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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on March 12, 2023, 12:38:02 pm
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My first game live for a while yesterday for reasons not connected with football and much more important to me, and thought the game was between two poor teams with not a lot between them, and in our case a much better atmosphere in the camp than what was on show just the last midweek game.
The win seems to have glossed over the fact that really the football displayed was not that great, in fact error strewn in places followed by some decent passing movements, but the feeling both teams would struggle against any of the top teams in the division.
Was it at last a rocket delivered by the manager that made a difference? have we at last stumbled on a set of players who have pride in representing our club? most looking at the team selection before the game were questioning the team selection and names like Anderson missing, or have we got to that part of the season when players on show play for and do the extra for another contract, or to get away somewhere else? certainly Close covered more ground and did more than other occasions, or was it the fact that Wimbledon were not very good at stopping us from playing like Harrogate did mid week after the first twenty minutes when they realised they could roll us over.
I guess like false dawns all season we will have to wait and see, and one small mercy we have reached the fifty point mark so should be able to plan for this league next season where a big improvement will be needed to do well in the division by this group who have been very inconsistent all season up to press.
Salford for their part sit in the last promotion spot six points in front of ourselves us with a game in hand, and themselves less consistent at home than ourselves where we have picked up most of our points despite losing seven games and some abject performances, with MCanely their top score on nine league goals and coming to the game having lost a thriller 4-3 at Crewe yesterday so they are not the giants of the division and can be got at if we play well which gives us a little hope.
As has been said on other threads, we need to finish the season on a high, some of the players also need to to rescue anything of what their reputations have been before joining us, and the manager needs to keep finding a way to cobble results together, not the continual inconsistency of the season up to press, so this game takes on more importance after the result yesterday, and to even contemplate a late run to challenge for a play off place something that every season see's a team do it, we need to go for wins, cut out the mistakes, and get the ball forward for our front attackers to have a chance.
What do you think? lots to discuss, please have your say.
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Fairly average home record, pretty much middle of the road for League Two. 8-5-5.
Recent form all over the place - last 10 is won 4, lost 4, drawn 2.
Basically anything will happen but as our recent away form isn’t great, you’d think we’d struggle next week.
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At least the game away has novelty value as a new ground and could attract a decent following and a good atmosphere, the game is there to be won, play well and we have a chance, but we will have to step up from yesterday as both teams in that game playing the same level will not worry play off level teams even in this division.
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They’ve got Galbraith, McAleny, Louie Barry and that massive lump Smith. Alex Cairns from Donny is on loan there. They also have our old mate Elliot Simões.
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Fairly average home record, pretty much middle of the road for League Two. 8-5-5.
Recent form all over the place - last 10 is won 4, lost 4, drawn 2.
Basically anything will happen but as our recent away form isn’t great, you’d think we’d struggle next week.
We have different definitions of “recent”, 10 home games for them takes you back exactly 4 months to the middle of November…
Their last 6 is probably a better measure of recent form, where they have won 4, drawn 1, lost 1, although that draw and defeat did come in their last 3.
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The last 10 games cited are the last 10 games home and away, going back to 26 January. That’s recent form.
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Fairly average home record, pretty much middle of the road for League Two. 8-5-5.
Recent form all over the place - last 10 is won 4, lost 4, drawn 2.
Basically anything will happen but as our recent away form isn’t great, you’d think we’d struggle next week.
Ah fair dos, given your first para referred to their home form and your last para referred to our away form I thought the second was also focussing on the more relevant home record. I stand corrected.
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We should be going there and winning, but the consistency of our side hasn’t been good all season.
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They have a bad pitch
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We should be going there and winning, but the consistency of our side hasn’t been good all season.
Why should we be going there and winning? what are you basing that on?
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We should be going there and winning, but the consistency of our side hasn’t been good all season.
Why should we be going there and winning? what are you basing that on?
Their bad pitch?
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I'm looking forward to standing up! It'll be like the good old days on the pop side.
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We should be going there and winning, but the consistency of our side hasn’t been good all season.
Why should we be going there and winning? what are you basing that on?
Their bad pitch?
Aye cos they won't be used to it at all...
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There were over 1,000 tickets sold by 14:00 today, think we’ll shift many more. £15 is a decent price though and not a bad trip.
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Their average gate is 2,500 and the ground only holds 5,000. Us taking 1,000 plus will almost match their crowd.
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We should be going there and winning, but the consistency of our side hasn’t been good all season.
Why should we be going there and winning? what are you basing that on?
If we have any notions of promotion, we need to go there and win. Our consistency though doesn’t suggest we will.
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Salford is 1 of only 2 grounds in tier 4 to chalk off.
Other one on Tuesday at Crawley. Like buses they come along together.
That leaves Forest Green Rovers only out of the current 72 EFL clubs.
Assuming they come down and we don’t go up ( wishful thinking ) then should hopefully be able to chalk that one off next season. :thumbsup:
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There were over 1,000 tickets sold by 14:00 today, think we’ll shift many more. £15 is a decent price though and not a bad trip.
which makes it even more baffling that they brought about 50 when they were actually top of the table, early season?..
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We should be going there and winning, but the consistency of our side hasn’t been good all season.
Why should we be going there and winning? what are you basing that on?
If we have any notions of promotion, we need to go there and win. Our consistency though doesn’t suggest we will.
