitions away from politics at the next election. He shouldn’t be paid whilst he’s in there. I hope he gets every trial to do
If that's the case and he's had enough of politics he should start those ambitions with a by-election.
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Unfortunately this chancer is not alone in conning himself into parliament and pretending to be an MP. It really does beg the question about what sort of vetting do these “professional chancers” have to complete to be considered entry onto a selection list.
It’s unfortunately a fact of life now that we have people entering politics for the wrong reasons and have no wish or desire to work for their constituents or try to make a difference. Their only wish is to enrich themselves and enter into a shady world of dodgy dealings for their own personal self aggrandisement.
I’m hoping this sh**house gets asked to jump out of a helicopter and someone forgets to give him a parachute. To**er.
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What an absolute tool this bloke is..
Great advert for an MP.
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Is this the same Matt Handcock who sat on the front benches wearing a lapel badge showing the colours of the flag of Ukraine?
I’m sure the RAF will fly him home should Putin launch a nuclear warhead so that he can skuttle back from the Australian jungle to the safety of a bunker in Westminster.
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I’m assuming he has ambitions away from politics at the next election. He shouldn’t be paid whilst he’s in there. I hope he gets every trial to do
If that's the case and he's had enough of politics he should start those ambitions with a by-election.
I think Constituents can "recall" any MP for specific reasons with only (guessing) 15% of the Electorate registering their call for a by Election
His should do it if they feel strongly enough and they would be rid of him. I am guessing again that the would then get a pay off in effect a kind of redundancy pay so he will still be quids in
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I hope he chokes on a crocodile's dick.
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hanccck and his mid-life crisis.
''Unlike recall procedures in some other countries, the act does not allow constituents to initiate proceedings. Instead, proceedings are initiated only if an MP is found guilty of a wrongdoing that fulfils certain criteria. This petition is successful if at least one in ten voters in the constituency sign. Successful petitions force the recalled MP to vacate the seat, resulting in a by-election''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recall_of_MPs_Act_2015#:~:text=The%20Recall%20of%20MPs%20Act,introduced%20on%2011%20September%202014.
The seat of West Suffolk,
''This area includes a slightly older demographic profile than the national average, with a significant proportion of semi-detached and detached homes and a higher than average proportion of retired people.[3]''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Suffolk_(UK_Parliament_constituency
A recall not looking good
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Yes... he will not be classed as in the categories that might allow a recall so he will escape
Immoral git, throwing a protective ring around Care Homes, awarding PPE contracts to his Pub Landlord suspected adultery and being a snivelling lying little Weasel don't seem to be there !
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I guess the infamous video will be doing the rounds come the next election, and it's not just being on the shag at work it's where his head was when thousands were dying.
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Ah but don't forget he shed a crocodile tear on TV so eating a Crocs dick shouldn't be too bad
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I'd prefer a crocodile eat his dick, or preferably a whole Hand & Cock.
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I think there should be a by-election in his constituency. It's a gross dereliction of duty to swan off onto a tv show when tax money is paying for him to be at home working for his constituents.
Not a watcher of the programme, but I assume he will be elected off and back home after a week - or do they have to stay out there for the entire time? If they have to stay out there, let's hope he stays on the show and gets some shitty tasks to do....
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Well, if I had to monetise my current life for the benefit of my future life, I sure wouldn't be f**king off to Australia to do bleeding stupid shite for the edification of millions and millions of morons with nowt better to do than gawp at prats making even bigger fools of themselves.
BobG
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Well, if I had to monetise my current life for the benefit of my future life, I sure wouldn't be f**king off to Australia to do bleeding stupid shite for the edification of millions and millions of morons with nowt better to do than gawp at prats making even bigger fools of themselves.
BobG
And yet after watching Johnson & Truss we ought to be getting used to it by now Bob.
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I'm guessing he will get voted for all the tasks
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I think there should be a by-election in his constituency. It's a gross dereliction of duty to swan off onto a tv show when tax money is paying for him to be at home working for his constituents.
Not a watcher of the programme, but I assume he will be elected off and back home after a week - or do they have to stay out there for the entire time? If they have to stay out there, let's hope he stays on the show and gets some shitty tasks to do....
They spend the rest of the time basking in a luxury hotel in the Australian summer sun, Mickey. Personally, I reckon the public will deliberately keep him in, and vote for him to do all the trials.
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I just been pratting about making random alliterative noises around the name 'Matt Hancock' when, quite fortuitously, 'Hatt Mancock' popped out. Appropriate don't you think?
BobG
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The way he’s going I bet he’s annoying all those voting for him because he’s actually doing ok in the trials
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I'd prefer a crocodile eat his dick, or preferably a whole Hand & Cock.
He's got " we threw protective ring round Care Homes" tattooed on his chest.
Even a Crocodile wouldn't swallow that
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I look at from a different angle.
Shame on ITV for cynically using him to boost their profits.
The best way to deal with it is to not watch it and for godsake don't vote either.
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True .... they pulled a rabbit out of the hat there and seem to have got everyone talking about it
Personally I have only seen the very first episode of the very first Series , and I gave up immediately that I found out the Celebrities were in a sterile area which was fenced (they said) and swept of all Spiders ,Snakes etc
So no chance of Hancock getting bitten by anything, let alone A Crock !
A dung beetle would do and be ironic though
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I'd prefer a crocodile eat his dick, or preferably a whole Hand & Cock.
