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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: roverstillidie91 on January 15, 2023, 07:32:31 am
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https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/sackthedrfcboard
Just seen this, I am pretty sure this is going OTT.
Obviously fans are entitled to their feelings however....
TB has put in over 20 million pounds since he has been here, it isn't for us to tell him what to do with his money and also I wish thanks would just accept that JR is NOT coming back, he has stated this on social media. The fans also mention spending thousands upon thousands. The owners and previously JR, DW etc have spent millions of pounds on the club
And just because you make a promise to return to the Championship it doesn't mean you will be successful, there are other team vying for the same goal.
Also if the owners want to make it self-sufficient that is THEIR choice as they own the club and there is this mention of asset stripping. What is there to strip? We don't even own our own stadium or training ground.
The goal of 'some' fans is that they want the board to sell up.
But who to? Is there anyone really interested in buying us and there hasn't been that many rumours since TB took full control (was it 2014 or 2015?)
The issue is and I will say it again. We don't get enough fans through the gates and then if we did say get an extra few thousand we may be would be able to get better players in but the simple facts are we don't even fill half of the ground the majority of the time. Mainly swelled by away supporters.
And this thing about the club making a profit. I would imagine it is very marginal.
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Idiots spring to mind. I doubt many if any of these fans were around in the 70s, 80s and what happened in the 97/98 season.
All the times we had to re apply to be in the league. Mainly a fourth division club. When we did get promoted it didn’t last long. But, we still turned up and supported our club.
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Interesting, not many prepared to put their names to a donation, a lot mis representing others by putting false names in, so very few are prepared to identify themselves
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So do they offer an alternative, are they brokering deals with potential buyers.
Absolutely absurd spoilt kids spring to mind.
They’ve set themselves up though - if we get decent signings in now will they claim credit for it.
This will lead to even more infighting amongst the fans
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That’s just f**king embarrassing.
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Notice there is 1 if not more contributors on there as well
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That’s just f**king embarrassing.
What's most embarrassing about it they don't see the deep irony that not only do they want other people to bankroll the club they claim to support, they have so little real 'passion' and 'ambition' that they want other people to pay for their pathetic protests instead of paying for it themselves.
PS Read the reply to the message at the bottom of the page. How's that for even more embarrassing? :lol:
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So much for the cost of living crisis...
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Yes, I'm sure we could all think of better ways of spending £500.
I've asked the question to a couple of them. What if you get your wish, and TB and the board pull the plug? What then? What's your objective?
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Anyone under the age of about 35, which would be probably 99% of that lot, have no idea or perception of what a club being run down really looks like
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Anyone under the age of about 35, which would be probably 99% of that lot, have no idea or perception of what a club being run down really looks like
Sadly, there's some much older leading the charge. The pied pipers leading them over the cliff hoping for someone to catch them!
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Anyone under the age of about 35, which would be probably 99% of that lot, have no idea or perception of what a club being run down really looks like
Perhaps not in the context of what we've seen at the club previously, but given what they have seen from the club it's understandable to be frustrated at the retrogression we've seen. I fundamentally agree though with others that they've zero idea of what solutions are (because it's so easy to find someone who's got and wants to spend tens of millions they won't get back).
Let's just say the owner says ok then I'm off, what happens then? We may then see the real decline. Many throw the accusation that this is a ridiculous notion that we wouldn't be a Scunthorpe etc, but this is exactly what happened at Scunthorpe, they got a new owner who came in spent a few quid for a year or so then it's all gone wrong.
Yes be frustrated with where we are, but there's no magic solution.
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what I find amazing about this thread is ..... I have just logged onto this site -- to add an update to the Gillingham thread ( the one that is making my bank manager do cartwheels)
apart from letting you know about another RAT signing for them.