So what you're saying is there's not really anything to suggest that we "should be going there and winning?"
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I'm looking forward to this. A decent away turnout should spur the team on to a good solid performance.
But it's Rovers so we know anything is possible.
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Gutted I can’t make this one.
The same formation is essential as they have the top assister in the league in Watts and Galbraith, who we know is a very tidy footballer. We can’t get outnumbered in midfield. Rowe or Hurst as the third midfielder?
I’d start with going back to Anderson in the middle of defence again, with Olowu and Nelson either side as they have some bright young talent in attack. But can throw on the lump Matt Smith if they are desperate.
Now to our attack. Although 2 up gave much needed support to Miller, and Molyneux put in some hard work off the ball, he was very disappointing on it yet again. Lavery deserves a chance and I hope to see him get his first goal for us.
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Is there any news on Mitchell
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Is there any news on Mitchell
DFP predicting he starts or a last minute emergency loan.
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U18 Goodman not playing against Rotherham today, Rovers winning 2. 0 at the moment, could he be in todays first t team match day squad.
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If we are missing Nelson on Tuesday I wouldn’t risk Anderson today.
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U18 Goodman not playing against Rotherham today, Rovers winning 2. 0 at the moment, could he be in todays first t team match day squad.
He could be in the first team squad today or am I right in thinking that Rotherham United youth is spectacularly bad and they are maybe sparing him from that match anyway?
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Really committed team going for the play-off places, and no that isn't Rovers. Not expecting a lot today 3-0 for the home team, prove me wrong please DS!
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First trip here and what a joke of a place. Separate queues for food and beer food soft drink’s cash only, empty everything out of pockets
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Looks like Rovers forced into the Emegency loan keeper. Just announced. Stuart Moore from Blackpool.
Obvs has to give Mitchell every chance before going for the loan.
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Looks like donny are getting gubbed by the HT stats.
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they are, predict 4-1
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Updated following the defeat today, Schofield fallen behind McSheffrey on a ppg basis:
Schofield 29 points from 22 games - 1.3 ppg
McSheffrey 21 points from 14 games - 1.5 ppg
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Bring back McSheffrey ?
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39% possession.
7 shots.
Just one on target
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It’s a disgrace how our wonderful club being managed both on and off the field, all that momentum that was built starting with JR over 20 years ago, has now vanished, we’re the joke of South Yorkshire again.
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Updated following the defeat today, Schofield fallen behind McSheffrey on a ppg basis:
Schofield 29 points from 22 games - 1.3 ppg
McSheffrey 21 points from 14 games - 1.5 ppg
On that basis can the club justify keeping Schofield as manager for next season?
There is no sign of him improving the team through either coaching or signing new players and his tactical approach produces ineffective, boring dross.
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There's only one direction the club is heading in, and that's downwards.
People thinking other are deluding themselves.
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Proper rubbish that again. No positives really.
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If there's no visible signs of improvement in the last 10 games then surely he's got to go?
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There's only one direction the club is heading in, and that's downwards.
People thinking other are deluding themselves.
I think everyone knows that Steve. They might not admit it but they know.
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That was really really poor
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Some look at reality, others fantasy.
Our goal difference compared to the other teams shows where we are as a team.
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There's only one direction the club is heading in, and that's downwards.
People thinking other are deluding themselves.
I think everyone knows that Steve. They might not admit it but they know.
Not everyone. Still been some delusional talk of playoffs on here the last few days.
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We are mid-table also rans in the lowest professional tier of the game because we almost always play badly. Not just inconsistent, but bad. Nobody who watches us regularly gets to see good football. Even when we win, it’s pretty bad. It’s slow, predictable, powder puff and self-inflicted disaster lurks around every corner. We are rank bad - and of the XI that ended the game today almost half of them were signed by Schofield.
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Didn't tune in at all today. How was it today? Any good points or the same old shit?
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That was woeful
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Not a chance for the play offs. We might as well re name ourselves lightweight FC. Not a bit of fight in any of us. Powder puff. This season is done.
It’s next season I’m really worried about with this fraud in charge.
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Another half hearted performance, to mistakes cost us two goals . Millers goal was the only bright moment of the game . This has got to be one of the worst Rovers squads ever assembled!!
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We only started playing around the 75 min mark, the game was over then, and even then we still stank the place out !
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Updated following the defeat today, Schofield fallen behind McSheffrey on a ppg basis:
Schofield 29 points from 22 games - 1.3 ppg
McSheffrey 21 points from 14 games - 1.5 ppg
On that basis can the club justify keeping Schofield as manager for next season?
There is no sign of him improving the team through either coaching or signing new players and his tactical approach produces ineffective, boring dross.
There's the rub, there is absolutely no improvement whatsoever, & there are no signs of any either, utterly depressing.
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That 2nd half was a total disgrace.
No fight, not even ant sign of tactical acumen from DS
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There's only one direction the club is heading in, and that's downwards.
People thinking other are deluding themselves.
I think everyone knows that Steve. They might not admit it but they know.
Not everyone. Still been some delusional talk of playoffs on here the last few days.
This is what astounds me. We haven’t been in the play offs all season bar one week. Does anyone who watches us think we are in form that can accrue points at a greater rate than we have at any other stage in the season? There is zero sign of that happening and other than the very dog days of McSheffrey, this side is playing as badly as they have all season. What do these people think is going to happen? We are not yo-yoing in and out of the play offs. We are never there!
