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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: LincolnDonny on January 28, 2023, 03:05:42 pm
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Here we go again FFS 1 down in approx 30 seconds
Possible Tom Anderson own goal
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No clean sheet yet again. Another defensive error yet again.
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Don’t worry we will win this one.
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I like your faith.
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Don’t worry we will win this one.
I doubt from crosses from Seaman if what he did a few minutes ago under no pressure whatsoever.
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Oh I give up ...........like our defence ...2-0
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Absolutely rubbish!!!
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2-0 now - I’m predicting a 4-0 gubbing.
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2-0 . Well it’s business as usual . Piss poor defending !!!!
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There’s already a thread in the lucky pint
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Can see why nelson couldn’t get in the Rochdale team
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2-0 . Well it’s business as usual . Piss poor defending !!!!
Don't worry we will wait until the Transfer window opens ........................... oh hang on a minute....
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Comedy of errors. Would be nice if we could play football in the opponents half instead of our own box. Miller is so isolated
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3 days left :thumbdown:
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Hurrah our players have gone to the bench to introduce who they are to each other
we are saved ....................
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I am afraid we will have to get used to this. Other teams strengthened in the January window, we have done the opposite.
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When are we going to help Miller. The lad is running himself into the ground for nothing.
Our play is so slow. Neat but gives oppo time to get organised.
First goal one of our plays held onto the ball too long. Second was a clear handball. Both showed we can't stop crosses.
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Comedy of errors. Would be nice if we could play football in the opponents half instead of our own box. Miller is so isolated
Miller….looks like our defence are playing….hopeless and useless today !
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In our Cup Final 2 0 ?
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If we lose today:
Schofield - 16 points from 12 games @ 1.33ppg
McSheffrey - 21 points from 14 games @ 1.5ppg
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Don't worry ds will come out with all the waffle after the game
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Don’t worry everyone. We’re a sustainable club.
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We concede in almost 9 out of 10 league games.
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Our problems are still at the back and another central defender is still needed Imo . Anderson is still not playing at his best and Williams is just dreadful on a good day !!
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We are a terrible side because we are mid way between a defensive horror show and defensive laughing stock without parallel since 1997/98, and we don’t create enough chances.
If we solved one of those we would be a decent side. If we solved both we would be a good side.
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Charlie Seaman is awful and Molyneux flatters to deceive in virtually every gane.. simply not good enough.
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Seaman is awful. Had two decent chances seemed to bottle hitting both with his right. Playing on the right. Can’t believe it
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As I’ve explained to the fantasists who think we can make the play offs, we won’t unless something very major happens because we have been consistently terrible all season defensively and we don’t create or score enough. Nothing has changed since the opening minute of the season. We are a consistently mid-table League Two side.
Unless we solve one of the above, we aren’t going to trouble the play offs. The evidence to date is that we don’t have the ability or backbone to do either.
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I really thought these new signing would kick start our season. Said no one.
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Same squad, same result. What do you expect? Why haven't we used all the new players?
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Charlie Seaman is awful and Molyneux flatters to deceive in virtually every gane.. simply not good enough.
Molyneux is a good player. Not having the quality of KK to link up with won't do him any favours tho.
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Game on!
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If we had used all the new players people will moan at not using our own players. It’s a tough one. Keep the faith. 2-1 now
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hoooooo bloody ray................. a goal 2-1
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Another defensive error. Really quite something even for us.
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We have tried our own players and they are simply not good enough to get above mid-table. We can all see that. The new signings are fresh blood with some ambition and that's what we need, so we should have started with them.
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3-1 down. Still keeping the faith?
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I really thought these new signing would kick start our season. Said no one.
Some people seriously actually thought this though… :turd:
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No clean sheet yet again. Another defensive error yet again.
Perhaps this is down to the players getting used to a new system, but it’s notable just how bad the defence has been since Schofield took over. In 12 league games we’ve had only 2 clean sheets, and have conceded so far an average of 1.6 goals a game.