(now for the funny bit)
I was going to suggest on the Pied Piper thread we do a "just giving fundraiser" to raise £1 so Gillingham Rover could attend the Gillingham v Crawley match on Feb 4th now Rovers match was postponed yyesterday.
so far he has refuted my suggestion he go to the match but if its scouting (on club business) he might yet have a change of heart
Then I log on here and see this thread
i am now trying to get a double on Gillingham to stay up and the second leg of the double is that the perpetrator of the thread passes himself as a Rovers fan using a biblical name "AA******"
remember the AA go out to people who need help --- as you can see indeed "AA******" needs help.
What worries me is that "AA******" might have carried out a cyber attack on my brain overnight to come up with an "uncunning plan" similar to the one I have for Gillingham Rover.
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Anyone under the age of about 35, which would be probably 99% of that lot, have no idea or perception of what a club being run down really looks like
Perhaps not in the context of what we've seen at the club previously, but given what they have seen from the club it's understandable to be frustrated at the retrogression we've seen. I fundamentally agree though with others that they've zero idea of what solutions are (because it's so easy to find someone who's got and wants to spend tens of millions they won't get back).
Let's just say the owner says ok then I'm off, what happens then? We may then see the real decline. Many throw the accusation that this is a ridiculous notion that we wouldn't be a Scunthorpe etc, but this is exactly what happened at Scunthorpe, they got a new owner who came in spent a few quid for a year or so then it's all gone wrong.
Yes be frustrated with where we are, but there's no magic solution.
Exactly. Has anyone caught some of the goings on at Everton with fans protests?
There was summat on Talksport where one fan said the club is dieing under the current ownership!
Just shows how detached from reality they are really doesn't it!? Cocooned in their Premier League bubble.
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Wonder if Mr Ghosh is involved in the ridiculous money raising idea?
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Anyone under the age of about 35, which would be probably 99% of that lot, have no idea or perception of what a club being run down really looks like
Perhaps not in the context of what we've seen at the club previously, but given what they have seen from the club it's understandable to be frustrated at the retrogression we've seen. I fundamentally agree though with others that they've zero idea of what solutions are (because it's so easy to find someone who's got and wants to spend tens of millions they won't get back).
Let's just say the owner says ok then I'm off, what happens then? We may then see the real decline. Many throw the accusation that this is a ridiculous notion that we wouldn't be a Scunthorpe etc, but this is exactly what happened at Scunthorpe, they got a new owner who came in spent a few quid for a year or so then it's all gone wrong.
Yes be frustrated with where we are, but there's no magic solution.
Completely agree with this.
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Jesus wept. A fundraiser to try and get £500 just for some gear for a protest.
If this does happen then it will make us look like a laughing stock.
Bet about 80% of teams that look at rovers while not understand why we have a need to protest.
You'd swear that some of our fans think we are a massive club and are playing below our level. Need to give their heads a shake. Yes we have played at much higher. But we have also played at lower. We are that type of team that will yo yo between leagues.
I'd love us to be a permanent championship club. But unless we are willing to risk bankruptcy to stay there then it aint gonna happen. Can we afford to start paying upwards of 10k a week on players. Not with the gates we get
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Given the realities of our financial situation, the wider economic picture and the footballing world today, the two things we could do to pretty much immediately remedy the situation are (1) supporters accept that being a top half League One club is realistically where we are aiming and not a Championship club, and (2) we have a more effective talent identification and recruitment operation to make better use of the budget we have available (which is a solid League One budget).
We are where we are because we've recruited very badly in recent years and have had a mixed bag of managers, with managerial turnover adding to recruitment being a huge shitshow. Neither of these two actions above would really cost any money and don't require a change of ownership.
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Wonder if Mr Ghosh is involved in the ridiculous money raising idea?
Whoever they are, I bet they won't say who they are or produce receipts to show where the money was actually spent. This gives the impression of being the kind of grift that Donald Trump usually pulls on his supporters.
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See they are resorting to personal insults as well against individuals who have a close association with the club...
