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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: WheatleyRover on December 04, 2022, 10:14:13 am
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Everything about the club right now feels stale and dead, the match day experience is absolutely dreadful, and not just talking about the football.
Who's in charge of creating a bit of energy about the place, everything feels stripped back, no proper dugouts anymore, the tunnell is gone,
we don't even come out to any music anymore to get the togetherness and ready for war spirit going.
Why not also have a count down to kick off with a list of selected songs to build the anticipation even if there is nothing happening on the pitch to get excited about right now, everything around the club just feels flat, and seems to be a reflection of the people running the club.
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The dugouts got in the way of anyone sat behind them. There were complaints from fans when they were initially installed.
We currently come out to Metallica, even if it may not be everyone's cup of tea.
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Not sure I agree with everything you say but you're making a very good point.
Obviously poor performances contribute to the lack of anticipation but the excitement we once had is somehow missing.
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It's always going to when 3500 are turning up despite what the sold tickets attendance says.
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It's always going to when 3500 are turning up despite what the sold tickets attendance says.
Third highest home attendance this weekend.
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It happens when we're not getting results.
If we get the performances, we get the results then we get the excitement and atmosphere. Everything would seem so much more vibrant.
There's nothing worse than trying to impose a false energy, with music or whatever, as it would just fall flat.
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Plus no working scoreboard and we don’t seem to get replays on the big screen anymore, not that here’s been much worth seeing again lately I suppose.
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Plus no working scoreboard and we don’t seem to get replays on the big screen anymore, not that here’s been much worth seeing again lately I suppose.
Can't speak for the replays, but I believe the scoreboard is apparently getting replaced rather than fixed.
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It’s getting a real effort these days to get motivated to go to games, the lethargic approach to everything on and off the pitch is gradually grinding people down
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The faded and worn-out posters on the outside of the South Side stand of our past heroes Alick, Duggie etc are further indicative of the seemingly irreversible decay that our club seems to be in.
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
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I would say the players Steve, and recruitment not now at the club. The selection process for a manager even came up trumps, his team are top of the division.
Anyway, one chink of light, the under u18s beat Barnsley yesterday morning 2-1 to top the group of Barnsley, Lincoln, and ourselves and progress onto the next round of the cup, and most of the age group teams in the academy are doing well, with a good number of players from the local area.
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.
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I don't want to be excited by the chuffing chairman, I want to be excited by the players.
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All the managerial appointments and transfer deals are signed off by him.
The buck stops with him.
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I don't want to be excited by the chuffing chairman, I want to be excited by the players.
Your missing the point DBR.
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The match atmosphere is woeful, maybe exaggerated because of how poor the club have been over 2/3 years now.
It’s starts from walking into the stadium, only 1 gate open, the upon entering, the music blaringly loud, you can’t have a conversation with the person next to you
Then the catering, or lack of, nothing open, poor selection, overpriced rubbish.
To the pre match and half time entertainment, again music to loud, it’s hard to work out what is being said in any interview, I didn’t have a clue who got interviewed at HT last week.
The score board, I know this is being looked at, and just something as simple as checking how long has been played, having to wait 5 minutes for the adverts to clear to see the screen for what seems like 2 seconds before adverts start bombarding again.
Despite all the above, last week was the first time in ages I was exited and looking forward to returning to the eco, to be let down by the above and preformances
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"Close backs Rovers to bounce back from Walsall loss", how many more of these sort of headlines are we to get from the club this season? We are working to get better would be a better one
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.... and DS bemoans lack of killer instinct . That to me seems to suggest we didn't convert multi chances into goals or even a couple of good chances into goals , but I think we actually lacked "intent" all over the pitch
Not helped by a small crowd* , a cold grey day either
* It was a Lottery free ticket game so I wonder if they get added to the theoretical attandance and that inflates the declared gate ?
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There has been an omnipresent sense of decline at the club for some time. This is reflected both on and off the pitch. It is time for the hierarchy to do a bit soul searching and ask themselves some serious questions.
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.
No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.
No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.
But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.
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If he didn't have the money to put in this one doe's he would be a disaster, be careful what you wish for, we cannot afford just a character.
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.
No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.
But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.
If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?
It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.
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I don’t know what is the cause and we could be the unluckiest club out there, but time and again we have the same problems of poor recruitment, dreadful and ineffective football, players with no desire or heart, laughable defensive unit, all while the club has dropped down the leagues and presumably millions are pissed away on wages. It’s not just this manager or this season, it’s now repeated managers and repeated seasons. Same issues, only the decline is accelerating.
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If he didn't have the money to put in this one doe's he would be a disaster, be careful what you wish for, we cannot afford just a character.
I agree Brian. Just to clarify my earlier post.
Yes I am very happy how the club is run regarding the financial aspect.
We are not going to go belly up and see administration happen at DRFC. That’s great.
All I am saying is the Chairman is very very quiet. There is very little dialog coming from him.
Yes JR was a one off and I am not asking for DB to be another JR.
