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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: mushRTID on January 28, 2023, 04:27:19 pm
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No comment.
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It’s not much use picking on any single player. The entire defensive unit has been terrible for two seasons now. Not just bad, but excruciatingly embarrassingly bad. All of them, terrible.
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He's not good enough I'm afraid. No idea why GK wasn't a priority in the summer.
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We are very good at making a bad situation worse !!
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Shocking totally his fault
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It's all down to money.
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It’s not much use picking on any single player. The entire defensive unit has been terrible for two seasons now. Not just bad, but excruciatingly embarrassingly bad. All of them, terrible.
Agree. Anderson let it bounce, Williams was too casual and Mitchell in no man's land. Maxwell is the only 1 I'd be looking at extending his contact
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It’s the same scenario most games now. Some piss poor defensive error early doors and then on the backfoot for rest of game. Before probably another defensive failure.
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It was like watching the f**king Marx Brothers trying to defend.
We are excruciatingly embarrassing.
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I'm sorry but I've ran out of patience with Anderson. He's had a bad time with injuries and doesn't help that he's got that shit show Williams at the side of him ( don't get me started on him ffs ) but he's gone at the game. He show's glimpses of his former form but that's about it. Was lucky not to get sent off .As for Nelson , nearly cost us 2 goals with bad passes no better than Faulkner.
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Very lucky not to be sent off. It was a shocking challenge.
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That is the worst I have seen Anderson play for us
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But we are a sustainable club :chair: :chair:
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But we are a sustainable club :chair: :chair:
No one is going to buy a financial basket case of a club.
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Anderson who apparently we want to tie down to a new contract. Seriously, what the hell?? He’s garbage and one of the first names we need to get shot of.
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Mitchell lobbed again shock horror.
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Also let’s cut the cr.. on Mitchell, he may not be the best keeper we have had, but for this level and above he is more than ok. We have had some very, very good keepers on unsustainable loans!
The goal was not his fault, it was the defenders.
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Also let’s cut the cr.. on Mitchell, he may not be the best keeper we have had, but for this level and above he is more than ok. We have had some very, very good keepers on unsustainable loans!
The goal was not his fault, it was the defenders.
Mitchell gets unfair criticism but was in no man's land for the goal. Anderson and Williams equally at fault.
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Mitchell could have claimed the cross for the first goal but dithered
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Also let’s cut the cr.. on Mitchell, he may not be the best keeper we have had, but for this level and above he is more than ok. We have had some very, very good keepers on unsustainable loans!
The goal was not his fault, it was the defenders.
Mitchell gets unfair criticism but was in no man's land for the goal. Anderson and Williams equally at fault.
But why was he in no man's land? He should have been on his line not coming out for a ball he was never going to get.
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Let’s be honest he’s awful. Lots on here claim he’s good enough, that’s fine we are all entitled to an opinion.
I don’t see any way he isn’t released in the summer. He’s crap.
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He’s an average (below average) keeper for this league that’s made to look better than he is because we have a piss poor defence that allows him to make a half a dozen (easy) saves a game. He’s not a good enough goalkeeper by any stretch and after he’s finished with us he’ll drift down the leagues.
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He needs doing under the trades description act. Absolute fraud
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Anderson should be allowed to leave, over many games he has proven to be a shadow of the player we signed. The goalkeeper has been decent overall but has no pressure on him for his place in the side.
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After that shitshow you blame Mitchell lol.
You don't rate him Mush, we get it.
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Also let’s cut the cr.. on Mitchell, he may not be the best keeper we have had, but for this level and above he is more than ok. We have had some very, very good keepers on unsustainable loans!
The goal was not his fault, it was the defenders.
more like he's OK for the money which is what gm said when he signed him
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May have been his fault for the goal but his save was unbelievable in the first half
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Also let’s cut the cr.. on Mitchell, he may not be the best keeper we have had, but for this level and above he is more than ok. We have had some very, very good keepers on unsustainable loans!
The goal was not his fault, it was the defenders.
more like he's OK for the money which is what gm said when he signed him
We get what we pay for.