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Updated following the defeat today, Schofield fallen behind McSheffrey on a ppg basis:
Schofield 29 points from 22 games - 1.3 ppg
McSheffrey 21 points from 14 games - 1.5 ppg
On that basis can the club justify keeping Schofield as manager for next season?
There is no sign of him improving the team through either coaching or signing new players and his tactical approach produces ineffective, boring dross.
There's only one direction the club is heading in, and that's downwards.
People thinking other are deluding themselves.
I think everyone knows that Steve. They might not admit it but they know.
Not everyone. Still been some delusional talk of playoffs on here the last few days.
This is what astounds me. We haven’t been in the play offs all season bar one week. Does anyone who watches us think we are in form that can accrue points at a greater rate than we have at any other stage in the season? There is zero sign of that happening and other than the very dog days of McSheffrey, this side is playing as badly as they have all season. What do these people think is going to happen? We are not yo-yoing in and out of the play offs. We are never there!
Totally this. It really worries me he will be given the summer, nothing against the guy himself, but there are no signs of him taking us forward, that support we had today deserves better, it's a crying shame.
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Club is completely on its arse, keep these idiots and manager in charge and we will be in a relegation battle next season.
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There's only one direction the club is heading in, and that's downwards.
People thinking other are deluding themselves.
I think everyone knows that Steve. They might not admit it but they know.
Not everyone. Still been some delusional talk of playoffs on here the last few days.
Exactly, while I admire their positivity, the realty is very different.
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And I know they have a bit of money behind them but they had a gate today of less than 3,000 of which we made up 1/3, have a middling home record which was not as good as our home record as comparison, and were on the very edges of the play offs, yet we went there and nobody sentient expected us to come away with anything. How this has come to happen I have absolutely no idea.
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I think only a fool will not realise now that there are major issues within the club, from top to bottom. I don't think it's all down to cash but I strongly suspect that a genuine lack of investment is at the heart of most things. That, and the recruitment policy regarding managers and players over the last two years which must be just about the worst among all 72 clubs within the EFL!
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I think only a fool will not realise now that there are major issues within the club, from top to bottom. I don't think it's all down to cash but I strongly suspect that a genuine lack of investment is at the heart of most things. That, and the recruitment policy regarding managers and players over the last two years which must be just about the worst among all 72 clubs within the EFL!
The most truthful and correct post I have seen on here for some time. This exactly where we are.
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We really do need to get rid of the pit pat soft underbelly players and system we are trying to instil in really not that good a players, and change the game plan to uncompromising winning football, and encourage our forward players to attack defenders on the run with the ball, and get defenders who are defenders first and physical.
It's time to stop dreaming of making a silk purse out of a pigs bladder.
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I think only a fool will not realise now that there are major issues within the club, from top to bottom. I don't think it's all down to cash but I strongly suspect that a genuine lack of investment is at the heart of most things. That, and the recruitment policy regarding managers and players over the last two years which must be just about the worst among all 72 clubs within the EFL!
When our own manager goes cap in hand to recruit from his very own agent, you know that recruitment is not what it could, and should be.
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I think it's clear that Schofield has a system and he's not going to shift from this. The question is whether he can get better players to make that system work better or indeed work at all. I don't think we are going to get exciting and flowing football from him, but with better players it might be enough to get us out of here next season. We can hope at least.
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I think it's clear that Schofield has a system and he's not going to shift from this. The question is whether he can get better players to make that system work better or indeed work at all. I don't think we are going to get exciting and flowing football from him, but with better players it might be enough to get us out of here next season. We can hope at least.
we have no money to get better players thou
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Utter embarrassment 2nd half, any player, or manager worth their salt (knowing in effect it's the last chance to pressure the play offs), would have come out 2nd half & showed at least a bit of motivation or urgency for the fans that they didn't deserve today, & have a go. We showed absolutely nothing, players ambling about like it's a friendly, & an utterly clueless manager, who has no idea how to set a side up for this league.
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Schofield has been in charge for 22 league games and has now managed to lose more (10) than he has won (9), in addition to the historically bad result in the FA Cup which was the first time as a league club we have ever been beaten at home by a non-league side.
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We really do need to get rid of the pit pat soft underbelly players and system we are trying to instil in really not that good a players, and change the game plan to uncompromising winning football, and encourage our forward players to attack defenders on the run with the ball, and get defenders who are defenders first and physical.
It's time to stop dreaming of making a silk purse out of a pigs bladder.
Exactly, Brian. We need a John Coleman or a Paul Warne type of manager, and a team of big, strong, athletic players playing direct football.
This is not La Liga, it's League 2 FFS.
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This is the tale of two season's , bear with me .
Two season's ago we had a HC who quickly identified what the players he'd inherited could do and what they couldn't .
They were extremely fit and energetic and had quite a bit of physicality about them so we got the ball forward extremely quickly and direct , the front three pressed the life out of defenders who then had no option but to kick it long too , only we had our three man defensive line parked on the half way line waiting to return it back quickly .
Good championship teams with multi million pound players couldn't cope and they crumbled , they couldn't handle the pressure we put on them and made mistake after mistake after mistake , we finished 5th with 78 championship points .
