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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: silent majority on February 03, 2023, 03:05:04 pm
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Is up on the DRFC website;
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/coppinger-transfer-window-review/
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“With the resources that we had, it’s been difficult and challenging”
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Oh god. Why did he say that even if true. The whole interview is just throwing petrol on the Netto FC fire.
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well if that's how it is , that's how is. Nothing the supporters can do , apart from turning up 8n more numbers, maybe.
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Oh god. Why did he say that even if true. The whole interview is just throwing petrol on the Netto FC fire.
Cos its true. Even our legend and Head of Football is saying it as it is. Time to get your head out of the sand.
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
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At the risk of upsetting Copps stalwarts i thought that was a really poor effort..
We have so many out of contract players and not all will be offered deals, We have brought in loan players bar 1 in January and lost one of our best players to a rival as our ambition didn't match his.
Coppinger needs to be explaining what he thinks our LONG term strategy is as a club as we will be faced with yet another rebuild from scratch job when the loans go back,players get released and other we want to keep move on regardless.
Maybe i'm being to harsh on him as obviously he is trying to be as diplomatic as possible with what he's been given by our out of touch owner,chairman and CEO who are quite happy to see us being a bottom half league 2 side..
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It’s not a good interview is it. Talks about long term planning and yet we signed 4 loanees and a 30 year old journeyman from non league. I don’t feel very optimistic after reading it especially considering the “with our resources it’s been challenging”
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“With the resources that we had, it’s been difficult and challenging”
Changes needed
Trust you to see that interview as a negative.
Give me strength. Everything Copps said in that interview was a positive.
If you’re not happy with our playing budget then you better empty your bank account.
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It’s not a good interview is it. Talks about long term planning and yet we signed 4 loanees and a 30 year old journeyman from non league. I don’t feel very optimistic after reading it especially considering the “with our resources it’s been challenging”
Donnybax please tell me what calibre of player you expected us to sign in January.
How many clubs in League 2 have signed proven quality players on permanent deals in January.
Come on then list them please.
When I see your comprehensive list then I will happily apologise.
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Well we can’t work with resources we haven’t got can we
Positive statement from Copps but no matter what anyone says some people are going to dig for negativity
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Why not listen to DM about the January window and why it was so bad for all clubs;
https://twitter.com/robstaton/status/1621516222813831176
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At the risk of upsetting Copps stalwarts i thought that was a really poor effort..
We have so many out of contract players and not all will be offered deals, We have brought in loan players bar 1 in January and lost one of our best players to a rival as our ambition didn't match his.
Coppinger needs to be explaining what he thinks our LONG term strategy is as a club as we will be faced with yet another rebuild from scratch job when the loans go back,players get released and other we want to keep move on regardless.
Maybe i'm being to harsh on him as obviously he is trying to be as diplomatic as possible with what he's been given by our out of touch owner,chairman and CEO who are quite happy to see us being a bottom half league 2 side..
Yes of course they are happy to see us bottom half league 2.
Are you serious?
Well if we win our games in hand we could be in the play off places. 15th in the league is not relevant given we have not played as many games as most teams above us.
Look how tight that league table is above us.
We have a 6 point cushion to 16th place.
There is some serious moaning going on which isn’t justified. Yes we all want promotion this season of course we do.
It is still possible this season. But if it does not happen then next season it NEEDS to happen.
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We can pick bones out of the interview but it is what it is.
We will only know if with the resources we had we’ve got the players to Bounce back decisively. I don’t mind the loans because if we are not paying undisclosed fees then loans are better than permanents last January should have shown us that.
There have been numerous League 2 clubs both above around and below us that have paid undisclosed fees for players.
The only way we will know if we are going in the right direction and good decisions have been made is where we finish in the league.
Also how many players sign contracts they are offered.
We don’t get it right then next summer will be worst and that’s when I fear relegation will occur. So Copps Blunt and DS you’ve got a big 3.5 months to turn this club round otherwise you will have failed
As I’ve said before you have to have the right funds to get a good level of player Copps as said it been challenging.
