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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: normal rules on January 17, 2023, 08:29:46 pm
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Never heard of this word till today. Brexit/ regret. Bregret. Could this happen? Will it happen?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwistdbGuM_8AhWLI8AKHew2B0oQFnoECA0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trtworld.com%2Fopinion%2Fbrexit-to-bregret-why-britain-might-make-a-u-turn-on-eu-ties-64577&usg=AOvVaw1E09M_7SZPGdeY41xXrPiW
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Of course it will happen. Just a question of when.
I'd say it needs the polls to be 65:35 before it's the right time to turn things around.
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Those denying the damage brexit is doing to the UK economy and the fabric of UK society are sounding trump like as their arguments are nonsense.
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I won’t deny that the uk has been financially hampered since brexit.
I voted for change. I didn’t vote for no change.
My question is, will it be reversed. Can it?
Will a labour govt preside over such a switch?
Would the conservatives dare even talk about it?
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I won’t deny that the uk has been financially hampered since brexit.
I voted for change. I didn’t vote for no change.
My question is, will it be reversed. Can it?
Will a labour govt preside over such a switch?
Would the conservatives dare even talk about it?
It can't be reversed until a large portion of those still in denial change their minds and that changes the political landscape.
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I won’t deny that the uk has been financially hampered since brexit.
I voted for change. I didn’t vote for no change.
My question is, will it be reversed. Can it?
Will a labour govt preside over such a switch?
Would the conservatives dare even talk about it?
Yes. Yes.
Dunno, but it won't be the next one (in the next 5 years).
Yes. But not until they have become a proper political party representing the UK again rather than the political arm of the billionaire tax evader pressure groups from 55 Tufton Street (dont see any chance of that).
I have said several times before that we wont become formal members of the EU anytime soon. Why would they accept us knowing that any future government could reverse it - than have to go through another Brexit? It's just not going to happen. Closer 'soft Brexit' SM & CU membership maybe - or something similar.
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Fascinating watching this. It's truly Orwellian Doublespeak.
https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1642431201678962691?s=20
There are always going to be problems at certain times, but its not the fault of Brexit.
There are problems at Dover. There have always been problems at Dover. This is not due to Brexit.
Be patient while the ferry companies work through the backlog.
It's the fault of the ferry companies. It has always been the fault of the ferry companies.
That woman scares me more than anyone else in British politics.
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It may be reversed if and when we get PR and moderation breaks out
It's a wonder the Govt haven't passed a Law demanding Referendums have to provide at least a 66% Majority (of those Voting) to overturn a current position
I.e we voted to leave and 66% would be needed to let us re-enter
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A lot of doubt about the Euro and finances, we are better off out of it, to coin the old Song " There could be trouble ahead" ignore it at your peril for a while.
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A lot of doubt about the Euro and finances, we are better off out of it, to coin the old Song " There could be trouble ahead" ignore it at your peril for a while.
Aye. Mike Graham speaks.
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I'm sure it was Emily Thornberry who, when asked several months ago, said the only way back in to EU would include acceptance of Euro as a condition of rejoining so in her opinion no chance
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This weeks developments on brexit ..............
Badenoch doesn't want to talk about it, I can see the government's next move is for a 'D Notice' to be issued.
Total fudge at dover from braveman.
''Back-to-work schemes in England previously funded by EU forced to close''
''Back-to-work schemes across England previously paid for by the EU are being forced to close and lay off staff, despite a last-minute rule change by the government aimed at allowing councils to fund them.
Michael Gove’s Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities (DLUHC) wrote to local authorities last week giving them the green light to spend their shared prosperity fund (SPF) allocations on job schemes, from April''
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/26/back-to-work-schemes-england-previously-funded-eu-forced-close
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A lot of doubt about the Euro and finances, we are better off out of it, to coin the old Song " There could be trouble ahead" ignore it at your peril for a while.
Selby, did you take up the Turkish citizenship option back when you 'invested' in your time share?