But the contrast between them could not be greater. It would be good for supporter morale to hear something from him to suggest the club really are serious about Championship football once again being the goal. We are an awful long way from that at present.
The club seems to be treading water at present and supporter malaise is setting in. Maybe Copps needs have more dialog with the fan base.
I have always backed the board 100% but even I am concerned about the current situation on the field of play. We take one step back, one step forward and another back again. This has gone on for 3 years now.
The supporters need to start believing the club are on an upward curve. The vast majority feel the opposite is happening.
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The chairman needs to go now, he has overseen what can only be described as shambolic
Football managers lose their jobs for far less.
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Everything about the club right now feels stale and dead, the match day experience is absolutely dreadful, and not just talking about the football.
Who's in charge of creating a bit of energy about the place, everything feels stripped back, no proper dugouts anymore, the tunnell is gone,
we don't even come out to any music anymore to get the togetherness and ready for war spirit going.
Why not also have a count down to kick off with a list of selected songs to build the anticipation even if there is nothing happening on the pitch to get excited about right now, everything around the club just feels flat, and seems to be a reflection of the people running the club.
Wait a minute, the dugouts haven't been there for sometime. That area around the entrance tunnel has been revamped with new seating in the subs area. If memory serves it's now more of a 'neutral' area where we don't need the dugouts or tunel. Isn't that a good thing
I think recently the tunel was done up with the LNER branding, so maybe money is being spent.
Also this..
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2022/november/new-sponsor-announced-for-elite-performance-centre/
Crikey, we used to walk around in sh*te at Belle Vue for long enough but we didn't care if we were winning. We didn't even have a proper training ground back then.
If we're going to have a sensible debate, say we were given £1m to spend, tell me where you'd want that money spending in order of priority? How much on cosmetics, off the field facilities, training ground, stadium etc, and how much towards the playing budget?
Who's contributed to the 'Have your say on catering' by the way?
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I know it’s risky to mention Mr Baldwin, but he seems a far more dynamic character than the Chairman and it does not make sense that (if I understand it correctly) his job description excludes involvement in the football.
Rovers are the mainstream activity of Club Doncaster, so surely he ought to feel compelled to seek organisational change to become more active.
Considering the Blunt role, he, as Chairman, may well feel obliged to defer to the HoFO on football matters in which case, if Copps is not willing to put himself up, it is for Blunt to make sure he does. He is effectively Schofield’s mentor.
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I've not been for a while and it was marked how little atmosphere there was about the ground. Too noisy on the concourses and couldn't hear to talk to each other. Also agreed on the lac of instant replays of goals/chances etc, they appear to have disappeared off the big screen that seems to be nothing more than an expensive advertising board now.
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.
No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.
But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.
If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?
It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.
No, it's not based on factual evidence. I didn't say it was.
Neither is your implication that the way the chairman operates is mutually exclusive with results on the field.
There are clearly issues with the way the club is being run, otherwise we wouldn't be consistently underperforming our budget season after season. It's not about finding scapegoats, it's highlighting the point that if the problem (or one of them) is the chairman, then that might be part of the cause for the poor results, rather than the idea of the chairman's contribution happening in a silo and having no effect (positive or negative) on the club's on-field performance.
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I don't know Blunt or the way he operates so I have no grounds to suggest he's the problem.
Like you, I see what's on the pitch and can safely say, results are more directly due to the input of the input of the players and the manager.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
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I don't know Blunt or the way he operates so I have no grounds to suggest he's the problem.
Like you, I see what's on the pitch and can safely say, results are more directly due to the input of the input of the players and the manager.
Perhaps. But we've been absolutely dire now under multiple managers, and with multiple sets of players. And who (and which processes (or lack thereof)) is responsible for choosing those managers and players?
FWIW I didn't say Blunt was the issue either, but let's be realistic that there is a possibility that his contribution as the person who ultimately heads up the football side of the club could have an impact on whether the football team performs well or not.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Why would a Blunt charge the youth team for using the KM ?
Are all the teams DRFC ?
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Why would a Blunt charge the youth team for using the KM ?
Are all the teams DRFC ?
There was a series of games in various local competitions that were all charged the same fee, Blunt said that fee can come out of the academy funds for this season.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Why would a Blunt charge the youth team for using the KM ?
Are all the teams DRFC ?
Beat me to it hound. The Youth team are part of the club. So that doesn’t add up at all.
Please explain Swintonrover?
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.
So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.
Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.
So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible
It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
Genuine question here;
Are you genuinely happy with how the club are going at the minute? On the field? Off the field?
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Throwing money at any business is no guarantee of success. You also have to make good decisions and therefore have at least competent decision makers running the business.
Experience is no guarantee of success (just as a lack of it is no guarantee of failure) but it is often a big help.
Throughout Rovers decline they have continually appointed the inexperienced into key roles: -
- The current manager; current first team coaches; current DoF; previous manager who put together this squad; the prior 2 managers before that.
This is not good decision making. In fact it's rank poor decision making. Made even poorer by a seeming inability to learn from this continual same mistake.
