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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: les@donr on March 05, 2023, 04:57:39 pm
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We're a mid table League Two team,
We'll win some,
We'll draw some,
We'll lose some,
We've a mid table League Two team.
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For this season at least, that’s true. Remarkable that blink and we’ve gone from top end League One to this. No financial collapse, no malign owner, no stadium fire. Remarkable really.
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We've definitely a mid-table League 2 chairman, that's for sure.
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We're a mid table League Two team,
We'll win some,
We'll draw some,
We'll lose some,
We've a mid table League Two team.
Amazing how you come to think that we will win, draw and lose games. Got to say your spot on, Would it be the same for every football team?
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It is crazy that we’ve fallen so hard without there been some sort of collapse at the top of the club. Normally there’s some financial distress or something.
That said if the owners cut their handouts, as is their right, to nothing it’s equivalent to the financial distress we see at other clubs. Only we’ve managed the decline better, off the pitch.
The idea seems to be so long as we don’t do a Bury no one will notice the decline. It was probably a shock we dropped so quickly which has made it imperative for anyone not to notice.
I’ve no problem with the owners they’ve been very good guardians of the club but I think people need to hear there’s a plan to get the ambition and drive back. If that’s by actively finding a buyer so be it. I’d be confident they won’t sell to anyone suspect so no harm in announcing something like that.
If the plan is to just exist in stasis as some sort of museum trust our fan base will slowly dwindle further.
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We also have the 7th best average attendances in this league, even though we've had to witness, & endure absolute garbage on the pitch, & poor management off it for the last 2 years. We also better 9 of the sides in league 1 for average attendances. Not really relative to our current league position is it. The commitment & support from the fans is still there, but for how much longer.
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We desperately need a good recruitment period in the closed season, we have not had one for some time so that needs to be our main aim over the closed season along with a shake out of those superfluous players that our manager doesn't see a future in at the club.
We need more ambition as a club, be less insular in our criticism of the board and Club Doncaster they are the base we have at the moment so need nurturing and some respect.
We are a fractured unit at the moment, but the club has potential that wants bringing out, that few clubs in and around us at the level we are at have got, or even some clubs in division one.
We need a spark, an early success in a cup competition early next season could be a catalyst, and some confidence in some home grown players would not go amiss.
Player recruitment must be the priority this closed season and we need to be trawling for the young ambitious players, get some released early for trials and rebuild the clubs playing squad, the back ground at the club has very little wrong with it apart from the lack of a second team at a decent level of either a league or a number of top class friendlies to progress young players we have showing promise.
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We are all going to be hanging on to the coat tails of Grimsby next season after their FA Cup adventure and the money they will have made from it.
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If we added at least 2 out of 3 players with these profiles to the outfield line up I think we’d be pretty much there, as it looks like a solid base otherwise.
- A target man who can make it stick and bring others in to play. As well as providing an actual crossing option.
- A creative attacking midfielder who is more mobile and reliable than Tomlin was.
- A fast clinical attacker who makes runs in behind.
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If we added at least 2 out of 3 players with these profiles to the outfield line up I think we’d be pretty much there, as it looks like a solid base otherwise.
- A target man who can make it stick and bring others in to play. As well as providing an actual crossing option.
- A creative attacking midfielder who is more mobile and reliable than Tomlin was.
- A fast clinical attacker who makes runs in behind.
The worse thing about this is that most of our fans have been saying this for a good few seasons now and its never been properly dealt with.
We insist on playing a system that requires a striker like Miller to play with his back to goal and attempt to bring others into play whilst being man handled by two or three burly defenders, We had the failed attempt to address this with the loan signing of Andrews who was built for the position but was just not up to the standard we required. If we'd of had the services of a striker like Stockport's Wooton then i'd say we would now be in a much more favourable position, he looked a handful and created some good openings for them, bar an outstanding game from Anderson he would of tore us a new one.
The creative attacking, controlling midfielder has been missing since we had Whiteman who managed to cover both roles, that we spent a great deal on some sup par replacements is a shocking indictment of our recent transfer policy, but mainly money led. Yesterday we sort of got it right by leaving Close out and playing Biggins and an ever improving Larkin, but we do need better.
As for the fast clinical attacking players we have two, Hurst and Moly who have become bit part players in our indescribable system, here we have two good prospects who are playing in a no mans land, unable to attack or defend to any sort of an acceptable standard due to our bone headed policy of sticking with a system that's clearly unsuitable to the players we have.
The biggest tragedy in my opinion is that we have a squad that should of been well able to attain at least a play-off position and probably more, but because of our insistence on playing a set system we have wasted this season and are struggling to maintain some sort of mid table respectability, yesterdays draw against a team threatening the top positions hides so many wrongs with us, we never looked for one moment like we had the capability to win that match. It seems every game now reduces the chances of goal efforts we have, leaving us in a no mans land of mediocrity.
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We've a bang average League Two team,
Not going up,
Not going down,
We've a bang average League Two team.
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Add Wrexham and Notts County to this league next year and we've got even less chance.
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We are 13th in the table. The very definition of mid table
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Oh not another 'aren't we hard done by' thread!
We ain't going to move on unless we leave this attitude behind and accept sh*t happens. Would you have swapped places with Wrexham, Notts Co and plenty of others?
We're definitely a top of the moaning league! Anyone would think we're Sheff Wed fans, thinking we're superior to other clubs.
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Add Wrexham and Notts County to this league next year and we've got even less chance.
MK Dons coming down as well
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If we added at least 2 out of 3 players with these profiles to the outfield line up I think we’d be pretty much there, as it looks like a solid base otherwise.
- A target man who can make it stick and bring others in to play. As well as providing an actual crossing option.
- A creative attacking midfielder who is more mobile and reliable than Tomlin was.
- A fast clinical attacker who makes runs in behind.
The worse thing about this is that most of our fans have been saying this for a good few seasons now and its never been properly dealt with.
We insist on playing a system that requires a striker like Miller to play with his back to goal and attempt to bring others into play whilst being man handled by two or three burly defenders, We had the failed attempt to address this with the loan signing of Andrews who was built for the position but was just not up to the standard we required. If we'd of had the services of a striker like Stockport's Wooton then i'd say we would now be in a much more favourable position, he looked a handful and created some good openings for them, bar an outstanding game from Anderson he would of tore us a new one.
The creative attacking, controlling midfielder has been missing since we had Whiteman who managed to cover both roles, that we spent a great deal on some sup par replacements is a shocking indictment of our recent transfer policy, but mainly money led. Yesterday we sort of got it right by leaving Close out and playing Biggins and an ever improving Larkin, but we do need better.
As for the fast clinical attacking players we have two, Hurst and Moly who have become bit part players in our indescribable system, here we have two good prospects who are playing in a no mans land, unable to attack or defend to any sort of an acceptable standard due to our bone headed policy of sticking with a system that's clearly unsuitable to the players we have.
