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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on November 15, 2022, 05:25:17 pm
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1592486389668773888
Just. What in the name of almighty f**k?
"Could you please ignore the fact that a fascist dictator has invaded your country and killed tens of thousands of your countrymen? Just for a few weeks. Forget about fighting for your freedom, and use the example of obscenely paid young men running round after a ball in a competition awarded by one corrupt organisation to another one to find a way to peace."
Jesus wept.
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I don't think he thought this one through.
But if he did, he's a berk.
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Unbelievable Jeff and just shows how this organisation is out of touch and so aloof from reality.
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All together now…
‘I’d like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony,
Grow apple trees, sink to your knees, while a bullet passes….’
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BST absolutely you’re right in this one. What a complete pillock
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I think Infantino is now clinically insane
He's just given a 90 minute monologue which basically boils down to "Some kids once bullied me for being a ginner, therefore we shouldn't criticise Qatar for locking up gay people."
I'm almost pining for Blatter. At least hewas just openly corrupt without trying to dress it up in false equivalence make up.
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I think we ought to look into Infantino's ginner claims.
How many Italians have ginger hair?
Very few I'd guess.
And he's got black eyebrows.
This could be a Ginnergate moment for him.
Maybe our resident conspiracy theorists should look into it.
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F*cking hell, I've just seen and heard his rant. The guy seriously needs sectioning.
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Crikey my hair was that bright ginger my nickname was Carrots. Nobody bullied me because of it nor did anyone else with ginger hair get bullied that I knew. The man is talking boll0cks and is kowtowing to the Qataries
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FIFA giving lessons in morality .
You couldn't fecking make it up .
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Crikey my hair was that bright ginger my nickname was Carrots. Nobody bullied me because of it nor did anyone else with ginger hair get bullied that I knew. The man is talking boll0cks and is kowtowing to the Qataries
Yes, I remember your red hair, Raven. I'll bet it's no longer red nowadays though.
My daughter and 2 granddaughters all have red hair, so I have a bit of fondness for it.
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Infantino seeks to play on European guilt about the Atlantic slave trade. The truth is the East African slaves trade the Arab sultanates engaged in was every bit as despicable.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_NoWIZv96KU
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Too right SS but stil plenty on top
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Infantino seeks to play on European guilt about the Atlantic slave trade. The truth is the East African slaves trade the Arab sultanates engaged in was every bit as despicable.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_NoWIZv96KU
And, RD, the Arab slave trade predated that of the Western Europeans by millenia.
BobG
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Agreed Bob the North African Moors constantly raided the Med and certainly up to the British Isles.
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Slavery has never been about race. It's about the unconstrained use of power. Sometimes one race is more powerful than another. Few races are fundamentally "better" or "worse" than others.
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Slavery has never been about race. It's about the unconstrained use of power. Sometimes one race is more powerful than another. Few races are fundamentally "better" or "worse" than others.
Please explain which races you believe are fundamentally "better" or "worse" than others and why?!
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I don't. The point of my post was that I don't believe races are fundamentally better or worse than each other. But I worded it poorly. I should have said "No races".
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I don't. The point of my post was that I don't believe races are fundamentally better or worse than each other. But I worded it poorly. I should have said "No races".
OK fair enough.
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Agreed Bob the North African Moors constantly raided the Med and certainly up to the British Isles.
Bloody hell, Raven; don't let Christopher Walken hear you say that. He'll blow your brains out.
Especially if you call him half egg plant.
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Agreed Bob the North African Moors constantly raided the Med and certainly up to the British Isles.
They would occasionally raid the south coast, they found the wreck of a North African pirate ship somewhere off Devon I think.
If we're going back 3,000 years as Infantino suggests then the Romans were taking N Europeans and Brits back to Italy. A century or more after that the Vikings were doing a roaring slave trade out of Britain.
Interestingly it was Wiliam the conqueror who banned slavery in Britain. Probably the First Nation on earth to do so.
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It may be that William the B*****d banned slavery in Britain but he didn't end it. There are probably more people in slavery in the UK today than when he died.
Although offical figures are naturally hard to come bye, there are thought to be around 136000 people in slavery in the UK. Referals to the National Crime Agency rose 20% between 2020 and 2021, and are showing a similar rise this year.
That's the UK, today, 2022.
https://www.abi.org.uk/news/blog-articles/2022/05/on-your-doorstep-modern-slavery-human-trafficking-and-the-insurance-industry/
https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/slavery-uk/
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This is brilliant by the Germany team today.
https://twitter.com/DFB_Team_EN/status/1595405792957562880?s=20&t=4p5CsBERGilOLxc9CkJ6vg
A big "f**k you" to the craven bas**rds in FIFA.
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This is brilliant by the Germany team today.
https://twitter.com/DFB_Team_EN/status/1595405792957562880?s=20&t=4p5CsBERGilOLxc9CkJ6vg
A big "f**k you" to the craven bas**rds in FIFA.
I'd have been impressed if they'd worn the armband and taken the yellow card - could have substituted their allocated captain after 30 seconds given how many subs are allowed in the game and had little impact on their match prospects.
I'd have been even more impressed if they'd have boycotted the tournament - if done well in advance in conjunction with other top players/teams such an approach could well have forced FIFA's hand in moving it elsewhere.
But no the German FA and their players are complicit in the World Cup and football's reputation being tarnished and the advancement of Qatar and it's abhorrent regime. Same for England.
