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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: tyke1962 on January 23, 2023, 06:33:16 pm
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Dear me .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-64375992
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He should ask Gove how he funds his habit
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Dear me .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-64375992
It's BST's area I knew HE should have stood (•¿•)› --- he would get my "cross "
hang on a minute I just realised Dracula's don't like crosses
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=284723.msg1162208#msg1162208
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Ive said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.
We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?
Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.
Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.
If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered.
Shocking, but not unexpected.
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Ive said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.
We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?
Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.
Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.
If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered.
Shocking, but not unexpected.
He’s been suspended from the Labour Party since 2018
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Ive said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.
We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?
Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.
Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.
If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered.
Shocking, but not unexpected.
He’s been suspended from the Labour Party since 2018
We all know he's been suspended from the Labour party, im commenting on the period when he was a member and elected as an MP, do you have any comment about that period?
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Ive said it on here quite a few times that there are some proper wrong un's elected as MP's on all sides.
We all know the long list of failures going back years but this fella takes the biscuit, what i'd like to know is how someone like this gets proposed as a prospective candidate in the first place?
Do we castigate the perpetrator for his sins or the organisation behind him? how in gods name did they not have an inkling that he was a desperate case.
Was it a genuine error to have him as a candidate or was he "proposed because of all the proper boxes he fills as far as Labour is concerned.
If i was a Labour voting member in this Sheffield constituency i would want to have some serious questions answered.
Shocking, but not unexpected.
He’s been suspended from the Labour Party since 2018
We all know he's been suspended from the Labour party, im commenting on the period when he was a member and elected as an MP, do you have any comment about that period?
I agree with you regarding his selection process, something is flawed somewhere to allow him to be selected, I also agree with your comment on the proposer
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Mistakes get made by all parties. It's inevitable. You can't necessarily find out someone is a sociopath before they start acting like one.
Prospective Parliamentary candidates are chosen by interview by local constituency parties. No constituency parties have the wherewithal to do extensive checks into a candidate's background and mental health. O'Mara is a t**t of the first order, but not many people knew that in 2017.
All that parties can do is take prompt action when evidence of wrongdoing emerges.
In that very same constituency, the Tory MP in the 1980s scuttled between SY Police and the Sun spreading malicious lies about Liverpool fans in the immediate aftermath of Hillsborough. He was never disciplined by his party. In fact he stood at the next 2 elections and was knighted by the Major government.
Maybe there's something in the water in Sheffield Hallam. The MP between Sir Irvine Patnick and O'Mara was Nick Clegg, who, after playing his role in deceiving the British public over Austerity, took a highly paid job as an apologist for Facebook being used to foster ethnic cleansing and social unrest around the world.
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Mistakes get made by all parties. It's inevitable. You can't necessarily find out someone is a sociopath before they start acting like one.
Prospective Parliamentary candidates are chosen by interview by local constituency parties. No constituency parties have the wherewithal to do extensive checks into a candidate's background and mental health. O'Mara is a t**t of the first order, but not many people knew that in 2017.
All that parties can do is take prompt action when evidence of wrongdoing emerges.
In that very same constituency, the Tory MP in the 1980s scuttled between SY Police and the Sun spreading malicious lies about Liverpool fans in the immediate aftermath of Hillsborough. He was never disciplined by his party. In fact he stood at the next 2 elections and was knighted by the Major government.
Maybe there's something in the water in Sheffield Hallam. The MP between Sir Irvine Patnick and O'Mara was Nick Clegg, who, after playing his role in deceiving the British public over Austerity, took a highly paid job as an apologist for Facebook being used to foster ethnic cleansing and social unrest around the world.
I'm not buying that BST, if not many people knew anything about this man then how the f*ck did he get onto a selection process in the first place, if he was Mr anonymous in 2017 then that tells me that the constituency party was either bloody useless in its selection process or was privy to this individuals folly's and was determined to get him into the seat as an example of Labour being a party that welcomes diversity!!
I know Sheffield can look a bit like the land that time forgot but to accept some geezer that nobody knew anything about along to your selection panel in a city that's full of Labour activists and then actually have him as the prospective candidate rings some bloody strange bells.
Smells pretty rotten from here.
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DD.
How many people fall in love with and get married to someone who turns out to be an abusive bas**rd?
You reckon we can all spot people's failings before they are exposed to view?
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A bit like police who become rapists.
Or doctors and nurses that become murderers.
Sometimes you don’t know about it until it’s too late.