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See they are resorting to personal insults as well against individuals who have a close association with the club...
Thats nothing new, it’s what the previous disruptive group excelled at, one or two ring leaders getting the younger ones to do their bidding
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Maybe it might be a good idea for the club to do some form of 'marketing' event.
Like say discounted shirts and/or tickets? Just to get fans through the turnstiles and generate some funds
One that silent_majority could recommend?
It's important positivity is maintained for the players and staff. One of the contributors on MOTD last night pointed it out saying when the atmosphere is negative it does get to the players and put more pressure on them.
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Interesting, not many prepared to put their names to a donation, a lot mis representing others by putting false names in, so very few are prepared to identify themselves
It would get more support if it was a “For Sale” sign !!
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I've lost count of the various campaigns I've been involved in over the last 23 years or so, from single club issues like SWFC, Portsmouth, Blackpool, Leeds Utd, Bury, Wrexham, Oldham etc, to national campaigns like Safe Standing, Watching Football is not a Crime, Twenty's Plenty, Fan Led Review etc.
I've chaired more single committee's around these issues, seen success at all levels and was deputy chair for 8 years of the largest supporter organisation in the UK. We always had a listening ear to any group that approached us for help, but I don't think I've seen anything as daft as this campaign. The time to get involved is when your club has an issue that threatens its very survival, that's why Supporters Direct was founded by the then Labour Government to offer that protection and to promote supporter involvement within clubs, and to be a lifeline if the unforeseen ever did occur. Those very supporter groups have worked miracles where and when required.
But the issue we have here at DRFC is not a threat to the survival of this club which makes the so called campaign just a show of petulance. If they approach any supporter organisation for help I can guarantee the outcome of that!! No, they won't find a welcome that's for sure, because these protestors (if that's what they are) have one reason and only one, they want to see somebody else bankrolling their club.
Having a pop at me though is par for the course, I just find it laughable!
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See they are resorting to personal insults as well against individuals who have a close association with the club...
in fairness some people on this thread have used insults to
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Well said SM.
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I've lost count of the various campaigns I've been involved in over the last 23 years or so, from single club issues like SWFC, Portsmouth, Blackpool, Leeds Utd, Bury, Wrexham, Oldham etc, to national campaigns like Safe Standing, Watching Football is not a Crime, Twenty's Plenty, Fan Led Review etc.
I've chaired more single committee's around these issues, seen success at all levels and was deputy chair for 8 years of the largest supporter organisation in the UK. We always had a listening ear to any group that approached us for help, but I don't think I've seen anything as daft as this campaign. The time to get involved is when your club has an issue that threatens its very survival, that's why Supporters Direct was founded by the then Labour Government to offer that protection and to promote supporter involvement within clubs, and to be a lifeline if the unforeseen ever did occur. Those very supporter groups have worked miracles where and when required.
But the issue we have here at DRFC is not a threat to the survival of this club which makes the so called campaign just a show of petulance. If they approach any supporter organisation for help I can guarantee the outcome of that!! No, they won't find a welcome that's for sure, because these protestors (if that's what they are) have one reason and only one, they want to see somebody else bankrolling their club.
Having a pop at me though is par for the course, I just find it laughable!
They don’t want to bankroll their own campaign
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While I don’t agree with protests as the club is run financially well to not make a loss, these last few seasons have been frustrating to say the least and I’m not sure there has been any improvement really, every pre season we need a full rebuild again and crowds are getting worse and worse, it’s t would be nice for there to be some positive signs to come out of the club on the pitch not just off it
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I’ve heard one certain company have made their intentions clear about interest in the Club.
I also understand they don’t come anywhere near passing any sort of due diligence checks financially.
Selling to them could ultimately result in the demise of drfc as we know it.
A bit like scunny.
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Whilst I don't agree with the "protest" or the fundraiser I do have sympathy for the group of fans who have seen a decline in quality and ambition in recent years. We've moved from a 5 year plan to being a championship club to now one that is self sufficient and is probably an average L2 budget.
