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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: 1-0 to the Doncaster on January 28, 2023, 09:44:36 pm
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A simple 4-4-2 would get much more out these players.
We do not have have the quality for a supposed 3-4-3 which has never worked and is always a 5-4-1 with panic.
Simple structure which players understand for league 2 football.
A proper keeper wouldn't go a miss either. Loads of them available in transfer window, easiest position to recruit.
4 at the back means we have the option of not playing Ro-Shaun Williams. He should never play again this season.
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Easy on FM
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A simple 4-4-2 would get much more out these players.
We do not have have the quality for a supposed 3-4-3 which has never worked and is always a 5-4-1 with panic.
Simple structure which players understand for league 2 football.
A proper keeper wouldn't go a miss either. Loads of them available in transfer window, easiest position to recruit.
4 at the back means we have the option of not playing Ro-Shaun Williams. He should never play again this season.
1, We don't have the quality to play 442.
2, We play 521 because we have no quality.
3, Nothing is simple when you don't have quality players.
4, We could barely afford the one we have, where do we get the money for another one, who would take our current one off us?
5, Amazingly over the length of the season so far RSW has been the stand out centre half the we have fielded in a number of matches.
Basically you are questioning the wrong suspects, DS and JC are competing with their hands tired firmly behind their backs, you need to look further up the food ladder.
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1, We don't have the quality to play 442.
2, We play 521 because we have no quality.
3, Nothing is simple when you don't have quality players.
4, We could barely afford the one we have, where do we get the money for another one, who would take our current one off us?
5, Amazingly over the length of the season so far RSW has been the stand out centre half the we have fielded in a number of matches.
Basically you are questioning the wrong suspects, DS and JC are competing with their hands tired firmly behind their backs, you need to look further up the food ladder.
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we don't play 5-2-1
RSW is hardly the stand out centre half - he's abysmal.
And our keeper is really really poor - which has been obvious since his debut against Rotherham.
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Disagree. 343 is not a way to try play with poor quality.
If you lack quality you keep it simple and try to play in the oppositions half. Burnley didn’t stay in the prem all those years because they had great players. Then aimed to be the best in both penalty boxes in a game. Like we did when we were champions of L1. I’m not saying we should become a direct team, it won’t suit the player, but play a way that lets us get players forward. We will concede goals it’s a fact so we have to score 2-3 goals to win.
It’s easy on FM to get rubbish players playing fancy formations that work well in the coaches training courses. In reality you end up with a striker getting very few opportunities a game
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Disagree. 343 is not a way to try play with poor quality.
If you lack quality you keep it simple and try to play in the oppositions half. Burnley didn’t stay in the prem all those years because they had great players. Then aimed to be the best in both penalty boxes in a game. Like we did when we were champions of L1. I’m not saying we should become a direct team, it won’t suit the player, but play a way that lets us get players forward. We will concede goals it’s a fact so we have to score 2-3 goals to win.
It’s easy on FM to get rubbish players playing fancy formations that work well in the coaches training courses. In reality you end up with a striker getting very few opportunities a game
Have you ever played FM?
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1, We don't have the quality to play 442.
2, We play 521 because we have no quality.
3, Nothing is simple when you don't have quality players.
4, We could barely afford the one we have, where do we get the money for another one, who would take our current one off us?
5, Amazingly over the length of the season so far RSW has been the stand out centre half the we have fielded in a number of matches.
Basically you are questioning the wrong suspects, DS and JC are competing with their hands tired firmly behind their backs, you need to look further up the food ladder.
we don't play 5-2-1
RSW is hardly the stand out centre half - he's abysmal.
And our keeper is really really poor - which has been obvious since his debut against Rotherham.
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Initially i was going to say the 521 was obviously a typo but thinking about it we DO play like a 521.
Can you name me a centre half who has played well this season in more than a couple of matches?
Glad we agree on something, he cost us peanuts, where do we get one that actually costs us money and is better?
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Disagree. 343 is not a way to try play with poor quality.
If you lack quality you keep it simple and try to play in the oppositions half. Burnley didn’t stay in the prem all those years because they had great players. Then aimed to be the best in both penalty boxes in a game. Like we did when we were champions of L1. I’m not saying we should become a direct team, it won’t suit the player, but play a way that lets us get players forward. We will concede goals it’s a fact so we have to score 2-3 goals to win.
It’s easy on FM to get rubbish players playing fancy formations that work well in the coaches training courses. In reality you end up with a striker getting very few opportunities a game
Have you ever played FM?
Not got a few years now but was well into it at one point.
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I’ll answer the question posed in the thread title, the answer is yes
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Now
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Ds should go Monday morning. I don't think coops is to blame imo. Way our last appointments have gone copps will probably get offered the job. I just pray he don't take it as I'd hate his name get tarnished.
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Ds should go Monday morning. I don't think coops is to blame imo. Way our last appointments have gone copps will probably get offered the job. I just pray he don't take it as I'd hate his name get tarnished.
Don’t be ridiculous.
The last thing we need is another managerial change. DS has only been in the job 3 months.
This is not his team. Give him time to build his squad this summer.