Mr Blunt and Mr Baldwin as football administrators have proven themselves to be poor decision makers. This is the sad key to Rovers decline.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.
Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.
So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible
It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.
“By a former youth team player “ the word former means a lot in that statement, are you sure he has no axe to grind with him not being kept on. It’s happened in the past by at least one ex youth team player when he wasn’t kept on
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
Genuine question here;
Are you genuinely happy with how the club are going at the minute? On the field? Off the field?
Not sure why I'd be happy to see the way the club is performing on the field this season. What a strange question! I'm the same as all other DRFC supporters that I know, very disappointed.
Off the field. I'd say its a mixed bag, some of it is very good, other stuff isn't, and some of it I'm concerned about, but that's for me to resolve with the club.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.
Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.
So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible
It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.
Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.
Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.
No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.
But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.
If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?
It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.
Baz, Martin has said many times that the Chairman is in charge of the football operation. That operation involves the appointment of the head coach and HOF.
Our shocking demise on the football field has been going on for the last 3 years. Just who do you think should take responsibility for this?
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.
Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.
So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible
It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.
Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.
Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.
You have been selling everybody a dream of a club that is perfect, run by people who do the best for the club.
They have stripped the club of all the quality by letting contracts run out and replacing them with lesser players.
Not backing managers when needed and most importantly losing 1000s of supporters.
They lack the passion to run a club and are only bothered about the bank balance, defeat means less crowd's, less crowd's mean lower position.
It's time to show some and stop backing them at every opportunity before it is to late.
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I always think the sign of a club in trouble is having to try rebuilding in the January window. Either they made a mess of recruitment in the summer, or they had the wrong manger in charge at the start of the season and have since had to sack him, leading to the new guy reshaping his squad in January. I fear we are on the hook for both. January of course being the very worst time to sign anyone, let alone conduct a rebuild.
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I’m looking forward to a trip down to the Orient game early in the new year.
Get a chance to spend the weekend with my youngest son. Drinks, food and a good old social get together. He met a few lads from Edenthorpe at the Colchester game and has arranged a get together pre and prob post match with them again.
The football itself I don’t really want to think about. I can see us getting caned at the hands of a very upbeat Orient.
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I always think the sign of a club in trouble is having to try rebuilding in the January window. Either they made a mess of recruitment in the summer, or they had the wrong manger in charge at the start of the season and have since had to sack him, leading to the new guy reshaping his squad in January. I fear we are on the hook for both. January of course being the very worst time to sign anyone, let alone conduct a rebuild.
Although I am frustrated by the club continuously "writing off" seasons whilst they put their latest plan/strategy in place or let their latest manager settle in, I'd honestly rather us not sign anyone in January and just accept we're going to finish 17th and just look at next season rather than throwing money at another January flurry. One of the numerous reasons we are in the mess we are in is the god awful recruitment conducted by McSheffrey and the board last January.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.
Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.
So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible
It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.
Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.
Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.
You have been selling everybody a dream of a club that is perfect, run by people who do the best for the club.
They have stripped the club of all the quality by letting contracts run out and replacing them with lesser players.
Not backing managers when needed and most importantly losing 1000s of supporters.
They lack the passion to run a club and are only bothered about the bank balance, defeat means less crowd's, less crowd's mean lower position.
It's time to show some and stop backing them at every opportunity before it is to late.
Yet again more nonsense.
I'm not selling you anything, just pointing out the difference between made-up rubbish and what actually happens in the real world.
And FYI, I don't back them at every opportunity. I give them a very rough ride and demand more from them at face to face meetings than anybody else, just because I don't do it on here doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As I've said many a time, you have to be in the room to be able to make a difference, attacking them on social media is the biggest waste of effort and time I can think of. Not only do they not read it, they probably don't even know it exists. And to suggest that a tweet here and there is having an effect is just laughable.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.
Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.
So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible
It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.
Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.
Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.
You have been selling everybody a dream of a club that is perfect, run by people who do the best for the club.
They have stripped the club of all the quality by letting contracts run out and replacing them with lesser players.
Not backing managers when needed and most importantly losing 1000s of supporters.
They lack the passion to run a club and are only bothered about the bank balance, defeat means less crowd's, less crowd's mean lower position.
It's time to show some and stop backing them at every opportunity before it is to late.
Yet again more nonsense.
I'm not selling you anything, just pointing out the difference between made-up rubbish and what actually happens in the real world.
And FYI, I don't back them at every opportunity. I give them a very rough ride and demand more from them at face to face meetings than anybody else, just because I don't do it on here doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As I've said many a time, you have to be in the room to be able to make a difference, attacking them on social media is the biggest waste of effort and time I can think of. Not only do they not read it, they probably don't even know it exists. And to suggest that a tweet here and there is having an effect is just laughable.
Whilst I don't doubt at all that your attempts to hold their feet to the fire in face to face meetings are very well-intentioned and that you personally work very hard at what you do for the club, it doesn't mean anything really though does it as ultimately they aren't accountable to you. They can tell you what you want to hear until the cows come home but the VSC doesn't and never has had any teeth, nor is it in any position to actually effect change. The VSC shareholding is so miniscule as to be largely irrelevant to any decision making at the club or from an accountability perspective. It creates an illusion of fan engagement and involvement but i'm unconvinced it amounts to anything more than that.