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Syd I have never shared property with anyone unless they paid me to rent what I own. As a matter of fact the one in Turkey was a great deal bought at the bottom and sold at the top twenty years later, started off with neighbours from Germany and Holland and ended up with Russians all over the place, and yes sold to a Russian who paid in dollars no questions asked, another lucky move, thanks for the good memories.
How's the bush fires near you looking this year? have the neighbours got away yet?
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So you didn't take up citizenship then selby?
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Neither of the major parties want to reverse it indeed labour don't seem to want to change much if anything at all Brexit related.
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But you would understand why in this political climate pud?
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Neither of the major parties want to reverse it indeed labour don't seem to want to change much if anything at all Brexit related.
Labour very much, as a matter of principle, would like to reverse it.
The issue is one of practicality. Brexit WILL be reversed, but only once enough people have taken on board the scale of the damage it has done.
And I don't just mean a sliver of a majority of people. I mean 70+%, so the issue can properly be put to bed.
That's not going to happen this side of the 2030s at the earliest. Because there are still too many people in the Brexit Death Cult who simply refuse to see facts.
Public opinion IS changing. And in maybe 10-15 years time there'll be an angry groundswell of opinion demanding politicians reverse the self-inflicted damage.
But that's for the future.
Meantime, what possible advantage to the country or the party could Labour gain by campaigning to reverse Brexit now?
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Lib Dems might put rejoin on their 2024 manifesto still
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Hope they do and get rid of some horrendous Politicians. I don't know any of them personally but Raab Coffey Braverman Patel Jenrick Clarke , the list is endless
Then Labour Lib Dems might have to share power and eventually they will come to agreement on PR as a pathway to the 70% talked about above.
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Hope they do and get rid of some horrendous Politicians. I don't know any of them personally but Raab Coffey Braverman Patel Jenrick Clarke , the list is endless
Then Labour Lib Dems might have to share power and eventually they will come to agreement on PR as a pathway to the 70% talked about above.
Wolfie, if ever Labour gets into bed with that bunch of unprincipled, reneging, career obsessed snake oil salesmen, then they don't deserve to ever be in power again.
However, I don't think they'll need to. They should easily win with a majority next year.
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Neither of the major parties want to reverse it indeed labour don't seem to want to change much if anything at all Brexit related.
Labour very much, as a matter of principle, would like to reverse it.
The issue is one of practicality. Brexit WILL be reversed, but only once enough people have taken on board the scale of the damage it has done.
And I don't just mean a sliver of a majority of people. I mean 70+%, so the issue can properly be put to bed.
That's not going to happen this side of the 2030s at the earliest. Because there are still too many people in the Brexit Death Cult who simply refuse to see facts.
Public opinion IS changing. And in maybe 10-15 years time there'll be an angry groundswell of opinion demanding politicians reverse the self-inflicted damage.
But that's for the future.
Meantime, what possible advantage to the country or the party could Labour gain by campaigning to reverse Brexit now?
You can't reverse it though, the idea you can just switch back is nonsensical particularly as inevitably more and more things diverge.
Unless there is a drastic change of thinking in the EU I don't see the UK rejoining for some time yet, but granted it may happen one day.
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The UK would re-join as any other nation would/will join the EU through a process of meeting certain requirements .........
''These conditions are known as the 'Copenhagen criteria' and include a stable democracy and the rule of law, a functioning market economy and the acceptance of all EU legislation, including of the euro''
And as I have said previously the majority of those that voted for brexit will be dead before any gains materialise so they themselves won't have to eat shit.
https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/joining-eu_en#:~:text=Joining%20the%20EU,-Becoming%20a%20member&text=These%20conditions%20are%20known%20as,legislation%2C%20including%20of%20the%20euro.
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And there is the reason why it's so unlikely. It's a very hard sell to throw in the euro, loss of control on things like interest rates and economic policy plus rejoining isn't going to come with the same rights as the past with vetos etc. It's a very different outlook.
A more sensible approach is redefining certain agreements as time progresses.
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From #22 above :
And as I have said previously the majority of those that voted for brexit will be dead before any gains materialise so they themselves won't have to eat shit.