The club haven't helped themselves in communication and organization in recent years; propaganda about having strong budgets.
Poor spending and poor managerial appointments to horrendous scouting and recruitment.
What doesn't help matters are the people on this forum who insult fellow Rovers fans (and often base on age) in discriminatory manners.
The transfer window (although not closed yet) had people hoping for good recruiting (especially after losing Taylor for the season and Tomlin quitting) losing Knoyle our most improved player this season and best wing back (in a system that specializes in using wing backs) to an "ambitious" club has seen a reaction (in my view an over reaction).
The truth probably lies somewhere between the 2 fractions of our fans... But it appears there is little to no respect between those groups and that includes people on here.
RTID
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We'll see at the end of January won't we.
Tomlin's wage
Whatever Andrews wage we paid
Knoyle wage and fee
Substantial funds for January before any of this
2 weeks left. If we're sat with the same squad in 2 weeks then we've been fed bullshit again.
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Whilst I don't agree with the "protest" or the fundraiser I do have sympathy for the group of fans who have seen a decline in quality and ambition in recent years. We've moved from a 5 year plan to being a championship club to now one that is self sufficient and is probably an average L2 budget.
The club haven't helped themselves in communication and organization in recent years; propaganda about having strong budgets.
Poor spending and poor managerial appointments to horrendous scouting and recruitment.
What doesn't help matters are the people on this forum who insult fellow Rovers fans (and often base on age) in discriminatory manners.
The transfer window (although not closed yet) had people hoping for good recruiting (especially after losing Taylor for the season and Tomlin quitting) losing Knoyle our most improved player this season and best wing back (in a system that specializes in using wing backs) to an "ambitious" club has seen a reaction (in my view an over reaction).
The truth probably lies somewhere between the 2 fractions of our fans... But it appears there is little to no respect between those groups and that includes people on here.
RTID
A very fair and well balanced post, CR.
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I think it’s much less about the future of the club and much more about satisfying attention cravings on the part of those driving it. The outcome is likely to gain a bit of traction within a social media echo chamber and deliver on its aim of achieving a bit of infamy amongst a small group. There’ll be likes exchanging hands over the place, but will it actually do anything of any real note? Of course not. Let them get on with it, we were all kids once.
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I agree with the sentiment of the original post and have previously been vocal of my support for the board, the money they have invested over the years has been considerable. I’m ok with things as they are at the moment.
My expectations aren’t high, I’ve watched Rovers play more games in L2 (or it’s equivalent name at the time) than any other and often at the bottom end, but for those under 30ish they’ve probably not seen those struggles and only seen relative success over the past couple of decades, so I can understand why some may be frustrated.
Sustainability I’m ok with, but there are some things that do cause a little concern, at what expense are we sustainable and to continue to be sustainable does that mean a further reduction in expenditure?
IMO we should also stop talking about future plans, even with the greatest of intentions they rarely succeed, every club is trying to achieve the same goals, by having the 5 year plan/talk of promotion/not being in a relegation battle your setting yourself up for a fall, surely our aim is to finish in the highest position we can each season, leave it there.
My other concern are the comments from Knoyle on his departure around ambition, leading me to my final point, I’m not clear whether the board are looking for further investment or have any plans to sell imminently, but think they should provide clarity on this. It’d be interesting to see if anyone of serious intent would actually be interested in buying DRFC, I’m not sure, but if no interest, it might quieten down some of those who are ‘board out’.
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Can the board actually be sacked considering that they own the club ?
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Can the board actually be sacked considering that they own the club ?
No. If fans want change, the owners need to sell. I honestly don't believe anyone is seriously interested in buying Rovers though. Certainly not for the money the owners would be wanting.
