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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Copps is Magic on March 12, 2023, 10:15:19 am
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18 years old and already looks like an assured championship standard defender to me. Big future in the game.
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Looks a cut above and 18. f**k me.
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18 years old and already looks like an assured championship standard defender to me. Big future in the game.
Absolutely agree. Had 1 poor game and got hammered on Tuesday night. Shocking really.
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Looks more comfortable playing in the middle of a back 3, good player though reminds me of a young Stones
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Easy on the eye, lots of passes sideways across his own goal and back to the keeper stats will always look good, one short across the goal of which we luckily got away with when they should have scored before they did, against better sides we will not get away with it, and Wimbledon showed nothing attacking wise to judge, probably the weakest attack we have come up against for quite a while, and still caused us the occasional problems, mostly cashing in on our own sloppy play of the defence in general.
Hopefully he is pleased as putting the results of games he played at Rochdale together with his games with us he has not had many winning bonus's.
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Thought he did well yesterday, I think having Tommy playing next to him probably helped.
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Easy on the eye, lots of passes sideways across his own goal and back to the keeper stas will always look good, one short across the goal of which we luckily got away with when they should have scored before they did, against better sides we will not get away with it, and Wimbledon showed nothing attacking wise to judge, probably the weakest attack we have come up against for quite a while, and still caused us the occasional problems, mostly cashing in on our own sloppy play of the defence in general.
Hopefully he is pleased as putting the results of games he played at Rochdale together with his games us he has not had many winning bonus's.
He could probably put in a performance like Beckenbauer in his prime and still wouldn’t get any praise from you unless he had the name “Faulkner” on the back of his shirt ;) :lol:
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He was horrendous last week. Will be a decent player in time though.
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18 years old and already looks like an assured championship standard defender to me. Big future in the game.
Absolutely agree. Had 1 poor game and got hammered on Tuesday night. Shocking really.
Nelson did have a dodgy game against Harrogate but I don’t think he got hammered on here.
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To be honest Nick I would like to see him Anderson and Faulkner and Olowu as our central defenders, his weakness is defending and I think there are a lot of young defenders very much alike, coached the same and have the same game, its academy football, very few are with top clubs abroad, they prefer South American or African more robust what we call old fashioned defenders as I do.
At the very top you need to be nasty physical and even brutal at times, the reason Argentina won the world cup, Van Dyke was rated one of the best and the lad from Real Madrid at Man U is feared, all would chop you in half mate to stop you at a heart beat.
Lot's can knock the ball about, top sides want them to waiting for the inevitable mistake.
As a matter of fact the best central defender I have seen this season is Jack Turner with Burnley u23s can play is 6ft 6ins and played for Barking last season, that's where to pick them up from, Burnley gave him a twelve month contract if they get promotion one I would chase on loan or sign if out of contract and not kept on, just a thought.
Yesterday in the first quarter he made that mistake and we got away with it, another day ten minutes later we could have been two down not one and two bad mistakes and the crowd would have got on the players backs, obviously we see different things.
By the way when I first saw Beckenbauer play he played right midfield and moved later to an out and out Sweeper, not a central defender, Germany always had two sh**houses there.
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Going to be a really good player, as is Faulkner.
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Nelson reminds me of Wheater we had on loan from Boro when he was 19/20.
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To reiterate what I’ve said in the ‘No Tom’ post, for an eighteen year old he plays with a lot of confidence in his ability but, he won’t come up against much poorer teams than Wimbledon.
Racking my brains to think of the young centre back we had on loan (& what season it was) from Middlesbrough who was the same age?
He reeked class.
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To be honest Nick I would like to see him Anderson and Faulkner as our central defenders, his weakness is defending and I think there are a lot of young defenders very much alike, coached the same and have the same game, its academy football, very few are with top clubs abroad, they prefer South American or African more robust what we call old fashioned defenders as I do.
At the very top you need to be nasty physical and even brutal at times, the reason Argentina won the world cup, Van Dyke was rated one of the best and the lad from Real Madrid at Man U is feared, all would chop you in half mate to stop you at a heart beat.
Lot's can knock the ball about, top sides want them to waiting for the inevitable mistake.
As a matter of fact the best central defender I have seen this season is Jack Turner with Burnley u23s can play is 6ft 6ins and played for Barking last season, that's where to pick them up from, Burnley gave him a twelve month contract if they get promotion one I would chase on loan or sign if out of contract and not kept on, just a thought.
Yesterday in the first quarter he made that mistake and we got away with it, another day ten minutes later we could have been two down not one and two bad mistakes and the crowd would have got on the players backs, obviously we see different things.