True , and unfortunately a lot of people who voted against leaving , will have died too wondering why they personally have endured a holistic s**t show with still not ONE obvious benefit arising
Politicians justifying it , often suppressing smiles as they lie about it's benefits and future benefits
A long long way down the track we as a Nation will look back through history and wonder wtf we collectively were thinking
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Braverman: 'The delays at Dover have nothing to do with Brexit.'
The Chief Exec of the Port of Dover: 'The delays are absolutely because of Brexit.'
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And there is the reason why it's so unlikely. It's a very hard sell to throw in the euro, loss of control on things like interest rates and economic policy plus rejoining isn't going to come with the same rights as the past with vetos etc. It's a very different outlook.
A more sensible approach is redefining certain agreements as time progresses.
All this would have been known beforehand by those voting for brexit, as no-one has put their hand up admitting they were duped (maybe I missed that) the shit-show that is now playing out would have been totally expected, right? plus the Euro bit to join again.
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And there is the reason why it's so unlikely. It's a very hard sell to throw in the euro, loss of control on things like interest rates and economic policy plus rejoining isn't going to come with the same rights as the past with vetos etc. It's a very different outlook.
A more sensible approach is redefining certain agreements as time progresses.
All this would have been known beforehand by those voting for brexit, as no-one has put their hand up admitting they were duped (maybe I missed that) the shit-show that is now playing out would have been totally expected, right? plus the Euro bit to join again.
Here you go Syd.
I find it hard to believe you missed this as it was in your bible:
From the Guardian. Sunday 5th February:
An article by William Keegan.
“It is hard to admit being wrong. But Brexit voters are doing so in droves
Having been grossly misled in the referendum, Britons’ anger is mounting as the reality of our plight becomes clear.
I quote this in the context of recent developments in regard to Brexit. The majority of respondents to recent surveys now believe the nation was wrong to vote for Brexit, and a tidy majority would like to rejoin the European Union. Admitting one is wrong is not a natural inclination; but in the case of Brexit many leavers have the reasonable excuse that they were woefully misled by a gang of lying charlatans.”
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I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.
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I go out for a drink once a month with a gang of old blokes like me. ALL of them voted for Brexit, except me.
ALL of them said they were sick of all the Poles and the like taking over.
They wouldn't listen to any counter argument.
Don't tell me immigration wasn't the Number 1 reason, look at the vote in Boston, though they ALL deny it now.
Nobody like that looked any further than the end of their nose, so YES I'll call em out for the idiots they were on this issue.
The immigration thing alone swung the vote for Brexit, and if you believe owt else then you're kidding yersen.
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Tommy Toes have a walk around Hexthorpe, East Dene in Rotherham and Popplewell street in Sheffield and tell me what you think about the EEC, we have become a safe refuge for all of their unwanted Roma travellers.
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Thanks for clarifying my point, Tommy.
I wouldn’t choose to drink with the bigots that you do.
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I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.
Hope you're not tarring all the 'bitter' remainers with the 'ignorant brush' there belton
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Not at all, Sydney. Just the ignorant ones.
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
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The change I wanted was that those running the country would get a huge kick up the arse that would result in them serving, and respecting, the people of Britain better than they have done for most of my lifetime.
No, I didn’t get what I wanted.
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I go out for a drink once a month with a gang of old blokes like me. ALL of them voted for Brexit, except me.
ALL of them said they were sick of all the Poles and the like taking over.
They wouldn't listen to any counter argument.
Don't tell me immigration wasn't the Number 1 reason, look at the vote in Boston, though they ALL deny it now.
Nobody like that looked any further than the end of their nose, so YES I'll call em out for the idiots they were on this issue.
The immigration thing alone swung the vote for Brexit, and if you believe owt else then you're kidding yersen.
I am sure anecdotally that I can confirm that. Nobody hid the reasons they Voted leave in Boston . They actively said they wanted rid of the EU workers
Same in Wisbech where they had the same problem(s).