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Also let’s cut the cr.. on Mitchell, he may not be the best keeper we have had, but for this level and above he is more than ok. We have had some very, very good keepers on unsustainable loans!
The goal was not his fault, it was the defenders.
more like he's OK for the money which is what gm said when he signed him
That's not quite what he said. GM was talking about getting value for money when adding to the squad and suggested that the money would be better invested in other areas and didn't feel spending money on a keeper was a priority.
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It was thenpin to deflate the balloon moment. We were bloody great atbthebstart of that second half. The manager really needs to rething just having George up front running everywhere. How can he be effective doing that
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Mitchell, Anderson, Ro Shaun and Seaman all horrific today.
All thankfully out of contract at the end of this season. Unless the club takes further leave of it’s senses.
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Much better when Lavery came on and as for the miss.... well least said about that but a clear penalty but not clear enough to the lino!
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Much better when Lavery came on and as for the miss.... well least said about that but a clear penalty but not clear enough to the lino!
Shocking miss. Miller is very short on confidence. He should have shot in the first half but laid it off to Charlie f*****g Seaman.
Anderson been a good player for us in general but his performance today reminded me of that container ship that got stuck in the Suez Canal. Time to go.
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I don't think Mitchell is terrible, far from it, but the number of goals we concede plus the number he has been, at least partly, culpable of recently mean it's beyond time for him to be taken out of the firing line, and to give our other senior goalkeeper a chance.
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Yeah 3rd goal got caught too fair out in no man’s land but Anderson shouldn’t have been beaten easily like he did,Akins bullied our defenders all game
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Mitchell could have claimed the cross for the first goal but dithered
wow there is blaming a player and then there is just coming out with blaming sumone for sake of it
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Mitchell, Anderson, Ro Shaun and Seaman all horrific today.
All thankfully out of contract at the end of this season. Unless the club takes further leave of it’s senses.
you also missed molyneux out
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Mitchell could have claimed the cross for the first goal but dithered
wow there is blaming a player and then there is just coming out with blaming sumone for sake of it
Watch it back and tell me why you disagree
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We need some proper leaders, defenders and players who will set high standards and ensure the others properly get stuck in. Too many nice lads.
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Mitchell, Anderson, Ro Shaun and Seaman all horrific today.
All thankfully out of contract at the end of this season. Unless the club takes further leave of it’s senses.
But we have to replace them with better in the summer and our signings over the last two years are getting worse so what makes you think we can get better. We can only get value for the money we have which appears to be declining year on year especially when it comes to permanent signings
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Mitchell, Anderson, Ro Shaun and Seaman all horrific today.
All thankfully out of contract at the end of this season. Unless the club takes further leave of it’s senses.
But we have to replace them with better in the summer and our signings over the last two years are getting worse so what makes you think we can get better. We can only get value for the money we have which appears to be declining year on year especially when it comes to permanent signings
Hard to argue with that. I don’t know where our wage budget ranks in the division.
I wonder if Coppinger has a plan for summer and a list of potential targets? Or some sort of proactive method for identifying targets? Would be nice to hear from him.
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It's a manager we need to set us up better. We look all over the place at times. What are we working on all week? We need a proven league one league two manager. We have to stop the decline before it's to late or we will be another chesterfield and other side that have dropped like a stone from league one to the national league. Get some belief and confidence in our players and I'm sure most will do well in l2. I look at managers like Paul cook at chessi. How they got him yet we get someone with a handful of games in management or promoted from the youth team. It's not worked and will continue to not work.
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Mitchell could have claimed the cross for the first goal but dithered
wow there is blaming a player and then there is just coming out with blaming sumone for sake of it
Watch it back and tell me why you disagree
because if he came he wouldn’t of reached it
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Mitchell could have claimed the cross for the first goal but dithered
wow there is blaming a player and then there is just coming out with blaming sumone for sake of it
Watch it back and tell me why you disagree
because if he came he wouldn’t of reached it
I disagree he had plenty of time and space to reach it, unlike the 3rd goal where he came and got nowhere near reaching it
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The frustration with Mitchell. Is at 2v1 we looked like we were going to come back but then he gives them a goal like that and kills everything
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We need a better keeper now and Mitchell at No 2 Jones can go on loan. He may be cost effective money wise but he is costing us points the defence have their problems but he is one of them. The third goal was a joke coming off his line again .