By the way when I first saw Beckenbauer play he played right midfield and moved later to an out and out Sweeper, not a central defender, Germany always had two sh**houses there.
I would not imagine many knowledgeable fans would knock this unless they have been caught up in the curse of playing square pegs in round holes.
As seems to be the direction of travel in lots of clubs (we are no exception) that you can get players to adapt and play in certain positions because they are deemed to be adaptable and experienced enough to make the change, then we can utilise their major plus points in the new position. WRONG.
In our club at this time we have this issue with T Rowe, who has been a great player for us and has served us well, however to cover for "supposedly deficiencies in the team" we seem to be insistent in wanting to play him at Left back/left wing back or left side of a central three. The rational being he's "good on the ball and can create and distribute the ball out from the back" does anyone else buy into this?
Tommy is now reaching the twilight of his illustrious career but you could never say he would serve a club best by paying in any of those positions, that he makes a dutiful effort and does not look completely lost is down to Tummy's professional and experience. I still think he can do a job for us further up the pitch and assist in our midfield and attacking issues.
Going back to the point in hand, we need defenders, especially central defenders who can do the important thing called defending, first and foremost, if they are good on the ball, and can bring it out from the back without getting a nosebleed then great, but i want my central defenders fed on raw meat, theyy need to assert themselves on their attacker early doors and they need to let anyone else in the opposing team know they will also get some if the try it on. Its not backward or old fashioned to think like this, if you look at all the top teams in each division they all have a least one proper animal in the back line up. Its what differentiates then from the chaff.
We have a couple of good young prospects on our books, we are a fourth tier club, im not sure why we always need to presume that higher league clubs juniors are going to be a massive upgrade from our own at this stage of their career.
B Nelson looks a good prospect, he can hold his own in our side, can defend a ball in the air, block and stop an attacker running at him and has decent positional sense, his distribution is safe more than dangerous, ie, he can pass back and sideways with the best of them but is less proficient with the killer ball forward out of defence, his lone forays forward have been fleeting but it looks like he can develop in this area, all in all a decent prospect for a club who ply their trade in the top two divisions.
Joe Olowu is a decent prospect, he has good physical abilities can win headers and tackles, has pace, strength , can pass a ball and regularly looks to make forays forward, looking dangerous and penetrating, is he any less a prospect?
Ben Faulkner from what i've seen of him has all the physical attributes for a good young modern canter back, has good pace, strength and is committed, looks to me like he has a desire and drive that will run him through doors and any forward in his way, attacks a ball like a young Ton Anderson in his pomp and looks to have a tactical brain to boot, like any youngster at this stage of their career, they need to learn to control their inner drive and not over commit, some look to be better equipped than others in this area but at the same time no one would want to knock a young players determination and drive out of them, if Ben continues to develop at his current trajectory then im thinking he could be a very influential player for a club over the next ten years or so, lets hope some of it is with us, Is he any less a prospect?
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To be honest Nick I would like to see him Anderson and Faulkner as our central defenders, his weakness is defending and I think there are a lot of young defenders very much alike, coached the same and have the same game, its academy football, very few are with top clubs abroad, they prefer South American or African more robust what we call old fashioned defenders as I do.
At the very top you need to be nasty physical and even brutal at times, the reason Argentina won the world cup, Van Dyke was rated one of the best and the lad from Real Madrid at Man U is feared, all would chop you in half mate to stop you at a heart beat.
Lot's can knock the ball about, top sides want them to waiting for the inevitable mistake.
As a matter of fact the best central defender I have seen this season is Jack Turner with Burnley u23s can play is 6ft 6ins and played for Barking last season, that's where to pick them up from, Burnley gave him a twelve month contract if they get promotion one I would chase on loan or sign if out of contract and not kept on, just a thought.
Yesterday in the first quarter he made that mistake and we got away with it, another day ten minutes later we could have been two down not one and two bad mistakes and the crowd would have got on the players backs, obviously we see different things.
By the way when I first saw Beckenbauer play he played right midfield and moved later to an out and out Sweeper, not a central defender, Germany always had two sh**houses there.
I would not imagine many knowledgeable fans would knock this unless they have been caught up in the curse of playing square pegs in round holes.
As seems to be the direction of travel in lots of clubs (we are no exception) that you can get players to adapt and play in certain positions because they are deemed to be adaptable and experienced enough to make the change, then we can utilise their major plus points in the new position. WRONG.
In our club at this time we have this issue with T Rowe, who has been a great player for us and has served us well, however to cover for "supposedly deficiencies in the team" we seem to be insistent in wanting to play him at Left back/left wing back or left side of a central three. The rational being he's "good on the ball and can create and distribute the ball out from the back" does anyone else buy into this?