However in Thorne S Yorks people were railing against the Doctors having no Appointments , the Classrooms being overstuffed with kids , those Kids being held back because the EU kids had to mostly be taught English before they could be taught Geography or History or Maths
Quite a few people I know openly say those reasons and a few others prompted their Vote to Leave but lots of others of my age voted to leave but are not as honest and hide behind " vague reasons"
I'll come to your Meet ups TT .. 2 v 12 is a better ratio for you . I personally think we have lost massively on all counts and have yet to identify one single solitary benefit of Leaving.
PS I don't count a Blue Passport which is produced with "ingredients" sourced in the EU but which makes me stop at every EU Border now to have it stamped instead of me getting nodded through and which also severely restricts my movement in the EU and restricts my stay there to just 90 days in every 180 days
We shot ourselves in the foot massively. That's my affirmed view so feel free to slag me ridicule me say I'm wrong but I will never change my mind
I'm just sad that I'm probably too old to see us back in the EU but will have to eat all the s**t that has been dished out since the day we voted Leave
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The change I wanted was that those running the country would get a huge kick up the arse that would result in them serving, and respecting, the people of Britain better than they have done for most of my lifetime.
No, I didn’t get what I wanted.
I guess the tories would have been in power for most of your lifetime and this was their referendum to dig themselves out of a hole.
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True on both counts, Sydney. I wish I could put my faith in the next Labour government doing a better job, but I have little left in politicians representing me and my country.
There is no doubt that Brexit is a failure, but Britain was failing long before that (including Labour governments).
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
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I go out for a drink once a month with a gang of old blokes like me. ALL of them voted for Brexit, except me.
ALL of them said they were sick of all the Poles and the like taking over.
They wouldn't listen to any counter argument.
Don't tell me immigration wasn't the Number 1 reason, look at the vote in Boston, though they ALL deny it now.
Nobody like that looked any further than the end of their nose, so YES I'll call em out for the idiots they were on this issue.
The immigration thing alone swung the vote for Brexit, and if you believe owt else then you're kidding yersen.
I am sure anecdotally that I can confirm that. Nobody hid the reasons they Voted leave in Boston . They actively said they wanted rid of the EU workers
Same in Wisbech where they had the same problem(s).
However in Thorne S Yorks people were railing against the Doctors having no Appointments , the Classrooms being overstuffed with kids , those Kids being held back because the EU kids had to mostly be taught English before they could be taught Geography or History or Maths
Quite a few people I know openly say those reasons and a few others prompted their Vote to Leave but lots of others of my age voted to leave but are not as honest and hide behind " vague reasons"
I'll come to your Meet ups TT .. 2 v 12 is a better ratio for you . I personally think we have lost massively on all counts and have yet to identify one single solitary benefit of Leaving.
PS I don't count a Blue Passport which is produced with "ingredients" sourced in the EU but which makes me stop at every EU Border now to have it stamped instead of me getting nodded through and which also severely restricts my movement in the EU and restricts my stay there to just 90 days in every 180 days
We shot ourselves in the foot massively. That's my affirmed view so feel free to slag me ridicule me say I'm wrong but I will never change my mind
I'm just sad that I'm probably too old to see us back in the EU but will have to eat all the s**t that has been dished out since the day we voted Leave
As you know Wolfie, not a bad bunch of blokes but they suffer from old age intolerance that seems to affect people our age.
Good job you and me are alight lol.
I think the next one is a week tomorrow.
Edit
I'm off to Tenerife with some of them in 3 weeks. Me and Mrs T have to take separate hols due our son, so decided to go. Will miss JB though. Tom and G are going so should be OK.
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True on both counts, Sydney. I wish I could put my faith in the next Labour government doing a better job, but I have little left in politicians representing me and my country.
There is no doubt that Brexit is a failure, but Britain was failing long before that (including Labour governments).
Thanks for an honest answer, the real answer is of course is to get involved to help shape how things are but I understand not everyone can or wants to do that.
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
In spades
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I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.
How strange, that aptly describes an awful lot of leave voters I know personally, and I know quite a lot!
The ONLY way you can change what happens in the EU is from within, not from without.
By the way, I'm not bitter, but I pity the fools who voted to shoot themselves, their families, their grandchildren in the foot. History will not be kind to them, and it will be future generations who will be bitter about it.
