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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on January 02, 2023, 10:49:30 am
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After going to two games that floated my boat somewhat and I found refreshing, this game would hardly be the game I would have picked by choice to try and get that elusive third win on the trot to cement my belief we can actually get among the play off places.
They have been by a mile the best side in the division, consistent and well managed by Richie Wellens, who is a bit of a throw back as to the way he doesn't go along, or seems not to consider the soft hand approach is the best with his players and calls a spade a spade, and in their case it looks to work.
I have thought for quite a while that lower league clubs in the capital can get players in, either coming to the end of their careers at a higher level, or loans of younger players from those higher levels much easier than clubs not London and The Orient look to have tapped into it having a good blend of younger players and some still useful older players we have come across in past games.
The way we played yesterday, and signs of it against Rochdale a few days before have given me a little hope that at last we look like we can at last start to look forward with this group of players who are mostly young and from the start most thought could get better given the chance. hopefully they now have some belief in themselves and start to fulfil some of their promise, as I said a few months ago we have players who can carry the ball past players and are now showing, or at least in the last two games have shown they can, and its exciting to watch.
The thing that impressed me yesterday however was our work rate to stop Carlisle from playing, something we have been very poor at, our game off the ball causing very few problems for other sides who have mostly found us easy to play against, yesterday was different we were hard to play against when not having the ball, and that is again going to be very important at Leyton.
Anderson and Williams were immense, and for once Close was good off the ball putting a foot in and doing some of the dirty work in areas it mattered, something we have not been that great at. And a word for Miller, the lad works his socks off, and yesterday he ran the Carlisle central defenders to distraction from the first minute, had a great assist and with Williams and Anderson gave us a core down the centre of the the field that did it's job well.
So we go with hope if we can replicate that form to me, but it will not be easy, what do you think?
Will our wide players now have the confidence to get on the ball and be expansive and express themselves?
Can we once again be hard to play against?
Can we take the game to Leyton, which I see as our best chance of getting anything from the game?
Will Richie be hell bent on giving us a good hiding?
Are we capable of causing a shock and getting among it ourselves?
Lots to discuss about this game, have we once again seen a false dawn? or have we turned a corner? please have your say.
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After going to two games that floated my boat somewhat and I found refreshing, this game would hardly be the game I would have picked by choice to try and get that elusive third win on the trot to cement my belief we can actually get among the play off places.
They have been by a mile the best side in the division, consistent and well managed by Richie Wellens, who is a bit of a throw back as to the way he doesn't go along, or seems not to consider the soft hand approach is the best with his players and calls a spade a spade, and in their case it looks to work.
I have thought for quite a while that lower league clubs in the capital can get players in, either coming to the end of their careers at a higher level, or loans of younger players from those higher levels much easier than clubs not London and The Orient look to have tapped into it having a good blend of younger players and some still useful older players we have come across in past games.
The way we played yesterday, and signs of it against Rochdale a few days before have given me a little hope that at last we look like we can at last start to look forward with this group of players who are mostly young and from the start most thought could get better given the chance. hopefully they now have some belief in themselves and start to fulfil some of their promise, as I said a few months ago we have players who can carry the ball past players and are now showing, or at least in the last two games have shown they can, and its exciting to watch.
The thing that impressed me yesterday however was our work rate to stop Carlisle from playing, something we have been very poor at, our game off the ball causing very few problems for other sides who have mostly found us easy to play against, yesterday was different we were hard to play against when not having the ball, and that is again going to be very important at Leyton.
Anderson and Williams were immense, and for once Close was good off the ball putting a foot in and doing some of the dirty work in areas it mattered, something we have not been that great at. And a word for Miller, the lad works his socks off, and yesterday he ran the Carlisle central defenders to distraction from the first minute, had a great assist and with Williams and Anderson gave us a core down the centre of the the field that did it's job well.
So we go with hope if we can replicate that form to me, but it will not be easy, what do you think?
Will our wide players now have the confidence to get on the ball and be expansive and express themselves?
Can we once again be hard to play against?
Can we take the game to Leyton, which I see as our best chance of getting anything from the game?
Will Richie be hell bent on giving us a good hiding?