It wasn't great to watch but my word it was effective .
Said coach leaves for WBA and incoming coach comes in and thinks we can build on 5th by playing more football , he throws the previous season's tactics out of the window .
We finish rock bottom and lucky to get 30 points .
That's a 48 point differential with the very same players minus Mowatt and Dike .
Whilst nobody expected another play off place we didn't expect rock bottom either and the worst season for 40 years .
To witness both season's was extraordinary .
The moral of the story is , know your players and stop trying to put square pegs in round holes .
This isn't a complicated game , it's complicated by idiots .
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I think it's clear that Schofield has a system and he's not going to shift from this. The question is whether he can get better players to make that system work better or indeed work at all. I don't think we are going to get exciting and flowing football from him, but with better players it might be enough to get us out of here next season. We can hope at least.
we have no money to get better players thou
What's your source for that?
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I think it's clear that Schofield has a system and he's not going to shift from this. The question is whether he can get better players to make that system work better or indeed work at all. I don't think we are going to get exciting and flowing football from him, but with better players it might be enough to get us out of here next season. We can hope at least.
Agreed. Making the most of what you’ve got is the key to success in any sport, but DS’s objective is to fit what he’s got into an inflexible plan. Just a bit of give and take could improve things, but as I’ve been saying for a long time, you only have to listen to him to know that he will not compromise or adjust. I don’t see enough of them to know whether the current players could be more successful if he allowed them more freedom, but it surely could not be worse.
Is their complacency a reflection of an imagined belief that all the manager expects of them is to populate the Schofield template?
I am not sure I’d want a team who performed his way and as is agreed, it would surely involve unaffordable expense and even then would it work in League 2?
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We really do need to get rid of the pit pat soft underbelly players and system we are trying to instil in really not that good a players, and change the game plan to uncompromising winning football, and encourage our forward players to attack defenders on the run with the ball, and get defenders who are defenders first and physical.
It's time to stop dreaming of making a silk purse out of a pigs bladder.
Exactly, Brian. We need a John Coleman or a Paul Warne type of manager, and a team of big, strong, athletic players playing direct football.
This is not La Liga, it's League 2 FFS.
Someone let Leyton Orient know.
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DO ?
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We really do need to get rid of the pit pat soft underbelly players and system we are trying to instil in really not that good a players, and change the game plan to uncompromising winning football, and encourage our forward players to attack defenders on the run with the ball, and get defenders who are defenders first and physical.
It's time to stop dreaming of making a silk purse out of a pigs bladder.
Exactly, Brian. We need a John Coleman or a Paul Warne type of manager, and a team of big, strong, athletic players playing direct football.
This is not La Liga, it's League 2 FFS.
Current situation reminds of that old joke where a lad is lost in Ireland I think is was. He stops an old fella and asks him the way to process driven possession based football. Old fella turns to him and says "well young lad I wouldn't start from here".
For Copps to install someone like Schofield and insist that he plays the way he does, with the resources he has, is bonkers.
Can't believe there ain't been a poll about DS yet.
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Capitulation,
Totally and utterly by the players, manager and owners. We are football club that is utterly devoid of anything that's good and right. I have grave doubts that this shower have the minerals to keep us in the league next season never mind get promoted.
First off the players, we are a club in absolute free fall, we have no leadership on the field, we have no strength and commitment and we have the heart of a mouse, no player today could say they put a proper shift in, we went down like pinballs in every and any tackle, where is the players responsibility and commitment to be fit and conditioned to play a full season, we are back to the old ways of the last few seasons, we have no impact resistance conditioning and we play like its a friendly seniors match. We look venerable and frightened every time a ball comes into our box, its just so humbling to watch, every week.
Now the management, (if you can call it that) we have a head coach who is so blinkered and rigid in his failing systems he played 41 mins with a left back who was totally exposed and getting taken to the cleaners at every opportunity, we finished the last game sort of resembling a football team because we played someone who can perform the duties of a left back, so what does our genius do! he decides to revert to Rowe at left back and sticks Seaman out wide on the right? why ! are we totally devoid of any common sense, we have been telling this joker all season that Rowe is not a left back and cannot tackle for his life, unbelievable. We continue to play Moly and Hurst who have the combined heart of an amoeba, no drive, desire or commitment to get up or down so both Miller is left abandoned again and the power puff midfield of Close and Biggins are given the protection of a chocolate fireguard, its so sad to see our club play like it's real level is tier 6 or lower, because make no mistake a none league club would right now take us to the cleaners.
We keep saying that we don't have the personnel to play this turgid and forced game, we put our central defenders under pressure every time we to play out from the back and we create every week chances for the opposition to punish us, and the do. It's really the definition of madness to keep on exposing these poor players to this awful setup.
I have grave doubts that this fella will have anything in his bag to improve us with next season, he would make premier league players look really poor with his forced and convoluted game plan. I complete no from me for next season.
Finally the owners, if we are insistent on starving the club of the type of finances to turn us into a middling 4th tier club then we as fans don't have a great deal that we can do bar stay away from the club and i feel that nest seasons crowds will be our poorest since we nearly folded, its going to be that poor because many fans will not pay good money to be exposed to a a level of football they can watch for nothing on a Sunday morning on pitches right across town.