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
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It’s not a good interview is it. Talks about long term planning and yet we signed 4 loanees and a 30 year old journeyman from non league. I don’t feel very optimistic after reading it especially considering the “with our resources it’s been challenging”
Donnybax please tell me what calibre of player you expected us to sign in January.
How many clubs in League 2 have signed proven quality players on permanent deals in January.
Come on then list them please.
When I see your comprehensive list then I will happily apologise.
my comment was about the long term planning part of it. How long had we scouted Lavery for? He’d scored 1 goal before December for Scunthorpe so it can’t be that long can it?
I have no real issue with us adding loanees in January, we had plenty it space in our squad to add some and it’s what I expected us to do in January. But you can’t sign all loanees and a journeyman striker and then bang on about long term strategy, it doesn’t add up.
I don’t really feel it’s my place really to be suggesting players to the club or yourself unless I’m mistaken? It would be a bit difficult when I have absolutely no idea what our budget is and I don’t really understand your point. I don’t see the interview as a positive and you do. We have a difference of opinion that could be discussed, I don’t see why you need to be a smart arse.
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I agree with SM. Why do we pick one sentence “ comment” & concentrate on that.
Copps, DS & Gavin can only work with the tools/monies they are provided with. There’s been the clammer to hear from Copps & now we’ve been told. Did he refuse to answer, did he lie ? Nor from what I saw & heard.
Simple, if you don’t want to know the answer, then don’t ask the question. He & others have been honest….don’t shoot them for telling the truth.
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Did I listen to a different interview.
Flabbergasted at the comments regarding this interview.
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“Process and strategies”. You can’t believe in processes and “momentum”, contradicting thought concepts in my opinion.
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Writing off this season, not lumbering us with more overpriced dead wood unlikely to improve us to the level we need, so we can get players who fit with the new strategy in summer, is long term planning. Whether it works or not remains to be seen.
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There are positives in what he says. The biggest being looking to get players that fit how we want to play and that shows a bit more strategy than just getting players in. That's exactly what we should be doing.
I'd also say the clear thought on who they want to keep is a positive but they need to get them nailed down and shift the ones who don't fit.
The negative in it is the comment on resource, but I think we've done that to death and we all probably agree we need more resource.
Overall the success of the window will be defined on Saturday and Tuesdays over the next 3 months. If we have a strong finish to the season it's a step forward. On the pitch that's what I want to see the next 3 months, progress and a way of playing to build for next season. Off the pitch I'd like to see moves to unlock more funding, how that comes about has and will be done to death.
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Writing off this season, not lumbering us with more overpriced dead wood unlikely to improve us to the level we need, so we can get players who fit with the new strategy in summer, is long term planning. Whether it works or not remains to be seen.
Don’t think the season has been written off but you are correct MM we will not be lumbered with many players next season the HoF and head coach don’t want. That’s a good thing is it not.
There is simply no pleasing some people.
If we signed Messi there are some would say he is too old and has no re sale value. I simply despair.
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?
The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!
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We can't keep "writing off" seasons. We've done that at least twice in the last 4 years. A club that knows what it's doing will have a plan in place for setbacks (like a manager or player leaving) and will take it in it's stride.
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?
The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!
Exactly. Maybe if we all knew there’d be no issue then ?
Difference is many of us don’t know they’ve even changed the way that they used to submit the accounts.
We never hear from the chairman.
I mean going off what most fans see on the pitch we aren’t good enough. As well as the choices we continually go down when recruiting staff similarly.
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I personally thought the interview was poor, give nothing away really, has to back the club and the transfer business.
I think we all know maybe 1 or 2 will be offered new contracts but the rest we will all be glad to see the back of!
I don’t see much value in trying to pay over the odds for players to get in the winter window just for the sake of it, 2 years we have done that. And look where it’s got us!
We need a total reset (well almost) and our best chance is doing that in the summer when there’s a much larger pool of players to pick from.
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Whatever resources clubs have, I would be shocked if any of them found the transfer window anything but difficult and challenging.
He also mentioned balancing the short, medium and long term which to me means we have to be agile and resourceful enough to deal with short term issues (injuries for example) trying to maintain squad strength, depth etc which means a mix of loans, short term and long term contracts. To put all our eggs in one basket would be foolish as we could carry too many contracted players that we don't want.