He's got " we threw protective ring round Care Homes" tattooed on his chest.
Even a Crocodile wouldn't swallow that
Very good, DW :thumbsup:
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Never seen a single episode,dont like Ant and Dec.
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Forgetting the politics of this matter and I agree with the fact he shouldn’t be in the jungle
You have to say he’s doing ok in the trials. Normally people are relentlessly selected because they can’t do the trials.
He has been successful
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Forgetting the politics of this matter and I agree with the fact he shouldn’t be in the jungle
You have to say he’s doing ok in the trials. Normally people are relentlessly selected because they can’t do the trials.
He has been successful
‘Doing ok in the trials’!!
He ought to be on bloody trial!
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Midazolam Matt Murders
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He's also quite honest. There's a sense of irony that the thing he did wrong in the cold light of day is by far not the worst thing anyone in there has done.
He's overall a fairly normal man who happened to make a mistake and not necessarily be the best at his job. He's a world away from the villain some pointed out.
He should not be there as a sitting mp though.
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He's an utter t**t. The very worst sort of politician.
Back in 2010, he was the man tasked by Osborne to build an argument why Austerity was good for the country. He latched on to an absolutely batshit idea, kicked around by a tiny number of economists and roundly debunked by everyone else. The voodoo economics of Expansionary Fiscal Contraction. The piffle idea that Govt reducing its spending in a seriously slump would by some black magic, boost the economy.
Of course it didn't. It tanked the economy and left us permanently and eye wateringly poorer than we needed to be.
He was a f**king car crash as Health Secretary in COVID. But that's a pin prick compared to the damage he helped do with Austerity.
If he truly believed the shite about Expansionary Fiscal Contraction, he is too stupid to realise how stupid he is.
If he didn't believe it, he pushed something he knew was wrong and massively dangerous, to further his own and his Party's aims.
Either way, the man is a f**king disgrace. Beneath contempt.
I can't believe folk are going out of their way to watch a Kitson like him trying to rehabilitate himself by ritual humiliation.
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He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.
.... Or on this forum for that matter.
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Oh aye. And I forgot. He's currently taking tax payers' money as salary while he absents himself from the job and tries to rebuild his reputation in the eyes of the gullible.
He's a perfect parable for all that's been wrong with our politics under this bunch.
Unprincipled.
Incompetent.
Lying
Scheming.
Self-interested.
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He's an utter t**t. The very worst sort of politician.
Back in 2010, he was the man tasked by Osborne to build an argument why Austerity was good for the country. He latched on to an absolutely batshit idea, kicked around by a tiny number of economists and roundly debunked by everyone else. The voodoo economics of Expansionary Fiscal Contraction. The piffle idea that Govt reducing its spending in a seriously slump would by some black magic, boost the economy.
Of course it didn't. It tanked the economy and left us permanently and eye wateringly poorer than we needed to be.
He was a f**king car crash as Health Secretary in COVID. But that's a pin prick compared to the damage he helped do with Austerity.
If he truly believed the shite about Expansionary Fiscal Contraction, he is too stupid to realise how stupid he is.
If he didn't believe it, he pushed something he knew was wrong and massively dangerous, to further his own and his Party's aims.
Either way, the man is a f**king disgrace. Beneath contempt.
I can't believe folk are going out of their way to watch a Kitson like him trying to rehabilitate himself by ritual humiliation.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the compassion of the left
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Oh aye. And I forgot. He's currently taking tax payers' money as salary while he absents himself from the job and tries to rebuild his reputation in the eyes of the gullible.
He's a perfect parable for all that's been wrong with our politics under this bunch.
Unprincipled.
Incompetent.
Lying
Scheming.
Self-interested.
It must be wonderful to be a perfect human being. We can all only bow to your ultimate perfection.
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He's an utter t**t. The very worst sort of politician.
Back in 2010, he was the man tasked by Osborne to build an argument why Austerity was good for the country. He latched on to an absolutely batshit idea, kicked around by a tiny number of economists and roundly debunked by everyone else. The voodoo economics of Expansionary Fiscal Contraction. The piffle idea that Govt reducing its spending in a seriously slump would by some black magic, boost the economy.
Of course it didn't. It tanked the economy and left us permanently and eye wateringly poorer than we needed to be.
He was a f**king car crash as Health Secretary in COVID. But that's a pin prick compared to the damage he helped do with Austerity.
If he truly believed the shite about Expansionary Fiscal Contraction, he is too stupid to realise how stupid he is.
If he didn't believe it, he pushed something he knew was wrong and massively dangerous, to further his own and his Party's aims.
Either way, the man is a f**king disgrace. Beneath contempt.
I can't believe folk are going out of their way to watch a Kitson like him trying to rehabilitate himself by ritual humiliation.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the compassion of the left
Compassion?
Compassion?
Are you for real?
This is the man who gave Osborne the case to push the worst economic policy since the 1920s (pre-Truss). The case that has cost us at least a trillion quid of lost output since 2010.
It's the man who lied repeatedly about what he was doing to deal with COVID.
It's the man who gave contracts to friends and acquaintances with zero competence to provide PPE.
It's the man who sent vulnerable old folk by the thousands out of hospital to spread COVID in care homes, killing thousands.
The fact that he got caught getting his end away when the rest of us were isolating merely shows he's immoral as well as f**king useless.