Its not working, your whole business case is weak and ineffective for our team to compete, even at the top of the bottom league in pro football, we have limited funds, poor players, shocking manager and a HOF who really should now take himself out of the firing line instead of being the fall guy for this shit show.
Can i respectively say to you, please take you money, plan and club Donny and stick it where the sun does not shine, ever for us. Id rather we take our chances with anyone bar this setup, its like watching your granny die, its a slow and painful existence for us,
We need a fresh start, if that means us being rid of this awful leadership that is going to see us in the none league again then im prepared to take my chance starting again , because the football cannot be any worse.
Ive just looked at my season ticket and flicked it across the room, the dog chased it, i don't know or care what he's done to it, as long as he's alright i've no desire to retrieve it whilst we persist with this debacle.
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Today was awful, Wimbledon was awful, Harrogate was awful. The crowd is really turning though, it was really hostile today, anti-Schofield chants all second half and even against the team not being fit to wear the shirt. The money we've wasted on sacking bad inexperienced managers could have been spent on a half-decent experienced manager and we'd still be in League 1. That was tough to take today. Really tough.
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Capitulation,
Totally and utterly by the players, manager and owners. We are football club that is utterly devoid of anything that's good and right. I have grave doubts that this shower have the minerals to keep us in the league next season never mind get promoted.
First off the players, we are a club in absolute free fall, we have no leadership on the field, we have no strength and commitment and we have the heart of a mouse, no player today could say they put a proper shift in, we went down like pinballs in every and any tackle, where is the players responsibility and commitment to be fit and conditioned to play a full season, we are back to the old ways of the last few seasons, we have no impact resistance conditioning and we play like its a friendly seniors match. We look venerable and frightened every time a ball comes into our box, its just so humbling to watch, every week.
Now the management, (if you can call it that) we have a head coach who is so blinkered and rigid in his failing systems he played 41 mins with a left back who was totally exposed and getting taken to the cleaners at every opportunity, we finished the last game sort of resembling a football team because we played someone who can perform the duties of a left back, so what does our genius do! he decides to revert to Rowe at left back and sticks Seaman out wide on the right? why ! are we totally devoid of any common sense, we have been telling this joker all season that Rowe is not a left back and cannot tackle for his life, unbelievable. We continue to play Moly and Hurst who have the combined heart of an amoeba, no drive, desire or commitment to get up or down so both Miller is left abandoned again and the power puff midfield of Close and Biggins are given the protection of a chocolate fireguard, its so sad to see our club play like it's real level is tier 6 or lower, because make no mistake a none league club would right now take us to the cleaners.
We keep saying that we don't have the personnel to play this turgid and forced game, we put our central defenders under pressure every time we to play out from the back and we create every week chances for the opposition to punish us, and the do. It's really the definition of madness to keep on exposing these poor players to this awful setup.
I have grave doubts that this fella will have anything in his bag to improve us with next season, he would make premier league players look really poor with his forced and convoluted game plan. I complete no from me for next season.
Finally the owners, if we are insistent on starving the club of the type of finances to turn us into a middling 4th tier club then we as fans don't have a great deal that we can do bar stay away from the club and i feel that nest seasons crowds will be our poorest since we nearly folded, its going to be that poor because many fans will not pay good money to be exposed to a a level of football they can watch for nothing on a Sunday morning on pitches right across town.
Its not working, your whole business case is weak and ineffective for our team to compete, even at the top of the bottom league in pro football, we have limited funds, poor players, shocking manager and a HOF who really should now take himself out of the firing line instead of being the fall guy for this shit show.
Can i respectively say to you, please take you money, plan and club Donny and stick it where the sun does not shine, ever for us. Id rather we take our chances with anyone bar this setup, its like watching your granny die, its a slow and painful existence for us,
We need a fresh start, if that means us being rid of this awful leadership that is going to see us in the none league again then im prepared to take my chance starting again , because the football cannot be any worse.
Ive just looked at my season ticket and flicked it across the room, the dog chased it, i don't know or care what he's done to it, as long as he's alright i've no desire to retrieve it whilst we persist with this debacle.
Although very well.written this is horrible to read. Because it is also true.
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Great statement Danum ! Every word is a 100% true.
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At the top end of the football pyramid, it seems Conte’s comments could ring true a bit closer to home?
Players playing for themselves? An out of touch ownership?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65002960
He said this, which we will never hear from the likes of DS.
"Until now I try to hide the situation but not now because, I repeat, I don't want to see what I have seen today because this is unacceptable and also unacceptable for the fans."
And of course DS isn’t without fault. Blinkered, uninspirational, inexperienced, lacklustre.
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I think it's clear that Schofield has a system and he's not going to shift from this. The question is whether he can get better players to make that system work better or indeed work at all. I don't think we are going to get exciting and flowing football from him, but with better players it might be enough to get us out of here next season. We can hope at least.
we have no money to get better players thou
Stop using budget as the reason for poor performances. It none sense. Total rubbish.
The players we have should and could be doing much much better than they are. I do think we are 3 or 4 players short of what we need in this league for top 3 but this team should be capable of top 7
The reason is squarely on the a manager / coach. He is trying to play a way which will not get success in this league. He is also unbelievably naive tactically. Also he must have almost zero motivational skills.
What in heavens name did he say to them at half time to produce one of the most disgraceful 45+ mins of football I have seen considering what was at stake in this match today.