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I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.
How strange, that aptly describes an awful lot of leave voters I know personally, and I know quite a lot!
The ONLY way you can change what happens in the EU is from within, not from without.
By the way, I'm not bitter, but I pity the fools who voted to shoot themselves, their families, their grandchildren in the foot. History will not be kind to them, and it will be future generations who will be bitter about it.
The bloke doth protest too much, methinks.
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I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.
How strange, that aptly describes an awful lot of leave voters I know personally, and I know quite a lot!
The ONLY way you can change what happens in the EU is from within, not from without.
By the way, I'm not bitter, but I pity the fools who voted to shoot themselves, their families, their grandchildren in the foot. History will not be kind to them, and it will be future generations who will be bitter about it.
Here lies the problem, Not. I too know lots of people who voted for the reasons you have highlighted in bold. However, I also know lots of people who voted to leave for the same reasons I did. I am surprised that you either don’t know any leave voters who are not the type you’ve highlighted, or if you do, that you choose to ignore them.
Your suggestion that future generations will be bitter towards leave voters is, with respect, nonsense, and smacks of bitterness on your behalf, despite your assurances that you are not.
I have little doubt that there will be a future vote to join or stay out of the EU, possibly in my lifetime. In the meantime, Britain will continue to be - the only determiner of whether that period is a successful one or not depends on us having a competent government. I don’t regret my vote because at the time I hoped it would be the catalyst for change in terms of how the government treat its people. I expected the remain vote to win by a small margin, and was as shocked as anyone when it didn’t. Having said that, I don’t think there should have been a vote in the first place because it went ahead for all the wrong reasons - another example of politicians playing games and treating the British public with disdain (on both sides).
But we did have a vote and Leave did win. I am aware of certain groups and individuals who have directly been affected negatively by Brexit, but on the whole, little has changed simply because of Brexit. I can’t think of a single thing regarding how my day to day life is affected so terribly because we are no longer in the EU. Yes, I think the country is in a mess, but it was so long before Brexit, and long before the tories were in power.
I honestly believe that if we rejoined the EU tomorrow, nothing would change in terms of the reality of life in Britain right now. The only way that will improve, is by having a competent government, whether that be left or right, or whether we are in The EU or not.
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I voted for change too. Until leave voters stop being tarred with the same, ignorant brush by bitter ‘remainers’ they are immigrant hating, NHS side-of-bus believing members of Brexit death cults, very little will change whether it’s the right thing to do or not.
How strange, that aptly describes an awful lot of leave voters I know personally, and I know quite a lot!
The ONLY way you can change what happens in the EU is from within, not from without.
By the way, I'm not bitter, but I pity the fools who voted to shoot themselves, their families, their grandchildren in the foot. History will not be kind to them, and it will be future generations who will be bitter about it.
Here lies the problem, Not. I too know lots of people who voted for the reasons you have highlighted in bold. However, I also know lots of people who voted to leave for the same reasons I did. I am surprised that you either don’t know any leave voters who are not the type you’ve highlighted, or if you do, that you choose to ignore them.
The reason you gave above was that you wanted "change", yet you could have had no idea whatsoever what the "change" would look like as that wasn't specified anywhere; and was most certainly not on the ballot paper.
I do know people who voted leave for reasons, they claim, other than those above. Indeed, a great friend of mine said he did it "for his grandchildren", though when pressed couldn't explain further - draw your own conclusion.
Your suggestion that future generations will be bitter towards leave voters is, with respect, nonsense, and smacks of bitterness on your behalf, despite your assurances that you are not.
I'm afraid you're wrong there. I know several young people - who were too young to vote in the referendum - who are greatly annoyed that they no longer have the automatic right to attend universities and to work anywhere in the EU. I believe time will strengthen this view amongst the young.
I have little doubt that there will be a future vote to join or stay out of the EU, possibly in my lifetime. In the meantime, Britain will continue to be - the only determiner of whether that period is a successful one or not depends on us having a competent government. I don’t regret my vote because at the time I hoped it would be the catalyst for change in terms of how the government treat its people. I expected the remain vote to win by a small margin, and was as shocked as anyone when it didn’t. Having said that, I don’t think there should have been a vote in the first place because it went ahead for all the wrong reasons - another example of politicians playing games and treating the British public with disdain (on both sides).