The fact that he's half way round the world pouring his heart out in a planned attempt to re-boot his f**king career while you and I pay his wages shows precisely where his moral compass currently is.
Compassion? You are away with the fairies.
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Oh aye. And I forgot. He's currently taking tax payers' money as salary while he absents himself from the job and tries to rebuild his reputation in the eyes of the gullible.
He's a perfect parable for all that's been wrong with our politics under this bunch.
Unprincipled.
Incompetent.
Lying
Scheming.
Self-interested.
Oh aye, who could be doing with anybody who absents himself from the job and tries to rebuild his failed Labour party in the eyes of the gullible on a 4th tier off-topic football forum?
A perfect example for all that's been wrong with our off-topic forum for several years.
Unprincipled
Hypocritical
Away with the fairies
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He's an utter t**t. The very worst sort of politician.
Back in 2010, he was the man tasked by Osborne to build an argument why Austerity was good for the country. He latched on to an absolutely batshit idea, kicked around by a tiny number of economists and roundly debunked by everyone else. The voodoo economics of Expansionary Fiscal Contraction. The piffle idea that Govt reducing its spending in a seriously slump would by some black magic, boost the economy.
Of course it didn't. It tanked the economy and left us permanently and eye wateringly poorer than we needed to be.
He was a f**king car crash as Health Secretary in COVID. But that's a pin prick compared to the damage he helped do with Austerity.
If he truly believed the shite about Expansionary Fiscal Contraction, he is too stupid to realise how stupid he is.
If he didn't believe it, he pushed something he knew was wrong and massively dangerous, to further his own and his Party's aims.
Either way, the man is a f**king disgrace. Beneath contempt.
I can't believe folk are going out of their way to watch a Kitson like him trying to rehabilitate himself by ritual humiliation.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the compassion of the left
Compassion?
Compassion?
Are you for real?
This is the man who gave Osborne the case to push the worst economic policy since the 1920s (pre-Truss). The case that has cost us at least a trillion quid of lost output since 2010.
It's the man who lied repeatedly about what he was doing to deal with COVID.
It's the man who gave contracts to friends and acquaintances with zero competence to provide PPE.
It's the man who sent vulnerable old folk by the thousands out of hospital to spread COVID in care homes, killing thousands.
The fact that he got caught getting his end away when the rest of us were isolating merely shows he's immoral as well as f**king useless.
The fact that he's half way round the world pouring his heart out in a planned attempt to re-boot his f**king career while you and I pay his wages shows precisely where his moral compass currently is.
Compassion? You are away with the fairies.
There are some thoroughly decent people on here from both sides of the spectrum, sadly you are not one of them
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Neither am I when it comes to Handcock and the rest of that shower. Don't forget we isolated they partied!
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You may have isolated……..
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No may about it
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He's an utter t**t. The very worst sort of politician.
Back in 2010, he was the man tasked by Osborne to build an argument why Austerity was good for the country. He latched on to an absolutely batshit idea, kicked around by a tiny number of economists and roundly debunked by everyone else. The voodoo economics of Expansionary Fiscal Contraction. The piffle idea that Govt reducing its spending in a seriously slump would by some black magic, boost the economy.
Of course it didn't. It tanked the economy and left us permanently and eye wateringly poorer than we needed to be.
He was a f**king car crash as Health Secretary in COVID. But that's a pin prick compared to the damage he helped do with Austerity.
If he truly believed the shite about Expansionary Fiscal Contraction, he is too stupid to realise how stupid he is.
If he didn't believe it, he pushed something he knew was wrong and massively dangerous, to further his own and his Party's aims.
Either way, the man is a f**king disgrace. Beneath contempt.
I can't believe folk are going out of their way to watch a Kitson like him trying to rehabilitate himself by ritual humiliation.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the compassion of the left
Compassion?
Compassion?
Are you for real?
This is the man who gave Osborne the case to push the worst economic policy since the 1920s (pre-Truss). The case that has cost us at least a trillion quid of lost output since 2010.
It's the man who lied repeatedly about what he was doing to deal with COVID.
It's the man who gave contracts to friends and acquaintances with zero competence to provide PPE.
It's the man who sent vulnerable old folk by the thousands out of hospital to spread COVID in care homes, killing thousands.
The fact that he got caught getting his end away when the rest of us were isolating merely shows he's immoral as well as f**king useless.
The fact that he's half way round the world pouring his heart out in a planned attempt to re-boot his f**king career while you and I pay his wages shows precisely where his moral compass currently is.
Compassion? You are away with the fairies.
There are some thoroughly decent people on here from both sides of the spectrum, sadly you are not one of them
Which but of what I said do you think is unacceptable?
Maybe the but where his decision killed thousands of pensioners, then he lied about it?
Or is it the bit where I express my anger that he bears a fair bit of the responsibility for losing the country over £1tr?
Or are you just doing what you do? Again.
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He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.
.... Or on this forum for that matter.
There's definitely some truth in that, BB. I expected Hancock to be as big an arsehole in there as he is as a politician, and Boy George to be a star.
In truth it's the opposite. Hancock has shown some humility and contrition, and has got stuck into the tasks without complaining. Boy George just comes over as a moaning, whining arrogant tw*t completely up his own arse.
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If he donated his fee to charity it would make him a bit human ... but ......