The biggest tragedy in my opinion is that we have a squad that should of been well able to attain at least a play-off position and probably more, but because of our insistence on playing a set system we have wasted this season and are struggling to maintain some sort of mid table respectability, yesterdays draw against a team threatening the top positions hides so many wrongs with us, we never looked for one moment like we had the capability to win that match. It seems every game now reduces the chances of goal efforts we have, leaving us in a no mans land of mediocrity.
DD I agree with everything you’ve said there until the last paragraph.
How can you agree with me that we don’t have a functioning attack or any of those types of players I mentioned whilst also thinking that we have a top 7 squad?
Molyneux is not clinical, he has only scored in 1 game out of 28 for us. He fills a similar role to Hurst, in that he wants the ball to feet to take players on.
Miller fills no role as a lone striker, but Lavery is a similar player. Playing one, the other or both therefore solves no problems.
No one would get anything different out of this group.
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We also have the 7th best average attendances in this league, even though we've had to witness, & endure absolute garbage on the pitch, & poor management off it for the last 2 years. We also better 9 of the sides in league 1 for average attendances. Not really relative to our current league position is it. The commitment & support from the fans is still there, but for how much longer.
&th best attended, but for how long if all our "sustainability" does is produce football like this (and previous) seasons.
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It is crazy that we’ve fallen so hard without there been some sort of collapse at the top of the club. Normally there’s some financial distress or something.
That said if the owners cut their handouts, as is their right, to nothing it’s equivalent to the financial distress we see at other clubs. Only we’ve managed the decline better, off the pitch.
The idea seems to be so long as we don’t do a Bury no one will notice the decline. It was probably a shock we dropped so quickly which has made it imperative for anyone not to notice.
I’ve no problem with the owners they’ve been very good guardians of the club but I think people need to hear there’s a plan to get the ambition and drive back. If that’s by actively finding a buyer so be it. I’d be confident they won’t sell to anyone suspect so no harm in announcing something like that.
If the plan is to just exist in stasis as some sort of museum trust our fan base will slowly dwindle further.
When you consider that in addition to having the 6th/7th best average gates in L2, and higher gates than a significant % of the division above, we also frequently boast about raising the most commercial/tertiary revenue in the lower leagues, it really does make you wonder why we're finding it so difficult to meet our ambitions of being a stable L1 side on the field.
How much longer this support is going to hold up for has to be considered a cause for concern. When I heard that season ticket sales were "only" 20-odd down on the shit show that was last year, alarm bells rang a bit for me, despite this being presented as a positive. Season ticket prices were aggressively cut this season and we still (albeit marginally) ended up with lower sales than last. If we are struggling to persuade even our more committed fans to stick with it, even with lower prices, then TB's fantasy of people bringing along a friend into the happy DRFC family is nothing short of a pipe-dream. It causes me concern about the coming years for the club that we appear not to be growing the fanbase, but in fact shrinking it.
Oh not another 'aren't we hard done by' thread!
We ain't going to move on unless we leave this attitude behind and accept sh*t happens. Would you have swapped places with Wrexham, Notts Co and plenty of others?
We're definitely a top of the moaning league! Anyone would think we're Sheff Wed fans, thinking we're superior to other clubs.
Wow. I'm all for different views being expressed, but if we all simply go through our DRFC fandom "accepting shit happens" and moving on from questioning and debating the direction of the club, then we really are dead in the water.
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Oh not another 'aren't we hard done by' thread!
We ain't going to move on unless we leave this attitude behind and accept sh*t happens. Would you have swapped places with Wrexham, Notts Co and plenty of others?
We're definitely a top of the moaning league! Anyone would think we're Sheff Wed fans, thinking we're superior to other clubs.
While I agree there are some who moan just for the sake of moaning I don’t think we should just accept that Sh*t happens.
The fact is we are financially stable off the field but the last 2 yrs + on the field have been anything but stable. We have been in free fall if we are going to be honest.
I don’t think DBR it is unreasonable that our fan base questions what has gone wrong, that has ended up with us where we are right now.
In fact I would be concerned if the hard core fans were not questioning what has gone wrong.
The fact is we should be a top half League 1 club at a minimum with aspirations of being a Championship club. That’s were we were in January 2021. Yes it is hard to believe.
I would like to think we have now bottomed out and now the only way is up. But proof is in the pudding and
it is important we now have a positive end to the season. Even if if we do not make the play offs it is important we finish with some serious momentum.
Then in the summer we need to see some serious intent on getting promoted next season with some quality recruitment.
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Oh not another 'aren't we hard done by' thread!
We ain't going to move on unless we leave this attitude behind and accept sh*t happens. Would you have swapped places with Wrexham, Notts Co and plenty of others?
We're definitely a top of the moaning league! Anyone would think we're Sheff Wed fans, thinking we're superior to other clubs.
This kind of attitude will see us playing part time! I’m no board basher but there’s a weird belief by some that so long as a madman an isn’t trying to burn our stadium down that everything is fine and dandy.
Shit happens but been so poor for so long isn’t a bit of bad luck or an accident it’s incompetence. There’s letting shit happen and then there’s actively encouraging it to happen
Would we swap places with County and Wrexham? Have you seen our trajectory! Give it another season and we might. Can we complain and raise alarm then or is it really only when TB’s ordered a suspicious amount of matches and kindling logs!
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I said at the start of the season that we were signing mid table L2 players which results in you becoming a mid table L2 team…
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I said at the start of the season that we were signing mid table L2 players which results in you becoming a mid table L2 team…
Medal in the post
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We're a mid table League Two team,
We'll win some,
We'll draw some,
We'll lose some,
We' ll have a mid table League Two team.
Could be worse, you could be a shirt wearing Donny Man U fan, supporting Man U to boost your ego, getting hammer today and the rest of the week, from a load of 40 odd year old shirt wearing Donny Liverpool fans. The Donny Livepool fans will be high as a kite all week but all quiet come the end of the season, when the team they claim to support, to boost their ego, win nothing.
Give me Rovers please, come win, lose or draw in League 2 obscurity!
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Oh not another 'aren't we hard done by' thread!
We ain't going to move on unless we leave this attitude behind and accept sh*t happens. Would you have swapped places with Wrexham, Notts Co and plenty of others?
We're definitely a top of the moaning league! Anyone would think we're Sheff Wed fans, thinking we're superior to other clubs.
While I agree there are some who moan just for the sake of moaning I don’t think we should just accept that Sh*t happens.
The fact is we are financially stable off the field but the last 2 yrs + on the field have been anything but stable. We have been in free fall if we are going to be honest.
I don’t think DBR it is unreasonable that our fan base questions what has gone wrong, that has ended up with us where we are right now.
In fact I would be concerned if the hard core fans were not questioning what has gone wrong.
The fact is we should be a top half League 1 club at a minimum with aspirations of being a Championship club. That’s were we were in January 2021. Yes it is hard to believe.
I would like to think we have now bottomed out and now the only way is up. But proof is in the pudding and
it is important we now have a positive end to the season. Even if if we do not make the play offs it is important we finish with some serious momentum.
Then in the summer we need to see some serious intent on getting promoted next season with some quality recruitment.
Why should we be a top end League One club?