History has shown that governments, of both persuasions, have treated the general public with disdain. Serious question, given that history, and particularly recent history, why did you think that would change by leaving the EU?
But we did have a vote and Leave did win. I am aware of certain groups and individuals who have directly been affected negatively by Brexit, but on the whole, little has changed simply because of Brexit. I can’t think of a single thing regarding how my day to day life is affected so terribly because we are no longer in the EU. Yes, I think the country is in a mess, but it was so long before Brexit, and long before the tories were in power.
Little has changed for you, and certainly very little has changed for me other than a few slight inconveniences, but the same can't be said for the less well off. Many price increases are down to Brent, and Brexit alone. The right wing media might have you believe otherwise, but they clearly have an agenda - as they did in promoting Brexit. Then, of course, there's river pollution which would be in contravention of EU rules had we remained. And don't forget this government's efforts in eroding people's and workers rights, many, again, outwith EU rules.
I honestly believe that if we rejoined the EU tomorrow, nothing would change in terms of the reality of life in Britain right now. The only way that will improve, is by having a competent government, whether that be left or right, or whether we are in The EU or not.
Oh things would certainly change. Do you seriously think that we'd get the same hard won deals we had before we left?
Meanwhile, we're still waiting for any of those considerable upsides we were promised.
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On the topic of Boston . It’s worth pointing out that in 2015 it ranked as the most murderous place in England. 2 murders and eight attempts in the 12 months up to sep15. That’s 15 murderous crimes per 100000 people . Putting it above London and manchester. And I can say with some confidence that they were all foreign nationals killing each other or trying to. The people of Boston were scared by this . And rightly so .
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Not. You assume I am well off. Perhaps you shouldn’t.
You say many price increases are down to Brexit alone. ‘Many’ is not a statistic but it looks good in an argument. It’s too easy to blame Brexit for all your woes.
I’ve already said that I believe that Brexit is a failure and that it should never have gone to a vote, but you’re wrong to blame it for just about everything that is wrong at the moment in this country. Very wrong.
As for change, forgive me for not making it clear, but the ‘change’ I voted for wasn’t for Britain to change from being in the EU to being out of it. It was change in terms of governments (plural; past, present and future) becoming in touch with the British public and serving them at least adequately. Rich, poor and anywhere in between.
Naive of me? Absolutely
Futile? Most certainly.
The vote could have been about absolutely anything.
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But one can blame brexit where those that should know have?
By the end of 2021, Brexit had already cost ...............
https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2022/l-December-22/By-the-end-of-2021-Brexit-had-already-cost-UK-households-a-total-of-5.8-billion-in-higher-food-bills-%E2%80%93-new-LSE-research#:~:text=News-,By%20the%20end%20of%202021%2C%20Brexit%20had%20already%20cost%20UK,food%20bills%20%E2%80%93%20new%20LSE%20research&text=The%20UK%20inflation%20rate%20rose,highest%20rate%20in%2040%20years.
And unfortunately racism played a part in brexit, otherwise why was farage so popular with many?
this is a general comment, not aimed at anyone in particular.
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gosh, there is an abundance of information out there ........
Feb 13/2023
''Brexit Cost UK £1,000 Per Household, Says Bank Of England Economist. Jonathan Haskel says investment was "stopped in its tracks" after the referendum. Brexit caused investment in UK businesses to plateau and delivered a productivity penalty worth £1,000 per household, a Bank of England policymaker has said''
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-cost-uk-ps1000-per-household-says-bank-of-england-economist_uk_63ea5508e4b0063ccb27b19c#:~:text=cost%20of%20living-,Brexit%20Cost%20UK%20%C2%A31%2C000%20Per%20Household%2C%20Says%20Bank%20Of,its%20tracks%22%20after%20the%20referendum.&text=Brexit%20caused%20investment%20in%20UK,of%20England%20policymaker%20has%20said.