''Covid campaigners fly banner over I’m A Celebrity camp criticising Matt Hancock''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/15/matt-hancock-critics-fly-banner-over-im-a-celebrity-camp
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How about if he stayed at home and actually did the job he was elected to do?
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Unfortunately he couldn't concentrate on his real job or his family.
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How about if he stayed at home and actually did the job he was elected to do?
NO, NO!
Here is a man nay, once a man at the very heart of Boris Johnson’s government….Boris Johnson’s government (I had to repeat that because it didn’t look or sound right first time around) that despite knowing the scorn, ridicule, credulity ( by his constituents & even those ‘apparently on the far left’) decided that this, this..this ‘format’ was THE best way to show once & for all the very best reasons in which to show the ‘man beneath the politician’.
Matt…I salute you.
If only Rees Mogg had your balls.
Next ‘instalment’ perhaps?
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Has this thread run it’s course going around in circles. Why not turn our displeasure onto Boy George who committed acts of violence on another male by falsely imprisoning him and assaulting him.
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Has this thread run it’s course going around in circles. Why not turn our displeasure onto Boy George who committed acts of violence on another male by falsely imprisoning him and assaulting him.
Think your been kind to boy George ,He handcuffed his victim to a radiator and beat him with a chain and he only got away when he broke free and ran into the street
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I'd like to know how Boy George got into the country with his criminal record.
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I bet if he was a Tory there would be f**king hell on by now!
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Very good point BB
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Might be wrong, but last time I checked, Boy George wasn't running the country?
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I never liked Boy George and ignoring him didn’t do me any harm.
I never liked Matt Hancock but despite ignoring him he has affected my life.
Is there any comparison?
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He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.
.... Or on this forum for that matter.
Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.
Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?
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He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.
.... Or on this forum for that matter.
Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.
Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?
You don't have to be a Tory to have an affair, just like you don't have to be a Tory to serve a prison sentence after being convicted of assault and false imprisonment.
You only have to be a Tory to get your transgressions aired by certain people on this forum!
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contrarianism
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He knows his political career will end at the next election.
He’s only 44. (He looks older).
He has 2 households to support.
He has to find a means of funding those households.
I doubt many organisations will be asking him to ‘advise’ them on a paid basis due to the Covid taint.
What better way to reinvent yourself than on a Primetime TV programme where you can show the ‘human’ side of yourself?
His ambition is to earn a good living in TV and getting people to like you is key to that. Of course he’s going to eat kangaroo b*llocks with good humour. Of course he’s going to show humility. Of course he’s going to say ‘I got the big decisions right’.
He’s basically doing a job interview on Prime Time tv.
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sensible reasoning MN
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MN it worked for E Balls when he lost his seat. He’s never looked back
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Ed Balls never oversaw the death of 1000's
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I always think of Michael Portillo endlessly travelling the world on a train in a fedora and crushed strawberry corduroy trousers in situations like this.
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Hancock is nowhere near gifted with the personality presence that Ed Balls and Michael Portillo possess.
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I like Matt Hancock. I was disappointed when he lost his job, although it was inevitable. He has come into the jungle as the pantomime villain but is handling it in a Beckham-esque manner.
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Are you pissed?
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Are you pissed?
That’s a bit of an unpleasant and unnecessary question to ask, Knockers.
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Ha ha! It seems the whole country is ‘pissed’
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Are you pissed?
That’s a bit of an unpleasant and unnecessary question to ask, Knockers.
Drug enhanced?
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Could a Tory win
There’ll be some moaning on here then.
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Could a Tory win
There’ll be some moaning on here then.
I don't believe the general public is as hate obsessed as a handful of people on this forum are.
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projecting your own views onto others again bb?
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Could a Tory win
There’ll be some moaning on here then.
I don't believe the general public is as hate obsessed as a handful of people on this forum are.
BB
Your opinion is based on the assumption that in the Venn Diagram of The General Public, a representative subsection is the intersection between the groups People Who Enjoy Watching IACGMOOH and People Who Are Capable Of Forming Rational Decision.
I suggest that intersection is actually really small, and that your opinion is influenced by the fact that you personally are in the even tinier group People Who Think Boris Johnson Isn't a Sociopathic Liar and Should Still Be PM
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BST, yet after all that I'm capable of knowing that hate-obsessed people are far from capable of forming rational decisions.
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He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.
.... Or on this forum for that matter.
Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.
Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?
You don't have to be a Tory to have an affair, just like you don't have to be a Tory to serve a prison sentence after being convicted of assault and false imprisonment.
You only have to be a Tory to get your transgressions aired by certain people on this forum!
Did I make any mention of Tories or politics? You’re the one obsessed with defending any ‘Tory bashing’ to the extent that you ‘see it’ in posts that haven’t!
I was challenging your take on what you referred to as being “a decent human being”.
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BB. You poison the discussion by insisting this is about hate. When it's actually about cold, rational assessment of a person who was utterly unfit for the job he aspired to, both in ability and, eventually, in his personal self-control.
Why bring hatred into it? Is it so that you don't have to use your critical faculties? If you assume the people who contradict you are consumed with hate, you don't have to take on their arguments?
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BST
That's strange, being accused of poison and hatred by the Harold shipman of the Viking off-topic forum!
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He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.
.... Or on this forum for that matter.
Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.
Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?
You don't have to be a Tory to have an affair, just like you don't have to be a Tory to serve a prison sentence after being convicted of assault and false imprisonment.