This is League Two. The lowest professional tier of the game. We’re conceding pretty much every game against sides with budgets a fraction of our budget.
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Yep. As hard as it is.
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We are f**king shit
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He missed that ?????
Miller WTF?
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Embarrassing.
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Perspective. I have supported DRFC for 47 years. Many lows. Been some highs. We were always at this level in the 80s and 90s. We all know what happened in 97/98. Then there were the highs. Then, it’s been a downfall with some hope in between.
The owners get moaned at, without them we wouldn’t have a club. Let’s at least be thankful for them. Not everyone’s cup of tea I know. Some people want them to throw money in left, right and centre. If they did, then it didn’t work. They walk away. Then probably no club.
Unfortunately it is what it is at the moment. Maybe a season or two in league 2 and possibly work our way up again. Is it the end of the world.
Yes we all want success but it doesn’t always happen in life.
As other people have maybe, we have had some very close people die, my wife is disabled but been told her spine is deteriorating quicker than it should as well as other problems.
I don’t want sympathy, just as I said at the start, perspective
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No point moaning about yet another our L2 performances as it’s what we paid for ! Our benefactors keep selling the players ,changing the back room staff and bringing players in that can’t get a game with any other team . Thank Baldwin & Blunt for all you’ve done !! Now **** off !!
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yet another against us ........
Wave the white flag
blow the bloody whistle
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What makes this worse is that we are absolutely nowhere in the lowest tier of the game. We are not getting rinsed in the Championship here. We’ve gone backwards at an unbelievable rate of knots and are also rans in tier four. Being here full stop is embarrassing given the resources we have to hand, but mid table nobodies here is really a colossal failure and will be by any measure the worst season since 1997/98.
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What makes this worse is that we are absolutely nowhere in the lowest tier of the game. We are not getting rinsed in the Championship here. We’ve gone backwards at an unbelievable rate of knots and are also rans in tier four. Being here full stop is embarrassing given the resources we have to hand, but mid table nobodies here is really a colossal failure and will be by any measure the worst season since 1997/98.
I won't like your comment CBCB because I don't like it one bit, but I totally agree with it.
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The signings did not fill me with confidence but the jury is still out on Schofield. Worrying all round there's little to be happy about right now.
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Don't worry ds will come out with all the waffle after the game
To be fair, he can't really come out and tell the truth.
You can only piss with the cock you've got.
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We are in L2.
And we have the second worst away defensive record in the division.
How the hell have we fallen apart like this? Every one of the back line that started today would struggle in the Conference.
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I’ve made this point for the past two seasons now. We are the softest possible touch at the back. We barely ever keep a clean sheet and it’s not because there isn’t midfield cover, it’s because the defensive unit is shockingly bad and seem to think they are Newcastle circa 1996 when conceding 3 piss poor goals is fine because we can score 4 at the other end.
Keeping a clean sheet is not just numbers or not on a page, it’s a state of mind and a grudging reluctance to let the other side get away with even the smallest victory. This lot like their predecessors the last few season seem to think it is a minor occupational hazard to pretty much always concede.
And again, this is not the Championship. We are playing one tier above the part time lads.
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The lot of you can sugar coat the club as much as you like but, the sooner we all agree that the people above are disinterested the better. Signing players who cant compete for gametime is a complete joke. SM will carry on patronising us all im sure. Facts remain
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I’ve made this point for the past two seasons now. We are the softest possible touch at the back. We barely ever keep a clean sheet and it’s not because there isn’t midfield cover, it’s because the defensive unit is shockingly bad and seem to think they are Newcastle circa 1996 when conceding 3 piss poor goals is fine because we can score 4 at the other end. Keeping a clean sheet is not just number or not on a page, it’s a state of mind and a grudging reluctance to let the other side get away with even the smallest victory. This lot like their predecessors the last few season seem to think it is a minor occupational hazard to pretty much always concede. And again, this is not the Championship. We are playing one tier above the part time lads.
We are unlikely to improve to any great degree until the entire defensive unit is shipped out.