We're League Two on merit and will only progress on merit. Getting creditable results at Stockport etc, are part of accepting where we are and celebrating it, rather than regurgitating all the reasons where it all went wrong after every performance when we lose or don't play champagne football.
I'd like to be happier, and clapping much more but I'm still getting my season ticket for next season because, I'm less likely to see some of our good young players continue to improve and see better players being added to what we've got, if I don't.
Whatever thoughts I have about the reasons we've got here, I can't change that. Copps, DS and the players get my support whether we're playing Harrogate or Hull. It's XI v XI.
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If we added at least 2 out of 3 players with these profiles to the outfield line up I think we’d be pretty much there, as it looks like a solid base otherwise.
- A target man who can make it stick and bring others in to play. As well as providing an actual crossing option.
- A creative attacking midfielder who is more mobile and reliable than Tomlin was.
- A fast clinical attacker who makes runs in behind.
The worse thing about this is that most of our fans have been saying this for a good few seasons now and its never been properly dealt with.
We insist on playing a system that requires a striker like Miller to play with his back to goal and attempt to bring others into play whilst being man handled by two or three burly defenders, We had the failed attempt to address this with the loan signing of Andrews who was built for the position but was just not up to the standard we required. If we'd of had the services of a striker like Stockport's Wooton then i'd say we would now be in a much more favourable position, he looked a handful and created some good openings for them, bar an outstanding game from Anderson he would of tore us a new one.
The creative attacking, controlling midfielder has been missing since we had Whiteman who managed to cover both roles, that we spent a great deal on some sup par replacements is a shocking indictment of our recent transfer policy, but mainly money led. Yesterday we sort of got it right by leaving Close out and playing Biggins and an ever improving Larkin, but we do need better.
As for the fast clinical attacking players we have two, Hurst and Moly who have become bit part players in our indescribable system, here we have two good prospects who are playing in a no mans land, unable to attack or defend to any sort of an acceptable standard due to our bone headed policy of sticking with a system that's clearly unsuitable to the players we have.
The biggest tragedy in my opinion is that we have a squad that should of been well able to attain at least a play-off position and probably more, but because of our insistence on playing a set system we have wasted this season and are struggling to maintain some sort of mid table respectability, yesterdays draw against a team threatening the top positions hides so many wrongs with us, we never looked for one moment like we had the capability to win that match. It seems every game now reduces the chances of goal efforts we have, leaving us in a no mans land of mediocrity.
DD I agree with everything you’ve said there until the last paragraph.
How can you agree with me that we don’t have a functioning attack or any of those types of players I mentioned whilst also thinking that we have a top 7 squad?
Molyneux is not clinical, he has only scored in 1 game out of 28 for us. He fills a similar role to Hurst, in that he wants the ball to feet to take players on.
Miller fills no role as a lone striker, but Lavery is a similar player. Playing one, the other or both therefore solves no problems.
No one would get anything different out of this group.
I think we have the players in the squad to do so much better than we have, i'm sure an experienced manager would of seen what we had and arranged them accordingly. The forwards have been badly handled in my opinion, We have central strikers in Miller and Lavary who are being asked to play a formation which is totally alien to them, neither are forward , back to gal link players, they don't have the size or game for it, they need ball to feet or over the top as they both have a decent turn of pace, most likely to do well, played as a partnership to feed off each other.
Hurst and Moly are wasted assets in my book, they've so much more to their game than asking them to come inside each time they get the ball, both have a trick in them that can put a defender on the back foot but when you ask them to in effect come inside and help out an overrun midfield it takes away all their attacking intent and nullify's them, if we played them as out and out wide players providing balls into Miller and Lavery they would be more successful. if we played them as the outside of a real front three instead of expecting them to have some sort of tracking back role they would be far better utilised.
Im aware we don't play then as above because of our failings in the middle of the midfield. That out and out ball winner/organiser, creator has eluded us for long enough, if we are serious about playing this system we need some sort of quality like this in the middle, anything else just handicaps the whole side and results in us playing this stifling and backwards 5/4/1 which will get us mid table if we are lucky.
Above all i don't ask for much, i just want to see us go out and play some fu**ing football, win,loose or draw i don't care, i just want to get some value for my season ticket, if that involves some football played instead of the turgid, dull, repetitive play between the back 5 rubbish then ill be happy.
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Oh not another 'aren't we hard done by' thread!
We ain't going to move on unless we leave this attitude behind and accept sh*t happens. Would you have swapped places with Wrexham, Notts Co and plenty of others?
We're definitely a top of the moaning league! Anyone would think we're Sheff Wed fans, thinking we're superior to other clubs.
While I agree there are some who moan just for the sake of moaning I don’t think we should just accept that Sh*t happens.
The fact is we are financially stable off the field but the last 2 yrs + on the field have been anything but stable. We have been in free fall if we are going to be honest.
I don’t think DBR it is unreasonable that our fan base questions what has gone wrong, that has ended up with us where we are right now.
In fact I would be concerned if the hard core fans were not questioning what has gone wrong.
The fact is we should be a top half League 1 club at a minimum with aspirations of being a Championship club. That’s were we were in January 2021. Yes it is hard to believe.
I would like to think we have now bottomed out and now the only way is up. But proof is in the pudding and
it is important we now have a positive end to the season. Even if if we do not make the play offs it is important we finish with some serious momentum.
Then in the summer we need to see some serious intent on getting promoted next season with some quality recruitment.
Why should we be a top end League One club?
We're League Two on merit and will only progress on merit. Getting creditable results at Stockport etc, are part of accepting where we are and celebrating it, rather than regurgitating all the reasons where it all went wrong after every performance when we lose or don't play champagne football.
I'd like to be happier, and clapping much more but I'm still getting my season ticket for next season because, I'm less likely to see some of our good young players continue to improve and see better players being added to what we've got, if I don't.
Whatever thoughts I have about the reasons we've got here, I can't change that. Copps, DS and the players get my support whether we're playing Harrogate or Hull. It's XI v XI.
Of course we have no divine right to be top end League 1 but the fact is we were only 26 months ago.
So should we just accept that we are a million miles from that right now. It’s been a pretty dramatic fall in a little over 2 yrs.
Serious mistakes in Managerial appointments were made after DM left and the player recruitment in the summer of 2021 was nothing short of disastrous.
If those sort of mistakes had been made in commerce heads would roll. Now I am not suggesting for one minute that should have happened but the same mistakes were repeated more than once, so it is vitally important that the same mistakes are not repeated again.
I know recruitment is never guaranteed to be a success but it’s vital at least 75% of it is.
In the last 25 months since the departure of DM we have only got probably 25% success in player recruitment. Possibly being generous with that estimate although some of the recruitment last summer was good. The jury is still out on our current Manager / Coach. His and Copps recruitment this summer has to be good.
I will always support Doncaster Rovers whatever league we are in but that doesn’t mean I should be happy with playing at the lowest level of the EFL.
Every club should aspire to play at the highest level possible and without those aspirations what’s the point.
We are seriously under achieving on the field but that doesn’t mean we should accept it.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why DRFC should not be a championship club.