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You may have answered your own point / diatribe there - the VSC shareholding is minuscule yet still they are given time of day by the board. That I would say is a good thing. There is at least a dialogue, which is likely more than most clubs offer. The only thing I think the VSC could (if not already) push harder on is publication of the accounts for Doncaster Rovers Limited, which stopped 7 years ago and were wrapped into Club Doncaster. We used to break them out, so I don’t see why we don’t do this. It’s a basic form of transparency that we should expect.
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.
No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.
But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.
If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?
It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.
Baz, Martin has said many times that the Chairman is in charge of the football operation. That operation involves the appointment of the head coach and HOF.
Our shocking demise on the football field has been going on for the last 3 years. Just who do you think should take responsibility for this?
The chairman oversees everything at the club but is not directly responsible for team performance is he? He does not interfere on team matters.
As Martin has said before, he's trusted by TB so whether you or I hold him accountable for performance over his entire tenure, not just the last 3 years, matters not.
Asking questions is the right thing to do, providing the right questions are asked.
Accusing someone, or attacking them on social media with no substance as some keep doing, isnt.
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.
No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.
But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.
If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?
It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.
Baz, Martin has said many times that the Chairman is in charge of the football operation. That operation involves the appointment of the head coach and HOF.
Our shocking demise on the football field has been going on for the last 3 years. Just who do you think should take responsibility for this?
The chairman oversees everything at the club but is not directly responsible for team performance is he? He does not interfere on team matters.
As Martin has said before, he's trusted by TB so whether you or I hold him accountable for performance over his entire tenure, not just the last 3 years, matters not.
Asking questions is the right thing to do, providing the right questions are asked.
Accusing someone, or attacking them on social media with no substance as some keep doing, isnt.
I disagree with you, Baz, that it matters not. People are now starting to vote with their feet. Despite being a ST holder, I won't be attending any more home games until this sh*tshow is sorted out, and many supporters are talking the same way.
The club will see how much it matters when crowds drop below 3000.
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.
Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.
So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible
It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.
Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.
Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.
You have been selling everybody a dream of a club that is perfect, run by people who do the best for the club.
They have stripped the club of all the quality by letting contracts run out and replacing them with lesser players.
Not backing managers when needed and most importantly losing 1000s of supporters.
They lack the passion to run a club and are only bothered about the bank balance, defeat means less crowd's, less crowd's mean lower position.
It's time to show some and stop backing them at every opportunity before it is to late.
Yet again more nonsense.
I'm not selling you anything, just pointing out the difference between made-up rubbish and what actually happens in the real world.
And FYI, I don't back them at every opportunity. I give them a very rough ride and demand more from them at face to face meetings than anybody else, just because I don't do it on here doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As I've said many a time, you have to be in the room to be able to make a difference, attacking them on social media is the biggest waste of effort and time I can think of. Not only do they not read it, they probably don't even know it exists. And to suggest that a tweet here and there is having an effect is just laughable.
Whilst I don't doubt at all that your attempts to hold their feet to the fire in face to face meetings are very well-intentioned and that you personally work very hard at what you do for the club, it doesn't mean anything really though does it as ultimately they aren't accountable to you. They can tell you what you want to hear until the cows come home but the VSC doesn't and never has had any teeth, nor is it in any position to actually effect change. The VSC shareholding is so miniscule as to be largely irrelevant to any decision making at the club or from an accountability perspective. It creates an illusion of fan engagement and involvement but i'm unconvinced it amounts to anything more than that.
Tommy C,
This isn't the right format to be giving a comprehensive answer to your post. However there are a couple of things I would respond to.
Yes, the current shareholding doesn't have any impact, but to suggest that its an illusionary point geared to provide a fan engagement perspective that supporters don't currently have at this club is so false it doesn't deserve an answer. The shareholding we had originally did have an influence, that's how we came to have a 'supporter director' on the board, but because of the funds committed to DRFC by TB and Co then of course our percentages slipped. It was inevitable.
However we've had an impact on the club for the best part of 10 years now, and without listing everything we do let me just say our involvement is in just about everything, without us there would be no supporter SLO and we would have a very different stewarding policy as just two examples. IRWT was our idea, and I'm pleased to say the club supported that. The Shadow Board was at our suggestion too. If that's not affecting change I don't know what is.
And I'm unsure what kind of teeth you expect us to have. We hold an ACV on the stadium, which means it isn't getting sold unless we're involved, unlike Belle Vue. And as soon as the FLR is implemented we'll hold the 'Golden Share' on the club itself, which means again major decisions will not be carried out without us.
We're the insurance policy to hold things together if they ever start going wrong again. Just like a lot of other campaigns I've been involved in over the years we will be there when needed, just like Portsmouth Trust, Blackpool, Exeter, Wrexham, Leeds, Swansea, Cardiff, Charlton etc etc. Try telling them they can't affect change.