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or due to this .....
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/met-police-hire-officers-without-face-to-face-interviews-l3bl9j52b
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But again NR, what really matters is how you respond when the evidence does emerge.
The problem with the Met is that they've institutionally failed to address huge amounts of evidence against serving officers. Carrick had EIGHT allegations of abuse against him. His nickname among colleagues was bas**rd Dave because he was such a nasty t**t. But he was never rooted out.
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BST, so basically your excusing the clusterf*ck that appointed him in the first place because they have responded after the event to deal with him?
That in itself does not excuse the incompetence or ineptitude or even slight of hand that took place in 2017 to appoint him. You have spent the last few years constantly berating the Tories who have made just as many if not more of the same mistakes but it appears the Labour party get off Scott free?
What i'd like to hear from you (and especially because of where you live ) a full and descriptivism evisceration of the Labour party in Sheffield and how they became to be so incompetent , so it seems.
After all its only what you do on a constant basis for the Tories when they f*uck up constantly. it seems only fair?
Remember if they had acted with competence in the first place they would not have needed to respond to such a poor decision.
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DD.
How do you come to the conclusion that the original selection was a clusterf**k?
You seem to be suggesting that either:
1) The local party were aware of his sociopathic behaviour and ignored it, or
2) They weren't aware of it but they should have been.
If it's 1), do you have any evidence for that? If it's 2) What process do you think they should have gone through but didn't?
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DD.
How do you come to the conclusion that the original selection was a clusterf**k?
You seem to be suggesting that either:
1) The local party were aware of his sociopathic behaviour and ignored it, or
2) They weren't aware of it but they should have been.
If it's 1), do you have any evidence for that? If it's 2) What process do you think they should have gone through but didn't?
So your asking me the same questions i've just asked you to comment on, being your a Labour activist in Sheffield and apparently no one there in the whole area had any sort of inkling that he was a wrong un, Erm, Ok
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I'm not an activist. And I don't live in that constituency.
You are getting hot under the collar about this "clusterf**k". I assume you know a lot about it.
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I'm not an activist. And I don't live in that constituency.
You are getting hot under the collar about this "clusterf**k". I assume you know a lot about it.
Im aware you mentioned before that you lived in a different constituency, i was talking about the whole area, you strike me as someone who would of had an inkling about other MP's in the city, especially someone who managed to unseat a prominent Lib MP.
I find it intriguing that you as someone who has an interest in politics had not a clue about this individual as it seems the rest of the area didn't.
Strange that you make it a mission to root out corruption and incompetence in MPs nationwide but seem to have not a monkeys about the goings on locally in the City?
That's all, no heat being expunged from the collar region.
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DD.
How do you come to the conclusion that the original selection was a clusterf**k?
You seem to be suggesting that either:
1) The local party were aware of his sociopathic behaviour and ignored it, or
2) They weren't aware of it but they should have been.
If it's 1), do you have any evidence for that? If it's 2) What process do you think they should have gone through but didn't?
So your asking me the same questions i've just asked you to comment on, being your a Labour activist in Sheffield and apparently no one there in the whole area had any sort of inkling that he was a wrong un, Erm, Ok
ermmmmm.... (more to follow) round one on the way to a knock out blow ( aka hitting the canvas)
Been out canvassing in Sheffield. I don't like drawing stereotypes but it was quite stunning how people split into two groups.
I had nothing to identify the side I supported. But in every case, the people who turned out to be Remain supporters were open and chatty from the moment they answered the door, whereas the Leavers were the ones who opened the door a crack and immediately had a suspicious look on their faces.
Without exception.
That is actually very troubling.
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round two
Albie.
You make my point for me with that article, which has been posted in here before and reads no better now than it did then.
The article sets out clearly that neo-Liberaism is the move, driven by Hayek and Friedman in the mid 20th century, to embrace the principles of the free market and the minimisation of Govt involvement in the economy. What it skilfully avoids is any mention of what that was a reaction against - the overwhelming triumph of Keynesian economics. He doesn't mention Keynes once. Which is simply ridiculous in any critique of neo-Liberaism.
Keynes embraced the role of Government in guiding the economy through fiscal policy. Hayek and Friedman, and the Chicago School that worships them, were viscerally against that. They wanted the Government out of the picture.
Now look at the record of the last Labour Govt. Brown's approach was committedly Keynesian on fiscal policy. A world away from the Chicago School. In the biggest test of all, when the GFC hit, Brown led the world in driving Keynesian defecit spending to save us from a neo-liberal Great Depression.