If Rotherham can achieve it then we certainly can.
It is up to our board to show that is what they really aspire to achieving.
We were told 3 yrs ago that was the goal. We have seen very little over the last 2 yrs that suggests they really meant what they said.
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Oh not another 'aren't we hard done by' thread!
We ain't going to move on unless we leave this attitude behind and accept sh*t happens. Would you have swapped places with Wrexham, Notts Co and plenty of others?
We're definitely a top of the moaning league! Anyone would think we're Sheff Wed fans, thinking we're superior to other clubs.
While I agree there are some who moan just for the sake of moaning I don’t think we should just accept that Sh*t happens.
The fact is we are financially stable off the field but the last 2 yrs + on the field have been anything but stable. We have been in free fall if we are going to be honest.
I don’t think DBR it is unreasonable that our fan base questions what has gone wrong, that has ended up with us where we are right now.
In fact I would be concerned if the hard core fans were not questioning what has gone wrong.
The fact is we should be a top half League 1 club at a minimum with aspirations of being a Championship club. That’s were we were in January 2021. Yes it is hard to believe.
I would like to think we have now bottomed out and now the only way is up. But proof is in the pudding and
it is important we now have a positive end to the season. Even if if we do not make the play offs it is important we finish with some serious momentum.
Then in the summer we need to see some serious intent on getting promoted next season with some quality recruitment.
Why should we be a top end League One club?
We're League Two on merit and will only progress on merit. Getting creditable results at Stockport etc, are part of accepting where we are and celebrating it, rather than regurgitating all the reasons where it all went wrong after every performance when we lose or don't play champagne football.
I'd like to be happier, and clapping much more but I'm still getting my season ticket for next season because, I'm less likely to see some of our good young players continue to improve and see better players being added to what we've got, if I don't.
Whatever thoughts I have about the reasons we've got here, I can't change that. Copps, DS and the players get my support whether we're playing Harrogate or Hull. It's XI v XI.
We are seriously under achieving on the field but that doesn’t mean we should accept it.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why DRFC should not be a championship club.
If Rotherham can achieve it then we certainly can.
It is up to our board to show that is what they really aspire to achieving.
We were told 3 yrs ago that was the goal. We have seen very little over the last 2 yrs that suggests they really meant what they said.
Camps, the above excerpt from your post is very telling.
I have a friend who is currently playing in the National League who still sees Rovers as a big club in L2 and also as a top half L1 club. He tells me that plenty of people in the game have a similar opinion.
Like you and myself he is amazed at how far we have fallen over the last two years.
The saddest thing for me is that anyone who dares to talk about the slide in a negative way is seen to be a moaner.
I would imagine that most regular supporters understand that the club is in a good financial position and is happy about that but personally, I get the impression that the top brass at the club are blasé about the fan base to the extent that “they will still buy their Season Tickets” however far we slip.
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After Bradford City, our financial base, stadium and infrastructure must be the best in this League and it isn’t surprising that fans complain. Those who study the situation closely, which means most of those on here, have enough material to comfortably establish the case for underachievement.
Knowing what we do, there are multiple targets for criticism and it would be difficult not to place some blame at the door of all those who have had a part in “managing” (using the term in its broadest sense) our arrival at our current plight.
I think that if we sunk any lower, there would be justification in believing that the management infrastructure and the control of the financial resources had seriously failed. This is a new low and a reasonable point in time to take stock and it is not surprising that even the “faithful” are losing heart.
There needs to be some aspiration, if not a new Mission Statement, some fixed objective as opposed to vague assurances, and that was why the “financially self-sustaining” statement was so deflating at a time when we might have hoped for something more ambitious.
We just cannot afford to decline any further and perhaps the manner of our recovery in terms of the quality of the football is less important than the results.
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Oh not another 'aren't we hard done by' thread!
We ain't going to move on unless we leave this attitude behind and accept sh*t happens. Would you have swapped places with Wrexham, Notts Co and plenty of others?
We're definitely a top of the moaning league! Anyone would think we're Sheff Wed fans, thinking we're superior to other clubs.
While I agree there are some who moan just for the sake of moaning I don’t think we should just accept that Sh*t happens.
The fact is we are financially stable off the field but the last 2 yrs + on the field have been anything but stable. We have been in free fall if we are going to be honest.
I don’t think DBR it is unreasonable that our fan base questions what has gone wrong, that has ended up with us where we are right now.
In fact I would be concerned if the hard core fans were not questioning what has gone wrong.
The fact is we should be a top half League 1 club at a minimum with aspirations of being a Championship club. That’s were we were in January 2021. Yes it is hard to believe.
I would like to think we have now bottomed out and now the only way is up. But proof is in the pudding and
it is important we now have a positive end to the season. Even if if we do not make the play offs it is important we finish with some serious momentum.
Then in the summer we need to see some serious intent on getting promoted next season with some quality recruitment.
Why should we be a top end League One club?
We're League Two on merit and will only progress on merit. Getting creditable results at Stockport etc, are part of accepting where we are and celebrating it, rather than regurgitating all the reasons where it all went wrong after every performance when we lose or don't play champagne football.
I'd like to be happier, and clapping much more but I'm still getting my season ticket for next season because, I'm less likely to see some of our good young players continue to improve and see better players being added to what we've got, if I don't.
Whatever thoughts I have about the reasons we've got here, I can't change that. Copps, DS and the players get my support whether we're playing Harrogate or Hull. It's XI v XI.
We are seriously under achieving on the field but that doesn’t mean we should accept it.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why DRFC should not be a championship club.
If Rotherham can achieve it then we certainly can.
It is up to our board to show that is what they really aspire to achieving.
We were told 3 yrs ago that was the goal. We have seen very little over the last 2 yrs that suggests they really meant what they said.
Camps, the above excerpt from your post is very telling.
I have a friend who is currently playing in the National League who still sees Rovers as a big club in L2 and also as a top half L1 club. He tells me that plenty of people in the game have a similar opinion.
Like you and myself he is amazed at how far we have fallen over the last two years.
The saddest thing for me is that anyone who dares to talk about the slide in a negative way is seen to be a moaner.
I would imagine that most regular supporters understand that the club is in a good financial position and is happy about that but personally, I get the impression that the top brass at the club are blasé about the fan base to the extent that “they will still buy their Season Tickets” however far we slip.
Campsall/Hound, your remarks here perfectly describe how I and I am sure many other Rovers supporters feel about what has happened in the last three seasons and, whilst DBR usually makes well reasoned contributions on this forum his remarks in post 13 above are quite frankly insulting to a great many thoroughly good supporters. I suspect his thoughts closely mirror the attitude of those running the club.
The GB statement recently about the club achieving 'sustainability' (many on here question their definition of sustainability), puffing their chest out and glorying in that one sole positive was simply an example of how detatched the club leadership has become to what has happened on the football side in the last two years.
The vast majority of our supporters are mature and sensible enough to understand and support the efforts of the club in its desire to gain a solid financial footing but the club needs to wake up to the fact that that alone will not sustain it as an attractive club to support.