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You're absolutely right. The second half was terrible, no fight or passion or quality. I like Miller but clearly he didn't fancy it and got 'injured' and went off. We have a great away following but we just end up watching apathetically as there's just nothing to get excited about. The most excited the crowd got was about a man who was wearing chinos in the away end. Says it all.
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We really do need to get rid of the pit pat soft underbelly players and system we are trying to instil in really not that good a players, and change the game plan to uncompromising winning football, and encourage our forward players to attack defenders on the run with the ball, and get defenders who are defenders first and physical.
It's time to stop dreaming of making a silk purse out of a pigs bladder.
Exactly, Brian. We need a John Coleman or a Paul Warne type of manager, and a team of big, strong, athletic players playing direct football.
This is not La Liga, it's League 2 FFS.
Someone let Leyton Orient know.
Well, the last time I saw Leyton Orient play, they didn't exactly look like f*cking Real Madrid.
However, the last 3 times I saw us play Rotherham, I saw a team of giants utterly and totally humiliate us. A club from a p*sspot little town that's got nothing going for it.
But, hey ho, if you're happy with nice guy Danny and his tippy tappy football, then dip your bread.
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I think it's clear that Schofield has a system and he's not going to shift from this. The question is whether he can get better players to make that system work better or indeed work at all. I don't think we are going to get exciting and flowing football from him, but with better players it might be enough to get us out of here next season. We can hope at least.
we have no money to get better players thou
Stop using budget as the reason for poor performances. It none sense. Total rubbish.
The players we have should and could be doing much much better than they are. I do think we are 3 or 4 players short of what we need in this league for top 3 but this team should be capable of top 7
The reason is squarely on the a manager / coach. He is trying to play a way which will not get success in this league. He is also unbelievably naive tactically. Also he must have almost zero motivational skills.
What in heavens name did he say to them at half time to produce one of the most disgraceful 45+ mins of football I have seen considering what was at stake in this match today.
Not defending the current style. But what way would you play with the players we have? What are their strengths as a group?
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It's false logic to assume more defenders = better defence. It just means more pressure on the defence as we play much more of the game in our own half. Two of the three goals today came directly from defensive errors, the third from an inability to track and mark. Five defenders plus Close and Biggins sat deep and slow is a crime against football. It's boring to watch and it means we are always under pressure which we can't cope with. If we were on the front foot up the other end of the pitch it'd take the pressure off the defence and if nothing else it would at least get the fans up and jumping and give us some excitement! Miller, Lavery, Hurst and Molyneux can be on the same pitch at the same time - time won't collapse in on itself - let Schofield know!
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It's false logic to assume more defenders = better defence. It just means more pressure on the defence as we play much more of the game in our own half. Two of the three goals today came directly from defensive errors, the third from an inability to track and mark. Five defenders plus Close and Biggins sat deep and slow is a crime against football. It's boring to watch and it means we are always under pressure which we can't cope with. If we were on the front foot up the other end of the pitch it'd take the pressure off the defence and if nothing else it would at least get the fans up and jumping and give us some excitement! Miller, Lavery, Hurst and Molyneux can be on the same pitch at the same time - time won't collapse in on itself - let Schofield know!
Bang on 100% :thumbsup:
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The sad thing is,. We gave them two soft goals, miller missed two one on ones at the end,. On another day, we take home an undeserved 3pts..
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I honestly wonder what the owners/board think when they watch what we've watched today. Is it ah well there’s always next week, or is it that's not acceptable for this club & it's supporters, without which, we are nothing.
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I think it's clear that Schofield has a system and he's not going to shift from this. The question is whether he can get better players to make that system work better or indeed work at all. I don't think we are going to get exciting and flowing football from him, but with better players it might be enough to get us out of here next season. We can hope at least.
we have no money to get better players thou
Stop using budget as the reason for poor performances. It none sense. Total rubbish.
The players we have should and could be doing much much better than they are. I do think we are 3 or 4 players short of what we need in this league for top 3 but this team should be capable of top 7
The reason is squarely on the a manager / coach. He is trying to play a way which will not get success in this league. He is also unbelievably naive tactically. Also he must have almost zero motivational skills.
What in heavens name did he say to them at half time to produce one of the most disgraceful 45+ mins of football I have seen considering what was at stake in this match today.
Not defending the current style. But what way would you play with the players we have? What are their strengths as a group?
A bit more direct, a lot more pace and attacking intent. In league 2 the centre halves need to defend and not much more. The full backs are too passive and don't create space going forward.
I'm not even going to mention the midfield.....
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I honestly wonder what the owners/board think when they watch what we've watched today. Is it ah well there’s always next week, or is it that's not acceptable for this club & it's supporters, without which, we are nothing.
It’s been downhill ever since Darren Moore left . Too many half hearted manger appointments who intern made mediocre player’s appointments. What is puzzling is how did they decide that James Coppinger who was so influential to the supporters on the pitch , that he was the answer to the problem off the pitch ?
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The sad thing is,. We gave them two soft goals, miller missed two one on ones at the end,. On another day, we take home an undeserved 3pts..
Possibly yes you’re right.
But even more sad is our ability to make a team like Salford who had one quality player in Galbraith in their team look almost decent. Salford are an average team at best. For them to be 7th in the League shows how poor this league is and how much we have underachieved this season.