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.
No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.
But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.
If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?
It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.
Baz, Martin has said many times that the Chairman is in charge of the football operation. That operation involves the appointment of the head coach and HOF.
Our shocking demise on the football field has been going on for the last 3 years. Just who do you think should take responsibility for this?
The chairman oversees everything at the club but is not directly responsible for team performance is he? He does not interfere on team matters.
As Martin has said before, he's trusted by TB so whether you or I hold him accountable for performance over his entire tenure, not just the last 3 years, matters not.
Asking questions is the right thing to do, providing the right questions are asked.
Accusing someone, or attacking them on social media with no substance as some keep doing, isnt.
I disagree with you, Baz, that it matters not. People are now starting to vote with their feet. Despite being a ST holder, I won't be attending any more home games until this sh*tshow is sorted out, and many supporters are talking the same way.
The club will see how much it matters when crowds drop below 3000.
I meant it matters not as to his position even if you (we) had grounds to beli3ve David Blunt is directly responsible for our relegation and current form.
Of course, every fan makes a choice as I've done in the past too. It's not compulsory to attend even with a season ticket, if we can't stomach facing it.
Trouble is, I've done it a couple of times and the buggers have won!!
Anyway, it's nowt new is it, crowds don't go up when we're not winning consistently.
Crowds started declining even under JRs reign, despite his best efforts to rally folk behind the cause.
So what sh*tshow are you talking about? What you/we see on the pitch or what you perceive behind the scenes?
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.
Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.
So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible
It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.
Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.
Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.
You have been selling everybody a dream of a club that is perfect, run by people who do the best for the club.
They have stripped the club of all the quality by letting contracts run out and replacing them with lesser players.
Not backing managers when needed and most importantly losing 1000s of supporters.
They lack the passion to run a club and are only bothered about the bank balance, defeat means less crowd's, less crowd's mean lower position.
It's time to show some and stop backing them at every opportunity before it is to late.
Yet again more nonsense.
I'm not selling you anything, just pointing out the difference between made-up rubbish and what actually happens in the real world.
And FYI, I don't back them at every opportunity. I give them a very rough ride and demand more from them at face to face meetings than anybody else, just because I don't do it on here doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As I've said many a time, you have to be in the room to be able to make a difference, attacking them on social media is the biggest waste of effort and time I can think of. Not only do they not read it, they probably don't even know it exists. And to suggest that a tweet here and there is having an effect is just laughable.
As soon as someone criticises this board you are straight on here defending them.
Do you reply believe I think they come on here, slowly people are starting to see what is happening at the club.
Bramall has deep pockets and short arms, rather we dropped down the divisions. What does he want from this club because its not success?
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Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
None of this is correct, not a single bit.
1) DB does not tell TB what the club needs financially, its not his role. The budget for the running of Club Doncaster and the various elements of that comes from Richard Poole, who is the Finance Director and its a collaboration with GB who then submits and commits that budget to the board. Undershooting for ages? That doesn't make any sense.
2) DB would not have been involved in any discussions about charging youth teams £2k to use the pitch, he just doesn't operate in the club on a day to day basis making decisions of that sort. Its just not his responsibility.
3) I've seen and heard these rumours about turning down bids for the club, not a single one has any merit, not one.
You might get information from the club, but why would the club tell you things that make them look bad? Blunt signs off on all transactions, whether he's in the building or not. I've been told that youth team information by a former youth team player.
The undershooting might not be deliberate, but it's happening. As referenced by multiple previous managers.
Blunt is a major part of the problem. He tells Bramall what the club needs financially, and he's been undershooting for ages. He's also obstructive. The youth team were going to play on the Keepmoat pitch for the final games of last season in the summer, all agreed, and then he tried charging them £2k for it, which the youth team quite obviously told him to shove it.
He's not going to be fired, he's Bramall's mate. He'll only leave when Bramall leaves, but given Bramall has already turned down a substantial bid because it wasn't enough, I'll believe it when I see it.
Can you elaborate on this substantial bid?
I've been told Eco-Power put an 8-figure bid in but Bramall wanted double.
So who did you hear it from, just so us uninformed can establish if what you heard was credible
It's been discussed in hospitality and corporate areas in match days when Eco-power have been there. There's other interested parties, some of whom I'd be concerned by and would rather have Bramall, but that is what it is.
Again, your reasoning is way off the mark and you change the subject when it suits you. DB does not sign off on all transactions, the day to day running of the club is performed by the CEO, that's what he's there for.
Not a single thing you've heard, and posted on here as gospel, has come from a credible source. You must be a salesman's dream.
You have been selling everybody a dream of a club that is perfect, run by people who do the best for the club.
They have stripped the club of all the quality by letting contracts run out and replacing them with lesser players.
Not backing managers when needed and most importantly losing 1000s of supporters.
They lack the passion to run a club and are only bothered about the bank balance, defeat means less crowd's, less crowd's mean lower position.
It's time to show some and stop backing them at every opportunity before it is to late.