Are we capable of causing a shock and getting among it ourselves?
Lots to discuss about this game, have we once again seen a false dawn? or have we turned a corner? please have your say.
To be honest this is a bonus game. If we get anything from it points wise I think that would be fantastic.
The most important thing on Saturday is the performance. Keep up the standards we showed yesterday and yes we could cause a shock.
But we should remember Leyton Orient haven’t got 53 points at the half way stage for no reason.
That is an unbelievable record. If they double it then that’s one of the highest totals ever.
DU over to you on that one.
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Just checked that one myself and if Orient double their half way total they will equal the record of 106 points set by Reading in 2005/06
That’s under the 3 points for a win system of course with 46 games played.
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This is almost a home game for me! I’ll be sitting in the home end with a couple of O’s supporting mates.
Make no bones about it, Orient are by far the best team in the division. Richie has them playing a high tempo game with some very talented players….But
According to my mates, Most teams who play them at home are coming to defend and trying to nick a draw which plays right into their hands. The teams who’ve put them under real pressure are the ones who’ve chased and put them under real pressure from the start. Just as we did against Carlisle. I reckon Miller will be vital to us getting anything out of the game as their defence can be a bit suspect when being pressured by opposing forwards. It’ll be tough but they are beatable if we put in a real shift.
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I agree with Herbert A's observations and even if we were not on a high at the moment we should not go anywhere in this League and defend.
Looking critically at Orient's games in the last 2 months, you will see that they have dipped slightly compared with how they were performing up to then. In November they lost away to Crewe (in the Cup) and Wimbledon. Admittedly they then won 4 in succession, but in the TV match versus Stevenage neither team moved as well (- in the 2nd half which I saw) as we did yesterday as they slugged out their 0-0 draw. They then went to Newport and could only draw 0-0.
You might conclude that they would be due for a good performance against us and it would be bold to forecast much beyond a draw from our point of view, but if they produce the work rate that we saw against Carlisle there will a good deal for them to think about.
Another point which you can pick up from the stats is that they have relatively few shots on goal, but they do get rather more on target than average! So we need another Carlisle performance, but without routine unnecessary time-wasting substitutions.
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Watching the Northampton v Orient match 0-0 H/T
Have to say Orient have been very poor. Hope they are as bad next week because if we go and have a go at them then we can beat them.
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I was dreading this one until the last two results.
I’m making my way down to the smoke Friday night to spend a couple of nights at the youngest sons in Balham. Sat morning will be a leisurely breakfast. A quick trip up the northern line to London Bridge to sample a couple of quickies on the Bermondsey Beer Mile, which my lad highly recommends for the purveyors of fine ale, then a quick trot up the jubilee and central line to hopefully meet up with a few fellow travelling rovers at The Birbeck Tavern.
To the game itself, the O’ s are having a very minor blip in their form, having drawn their last 3, and with Rovers on a “could you believe it” possible third win on the trot, a shock is certainly possible.
More of the same from the Carlisle game, and all will be good.
A draw would be very admirable. And I’ll take that happily pre match.
Dare we dream for more? A win would surely place rovers into a playoff slot.
And at 19/5 ( sky bet) Rovers may be worth a flutter for no other reason than to offset the £7 a pint prices that await us in the capital, if Rovers bag all three points of course.
Weather is looking very mild (12) but wet with light rain forecast all day.
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Another game like the last two, if we are to be serious about getting into anywhere near the playoff positions this is the type of game we need to go to and get some sort of result, a draw would boost the fans belief, a win and I think I would get a bit giddy.
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According to Orient fans all their centre halves are injured so will be looking to get at least one in before our game
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And having a drop in form and not the all conquering machine they were at our level a short time ago.
But we are just the team adept at getting teams on bad run's back on Tr....k OH bloody hell not again.
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Definitely winnable. They will try to hard to beat us, leaving gaps at the back for us to exploit.
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We really need to have a greater grit and resolve in these type of fixtures if we are to get much from them. Whether we can do that going forward we will see
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I have got the past 2 results correct including saying 4 or 5 goals against Rochdale (not the 3 conceded) and the win against Carlisle, So again this will be our 3rd win in a row(when did we last do that?) and we will come out 2-0 winner’s keeping a much needed clean sheet.