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Nothing is going to change until someone in charge of recruiting realises that we need big strong bullies in this league not a bunch of light weight boy's.
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I’ve made this point for the past two seasons now. We are the softest possible touch at the back. We barely ever keep a clean sheet and it’s not because there isn’t midfield cover, it’s because the defensive unit is shockingly bad and seem to think they are Newcastle circa 1996 when conceding 3 piss poor goals is fine because we can score 4 at the other end. Keeping a clean sheet is not just number or not on a page, it’s a state of mind and a grudging reluctance to let the other side get away with even the smallest victory. This lot like their predecessors the last few season seem to think it is a minor occupational hazard to pretty much always concede. And again, this is not the Championship. We are playing one tier above the part time lads.
We are unlikely to improve to any great degree until the entire defensive unit is shipped out.
Agreed. We are going nowhere with this defence. The way league 2 sides, (even the worst of them), are scoring with ease, is alarming. After numerous managers/coaches it still hasn't been addressed, & if it isn't addressed in the summer I fear the worst next season.
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I’ve made this point for the past two seasons now. We are the softest possible touch at the back. We barely ever keep a clean sheet and it’s not because there isn’t midfield cover, it’s because the defensive unit is shockingly bad and seem to think they are Newcastle circa 1996 when conceding 3 piss poor goals is fine because we can score 4 at the other end. Keeping a clean sheet is not just number or not on a page, it’s a state of mind and a grudging reluctance to let the other side get away with even the smallest victory. This lot like their predecessors the last few season seem to think it is a minor occupational hazard to pretty much always concede. And again, this is not the Championship. We are playing one tier above the part time lads.
We are unlikely to improve to any great degree until the entire defensive unit is shipped out.
Agreed. We are going nowhere with this defence. The way league 2 sides, (even the worst of them), are scoring with ease, is alarming. After numerous managers/coaches it still hasn't been addressed, & if it isn't addressed in the summer I fear the worst next season.
There is a long way still to go in THIS season Alan!!! Remember when we were safe in the championship but still managed to get relegated.
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I’ve made this point for the past two seasons now. We are the softest possible touch at the back. We barely ever keep a clean sheet and it’s not because there isn’t midfield cover, it’s because the defensive unit is shockingly bad and seem to think they are Newcastle circa 1996 when conceding 3 piss poor goals is fine because we can score 4 at the other end.
Keeping a clean sheet is not just numbers or not on a page, it’s a state of mind and a grudging reluctance to let the other side get away with even the smallest victory. This lot like their predecessors the last few season seem to think it is a minor occupational hazard to pretty much always concede.
And again, this is not the Championship. We are playing one tier above the part time lads.
I entirely agree and have been saying the same. We are totally bereft of players with the mental resolve to impose themselves on the opposition.
We have moderately talented players who can beat an opponent that os equally lacking in steel. But put demands on us as a defensive unit and we evaporate. Because there isn't a f**king mester in the whole squad.
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Is there anyone who thinks Schofield is doing a decent job ? Imo he’s not even L2 quality .
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Is there anyone who thinks Schofield is doing a decent job ? Imo he’s not even L2 quality .
out of his depth for me. Wrong man at the wrong time for us.
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Is there anyone who thinks Schofield is doing a decent job ? Imo he’s not even L2 quality .
out of his depth for me. Wrong man at the wrong time for us.
The tools he's been given are blunt. He doesn't stand a chance here.
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Is there anyone who thinks Schofield is doing a decent job ? Imo he’s not even L2 quality .
out of his depth for me. Wrong man at the wrong time for us.
The tools he's been given are blunt. He doesn't stand a chance here.
He didn't know Nelson was coming until he was in the door apparently, an agent connection. So maybe I've a little sympathy.
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Is there anyone who thinks Schofield is doing a decent job ? Imo he’s not even L2 quality .
out of his depth for me. Wrong man at the wrong time for us.
The tools he's been given are blunt. He doesn't stand a chance here.
While he hasn't got us flying up the league yet, let's give him some time guys. Don't want to be a club that screams sack the manager every season. They arnt going to sack him if we do.