Yet again more nonsense.
I'm not selling you anything, just pointing out the difference between made-up rubbish and what actually happens in the real world.
And FYI, I don't back them at every opportunity. I give them a very rough ride and demand more from them at face to face meetings than anybody else, just because I don't do it on here doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As I've said many a time, you have to be in the room to be able to make a difference, attacking them on social media is the biggest waste of effort and time I can think of. Not only do they not read it, they probably don't even know it exists. And to suggest that a tweet here and there is having an effect is just laughable.
As soon as someone criticises this board you are straight on here defending them.
Do you reply believe I think they come on here, slowly people are starting to see what is happening at the club.
Bramall has deep pockets and short arms, rather we dropped down the divisions. What does he want from this club because its not success?
Why don’t you approach the club and ask him? You don’t believe what SM and the VSC state so why not go that extra mile and find out for yourself?
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I've known Silent Majority since high school and in my experience, he suckers up to no one and calls a spade a spade.
Obviously, I've not been present at his meetings with the club but I know someone who has, and apparently he most definitely does not give them an easy ride.
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.
No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.
But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.
If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?
It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.
Baz, Martin has said many times that the Chairman is in charge of the football operation. That operation involves the appointment of the head coach and HOF.
Our shocking demise on the football field has been going on for the last 3 years. Just who do you think should take responsibility for this?
The chairman oversees everything at the club but is not directly responsible for team performance is he? He does not interfere on team matters.
As Martin has said before, he's trusted by TB so whether you or I hold him accountable for performance over his entire tenure, not just the last 3 years, matters not.
Asking questions is the right thing to do, providing the right questions are asked.
Accusing someone, or attacking them on social media with no substance as some keep doing, isnt.
I disagree with you, Baz, that it matters not. People are now starting to vote with their feet. Despite being a ST holder, I won't be attending any more home games until this sh*tshow is sorted out, and many supporters are talking the same way.
The club will see how much it matters when crowds drop below 3000.
A season ticket holder not attending? How will that affect the club, you've already paid and will still be counted in attendances
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I think the problem is now and I’ll admit it myself , I hardly go much now after having religiously gone week in week out - we have one of the best grounds in the league and yet we don’t use it to our advantage and there is nothing to draw you into going every week - the football experience is terrible and the structure is all over the place.
We’ve recruited players yet again who simply aren’t either good enough or experienced enough and kept far too much deadwood from last season.
And we are underperforming so badly and yet ni one seems to care too many in house appointments and connections and lack of experience and no expectation or ambition had caught up with us.
The fans are right to be annoyed after what’s happened over the last few years and covid impacted every team not just drfc to use as an excuse.
The fact we are looking at contract extensions with our league position speaks volumes
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There's nothing wrong with either the owner or the CEO at our club. The appalling demise of our football operation over the last 3 years is down to one man.
That man is our Chairman.
I think you are right SS to be honest.
Yes he runs a tight ship and that’s good but other than that as a Chairman he is a total non entity.
He is the total and complete opposite of what JR was.
We need a figure head running the club who has some personality and who is going to get the supporters enthused.
We hear absolutely nothing whatsoever from him. Zilch. ( Other than Meet the board meetings ) He bores the life out of me in those.
So it comes across that he isn’t interested in the fans. It then also comes across due to so much silence that he has very little ambition for the club to be successful on the field of play.
Now I am not saying he has no ambition for footballing success but because of his reluctance to be a positive voice as JR was that is the way he is perceived.
No, I'm not missing the point. If we were winning games consistently, nobody would give a toss about the Chairman and how he's perceived to operate.
But if we had a chairman who operated differently, maybe we would be in a healthier place as a club and in a position to win more games.
If, maybe? So this is not based on any factual evidence of what he does, doesn't do or knowledge of him as a person?
It's bizarre folk start looking for scapegoats when the scrutiny should be on the players, head coach and Head of Football.
Baz, Martin has said many times that the Chairman is in charge of the football operation. That operation involves the appointment of the head coach and HOF.
Our shocking demise on the football field has been going on for the last 3 years. Just who do you think should take responsibility for this?
The chairman oversees everything at the club but is not directly responsible for team performance is he? He does not interfere on team matters.
As Martin has said before, he's trusted by TB so whether you or I hold him accountable for performance over his entire tenure, not just the last 3 years, matters not.
Asking questions is the right thing to do, providing the right questions are asked.
Accusing someone, or attacking them on social media with no substance as some keep doing, isnt.
I disagree with you, Baz, that it matters not. People are now starting to vote with their feet. Despite being a ST holder, I won't be attending any more home games until this sh*tshow is sorted out, and many supporters are talking the same way.
The club will see how much it matters when crowds drop below 3000.
A season ticket holder not attending? How will that affect the club, you've already paid and will still be counted in attendances
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Has there ever been a multiple quote " thing" that has taken a whole Page up by itself
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A season ticket holder not attending? How will that affect the club, you've already paid and will still be counted in attendances
If all the club think about is money you will be right but if the real figure for supporters on the day keeps decreasing then the club, if they value the supporters, will take notice. If the real figure of home attendance does drop to 3000 or below then that should make the club concerned if they are bothered
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I've known Silent Majority since high school and in my experience, he suckers up to no one and calls a spade a spade.
