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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on March 21, 2023, 09:55:47 pm
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It’s yes from me, the sooner the better
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He won't be sacked this season
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Really wanted it to work, Donny lad taking on the team but its time for him to go. They wont sack him this season though.
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That performance tonight was like something from the season we went out the league , at least them players had an excuse , they was semi pros playing agains pros .
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Is he still here.
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Shouldn’t have got the job in the first place, can take Copps with him… MASSIVLEY out of their depth
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Him and z Copps should go and get a manager in who can manage the club and has promotion on his CV
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Filo,
I would normally say 'yes, he has to go'
But to be really honest, this group of players is absolutely, totally and utterly shit. I think even if Pep was manager he couldn't get this lot playing.
We're giving contracts to players who should be nowhere near our football club
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Seem to be watching every game thinking it can’t get any worse…..
Then it does!
Off to bed don’t want to hear his reaction and the shite questions asked by Hoden either.
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Success 51pts, good coach
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Tonight we played 3rd from bottom we had
No corners
2 shots
1 on target ,only Crawley looked like they wanted to win ,he need to go and quick or the 307 fans that went tonight might be the only ones their next season
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We can't just keep changing managers every 20 games or so.
But let's be honest it's properly shite right now isn't it? His record this season is worse than mcsheffrey's was also. Worrying.
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It's a no from me. Give him a window, the pre season and the first 10 games of next season.
Have to give him a good go at it.
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For all those who are happy we have a club. Well boys and girls we haven’t got a FOOTBALL club any more. The best thing about the football club is it’s balance sheet so you can support that.
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Yes.
Copps too.
Their combined wages may attract a decent manager who knows how to fight their way out of this league. Because that’s what is needed.
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It's a no from me. Give him a window, the pre season and the first 10 games of next season.
Have to give him a good go at it.
give him a window ,somebody needs to push him through it ,the football is garbage and worse than under mcsheffery
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It's a no from me. Give him a window, the pre season and the first 10 games of next season.
Have to give him a good go at it.
By which time we then spend another month doing a “thorough and detailed recruitment process after literally dozens of A class managers express an interest in the job” to then employ a complete no body.
National league calling.
Taxi for copps and gs.
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It's a no from me. Give him a window, the pre season and the first 10 games of next season.
Have to give him a good go at it.
What signs as he shown to deserve the summer transfer window, a pre season and first 10 games?
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Wellens must be laughing his cock off.
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It's a no from me. Give him a window, the pre season and the first 10 games of next season.
Have to give him a good go at it.
Why? ST sales will plummet if he's kept on. I've renewed, but most people I know aren't renewing if he's kept on; and how can him and Copps be trusted with a summer window after the dross they signed this year?
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I fell asleep watching it after 78 mins, woke up 1-1 and 3rd from bottom on top again.
This is piss poor you think these players are bad they are being told to play like this. It is so defensive and boring.
I cant believe he is still here.
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His interview alone should be a sackable offence. Jesus Christ what is wrong with him?
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Wellens must be laughing his cock off.
McSheffrey and Eyre will be as well…
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That was the worst of the lot.
Absolutely awful.
I've not been on the "He has to go" train but if that's the best he can produce after 5 months, he has to go.
Crawley are f**king dreadful and they've just looked good division better than us tonight. We haven't gritted out a draw. We've stolen a point because they missed half a dozen good chances.
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Wellens must be laughing his cock off.
I thought he was laughing his cock off when he was ruining us.
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A resounding Yes from me.
Even allowing for how poor the players are he's inherited the football is just awful and so utterly tedious.
Results are worse than under McSheffrey and the quality of the performances continues to deteriorate.
His persistence with the same failing tactics is just beyond me.
Time for him to go now and give a new manager time to assess the squad ahead of next season.
If Rovers don't act I genuinely fear for our football league status next season. We really are that bad I'm afraid.
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Probably too early to say, but so far I have not been impressed at all. Looks to me like weirdly doctrinaire, self-defeating tactical b*llocks at the moment. I don't see how we're ever going to control games, build attacks, and score goals with this approach.
