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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on March 21, 2023, 01:07:32 pm
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"I asked officials if I had been to parties. They told me the line was that I hadn't been to parties. So when I told Parliament I hadn't been to parties, I did it in good faith."
Even for someone as shamelessly amoral as him, it takes some doing.
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"I asked officials if I had been to parties. They told me the line was that I hadn't been to parties. So when I told Parliament I hadn't been to parties, I did it in good faith."
Even for someone as shamelessly amoral as him, it takes some doing.
Basically he’s running the “I’m an idiot line”
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His line is quite something coming from a man who was educated at Eton and Oxford and ran the country (sic) for a couple or three years.
He's actually saying:
1) I honestly didn't deliberately lie to Parliament when I said I'd been to no parties, because I asked officials if I'd been to parties and they told me to say I hadn't.
2) When grown ups like Sue Gray and the police looked into this and concluded that of course I'd been to parties, I immediately admitted to Parliament that I'd been to parties.
He may well get off on this as a strictly legal argument. His case is "there is no evidence that I was able to make my own decisions without asking other people to tell me what I'd done."
That may well work in strict legal terms, but Christ Alive, what a way to debase yourself.
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So the man who wrote the rules, put them into law and told us nearly everynight what the rules were didn't know what the rules were?
And he only talked about parties was because that is what the media called them when it found out?
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This from Johnson is priceless.
"the Committee appears to be mounting a case that, despite the absence of any evidence of warnings or advice, it should have been “obvious” to me that the Rules and Guidance were not being followed, because of the gatherings that I attended. It is important to be frank: thisamounts to an allegation that I deliberately lied to Parliament."
The air of injured innocence! How can we POSSIBLY accuse a pathological liar of lying?
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Unbelievable arrogance and an air of superiority from this individual demonstrates everything that is wrong with a large number of members of parliament.
In most industries you have to work your way up the greasy ladder, mainly by being competent and having the skillset that is required for the role to enable you to execute the functions of the role in the required manner.
Why is politics different? the fact this waste of space managed to convince a large majority of a political party that he was the right person for the role really has you wondering if anyone in politics has the common sense they were supposedly born with.
Remember all the above equally can apply to other political parties, they all have form for doing this type of thing.
They really do take the population of this country for granted and feed them absolute barrels of sh*t for the duration of the term then try to con them to continue to vote for these fraudsters.
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"I asked officials if I had been to parties. They told me the line was that I hadn't been to parties. So when I told Parliament I hadn't been to parties, I did it in good faith."
Even for someone as shamelessly amoral as him, it takes some doing.
Basically he’s running the “I’m an idiot line”
He's spent years cultivating that defence, Filo.
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The trouble with career politicians is that a lot of them wouldn't cut it in most businesses.
I've said for many years that the salary for an MP should be significantly higher but with more sensible and defensible rules on expenses and a strict ban on secondary employment. The basic salary for an MP is around £84k. My boss is on more than that. How are we ever going to have the most skilful and intelligent people running the country when they could make a much better living as a senior manager in a medium sized private business?
Of course that leaves the door wide open for those who can afford to get into politics to look after their own e.g. Johnson, Sunak et al.
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The trouble with career politicians is that a lot of them wouldn't cut it in most businesses.
I've said for many years that the salary for an MP should be significantly higher but with more sensible and defensible rules on expenses and a strict ban on secondary employment. The basic salary for an MP is around £84k. My boss is on more than that. How are we ever going to have the most skilful and intelligent people running the country when they could make a much better living as a senior manager in a medium sized private business?
Of course that leaves the door wide open for those who can afford to get into politics to look after their own e.g. Johnson, Sunak et al.
Fully agree, we should only be looking for the best people, with demonstrable experience in business and management, how we get these skills from PPE graduates who have never had a job outside of a political sphere i'm not sure, i'd pay them a far greater rate than the current total and i would ensure that the second jobs,expenses, employing your spouse/kids racket is abolished.
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It sums him up that he had to resubmit his defence again this morning. Apparently the one submitted yesterday was riddled with typos and spelling mistakes and in places was unintelligible.
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Actually, it's only just dawning on me how utterly disgusting Johnson's "defence" is.
He's basically throwing his advisers under the bus.
There are leaked WA messages between the advisers which showed they were agonising over how to find a way to claim the parties Johnson went to were not parties.
Johnson's "defence" is that he was totally uninvolved in that discussion, and he didn't ask his advisors to cook up a line that he could use. He's saying they did it all by themselves.
Max Hastings had Johson's number years ago. He said not to be taken in by the amiable clownish exterior, because underneath, Johnson was nastier than you could imagine. This is the nasty side of Johnson in full view.
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His arse lickers in the party are really out in force now
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Nobody told me I was stealing when I picked it up and walked out the shop, or that stealing wasn’t allowed. Therefore I’ve done nothing wrong. Oh, and the fact that I made the law making stealing illegal is irrelevant.
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Unbelievable arrogance and an air of superiority from this individual demonstrates everything that is wrong with a large number of members of parliament.
In most industries you have to work your way up the greasy ladder, mainly by being competent and having the skillset that is required for the role to enable you to execute the functions of the role in the required manner.
