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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on December 30, 2022, 12:50:10 pm
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Probably our hardest by far game of late and a real test of our metal and any thoughts of better times to come, and in my view, despite others not wanting signings in January looking at other threads, hopefully the last before we get a few players of better quality in.
Managed by Paul Simpson who came to the club only on the 23rd of February last and has cobbled a team of players who have been around the block of non league , released players and the inevitable players from Scotland for not a lot of money, given them an identity and style of play and is reaping the benefit of his hard work.
just a couple of months ago they gave us a shock and completely played us off the park, making us look second class from start to finish of the game at Carlisle, and have slowly built on that result and now sit just outside the automatic promotion places.
Top scorer is Kristian Dennis who has had a hoast of clubs in non league, Scotish, and lower league clubs, but has always scored goals wherever he has played and has 13 already this season.
So our much vaunted defence has something on their plate, and will no doubt remember the run around they had chasing shadows in that game at Carlisle, and will have to show better form than of late if we are to compete in this game.
After our win last night at least we should come to the game in better fettle even though it was far from a convincing performance, and we looked easy to score against, and turned over in mid field.
The first two goals last night for Rochdale were direct result of sloppy play in our own half by a poor pass from Close that got cut out and poor ball control by Seaman on the edge of our own box, we must stop the silly mistakes.
Will we make changes, probably not, and really if not for injury after a win keep it together for me and at least try and build something. This game I think we really have to step it up just to compete or we will get another thumping from a team who are confident and well drilled, and we will have to tighten our game up considerably to get anything out of the game.
I think this game could be one of the beat of the season, what do you think?
Can you see changes being made?
Are you looking forward to it?
Can we stop the goals against flying in?
Can we stop the other team from playing the way they want to? something we have rarely done this season.
Is the game attractive enough to get you to go to the match?
Lots to discuss about this game please have your say.
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They are on a decent run of form. Lost 1 in last 8 league games, 2-1 away at Northampton. Have only lost 3 league games away all season to decent sides in Stevenage, Stockport and Northampton, all by a single goal bar 2-0 at Stockport. They’ve only drawn a blank twice on the road in the league, at Mansfield and Stockport.
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Very similar results to us in the last 10 league games W4 D3 L3 I saw them when they drew 3-3 with Harrogate and were very lucky to come away with a point, both teams will score but revenge will be sweet 3-1 rovers
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Play like the second half last night or the last 30 mins of the first half and we’ll take a heavy defeat
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Keep the same starting eleven unless there are injuries. I'd like to see Knoyle back on the right but don't see it happening.
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Miller badly needs a strike partner be it Agard or Woltman.
He’s chasing lost causes game after game, I thought we’d been ‘promised’ hoofball wouldn’t be part of our ‘tactics’ under DS?
I fear (as I said on another thread) a thumping defeat.
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We are going to get thoroughly shanked unless there are radical changes made between now and then
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It looks like a hard game, and they have beaten us easily the last time we met.
But it's another day, they are not infallible, and a game is never won until it is lost. we need attitude, confidence in our own ability and to give it a go.
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Yep, nowt to lose. Go at em and see what happens.
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Looks a daunting prospect for us this in our current guise, what can DS do.
If he was of a mind to change it around(which i cannot see him do)with the bodies he has available and with the possibility of having Rowe back he could go for a conventional 442 with Maxwll, Anderson, William and Knoyle a midfield of Hurst, Close, Biggins and Moly with Miller up top and Rowe just playing off him in attack and dropping back to create a 5 in midfield when defending.
The more likely option is to stick with the team that played yesterday but if Rowe is fit then i would be tempted to use him in the centre back three on the left and move the other three over one place, this would allow Knoyle to play right wingback which would gives us additional attacking strength down the right, allowing Moly to push on and support Miller more.
Whatever DS decides to do he needs to instil the first 10mins of the last 2 games into the team and to ensure they maintain that level for as long as its required, anything less will lead to a defeat. I remember the reverse fixture and they closed us down so effectively that we looked 4 levels below them.
We need to be on it from the go but also need to play higher up the pitch, if DS has learnt anything about his squad then its this in spades.
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We need to make sure we get a good start in this one. Tighten up defensively but go for the win. Get some crosses into the box and shots on goal. I would play both wingers in this and try and get them on the ball as much as possible. If Biggins is going to play behind Miller he must support him on a regular basis. Miller needs good quality balls to him.