You only have to be a Tory to get your transgressions aired by certain people on this forum!
Did I make any mention of Tories or politics? You’re the one obsessed with defending any ‘Tory bashing’ to the extent that you ‘see it’ in posts that haven’t!
I was challenging your take on what you referred to as being “a decent human being”.
Explain to me why you only discredit Matt Hancock and none of the other participants, some of who came over as far worse human beings than him.
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BST
That's strange, being accused of poison and hatred by the Harold shipman of the Viking off-topic forum!
I see that request for more reasoned debate has sailed over your head.
Your call. You keep being unpleasant if you want. I'll go back to ignoring you.
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Debates end with a vote. Seeing as you disregard votes, unless they go your way, why do you insist on getting involved in them?
As for you going back to ignoring me, that's heartbreaking.
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Goodness, is that the time? I mean, is it THAT time again?
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BST.
I think you may have been hacked.
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Goodness, is that the time? I mean, is it THAT time again?
Yeah. But you keep coming back.
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It’s really good to see that Billy doesn’t lose it any more since pretending to ignore some individuals on here. So good to see him just being a nice chap.
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There’s obviously less hate for Hancock in the UK than what there is for him on here
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There’s obviously less hate for Hancock in the UK than what there is for him on here
If you hate him that's fine phil, but don't project your views onto others.
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He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.
.... Or on this forum for that matter.
Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.
Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?
You don't have to be a Tory to have an affair, just like you don't have to be a Tory to serve a prison sentence after being convicted of assault and false imprisonment.
You only have to be a Tory to get your transgressions aired by certain people on this forum!
Did I make any mention of Tories or politics? You’re the one obsessed with defending any ‘Tory bashing’ to the extent that you ‘see it’ in posts that haven’t!
I was challenging your take on what you referred to as being “a decent human being”.
Explain to me why you only discredit Matt Hancock and none of the other participants, some of who came over as far worse human beings than him.
Because YOU used his ‘performance’ on ‘I wish I was someone who didn’t need to revert being on this programme to salvage any vestige of credibility’ or whatever its name is, to tell all & sundry what a ‘decent human being’ he is!
A word of advice to you.
When you hit rock, stop digging.
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He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.
.... Or on this forum for that matter.
Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.
Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?
You don't have to be a Tory to have an affair, just like you don't have to be a Tory to serve a prison sentence after being convicted of assault and false imprisonment.
You only have to be a Tory to get your transgressions aired by certain people on this forum!
Did I make any mention of Tories or politics? You’re the one obsessed with defending any ‘Tory bashing’ to the extent that you ‘see it’ in posts that haven’t!
I was challenging your take on what you referred to as being “a decent human being”.
Explain to me why you only discredit Matt Hancock and none of the other participants, some of who came over as far worse human beings than him.
Because YOU used his ‘performance’ on ‘I wish I was someone who didn’t need to revert being on this programme to salvage any vestige of credibility’ or whatever its name is, to tell all & sundry what a ‘decent human being’ he is!
A word of advice to you.
When you hit rock, stop digging.
Judging on general public reaction proves that I'm right and you're wrong, and it also proves that if I ever took advice from you I would most definitely be hitting rock bottom.
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Syd don’t be your usual argumentative self.
Making up nonsense as usual
Where have I said or inferred that I hate him or dislike him.
Sometimes you stir sxxt for the sake of it and other times you just stir sxxt.
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There’s obviously less hate for Hancock in the UK than what there is for him on here
Would you like to point out where anyone has used the word hate in relation to matt handjob, phil, apart from you that iS?
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He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.
.... Or on this forum for that matter.
Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.
Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?
You don't have to be a Tory to have an affair, just like you don't have to be a Tory to serve a prison sentence after being convicted of assault and false imprisonment.
You only have to be a Tory to get your transgressions aired by certain people on this forum!
Did I make any mention of Tories or politics? You’re the one obsessed with defending any ‘Tory bashing’ to the extent that you ‘see it’ in posts that haven’t!
I was challenging your take on what you referred to as being “a decent human being”.
Explain to me why you only discredit Matt Hancock and none of the other participants, some of who came over as far worse human beings than him.
Because YOU used his ‘performance’ on ‘I wish I was someone who didn’t need to revert being on this programme to salvage any vestige of credibility’ or whatever its name is, to tell all & sundry what a ‘decent human being’ he is!
A word of advice to you.
When you hit rock, stop digging.
Judging on general public reaction proves that I'm right and you're wrong, and it also proves that if I ever took advice from you I would most definitely be hitting rock bottom.
“..general public reaction…”!
Is that the ‘general public’ that watch ‘I’m a nobody who wants to be a somebody’ (or whatever it’s called), Love Island, Celebrity Squares, Celebrity SAS Who Dares Wins etc., etc.
Or is it the general public in the audience of Question Time held in Skipton last week (that I just happened to catch but wouldn’t watch usually with a ‘lightweight presenter’ like Fiona Bruce hosting it) who to a man/woman decried his presence on the ‘show’.
This person you claim you & others like you (NOT the general public) believe is ‘a decent human being’ simply because he gives you ‘enjoyment’ watching him crawling around a ‘TV set jungle’ speaks volumes about your small mindedness.
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https://news.sky.com/story/matt-hancock-has-no-intention-of-standing-down-from-politics-after-im-a-celebrity-stint-12757108
If he's being honest here, I think he's a fool.