Obviously, I've not been present at his meetings with the club but I know someone who has, and apparently he most definitely does not give them an easy ride.
Cheers BB, As I've often said on this forum, you can post what you like, tweet as often as you wish about 'calling the club out', none of it has an impact at all, I doubt DB even knows there is a forum called Viking Chat. Its the work that you do inside the room that counts, and you have to get in there first, and then once there use your common sense to get your points across.
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SM, if your trying to say that this forum and social media had nothing to do with the then demise of the last three managers of Doncaster Rovers, and nobody at Doncaster Rovers takes any notice of it, I think you are very wrong.
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Of course they're bothered but there ain't a magic wand that will make everything OK.
Nobody wants losing football, and that's the reason they've had to make difficult decisions. They've taken a different approach to restructure the football hierarchy. Unfortunately, these things take time to evolve.
Head of Football has only had one transfer window, had to make a difficult but correct decision to replace the head coach. We have seen signs of improvement but it seems it's taking longer for that improvement to stick.
I'm sure we all have our opinions about where we're lacking on the pitch but you can be sure JC26 won't like his efforts going to waste and will be looking for improvement too. We already know, they're onto recruitment for January however, there maybe more behind the scenes that need tweaking, who knows.
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Quote from ravenrover
A season ticket holder not attending? How will that affect the club, you've already paid and will still be counted in attendances
If all the club think about is money you will be right but if the real figure for supporters on the day keeps decreasing then the club, if they value the supporters, will take notice. If the real figure of home attendance does drop to 3000 or below then that should make the club concerned if they are bothered
I was just about to post the same thing, Steve. The club will be very aware that ST holders don't turn up for every game, especially when we're doing crap.
They'll soon be concerned when they see an almost empty stadium. There'll always be a hard core of around 2000 that will watch any old sh*te, but for many people, 3 years of constant decline is enough.
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Of course they're bothered but there ain't a magic wand that will make everything OK.
Nobody wants losing football, and that's the reason they've had to make difficult decisions. They've taken a different approach to restructure the football hierarchy. Unfortunately, these things take time to evolve.
Head of Football has only had one transfer window, had to make a difficult but correct decision to replace the head coach. We have seen signs of improvement but it seems it's taking longer for that improvement to stick.
I'm sure we all have our opinions about where we're lacking on the pitch but you can be sure JC26 won't like his efforts going to waste and will be looking for improvement too. We already know, they're onto recruitment for January however, there maybe more behind the scenes that need tweaking, who knows.
Of course they're bothered but there ain't a magic wand that will make everything OK.
Nobody wants losing football, and that's the reason they've had to make difficult decisions. They've taken a different approach to restructure the football hierarchy. Unfortunately, these things take time to evolve.
Head of Football has only had one transfer window, had to make a difficult but correct decision to replace the head coach. We have seen signs of improvement but it seems it's taking longer for that improvement to stick.
I'm sure we all have our opinions about where we're lacking on the pitch but you can be sure JC26 won't like his efforts going to waste and will be looking for improvement too. We already know, they're onto recruitment for January however, there maybe more behind the scenes that need tweaking, who knows.
Take time ?
They have been here over ten years
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I had always assumed that businesses were very keen to know what their customers think and make considerable attempts to get feedback.
It makes you wonder whether those who have established consultation channels advise DRFC Management that they should listen to them primarily and not take too much notice of voices on this Forum.
If the Chairman is unaware of the existence of Viking Chat, surely it is the duty of those who represent supporters to tell him of its existence at least! I think I would want to see for myself sometimes if only to test the accuracy of the positions presented by what might be called our representatives.
Not this club... we don't exist!
I am not happy with where we are at the present time but seriously your user name really is so appropriate as you really do have no eye dear whatsoever.
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I had always assumed that businesses were very keen to know what their customers think and make considerable attempts to get feedback.
It makes you wonder whether those who have established consultation channels advise DRFC Management that they should listen to them primarily and not take too much notice of voices on this Forum.
If the Chairman is unaware of the existence of Viking Chat, surely it is the duty of those who represent supporters to tell him of its existence at least! I think I would want to see for myself sometimes if only to test the accuracy of the positions presented by what might be called our representatives.
Not this club... we don't exist!
I am not happy with where we are at the present time but seriously your user name really is so appropriate as you really do have no eye dear whatsoever.
OK..
Some people saw this coming long before you. It took you till last year, and you say I have No eye Deer. Lol
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
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SM, if your trying to say that this forum and social media had nothing to do with the then demise of the last three managers of Doncaster Rovers, and nobody at Doncaster Rovers takes any notice of it, I think you are very wrong.
I thought it was said a while ago on here that the owners/board were more than aware of the discourse on forums and social media, and at one point that the "negativity" was making them consider walking away? I might've dreamt it like.
