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Title: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: Ldr on January 20, 2023, 01:54:07 pm
Paraphrasing the author

https://unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: ncRover on January 20, 2023, 08:47:58 pm
A brilliant read and hard to argue with any of it.

She is outcast by the Labour front bench but represents the majority of the public opinion.

https://twitter.com/goodwinmj/status/1616193053806428163?s=46&t=qTd69bQhvEPVVYGr7hpKxQ

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/philosophy/trackers/support-for-separate-toilets-for-men-and-women-and-gender-neutral-toilets-in-public-spaces

Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 20, 2023, 11:30:16 pm
Christ. Matt Goodwin and his push polling.
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: MachoMadness on January 21, 2023, 12:11:07 pm
Bizarre how entirely manufactured this issue is. Complete culture war nonsense. Trans people make up less than 1% of the population, have existed as long as humans have without real issue, and all this legislation does is make their paperwork a bit easier when getting married, dying, or drawing a pension. It's a very minor piece of legislation that only affects a vanishingly small number of people.

Duffield will know all this, of course. She's likely to lose her seat and is after a good "wahhh! I've been cancelled!" grift. Shouldn't be anywhere near the Labour party but Starmer is too cowardly to take a stand on it.

All it takes is reheating a few homophobic arguments from the 80s and it's whipped people up into a frenzy. To show you how far and how fast this issue has been weaponised, in 2016 gender self id was Tory party policy under Theresa May.
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 21, 2023, 12:23:58 pm
Duffield won't lose at the next election. Partly because she knows her constituency and she knows her best shot is to take a reactionary stance on issues like this, and distance herself from the more socially liberal left.

This whole thing has served her purposes.
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: drfchound on January 21, 2023, 01:37:32 pm
Isn’t it odd that polling is acceptable when it comes out in favour of what people want the results to show.
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: Ldr on January 22, 2023, 02:17:37 pm
It is striking, the absence of comment on this particular matter from certain regular contributors on this forum.
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: wilts rover on January 22, 2023, 04:56:27 pm
It is striking, the absence of comment on this particular matter from certain regular contributors on this forum.

It is. Maybe they don't like Tory contributors attempting to use trans issues as a culture war - as the only (Tory) trans MP accused them of doing?

Who know, but's just as striking as the abscene of comment from certain regular contributors on Tory politicians corruption and lies on other threads? Funny old world.

It's not me that's intolerant - it's everybody else btw.
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: ncRover on January 22, 2023, 05:07:00 pm
Off topic is getting a bit childish. People shouldn’t be expected to comment on everything just for the sake of signalling their opinion.
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: Ldr on January 22, 2023, 06:01:39 pm
It is striking, the absence of comment on this particular matter from certain regular contributors on this forum.

It is. Maybe they don't like Tory contributors attempting to use trans issues as a culture war - as the only (Tory) trans MP accused them of doing?

Who know, but's just as striking as the abscene of comment from certain regular contributors on Tory politicians corruption and lies on other threads? Funny old world.

It's not me that's intolerant - it's everybody else btw.

Oh dear, someone doesn’t get satire…….
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: wilts rover on January 22, 2023, 06:21:02 pm
It is striking, the absence of comment on this particular matter from certain regular contributors on this forum.

It is. Maybe they don't like Tory contributors attempting to use trans issues as a culture war - as the only (Tory) trans MP accused them of doing?

Who know, but's just as striking as the abscene of comment from certain regular contributors on Tory politicians corruption and lies on other threads? Funny old world.

It's not me that's intolerant - it's everybody else btw.

Oh dear, someone doesn’t get satire…….

What's funny about this thread? Or what sort of person thinks attacking trans people and women being shouted at in Parliament is 'satire'?
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: Ldr on January 22, 2023, 06:45:37 pm
It is striking, the absence of comment on this particular matter from certain regular contributors on this forum.

It is. Maybe they don't like Tory contributors attempting to use trans issues as a culture war - as the only (Tory) trans MP accused them of doing?

Who know, but's just as striking as the abscene of comment from certain regular contributors on Tory politicians corruption and lies on other threads? Funny old world.

It's not me that's intolerant - it's everybody else btw.

Oh dear, someone doesn’t get satire…….

What's funny about this thread? Or what sort of person thinks attacking trans people and women being shouted at in Parliament is 'satire'?

You mate, you’re funny, kicking off in this thread about someone saying it’s striking no one from one side has commented, whilst simultaneously ignoring the exact same phrase (from where I cut and pasted it from) in the Zahawi thread. Does your outrage and one sided arguments only go one way?
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: Branton Red on January 22, 2023, 08:18:17 pm
For anyone interested Rosie Duffield's speech on this issue which she referenced in the article in the OP: -

www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6FHHWQ3O_U

Sadly the disrespectful heckling is coming from the opposition benches and is largely of course from men.
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: SydneyRover on January 22, 2023, 09:12:29 pm
She's been called out for dog whistling.
Title: Re: Do Labour have a problem with women?
Post by: drfchound on January 22, 2023, 09:25:39 pm
She's been called out for dog whistling.

Figuratively, a 'dog whistle' is a coded message communicated through words or phrases commonly understood by a particular group of people, but not by others.

What are you suggesting Syd.