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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: roverstillidie91 on November 26, 2022, 12:31:23 pm
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The guy on this video hits the nail on the head, not limited to this video only however there is plenty of content on there, for which there is also the EIE campaign and other associated campaigns.
With Conservatives just serving their oligarch friends and it looks inevitable that Keir Starmer is going to do the same and pander for the big press rather than the people i.e. daily mail, the sun, daily express - who buys that filth anyway.
What it requires is like the guy says is proportional representation, unless Labour/Conservatives/ Lib Dems or any other main party is willing to do what the people want. It is time for smaller parties to get a stronghold within the political system to get the policies that we want not what the billionaires want.
And he strikes a note in the video - We should rethink who we are..
Which is why I believe a tactical vote for either smaller parties or independents to get seats or even a hung parliament so Labour or Conservatives cannot wield their wants on all of us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTR9Pnsd0Sc
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There's little doubt in my mind that both the Tory and Labour Party are finished as credible political party's .
Neither will offer PR and to force it through protest would require millions of people going out and actually doing it .
The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .
I'll leave you to work out how that would be achieved if it ever could be and this country is way too divided for that to ever happen .
Apathy has replaced protest although it still exists but not in sufficient numbers to replace the system in my opinion .
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The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .
Dead right. We need a strong leader to raise the people to take back OUR country for the WORKING masses by any means required.
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There has to be a "none of the above" option.
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The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .
Dead right. We need a strong leader to raise the people to take back OUR country for the WORKING masses by any means required.
Presumably you're in favour of terrorism and murder to get what you want.
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So what would this new strong dictator do for the working masses?
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The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .
Dead right. We need a strong leader to raise the people to take back OUR country for the WORKING masses by any means required.
A Fuhrer perhaps. Leading a party committed to a strong Government to look after their own country's workers?
A sort of National Socialist English Workers' Party?
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Starmer could be the answer.
if someone tells him what the question is.
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There's little doubt in my mind that both the Tory and Labour Party are finished as credible political party's .
Neither will offer PR and to force it through protest would require millions of people going out and actually doing it .
The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .
I'll leave you to work out how that would be achieved if it ever could be and this country is way too divided for that to ever happen .
Apathy has replaced protest although it still exists but not in sufficient numbers to replace the system in my opinion .
It just needs to make people see sense about what has been happening over the last 40 years under both.
It will be interesting to see who people will vote for who have gone away from Labour and Conservatives though however.
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The only way the political system in this country will come towards working people isn't going to be won through the ballot box .
Dead right. We need a strong leader to raise the people to take back OUR country for the WORKING masses by any means required.
The Working Masses have overwhelmingly voted Labour in the past 2 General Elections.
It has been those of non-working age, allied with the small percentage such as yourself who thought that voting for Old Etonian millionaires would benefit the working masses, who have decided the result.
https://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-findings/age-and-voting-behaviour-at-the-2019-general-election/
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Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?
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Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?
you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters
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Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?
you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters
No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.
EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/
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Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?
you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters
No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.
EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/
surely they make it easy enough to get some other form of I’d that will be acceptable
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Think about the elderly, how many over 70 will hold some form of ID? Passports really only came into the hands of working clas in the late 60's 70's when foreign package holidays became affordable How many of that generation will still have passports, the only ID most over 70's will have will be a bus pass is that acceptable?
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My Mum has no passport.
BobG
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Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?
you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters
No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.
EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/
surely they make it easy enough to get some other form of I’d that will be acceptable
What about the National Insurance Number?
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Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?
you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters
No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.
EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/
surely they make it easy enough to get some other form of I’d that will be acceptable
Oh, bless. You think this is about trying to make voting easy for honest people?
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Trouble now is without the right ID you aint gonna get a vote, how will that affect the working class vote?
you woukd think most people who work will have some sort of I’d that will be acceptable, it will be the people that don’t work that possibly won’t have it or youngsters
No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.
EU identity cards will be valid so it could be that EU citizens (with leave to remain) can vote in the next GE whilst UK citizens can't.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-that-you-can-use-in-uk-elections-and-how-to-get-it/
surely they make it easy enough to get some other form of I’d that will be acceptable
Oh, bless. You think this is about trying to make voting easy for honest people?
it will depend on what Id they accept 86 percent of people have a passport and if they accept photo id on driving licence and possibly bus passes that number will be over 90 percent, many other countries do it, I just think your making more of it that needs be
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So only 4 cases of voter fraud at the last election but now according to this lot our elections are open to fraud on an industrial scale..... really? Maybe they should keeo their eyes on Russian interference.