It was Cameron and the Tories who embraced the neo-liberal approach with Austerity, with disastrous consequences.
Your man is doing precisely what I said. He's using the term neo-liberal as a catch-all insult to suit his ideogical argument. It's on a par with Trump calling Biden "socialist" or Rik in the Young Ones calling everyone who disagreed with him "fascist". It's a lazy debasement of language, but it sticks, unfortunately, because it tells some people what they want to hear. It's the sort of utter rubbish that confirms some people's belief that Brown was no better a choice than Cameron in 2010.
As for Wakefield, well, yeah you'll dismiss that. For precisely the same reason. Because it doesn't support the argument you want to make. For what it's worth, in two canvassing sessions I've done there, I haven't heard a single person say they are voting Labour because of the previous Tory MP's conviction. But of course that will be the Left's argument, and as usual, they'll hear nothing to the contrary.
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round 3 good job amateurs only used to box rounds !!
voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.
But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.
voters must 'turn a blind eye' to the obnoxious side of johnson which has been well documented and really hard to ignore, why would you vote for someone that you wouldn't want in you home.
But surely people aren’t voting for the man, they are voting for the Party.
You should have come canvassing with me in Maltby and Stockbridge in December if you think that, Hound!
Conclusion
someone certainly has hit the canvas a lot over the last few years and strangely heard nothing through the grapeveine
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Not sure what your point is CLH (so little new there...) although it's touching and a little unnerving how comprehensive your knowledge is of my previous posts.
I'm a Labour party member, but I don't get involved in constituency activity. And certainly not in the activity of other constituencies.
Canvassing during elections draws in hundreds and hundreds of people who are not otherwise "active" in the party, or even members of it. Hope that helps.
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But again NR, what really matters is how you respond when the evidence does emerge.
The problem with the Met is that they've institutionally failed to address huge amounts of evidence against serving officers. Carrick had EIGHT allegations of abuse against him. His nickname among colleagues was bas**rd Dave because he was such a nasty t**t. But he was never rooted out.
You are right.
The other issue is the sheer numbers of cops needed to keep the met afloat. With retirements, sackings, resignations and transfers, it will be like Macdonalds for staff turnover
Very very difficult to keep the force sustainable.
And in a climate where no one wants to be a cop for numerous reasons, it’s no wonder the bar is being lowered.
The met have a very stark problem.
Employ shit cops, or have no cops.
I worked for a small shire force. When I got the job I was one of 600 applicants for 12 jobs. I had a face to face interview. And had to jump through many hoops. The recruitment window for my year of application was just 2 days. That’s all they needed, such was the levels of interest. The same force has just opened a recruitment window. It’s 6 weeks long. And they are sending their own staff emails practically begging them to help identify and assist in recruiting new officers. It’s quite frankly scary and heart braking that a once regarded position has become “ just another job”, that very few, by comparison to 20 years ago, want.
Multiply these numbers by 30 and you get some sort of idea the problem facing the met.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/08/jared-o-mara-former-labour-mp-found-guilty-expenses-fraud
Not unexpected unfortunately.
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Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.
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What, a heart-of-gold socialist on the fiddle? Never in a million years!
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Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.
Bloke kicked out of the Labour party probably going to prison for cheating the public out of £40k & illegal drug use.
Tory MP pictured on the front of a Sunday newspaper with a pile of coke and another found guilty of evading £5 MILLION in tax. Both still in Parliament and collecting tax payers money.
One rule for the posh boys, one rule for...
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/08/jared-o-mara-former-labour-mp-found-guilty-expenses-fraud
Not unexpected unfortunately.
If all politicians are the same, should we expect 650 more prosecutions?
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Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.
Correct Hound. Although someone will eventually come along and try to change the subject by commenting on opposition bad boys!
Bugger! Someone beat me to it!
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Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.
Correct Hound. Although someone will eventually come along and try to change the subject by commenting on opposition bad boys!
Bugger! Someone beat me to it!
I hope you are setting a new standard for posting and you will abide and call out all offenders because it will improve the forum and help to make it fact based debate.
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O'Mara is a t**t and a crook. He's been dealt with both by the Labour party and the courts. I'm not sure what more there is to say.
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Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.
Correct Hound. Although someone will eventually come along and try to change the subject by commenting on opposition bad boys!
Bugger! Someone beat me to it!
That appears to be the default process on these threads. Go check on some of the ones about the Tory crooks for instance.