Without doubt, the Tories are going to use him as the scapegoat at the Public Inquiry into Covid.
He needs to get out now and rake in as much cash as he can, in as short a period of time possible.
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He might be a t**t of a politician, but he otherwise comes across as a decent human being, which can't be said of all the contestants he's competing with out there in the jungle.
.... Or on this forum for that matter.
Try telling his wife & kids that after he was caught on camera kissing & groping another woman’s arse.
Or is that the measure you use when describing someone as “…a decent human being…”?
You don't have to be a Tory to have an affair, just like you don't have to be a Tory to serve a prison sentence after being convicted of assault and false imprisonment.
You only have to be a Tory to get your transgressions aired by certain people on this forum!
Did I make any mention of Tories or politics? You’re the one obsessed with defending any ‘Tory bashing’ to the extent that you ‘see it’ in posts that haven’t!
I was challenging your take on what you referred to as being “a decent human being”.
Explain to me why you only discredit Matt Hancock and none of the other participants, some of who came over as far worse human beings than him.
Because YOU used his ‘performance’ on ‘I wish I was someone who didn’t need to revert being on this programme to salvage any vestige of credibility’ or whatever its name is, to tell all & sundry what a ‘decent human being’ he is!
A word of advice to you.
When you hit rock, stop digging.
Judging on general public reaction proves that I'm right and you're wrong, and it also proves that if I ever took advice from you I would most definitely be hitting rock bottom.
“..general public reaction…”!
Is that the ‘general public’ that watch ‘I’m a nobody who wants to be a somebody’ (or whatever it’s called), Love Island, Celebrity Squares, Celebrity SAS Who Dares Wins etc., etc.
Or is it the general public in the audience of Question Time held in Skipton last week (that I just happened to catch but wouldn’t watch usually with a ‘lightweight presenter’ like Fiona Bruce hosting it) who to a man/woman decried his presence on the ‘show’.
This person you claim you & others like you (NOT the general public) believe is ‘a decent human being’ simply because he gives you ‘enjoyment’ watching him crawling around a ‘TV set jungle’ speaks volumes about your small mindedness.
Na, I'm referring to normal level-headed folk who take people as they find them and are not influenced by bellyaching whingers with a grudge against anyone and anything that goes against their one-sided lefty-biased views.
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Meanwhile we have the latest statement to come out of Tory Headquarters by the spokesperson from Bentley……yawn.
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The last time I voted for a Tory owd lad was Tony Blair in the 90's.
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What stuck out for me is how different he is versus how he acts in his job and that actually if he had more of the demeanour he has had on this in his job we'd all be in a better place.
Which in reality sums up our politics and political journalism. There's so much emphasis from all sides and the press on catching someone out that it stifles personalities and distracts from the job they probably want to do.
Perhaps if we allowed our politicians from all sides to be themselves and normal people we'd be in a far better place.
Yet on the same day yesterday I saw Lisa nandy interviewed with Andrew Neil and she was massively on the backfoot and unable to coherently get a message out.
I also think Hancock should quit politics as it's holding him back as a person just like it did ed balls, Michael portillo and George Osbourne. All much more favourable figures outside of politics (even if you don't like trains).
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BFYP.
I'd be more sympathetic if Hancock hadn't originally based his political career on setting out the utterly flawed supporting case for Osborne's Austerity.
As I've said before, there are only two reasons he could have done that.
1) He didn't understand the extent of his ignorance, in which case his personal ambition outstripped his ability.
2) He understood damn well that what he was saying was voodoo economics, in which case his personal ambition trumped his honesty.
You seem to be buying into the face he wants to show, that he's fundamentally a decent, honourable person who was destroyed by the media. And yes, I do absolutely agree that our political media is awful, in having as its key aim m, tripping up high profile politicians, rather than enabling a genuinely informative debate. Neil is the very worst of that sort.
But Hancock wasn't in the public eye when he made the Austerity case. So it wasn't the media pressure that made him do that. It was ignorance or immorality.
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I forgot to add. If Hancock pushed the Austerity case through sheer ignorance, that happens. People make mistakes by not knowing the facts that they ought to do.
But having done that, and having had time to reflect on the cataclysmic nature of that mistake, a truly honourable person might have realised that their judgement shouldn't be used in matters of national importance ever again.
Instead, Hancock stayed in politics and became the Heath Secretary in the worst epidemic in a century. And he was personally responsible for the decision to send old folk out of hospitals and into care homes without tests.
He justified that by saying that only symotom-free people were discharged and we didn't then know that COVID could be spread asymptomatically.
Which neatly completes the circle on his competence. Because we knew in this very forum a month before that, that COVID was being spread asymptomatically.
Some folk might see him baring his soul, eating a sheep's t**t and giving people hugs, whike being paid the thick end of half a million quid and not doing the job that we pay him to do as some sort of evidence that he's basically a decent bloke. If you don't mind, I'll beg to differ.
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What I'm hearing about handjob as I've never watched the show ever, is that someone can act differently in a position that doesn't really matter as long as he plays along and collects something in the region of ₤400,000 quelle surprise to that one.
In the real world however he was a rich boy given the best start but couldn't manage under pressure and couldn't keep his hands off the hired help.
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Whoa!