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People are hanging on for a fantasy. The reality is that we don’t have and will never have crowds to support a prolonged Championship club. We got relegated from the Championship in 2012 after several seasons there spending way beyond our means. This was the chimera of “investment” that some people are calling for.
At best we are a Rotherham, Peterborough or Barnsley. The difference between us and them is not really money but rather them having a model and especially a recruitment model that gives them a regular shot at getting out of League One. We don’t.
People calling for change need to get away from asking for more money and start asking for a better model. There is no billionaire behind Rotherham, Barnsley and Peterborough.
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For the rest of my life, and I’m 53, if rovers continue as a lge 1/ 2 club, then I’m ok with that.
I’ve enjoyed some very good times in both leagues. And the flirt in the championship was nice, but after the novelty wore off , it’s just footy at the end of the day.
As long as there is a club for my youngest son to enjoy throughout his life also, and his kids after that, and he is 25, then all will be good.
I’d love to own a Porsche, but I’m very happy with my Vw up. It’s get me where I want, it’s quite nice to drive and is reliable. I see footy the same way.
If I had a Porsche, I’d be worried about it getting damaged and they are bloody expensive to run.
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The problem is if we spent and somehow got back in the championship would that be enough for our Football Manager lot - would they be happy with the Prem or would it need to be Champions League.
Besides which as soon as we lost a game or played badly they’d stop going and demand a new manager
Maybe they’d be better watching Doncaster City
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I don’t think in all reality we are going to be an established Championship side, without some huge external investment. What we should be aiming for is an established top half League One side. That’s achievable and the third tier is a decent level, especially at the top, where often there are some very big clubs in the mix. That feels realistic and achievable if we get our act together, recruit consistently well and stop appointing the wrong people as manager. All this can be done on our existing budget.
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I don’t think in all reality we are going to be an established Championship side, without some huge external investment. What we should be aiming for is an established top half League One side. That’s achievable and the third tier is a decent level, especially at the top, where often there are some very big clubs in the mix. That feels realistic and achievable if we get our act together, recruit consistently well and stop appointing the wrong people as manager. All this can be done on our existing budget.
How do we avoid appointing the wrong people as manager? It’s a lottery, look at Mark Hughes at Bradford, big name managed bigger clubs but pulling no tree’s up there
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While I won't be partaking in any protest we do seem to be dribbling into irrelevance under the ideology of sustaining our own existence.
The recent New Year's statement from the club was very surprising (or maybe not). It seemingly confirmed TB has abandoned any notion of putting money into the club other than to sort out 'cash flow' problems. Sustainability in terms of increasing the commercial revenues of the club is commendable and we've made improvements. Sustainability in terms of not investing in the club is not a recipe for a successful football/rugby club.
The one saving grace has been at least some new thinking in terms of the football strategy. Young players, DS is better than his predecessor, HoF: all of this will of course take time which I am willing to give, but things like losing one of your best performers this year and replacing them with an untried youth player, well, its not a good sign is it. It's these marginal sideways steps that seem to be a symptom of our position and the cause of our resulting downfall.
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Whilst it’s good that the club is self sustainable it won’t be long before the crowds start getting that low that it is not sustainable. Us older folks won’t be around forever and the younger ones will find such as Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds and Sheffield united a lot more attractive to go and watch so we have to be careful what ever the club decides to do. Saying all that everybody knows that being a football owner will never make you money and it is more of a hobby than a business. But you still need passion to come out from the top and since John Ryan left there as been none, plenty of words but no actual drive. For me until we have such as a regular reserve side and better recruitment nothing will change but you have to have the right people in to drive club forward.
People say nobody will buy the club but how do you know this until the waters have been tested?.
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Whilst it’s good that the club is self sustainable it won’t be long before the crowds start getting that low that it is not sustainable. Us older folks won’t be around forever and the younger ones will find such as Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds and Sheffield united a lot more attractive to go and watch so we have to be careful what ever the club decides to do. Saying all that everybody knows that being a football owner will never make you money and it is more of a hobby than a business. But you still need passion to come out from the top and since John Ryan left there as been none, plenty of words but no actual drive. For me until we have such as a regular reserve side and better recruitment nothing will change but you have to have the right people in to drive club forward.