I was thinking the formal 12 week review period seems quite long but then again, Copps has to allow DS to get on with the job without being a parrot on his shoulder. No doubt they have plenty of informal chats in the meantime.
He doesn't look like a man who's struggling to get to grips with the role and he reinforces our desire to play good football with a good mix of young talent guided by more 'experienced' pros.
Maybe I would like a little more detail on a couple of things but overall I was content with what he said.
As he said, it's all about actions now on the pitch and trying to get some momentum which we've been starved of for too long.
Edit. One thing I will say is Robbie needs to change his interview technique. I'm fed up of him asking leading questions often framing the response with answers rather than allowing the interviewee answer freely. This just leads folk to believe it's a going through the motions interview.
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I thought Copps handled the interview well without giving much away .The recruitment does looks to be good and if the style of play is as we played the 2nd half, without the silly errors, on Saturday I am quite enthused
Take away those sillly defensive errors from the 2nd half on Saturday and I was quite excited by the way we played going forward. Mansfield were on the ropes at 2-1 we ripped theiir defence a good one playing to feet and on the floor. The 3rd goal killed that momentum but we still created a number of chances to get us back in the game after that.
Play like the 2nd half without the silly defensive errors tomorrow and 3 points will be coming our way JMHO
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?
The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!
Exactly. Maybe if we all knew there’d be no issue then ?
Difference is many of us don’t know they’ve even changed the way that they used to submit the accounts.
We never hear from the chairman.
I mean going off what most fans see on the pitch we aren’t good enough. As well as the choices we continually go down when recruiting staff similarly.
Well, at least somebody knows!! Is that a good thing? I'm not sure how the club is supposed to deal with that. We, as the VSC, have always had these in depth discussions about the financial picture of the club, after all it's what you'd expect a supporters trust to concentrate on and we've always reported on what we've seen.
Yes the accounts have changed, and I did ask the question as to why when you asked me the last time. I'm expecting a more detailed response from the FD at the club but initially the response I've had so far suggests the tactic is designed to shield our finances from other clubs and deter them from prying too much. In negotiations with others it does help if the others are not too familiar with your profit/loss each season.
Yes, we never hear from the Chairman. I go along with that, he should do much more than he does.
Yes, if we just base our opinions on what we see on the pitch then most would agree we're getting something wrong.
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“With the resources that we had, it’s been difficult and challenging”
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I doubt there's a single manager, or HoF or DoF, in the country who would say they have enough money to do their job.
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“With the resources that we had, it’s been difficult and challenging”
Changes needed
Trust you to see that interview as a negative.
Give me strength. Everything Copps said in that interview was a positive.
If you’re not happy with our playing budget then you better empty your bank account.
I would rather copps said it how it is, what has annoyed most people is the constant tripe that we have a top 6 budget when it clearly is not true, all we can do now Is get behind the team and hope the new players work out
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I don’t understand how we can have challenging resources now but at the start of the season we had a very competitive budget and what the club perceived to be the best midfield in League 2.
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?
The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!
Morecombe's budget was too. Are we in the top six for budgets ?
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Between 10 and 12
And in the playoffs
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Seems to me that the man isn’t happy at all, and not liking how is job is going at the club, I think he’s very limited with the budget and again don’t think he’s happy at all, wouldn’t be surprised to see him leave come season end.
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It could be that when he says "resources" he means the existing squad just as much as any budget. It would obviously be wrong of him to say some of the players aren't up to scratch even if we can see that, so maybe he's using the term "resources" in its whole context rather than only monetarily.
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It could be, Beerseller, and there again it could not.
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Signing two players with the same agent as DS undermines everything copps has said.
There are hundreds, if not thousands of football agents in the uk.
What are the chances of little old donny just happening to have three staff, a manager and two players, all with the same agent?
It tells me everything I need to know about player identification and recruitment.
But. It’s where we’re are at.
#rtid.
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Resources = playing budget/wages.
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How can copps say knoyle conducted himself professionally after that tweet?