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Paul Simpson is the Carlisle United manager which a lot of people will know.
Gavin Skelton is the Carlisle United assistant manager/coach which quite a few people will know.
Gavin Skelton’s sister is Helen tv presenter, recently been starring on Strictly Come Dancing, not many people will admit to watching that, but she’s a bit of a MILF.
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she’s a bit of a MILF.
Understatement of the year (and next year)
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Carlisle play 352 we need to match their midfield and workrate if we stand a chance to get anything out of this game
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352 crikey we only have 11
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352 crikey we only have 11
Sometimes only 3 turn up. ;)
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At the risk of stating the obvious, I expect Carlisle to attack us down both flanks with Armer and Ellis being particularly busy exploiting the gaps between Knoyle, Maxwell and the back three. I also think they'll have too much for us in the middle of the park.
Also, look out for a neat training ground move. A free kick 'earned' in the area between the corner and the edge of the box, passed in low towards the penalty spot where Stretton will be waiting to fall over the leg of one of our defenders and earn a penalty.
0-3.
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Hope to see some pressing and energy. Get the ball out wide and let's show what we can do!! Too much worrying about the opposition.
Would love to see us go to a back 4 but don't see it happening under Danny. But energy and effort please!! And don't be scared to pick up a booking lads... In fact don't be scared to make a challenge!
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Just want to see some positive attacking play and not 90mins of slow passing around the back then hoof it to an isolated miller.
Hope to come away from the ground today saying that I have enjoyed a game of football.
But if I'm honest, I fear I will not
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At the risk of stating the obvious, I expect Carlisle to attack us down both flanks with Armer and Ellis being particularly busy exploiting the gaps between Knoyle, Maxwell and the back three. I also think they'll have too much for us in the middle of the park.
Also, look out for a neat training ground move. A free kick 'earned' in the area between the corner and the edge of the box, passed in low towards the penalty spot where Stretton will be waiting to fall over the leg of one of our defenders and earn a penalty.
0-3.
They picked up a few bad injuries on Thursday, I think Ellis was one of them.
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At the risk of stating the obvious, I expect Carlisle to attack us down both flanks with Armer and Ellis being particularly busy exploiting the gaps between Knoyle, Maxwell and the back three. I also think they'll have too much for us in the middle of the park.
Also, look out for a neat training ground move. A free kick 'earned' in the area between the corner and the edge of the box, passed in low towards the penalty spot where Stretton will be waiting to fall over the leg of one of our defenders and earn a penalty.
0-3.
They picked up a few bad injuries on Thursday, I think Ellis was one of them.
Good news! Hopefully, that and a long journey down will throw them off their game.
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352 crikey we only have 11
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At the risk of stating the obvious, I expect Carlisle to attack us down both flanks with Armer and Ellis being particularly busy exploiting the gaps between Knoyle, Maxwell and the back three. I also think they'll have too much for us in the middle of the park.
Also, look out for a neat training ground move. A free kick 'earned' in the area between the corner and the edge of the box, passed in low towards the penalty spot where Stretton will be waiting to fall over the leg of one of our defenders and earn a penalty.
0-3.
They picked up a few bad injuries on Thursday, I think Ellis was one of them.
Stretton was also one injured
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At this rate we might even have a chance!
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At the risk of stating the obvious, I expect Carlisle to attack us down both flanks with Armer and Ellis being particularly busy exploiting the gaps between Knoyle, Maxwell and the back three. I also think they'll have too much for us in the middle of the park.
Also, look out for a neat training ground move. A free kick 'earned' in the area between the corner and the edge of the box, passed in low towards the penalty spot where Stretton will be waiting to fall over the leg of one of our defenders and earn a penalty.
0-3.
They picked up a few bad injuries on Thursday, I think Ellis was one of them.
Good news! Hopefully, that and a long journey down will throw them off their game.
For Carlisle, just about every away fixture they have involves a long journey down. They may even consider us very nearly a local derby :cool: :scarf:
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Brilliant all round today attacking football and winning the midfield battle well done
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Great performance and great result.
That’s now 4 clean sheets in 24 league games. In 84pc of league games we concede a goal.
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That was like a breath of fresh air, skill, pace, determination, desire, second balls, not letting Carlisle settle on the ball. Great result & performance, well donelads. would be nice to put a run together now.