But maybe, just maybe, he brings some better suited players in during the summer and it starts to click next season. I hope so, although the January recruitment now looks quite poor which doesn't exactly fill anyone with confidence.
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It's a no from me. Give him a window, the pre season and the first 10 games of next season.
Have to give him a good go at it.
Why? ST sales will plummet if he's kept on. I've renewed, but most people I know aren't renewing if he's kept on; and how can him and Copps be trusted with a summer window after the dross they signed this year?
If Copps and Schofield are here in the summer then have the guts to say the funds are not enough to get the quality players we need. Accepting mediocrity comes back on the manager and Copps not on the Chairman and Owner.
Wellens said how it was and got sacked move to a club with better players and resources and where is he now.
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Why are people saying give him a window, give him 10 games. We’ll be back to square one with gribble appointed manager by Christmas. He may be a good coach but he’s no manager. He’s so far out his depth it’s untrue. He can with a piss poor record and we’re paying the price for appointing him. Not much point sacking him now but he has to go at the end of the season.
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Who the hell is voting no?
It has to be rotherham fans
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It's a no from me. Give him a window, the pre season and the first 10 games of next season.
Have to give him a good go at it.
So you are saying we should give him what McSheffery got and then be in the same situation again this time next season when we have a new manager in that has not had a pre season to work with his own players.
Get rid now and let the new manager have time to decide who he wants to build a team around and let go of the players that he doesn’t like the look of.
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Wellens must be laughing his cock off.
I thought he was laughing his cock off when he was ruining us.
He didn’t ruin us he said it how it was and got sack. Carry supporting this regime Glyn and National league is where will be like 97/98
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We may as well sack him right now and let Greeny look after the team until we recruit a no nonsense, proven lge 2 manager. Don't rush it as we aren't going down this season but make sure they are in place prior to the close season so whoever it is can build a proper lge 2 squad for next season.
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6 people having an heavy Tuesday night on the ale so far.
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6 people having an heavy Tuesday night on the ale so far.
And who can blame them?
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If we give him ten games at the start of next season all we will be doing is giving the top teams 10 or 15 points start on us and then having to wait a few weeks for a new manager to be appointed.
Another season will be written off.
People have been commenting about how SoD's regime had a slow start with us but even though we were not winning games we were attractive to watch and you could see how he was trying to play good attractive football.
The stuff we are watching now is shocking.
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We can’t keep sacking managers every few months. But somehow, he has managed to make us worse the longer he has been here, and has brought in several of his own players during the January window. We had some decent performance early doors not least Grimsby but we’ve been horrific since, including during large parts of those three wins. I’m struggling to see anything positive or any improvement during his tenure. It’s got worse.
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6 people having an heavy Tuesday night on the ale so far.
Sober as a judge not drunk anything you just Cary on burying your head in the sand
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I'm still a no. But make no mistake about it, we are f**king dogshit. A squad full of absolute shite
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6 people having an heavy Tuesday night on the ale so far.
Sober as a judge not drunk anything you just Cary on burying your head in the sand
Was referring to those voting no.
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6 people having an heavy Tuesday night on the ale so far.
Sober as a judge not drunk anything you just Cary on burying your head in the sand
Was referring to those voting no.
Sorry
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For all those who are happy we have a club. Well boys and girls we haven’t got a FOOTBALL club any more. The best thing about the football club is it’s balance sheet so you can support that.
Can’t you keep your comments about the club rather than attacking your fellow Rovers fans? We all feel it you know, we all hate watching shit football, but we don’t see every post as an opportunity to have a dig.
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His Type of football will not work without better players,
These better players will cost more than we are willing to spend,
Ergo we spend another season struggling through with a setup that will confirm we loose our league places next season.
Needs to go but the next poor sap in through the door will have the same issues with a board who are treading water.
Needs a major reset.
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To be honest I'd sack him for his comment about the fans hopefully being proud of the point tonight.
What ?!
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Whilst still somewhat on the fence (although definitely leaning towards yes), I always start to get worried when the manager's post match comments are no longer matching the reality.