Interesting figure of 86% with a passport where did you pick that one up from? What about the other 10%, as you put it, they not allowed to vote?
It's purely political, anything to try to cling to power
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There has to be a "none of the above" option.
There is, it is called staying at home.
This is already clear in the turnout for by-elections, and is a big challenge to the modern democracy.
If people do not think that Sunak or Keith offer something that resonates, it is either the smaller parties or just refuse to take part.
Greens will get a lift in the places that they already have a foothold. LDems will pick up, but many have not forgotten the betrayals of Clegg.
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There has to be a "none of the above" option.
There is, it is called staying at home.
This is already clear in the turnout for by-elections, and is a big challenge to the modern democracy.
If people do not think that Sunak or Keith offer something that resonates, it is either the smaller parties or just refuse to take part.
Greens will get a lift in the places that they already have a foothold. LDems will pick up, but many have not forgotten the betrayals of Clegg.
This is something that all incoming or re elected governments have paid little attention to in the past. Its probable a large percentage of none voters are so because of the "none of the above" situation. How governments in the past seem to have dealt with this is very unsatisfactory, their current dalliance with "focus groups" is a complete sham as they tend to favour groups and whatever gets said beforehand they tend to be made up of their own support, what do you learn in that situation?
I'd say that it currently looks like a very convoluted result will emerge in the next 18months or so to a GE. Really not liking the direction of this government, have no clue about where a Labour one may take us, with the smaller and independent groups all over the place it looks very much like another session of make it up as you go along, the very last thing this country and economy needs.
When we need a strong government with an enterprising and inspirational leader we will end up with the utter incompetence and scared to do anything that may look like we don't know sh*t we see before our eyes right now.
What a choice, more years of fudge and muddle.
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Albie.
Doubtless you have evidence that by-election turnouts in the past three years are well down in those we saw when Corbyn was Labour leader?
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So only 4 cases of voter fraud at the last election but now according to this lot our elections are open to fraud on an industrial scale..... really? Maybe they should keeo their eyes on Russian interference.
Interesting figure of 86% with a passport where did you pick that one up from? What about the other 10%, as you put it, they not allowed to vote?
It's purely political, anything to try to cling to power
How many people are going to be disenfranchised trying to stop 4 cases of fraud.
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No it will be people under 65 who don't drive or dont travel abroad who will struggle.
i.e. People more likely to vote Labour.
Pretty despicable from the Tories this.
And, of course, wholly unnecessary as we are all sent polling cards which can be checked at the polling station.
Yet nothing, so far, to stem the rise in postal voting given how this potentially disenfranchises the many people living in households with an overbearing/domineering individual.
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So only 4 cases of voter fraud at the last election but now according to this lot our elections are open to fraud on an industrial scale..... really? Maybe they should keeo their eyes on Russian interference.
Interesting figure of 86% with a passport where did you pick that one up from? What about the other 10%, as you put it, they not allowed to vote?
It's purely political, anything to try to cling to power
I got it from the 2021 census, and then there is the other forms of id
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You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
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You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
1) You DON'T have to have a photo ID to open a bank account.
2) Many of the standard photo IDs that young people can use to prove their age and identity when buying ale or fags are not on the list of acceptable voter ID.
This is a straight up attempt at viter suppression, directly out of the playbook of the Republicans in the USA who have systematically done similar things to suppress the black vote.
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You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no?
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You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life
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You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life
No you haven't agreed with it bp but you haven't supported the other side of the argument either have you?
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You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life
But a large number of people don't! That's the point!
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You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life
But a large number of people don't! That's the point!
hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then
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You would think that it would benefit labour anyway as a study showed 99 percent of younger people had photo id and the lowest was over 85s which some on here say there the Tory voters
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You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life
But a large number of people don't! That's the point!
hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then
They haven't! They've had three years to do so and they haven't. They've got vague mutterings about local authorities being able to give out ID cards, but they haven't given any funding for this, and experts say it would be impossible to implement at this notice anyway.
Why not read up about this instead of assuming it'll be alright?
Here's a start.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-list-gives-few-options-for-younger-voters/
"During the passage of the Elections Act we successfully campaigned to extend the list of acceptable IDs. A cross-party group of peers passed an amendment that would have seen student IDs, library cards, bank statements and other easily accessible forms of ID accepted at polling stations. These options would have provided an important backstop for voters who don’t have more expensive forms of identity documents, like passports, and who may not have been able to access the voting certificate option.
"The government’s decision to repeal this amendment during the final stages of the bill means that voters now have far fewer options on polling day."