Costs being touted are approx 6% added to food bills
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.
And this is meant to concern me?
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not at all, you make your position quite plain
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Bregrets, I've had a few.
But then again too few to mention.
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.
And this is meant to concern me?
Do you have children/grandchildren?
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.
And this is meant to concern me?
Do you have children/grandchildren?
Or the expectation of drawing a pension?
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.
And this is meant to concern me?
Do you have children/grandchildren?
Non of your business, go back to crying about the EU
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.
And this is meant to concern me?
Do you have children/grandchildren?
Or the expectation of drawing a pension?
Doubt I'll live long enough
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.
And this is meant to concern me?
Do you have children/grandchildren?
Non of your business, go back to crying about the EU
But if you do have children/grandchildren then it will be THEIR business; and I can't see them thanking you for taking away the great opportunities being in the EU offered them. Nor can I see other people's children/grandchildren being grateful either.
As for crying about the EU, grow up man!
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.
And this is meant to concern me?
Do you have children/grandchildren?
Non of your business, go back to crying about the EU
But if you do have children/grandchildren then it will be THEIR business; and I can't see them thanking you for taking away the great opportunities being in the EU offered them. Nor can I see other people's children/grandchildren being grateful either.
As for crying about the EU, grow up man!
You are so wrong about this, Not. You are obviously very bitter about it, and I suppose that bitterness may rub off on your own children and grandchildren (although that won’t be the case for future generations of most remainers).
The idea that my grandchildren will be ungrateful, unthankful or have any other kind of personal dissatisfaction with me, for voting leave, is beyond belief. Nor will I have any problems with other people’s grandchildren.
Except, perhaps, yours.
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.
And this is meant to concern me?
Do you have children/grandchildren?
Non of your business, go back to crying about the EU
But if you do have children/grandchildren then it will be THEIR business; and I can't see them thanking you for taking away the great opportunities being in the EU offered them. Nor can I see other people's children/grandchildren being grateful either.
As for crying about the EU, grow up man!
You are so wrong about this, Not. You are obviously very bitter about it, and I suppose that bitterness may rub off on your own children and grandchildren (although that won’t be the case for future generations of most remainers).
The idea that my grandchildren will be ungrateful, unthankful or have any other kind of personal dissatisfaction with me, for voting leave, is beyond belief. Nor will I have any problems with other people’s grandchildren.
Except, perhaps, yours.
Seems you're the one who sounds bitter. But you may be right, maybe future generations will be grateful for the way you voted
(https://i.imgur.com/mYUCEfy.jpg)
Still genuinely waiting for someone to post a tangible benefit..........
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You'll have a long wait Kato, because there are none other than the satisfaction of having that winning feeling.
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Next question, what was the change you wanted and did you get it?
I didn’t want to be part of a European superstate, so far so good.
And future generations will be poorer for it with joint scientific studies now not going ahead and things such as EASA having to be managed separately in the UK. This means lack of opportunity and added costs to the economy.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/the-agency/faqs/brexit#:~:text=From%20January%201%2C%202021%2C%20EASA,smooth%20transfer%20of%20ongoing%20files.
And this is meant to concern me?
Do you have children/grandchildren?
Non of your business, go back to crying about the EU
But if you do have children/grandchildren then it will be THEIR business; and I can't see them thanking you for taking away the great opportunities being in the EU offered them. Nor can I see other people's children/grandchildren being grateful either.
As for crying about the EU, grow up man!
You are so wrong about this, Not. You are obviously very bitter about it, and I suppose that bitterness may rub off on your own children and grandchildren (although that won’t be the case for future generations of most remainers).
The idea that my grandchildren will be ungrateful, unthankful or have any other kind of personal dissatisfaction with me, for voting leave, is beyond belief. Nor will I have any problems with other people’s grandchildren.
Except, perhaps, yours.
Seems you're the one who sounds bitter. But you may be right, maybe future generations will be grateful for the way you voted
(https://i.imgur.com/mYUCEfy.jpg)
Still genuinely waiting for someone to post a tangible benefit..........
And you’re telling others to grow up.