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Lot of humble pie needs consuming in this thread.
Clean sheets I don’t care about,
If we keep scoring goals and winning then it doesn’t really matter what we concede.
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Haha I was wondering which would come first - Dickos calling out doubters or CBCB bringing up our clean sheet record.
CBCB wins by a nose!
Really good watch today and that’s up there with Stevenage for me as our best performance under Schofield, arguably even better (particularly with the result). Hopefully we can build on this and have a fit centre half come in to allow Knoyle to move back to RWB by the Orient game.
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Clean sheets do matter in the long run because there will always be games when the ball just won't go in at the other end. Without clean sheets we get nothing from those.
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We were good today really enjoyed it. I do agree that we concede too many but we looked a good side on the ball today.
I think we have the chance to address weaknesses in the window. I'd like to see a holding midfielder as priority, a replacement the type of Tomlin admittedly we won't get as good and an extra striker to give us a direct option.
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Today was case in point. After we conceded they had another shot I think from same lad who scored, that Mitchell did well to save. We put ourselves in a difficult position last 10 minutes.
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At the risk of stating the obvious, I expect Carlisle to attack us down both flanks with Armer and Ellis being particularly busy exploiting the gaps between Knoyle, Maxwell and the back three. I also think they'll have too much for us in the middle of the park.
Also, look out for a neat training ground move. A free kick 'earned' in the area between the corner and the edge of the box, passed in low towards the penalty spot where Stretton will be waiting to fall over the leg of one of our defenders and earn a penalty.
0-3.
Absolutely delighted to be proved so utterly wrong!
Let's hope we can carry it on at Orient.
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Today was case in point. After we conceded they had another shot I think from same lad who scored, that Mitchell did well to save. We put ourselves in a difficult position last 10 minutes.
We do tend to get punished for mistakes regularly, only one missed header and the ball was in the back of the net. Overall though we fully deserved the win against a team in current phenomenal form, I was expecting a loss today to be honest.
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What a great game. I’ve never been so pleased to be wrong in my life
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They chased and tackled and pressured in a way they have not done for a long time. They seemed less restricted to a rigid plan - has the penny dropped for Schofield?
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Performance of the season for me. I didn't make the Northampton game, and we attacked brilliantly at Grimsby, but against a team nowhere near as good as Carlisle.
Today, we made a very strong team look ordinary, and not one single Rovers player had a poor game.
If we could play like this every game, we'd beat any team in this league.
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so glad to get another PvO spanking.
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Rather good wasn't it!? Williams mom by a distance for me.
Biggins and Hust on it today too which made a big difference. Miller had his marker in his pocket and pleased to see the players backing each other up across the pitch for a full 90. We deserved a clean sheet too.
Unbeaten in 2023 and 2 wins on the bounce. Onwards and gradually upwards.
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We set the bar higher today in all the important areas, individually, as a team, and especially off the ball and regaining possession.
Now the hard bit, repeat, repeat, repeat. and build on the confidence games like that should encourage.
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Very good game today. Really enjoyed that.
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Well that was a refreshing surprise today.
Rovers were excellent all round. They made a very good team look very poor.
Never looked in any danger of conceding and their goal was completely out of the blue.
Best Rovers have played in ages.
Great stuff!
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We saw the full benefit of the formation today including playing out from the back and mixing it up for that bit of variety.
Encourages Williams to stride out from defence knowing he has the outlets with our touchline huggers. Why do we need to play the ball to a midfield player when the centre half can make the progressive pass to put us in an attacking position?
Good to see Hurst and Maxwell having more effect down the left hand flank plus Seaman having a better game down the right. Close and Biggins worked better in tandem today with both winning more than their fair share of second balls turning over defence into attack.
Work in progress and very encouraging.
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Just want to see some positive attacking play and not 90mins of slow passing around the back then hoof it to an isolated miller.
Hope to come away from the ground today saying that I have enjoyed a game of football.
But if I'm honest, I fear I will not
So glad that I was wrong. Really enjoyed that. Last 10mins after the goal got a bit nervy but adds to the excitement.
Massive improvement in every department today. Ro-shaun was a man possessed today.
My only negative would be to get Knoyle back to rwb instead of seamen. He's just better in all honesty.
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I was surprised by the improved performance today.
Credit where it is due, we were much more effective in all areas of the pitch.