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You would think that it would benefit labour anyway as a study showed 99 percent of younger people had photo id and the lowest was over 85s which some on here say there the Tory voters
In that case you would think that labour supported it and the tories wouldn't bp, I've missed your input in off topic.
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You would think that it would benefit labour anyway as a study showed 99 percent of younger people had photo id and the lowest was over 85s which some on here say there the Tory voters
In that case you would think that labour supported it and the tories wouldn't bp, I've missed your input in off topic.
I no bit strange, there is a free voter card anyway, how are you doing Syd hope all is well, yes only post now and again nowadays
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You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life
But a large number of people don't! That's the point!
hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then
They haven't! They've had three years to do so and they haven't. They've got vague mutterings about local authorities being able to give out ID cards, but they haven't given any funding for this, and experts say it would be impossible to implement at this notice anyway.
Why not read up about this instead of assuming it'll be alright?
Here's a start.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-list-gives-few-options-for-younger-voters/
"During the passage of the Elections Act we successfully campaigned to extend the list of acceptable IDs. A cross-party group of peers passed an amendment that would have seen student IDs, library cards, bank statements and other easily accessible forms of ID accepted at polling stations. These options would have provided an important backstop for voters who don’t have more expensive forms of identity documents, like passports, and who may not have been able to access the voting certificate option.
"The government’s decision to repeal this amendment during the final stages of the bill means that voters now have far fewer options on polling day."
Meanwhile, it's just another day in 21st Century UK and the Tories' plan to disenfranchise millions of voters goes on. And here's a lying Cabinet Minister lying about it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrandonLewis/status/1613576330574012416
"Similar to when you pick up a package"? Well that's fine then. Loads of ID will do.
Or...err...
https://mobile.twitter.com/arthistorynews/status/1614940185355079684
In a poll last week, only 30% of people had heard that photo ID was going to be needed to vote. Many fewer had heard what ID was acceptable. But 62% had heard a lot about in-person voter fraud and believed it was happening on an industrial scale. Whereas on the whole of 2019, there was ONE conviction.
It's happening folks. Right under your eyes. A non-probkem being used to disenfranchise millions of people. And no-one seems to give a f**k.
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I wonder if a labour govt would scrap the planned ban on new ice cars in 2030.
They would get my vote for that alone.
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You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life
But a large number of people don't! That's the point!
hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then
They haven't! They've had three years to do so and they haven't. They've got vague mutterings about local authorities being able to give out ID cards, but they haven't given any funding for this, and experts say it would be impossible to implement at this notice anyway.
Why not read up about this instead of assuming it'll be alright?
Here's a start.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-list-gives-few-options-for-younger-voters/
"During the passage of the Elections Act we successfully campaigned to extend the list of acceptable IDs. A cross-party group of peers passed an amendment that would have seen student IDs, library cards, bank statements and other easily accessible forms of ID accepted at polling stations. These options would have provided an important backstop for voters who don’t have more expensive forms of identity documents, like passports, and who may not have been able to access the voting certificate option.
"The government’s decision to repeal this amendment during the final stages of the bill means that voters now have far fewer options on polling day."
Meanwhile, it's just another day in 21st Century UK and the Tories' plan to disenfranchise millions of voters goes on. And here's a lying Cabinet Minister lying about it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrandonLewis/status/1613576330574012416
"Similar to when you pick up a package"? Well that's fine then. Loads of ID will do.
Or...err...
https://mobile.twitter.com/arthistorynews/status/1614940185355079684
In a poll last week, only 30% of people had heard that photo ID was going to be needed to vote. Many fewer had heard what ID was acceptable. But 62% had heard a lot about in-person voter fraud and believed it was happening on an industrial scale. Whereas on the whole of 2019, there was ONE conviction.
It's happening folks. Right under your eyes. A non-probkem being used to disenfranchise millions of people. And no-one seems to give a f**k.
I feel like there is public tension brewing in all honesty about the goings on with this government.
It is all about taking control and being a dictatorial political party we should have seen this when it was covid and they was trying to control us and fining people 10,000 for walking their dog
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It's a despicable trick again , an Electoral " ploy" with one aim to suppress Voting. It is not anecdotal that there were so few examples of "voter fraud". These are figures regularly available
Altering Constituency Boundaries is another way of stacking the odds a certain way
My hope though (of a non Conservative Govt) after next election would be that those that cannot be arsed to get Voter ID will largely come from the 33% of those who can't be arsed to Vote and so be of a minimal impact
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It's a despicable trick again , an Electoral " ploy" with one aim to suppress Voting. It is not anecdotal that there were so few examples of "voter fraud". These are figures regularly available
Altering Constituency Boundaries is another way of stacking the odds a certain way
My hope though (of a non Conservative Govt) after next election would be that those that cannot be arsed to get Voter ID will largely come from the 33% of those who can't be arsed to Vote and so be of a minimal impact
The Boundary Commission for England (BCE) is required by the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986 to review the parliamentary constituencies in England every 5 years. BCE is an advisory non-departmental public body, sponsored by the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities .