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The efl highlights proramme is "coming from " Leyton Orient this week - they said that at the end of the last prog.
As you might remember the manager lives in a flat "built as part of the ground" -
When Russel Slade was their manager they highlighted this on the tv -- I wonder if they might go down the route of popping into his flat for a cup of tea pre-match ?
lets hope they get their 4th "duck egg in row" so Mrs Wellens has enough to make an omlette for the tv crew post match
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Arrived safely in the smoke. Think I passed the Wilfreda Beehive team bus going through the Hatfield Tunnel .
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I make this prediction .... though I am s**t.
It won't be as hot as when we played them after beating Daggers at Stoke (with a Promotion Goal from Franny Tierney)
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Just looked at forecast for tomorrow. Looks terrible.
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Just looked at forecast for tomorrow. Looks terrible.
Mild and wet.
Like a good Sam Smiths
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Northcote Arms for me today.
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Just looked at forecast for tomorrow. Looks terrible.
Mild and wet.
Like a good Sam Smiths
That was always the after effects for me :-]]
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Fair play to the Rovers fans seen staggering off of their bus in Chalk Farm early this morning looking like they’d not slept for a fortnight! Hopefully they found somewhere serving a full English!!
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Enjoy the day. I'll be tuning in as usual. Same eleven again until we get another centre half fit and we can move Knoyle back to RWB.
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I'll be listening on ifollow too, kind of regretting not getting on one of the coaches, I get the feeling it could be a good day.
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Unchanged side from last week which is good news - apart from Clayton not even on the bench??
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According to Orient fans all their centre halves are injured so will be looking to get at least one in before our game
Beckles got sent off last week and Happe went off injured. That’s their first choice CB partnership out. They have had the strongest defence in the league so far.
Orient have also failed to score in their last 3.
Rovers 16/5 today.
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If Mansfield fail to beat Barrow and we win we are 4th this eve.
Massive game. I will take a draw but come on boys let’s go and win it.
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Is the game only available on audio?
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Desperately need someone to help George miller so obvious!
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2nd half we showed very little attacking until last 5 mins or so.
Wonder goal beat us today. We looked very solid at the back and that was the only way they were going to score.
Mansfield lost as well. Oh well we move on to the next one. 3 points at Crawley is the requirement.
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Camps, you used to be a decent keeper back in the day.
If the goal today was a wonder strike, do you think Mitchell was at fault?
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It showed how much we need some new faces in very quickly,we have nothing on the bench to change anything
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Camps, you used to be a decent keeper back in the day.
If the goal today was a wonder strike, do you think Mitchell was at fault?
Absolutely not, brilliant strike, Mitchell couldn’t have done much more with it. If anything I’d question millers poor clearance. Have to hold your hands up and say we got beaten by a wonder strike because they didn’t offer much more other than that
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Camps, you used to be a decent keeper back in the day.
If the goal today was a wonder strike, do you think Mitchell was at fault?
No it was a wonder strike.
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Desperately need someone to help George miller so obvious!
May.
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I’ll get slated and hopefully I am wrong but I just don’t think any manager will do anything until we get people in at the top who have ambition and drive yes I mean the board!
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I’ll get slated and hopefully I am wrong but I just don’t think any manager will do anything until we get people in at the top who have ambition and drive yes I mean the board!
They can only provide the funds; it's Copps and DS who will decide what players to sign. If the players are sh*t, it's down to those two.
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For 5 minutes or so before the goal we struggled to clear our lines several times, inviting the pressure to build & giving them that bit of impetus there were strugglingto find. It just needed 1 or 2 of our players to get hold of the ball & take the sting out, unfortunately there was nobody able to do so, we really need to bring in someone who can.
Looking at the overall performance, (apart from the inability to create any kind of chance second half), there were some positives. Just really annoying we didn't have the nous or physical strength to take that 1st half performance into the 2nd half. Make no mistake they were there for the taking first half.
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At first sight I thought Mitchell was at fault for the goal but after watching it back I don’t think there’s much he could’ve done, yes he will probs be disappointed but don’t think he can be blamed for it. We’ve been beat by top of the league because of a worldie.