We made it so easy for them today, not just in the fact of gifting them the 1st 2 goals but in our total no show apart from Miller’s misses in that 2nd half.
It’s sad that we have a manager who is unable to motivate, sad that we have no leadership on the pitch and even sadder that the players didn’t have enough pride in their own performances to allow that shambles of a display to become almost a regular occurrence.
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We keep signing pretty poor players so we will end up with a pretty poor team. Players are the most important thing to a football team. Hopefully James realises that his/the clubs eye for a player is atrocious and builds a structure to identify talent. Until that happens in a serious way, we will struggle to improve enough to be a threat in this division.
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What more is there to be said? Bag of shit today. First half was just 2 average teams. 2nd half we were embarrassing.
Pleased for George that he scored but that one he neshed in the 2nd half says it all. He doesn’t fancy himself to score. But that’s his job. He will be OK for us if he’s the second best striker we’ve got..
Todd Miller had his best game for us. That’s a fact. But why is he even playing? He should be off combing his hair.
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Today was totally unacceptable, the team that started was good enough to get a result there. Don’t know if Tommy’s legs have gone but Bolton will have given him nightmares. Brown wouldn’t get near the starting 11 again not good enough and not interested. I think there is only Nelson and possibly Seaman who can hold their heads high, i’d include Miller but for the one on ones
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We were absolutely garbage today. First half slightly less garbage than the 2nd, but on the whole all of it was utter dross.
Forget about attractive football and having an identity, we are a team that can’t even do the basics. Running, winning first and second balls, defending properly, passing the ball accurately. We are absolutely rancid.
We might as well rip it up and start planning for next season now with players that are likely to be here. I dread to think what next season will look like with our recruitment record though. And we had people saying we’d had a good January window. James Brown better than Knoyle?! Don’t make me laugh.
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The sad thing is,. We gave them two soft goals, miller missed two one on ones at the end,. On another day, we take home an undeserved 3pts..
Possibly yes you’re right.
But even more sad is our ability to make a team like Salford who had one quality player in Galbraith in their team look almost decent. Salford are an average team at best. For them to be 7th in the League shows how poor this league is and how much we have underachieved this season.
We made it so easy for them today, not just in the fact of gifting them the 1st 2 goals but in our total no show apart from Miller’s misses in that 2nd half.
It’s sad that we have a manager who is unable to motivate, sad that we have no leadership on the pitch and even sadder that the players didn’t have enough pride in their own performances to allow that shambles of a display to become almost a regular occurrence.
Camps, do you still think this group of players is good enough for a top seven finish.
I’m not trying to be funny or pick a fight but for some months now I haven’t had any enthusiasm or belief in them.
As for the style of play………..
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The sad thing is,. We gave them two soft goals, miller missed two one on ones at the end,. On another day, we take home an undeserved 3pts..
Possibly yes you’re right.
But even more sad is our ability to make a team like Salford who had one quality player in Galbraith in their team look almost decent. Salford are an average team at best. For them to be 7th in the League shows how poor this league is and how much we have underachieved this season.
We made it so easy for them today, not just in the fact of gifting them the 1st 2 goals but in our total no show apart from Miller’s misses in that 2nd half.
It’s sad that we have a manager who is unable to motivate, sad that we have no leadership on the pitch and even sadder that the players didn’t have enough pride in their own performances to allow that shambles of a display to become almost a regular occurrence.
Camps, do you still think this group of players is good enough for a top seven finish.
I’m not trying to be funny or pick a fight but for some months now I haven’t had any enthusiasm or belief in them.
As for the style of play………..
It isn’t now. Today was the last realistic chance. On that showing we are barely good enough to be out if the bottom 2 in the league.
But as a group of players with a fit Anderson in the team then they would be a top 7 team with a manager who had some ability to set the team up to attack with numbers. Play a system to suit what we have got.
He consistently plays Miller as a lone central striker and it clearly doesn’t work. We know it everyone in the world knows it but DS doesn’t.
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We really do need to get rid of the pit pat soft underbelly players and system we are trying to instil in really not that good a players, and change the game plan to uncompromising winning football, and encourage our forward players to attack defenders on the run with the ball, and get defenders who are defenders first and physical.
It's time to stop dreaming of making a silk purse out of a pigs bladder.
Exactly, Brian. We need a John Coleman or a Paul Warne type of manager, and a team of big, strong, athletic players playing direct football.
This is not La Liga, it's League 2 FFS.
Someone let Leyton Orient know.
Well, the last time I saw Leyton Orient play, they didn't exactly look like f*cking Real Madrid.
However, the last 3 times I saw us play Rotherham, I saw a team of giants utterly and totally humiliate us. A club from a p*sspot little town that's got nothing going for it.
But, hey ho, if you're happy with nice guy Danny and his tippy tappy football, then dip your bread.
Just going to ignore your ridiculous comment at the end.
Leyton Orient play football, they aren't direct. Stop judging football based on one off games, Rotherham beat us but so did a lot of teams. The teams with the best players, playing in a way system that suits them do the best, hence with Rotherham and Leyton Orient.
We don't need to bring back Saundersball to do well in League One and Two.
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The sad thing is,. We gave them two soft goals, miller missed two one on ones at the end,. On another day, we take home an undeserved 3pts..
Possibly yes you’re right.