Or is it one rule for the posh boys again?
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Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.
Correct Hound. Although someone will eventually come along and try to change the subject by commenting on opposition bad boys!
Bugger! Someone beat me to it!
That appears to be the default process on these threads. Go check on some of the ones about the Tory crooks for instance.
Or is it one rule for the posh boys again?
And that in a nutshell is a major issue with politics in this country, very few are willing or able to admit failings on ‘their’ side. *BST noted as an exception above
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Sometimes.
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Expected though that this wouldn’t attract much in the way of comments.
Correct Hound. Although someone will eventually come along and try to change the subject by commenting on opposition bad boys!
Bugger! Someone beat me to it!
That appears to be the default process on these threads. Go check on some of the ones about the Tory crooks for instance.
Or is it one rule for the posh boys again?
In your case, absolutely.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/09/former-sheffield-hallam-mp-jared-omara-jailed-for-four-years
We know the fella has issues and cannot function as a normal individual in the glare of public life but come on, 4 years?
We have individuals currently roaming free and making vast sums on the speaking circuit who have bigger rap sheets and a justification to be doing some time. And yes we are talking both Tory and Labour stalwarts (for certain individuals on here who have difficulty with balance)
4 years seems very harsh in my opinion.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/11/jared-omara-should-never-labour-candidate-rachel-reeves
So Labour are now using the O'Mara case to force through their preferred candidates onto local Labour constituencies thus turning the party into a clone of the majestic leader.
Is this a good thing that Labour is leaving itself open to accusations of party fixing and in the process destroying the broad church appeal which the party has always used in the past to demonstrate its inclusiveness.
So Bolton North East becomes another constituency that Starmer has fermented with an undercurrent of resentment towards the party that will come back to haunt it and could be the difference that leads to them not succeeding in this seat.
If Starmer is doing his blood letting in the local party now what other tricks will he try to force roughshod over the rest of the country to get his way, if he becomes elected?
Looks like one to watch, carefully.
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Very telling that non of the usual suspects have jumped on this, could it be that its not very defensible and Starmer is giving us a glimpse of his burgeoning inner megalomania that he's desperately trying to suppress until after the election?
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Labour choose a candidate who was never fit to be an MP.
But Labour shouldn't have a process of weeding out people who are not fit to be MP's.
OK.
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DD.
If *I* am one of your "usual suspects", the reason I'm not engaging is precisely what Wilts says.
You criticise Labour for one thing. Then in the very same thread, you criticise them for the opposite.
I came to the conclusion a while ago that, despite your professed neutrality, you just like criticising Labour.
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Labour should have a process to weed out unsuitable candidates but it should be done with the backing and support of the local constituency party, If they are to persist with this HQ riding roughshod over the local party then they don’t have an argument when they get accused of enforcing a London Metropolitan mindset over the party in general, something that has been aimed at the current government in wanting to enforce central control to the detriment of the regions.
BST, despite what you may think I’m pointing out these failings because Labour is very keen to be seen to be better than the current shambles, when it drops its guard and acts in ways we would all jump on the Tories for portraying it needs to be pointed out.
Criticism when it’s warranted shouldn’t be seen to be taking sides but highlights Labour failings when standards are shown to be suspect, you can’t accrues your opposition for its underhand dealings and then do similar yourself.
Starmer is trying to install some sort of root and branch change in Labour’s back room operations, by taking the course he looks to be on will only leave him open to much criticism and rancour in time, a great many party members will not want to go down this “modernisation “ route , in effect selling his soul in his attempt to be elected, in time this will come back to bite him, hard.
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That seems to be a reasonable response dd.
Nothing contentious.
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Nothing contentious in having a process that weeds out unsuitable candidates - providing it is done by local parties who can choose unsuitable candidates.
OK.
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Former Newsnight and Ch4 news journo Michael Crick on Keith and the selection process:
https://youtu.be/njyIauSPQc0
Crick is centre right btw, but his comments are worth considering.
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Wasn't he a labour councillor for 4 years prior to his selection?? However whilst I get the argument Labour acted quickly when it was found out he wasn't fit for office that's no real solace for the constituents who were left without representation for so long.And that goes for the Tory mp's removed mid term from office for there offences as well..So all parties need to have a serious look at their selection criteria.
However I believe the electorate have to take their own share of the blame. They voted for him because he was Labour not because they listened to him on the hustings and thought he's who I want to represent me..It was pretty obvious from the get go that he wasn't fit for purpose..