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I’m all for the HoF role in theory. It’s vital at bigger clubs but listening to this I can’t help but think it’s wasted if we have no resources to use the expertise. Could have the best scouting network in the world but if you can’t fund signings it’s wasted.
The summer window is when we’ll hopefully see some out of him in terms of signings the right players long term.
Really hoping this summer is the last rebuild window for a while because it’s been like this every season since McCann left. And no surprise we’ve gone backwards every year.
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So it’s challenging to get good players on the budget we have, but the budget is one of the best in the league. Which is it, it can’t be both?
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Copps saying the words resources and challenging has been taken totally out of context.
What resources do all the other 23 league 2 clubs have. It’s challenging for all of them.
The way people jump on one line he used and ignored absolutely everything else he said is quite astounding.
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?
The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!
Exactly. Maybe if we all knew there’d be no issue then ?
Difference is many of us don’t know they’ve even changed the way that they used to submit the accounts.
We never hear from the chairman.
I mean going off what most fans see on the pitch we aren’t good enough. As well as the choices we continually go down when recruiting staff similarly.
Well, at least somebody knows!! Is that a good thing? I'm not sure how the club is supposed to deal with that. We, as the VSC, have always had these in depth discussions about the financial picture of the club, after all it's what you'd expect a supporters trust to concentrate on and we've always reported on what we've seen.
Yes the accounts have changed, and I did ask the question as to why when you asked me the last time. I'm expecting a more detailed response from the FD at the club but initially the response I've had so far suggests the tactic is designed to shield our finances from other clubs and deter them from prying too much. In negotiations with others it does help if the others are not too familiar with your profit/loss each season.
Yes, we never hear from the Chairman. I go along with that, he should do much more than he does.
Yes, if we just base our opinions on what we see on the pitch then most would agree we're getting something wrong.
That’s great to know, I’m glad that the FD is going to give us a more detailed response. I suppose the issue here is mainly communication then no?
Are the club doing enough communication wise?
I’d suggest not, there’s a lot of disgruntled fans out there. maybe Now is the time to have some dialogue. Obviously Martin you’re in the know many aren’t though. All we see is what’s happening on the pitch.
If you take a step back and watch what’s happening on the pitch, the “fan experience” on a match day at the eco. Forgetting what you know, what do you think would be your opinion on the club?
It’s certainly hard to look at it without the thoughts of cost cutting in more or less every aspect!
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?
The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!
Exactly. Maybe if we all knew there’d be no issue then ?
Difference is many of us don’t know they’ve even changed the way that they used to submit the accounts.
We never hear from the chairman.
I mean going off what most fans see on the pitch we aren’t good enough. As well as the choices we continually go down when recruiting staff similarly.
Well, at least somebody knows!! Is that a good thing? I'm not sure how the club is supposed to deal with that. We, as the VSC, have always had these in depth discussions about the financial picture of the club, after all it's what you'd expect a supporters trust to concentrate on and we've always reported on what we've seen.
Yes the accounts have changed, and I did ask the question as to why when you asked me the last time. I'm expecting a more detailed response from the FD at the club but initially the response I've had so far suggests the tactic is designed to shield our finances from other clubs and deter them from prying too much. In negotiations with others it does help if the others are not too familiar with your profit/loss each season.
Yes, we never hear from the Chairman. I go along with that, he should do much more than he does.
Yes, if we just base our opinions on what we see on the pitch then most would agree we're getting something wrong.
That’s great to know, I’m glad that the FD is going to give us a more detailed response. I suppose the issue here is mainly communication then no?
Are the club doing enough communication wise?
I’d suggest not, there’s a lot of disgruntled fans out there. maybe Now is the time to have some dialogue. Obviously Martin you’re in the know many aren’t though. All we see is what’s happening on the pitch.
If you take a step back and watch what’s happening on the pitch, the “fan experience” on a match day at the eco. Forgetting what you know, what do you think would be your opinion on the club?
It’s certainly hard to look at it without the thoughts of cost cutting in more or less every aspect!
Agree 100%
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?
The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!
Exactly. Maybe if we all knew there’d be no issue then ?
Difference is many of us don’t know they’ve even changed the way that they used to submit the accounts.