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Mitchell could have claimed the cross for the first goal but dithered
wow there is blaming a player and then there is just coming out with blaming sumone for sake of it
Watch it back and tell me why you disagree
because if he came he wouldn’t of reached it
I disagree he had plenty of time and space to reach it, unlike the 3rd goal where he came and got nowhere near reaching it
I agree on 3rd as if he is coming he has to get there and is caught in no man’s land and can’t even get back unlike not being at fault for orient and Rochdales goals,but fault can also lay with Anderson aswell with it being poor defending by Anderson for letting Akins get into that position from a kick from their keeper
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Not having watched thr highlights my reaction for the 3rd was Mitchel came expecting the ball to be played back to him by whichever CB, when they didn't play it back that left him stranded
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Not having watched thr highlights my reaction for the 3rd was Mitchel came expecting the ball to be played back to him by whichever CB, when they didn't play it back that left him stranded
I've just watched em Raven, he shouldn't have been where he was but the defence again got beat by a simple punt upfield by their keeper.
Not sure why I watched tbh, the goals get worse every viewing.
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We were right back in it at 2-1, 3rd goal defence was all over the place but Mitchell shouldn't have come that far out, no man's land
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We were right back in it at 2-1, 3rd goal defence was all over the place but Mitchell shouldn't have come that far out, no man's land
no but it wasn’t just Mitchell’s fault,it was a simple punt upfield and just of been dealt with
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Can’t really see what Williams did wrong yesterday
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Can’t really see what Williams did wrong yesterday
Not too much, got done too easily for their fourth though, I think it was.
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Mindst you the time it took for their keeper to finally punt it long should have been an indirect free kick to us. But when was the last time you saw a ref penalise a keeoer for keeping it too long, is 6 seconds still the law?
Done now Filo :-]]
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Mindst you the time it took for theur keeoer to finally punt it long shoyld have been an indirect free kick to us. But when was the last time you saw a ref penakise a keeoer for keeping it too long, is 6 seconds still the law?
You on the pop raven? Lol!
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RR I have asked that question to the point I googled it and can’t see that it isn’t.
The ref spoke to their keeper early in the game about hurrying up then did nothing about it
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There is no way on Earth that the first goal is down to Mitchell. The cross is delivered in such a way that it would tempt him to think about going for it but realising it is too high and too far away from him, and moving further away from him as well. You could lay the blame on Seaman who lets their number 16 go past him and hit the ball across goal.
If Mitchell had gone for the cross and not got it he would have been stranded five yards wide of his post and people would have had a go at him for going for a ball he shouldn’t have gone for.
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There is no way on Earth that the first goal is down to Mitchell. The cross is delivered in such a way that it would tempt him to think about going for it but realising it is too high and too far away from him, and moving further away from him as well. You could lay the blame on Seaman who lets their number 16 go past him and hit the ball across goal.
If Mitchell had gone for the cross and not got it he would have been stranded five yards wide of his post and people would have had a go at him for going for a ball he shouldn’t have gone for.
25 secs on the clock, looping cross swinging away from him, I don't blame him for deciding not to go for it. Trouble was Seaman decided he wanted no part in the action and ran away from the ball.
Yes, he made a poor decision to come out for the third to narrow the angle but suffered one of those "oh sh*t" moments when he realised he'd over committed just asking to be lobbed. I've seen alot worse acts of stupidity.
Just a collective calamity from the defence when the wheels came off.
You wonder about the mental prep being in front of big crowd got got to them.
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Mindst you the time it took for theur keeoer to finally punt it long shoyld have been an indirect free kick to us. But when was the last time you saw a ref penakise a keeoer for keeping it too long, is 6 seconds still the law?
You on the pop raven? Lol!
Lost me on that one Filo
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Mindst you the time it took for theur keeoer to finally punt it long shoyld have been an indirect free kick to us. But when was the last time you saw a ref penakise a keeoer for keeping it too long, is 6 seconds still the law?
You on the pop raven? Lol!