Tommy is now reaching the twilight of his illustrious career but you could never say he would serve a club best by paying in any of those positions, that he makes a dutiful effort and does not look completely lost is down to Tummy's professional and experience. I still think he can do a job for us further up the pitch and assist in our midfield and attacking issues.
Going back to the point in hand, we need defenders, especially central defenders who can do the important thing called defending, first and foremost, if they are good on the ball, and can bring it out from the back without getting a nosebleed then great, but i want my central defenders fed on raw meat, theyy need to assert themselves on their attacker early doors and they need to let anyone else in the opposing team know they will also get some if the try it on. Its not backward or old fashioned to think like this, if you look at all the top teams in each division they all have a least one proper animal in the back line up. Its what differentiates then from the chaff.
We have a couple of good young prospects on our books, we are a fourth tier club, im not sure why we always need to presume that higher league clubs juniors are going to be a massive upgrade from our own at this stage of their career.
B Nelson looks a good prospect, he can hold his own in our side, can defend a ball in the air, block and stop an attacker running at him and has decent positional sense, his distribution is safe more than dangerous, ie, he can pass back and sideways with the best of them but is less proficient with the killer ball forward out of defence, his lone forays forward have been fleeting but it looks like he can develop in this area, all in all a decent prospect for a club who ply their trade in the top two divisions.
Joe Olowu is a decent prospect, he has good physical abilities can win headers and tackles, has pace, strength , can pass a ball and regularly looks to make forays forward, looking dangerous and penetrating, is he any less a prospect?
Ben Faulkner from what i've seen of him has all the physical attributes for a good young modern canter back, has good pace, strength and is committed, looks to me like he has a desire and drive that will run him through doors and any forward in his way, attacks a ball like a young Ton Anderson in his pomp and looks to have a tactical brain to boot, like any youngster at this stage of their career, they need to learn to control their inner drive and not over commit, some look to be better equipped than others in this area but at the same time no one would want to knock a young players determination and drive out of them, if Ben continues to develop at his current trajectory then im thinking he could be a very influential player for a club over the next ten years or so, lets hope some of it is with us, Is he any less a prospect?
Great post Danumdon.
Problem is it would seem DS wants at least 2 of his 3 centre backs to be Beckenbaur’s
He seems to think we are a Premier League club or at least we can play like one.
That theory is flawed though isn’t it. To play like a Premier league club you need Premier league players.
Not noticed we have too many of them in our squad.
Yes Nelson is on loan from Leicester who are Premier league but he has only played U21 football and that’s a far cry from the real thing.
In league 2 you need defenders 1st and foremost and Olowu is a proper defender. Anderson also when he is 100% fit. TR is doing a decent job but his creative attributes and goal scoring ability is completely wasted playing in a back 3/5
Nelson is a great prospect and am sure will go on to play at at least Championship level.
Faulkner is an old fashioned centre back a bit raw, but with this season, possibly next season also, playing regular 1st team men’s football at National league North / National league he will be ready for the rigours of League 2 or league 1 football playing along side a more experienced centre back ( in a 2 ) or backs ( in a 3 )
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Very impressed with him since joining, was written off when he signed because he “couldn’t get in rochdales team” but he’s been very good not just on the ball but defending aswell, great block in the second half yesterday and wins the majority of his aerial duels.
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Im thinking now this season is a write off, we will not go down or up, would it not be a good use of our time and resources to get our young prospects into the first team squad and onto the pitch, give them some game time and experience that they cannot get or buy in the none leagues.
Who knows, we may just realise that a young prospect is just that, a prospect , regardless of what club he comes from.
Might save us some cash and loan spots for next season, the direction the club is going in i would of thought saving cash on un required and costly loans or squad players is a must.
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Im thinking now this season is a write off, we will not go down or up, would it not be a good use of our time and resources to get our young prospects into the first team squad and onto the pitch, give them some game time and experience that they cannot get or buy in the none leagues.
Who knows, we may just realise that a young prospect is just that, a prospect , regardless of what club he comes from.
Might save us some cash and loan spots for next season, the direction the club is going in i would of thought saving cash on un required and costly loans or squad players is a must.
I don’t think we will get in the top 7 because of our inconsistencies all season but we aren’t actually out of it yet, we’re 6 points off Salford with a game in hand and to play them next week. Yes there’s others in better positions (Mansfield got 3 games in hand) but IF we can get a run of form going and get our top goalscorer firing again after getting one yesterday u never know and we also have one of the easiest run ins on paper (8 of our last 11 are against 14th and below). I wouldn’t write the season off just yet and even if we don’t get the play offs at least let’s finish the season on a high going into next season.