Why is politics different? the fact this waste of space managed to convince a large majority of a political party that he was the right person for the role really has you wondering if anyone in politics has the common sense they were supposedly born with.
Remember all the above equally can apply to other political parties, they all have form for doing this type of thing.
They really do take the population of this country for granted and feed them absolute barrels of sh*t for the duration of the term then try to con them to continue to vote for these fraudsters.
He didn't convince them he was the right man for the role, he convinced them he was the right man to win an election. Nothing to do with being the right person to be PM at all.
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"Remember all the above equally can apply to other political parties, they all have form for doing this type of thing."
Go on then. Give us an example of a pathological liar who has led any other major party.
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"Remember all the above equally can apply to other political parties, they all have form for doing this type of thing."
Go on then. Give us an example of a pathological liar who has led any other major party.
Tony Blair, he's only championship level to Premier league Johnson, but is still trying to get promoted.
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And remember all this drivel is being paid for out of taxes.
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Johnson's defence .......... mythomania
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The Johnson defence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g5Hz17C4is&list=RD2g5Hz17C4is&start_radio=1&rv=2g5Hz17C4is&t=0
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"Remember all the above equally can apply to other political parties, they all have form for doing this type of thing."
Go on then. Give us an example of a pathological liar who has led any other major party.
Tony Blair, he's only championship level to Premier league Johnson, but is still trying to get promoted.
Do you want to give any examples of Blair unquestionably lying over matters of Objective Truth?
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Blair spent most of his premiership misleading to the nation, he then did the same during the Chilcot enquiry to save his own wretched skin.
You will struggle to find the word lie in the official enquiry because they did not have the minerals to say so but everyone who watched it knew the truth.
He also wilfully mislead parliament .
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A letter in yesterday's Times:
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He's done it all his life.
Remember him blustering in the last election campaign that there'd be a border in the Irish Sea over his dead body. A month after he'd signed a deal that required a border in the Irish Sea.
All politicians over promise and fail to deliver, or go back on pledges. Only Johnson lies habitually about matters of Objective Truth.
He's a cancer on our politics. Hopefully this process will excise him.
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Elections are not supposed to be Presidential but last time round and most (not all) recently have been
I still hear Corbyn was x, y and z. People are still apoplectic that Johnson (in their eyes) was a proven liar who got Elected by a landslide
That landslide was produced even though Johnson had 57% of the voting Electorate voting against him and 43% of the voting Electorate voting for him and ergo his Party
We need a new Electoral system but all yesterday showed ( but I cant prove this ) is at least 57% still would not vote for him whatever the outcome of this Inquiry whilst a huge % of the 43% from last time WOULD still vote for him
That's it really
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Wolfie, in any Parliamentary election, how often would more than 50% of the electorate vote for the winner?
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Really this should finish him off shouldn't it?
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Ian Balckford should get a pardon if johnson is found officially to be a liar.
''Accusing Boris Johnson of "wilfully misleading parliament" about the parties held at Downing Street during Covid-19 restrictions and refusing Speaker's request to withdraw his comment by responding "It's not my fault if the prime minister can't be trusted to tell the truth".[37''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_from_the_UK_parliament
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Another crackpot idea from the clueless ................
''Separating parents in England and Wales could face fines for refusing to try mediation under new proposals.
The government is set to make sessions mandatory and offer funding support in an effort to divert cases away from under-pressure family courts.
Justice Secretary Dominic Raab said "lengthy and combative courtroom battles" were harmful for children''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/23/labour-tells-19-leicester-councillors-they-cannot-stand-in-may-election
Way too late for johnson, why don't they put money back in and fix the court system?
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Elections are not supposed to be Presidential but last time round and most (not all) recently have been
I still hear Corbyn was x, y and z. People are still apoplectic that Johnson (in their eyes) was a proven liar who got Elected by a landslide
That landslide was produced even though Johnson had 57% of the voting Electorate voting against him and 43% of the voting Electorate voting for him and ergo his Party
We need a new Electoral system but all yesterday showed ( but I cant prove this ) is at least 57% still would not vote for him whatever the outcome of this Inquiry whilst a huge % of the 43% from last time WOULD still vote for him
That's it really
Hi Donnywolf
I totally agree with you re General Elections becoming more Presidential in tone in the media. Johnson v Corbyn, how one has a silly haircut and the other takes pictures of manhole covers, rather than on which party has the best policies.
The good news is that neither Starmer or Sunak are flashy politicians in anyway (that's not a criticism far from it) and seem pretty serious/proper politicians. Fingers crossed next time won't be so bad.
100% agree with you on Proportional Representation. How can it be democratic for a party with 43% of the votes having a majority in Parliament?
Disagree that Johnson would still get 43% support as Tory leader. A core would still support him. But at the time of his sacking as PM many Tory voters wanted him gone - that's why he was kicked out by Tory MPs - not directly because of his behaviour.
I note even the Daily Telegraph front page cartoon was taking the mickey out of him today. Says something that.
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I see greenhag a crony of johnson has leapt to his defence ............. remember him?