He does need to realise that we arnt going to win games with the way we are defending. Really needs to sort out that defenders need to be able to defend before being a good ball playing defender.
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What has he and his army of helpers been doing for the last 3 weeks ? If he can’t motivate the team and demonstrate to all the new faces that he has a grip on all their futures , then he has to go . Pitiful performances from them ALL .
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Almost exclusively we have signed players who have not been regular starters for teams even in League 2, let alone better than that standard. Discounting Knoyle who has gone, Lavery is probably the first since Tommy Rowe that is also still here that have actually got a thing or two on his cv to prove some past achievement. The rest have been either cast offs, like Agard and Clayton or younger players whose only experience has been on loans (which do not look as though they have been successful).
McSheffery got something out of some of them, but under Schofield the same players have not progressed. So, continuing the same policy of spending minimal amounts is presumably because he thinks (or the club believes) he is such a good coach that he can transform them into useful assets. That seems very dubious. It may not be quite the same as calling in players from the Sunday League, but to base your team substantially around such a core looks foolhardy.
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Is there anyone who thinks Schofield is doing a decent job ? Imo he’s not even L2 quality .
out of his depth for me. Wrong man at the wrong time for us.
The tools he's been given are blunt. He doesn't stand a chance here.
Blunt is definitely a tool.
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We had this very same problem when SOD first came here, he was an experienced manager who wanted to play a slow, quick, slow technical game with proper footballers, he had some quality in his squad and nearly got away with it. His failings just like now was he never managed to address a very poor defence, we always lacked the two extra defenders with enough about them to rally kick on, if he had got them players in that team could of challenged at the top of the championship.
Back to this lot today, we have lower quality players attempting to achieve pretty similar things, but as before its built on sand because the two or three quality players we have will never make up for the absolute dross we have in the defensive unit.
What needs to happen is a root and branch review of what we have, where we expect to go and what we intend to do about it, with our current model it seems like we are lumbered with certain players come what may but we really need some central defenders with spite and bite alongside some proper heft in the centre of the park, playing two lightweight pretty ball players will,not suffice.
When you look at the Mansfield team today, that's what a proper 4th tier side should look like, players who may be just slightly over the hill for higher leagues but plenty good enough to still perform at this level, with size and experience all over the pitch, we looked like the a junior side in comparison.
Three weeks of waiting for a match to be then served up that!!
We need the management team to step up and tell the owners what we need to succeed because this plainly is not it.
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SOD was given the funds and the backing of JR not the meaningless support of Baldwin and Bunt the football equivalent of the local undertakers !!
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Is there anyone who thinks Schofield is doing a decent job ? Imo he’s not even L2 quality .
out of his depth for me. Wrong man at the wrong time for us.
The tools he's been given are blunt. He doesn't stand a chance here.
I appreciate that I am probably in a minority of 1 but I’m glad he hasn’t been let loose with the chequebook. I don’t want us to be burdened with a squad of his players when he inevitably gets the boot in the summer. Loans are fine with me, as they can go back.
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Is there anyone who thinks Schofield is doing a decent job ? Imo he’s not even L2 quality .
out of his depth for me. Wrong man at the wrong time for us.
The tools he's been given are blunt. He doesn't stand a chance here.
Blunt is definitely a tool.
You got my drift, well done.
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Is there anyone who thinks Schofield is doing a decent job ? Imo he’s not even L2 quality .
out of his depth for me. Wrong man at the wrong time for us.
The tools he's been given are blunt. He doesn't stand a chance here.
I appreciate that I am probably in a minority of 1 but I’m glad he hasn’t been let loose with the chequebook. I don’t want us to be burdened with a squad of his players when he inevitably gets the boot in the summer. Loans are fine with me, as they can go back.
I actually think he would do very well if he was backed financially.
He isn't so he's scratting around the bottom of the barrel.
If he fails, it's not his doing.
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I am largely in agreement with the need to spend wisely but do we know whether Schofield has been limited in this respect? Even if the focus is on sustainability and your strength is declining, as it is, buying cheap goods will not even ensure survival!