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We have a great stadium, the board have worked hard over the years to build a good reputation & fan base, we have excellent training facilities, & we have good attendances. We should aspire to be at least top half in the league above. Many many mistakes have been made since Moore left. Summer recruitment & next season is going to be massive for us.
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I think the mistakes began under Moore with the heavy reliance on loan signings which in itself may have been triggered by budget constraints.
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I think the mistakes began under Moore with the heavy reliance on loan signings which in itself may have been triggered by budget constraints.
These bad strategies manifest from having no coherent player identification structure in place. Managers just resort to what they know. Moore with the loans and god squad, JS signing players that are represented by his agent etc. Our net is tiny in regards to fishing for players. It never goes more than a foot away from the boat.
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Oh not another 'aren't we hard done by' thread!
We ain't going to move on unless we leave this attitude behind and accept sh*t happens. Would you have swapped places with Wrexham, Notts Co and plenty of others?
We're definitely a top of the moaning league! Anyone would think we're Sheff Wed fans, thinking we're superior to other clubs.
While I agree there are some who moan just for the sake of moaning I don’t think we should just accept that Sh*t happens.
The fact is we are financially stable off the field but the last 2 yrs + on the field have been anything but stable. We have been in free fall if we are going to be honest.
I don’t think DBR it is unreasonable that our fan base questions what has gone wrong, that has ended up with us where we are right now.
In fact I would be concerned if the hard core fans were not questioning what has gone wrong.
The fact is we should be a top half League 1 club at a minimum with aspirations of being a Championship club. That’s were we were in January 2021. Yes it is hard to believe.
I would like to think we have now bottomed out and now the only way is up. But proof is in the pudding and
it is important we now have a positive end to the season. Even if if we do not make the play offs it is important we finish with some serious momentum.
Then in the summer we need to see some serious intent on getting promoted next season with some quality recruitment.
Why should we be a top end League One club?
We're League Two on merit and will only progress on merit. Getting creditable results at Stockport etc, are part of accepting where we are and celebrating it, rather than regurgitating all the reasons where it all went wrong after every performance when we lose or don't play champagne football.
I'd like to be happier, and clapping much more but I'm still getting my season ticket for next season because, I'm less likely to see some of our good young players continue to improve and see better players being added to what we've got, if I don't.
Whatever thoughts I have about the reasons we've got here, I can't change that. Copps, DS and the players get my support whether we're playing Harrogate or Hull. It's XI v XI.
We are seriously under achieving on the field but that doesn’t mean we should accept it.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why DRFC should not be a championship club.
If Rotherham can achieve it then we certainly can.
It is up to our board to show that is what they really aspire to achieving.
We were told 3 yrs ago that was the goal. We have seen very little over the last 2 yrs that suggests they really meant what they said.
Camps, the above excerpt from your post is very telling.
I have a friend who is currently playing in the National League who still sees Rovers as a big club in L2 and also as a top half L1 club. He tells me that plenty of people in the game have a similar opinion.
Like you and myself he is amazed at how far we have fallen over the last two years.
The saddest thing for me is that anyone who dares to talk about the slide in a negative way is seen to be a moaner.
I would imagine that most regular supporters understand that the club is in a good financial position and is happy about that but personally, I get the impression that the top brass at the club are blasé about the fan base to the extent that “they will still buy their Season Tickets” however far we slip.
Campsall/Hound, your remarks here perfectly describe how I and I am sure many other Rovers supporters feel about what has happened in the last three seasons and, whilst DBR usually makes well reasoned contributions on this forum his remarks in post 13 above are quite frankly insulting to a great many thoroughly good supporters. I suspect his thoughts closely mirror the attitude of those running the club.
The GB statement recently about the club achieving 'sustainability' (many on here question their definition of sustainability), puffing their chest out and glorying in that one sole positive was simply an example of how detatched the club leadership has become to what has happened on the football side in the last two years.
The vast majority of our supporters are mature and sensible enough to understand and support the efforts of the club in its desire to gain a solid financial footing but the club needs to wake up to the fact that that alone will not sustain it as an attractive club to support.
Brilliant post, Mr Pies.
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Rovers being labeled an average L2 team is a tad optimistic at the moment.
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The way its going we wont be for much longer.
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This season, thus far. It’s not finished yet and the rot will continue until May. Then next season we’ll be a ‘struggling to stay in the football league team’. A sinking ship then gathers speed and continues downwards. Just look at our M180 comrades? I think the club is well and truly daffy ducked.
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This season to date overall we're a mid table League 2 team.
But we got 13 points in our first 5 fixtures.
Since then we've achieved 34 points in 29 games.
And the performance are getting continually worse.
We've just been beaten and comprehensively outplayed at home by a team which started today in 21st place.
Time to face reality.
We're not a mid table League 2 quality team.
We're a close to bottom of League 2 quality team.
I'm hugely concerned for next season.
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This season to date overall we're a mid table League 2 team.
But we got 13 points in our first 5 fixtures.
Since then we've achieved 34 points in 29 games.
And the performance are getting continually worse.
We've just been beaten and comprehensively outplayed at home by a team which started today in 21st place.
Time to face reality.
We're not a mid table League 2 quality team.
We're a close to bottom of League 2 quality team.
I'm hugely concerned for next season.
I too share this concern. Any talk of summer recruitment making a massive difference for next season is delusional. This summers recruitment will look no different to the recent window. A few no mark signings and a few more loanees courtesy of Schofields agent. If he lasts that long.
Sugar coated cheap shit.
Next season will be built on the foundations of the end of this season. And that’s not panning out to be a solid one. Far from it.
All in all, we have a lot to be worried about.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans ckearly dont want them?
Doesn't really matter does it? They own the club a bit like owning a house that you know you have enough income to pay the mortgage but you don't see the reasoning in spending anything to maintain the house. I mean forget actually making improvements to the house. And these owners... Well apparently they don't give a shit about the state of the kitchen, the bathroom leaking and forget the garden for Christs sake... You have a house. Be thankful for it (and don't dare complain about the damp)
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Our current form has to be amongst the worse in the league,
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
There are some that don’t understand that. ;)
I am far from happy with the way the football team is playing and the results show how far we have underachieved so far this season. This group of players are capable of doing much better.
The problem is 90% the coach / manager imo who is not getting the best from them. His ridiculous “process” mantra which clearly isn’t working. If he can’t see that his way of playing with this group of players isn’t going to give us goals. Then he is either unbelievably stubborn or stupid or both.
He needs an experienced assistant imo. Nothing against Gribble but he is not what Schofield needs imo.
DS needs a long hard look in the mirror and get a grip, smell the coffee and see the reality.of his flawed tactics. The results and goals scored are all the evidence he needs.
We can’t go through yet another change in manager this summer.. Further instability is going to destroy progress.
Rant over.
Back to the OP & reference the board. Some people seriously need to be careful what they wish for.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
Nowhere close to being a billionaire.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
Nowhere close to being a billionaire.
Really? How many millions then, as you clearly claim know?