Lost me on that one Filo
The spelling in that post
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Mindst you the time it took for theur keeoer to finally punt it long shoyld have been an indirect free kick to us. But when was the last time you saw a ref penakise a keeoer for keeping it too long, is 6 seconds still the law?
yes it is but but they always give them longer but agree yesterday must of had it nearly 20 seconds
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Mitchell could have claimed the cross for the first goal but dithered
Filo I have watched it back several times and no way was that Mitchell’s ball. It was actually further away from him than I originally thought. It was whipped in with pace and curl. If there was any fault it was Mitchell not shouting to Anderson to leave it. Any touch on the ball could end in an OG & it did.
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Mitchell could have claimed the cross for the first goal but dithered
Filo I have watched it back several times and no way was that Mitchell’s ball. It was ctually further away from him than I originally thought. It was wiped in with pace and curl. If there was any fault it was Mitchell not shouting to Anderson to leave it. Amy touch on the ball could end in an OG & it did.
Camps, I’m not sure that there was enough time, from the ball being hit across the face of goal by the Mansfield 16 to Anderson deflecting the ball into the goal, for Mitchell to even think about shouting for Tom to leave it, never mind actually shouting it. It was literally a nano second.
These things happen and with hindsight every goal is stoppable.
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There is no way on Earth that the first goal is down to Mitchell. The cross is delivered in such a way that it would tempt him to think about going for it but realising it is too high and too far away from him, and moving further away from him as well. You could lay the blame on Seaman who lets their number 16 go past him and hit the ball across goal.
If Mitchell had gone for the cross and not got it he would have been stranded five yards wide of his post and people would have had a go at him for going for a ball he shouldn’t have gone for.
Correct. Just seen your post hound. I have just posted the same.
I know you were not a keeper hound but there seems to be a few on here who don’t know too much about goal keeping. That is not intended to be disrespectful.
I think when you have been a keeper yourself you know when the keeper has messed up and when it wasn’t his fault.
1st goal no way was it Mitchell’s ball. 3rd goal a total mess up between Anderson, Williams and Mitchell.
Mitchell came off his line because he was expecting his defenders to deal with that long ball. I do agree he came out a little too far too quickly having watched it several times. But the defenders were the main culprits.
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Mitchell could have claimed the cross for the first goal but dithered
Filo I have watched it back several times and no way was that Mitchell’s ball. It was ctually further away from him than I originally thought. It was wiped in with pace and curl. If there was any fault it was Mitchell not shouting to Anderson to leave it. Amy touch on the ball could end in an OG & it did.
Camps, I’m not sure that there was enough time, from the ball being hit across the face of goal by the Mansfield 16 to Anderson deflecting the ball into the goal, for Mitchell to even think about shouting for Tom to leave it, never mind actually shouting it. It was literally a nano second.
These things happen and with hindsight every goal is stoppable.
great ball in,it was molyneux who. Was at fault the way he lost the ball for them to get on the attack in the 1st place,surprised no one has mentioned about the 2nd being handball though either and only abit of appeal by I think Biggins
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Mitchell could have claimed the cross for the first goal but dithered
Filo I have watched it back several times and no way was that Mitchell’s ball. It was ctually further away from him than I originally thought. It was wiped in with pace and curl. If there was any fault it was Mitchell not shouting to Anderson to leave it. Amy touch on the ball could end in an OG & it did.
Camps, I’m not sure that there was enough time, from the ball being hit across the face of goal by the Mansfield 16 to Anderson deflecting the ball into the goal, for Mitchell to even think about shouting for Tom to leave it, never mind actually shouting it. It was literally a nano second.
These things happen and with hindsight every goal is stoppable.
Yes you’re right hound
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Fat fingers
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Can’t really see what Williams did wrong yesterday
I was being unfair there I think, he didn’t make mistakes like the others. I’m just tired of his complete lack of any commanding presence and physicality as a centre back.
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It wasnt handball from what I saw, hit his chest. Great strike though.
I thought on the day Mitchell could have come for the first, but its curling away.. keepers nightmare really, if he doesnt get it its an easy tap in. The third kinds of sums this seasons defending up. Akins bullied us, they looked better on the ball than we did in the first half.