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Fantastic to see a good game of footy today, i said earlier in the thread that i hoped we could get a fast start as we had done for the previous two matches, this we did really well and more importantly we managed to maintain it for long periods in the game. it looked to me like we learnt the lessons from the previous two matches over this period and we managed to hold our shape much better and pushed up as a unit, the back pass was noticeable by its absence and all three central defenders we're looking to move the ball forward rather than look for the easy pass back to JM, with all the midfield also on it we more than matched a side who tore us apart at their place .
The whole formation seemed to click into place today, both wing backs had very good games and managed to push on and support better, this allowed Hurst and Moly to really show their worth and they created enough panic in their defence for us to have had an easier win in the end.
Really hard to pick any one individual out as i thought the whole team raised their game to a level we all knew they had in them.
The defence looked strong and concentration level were maintained for virtually the whole game, their late goal flattered them in the end, we knew they would try to pick their game up second half but we kept them to meagre scraps in front of goal, the free kick they we given when it looked like Seaman was fouled leading up to their goal was very poor from the ref.
Central midfield of Biggins and Close really stood strong today, they both put their bodies on the line won tackles and managed to penetrate their midfield at will. Moly and Hurst managed to get forward and support Miller and were both unlucky with chances, the miss from Hurst looked an easier finish then the one he buried from the very clever cut back from Miller.
So we know they have it in them to make one of the better footballing teams in this league look very average, im sure they also know and DS must also know know that this needs to be a benchmark, if we can add strength to this team there is no reason why we cannot still challenge the autos.
Great game, nice to leave the ground entertained and pleased with the effort, well done fellas.
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I was surprised by the improved performance today.
Credit where it is due, we were much more effective in all areas of the pitch.
Thought Seaman was good today and Thursday.Who would you play instead of Knoyle at right centre back
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3 from the last 5 games, second best form in the top 8.
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I was surprised by the improved performance today.
Credit where it is due, we were much more effective in all areas of the pitch.
Thought Seaman was good today and Thursday.Who would you play instead of Knoyle at right centre back
Yes, he did well today and looks like he's benefitting from the game time. It can't be easy for him, Hurst and Maxwell who have been in and out for spells until recently.
On Thursday it looked like he was struggling to last the pace but looked more on it today. Sometimes his decision making is a little suspect but hopefully he'll keep learning along with Hurst and Maxwell.
At some point, probably Knoyle will be able to move back to the wide right wing back role but Seaman's getting some valuable minutes.
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Nice we’ve won again but can’t afford to go to overboard. Still things to work on, weaknesses that need fixing. Positive two on the bounce, now try make it three.
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3 from the last 5 games, second best form in the top 8.
It's actually better than that, Sydney; it's 3 wins from the last 4 games.
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3 from the last 5 games, second best form in the top 8.
It's actually better than that, Sydney; it's 3 wins from the last 4 games.
Three other teams in L2 have won three of their last four.
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Not seen anything mentioned about the drop ball incident in 2nd half over near the East stand. I thought when play was stopped and restarted it was an uncontested drop ball. From the west it looked one of our lads blocked the Carlisle player trying to contest and they ended up with a free kick. Anybody throw any light on that please?
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Not seen anything mentioned about the drop ball incident in 2nd half over near the East stand. I thought when play was stopped and restarted it was an uncontested drop ball. From the west it looked one of our lads blocked the Carlisle player trying to contest and they ended up with a free kick. Anybody throw any light on that please?
That’s exactly how it looked on iFollow - Robbie the commentator, saw it exactly as you did. It was difficult to believe how the ref could give a foul, but of course there was also the “handball” he gave against Seaman as he was pushed to the ground and fell on the ball which led to their goal.
For some reason, thinking about this reminded me of something rather odd that we were doing In the first half - trying to “lob” Holy, their goalkeeper. It seemed almost as though they had been told to try it - yet he is 6 feet 9!! You would have thought that keeping it on the deck would be a rather better plan!
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Not seen anything mentioned about the drop ball incident in 2nd half over near the East stand. I thought when play was stopped and restarted it was an uncontested drop ball. From the west it looked one of our lads blocked the Carlisle player trying to contest and they ended up with a free kick. Anybody throw any light on that please?
The challenge by Seaman also, when I first saw it I thought there was absolutely nothing in it and was complete shithousery by the Carlisle captain trying to get him sent off . Looking at the replay ,although there was no malice in the challenge, I've seen players sent off for less