Unfortunately, I think DS has reached that point. He labelled this game, against third from bottom, must win. Yet following another dire performance with almost zero attacking intent, he's playing it off as a well fought draw, some good pressing, can't fault the effort, we'll take the point etc. He actually looks shocked and offended when the interviewer suggests we didn't get going in the first half. He's not seeing what everyone else is. And that's a big concern.
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Whilst still somewhat on the fence (although definitely leaning towards yes), I always start to get worried when the manager's post match comments are no longer matching the reality.
Unfortunately, I think DS has reached that point. He labelled this game, against third from bottom, must win. Yet following another dire performance with almost zero attacking intent, he's playing it off as a well fought draw, some good pressing, can't fault the effort, we'll take the point etc. He actually looks shocked and offended when the interviewer suggests we didn't get going in the first half. He's not seeing what everyone else is. And that's a big concern.
Bang on!
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There’s one thing for sure,we’ll not have a Club much longer if this is allowed to continue! By ‘this’ I mean everything about the Club, presently. Let’s face it, this is just an ongoing downward trend with no end in sight. If the main men in charge can’t/won’t change, then it’s out the EFL we go and I’m not sure we’ll come back again.
The buck stops at the top and that’s where change needs to be initiated. Something radical is needed and a complete change of philosophy.
It’s absolutely criminal what is happening.
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For all those who are happy we have a club. Well boys and girls we haven’t got a FOOTBALL club any more. The best thing about the football club is it’s balance sheet so you can support that.
Can’t you keep your comments about the club rather than attacking your fellow Rovers fans? We all feel it you know, we all hate watching shit football, but we don’t see every post as an opportunity to have a dig.
I agree SM but we have every right to be concerned and voice opinions about how bad we are and how our manager/ HOF seem unable to recognise how really, really bad we are. He should have come out tonight and said that we were awful and that is not acceptable from a Doncaster Rovers team, however no-one at the club seems bothered, and it appears that there is no drive to improve and the people in charge are happy to accept dismal, uninspiring football. Surely you are desperately concerned that the current regime seem incapable of driving our club forward.
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There was one at the match tonight who said we should give DS a chance.
If we leave him in the job he WILL
Take us into the National League
What will happen is we will be bottom 3/4 in Nov and will be sacked.
So another season will be wasted if we survive under the next manager.
Get rid now and bring in a proper manager so he can assess the squad and recruit as he needs to in the summer.
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Campsall, I agree with your last statement, but…………that’s where what we want to happen and know what should happen just simply will not, unless the finances are released to enable a credible manager to sign credible players.
There is a log jam in the works and it has to be removed or else we’re going to be Conference North in a couple of seasons!
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Even if he goes, the club will recruit the wrong replacement and continue to sign the wrong players.
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Sack him now,don't let the rot set in anymore,his style did'nt work with Huddersfield in championship with their players either,get a manager who don't except lack of effort and usually gets the best out of players,there was a time I would not want him because he left us,but would love McCann back,doubt we could persuade him to drop to league two now or we are willing to pay what it would take,but I wish we would try our best.
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Wellens must be laughing his cock off.
I thought he was laughing his cock off when he was ruining us.
Well said, Wellens was at fault for the raft of cheap players in after he had spent his budget on about 4 players
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Wellens must be laughing his cock off.
I thought he was laughing his cock off when he was ruining us.
Well said, Wellens was at fault for the raft of cheap players in after he had spent his budget on about 4 players
Wellens has absolutely nothing to do with that performance tonight. And don't say we'll there were some of his players out there, that's irrelevant. That team tonight has no-one within our current management team holding them to account for the dire performances they are providing week in week out. It appears to me that no-one is holding anyone accountable for the lazy, unprofessional, dismal, uninspiring tripe served up every game after game!
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I see we have 19 votes for No 19 people who are either pretending that DS is worth more time, or 19 people who haven’t got a clue about football, he’s utter garbage throw him on the compost heap
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Filo,
I would normally say 'yes, he has to go'
But to be really honest, this group of players is absolutely, totally and utterly shit. I think even if Pep was manager he couldn't get this lot playing.