I am not a fan of his but he is what we have, I dont see another keeper coming in. I think the lack of confidence in the back 4/5 and keeper is killing us.
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They’ve lost two of their best players, yet we still went there and got tonked. How many times does that happen with us? We aren’t good enough to take advantage of weaknesses in sides. We had decent possession but did nothing with it. Only looking any sort of danger when things were changed second half.
Talking to each other seems a major problem in our side. Communication is a basic, surely somebody back there is capable of organising the other’s defensively?
We were punished for every mistake made.
Possession of a ball is good if you do something with it, it guarantees you nothing.
We have to be good enough to keep it but also create chances. Too many scared to take charge and run the game.
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Simple answer, drop him and give Jones a game
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Simple answer, drop him and give Jones a game
No I don’t believe that’s an option we need a better No. 1 Keeper
We have needed a good No 1 keeper since we Seny Dieng returned to QPR. We’ve needed a good centre midfield player since Whiteman left . Both are still required and we might start to progress again.
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All 3 were at fault. Mitchell came out far too far, too quickly, if he didn't think he could get to the ball he shouldn't have been there.
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Where's a Sulli when you need one? I remember, playing for somebody else because we are "sustainable".
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Surprised nobody is praising his performance from last night - thought the lad had an excellent game.
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Surprised nobody is praising his performance from last night - thought the lad had an excellent game.
To be fair, he did nothing more than you would expect from a competent keeper
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He did have a good performance last night as I stated on another post. Just very slow in releasing the ball and kicking is rubbish but good shot stopper.
Another note is Jones and Bottomley injured?
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Surprised nobody is praising his performance from last night - thought the lad had an excellent game.
As I have said on another thread he did all the basics (coming for crosses, positioning etc) very well & pulled off some cracking saves, the best of which was him tipping a shot onto the bar in the 2nd half. As Filo said a competent performance. He is a good solid lge 2 keeper and if we are likely to be in this lge next season we should be looking to offer him a contract extension in my opinion.
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if only he hadn't fumbled that shot which resulted in Tommy Rowe getting crocked.
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if only he hadn't fumbled that shot which resulted in Tommy Rowe getting crocked.
I think unfortunately for Tommy if it wasn't that one then the next clash along would see him crocked again, it looks like time and injuries have taken their toll of a very good player for us.
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I don't think it was the foul that did for him. A couple of minutes later, he made a strong run into the inside left position and suddenly pulled up holding his calf.
Hopefully it's just a mild strain.
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I thought Tommy was injured in the coming together with Mitchell, not sure how JM could have dealt any better with it tbh.
I was amazed at how long it took us to finally get Olowu on with Tommy obviously struggling-he was called back when the penalty area incident first happened
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if only he hadn't fumbled that shot which resulted in Tommy Rowe getting crocked.
Ffs!
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I listened to his post match interview after the Tranni game
and he said it was either nice or was it unusual to be at a club for more than a year and as you all know by now it is my "labour :zzz: of love to spot mistakes "
it turned out in a way he was right
looking at clubs he went to on loan they were what i call central England --- assuming he has a wife she might well get Pi$$ed off moving to all these clubs ....... despite Hartlepool being near his home town ?
maybe that was why Hartlepool let him go so soon (personal problems) after spending 7 years at Derby and being loaned out like a library book.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Mitchell_(footballer)
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Had an excellent game yesterday, made 2/3 brilliant saves and claimed a lot of crosses late on to take pressure off the defence. His distribution is getting better aswell, was once where he could’ve threw it to molyneux but looking back I understand why he didn’t.
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Had an excellent game yesterday, made 2/3 brilliant saves and claimed a lot of crosses late on to take pressure off the defence. His distribution is getting better aswell, was once where he could’ve threw it to molyneux but looking back I understand why he didn’t.
Yes, I remember that incident. He thought about throwing the ball out but recognised that it might be risky and so changed his mind.
Had he thrown the ball out and it was intercepted then some people would have jumped on the opportunity to crucify him.
If he was unsure whether it was safe then he was right not to take the risk.
He had another solid game last night.