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Im thinking now this season is a write off, we will not go down or up, would it not be a good use of our time and resources to get our young prospects into the first team squad and onto the pitch, give them some game time and experience that they cannot get or buy in the none leagues.
Who knows, we may just realise that a young prospect is just that, a prospect , regardless of what club he comes from.
Might save us some cash and loan spots for next season, the direction the club is going in i would of thought saving cash on un required and costly loans or squad players is a must.
I don’t think we will get in the top 7 because of our inconsistencies all season but we aren’t actually out of it yet, we’re 6 points off Salford with a game in hand and to play them next week. Yes there’s others in better positions (Mansfield got 3 games in hand) but IF we can get a run of form going and get our top goalscorer firing again after getting one yesterday u never know and we also have one of the easiest run ins on paper (8 of our last 11 are against 14th and below). I wouldn’t write the season off just yet and even if we don’t get the play offs at least let’s finish the season on a high going into next season.
Agreed about ending the season well.
A poor end to the season can often roll over into the next one, as happened to us.
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Im all for ending the season well, if this means we utilise loanees like B Nelson till the end of the season what happens next season when we don't have them?
Would it not make sense to try to incorporate one or two of our "own" prospects into the side to see if we can save ourselves some cash next season ?
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To reiterate what I’ve said in the ‘No Tom’ post, for an eighteen year old he plays with a lot of confidence in his ability but, he won’t come up against much poorer teams than Wimbledon.
Racking my brains to think of the young centre back we had on loan (& what season it was) from Middlesbrough who was the same age?
He reeked class.
Wheater went on to have a good career in the Championship mostly, for decent clubs. Passed the ball with his head though.
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Im all for ending the season well, if this means we utilise loanees like B Nelson till the end of the season what happens next season when we don't have them?
Would it not make sense to try to incorporate one or two of our "own" prospects into the side to see if we can save ourselves some cash next season ?
then we will have a full pre season to try bring players like Faulkner in, we’ve seen over the last 2 years, the ending to a season normally carries over to the next.
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Im all for ending the season well, if this means we utilise loanees like B Nelson till the end of the season what happens next season when we don't have them?
Would it not make sense to try to incorporate one or two of our "own" prospects into the side to see if we can save ourselves some cash next season ?
then we will have a full pre season to try bring players like Faulkner in, we’ve seen over the last 2 years, the ending to a season normally carries over to the next.
We all know that any pre season warm up games are just that, getting ready for a season, they bare no resemblance to full on league matches , for youngsters these are like gold dust.
I would say what we have seen over the last few years is the change in managerial positions, this has a far more potent attribute to starting a season off badly, if you keep starting from scratch each season then it stands to reason you are always playing catch up.
What i'm proposing is exactly the opposite, getting some continuity into out squad for a change.
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To reiterate what I’ve said in the ‘No Tom’ post, for an eighteen year old he plays with a lot of confidence in his ability but, he won’t come up against much poorer teams than Wimbledon.
Racking my brains to think of the young centre back we had on loan (& what season it was) from Middlesbrough who was the same age?
He reeked class.
Just mentioned him ( Wheater ) in the post before yours no 11. Yes he was class for his age.
Played quite a bit in the premier league as well as the Championship.
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I bet even Leicester City would swop their technical central Defenders at present for the two Sh**houses they used to have at the back in Robert Huth and Wes Morgan, now they were proper defenders who left technical players floundering, and with a good keeper and an ex non league striker left the rest of the premiership in their wake with two traditional big stoppers.
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Ben been called up for England U19 and will games against Crawley and Northampton
From DRFC website
Rovers defender Ben Nelson has been called up into the England U19s squad for their upcoming UEFA European Championship qualifiers.
The Leicester loanee has been rewarded after impressing in his nine appearances since joining Rovers in January.
Nelson will be part of a side that goes up against Hungary, Iceland and Turkey on home soil.
The call-up means the 18-year-old will be unavailable for Rovers’ Sky Bet League Two fixtures against Crawley Town and Northampton Town respectively.
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Congratulations to Ben
Does that mean Ro Sean Williams gets a recall?
Or does he play a back 4
If Anderson is fit I suspect he will stay with 3 central defenders.
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Would’ve thought for them 2 games the back 3 will be Olowu, Anderson and Rowe with Brown and Seaman wing backs (if all fit).
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Do we have a call back clause for Bobby Faulkener?
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Do we have a call back clause for Bobby Faulkener?
don’t know but doubt we would use it if we did anyway, the club will have known he’s a regular with the u19s so would’ve known he will probs miss these 2 games.
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Bobby Faulkner has a recall written into his loan extension.
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Getting more game time. Played 90 minutes in the Leicester third and fourth round victories this month. Still only 19. Thought he looked very impressive with us.