We never hear from the chairman.
I mean going off what most fans see on the pitch we aren’t good enough. As well as the choices we continually go down when recruiting staff similarly.
Well, at least somebody knows!! Is that a good thing? I'm not sure how the club is supposed to deal with that. We, as the VSC, have always had these in depth discussions about the financial picture of the club, after all it's what you'd expect a supporters trust to concentrate on and we've always reported on what we've seen.
Yes the accounts have changed, and I did ask the question as to why when you asked me the last time. I'm expecting a more detailed response from the FD at the club but initially the response I've had so far suggests the tactic is designed to shield our finances from other clubs and deter them from prying too much. In negotiations with others it does help if the others are not too familiar with your profit/loss each season.
Yes, we never hear from the Chairman. I go along with that, he should do much more than he does.
Yes, if we just base our opinions on what we see on the pitch then most would agree we're getting something wrong.
That’s great to know, I’m glad that the FD is going to give us a more detailed response. I suppose the issue here is mainly communication then no?
Are the club doing enough communication wise?
I’d suggest not, there’s a lot of disgruntled fans out there. maybe Now is the time to have some dialogue. Obviously Martin you’re in the know many aren’t though. All we see is what’s happening on the pitch.
If you take a step back and watch what’s happening on the pitch, the “fan experience” on a match day at the eco. Forgetting what you know, what do you think would be your opinion on the club?
It’s certainly hard to look at it without the thoughts of cost cutting in more or less every aspect!
Agree 100%
Me too.
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Writing off this season, not lumbering us with more overpriced dead wood unlikely to improve us to the level we need, so we can get players who fit with the new strategy in summer, is long term planning. Whether it works or not remains to be seen.
3 seasons in a row we’ve written off now. Absolutely unforgivable.
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Resources = playing budget/wages.
Those are financial resources yes. Other resources include physical and human. I don't know whether Copps was referring to only financial resources, I haven't asked him.
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?
The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!
Exactly. Maybe if we all knew there’d be no issue then ?
Difference is many of us don’t know they’ve even changed the way that they used to submit the accounts.
We never hear from the chairman.
I mean going off what most fans see on the pitch we aren’t good enough. As well as the choices we continually go down when recruiting staff similarly.
Well, at least somebody knows!! Is that a good thing? I'm not sure how the club is supposed to deal with that. We, as the VSC, have always had these in depth discussions about the financial picture of the club, after all it's what you'd expect a supporters trust to concentrate on and we've always reported on what we've seen.
Yes the accounts have changed, and I did ask the question as to why when you asked me the last time. I'm expecting a more detailed response from the FD at the club but initially the response I've had so far suggests the tactic is designed to shield our finances from other clubs and deter them from prying too much. In negotiations with others it does help if the others are not too familiar with your profit/loss each season.
Yes, we never hear from the Chairman. I go along with that, he should do much more than he does.
Yes, if we just base our opinions on what we see on the pitch then most would agree we're getting something wrong.
That’s great to know, I’m glad that the FD is going to give us a more detailed response. I suppose the issue here is mainly communication then no?
Are the club doing enough communication wise?
I’d suggest not, there’s a lot of disgruntled fans out there. maybe Now is the time to have some dialogue. Obviously Martin you’re in the know many aren’t though. All we see is what’s happening on the pitch.
If you take a step back and watch what’s happening on the pitch, the “fan experience” on a match day at the eco. Forgetting what you know, what do you think would be your opinion on the club?
It’s certainly hard to look at it without the thoughts of cost cutting in more or less every aspect!
The question you’re asking though Lee is not one that fits in this particular thread, and this should remain as a discussion about Copps interview.
I do have an opinion on the state of the club at the moment, but it’s not one that fits here.
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A £4m playing budget for a 25 man squad averages £3076 a week, I know its not as simple as that and there will be other costs, and I don’t know what our playing budget is, but for me thats is a decent L2 wage
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Bar the loss of Knoyle I don't think any of the players leaving the club will be missed by many. In fact, I would argue (wasn't there so can't say for sure) that the new boys seem to add a lot more to the team.