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/boundary-commission-for-england
https://boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/about-us/
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You need photo Id to buy fags,beer, hire or drive a car open a bank account and many many more things is it such a problem really?
you'd think that users of uk roads that interact with traffic and pedestrians and have known to have caused thousands upon thousands of accidents resulting in damage and injury would be a case more pressing than 4 known cases of voter fraud, no? I have never said i agree with it I’m just pointing out that most people already need photo Id in everyday life
But a large number of people don't! That's the point!
hopefully they will come up with a scheme that enables them to acquire some then
They haven't! They've had three years to do so and they haven't. They've got vague mutterings about local authorities being able to give out ID cards, but they haven't given any funding for this, and experts say it would be impossible to implement at this notice anyway.
Why not read up about this instead of assuming it'll be alright?
Here's a start.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voter-id-list-gives-few-options-for-younger-voters/
"During the passage of the Elections Act we successfully campaigned to extend the list of acceptable IDs. A cross-party group of peers passed an amendment that would have seen student IDs, library cards, bank statements and other easily accessible forms of ID accepted at polling stations. These options would have provided an important backstop for voters who don’t have more expensive forms of identity documents, like passports, and who may not have been able to access the voting certificate option.
"The government’s decision to repeal this amendment during the final stages of the bill means that voters now have far fewer options on polling day."
Meanwhile, it's just another day in 21st Century UK and the Tories' plan to disenfranchise millions of voters goes on. And here's a lying Cabinet Minister lying about it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrandonLewis/status/1613576330574012416
"Similar to when you pick up a package"? Well that's fine then. Loads of ID will do.
Or...err...
https://mobile.twitter.com/arthistorynews/status/1614940185355079684
In a poll last week, only 30% of people had heard that photo ID was going to be needed to vote. Many fewer had heard what ID was acceptable. But 62% had heard a lot about in-person voter fraud and believed it was happening on an industrial scale. Whereas on the whole of 2019, there was ONE conviction.
It's happening folks. Right under your eyes. A non-probkem being used to disenfranchise millions of people. And no-one seems to give a f**k.
I feel like there is public tension brewing in all honesty about the goings on with this government.
It is all about taking control and being a dictatorial political party we should have seen this when it was covid and they was trying to control us and fining people 10,000 for walking their dog
This has made me chuckle, now no one is saying that the pandemic was handled in the most optimum manner by any means but have you actually thought about how a Labour government would of handled the same situation, we had glimpses of it in Wales and in Scotland with their respective governments Lab and SNP and i'm guessing that if that that been the case in England then there would of been plenty of disagreement about the manner in which they would of controlled the situation.
Its unfortunate but the left have always had this yearning to take over and control every facet of your business be it in normal times or in a pandemic situation, mothering a nation in this manner leads to an abandonment of self reliance and aspiration, they very last thing this country that's tottering on the edge needs, people need to take more responsibility for their actions in life.
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Funny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?
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Funny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?
I’m not saying that it didn’t, but is there any evidence that it did?
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This will come as a surprise to some posters. Interested to hear what they think.
https://twitter.com/rubenbmathisen/status/1614707243856936960?s=46&t=qTd69bQhvEPVVYGr7hpKxQ
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Funny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?
I’m not saying that it didn’t, but is there any evidence that it did?
Have you looked for any?
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Funny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?
I’m not saying that it didn’t, but is there any evidence that it did?
Have you looked for any?
Yes but I’m not informed enough to find an example of clear lasting cause and effect from that budget to what we see today with the CoL crisis.
Lockdown and Ukraine far bigger factors in what is a big and complex system.