So achieving sustainability (meaning the status quo) with things as they are looks doubtful.
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SOD was given the funds and the backing of JR not the meaningless support of Baldwin and Bunt the football equivalent of the local undertakers !!
That the problem with folk like you, they don’t understand what they’re talking about.
Sod was given the funds of brammal
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SOD was given the funds and the backing of JR not the meaningless support of Baldwin and Bunt the football equivalent of the local undertakers !!
That the problem with folk like you, they don’t understand what they’re talking about.
Sod was given the funds of brammal
And if THAT was the case and I doubt it , as it was a 33% each split between the 3 Directors where investment in players was concerned …. why has he stopped ?
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4-1 flattered them . They took their chances rovers didn’t. Even their own fans saying they rode their luck
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SOD was given the funds and the backing of JR not the meaningless support of Baldwin and Bunt the football equivalent of the local undertakers !!
That the problem with folk like you, they don’t understand what they’re talking about.
Sod was given the funds of brammal
And if THAT was the case and I doubt it , as it was a 33% each split between the 3 Directors where investment in players was concerned …. why has he stopped ?
Exactly, so why did you only say Ryan?
Ryan got brammal on board because he needed the extra money which brammal gave to sign players like sharp, mills etc
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Think it ended up with The 2 amigos providing nearly all of the funding when JRs funds ran low
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Terry Bramall.
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Instead of picking out individuals and areas we are poor in, why not look at the areas we are actually weak which is the board and investment? Instead of sitting on the fence and saying " nothing against the lad but"..... just say it as it is! The recruitment is shambolic, the guys we are bringing in havent suceeded to be good enough anywhere in the football league, EVER. The board wont put any money in, Blunt is an egg chasing fan and we are drip fed only pieces of truth. So lets for god sake call it as it is. We are sh!t with no ambition and stop with the... we need a new right back, keeper, so and so has left for more money etc. These things will always happen while these people own the club.
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Is there anyone who thinks Schofield is doing a decent job ? Imo he’s not even L2 quality .
out of his depth for me. Wrong man at the wrong time for us.
The tools he's been given are blunt. He doesn't stand a chance here.
He didn't know Nelson was coming until he was in the door apparently, an agent connection. So maybe I've a little sympathy.
Thats not good if true.
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Instead of picking out individuals and areas we are poor in, why not look at the areas we are actually weak which is the board and investment? Instead of sitting on the fence and saying " nothing against the lad but"..... just say it as it is! The recruitment is shambolic, the guys we are bringing in havent suceeded to be good enough anywhere in the football league, EVER. The board wont put any money in, Blunt is an egg chasing fan and we are drip fed only pieces of truth. So lets for god sake call it as it is. We are sh!t with no ambition and stop with the... we need a new right back, keeper, so and so has left for more money etc. These things will always happen while these people own the club.
Blunt is an ex professional footballer and therefore probably knows more about football than the majority of us on this forum.
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I’ve made this point for the past two seasons now. We are the softest possible touch at the back. We barely ever keep a clean sheet and it’s not because there isn’t midfield cover, it’s because the defensive unit is shockingly bad and seem to think they are Newcastle circa 1996 when conceding 3 piss poor goals is fine because we can score 4 at the other end.
Keeping a clean sheet is not just numbers or not on a page, it’s a state of mind and a grudging reluctance to let the other side get away with even the smallest victory. This lot like their predecessors the last few season seem to think it is a minor occupational hazard to pretty much always concede.
And again, this is not the Championship. We are playing one tier above the part time lads.
Not strictly true.
Most teams in the NL are full time pro.
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The National league is in effect League 3
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Also, a friend of mine who is in NL North tells me that most of the clubs in that league are full time too.
I can’t back that up but am just reporting what he said.
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Is there anyone who thinks Schofield is doing a decent job ? Imo he’s not even L2 quality .
out of his depth for me. Wrong man at the wrong time for us.