I'm hoping today that he goes 2 up top and gets someone around Miller and a couple of the other bright sparks to take part also. Rowe is back, and Oluwu is back as well.
I just have a feeling we could get a decent high-scoring win today.
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It is interesting how we all think differently. I’ve read the comments on the thread and then watched the interview. I have not focused on negatives and thought it was a good interview.
Communication is essential and Copps always answers as honestly as he can. I’m feeling more positive going into todays game.
The disruption of games has prevented a lack of rhythm so with games coming thick and fast that should change
I wonder how many HoF give interviews like that. Now if only are Chairman did that…
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
My apologies, the board is marvellous, the owners are putting millions in every year and we are going to fly with the squad we have. Everything is perfect at the club in terms of the players and management, and especially the board. Carry on.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?
The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!
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I may be wrong, but I guess that Blunt is the first chairman we’ve had going back before the time of Mr Wilson, was it Frank(?), in the McMenemy days, that has never made himself available for interview.
One would be forgiven for believing that he either thinks he is too important to offer himself for questioning or dare not risk it.
Either way, as a Chairman who does not merely endorse decisions made at subordinate levels, but who (we are told) directly manages at a high level, he is accountable, not only to his fellow shareholders, but in a business very dependent on the support of his “customers”, under a moral duty to make himself available for questioning by the fans.
Critical fans of any Football Club with a simplistic view of the current decline might always go with the “Sack the Board” slogan, but when the Executive Chairman of the Board is not prepared to explain himself you could quite justifiably classify the leadership of the Governing Authority as failing in his wider role and question his competence.
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
My apologies, the board is marvellous, the owners are putting millions in every year and we are going to fly with the squad we have. Everything is perfect at the club in terms of the players and management, and especially the board. Carry on.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?
The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!
Let's go on real evidence then, how was today's game?
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None of the players we have signed are much good if this is a good transfer window for copps he needs to go as well
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A £4m playing budget for a 25 man squad averages £3076 a week, I know its not as simple as that and there will be other costs, and I don’t know what our playing budget is, but for me thats is a decent L2 wage
I wouldn't have thought our wage bill for players and staff would be 4 million, more like 2 or 3 I'd say. Well just my opinion
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I knew someone would pick out one line and ignore the rest.
People pick that out because, for people not living in a rose tinted glass bauble that denies the truth, our squad is being produced at a cheap rate where poor resources are given to the training staff, and what is produced from a cheap squad is an unpredictable, poor standard of football. 6 games in February, 5 against clubs above or around us, and the game on Saturday. How many points? I want to be wrong, but I would say 4, maybe 5. Fingers crossed we do better, but i am far from expectant.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of those?
The difference between me and those who keep harping on about our budget and how poor it is are those who are using words like 'cheap rate' and 'cheap squad' without anything to support those opinions. I'm not happy about our league position, but I'm also in a position to know that the budget is more than good enough to get us out of this!
If the budget is good enough to get us out of this, and also for us to be in and around the play offs, something else is clearly going wrong somewhere.
This hasn’t happened over night, it’s been over a couple of seasons, a couple of managers and yet we’re still sliding. The relationship between club and fans also seams to be eroding at a rapid rate.
I don’t know the answer but how far do we have to fall? Something needs doing as I’m struggling to see any positives about the whole club at the minute
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Must say if we don’t play better how can we sell the window as good! I’ve defended it but it’s not looking like we are any better at all
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I’m sure we’ll have another round of positivity from the staff and players to prepare us for Tuesday
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I don’t understand how we can have challenging resources now but at the start of the season we had a very competitive budget and what the club perceived to be the best midfield in League 2.
Out early doors in the cups, crowds down, decent players want a premium to join us?
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I don’t understand how we can have challenging resources now but at the start of the season we had a very competitive budget and what the club perceived to be the best midfield in League 2.
Out early doors in the cups, crowds down, decent players want a premium to join us?
How much we paying McSheffery still. Only thing I can’t think of which should be more than covered by players leaving.
Early cup exit is a hit but at L2 we shouldn’t plan on been in the cups long. We are a small fry now so can’t budget any sort of run in