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
Nowhere close to being a billionaire.
Really? How many millions then, as you clearly claim know?
I believe it was quoted as £425k in the Sunday Times rich list.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
A multimillionaire who had an interest in progressing the football club would probably do better.
If (a big If) I was as wealthy as TB together with my love of the Rovers, I would have no issue with spending a couple of million quid a year to give a suitable manager a decent chance of putting a good exciting team together. Money attracts money so there is a fair chance of recouping my losses with interest and property and acquisition gains each year and to be honest, out of £500m a couple of million a year is small fry.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
Nowhere close to being a billionaire.
Really? How many millions then, as you clearly claim know?
I believe it was quoted as £425k in the Sunday Times rich list.
£425k? Try £563M with Dick getting £142M
Keepmoat was sold for £783M which is where I, from memory, got my 'just shy of'.
http://www.terrybramall.crazybillionaire.org/terrybramall.php
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
A multimillionaire who had an interest in progressing the football club would probably do better.
If (a big If) I was as wealthy as TB together with my love of the Rovers, I would have no issue with spending a couple of million quid a year to give a suitable manager a decent chance of putting a good exciting team together. Money attracts money so there is a fair chance of recouping my losses with interest and property and acquisition gains each year and to be honest, out of £500m a couple of million a year is small fry.
In which case it shouldn't be too hard to find someone as wealthy as TB willing to throw money into Doncaster Rovers. Know anybody? Because I don't see anyone from the sidelines shouting "Me, Me, Me"!
You seem rather keen to tell someone you don't know how to spend their money for your enjoyment, perhaps you should look to where else TB puts some of his money.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
A multimillionaire who had an interest in progressing the football club would probably do better.
If (a big If) I was as wealthy as TB together with my love of the Rovers, I would have no issue with spending a couple of million quid a year to give a suitable manager a decent chance of putting a good exciting team together. Money attracts money so there is a fair chance of recouping my losses with interest and property and acquisition gains each year and to be honest, out of £500m a couple of million a year is small fry.
In which case it shouldn't be too hard to find someone as wealthy as TB willing to throw money into Doncaster Rovers. Know anybody? Because I don't see anyone from the sidelines shouting "Me, Me, Me"!
You seem rather keen to tell someone you don't know how to spend their money for your enjoyment, perhaps you should look to where else TB puts some of his money.
Kato, you are not reading what I wrote.
I was saying what I would do, not telling TB what he should do.
And, actually I do know TB, I have played tennis with him and been on foreign trips with him.
As for do I know anyone who might want to buy the Rovers, no is the answer.
At the start of my post I said a multimillionaire who is interested in the Rovers might do better.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
A multimillionaire who had an interest in progressing the football club would probably do better.
If (a big If) I was as wealthy as TB together with my love of the Rovers, I would have no issue with spending a couple of million quid a year to give a suitable manager a decent chance of putting a good exciting team together. Money attracts money so there is a fair chance of recouping my losses with interest and property and acquisition gains each year and to be honest, out of £500m a couple of million a year is small fry.
In which case it shouldn't be too hard to find someone as wealthy as TB willing to throw money into Doncaster Rovers. Know anybody? Because I don't see anyone from the sidelines shouting "Me, Me, Me"!
You seem rather keen to tell someone you don't know how to spend their money for your enjoyment, perhaps you should look to where else TB puts some of his money.
Kato, you are not reading what I wrote.
I was saying what I would do, not telling TB what he should do.
And, actually I do know TB, I have played tennis with him and been on foreign trips with him.
As for do I know anyone who might want to buy the Rovers, no is the answer.
At the start of my post I said a multimillionaire who is interested in the Rovers might do better.
And I still contend, per my earlier post, that it will take significantly more than a multimillionaire to make an ongoing difference. Putting money into a football club at our level, (and at any level outside the Prem), is tantamount to giving money away. There aren’t many philanthropists like TB around, sadly.
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I thought TB wasn’t putting anymore money in, as we’re sustainable?
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
A multimillionaire who had an interest in progressing the football club would probably do better.
If (a big If) I was as wealthy as TB together with my love of the Rovers, I would have no issue with spending a couple of million quid a year to give a suitable manager a decent chance of putting a good exciting team together. Money attracts money so there is a fair chance of recouping my losses with interest and property and acquisition gains each year and to be honest, out of £500m a couple of million a year is small fry.
In which case it shouldn't be too hard to find someone as wealthy as TB willing to throw money into Doncaster Rovers. Know anybody? Because I don't see anyone from the sidelines shouting "Me, Me, Me"!
You seem rather keen to tell someone you don't know how to spend their money for your enjoyment, perhaps you should look to where else TB puts some of his money.
Kato, you are not reading what I wrote.
I was saying what I would do, not telling TB what he should do.
And, actually I do know TB, I have played tennis with him and been on foreign trips with him.
As for do I know anyone who might want to buy the Rovers, no is the answer.
At the start of my post I said a multimillionaire who is interested in the Rovers might do better.
And I still contend, per my earlier post, that it will take significantly more than a multimillionaire to make an ongoing difference. Putting money into a football club at our level, (and at any level outside the Prem), is tantamount to giving money away. There aren’t many philanthropists like TB around, sadly.
Kato, I assume that anyone who takes on the Rovers in the future would probably be also taking on Club Doncaster.
If that was you and you had £500m to your name would you think you could afford to add a couple of million pounds a year in addition to the self subsidising money that CD contributes to try to make the football more entertaining, draw back the fan base and try for promotion?
Given that you would already have your big houses and cars it would take a long time to spend £500m, and don’t forget that your pot would naturally grow every year as well.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
A multimillionaire who had an interest in progressing the football club would probably do better.
If (a big If) I was as wealthy as TB together with my love of the Rovers, I would have no issue with spending a couple of million quid a year to give a suitable manager a decent chance of putting a good exciting team together. Money attracts money so there is a fair chance of recouping my losses with interest and property and acquisition gains each year and to be honest, out of £500m a couple of million a year is small fry.
In which case it shouldn't be too hard to find someone as wealthy as TB willing to throw money into Doncaster Rovers. Know anybody? Because I don't see anyone from the sidelines shouting "Me, Me, Me"!
You seem rather keen to tell someone you don't know how to spend their money for your enjoyment, perhaps you should look to where else TB puts some of his money.
Kato, you are not reading what I wrote.
I was saying what I would do, not telling TB what he should do.
And, actually I do know TB, I have played tennis with him and been on foreign trips with him.
As for do I know anyone who might want to buy the Rovers, no is the answer.
At the start of my post I said a multimillionaire who is interested in the Rovers might do better.
And I still contend, per my earlier post, that it will take significantly more than a multimillionaire to make an ongoing difference. Putting money into a football club at our level, (and at any level outside the Prem), is tantamount to giving money away. There aren’t many philanthropists like TB around, sadly.
Kato, I assume that anyone who takes on the Rovers in the future would probably be also taking on Club Doncaster.