Would you ‘Adam & Eve’ it, Channel 4 has confirmed Mattcock has already put his name forward to appear on ‘Celebrity SAS ‘!
You couldn’t make it up.
A former Health Minister who sanctioned elderly patients to be discharged from hospitals back into their care homes without ensuring they were deemed free of covid, in fact not even screening them before their release from hospital, thus resulting in tens of thousands of care home residents contracting covid & dying as a result.
Still, let’s not kick a dog whilst it’s down eh.
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My argument with some of the Hancock haters is the sheer blatant hypocrisy they show when their sympathy for the victims of the government's mistakes is used as a cover for political reasons.
How many of them would have condemned their beloved Labour party with so much hate if exactly the same mistakes were made under their watch?
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You and phil use the word hate bb, probably as a wind up to try and draw people into an endless mindless debate about nothing.
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Literally no-one else using the word or the sense of the word "hate".
I trust the mods are watching.
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Hate is feeling an intense dislike for.
I trust the mods know that.
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And yet you're determined to foment unnecessary arguments. How strange.
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What's strange is YOU accuse someone else of being determined to foment unnecessary arguments!
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There’s obviously less hate for Hancock in the UK than what there is for him on here
What percentage of the IAC demographic do you think know or care who Hancock is?
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My argument with some of the Hancock haters is the sheer blatant hypocrisy they show when their sympathy for the victims of the government's mistakes is used as a cover for political reasons.
How many of them would have condemned their beloved Labour party with so much hate if exactly the same mistakes were made under their watch?
IF Labour made the same disastrous mistakes under their watch they'd deserve the same amount of approbrium that the Tories got.
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Yes. And?
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AND I'm not going to play your pathetic little game and use the completely inappropriate word 'hate'.
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You're still a bit of a wet lettuce aren't you Mr Wiggerly!
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Classic BB. Lose the argument, insult the person.
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I suspect your history of losing arguments has affected your ability to make sensible conclusions over their outcome.
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Hate is feeling an intense dislike for.
I trust the mods know that.
Oh it’s a word that covers much more than “an intense dislike for”.
The word HATE covers many forms of expression which advocate, incite, promote or ‘justify’ hatred, violence & discrimination against a person or a group of persons.
Perhaps you might reflect on that (although I doubt you have the mental capacity to) before you arbitrarily use the word to describe other posters who disagree with your stance on a subject.
Matt Hancock (despite his decision, when Health Minister to allow elderly people with covid to leave hospitals & return to care homes which resulted in tens of thousands of deaths) doesn’t warrant hatred aimed at him. He was in a position where he was not just out of his depth, he was deluded, weak, self opinionated, ill informed & ultimately dangerously empowered.
For the decisions he made then he is worthy of being loathed, discredited, derided, dismissed but hated….no.
His latest venture to show the world he was ‘a good & decent man’ by joining other like minded, self indulgent so called ‘celebrities’, whilst being an acting MP actually shows him to be nothing more than a self promoting, greedy, pathetic specimen of a man.
Hated? No. Pitied? Maybe (if you possess a big enough heart). Ridiculed? Absolutely.
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From the Collins dictionary
TRANSITIVE VERB
‘ If you hate someone or something, you have an extremely strong feeling of dislike for them.’
TRANSITIVE VERB
‘If you say that you hate something such as a particular activity, you mean that you find it very unpleasant’
I think it’s fair to say that some of the posters on this thread have adequately shown an extreme dislike to Matt Hancock.
You can’t just interpret words in ways that suit agendas. Although it appears on here you can
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Taking emotion out of this Colin, discharging those patients was the correct thing to do. Once there is no further medical need for the patient to be in a hospital bed then that bed needs to be freed up for other people in need. Medical need here excludes recuperating which can be done at home. The crime for me is care homes were not checked to have adequate infection controls in place to prevent spread. Still lies at the regulatory bodies and governments door but is an important distinction
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But it was the reason they used as their excuse
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Taking emotion out of this Colin, discharging those patients was the correct thing to do. Once there is no further medical need for the patient to be in a hospital bed then that bed needs to be freed up for other people in need. Medical need here excludes recuperating which can be done at home. The crime for me is care homes were not checked to have adequate infection controls in place to prevent spread. Still lies at the regulatory bodies and governments door but is an important distinction
No, no, NO!
The crime is that they were discharged without testing, when it was known that the elderly were supremely vulnerable to COVID. That was unforgivable. And Hancock knew it was unforgivable, because he lied to the PM about it, and lied to the country, saying he'd put a ring of iron around care homes. He also lied later about what was known about asymptomatic transmission.
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From the Collins dictionary
TRANSITIVE VERB
‘ If you hate someone or something, you have an extremely strong feeling of dislike for them.’
TRANSITIVE VERB
‘If you say that you hate something such as a particular activity, you mean that you find it very unpleasant’
I think it’s fair to say that some of the posters on this thread have adequately shown an extreme dislike to Matt Hancock.
You can’t just interpret words in ways that suit agendas. Although it appears on here you can
You are entirely missing the point.
I personally have an extreme dislike for what he has done throughout his professional life. I've given justifications for this opinion for every example I've set out.
He may well be a very nice person in his private life (Although I'd ask his wife's opinion on that). He may well get cats down from trees and cook dinner for his pensioner neighbours. That's irrelevant. In his professional life, he's made a series of at best incompetent, at worst deliberate decisions that have done untold damage to the country. I have an extreme dislike of those sort of decisions, and the sort of professional person who makes them and doesn't learn from them.