The tools he's been given are blunt. He doesn't stand a chance here.
He didn't know Nelson was coming until he was in the door apparently, an agent connection. So maybe I've a little sympathy.
Find that very hard to believe
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Charlie Seaman is awful and Molyneux flatters to deceive in virtually every gane.. simply not good enough.
Correct
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I’ve made this point for the past two seasons now. We are the softest possible touch at the back. We barely ever keep a clean sheet and it’s not because there isn’t midfield cover, it’s because the defensive unit is shockingly bad and seem to think they are Newcastle circa 1996 when conceding 3 piss poor goals is fine because we can score 4 at the other end.
Keeping a clean sheet is not just numbers or not on a page, it’s a state of mind and a grudging reluctance to let the other side get away with even the smallest victory. This lot like their predecessors the last few season seem to think it is a minor occupational hazard to pretty much always concede.
And again, this is not the Championship. We are playing one tier above the part time lads.
Exactly this, no matter who we have as manager the rot has truly set in and it's almost acceptable to conceded. The whole defensive unit needs pretty much disbanding and starting again with some fresh faces pre season. I'd keep Maxwell, I have no issues with Mitchell either. The defence we had under Saunders was a proper defence where everyone knew their limitations but did their jobs and defended as if their lives depended on it. Need to get back to basics.
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I’ve made this point for the past two seasons now. We are the softest possible touch at the back. We barely ever keep a clean sheet and it’s not because there isn’t midfield cover, it’s because the defensive unit is shockingly bad and seem to think they are Newcastle circa 1996 when conceding 3 piss poor goals is fine because we can score 4 at the other end.
Keeping a clean sheet is not just numbers or not on a page, it’s a state of mind and a grudging reluctance to let the other side get away with even the smallest victory. This lot like their predecessors the last few season seem to think it is a minor occupational hazard to pretty much always concede.
And again, this is not the Championship. We are playing one tier above the part time lads.
Exactly this, no matter who we have as manager the rot has truly set in and it's almost acceptable to conceded. The whole defensive unit needs pretty much disbanding and starting again with some fresh faces pre season. I'd keep Maxwell, I have no issues with Mitchell either. The defence we had under Saunders was a proper defence where everyone knew their limitations but did their jobs and defended as if their lives depended on it. Need to get back to basics.
Newcastle used to let in goals left right and center ,under Howe no one of the back 4 plus goal keeper are under 6ft 2 and the goals conceeded has almost dried up
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I’ve made this point for the past two seasons now. We are the softest possible touch at the back. We barely ever keep a clean sheet and it’s not because there isn’t midfield cover, it’s because the defensive unit is shockingly bad and seem to think they are Newcastle circa 1996 when conceding 3 piss poor goals is fine because we can score 4 at the other end.
Keeping a clean sheet is not just numbers or not on a page, it’s a state of mind and a grudging reluctance to let the other side get away with even the smallest victory. This lot like their predecessors the last few season seem to think it is a minor occupational hazard to pretty much always concede.
And again, this is not the Championship. We are playing one tier above the part time lads.
Exactly this, no matter who we have as manager the rot has truly set in and it's almost acceptable to conceded. The whole defensive unit needs pretty much disbanding and starting again with some fresh faces pre season. I'd keep Maxwell, I have no issues with Mitchell either. The defence we had under Saunders was a proper defence where everyone knew their limitations but did their jobs and defended as if their lives depended on it. Need to get back to basics.
Newcastle used to let in goals left right and center ,under Howe no one of the back 4 plus goal keeper are under 6ft 2 and the goals conceeded has almost dried up
Ha not quite, Kieran Trippier is tiny, must only be about 5”9!
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If we lose today:
Schofield - 16 points from 12 games @ 1.33ppg
McSheffrey - 21 points from 14 games @ 1.5ppg
Adjusting this after today:
Schofield - 16 points from 13 games @ 1.23ppg
McSheffrey - 21 points from 14 games @ 1.5ppg
It is now not possible for Schofield to match the record McSheffrey had this season from the same games.
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