''Earls Court project: complaint against Boris Johnson policing deputy referred to IPCC''
https://www.theguardian.com/society/davehillblog/2013/jan/14/stephen-greenhalgh-complaint-refered-to-ipcc
he was cleared but not sure why the IPCC were involved, anybody?
''There are plans to transform Earl’s Court with new homes, culture and a massive park
The derelict site of the old Exhibition Centre is finally getting a serious glow-up''
''With space in London at such a premium, it’s pretty astonishing that a massive 40-acre patch of Earl’s Court real estate has been left untouched since 2017. That’s the year when the famous Earls Court Exhibition Centre was demolished, with English Heritage granting special dispensation allowing the historic buildings to be knocked down''
https://www.timeout.com/london/news/there-are-plans-to-transform-earls-court-with-new-homes-culture-and-a-massive-park-022223#:~:text=Only%2040%20percent%20of%20the,shops%2C%20caf%C3%A9s%20and%20cultural%20activities.
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Cheers BR Reply from 2 above
I don't think the Electorate would give Tories led by Johnson anywhere near 43% and put " a large % of the 43% would still vote for him " instead
I hope he has finally been exposed, but I still didn't want to speculate on figures I could never prove.
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NN last night after Johnson's committee performance.
https://twitter.com/Zero_4/status/1639000842480111617?s=20
I wonder if anyone in here thinks he was being honest over those matters of Objective Truth?
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The key moment for me was when the rather plodding SNP MP asked him about the No10 Press Office party in December 2020. The one that invites were sent out for 3 weeks earlier. The one that got so raucous, someone set off the fire alarm and No10 security turned up to give them a bollocking. The one the Met issued a dozen fines over.
Johnson insisted he'd not been present and had no inkling a party was going on
The SNP MP then said that the committee had copies of Johnson's official diary for that day. He'd been working in the No 10 office. There was a blank in the diary from 19:15 to 20:25. Then he was recorded as going to his flat at 21:57. The MP also said that the committee had been to No10 to see the layout. He said that to go from the office to his flat, Johnson had to walk down a corridor looking straight at the Press Office where the party was going on. Did Johnson still want to claim that he had no idea there was a piss up going on?
Joh son pulled that angry, guilty schoolboy look that comes over him when he's been cornered and blathered something about having no direct knowledge of a party going on under his own roof.
I defy anyone to watch that and claim he's not lying through his teeth.
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It can't have been a party because he didn't think it was a party and no body told him it was a party and if it was a party he wasn't at the party but somebody else may have been at the party if it was a party but because he didn't think it was a party it can't have been a party
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And as Harriet Harman stated " if I'm doing 100 in my Car , the Speedo clearly shows that and I don't need anyone else to tell me what speed I'm doing"
Let's face it he's a pathological proven liar and he ain't going to stop now.
He even lied while taking the Oath saying he promised to tell the truth at all times
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Cheers BR Reply from 2 above
I don't think the Electorate would give Tories led by Johnson anywhere near 43% and put " a large % of the 43% would still vote for him " instead
I hope he has finally been exposed, but I still didn't want to speculate on figures I could never prove.
Apologies Donnywolf. Misread your initial post. Not sure I agree with "large" but agree plenty would. Don't think it will ever be put to the test though - fingers crossed.
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True .... I hope it doesn't get "tested" and I feel "the Herd" has now left him , and put faith in Sunak as their best chance , so Mr Johnson is probably politically yesterday's man
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Hé’ll still end up in the House of Lords, sneaking up behind ‘old chums’ in there & shouting ‘Bully, bully, bully!’.
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It'll take a brave PM who'll want to leave their fingerprints on giving him a peerage. Or Truss.
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''Despite early reports that the former PM was seeking to get his father, Stanley, a knighthood, Byline Times can now reveal that he wants to make him the Duke of Schomberg instead. The dukedom became extinct in 1713 with the death, by consumption, of Charles Schomberg but the Johnsons are distantly related via his great-great-aunt Ima Gonad''
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/04/01/revealed-leaked-memos-lay-bare-sunaks-war-with-johnson-over-pm-gongs/
Is there a plumber in the house!
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Oh dear Syd
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turned into a great grandparent already Ldr? oh by the way did you ask your Aussie AFLers if they now regard themselves as English?
Col was correct you must think you are in the shadow moderators group.
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turned into a great grandparent already Ldr? oh by the way did you ask your Aussie AFLers if they now regard themselves as English?
Col was correct you must think you are in the shadow moderators group.
You’ve lost me here, was just groaning at the joke.
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It's hard to know Ldr you have a rigid way of dealing with comments.
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It's hard to know Ldr you have a rigid way of dealing with comments.
That’s probably fair mate, be safe to say none of the Aussies regard themselves as English btw, think they would be insulted! You keeping well?
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so do you think they might say 'we' when discussing general thinks with people back in Oz?
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No mate, they express an opinion (as is the right) but doesn’t affect them
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so you asked them then?
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Just 2 of them, I’ll catch up with the rest weds if you like
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Just 2 of them, I’ll catch up with the rest weds if you like
you can call a referendum if you want Ldr I'm just trying to understand your prescriptive outlook and commentary.