I don't wish him any ill for that. I just want him to do no further harm to the country my kids will grow up in.
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Taking emotion out of this Colin, discharging those patients was the correct thing to do. Once there is no further medical need for the patient to be in a hospital bed then that bed needs to be freed up for other people in need. Medical need here excludes recuperating which can be done at home. The crime for me is care homes were not checked to have adequate infection controls in place to prevent spread. Still lies at the regulatory bodies and governments door but is an important distinction
No, no, NO!
The crime is that they were discharged without testing, when it was known that the elderly were supremely vulnerable to COVID. That was unforgivable. And Hancock knew it was unforgivable, because he lied to the PM about it, and lied to the country, saying he'd put a ring of iron around care homes. He also lied later about what was known about asymptomatic transmission.
.... and what was the chronology re Nightingale Hospitals ?
Could recovered patients have gone there (or rather to "them" as there were a lot built).
If not why were they built ... though that is another question for the Enquiry
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Taking emotion out of this Colin, discharging those patients was the correct thing to do. Once there is no further medical need for the patient to be in a hospital bed then that bed needs to be freed up for other people in need. Medical need here excludes recuperating which can be done at home. The crime for me is care homes were not checked to have adequate infection controls in place to prevent spread. Still lies at the regulatory bodies and governments door but is an important distinction
No, no, NO!
The crime is that they were discharged without testing, when it was known that the elderly were supremely vulnerable to COVID. That was unforgivable. And Hancock knew it was unforgivable, because he lied to the PM about it, and lied to the country, saying he'd put a ring of iron around care homes. He also lied later about what was known about asymptomatic transmission.
Your missing my point Billy, even if they were tested and regardless of whether the result was positive or negative if they didn’t have a medical need for a hospital bed they should be discharged. Massive failure to ensure proper infection control in care homes ensued. I agree with all your other points btw
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Ldr.
But the care homes didn't know which people had COVID. That's the whole point. They couldn't implement infection control without knowing who was infected. What were they supposed to do? Keep every person in isolation for the duration?
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BST believe me I do agree with that, my point is only that as long as you no longer have a medical need for a bed in hospital you are discharged.
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Literally no-one else using the word or the sense of the word "hate".
I trust the mods are watching.
Isn’t waving an imaginary card in the ref’s face a bookable offence?
Sportsmanship at its worst. What’s a 4th tier off topic forum coming to?
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BST believe me I do agree with that, my point is only that as long as you no longer have a medical need for a bed in hospital you are discharged.
I absolutely agree.
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Ldr does that include discharging patients with no Social Care to look after them at home?
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RR you have nailed one of the major systematic failings that stifles patient flow through hospitals. The lack of adequate social care means patients having to remain in a bed they don’t need. That’s the reality of the situation.
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RR you have nailed one of the major systematic failings that stifles patient flow through hospitals. The lack of adequate social care means patients having to remain in a bed they don’t need. That’s the reality of the situation.
How is this solved? Seems the root cause of many issues
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Social care is chronically underfunded, more so than the nhs. Most is owned privately too. Both are issues l think need addressing. At the moment the hospital system (public) is under strain due to numbers hitting it, but handicapped by social care (private) been able to take patients that are medically fit and by numbers hitting emergency departments due to not been able to see their GP (private) noticable that the private owned areas are big issues
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We’re constantly being told that patients are queuing up in corridors on trolleys due to the lack of beds.
Could we not be using the seven ‘Nightingale Hospitals’ built to ‘house’ covid patients to ‘ease’ the current strain on NHS hospitals?
Or is it not also the case that we don’t havé enough staff to nurse patients if over night we could suddenly produce another 4,000 beds?
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Most of the nightingale sites have been decommissioned
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We’re constantly being told that patients are queuing up in corridors on trolleys due to the lack of beds.
Could we not be using the seven ‘Nightingale Hospitals’ built to ‘house’ covid patients to ‘ease’ the current strain on NHS hospitals?
Or is it not also the case that we don’t havé enough staff to nurse patients if over night we could suddenly produce another 4,000 beds?
Currently it’s like a full bath, with the taps running but the plug hole is clogged with hair. The bath may be big enough but the taps need the flow turning down (increase gp availability) and the plug needs unclogging (increase availability of social care) then you have a more accurate picture of whether your bath is large enough
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A history according mat handjob is rustling a few feathers with his version of the truth.
''“In terms of the 1.2% statistic, we weren’t testing people, we had no tests to do so … so where have they got that stat from? There was no guidance whatsoever from any authority, no funding, no training with PPE, no support at all til the very late half of 2020''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/03/care-workers-hit-back-at-matt-hancocks-claim-staff-brought-covid-to-care-homes
hmmm
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BBC News - Matt Hancock to stand down at next election
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63891100
What a shock lol
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Anyone we know looking for a possible safer Seat than they have?
Just today Barclay the newest Health Secretary said Nurses should knuckle down and not expect inflation busting wage increases.
As a touche someone released his claimed expenses for the last Parliamentary year. Figures released showed he " bagged just over £171000" having claimed in total for JUST 164 things on expenses
So that shows what an MP can bag on top of their pay and subsidized meals , drinks etc. so no wonder they want to be there in the first place
Nice work if you can get it