We're giving contracts to players who should be nowhere near our football club
Well if the utter team are shite he’s particularly to blame, he’s got utterly shite players in then, got to go and now
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There was one at the match tonight who said we should give DS a chance.
If we leave him in the job he WILL
Take us into the National League
What will happen is we will be bottom 3/4 in Nov and will be sacked.
So another season will be wasted if we survive under the next manager.
Get rid now and bring in a proper manager so he can assess the squad and recruit as he needs to in the summer.
There’s always one :)
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I see he’s trotting out the injury card now for our lack of attacking threat in the free press interview. Remarkable lack of self awareness or he really does think we’re stupid.
He makes me so angry. He’s a fraud. I’ve boycotted the games for a while now whilst he’s at the helm but it really is breaking my heart.
How else do we show our displeasure at the unacceptable and disgusting so called football being delivered
This club is on the brink of terminal decline unless something happens very quickly.
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I'm very patient with managers but I've had enough.
Any experienced manager could pick whichever 11 players are available from our squad and make them into a workmanlike team with a shape and a plan that they understand. We've never seen this under DS. He should have achieved that by now but it's only got worse. What is DS doing that is better than me being coach? Or the kit man or one of the ticket office women doing it? I can't see what he's adding apart from over-complicating everything and confusing the team.
The manager has also got to talk to the supporters with respect. DS treats us like we know nothing. We know what good managers look like - we've had a few. We also know when it's not working and the time has come to cut your losses.
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How come we can get rid of good managers pretty quick, but the crap ones seem to linger around like a bad smell?
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It's a no from me. Give him a window, the pre season and the first 10 games of next season.
Have to give him a good go at it.
So you are saying we should give him what McSheffery got and then be in the same situation again this time next season when we have a new manager in that has not had a pre season to work with his own players.
Get rid now and let the new manager have time to decide who he wants to build a team around and let go of the players that he doesn’t like the look of.
Totally agree.
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I know the poll is only a small sample size, but currently the figures are pretty overwhelming in favour of getting rid of Schofield
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I think the dwindling attendances and views from fans (chants at games and online) is about as clear a message as you can get.
We just need to learn from this!
Butler - no first team manager experience (although right appointment after Moore had done the Judas on us) which didn't work
McSheffrey - no first team manager experience - didn't work
Schofield - a few games caretaker experience - really really isn't working
We're crying out for a bit of nous and experience. We're a big club at Lg2, we've got the core of a good team and managers do get to spend money in the windows, the right manager could make the world of a difference - a bit of a stretch financially in that department is the best investment we can make now to right the ship and build some momentum for our club again.
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Campsall, I agree with your last statement, but…………that’s where what we want to happen and know what should happen just simply will not, unless the finances are released to enable a credible manager to sign credible players.
There is a log jam in the works and it has to be removed or else we’re going to be Conference North in a couple of seasons!
It has to happen Alan. I have never been so utterly despondent since 97/98 and we know how bad we were that season.
It is quite obvious now the players have lost all belief on what Schofield is trying to do and is telling them.
It looked that way after his half time team talk at Salford after the team produce a total NO SHOW 2nd half.
After last night all that was confirmed after one of the most inept performances I have witnessed since 97/98.
Those players had an excuse. Virtually all of them were North East Counties standard. The odd one National League North and Warren was the only one who could call himself a Football League standard player..
Every single one of our starting team last night, bar Ravenhill has enough ability to be at least a League 2 footballer.
For DS to actually be capable of turning this team into one that creates almost Zero ( bar 20 seconds the goal ) against a very poor team 3rd from bottom of the EFL takes some doing.
How many times does a manager continue with a system of playing that creates so little before he realises it isn’t working? How many times?
For the manager to come out with a statement “I hope the 307 Rovers fans who travelled to the match tonight were proud of the performance to earn a hard one point” That for me is a total disgrace. They man is deluded if he thinks that level of performance is acceptable. Is that the standard he expects? That’s the bar he has set for an away match at the team 22nd in League 2.