I’d say we need 3-4 signings (CB, midfielder, Wide forward and another option up front) this month if we are gonna break into the top 7.
We more than matched Orient in the first half and then Wellens changed the tactics and they were the better team in the 2nd half, unfortunately we didn’t have anyone on the bench who could come on and turn the game back in our favour.
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At first sight I thought Mitchell was at fault for the goal but after watching it back I don’t think there’s much he could’ve done, yes he will probs be disappointed but don’t think he can be blamed for it. We’ve been beat by top of the league because of a worldie.
I’d say we need 3-4 signings (CB, midfielder, Wide forward and another option up front) this month if we are gonna break into the top 7.
We more than matched Orient in the first half and then Wellens changed the tactics and they were the better team in the 2nd half, unfortunately we didn’t have anyone on the bench who could come on and turn the game back in our favour.
100 percent agree if we get the good players in sooner rather than later
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Camps, you used to be a decent keeper back in the day.
If the goal today was a wonder strike, do you think Mitchell was at fault?
Absolutely not, brilliant strike, Mitchell couldn’t have done much more with it. If anything I’d question millers poor clearance. Have to hold your hands up and say we got beaten by a wonder strike because they didn’t offer much more other than that
I have just seen the goal.
No way was it a keeper error, a once in a lifetime strike for their player and any decent keeper would have positioned himself as Mitchell did.
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Camps, you used to be a decent keeper back in the day.
If the goal today was a wonder strike, do you think Mitchell was at fault?
Absolutely not, brilliant strike, Mitchell couldn’t have done much more with it. If anything I’d question millers poor clearance. Have to hold your hands up and say we got beaten by a wonder strike because they didn’t offer much more other than that
I have just seen the goal.
No way was it a keeper error, a once in a lifetime strike for their player and any decent keeper would have positioned himself as Mitchell did.
Thank you hound. For a split second I thought I had lost the plot.
I think any top Premier league keeper would have struggled to save that.
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On the back of 9 points from a possible 12 I feel like there were definitely some further positives to take from today’s game. We were great at winning the second balls in the first half and had plenty of territory in one of the more difficult away games we’ll face this season. The long throws began to trouble us second half and ultimately we were undone by a great strike that he’d probably struggle to repeat in another 50 attempts. We finished on the front foot again but ultimately it wasn’t enough. Lots to take from the performance overall and we’re still developing as a team. However because they scored and we didn’t it’s probably time for a new manager and we should definitely sack all of the players and sign a new team, and we need a new board.
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On the back of 9 points from a possible 12 I feel like there were definitely some further positives to take from today’s game. We were great at winning the second balls in the first half and had plenty of territory in one of the more difficult away games we’ll face this season. The long throws began to trouble us second half and ultimately we were undone by a great strike that he’d probably struggle to repeat in another 50 attempts. We finished on the front foot again but ultimately it wasn’t enough. Lots to take from the performance overall and we’re still developing as a team. However because they scored and we didn’t it’s probably time for a new manager and we should definitely sack all of the players and sign a new team, and we need a new board.
That about sums it up Jonathan.
Last week after beating Carlisle 2-1 at home, who are 4th in the table we are world beaters.
Today after losing 1-0 away to the League leaders to a wonder strike after being the better team in the 1st half we are garbage. :zzz:
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On the back of 9 points from a possible 12 I feel like there were definitely some further positives to take from today’s game. We were great at winning the second balls in the first half and had plenty of territory in one of the more difficult away games we’ll face this season. The long throws began to trouble us second half and ultimately we were undone by a great strike that he’d probably struggle to repeat in another 50 attempts. We finished on the front foot again but ultimately it wasn’t enough. Lots to take from the performance overall and we’re still developing as a team. However because they scored and we didn’t it’s probably time for a new manager and we should definitely sack all of the players and sign a new team, and we need a new board.
Bloody hell that last line. Cringe. Was there today. We competed first half, second half we offered absolutely nothing. Pretty poor sadly. Standard stuff though for us at the mo
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Today we was away at the league leaders. We controlled the first half trying to play football, which the leyton orient commentary actually applauded rovers for (apparently past teams look to grind out bore draws) and at half time also stated rovers by far the best side.