People say nobody will buy the club but how do you know this until the waters have been tested?.
School will be like how it used to when I went the way we are going. Literally nobody supported Rovers in the 90s. For about 10 years from our rise out the conference. Parks were dominated by Rovers shirts. Now it's Leeds Liverpool etc. Might also be the last few years of terrible shirts too.
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I thought when I saw the posts headline, it was fans bucket collecting for a new signing. That would have been more constructive than nicking your old mams sheets, to protest against the Three AB’s, messrs Bramhall, Baldwin and Blunt.
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But you don't get your photo all over social media holding a bucket...
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The fans that are protesting at least still care. It's the ones that now have stopped caring that should be a concern.
The feeling is low. Low on ambition, low on effort, low on communication and low on squad strength and low on morale (in the stands at least).
Things need to improve. If they don't people will stop caring.
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There were 300 odd at Orient who still cared.
No booing.
No slating of players.
No shouts of sack the board.
I believe we are talking about a minority here. A loud minority, but a minority non the less.
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There were 300 odd at Orient who still cared.
No booing.
No slating of players.
No shouts of sack the board.
I believe we are talking about a minority here. A loud minority, but a minority non the less.
But what about the silent minority (excuse the name Martin) are we going to see people just give up based on the transfer window and the previous 4 or 5 (or) can we still hold hope for improvements in the playing squad. Without a good couple of weeks I do fear for our long-term ambition.
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But we can’t judge a transfer window only half way through it surely
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Interesting, not many prepared to put their names to a donation, a lot mis representing others by putting false names in, so very few are prepared to identify themselves
It would get more support if it was a “For Sale” sign !!
Yes it could go outside (the old joke) large Terraced property for Sale
Complete with 5000 square yards of enclosed Grazing land and of great quality
Owner selling due to lack of interest
Apply Belle Vue , Doncaster.
To paraphrase what so many say in posts above "if you think THIS is bad you should have been about when it was immesurably bad"
I don't think it's great at the moment but look at (effectively) Leagues 5 and 6 at the number of EX Football League Clubs languishing down there with their hard luck stories , their mismanagement stories and their god given right to be in the EFL stances
That's at least 26 and I have no desire to swap places with any of them thanks v much
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Maybe the organisers can club together with Portsmouth fans
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These so called supporters would soon fizzle into the quiet corner if and when rovers start playing better.
And if promoted, they would disappear altogether.
Probably like the iPhones they carry around, they always want the next best thing.
And whilst wanting better is not such a bad thing, it is if you are overstretching yourself into areas you can’t afford.
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£474 raised by 50 people, that's what I call cheap skates trying to save the world on less than a tenner each contributions, not even the price of two pints, god save the club if they take over, they cant even raise enough to fund cheap skate rovers in the junior league and they want to make a noise, bugger off, you'd get more sat in a shop door way with a dog.
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These so called supporters would soon fizzle into the quiet corner if and when rovers start playing better.
And if promoted, they would disappear altogether.
Probably like the iPhones they carry around, they always want the next best thing.
And whilst wanting better is not such a bad thing, it is if you are overstretching yourself into areas you can’t afford.
Isn't "playing better football and getting promoted" what we all want? In general today's youngsters are part of the "I want it and I want now" generation. I am sure if the club appeared to be showing a bit more ambition they would soon calm down.
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£474 raised by 50 people, that's what I call cheap skates trying to save the world on less than a tenner each contributions, not even the price of two pints, god save the club if they take over, they cant even raise enough to fund cheap skate rovers in the junior league and they want to make a noise, bugger off, you'd get more sat in a shop door way with a dog.
Worse than that one gobsh*te put £100 in