They'll make a public stand but will stop short of doing anything that will remotely impact on their £million careers - even taking one measly yellow card.
They're not brilliant - frankly they're pathetic.
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Should have handed the armband round the team after 1st booking and had all 11 booked if they felt that strongly about it, sadly.......
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I don't get this binary approach that this issue seems to bring out in so many people
This "Go the whole hog or you are a hypocrite".
FIFA ha put footballers in an impossible position of being told that, if they exhibit their principles, they will be penalised in their professional role.
The German players found a perfect way to turn that on its head. They demonstrated the principles they support while showing their contempt for the thinking that underpinned the FIFA/ Qatar stance.
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BST I don’t think the authorities put footballers in impossible positions. They put themselves in impossible positions by forgetting the first priority is to play football
Theirs more talk about what they’re doing outside football than what they’re doing with the ball
It’s taken over. The media frenzy either way is ridiculous
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I don't get this binary approach that this issue seems to bring out in so many people
This "Go the whole hog or you are a hypocrite".
FIFA ha put footballers in an impossible position of being told that, if they exhibit their principles, they will be penalised in their professional role.
The German players found a perfect way to turn that on its head. They demonstrated the principles they support while showing their contempt for the thinking that underpinned the FIFA/ Qatar stance.
I don't get your high praise for this fig leaf diplomacy.
OK let me give you an analogy.
You're on a £10m salary. Your boss asks you to go to Qatar to negotiate and hopefully complete a high profile business deal. If completed this deal will benefit your company but also benefit and raise the profile of Qatar and it's regime. You'll get a bonus relatively insignificant to your salary.
If you don't go you don't lose your job - just the bonus, some kudos within the business and the potential to enhance your future career prospects.
If you don't go there is the potential (not guarantee) that the deal itself doesn't go ahead.
What decision would you make in this scenario?
a) Don't go
b) Go
c) Go but for the media photo shaking hands with a Qatari official wear a One Love armband (in the knowledge again there will be no repercussion on your job)
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Branton.
You are comparing passing up ymthe opportunity of making a humdrum deal with passing up the opportunity of playing in the World Cup Finals?
Really?
Do you want to rethink your analogy and have another go?
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Branton.
You are comparing passing up ymthe opportunity of making a humdrum deal with passing up the opportunity of playing in the World Cup Finals?
Really?
Do you want to rethink your analogy and have another go?
The answer I'd hope most decent informed people would give is don't go.
Clearly you believe that your principles are for sale to the highest bidder i.e. how you'd act depends on the scale of the reward you'd get not the moral implications of the said actions.
Lets keep it really simple for you then.
Would you participate in the Qatar World Cup if you were a professional footballer?
For the record I would not. My principles are not for sale to the highest bidder. That is why I will not be praising these highly paid individuals who are complicit in advancing the cause of the Qatari regime for wearing armbands or covering their mouths in a photoshoot.
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Muhammad Ali was stripped of the world heavyweight title , banned from boxing for 3 years and sentenced to 5 years imprisonment for sticking to his beliefs .
Harry Kane and his team were threatened with a yellow card and capitulated far quicker than the Iranian back four .
Who might I add didn't sing their country's national anthem before the game and as a consequence could be in danger or have their liberty removed .
One Yellow Card .
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I don't credit myself with knowing what I would do in that scenario. Because I've never been in a situation where I had the opportunity to reach the absolute pinnacle of a global endeavour.
It is always very, very easy to pontificate about what you would do in a situation you'll never experience. Which is why I try not to do it.
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I don't credit myself with knowing what I would do in that scenario. Because I've never been in a situation where I had the opportunity to reach the absolute pinnacle of a global endeavour.
It is always very, very easy to pontificate about what you would do in a situation you'll never experience. Which is why I try not to do it.
I think you've made your position abundantly clear there despite refusing to answer my question.
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I can't answer your question. I'm not refusing to. It's literally out of my ability to compute.
If you are utterly certain of what you would do, I salute your power of imagination.
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This situation reminds me of the Lib Dems in 2010. They sold their principles as well to achieve the pinnacles of their careers; cabinet jobs that they never would have attained in their lifetimes as Lib Dem MPs.
Then spout a load of moral virtue signalling to the rest of us.
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I bet the Germany team are happy they didn’t get involved in all the issues outside of football. It worked out well for them
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I bet the Germany team are happy they didn’t get involved in all the issues outside of football. It worked out well for them
I'm sure it had loads to do with it.
Are Argentina "involved in all the issues outside of football" as well, or did an upset just happen? or do we ignore the ones that don't suit your weird narrative?
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Strange, some of the takes on this topic.
If footballers do make a clear statement, they are virtue signallers.
If they don't, they are selfishly putting themselves first.
If they find a clever way to bring the issue even more attention than it would otherwise have got, they are cowardly hypocrites.
Bit of a no-lose bet really, isn't it? I can see the attraction of that line of thinking.
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Strange, some of the takes on this topic.
If footballers do make a clear statement, they are virtue signallers.
If they don't, they are selfishly putting themselves first.
If they find a clever way to bring the issue even more attention than it would otherwise have got, they are cowardly hypocrites.
Bit of a no-lose bet really, isn't it? I can see the attraction of that line of thinking.
Maybe the players or even the FA actually don't give a shyte about getting used to promote this , that and the other .
Maybe they just go along with it instead of getting shamed if they don't comply .
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Maybe saying maybe to everything maybe the best way to maybe evade the issue. Maybe.