2nd half, Richie makes changes. They have an impact. We look at our bench and think "for f***s sake". Recruitment required, with some injury returns much needed.
Weather becomes dreadful and you could see the pitch changing as the minutes passed by, ball seemed to slow up. That stopped what game we tried to play.
Then they bang in goal of the month and more than likely be on the shortlist for goal of the season. After that our game plan was shot. Yes they may of been the better team 2nd half but by god they never once looked to actually be a threat.
Those lads in the green and black today can hold their heads up high because they played their hearts out in dreadful conditions. Another day could be a different story
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Archibald’s wordie strike was the thin difference between the two sides given that Orient lead the division by 5 points.
We had the players with better technique & pace imo, they came on stronger in the first 10 minutes or so of the 2nd half & their support (at last) drove them on.
Mitchell, Maxwell, Anderson all had excellent games. Knoyle is not a central defender.
Yet again George was pretty much left again to ‘his own devices’ up front although Hurst ran his socks off to support whilst Molyneaux simply had his rolled down or ‘cut off’ I believe the players with ‘blistering’ pace do (like Taylor) except he didn’t & doesn’t & still for me flatters to deceive, (oh for a winger in the Archibald mould & not just for his goal).
Seaman always seems to get slaughtered on this forum but his endeavour & chasing back cannot be faulted imo, whether he can ‘add more’ to his game in order to progress lies at the feet of those who see him in practice day on day.
Close & Biggins, neither let the side down or conversely galvanised it in midfield, I guess in that position they are our best pairing at least as we speak.
A draw would have been a fair result.
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I thought Seaman was good today and would certainly be a good back up to Knoyle.
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Rovers remind me of a schoolboy who tries to stand up to a bully but when the bully becomes provoked he loses his nerve and rolls up on the floor like a hedgehog.
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Not at the game today but what I've seen, heard, there wasn't much between the two teams. A draw wouldn't have been unfair.
Soz, but you can’t put that goal to a keeping error. If Mitchell was 6 inch4s taller then he might have had a chance but there was nothing wrong with his positioning.
Result was nothing to get down about. Move on and win the next one.b
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We need some clout in midfield and energy, not just playing when in possession of the ball.
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Archibald’s wordie strike was the thin difference between the two sides given that Orient lead the division by 5 points.
We had the players with better technique & pace imo, they came on stronger in the first 10 minutes or so of the 2nd half & their support (at last) drove them on.
Mitchell, Maxwell, Anderson all had excellent games. Knoyle is not a central defender.
Yet again George was pretty much left again to ‘his own devices’ up front although Hurst ran his socks off to support whilst Molyneaux simply had his rolled down or ‘cut off’ I believe the players with ‘blistering’ pace do (like Taylor) except he didn’t & doesn’t & still for me flatters to deceive, (oh for a winger in the Archibald mould & not just for his goal).
Seaman always seems to get slaughtered on this forum but his endeavour & chasing back cannot be faulted imo, whether he can ‘add more’ to his game in order to progress lies at the feet of those who see him in practice day on day.
Close & Biggins, neither let the side down or conversely galvanised it in midfield, I guess in that position they are our best pairing at least as we speak.
A draw would have been a fair result.
Agree with the majority of this, Williams was also brilliant (MOTM for me). His last 2 games have probs been his best in a rovers shirt and I think that’s because he’s in the middle of a 3 where he can go and attack everything and bring the ball out and start attacks.
Molyneux is getting better every week and confidence is growing but just needs that goal to really get him going.
Seaman has really impressed me since coming back into the team, we all know he’s not as good as Knoyle but he’s playing well atm and will only keep improving with regular game time.
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We lack competition and options, in places in the squad. We need a situation where there is real pressure, to get into the side. We lost narrowly to a great strike. We need to be involved in this transfer window to shake things up a bit. A few players have run their course with us, while others need better players at the side of them.
It’s worrying that we’ve dropped so much with expectations that losing to Orient narrowly is almost like a victory. A decent side no doubt and deservedly top, but a side 3-4 years ago we would have taken care of. Better recent form overall lately though, so there are positives.