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Wasn't he a labour councillor for 4 years prior to his selection?? However whilst I get the argument Labour acted quickly when it was found out he wasn't fit for office that's no real solace for the constituents who were left without representation for so long.And that goes for the Tory mp's removed mid term from office for there offences as well..So all parties need to have a serious look at their selection criteria.
However I believe the electorate have to take their own share of the blame. They voted for him because he was Labour not because they listened to him on the hustings and thought he's who I want to represent me..It was pretty obvious from the get go that he wasn't fit for purpose..
Nope, he was a council candidate but as far as I'm aware, never elected.
Again, this is something where parties can't win. Local constituency parties don't have the resources to do detailed background checks. They are run by volunteers who already put in huge amounts of unpaid time. So if you leave the selection processes entirely up to them, it's inevitable that the odd sociopath will slip through. But if, as Labour are currently doing, you through the weight of the central party into vetting candidates and scraping back through a decade of social media content to see if there is evidence of them being wrong 'uns, you get parties accused of being control freaks.
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Not sure what some people on this thread want, apart from an argument, he’s been dealt with by the Labour Party, and dealt with by the justice system, what more can be done, bar public flogging which the Hime secretary would probably support, along 30p Lee
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Wasn't he a labour councillor for 4 years prior to his selection?? However whilst I get the argument Labour acted quickly when it was found out he wasn't fit for office that's no real solace for the constituents who were left without representation for so long.And that goes for the Tory mp's removed mid term from office for there offences as well..So all parties need to have a serious look at their selection criteria.
However I believe the electorate have to take their own share of the blame. They voted for him because he was Labour not because they listened to him on the hustings and thought he's who I want to represent me..It was pretty obvious from the get go that he wasn't fit for purpose..
Nope, he was a council candidate but as far as I'm aware, never elected.
Again, this is something where parties can't win. Local constituency parties don't have the resources to do detailed background checks. They are run by volunteers who already put in huge amounts of unpaid time. So if you leave the selection processes entirely up to them, it's inevitable that the odd sociopath will slip through. But if, as Labour are currently doing, you through the weight of the central party into vetting candidates and scraping back through a decade of social media content to see if there is evidence of them being wrong 'uns, you get parties accused of being control freaks.
Nothing wrong if the central party helps out with vetting and screening of individuals for local constituencies but the issue is when it doesn't just end there.
When the central party decides who YOUR local candidate is, then that's when the problems start, so BST if you can tell me that the Labour candidates for recent local elections were the choice of the local party(after the central party has had its mucky mitts all over them)without interference from the HQ then im quite ok with that. Must be an easy question for you as you said yourself you did some volunteering in a local constituency, (Wakefield if a remember correctly) so you will be well up to scratch on the candidate you canvassed for?
Or are we to believe that every recent by election has required the services of HQ because the local parties candidates where "just not quite the right stuff" vetted or not, or do i smell a budding fascist in Mr Starmer's little metro elite creation?
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DD.
You give the example of Wakefield and then talk about "Mr Starmer's little metro elite".
Who was the candidate in Wakefield?
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A candidate imposed by Labour HQ, which caused the committee to resign;
https://labourlist.org/2022/05/exclusive-labour-accused-of-breaching-rules-in-wakefield-candidate-selection/
They knew him as a former worker for previous Labour MP Mary Creagh.
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Albie.
I was responding to DD's point. Do you want to explain where the candidate lived?
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DD.
You give the example of Wakefield and then talk about "Mr Starmer's little metro elite".
Who was the candidate in Wakefield?
So you are basically saying you are ok with what Labour HQ did in Wakefield?
I wonder if you will be singing off the same hymn sheet when this starts to happen nationwide.
Seems to some, win at any price is a price well worth paying. Seems others (like the local party exc in Wakefield) think differently, more resentment to bite Starmer in the arse in future
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DD.
You give the example of Wakefield and then talk about "Mr Starmer's little metro elite".
Who was the candidate in Wakefield?
Regardless of where the candidate lived, the local party didn't want them, had at least two respectable and experienced candidates they wanted on the shortlist denied to them by the stitch up from HQ.
If you consider that to be the Central party helping out then god help Labour in future when Starmer manages to force feed his place men into position and the electorate take the hint.
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DD
The local committee's preference was someone who had been active in the stupid, self-indulgence that Corbyn presided over on the anti-Semitism issue.