Clear out some dead wood. We do have some good players just not enough of them at present.
Based on today Brown and Lavery look decent. Maybe we can get Brown on a permanent in the summer if he looks the part.
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Maybe I am been harsh but I just don't think things will change under our current owners and he will eventually end up getting the sack and we will of wasted time. We need a leader, a proven lower league manager who has worked with a small budget. And no I don't have any suggestions but I'm sure there are some out of work who we could get. I hope I'm wrong and I never normally call for the manager sacked so soon but he was the wrong choice. I hope I'm wrong and have to eat humble pie.
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Ds should go Monday morning. I don't think coops is to blame imo. Way our last appointments have gone copps will probably get offered the job. I just pray he don't take it as I'd hate his name get tarnished.
Copps actually head hunted DS, if he’d been available in the summer GM would have been sacked then, as soon as DS became available GM was gone so yeah Copps is responsible not that I believe either should go, it would be nice for Copps to come out and say what they are trying to achieve but I’m not going to hold my breath on that. What I will be asking will depend on what happens after the window closes because with 3 weeks preparation today was totally unacceptable
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I said it before.
Copps instigated the HOF job, for himself. Right place, right time, right credentials.
Legend player.
Failing HOF as it stands, and waste of money.
Happy to be proved wrong.
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If it was me I'd look to play more direct.Miller's not necessarily a target man, but I'd be working on picking up the 2nd ball in the final third. Hurst , Molyneux & Biggins are dangerous around the box
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We don't play 5-2-1. It just felt like we did today.
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It’s a very simple proposition, but should we not expect a good coach to get more out of the less talented players, rather than effectively say they are incapable of improvement? Has he improved any of the players he inherited?
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Easy on FM
The opposite. 3-2-2-2-1 system with high pressing inside forwards with a complete centre forward and playmaking central midfielders alongside a box to box midfielder supported by 2 wing backs instructed to play the ball inside and shoot on sight leaving behind a three man defence with a sweeper keeper is much easier on FM as apposed to real life.
4-4-2 on the other hand seems easier in real life than it would on FM.
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I thought the 2nd half formation looked promising enough. Maxwell and Brown are wingbacks so can’t really do a back 4.
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Can’t really blame DS for yesterday, individual errors to blame in my opinion.
Really thought we would win when we pulled it back to 2-1, well for a couple of minutes.
We played like we’d not had a game for weeks.
Not sure about Nelson but the other newbies looked decent
Sounds like there may be more incomings yet
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Can’t really blame DS for yesterday, individual errors to blame in my opinion.
Really thought we would win when we pulled it back to 2-1, well for a couple of minutes.
We played like we’d not had a game for weeks.
Not sure about Nelson but the other newbies looked decent
Sounds like there may be more incomings yet
The buck stops with Schofield, he sets up the squad ,leaves better players out of the starting line up , Can’t really blame DS for yesterday, individual errors to blame in my opinion.
Really thought we would win when we pulled it back to 2-1, well for a couple of minutes.
We played like we’d not had a game for weeks.
Not sure about Nelson but the other newbies looked decent
Sounds like there may be more incomings yet
he prepares the team tactics , he supposed motivate a team that’s being followed by over 1600 away fans . YES he is to be blamed !!!
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This thread keeps drifting off topic. I may have been the first one to question the performance of our great legend but then I had good reason. One might simply ask what has he achieved ? It's looking a lot like a jobs for the boys appointment.
Sorry for the plain speaking but I was born and bred in Yorkshire and can't help it.
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What better players did we have ? Basing it on the previous games Seaman played really well as has Molyneux. Both corrected at half time
If the players get motivate themselves in front of that support they are in the wrong profession
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I thought the 2nd half formation looked promising enough. Maxwell and Brown are wingbacks so can’t really do a back 4.
Go back to the Bremner days, Billy Russell and Glyn Snodin, the full backs played like wingbacks back then
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This thread keeps drifting off topic. I may have been the first one to question the performance of our great legend but then I had good reason. One might simply ask what has he achieved ? It's looking a lot like a jobs for the boys appointment.
Sorry for the plain speaking but I was born and bred in Yorkshire and can't help it.
I agree. It is time to ask what has DS and JC done, not drift into what people think needs to be done. I think he should have improved what he inherited and it would be useful to know from those who are able to go to games whether he has. Recruiting players of his own choice is only part of the job.
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I thought the 2nd half formation looked promising enough. Maxwell and Brown are wingbacks so can’t really do a back 4.
Go back to the Bremner days, Billy Russell and Glyn Snodin, the full backs played like wingbacks back then
Yes and so did O’Connor and Roberts.
If you have 2 good accomplished mobile centre backs and a strong midfield then in a flat back 4 your full backs can push forward, usually though one at a time depending which side of the pitch you have possession.
Our problem is our centre backs are not as good as Mills and Shakell. Not even Hird and Lockwood. Or McCombe & Jones.
Our midfield is a million miles away from Stock, Wellens, Green, Coppinger, Oster, Woods. Or any combination of 4 of those 6. They are not even on the same planet as Keegan, Furman, Coppinger, Cotterill, Lundstrum, Bennett. Or any combination of 4 of those 6.