If that was you and you had £500m to your name would you think you could afford to add a couple of million pounds a year in addition to the self subsidising money that CD contributes to try to make the football more entertaining, draw back the fan base and try for promotion?
Given that you would already have your big houses and cars it would take a long time to spend £500m, and don’t forget that your pot would naturally grow every year as well.
If you are worth £500m then if invested properly you would certainly be earning more than £2m on it each year.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
A multimillionaire who had an interest in progressing the football club would probably do better.
If (a big If) I was as wealthy as TB together with my love of the Rovers, I would have no issue with spending a couple of million quid a year to give a suitable manager a decent chance of putting a good exciting team together. Money attracts money so there is a fair chance of recouping my losses with interest and property and acquisition gains each year and to be honest, out of £500m a couple of million a year is small fry.
In which case it shouldn't be too hard to find someone as wealthy as TB willing to throw money into Doncaster Rovers. Know anybody? Because I don't see anyone from the sidelines shouting "Me, Me, Me"!
You seem rather keen to tell someone you don't know how to spend their money for your enjoyment, perhaps you should look to where else TB puts some of his money.
Kato, you are not reading what I wrote.
I was saying what I would do, not telling TB what he should do.
And, actually I do know TB, I have played tennis with him and been on foreign trips with him.
As for do I know anyone who might want to buy the Rovers, no is the answer.
At the start of my post I said a multimillionaire who is interested in the Rovers might do better.
And I still contend, per my earlier post, that it will take significantly more than a multimillionaire to make an ongoing difference. Putting money into a football club at our level, (and at any level outside the Prem), is tantamount to giving money away. There aren’t many philanthropists like TB around, sadly.
Kato, I assume that anyone who takes on the Rovers in the future would probably be also taking on Club Doncaster.
If that was you and you had £500m to your name would you think you could afford to add a couple of million pounds a year in addition to the self subsidising money that CD contributes to try to make the football more entertaining, draw back the fan base and try for promotion?
Given that you would already have your big houses and cars it would take a long time to spend £500m, and don’t forget that your pot would naturally grow every year as well.
If you are worth £500m then if invested properly you would certainly be earning more than £2m on it each year.
Exactly my point mate.
You would probably never spend your money.
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I’m not a board basher but increasingly can’t help but question them. It’s jarring that the people who want them out just because are starting to look right!
I know there are bad owners out there and I trust our owners to avoid them and I’m grateful for that. The reality is that all the other clubs have owners and many change hands every year. Most don’t sell to madmen they sell to enthusiasts and fans who have done well for themselves and want to spend to enjoy a rollercoaster as well as the prestige.
If the club is break even we should be an exciting prospect to buy. Every penny the new owners invest gets to go on the exciting things like players. We’ve reached a low level now meaning your money goes further too.
I don’t want TB to sell to any random but I do want him to sell so someone can breath some life and passion into the club. We’ll slowly dwindle at this rate and clearly the decision making has become very suspect. At least announce we are looking for a buying. Even if it takes years to find one. We need hope.
TB could sell up now with his head held high he’s got the club to a stable footing (financially if not footballing) and been a huge part of our best years. The longer it’s left the more people like me who recognise what he’s done start to get disgruntled at our lack of ambition or even hope in the club. Eventually the owners can’t escape that change if they just stick with the status quo.
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
A multimillionaire who had an interest in progressing the football club would probably do better.
If (a big If) I was as wealthy as TB together with my love of the Rovers, I would have no issue with spending a couple of million quid a year to give a suitable manager a decent chance of putting a good exciting team together. Money attracts money so there is a fair chance of recouping my losses with interest and property and acquisition gains each year and to be honest, out of £500m a couple of million a year is small fry.
In which case it shouldn't be too hard to find someone as wealthy as TB willing to throw money into Doncaster Rovers. Know anybody? Because I don't see anyone from the sidelines shouting "Me, Me, Me"!
You seem rather keen to tell someone you don't know how to spend their money for your enjoyment, perhaps you should look to where else TB puts some of his money.
Kato, you are not reading what I wrote.
I was saying what I would do, not telling TB what he should do.
And, actually I do know TB, I have played tennis with him and been on foreign trips with him.
As for do I know anyone who might want to buy the Rovers, no is the answer.
At the start of my post I said a multimillionaire who is interested in the Rovers might do better.
And I still contend, per my earlier post, that it will take significantly more than a multimillionaire to make an ongoing difference. Putting money into a football club at our level, (and at any level outside the Prem), is tantamount to giving money away. There aren’t many philanthropists like TB around, sadly.
Kato, I assume that anyone who takes on the Rovers in the future would probably be also taking on Club Doncaster.
If that was you and you had £500m to your name would you think you could afford to add a couple of million pounds a year in addition to the self subsidising money that CD contributes to try to make the football more entertaining, draw back the fan base and try for promotion?
Given that you would already have your big houses and cars it would take a long time to spend £500m, and don’t forget that your pot would naturally grow every year as well.
First off, it is more than unlikely that I will ever have £500M - I don't gamble; so no lottery, no Euromillions etc and no rich relatives to leave me a legacy. But, for the sake of discussion, if I did then I have far better things to spend it on than giving it away to a football club, especially one with so many fans berating the current board, (who have done so much for the club), and demanding more. In fact, the first thing I'd do is leave Doncaster altogether - there's nothing to hold me here and I'd make quite a lot of people happy whilst retaining just enough to keep me comfortable. But as I say, it won't happen.
I'm becoming more and more disenchanted with football as a whole. When a player can be paid £10M a year for 5 years just to wear a particular make of boots while some Nurses, (and other people in jobs), are reliant on foodbanks then there's something drastically wrong with the way people are valued.
With respect to someone buying the club. Do you believe TB would just hand it over or would he have an asking price? Would the buyer have to replace the current business infrastructure? And do you seriously think that £2M a year in addition to our Club Doncaster/sustainability figures would be enough to guarantee promotion up to the Championship? And further, sustain us there? Or would the fans demand more if it wasn't working?
There's an old saying. "The quickest way to become a millionaire is to be a billionaire and buy a football club".
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Terry (and Dick) have done the hard yards so they can’t be expected to put in any more. If you came into a huge lottery win though the best thing we could do was to plough in £10-£20million producing best Academy set up outside top 6 in EPL. That’s a lifeline for years and years to come if that starts working. £10-£20 million on squad would probably get us into Championship but we couldn’t sustain that long term.
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Terry (and Dick) have done the hard yards so they can’t be expected to put in any more. If you came into a huge lottery win though the best thing we could do was to plough in £10-£20million producing best Academy set up outside top 6 in EPL. That’s a lifeline for years and years to come if that starts working. £10-£20 million on squad would probably get us into Championship but we couldn’t sustain that long term.
Agree on you main points, i think you would have to be very particular to who you would give the 10-20mil to spend, i'd wager you would not be thinking of giving it to the present setup?
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Things will be interesting for us if there is 3 up 3 down between the National League and L2 next season.
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Extraordinary story just out in the Free Press saying we basically sold a group of 14 year old lads from the Academy to Man Utd and Leeds Utd for 'six figures'. I mean, it's an income stream, but quite something that pretty much none of our first team squad would trouble double figures let alone six figures, yet we've cashed in on a couple of 14 year olds.