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This will come as a surprise to some posters. Interested to hear what they think.
https://twitter.com/rubenbmathisen/status/1614707243856936960?s=46&t=qTd69bQhvEPVVYGr7hpKxQ
In the UK the top 1% have a fortune of at least £3.6 million each, wealther than the combined wealth of the bottom 70%. This is 263000 households out of a country of 24 million. The FOUR richest people have the same total wealth as the bottom 20 MILLION.
https://www.oxfam.org.uk/media/press-releases/richest-1-grab-nearly-twice-as-much-new-wealth-as-rest-of-the-world-put-together/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-16/richest-1-of-people-in-uk-now-wealthier-than-70-of-population-combined-oxfam
The top 10% hold 43% of the wealth. The bottom 50% only 9%.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/bulletins/totalwealthingreatbritain/april2018tomarch2020
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/household-wealth-richest-one-percent-poorest-ons-b1989181.html
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jan/07/richest-uk-households-worth-at-least-36m-each
which in itself is thought to be an underestimate
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/official-statistics-underestimate-wealth-inequality/
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This will come as a surprise to some posters. Interested to hear what they think.
https://twitter.com/rubenbmathisen/status/1614707243856936960?s=46&t=qTd69bQhvEPVVYGr7hpKxQ
Not sure why it would nc ....... this is a much more comprehensive look at the problem country by country.
https://wir2022.wid.world/category/glossary/
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Funny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?
I’m not saying that it didn’t, but is there any evidence that it did?
Have you looked for any?
Yes but I’m not informed enough to find an example of clear lasting cause and effect from that budget to what we see today with the CoL crisis.
Lockdown and Ukraine far bigger factors in what is a big and complex system.
Really?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/63229204
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I’ll have a read of that in the morning.
What I meant was that countries that are lauded for their “fairer” approach such as Sweden (I think it was BST) have a higher % of total wealth owned by the top 1%.
Apart from Belgium and Netherlands we have the lowest % there in Western Europe. Would you have expected that?
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I’ll have a read of that in the morning.
What I meant was that countries that are lauded for their “fairer” approach such as Sweden (I think it was BST) have a higher % of total wealth owned by the top 1%.
Apart from Belgium and Netherlands we have the lowest % there in Western Europe. Would you have expected that?
I hope you are not basing this comment on your coloured map with zero explanation nc
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Funny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?
I’m not saying that it didn’t, but is there any evidence that it did?
Have you looked for any?
Yes but I’m not informed enough to find an example of clear lasting cause and effect from that budget to what we see today with the CoL crisis.
Lockdown and Ukraine far bigger factors in what is a big and complex system.
Really?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/63229204
Ok that’s fair enough. Sorry i wasn’t clear I wasn’t disputing any impact, just disagreeing that it was as much as the other factors.
I just don’t think that a temporary budget that was u-turned on had more of an impact than the rising cost of energy needed to give live to everything. This therefore had a knock on effect to the price of everything.
I also don’t think a temporary budget has had more impact than the economy being shut down for months at a time.
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I’ll have a read of that in the morning.
What I meant was that countries that are lauded for their “fairer” approach such as Sweden (I think it was BST) have a higher % of total wealth owned by the top 1%.
Apart from Belgium and Netherlands we have the lowest % there in Western Europe. Would you have expected that?
I hope you are not basing this comment on your coloured map with zero explanation nc
I’ve only just seen it and found it interesting. I wondered what your guy’s thoughts were. What does it show for you then in terms of how our wealth inequality compares to Sweden?
Not everything is a loaded comment, I’m just curious.
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Why don't you look at the figures and explain, it needs a stat person to dive in and have a look and then take out and examine the various sections such as poverty around 14.5 million in the uk live in poverty, which would you think is the more important information nc, and for whom?
Added: the % of people holding the lion's share of the wealth would be less important if as they got more, so did those at the base, but it would appear that as that the top section of any society get richer the poor get more cabbage.
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Funny how the politicians talk about The Lockdown The War in Ukraine on having an effect on cost of living and inflation but no mention from any Party about the calamitous tenure of Trusstless and Kamikwazi and the effect of their mini budget. Or have I missed it?
I’m not saying that it didn’t, but is there any evidence that it did?
Err. Just a bit.
Have a look at the price that international finance markets are imposing on Britain when we try to borrow.
When Truss came to power (I know! Mad to think it happened!) our 30 year gilts were selling at around 2% interest. Within a month they had peaked at 5%.
Yes, some of that was international issues. But German gilts rose from about 1% to 2% over the same period.
If ours had remained at a 2% premium on Germany, that would mean us paying an extra £40bn a year on interest costs. Enough to build 80 infirmaries every year.
Our gilt yields have reduced under Sunak, but are still 0.5% more than the German ones, relative to where they were last summer. And that has only been achieved by Hunt's Austerity Budget which is going to screw down economic growth for the rest of the year.
The international finance markets have a phrase for the effect that Trussonomics had on gilts. They say Britain is having to pay a Moron Premium. Having once elected such a dangerous woman-child idiot, they are wary of Britain's stability. And, all things being equal, they want more money for their lending to us, to cover the risk that we might lose our marbles again.