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On the back of 9 points from a possible 12 I feel like there were definitely some further positives to take from today’s game. We were great at winning the second balls in the first half and had plenty of territory in one of the more difficult away games we’ll face this season. The long throws began to trouble us second half and ultimately we were undone by a great strike that he’d probably struggle to repeat in another 50 attempts. We finished on the front foot again but ultimately it wasn’t enough. Lots to take from the performance overall and we’re still developing as a team. However because they scored and we didn’t it’s probably time for a new manager and we should definitely sack all of the players and sign a new team, and we need a new board.
Bloody hell that last line. Cringe. Was there today. We competed first half, second half we offered absolutely nothing. Pretty poor sadly. Standard stuff though for us at the mo
Is this a "whooooosh" moment
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On the back of 9 points from a possible 12 I feel like there were definitely some further positives to take from today’s game. We were great at winning the second balls in the first half and had plenty of territory in one of the more difficult away games we’ll face this season. The long throws began to trouble us second half and ultimately we were undone by a great strike that he’d probably struggle to repeat in another 50 attempts. We finished on the front foot again but ultimately it wasn’t enough. Lots to take from the performance overall and we’re still developing as a team. However because they scored and we didn’t it’s probably time for a new manager and we should definitely sack all of the players and sign a new team, and we need a new board.
Bloody hell that last line. Cringe. Was there today. We competed first half, second half we offered absolutely nothing. Pretty poor sadly. Standard stuff though for us at the mo
Is this a "whooooosh" moment
No, I don't think so. Jonathan's comment is obviously taking the p*ss out of those condemning yesterday's performance, and Redroy is one of those, so he would cringe at that last line.
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Agreed J was taking P!ss but Rroy seemed to swallow it
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You could say that it was yet another disappointing second half. It seems that Wellens changed his tactics in the second half and it surely the Head Coach’s job to anticipate that the opposition will come up with a new plan.
If he was really perceptive he might suggest what kind of changes they might expect. Even if he doesn’t it is up to him to figure out how to counter as the match progresses, but did he? When he talks it is coaching-textbook speak and I wonder whether he lacks imagination.
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Forgot to mention this but we managed to squeeze into the supporters club at Orient just before the match and what a lovely array of ales they had. I opted for a very nice local stout. Made to feel very welcome there by some of the locals also.
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On the back of 9 points from a possible 12 I feel like there were definitely some further positives to take from today’s game. We were great at winning the second balls in the first half and had plenty of territory in one of the more difficult away games we’ll face this season. The long throws began to trouble us second half and ultimately we were undone by a great strike that he’d probably struggle to repeat in another 50 attempts. We finished on the front foot again but ultimately it wasn’t enough. Lots to take from the performance overall and we’re still developing as a team. However because they scored and we didn’t it’s probably time for a new manager and we should definitely sack all of the players and sign a new team, and we need a new board.
That about sums it up Jonathan.
Last week after beating Carlisle 2-1 at home, who are 4th in the table we are world beaters.
Today after losing 1-0 away to the League leaders to a wonder strike after being the better team in the 1st half we are garbage. :zzz:
That’s normally the tripe you hear coming out the mouths of Wednesday fans
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On the back of 9 points from a possible 12 I feel like there were definitely some further positives to take from today’s game. We were great at winning the second balls in the first half and had plenty of territory in one of the more difficult away games we’ll face this season. The long throws began to trouble us second half and ultimately we were undone by a great strike that he’d probably struggle to repeat in another 50 attempts. We finished on the front foot again but ultimately it wasn’t enough. Lots to take from the performance overall and we’re still developing as a team. However because they scored and we didn’t it’s probably time for a new manager and we should definitely sack all of the players and sign a new team, and we need a new board.
That about sums it up Jonathan.
Last week after beating Carlisle 2-1 at home, who are 4th in the table we are world beaters.
Today after losing 1-0 away to the League leaders to a wonder strike after being the better team in the 1st half we are garbage. :zzz:
That’s normally the tripe you hear coming out the mouths of Wednesday fans
Yes your right but it applies to some of our fans also.
Probably some fans of every team DVR