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Not a couple - four of them.
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Extraordinary story just out in the Free Press saying we basically sold a group of 14 year old lads from the Academy to Man Utd and Leeds Utd for 'six figures'. I mean, it's an income stream, but quite something that pretty much none of our first team squad would trouble double figures let alone six figures, yet we've cashed in on a couple of 14 year olds.
You cannot be serious suggesting we have 'cashed in'! As if we've gone out of our way to dispense with them purely for the money.
It's not just DRFC who are having young talent hoovered up by the big club academies.
It's sickening how they operate and how the he'll can we compete when Man U etc come calling. It's almost child trafficking with the huge numbers of youth players from clubs in the UK and beyond being lured by the pied pipers.
The report goes onto say "Data from the Premier League released last year shows how even in the best academies the vast majority of players won’t have a career in professional football"
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If you can put the histrionics to the side for one moment, the point was that there is very big money to be made from ‘selling’ (hope that helps calm you) 14 year old kids, arguably more than we would get for many of our first team squad members.
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Yes it’s mad that those 4 or 5 14 year olds are worth more than our whole 1st team squad.
I hope the money is invested wisely to get us back to L1. We’ll always struggle to keep talent when the big boys come but the higher level we are in the better chance we have of attracting then keeping them
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What is keeping the owners hanging around when the majority of the fans clearly dont want them?
Good question.
If I were TB and read all the bile against the board on here and in social media I'd be saying "I don't need this sh!t, you want it? Here it is, all yours; good luck and good bye".
Which prompts another question. Where would the club be then?
Administration?
Most likely. Which I why I fail to understand the mentality of those supporters who can't see it!
Unless and until a multi billionaire come out of the woodwork we have what we have and need to support it, through thick and thin.
Yes, we should openly criticise what we obviously see as filing - and that is all on the pitch - but those criticisms should be constructive, not destructive; and hope that the club, (DS in particular), listen and act.
I’m sure a multi millionaire would be acceptable NNK.
Multi billionaires are a bit harder to find.
I seriously doubt a multimillionaire would do any better than TB who is, after all, a multimillionaire, (IIRC not far shy of a billionaire when he joined the Rovers board).
A multimillionaire who had an interest in progressing the football club would probably do better.
If (a big If) I was as wealthy as TB together with my love of the Rovers, I would have no issue with spending a couple of million quid a year to give a suitable manager a decent chance of putting a good exciting team together. Money attracts money so there is a fair chance of recouping my losses with interest and property and acquisition gains each year and to be honest, out of £500m a couple of million a year is small fry.
In which case it shouldn't be too hard to find someone as wealthy as TB willing to throw money into Doncaster Rovers. Know anybody? Because I don't see anyone from the sidelines shouting "Me, Me, Me"!
You seem rather keen to tell someone you don't know how to spend their money for your enjoyment, perhaps you should look to where else TB puts some of his money.
Kato, you are not reading what I wrote.
I was saying what I would do, not telling TB what he should do.
And, actually I do know TB, I have played tennis with him and been on foreign trips with him.
As for do I know anyone who might want to buy the Rovers, no is the answer.
At the start of my post I said a multimillionaire who is interested in the Rovers might do better.
And I still contend, per my earlier post, that it will take significantly more than a multimillionaire to make an ongoing difference. Putting money into a football club at our level, (and at any level outside the Prem), is tantamount to giving money away. There aren’t many philanthropists like TB around, sadly.
Kato, I assume that anyone who takes on the Rovers in the future would probably be also taking on Club Doncaster.
If that was you and you had £500m to your name would you think you could afford to add a couple of million pounds a year in addition to the self subsidising money that CD contributes to try to make the football more entertaining, draw back the fan base and try for promotion?
Given that you would already have your big houses and cars it would take a long time to spend £500m, and don’t forget that your pot would naturally grow every year as well.
First off, it is more than unlikely that I will ever have £500M - I don't gamble; so no lottery, no Euromillions etc and no rich relatives to leave me a legacy. But, for the sake of discussion, if I did then I have far better things to spend it on than giving it away to a football club, especially one with so many fans berating the current board, (who have done so much for the club), and demanding more. In fact, the first thing I'd do is leave Doncaster altogether - there's nothing to hold me here and I'd make quite a lot of people happy whilst retaining just enough to keep me comfortable. But as I say, it won't happen.
I'm becoming more and more disenchanted with football as a whole. When a player can be paid £10M a year for 5 years just to wear a particular make of boots while some Nurses, (and other people in jobs), are reliant on foodbanks then there's something drastically wrong with the way people are valued.
With respect to someone buying the club. Do you believe TB would just hand it over or would he have an asking price? Would the buyer have to replace the current business infrastructure? And do you seriously think that £2M a year in addition to our Club Doncaster/sustainability figures would be enough to guarantee promotion up to the Championship? And further, sustain us there? Or would the fans demand more if it wasn't working?
There's an old saying. "The quickest way to become a millionaire is to be a billionaire and buy a football club".
Right Kato, thanks for getting back to me, I thought you might have dodged a response.
Lots for me to answer and comment on then.
Your first point about never having £500m quid will apply to our readers but perhaps a few would like to own the club and not be averse to chucking £2m a year into the club, especially knowing that the money would be back in the bank before the next year came along.
Remember most of us are Yorkshiremen.
Perhaps most of us would also become philanthropists as well.
Point of order though, I didn’t suggest that £2m a year extra would get us to the Championship, I just said to help get promotion. I have said for years that it is increasingly difficult for clubs of our size to stay in the Championship should we ever get there.
I have said previously that Rovers should be a top half league one club given our set up and prospective fan base. When things are going well our attendances at up there with other top half league one clubs, excluding of course the “big” clubs who have slipped back temporarily.
As for TB, well I think he would have in mind a price for the Rovers and for it to be attractive enough to court an investor, it would have to include club Doncaster.
It is unlikely he would give it away.
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If you can put the histrionics to the side for one moment, the point was that there is very big money to be made from ‘selling’ (hope that helps calm you) 14 year old kids, arguably more than we would get for many of our first team squad members.
Not really. The whole thing is still sickening. I watched an u16 cup final fairly recently on TV, last year and I was gobsmacked how many lads from different countries were in both teams.
Are you still maintaining Rovers have engineered the moves for profit?
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It’s half seven on a Friday night. Get yourself off to the pub. Life’s too short.
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It’s half seven on a Friday night. Get yourself off to the pub. Life’s too short.
Deffo agree on that one!
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2m a year if you’ve got 500m is a interest rate of 0.4%. 2 million is a lot of money but you can see that if your that rich you can fund a club with that bit extra indefinitely and still increase your wealth. Even putting it in a building society would get you that amount many times over let alone the extra opportunities that amount of wealth gives to invest is better returns.
The owner would have to get enjoyment out of the club to do that. I’m not sure ours do anymore, or at least the ones left.
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Back to mid-table then.