To allow him to use the budget this summer would be a disaster. He is an idiot. Living in cloud cookoo land without one ounce of any ability to set a team up or motivate a team.
HE HAS TO GO NOW. No ifs or buts for the sake of this Football Club this has to happen NOW.
If he is manager beyond end of October we are in serious danger of being a National league club in 24/25
So why risk that possibility.
Get rid now and recruit a new manager ASAP so he can assess the squad and get some proper recruitment done early to build a promotion team for next season.
As Supporters we do need to make our feelings heard by sensible representation through the Supporters trust. No good waiting till it is too late. ACTION NOW to save the FOOTBALL CLUB we ALL love.
I want to know exactly where are budget is this season in league 2 by comparison to the other 23 clubs.
I want to know where it will be for 23/24 season. I think we need some transparency on this. Not need I think we as supporters are entitled to transparency.
MR BLUNT are you listening. You are presiding over this shambles. YOU are the CHAIRMAN.
Now is the time to show your true colours and Show us that DRFC are genuinely ambitious and it isn’t all just talk without any substance.
THE 1st thing you must do is dismiss DS. COPPS you must have the b..ls to admit you made an error.
Hold your hands up. You will have 100% respect from us all if you do that.
You will be vilified if you preside over this Sh..t show any longer.
Over to you DB & JC. PLEASE PLEASE do the right thing. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
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I agree with most of that Campsall my only doubt is the appropriate funds will not be available for a good manager to put a promotion squad together.
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I've never been a "sack the Manager" type but after last night I think it is inevitable
It's still not totally black and white , some of the Players are poor , an odd one doesn't seem to care BUT ...
Conti ranted on after the last Spurs game and I thought that's him ensuring he gets the chop and last night DS said of the other 306 people that were are Crawley with me " that we should be proud of the Point we earned"
NO NO NO 426 return miles in 8 a**e numbing hours NO.
I for one am NOT proud of that
I've done a bigger rant on 307 but this is the short version
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I agree with most of that Campsall my only doubt is the appropriate funds will not be available for a good manager to put a promotion squad together.
Well if the funds are not going to be available for that then we are in trouble.
That means we have a not even got a top 7 budget in this league. If that’s the case then what is going on?
How can any club bar Bradford, Stockport and Swindon have a bigger budget than us.
Look at the facts. Gates, total income. We have Club Doncaster income also.
Salford we know the class of 92 have put in substantial funds.
So are the board, now not going to invest any extra funds at all into the playing budget? Is that what they have said.
Are we going to just stagnate. Well with this manager we are going down into the National League so if they want promotion under this manager dream on . They are bigger fantasists than DS is himself.
Copps just hold your hand up and admit you made a mistake.
You will get respect for that. None of us want you to go from Legend to villain.
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I think the dwindling attendances and views from fans (chants at games and online) is about as clear a message as you can get.
We just need to learn from this!
Butler - no first team manager experience (although right appointment after Moore had done the Judas on us) which didn't work
McSheffrey - no first team manager experience - didn't work
Schofield - a few games caretaker experience - really really isn't working
We're crying out for a bit of nous and experience. We're a big club at Lg2, we've got the core of a good team and managers do get to spend money in the windows, the right manager could make the world of a difference - a bit of a stretch financially in that department is the best investment we can make now to right the ship and build some momentum for our club again.
We really haven't got the core of a good team.
There's an almost total lack of pace, physicality and aggression for a start. You need to be very, very skilful to prosper as a football team without those prerequisites.
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If he gets sacked , then what ?
We all know we need a shithouse manager like a steve Evans type.
But the board only want inexperienced yes men.
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Our "press" is the most pitiful thing I've seen in football for years.
Players jog towards opponents,stand three yards off themand effectively say, "take your time and decide what you want to do with the ball."
Salford are a hugely limited side, but they slammed into our players at every opportunity on Saturday. The result was our "core of a good side" players shite it and we're getting rid of the ball like it was hot potato.
Unless we get in half a dozen players with some f**king mesterliness about them, we are staying at this level. At best.