Wakefield was to be a turning point. Do you think it would have been sensible to choose a candidate with the potential for dragging that issue up again?
Am I happy with the degree of centralisation? No I'm not. But I understand where it comes from. And this isn't a game. It is absolutely essential that Labour wins the next Election. And if that means burying Corbynism and the Corbynistas, so be it.
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BST,
Jared O'Mara was selected by extreme Blairite former General Secretary Ian Mcnichol, as explained here;
https://twitter.com/Standup4Labour/status/1625198786006945805
Pet Shop Boy Wes Streeting has not been sanctioned by the Labour leader, despite appearing on Ch4 News to spread misinformation.
The Wakefield candidate was rejected by the local party because of his close association with right winger Mary Creagh, who was not supported in the constituency;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-61441696
The racist trope of anti-semitism was dealt with in the Forde Report, and has no bearing on the right of Wakefield Labour to hold candidate selections in accordance with the rules.
I hope that helps!
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Albie
Do you want to run by me how O'Mara was selected by McNichol?
Only I've searched for this and all I can find is a string of unsubstantiated claims from folk on the very left of the party who clearly have axes to grind.
So I'd be grateful if you could provide some clear evidence.
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BST,
Jared O'Mara was selected by extreme Blairite former General Secretary Ian Mcnichol, as explained here;
https://twitter.com/Standup4Labour/status/1625198786006945805
Pet Shop Boy Wes Streeting has not been sanctioned by the Labour leader, despite appearing on Ch4 News to spread misinformation.
The Wakefield candidate was rejected by the local party because of his close association with right winger Mary Creagh, who was not supported in the constituency;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-61441696
The racist trope of anti-semitism was dealt with in the Forde Report, and has no bearing on the right of Wakefield Labour to hold candidate selections in accordance with the rules.
I hope that helps!
It's a step in the right direction that you now agree with the Forde report Albie.
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By the way Albie the impression I get from reading the summary of the Forde report is that there is no glory for the left or right of the Labour Party through that period, there is no high ground for anyone. All it demonstrates is that both sides carry equal blame for the infighting and that disunity is death.
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I think that's about right Syd.
Corbyn's reaction when that report was published was (and this is pretty much verbatim) "I'm delighted that this detailed report has brought to light some of the things that were going on undermining me. I disagree entirely with all the parts of the report that criticise me, but the rest is all bang on."
The Left, as they do every generation, are developing their Great Betrayal Myth, where they were right about everything and would have won if it hadn't been for everyone else.
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BST,
You have the evidence given by the local party members in Sheffield, plus the explanation of then NEC member Martin Mayer.
As an NEC member, Mayer was involved in the selection process, which he explains fully in the YT vid linked below.
If you dispute their claims, on what evidence do you rely?
If any of the points raised were factually incorrect, then a legal case could be brought.
Mcnichol has not contested this explanation to my knowledge.
You can choose to ignore the explanation given, and make a virtue of ignorance, but that is your tragedy.
It is very sad that people see a vulnerable person like O'Mara as a disposable to be set aside without compassion.
The 5 minutes or so contribution from Corbyn at the end is worth hearing.
https://youtu.be/Iy8EKPLsNK0
Another day, another stitch up......Michael Crick posted the resignation letter of Bolton NE Labour committee over their candidate process;
https://twitter.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1623985757814681601/photo/1
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Albie.
I gave up at the "I also know, although I can't prove it..." bit.
You genuinely think this is a balanced assessment?
Have fun with it, if so.
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BST,
Jared O'Mara was selected by extreme Blairite former General Secretary Ian Mcnichol, as explained here;
https://twitter.com/Standup4Labour/status/1625198786006945805
Pet Shop Boy Wes Streeting has not been sanctioned by the Labour leader, despite appearing on Ch4 News to spread misinformation.
The Wakefield candidate was rejected by the local party because of his close association with right winger Mary Creagh, who was not supported in the constituency;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-61441696
The racist trope of anti-semitism was dealt with in the Forde Report, and has no bearing on the right of Wakefield Labour to hold candidate selections in accordance with the rules.
I hope that helps!
A point here Albie while you launch into other's views of O'Mara, the 'pet shop boy' jibe you use regarding Wes Streeting have you any proof of any wrong doing to support your inference?
He who casts the first stone an' all that aye?
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Hot off the press ...........
''Equalities watchdog satisfied with Labour antisemitism reforms''
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64640069
It will be nice to see future discussion taking these finding and that of the Forde report into consideration.