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
You've previously criticised the board for not putting any/enough money into the club.
You've just said you don't go to games and don't put money into the club that way.
By your own standards, you're just as bad as them. Nothing to do with me.
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
And your a leader??
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
And your a leader??
Gentlemen, gentlemen, never mind the bickering, just remember it's not "your", it's "you're".
Signed, A. Pedant.
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
And your a leader??
Gentlemen, gentlemen, never mind the bickering, just remember it's not "your", it's "you're".
Signed, A. Pedant.
You must have gone to Percy Jacksons ?
Me you a plan old Comp
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
And your a leader??
Gentlemen, gentlemen, never mind the bickering, just remember it's not "your", it's "you're".
Signed, A. Pedant.
Great Steve, thanks for that! It's not something I get wrong usually.
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
And your a leader??
Gentlemen, gentlemen, never mind the bickering, just remember it's not "your", it's "you're".
Signed, A. Pedant.
You must have gone to Percy Jacksons ?
Me you a plan old Comp
Yes, I was a Percy piglet, along with one or two others from this forum.
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
And your a leader??
Gentlemen, gentlemen, never mind the bickering, just remember it's not "your", it's "you're".
Signed, A. Pedant.
You must have gone to Percy Jacksons ?
Me you a plan old Comp
Yes, I was a Percy piglet, along with one or two others from this forum.
Yeah my dad was there too.
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
And your a leader??
Gentlemen, gentlemen, never mind the bickering, just remember it's not "your", it's "you're".
Signed, A. Pedant.
You must have gone to Percy Jacksons ?
Me you a plan old Comp
Yes, I was a Percy piglet, along with one or two others from this forum.
Thorne Grammar School for me Steve.
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
And your a leader??
Gentlemen, gentlemen, never mind the bickering, just remember it's not "your", it's "you're".
Signed, A. Pedant.
You must have gone to Percy Jacksons ?
Me you a plan old Comp
Yes, I was a Percy piglet, along with one or two others from this forum.
Yeah my dad was there too.
Is it checky to ask what year you was born?
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
And your a leader??
Gentlemen, gentlemen, never mind the bickering, just remember it's not "your", it's "you're".
Signed, A. Pedant.
You must have gone to Percy Jacksons ?
Me you a plan old Comp
Yes, I was a Percy piglet, along with one or two others from this forum.
Yeah my dad was there too.
Is it checky to ask what year you was born?
No, it's not cheeky, but it would give BB and Wolfie the ammo to slaughter me with.
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
And your a leader??
Gentlemen, gentlemen, never mind the bickering, just remember it's not "your", it's "you're".
Signed, A. Pedant.
You must have gone to Percy Jacksons ?
Me you a plan old Comp
Yes, I was a Percy piglet, along with one or two others from this forum.
Yeah my dad was there too.
Is it checky to ask what year you was born?
No, it's not cheeky, but it would give BB and Wolfie the ammo to slaughter me with.
The General Register Office holds records of births, but data protection would probably prevent access to information.
Besides, in SS's case, I'm not sure if records go back that far.
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Ladies & Gents.
Just to add a little bit of balance to this debate.
I’ve been in dozens of meetings with SM when he’s challenged the club on many fronts. His knowledge base & ability to hold the club to account is up there with the best.
We may not agree 100 % on every item raised in all of our discussions/meetings we attend, ( that’s life) but for people with little knowledge of what is actually said in meetings, to challenge his honesty &/or his ability to ask awkward questions is foolish. There’s minutes of each of our Shadow Board meetings on the clubs site. Please read them.
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I was referring to your post reference that “we don’t exist”
I assume you mean the supporters?
Now you cannot accuse the club of not involving fans.
There are lots of opportunities to have your say at this football club.
Yes, they involve the fans and let them choose what is served at the kiosks.
The day to day running of the club is a closed shop and until this changes the downfall will not stop. Lose and less revenue, less revenue, lesser quality of player Etc..
Far to many supporters that when week in week out just don't go anymore, me included. and to get them back will take time and results.
Irony's not your strong point is it?
Another who sees nothing wrong at the club.
In this world there are leaders and followers and your definitely a follower.
And your a leader??
Gentlemen, gentlemen, never mind the bickering, just remember it's not "your", it's "you're".
Signed, A. Pedant.
You must have gone to Percy Jacksons ?
Me you a plan old Comp
Yes, I was a Percy piglet, along with one or two others from this forum.
Yeah my dad was there too.
Is it checky to ask what year you was born?
No, it's not cheeky, but it would give BB and Wolfie the ammo to slaughter me with.
Just wondered if you went with my dad ?
Let's just say he was a post war baby
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He's not that old but not by much :-]]
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He's not that old but not by much :-]]
Actually, I am a post war baby, but that's World War 2.
BB and Wolfie, on the other hand......
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He's not that old but not by much :-]]
Actually, I am a post war baby, but that's World War 2.
BB and Wolfie, on the other hand......
Actually, I'm a pre-war baby, but that's the Falklands war.