But even more sad is our ability to make a team like Salford who had one quality player in Galbraith in their team look almost decent. Salford are an average team at best. For them to be 7th in the League shows how poor this league is and how much we have underachieved this season.
We made it so easy for them today, not just in the fact of gifting them the 1st 2 goals but in our total no show apart from Miller’s misses in that 2nd half.
It’s sad that we have a manager who is unable to motivate, sad that we have no leadership on the pitch and even sadder that the players didn’t have enough pride in their own performances to allow that shambles of a display to become almost a regular occurrence.
Camps, do you still think this group of players is good enough for a top seven finish.
I’m not trying to be funny or pick a fight but for some months now I haven’t had any enthusiasm or belief in them.
As for the style of play………..
It isn’t now. Today was the last realistic chance. On that showing we are barely good enough to be out if the bottom 2 in the league.
But as a group of players with a fit Anderson in the team then they would be a top 7 team with a manager who had some ability to set the team up to attack with numbers. Play a system to suit what we have got.
He consistently plays Miller as a lone central striker and it clearly doesn’t work. We know it everyone in the world knows it but DS doesn’t.
I can’t agree with you mate.
We don’t have any physicality in the team, not enough obvious leaders who take a game by the neck and match the opposition.
We also lack height, when the teams come onto the pitch our players always look smaller than whoever we are playing and that makes us vulnerable defending corners and free kicks and have a lack of threat in the opposition box.
I do agree though about Schofields tactics.
I have refrained from commenting about him on here but he has worn me down and I have to say I have no confidence in him or his methods.
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I don't know what stats they've been looking at but Brown is getting progressively worse for us. Awful in the last few games.
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Miller and the 1 on 1s.
The first was another classic "I can't use my left foot, so I'm going to try to do something really hard by going with my rig...oops! Another chance gone!" moment.
It was crying out for him to open his body and slip the ball into the left side of the goal.
Nope.
Let's try and round the keeper on the closed, right side.
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When will one of his interviewers say to Schofield “It’s not working, so what are you going to do about it?” Instead they invite him politely to comment on the performance and he comes out with his usual tiresome generalities. And they let him get away with it.
Why don’t they mention the fact that supporters are utterly disheartened by the woeful performances and that we are going backwards to where we were 25 years ago?
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Miller and the 1 on 1s.
The first was another classic "I can't use my left foot, so I'm going to try to do something really hard by going with my rig...oops! Another chance gone!" moment.
It was crying out for him to open his body and slip the ball into the left side of the goal.
Nope.
Let's try and round the keeper on the closed, right side.
In fairness, Miller's goal showed him at his best. He is very good at finding a yard of space in the box and had an excellent right foot. If he had a left foot he could rely on, he WOULD be a 20 goal striker.
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I don't know what stats they've been looking at but Brown is getting progressively worse for us. Awful in the last few games.
He’s only one case but you do get the sense that the longer players are with us, the worse they get. Obviously talented players like Hurst, Close and Rowe have arguably got worse as the season has progressed. Nobody seems to have been materially improved by being in and around this team.
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Attractive football is built on the basics that pib mentioned.
We are trying to build a house on sand.
We can get out of league 2 playing any type of football as long as players suit that. But first of all, they need to not be bottleless gits.
I hope Coppinger reads this forum. Is he so singleminded on the old “Arsenal of the north” mantra that he is forgetting footballing basics required from players?
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When will one of his interviewers say to Schofield “It’s not working, so what are you going to do about it?” Instead they invite him politely to comment on the performance and he comes out with his usual tiresome generalities. And they let him get away with it.
Why don’t they mention the fact that supporters are utterly disheartened by the woeful performances and that we are going backwards to where we were 25 years ago?
Totally agree, really winds me up, he's getting an easy ride everytme. Ask him questions like, do you think the team are moving forward, why is our passing so poor, why are we so slow, do you think these performances are acceptable, why don't we have many shots on target etc etc etc.
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When will one of his interviewers say to Schofield “It’s not working, so what are you going to do about it?” Instead they invite him politely to comment on the performance and he comes out with his usual tiresome generalities. And they let him get away with it.
Why don’t they mention the fact that supporters are utterly disheartened by the woeful performances and that we are going backwards to where we were 25 years ago?
Totally agree, really winds me up, he's getting an easy ride everytme. Ask him questions like, do you think the team are moving forward, why is our passing so poor, why are we so slow, do you think these performances are acceptable, why don't we have many shots on target etc etc etc.
Everybody at the club gets an easy ride, that’s why we are where we are.
Watching one of the “red and white shows” they do on YouTube shows that. Half an hour of burying heads in the sand.
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I think it's clear that Schofield has a system and he's not going to shift from this. The question is whether he can get better players to make that system work better or indeed work at all. I don't think we are going to get exciting and flowing football from him, but with better players it might be enough to get us out of here next season. We can hope at least.
we have no money to get better players thou
What's your source for that?
Come on still waiting
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I don't know what stats they've been looking at but Brown is getting progressively worse for us. Awful in the last few games.
He’s only one case but you do get the sense that the longer players are with us, the worse they get. Obviously talented players like Hurst, Close and Rowe have arguably got worse as the season has progressed. Nobody seems to have been materially improved by being in and around this team.
This in spades. And DS is supposed to be a great Coach.