So to cut a long story short ( apologies ) that is why we have the security of 3 centre backs and 2 wing backs.
If we play the system of 4 wide players as we did 1st half yesterday we are going to be in big trouble because we are exposed in the middle of the park.
If DS comes to his senses and plays the 3-4-1-2 as he did most of the 2nd half with Hurst in the hole or almost a free role then we have the ability to hurt teams.
Defensively though we have a problem because none of our 3 centre backs look solid and assured for 90+ mins in any game. There is always at least 1 massive clanger which costs us a goal or 3 goals as yesterday.
Olowu needs to be back in the team asap. I do think him and Faulkner are our future.
Get rid of Williams & Long. Jury out on Anderson as he needs to step up to where he was before his injury.
If he is unable to be Thayer same player again then we need a new experience player in there. A leader a proper mister.
Ollie Younger is worth persevering with when he returns, but he is not that big commanding leader centre back we need.
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Don’t get why ppl think sacking schofield would change anything, he’s doing a good job imo, got us playing a style of football which is enjoyable to watch. On another day we would’ve got something out of that game and possibly won it (when hurst scored I was confident we were gonna win and would’ve done imo if not for the f**k up by Anderson and Mitchell.
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I think the two up top is key. Lavery looks really decent based on that half, and combined well with Hurst and Miller regularly. it puts us on the front foot.
First half we had the Southgate-special of back five with two holders (Close and Biggins) and it just felt like we were inviting pressure on an already wobbly defence.
We've had most success this year when taking the game to the oppo, it's not time to change manager but he has to be much more pragmatic and get us up the pitch. 4-3-3 my formation of choice - Close, Biggins, Lakin Rowe giving good 'holder' options and Miller, Hurst and Lavery as first choice with Molyneux and Miller II to cover.
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Don’t get why ppl think sacking schofield would change anything, he’s doing a good job imo, got us playing a style of football which is enjoyable to watch. On another day we would’ve got something out of that game and possibly won it (when hurst scored I was confident we were gonna win and would’ve done imo if not for the f**k up by Anderson and Mitchell.
Well said Bailey
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Back on what Copps and DS have actually achieved.
I’d say that it’s very early for DS and imo we have improved performance wise compared to GM. The defeat v Mansfield seems bad because we had so long without a game. We are very inconsistent but DS is consistent in how he wants us to play and what he asks of the players. We make some terrible individual errors which doesn’t help. So in summary he’s achieved nothing yet but I don’t think he’s hopeless.
Copps as HoF can only be judged on manager appointments and signings really. See above about DS which I think eventually will work out. He got rid of GM at the right time but I’d argue he should never have had the job after relegation. That was weak from Copps. Should have cleaned house as soon as he got the job.
In terms of signings I think our worst players who are most likely to let us down were all signed before Copps. The summer signings are our better players. This Jan hasn’t been a playoff push window imo. Next summer will be key. Should have a full squad by then which Copps has lead the recruitment for.
If we can’t then be at the top of L2 then both manager and HoF need to go and be replaced by someone who has done the job before. I think we will be at the right end of the table though.
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Schofield for me I think has something. But we are again suffering the mistakes of an inexperienced manager as they learn on the job.
But we’ve got to stick with this one as I do feel he will turn out ok and we aren’t going to pay for experience, that much is clear.
I cannot understand why he started Seaman when he’d got a fit and ready right back in the building.
Miller needs support it’s bleeding obvious.
The goalkeeper and half the defence needs replacing but he will have a better go at that in the summer.
Hopefully some short term pain while he learns from these situations will lead to better days.
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Don’t get why ppl think sacking schofield would change anything, he’s doing a good job imo, got us playing a style of football which is enjoyable to watch. On another day we would’ve got something out of that game and possibly won it (when hurst scored I was confident we were gonna win and would’ve done imo if not for the f**k up by Anderson and Mitchell.
100% agree.
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It’s ok saying blame schofield!!!!,yes we got beat and he picks the team but can’t do much when it’s simple defending mistakes that’s costing us
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I don’t think the team was as bad as 4-1. They made basic errors and were punished for every one. There’s no doubt there is a lot of work needs doing defensively and offensively.
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Exactly individual errors cost us, we created naff all first half but second half we looked a much better side
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We need two up front one combative midfielder alongside a creator, winger either side. Defence that defends as a unit.
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I don't think anyone can question DS too much just yet, he's trying to create an attacking style of play with players he's inherited who are clearly unsuitable for that job, as and when he's able to integrate more of his own players into the team and squad we would have more of an idea about where the land lies, a summer window and pre season should give us a more reliable impression of this.
Initial impressions are all good i thought, each of the new players showed promise and progress on what we have, that's got to be positive, if we can consolidate an attacking formation that allows Miller and Lavery to play together then from yesterdays first outing it looked much more positive and credible, but for some really poor finishing and awful defending we could of taken the match at 2-1 and gone onto win, this board would of read very different.
The side that finished the match with Olowu in for any of the back three should be his starting point as i fear Close may be missing some games and Moly is becoming a real worry as to where and when he can start to show us his true abilities.