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Can't help but feel that Micky Mellon - who is available now - would be a better bet in this division.
Knows L2 inside out, has a recent promotion on his CV, knows what it takes to succeed at the lower end of the professional pyramid.
Just saying like.
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Unfortunately if he was to be sacked you could bring in pep and he wouldn’t be able to do anything.
In a way we are in the same situation Newcastle used to be in when Ashley was in charge only we are on a smaller scale.
While this board remains in charge nothing will change except rovers going further down the league.
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There was one at the match tonight who said we should give DS a chance.
If we leave him in the job he WILL
Take us into the National League
What will happen is we will be bottom 3/4 in Nov and will be sacked.
So another season will be wasted if we survive under the next manager.
Get rid now and bring in a proper manager so he can assess the squad and recruit as he needs to in the summer.
Totally agree with you, we cut our losses this season, bring in a new manager with enough time to see what players he would like to keep and then onwards and upwards for next season. If we stay with DS then next season will be a repeat of this, probably worse
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Incredible that nearly 22% don’t want him sacked. Yet.
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I voted no for a couple of reasons.
1. The team is mediocre, and I don't believe playing 4-4-2, 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 will make a massive difference. We have SOME good players, with far too many average/poor players. We have a mid table team, and people are complaining now that's coming into fruition. I like some of the signings we made in January, and I think they're a reflection of where DS wants to take us - Ben Nelson being a prime example of this. He deserves another window to get more of his players in. I never knew what McSheff was trying to do. His formations, tactics and signings were all over the place. With DS there is some semblance of a plan.
2. The recent contract renewals from some of our better players show there is some level of faith and belief within the squad in what DS is doing. Olowu wouldn't have had a problem getting a decent club in the summer, yet he signed on for more. There will be interest in Hurst due to his age and performances this season, and he was willing to sign on for a longer contract. Anderson hasn't been at his best this season, but he wouldn't have had trouble with interest from other L2 clubs if he wanted a fresh start in the summer.
That being said, the performances have been a bit random and haven't followed the trajectory I would have hoped. The tactics have remained broadly similar so you would have hoped the players would have begun to settle into their roles with a gradual improvement in performance levels. This has not happened. Also, the interviews by DS are very tone deaf and do not help him. I get that he's trying to remain positive and protect the players, but he just comes over patronising and looking like a bit of an idiot.
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I voted no but for one reason only: It must have cost us a fortune to get shot of Wellens and McSheffrey so I don't think we can afford to terminate Schofield's contract now. The season is dead and buried so we may as well let his contract run down for a few more weeks before firing the useless twunt.
Unless of course Mr. Bramall decides to dip into his pocket for the first time in seven years and pay him off personally.
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Can't help but feel that Micky Mellon - who is available now - would be a better bet in this division.
Knows L2 inside out, has a recent promotion on his CV, knows what it takes to succeed at the lower end of the professional pyramid.
Just saying like.
I would even take his brother, their water at the minute, at least it can't spout sh--e.
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I voted no but for one reason only: It must have cost us a fortune to get shot of Wellens and McSheffrey so I don't think we can afford to terminate Schofield's contract now. The season is dead and buried so we may as well let his contract run down for a few more weeks before firing the useless twunt.
Unless of course Mr. Bramall decides to dip into his pocket for the first time in seven years and pay him off personally.
He's on a rolling contract, so as far as I understand, it renews every day and wouldn't make any difference to what we'd have to pay out if we let it run on for a few weeks.
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I voted no but for one reason only: It must have cost us a fortune to get shot of Wellens and McSheffrey so I don't think we can afford to terminate Schofield's contract now. The season is dead and buried so we may as well let his contract run down for a few more weeks before firing the useless twunt.
Unless of course Mr. Bramall decides to dip into his pocket for the first time in seven years and pay him off personally.
His contract doesn’t run down, it’s a rolling contract, always has a year left to run, unless things have changed this time around
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On the paying managers gardening leave. For the last few seasons we’ve always essentially been paying the wages of 2 managers.
Can we look at this and say ok we take a short term hit but long term let’s just double our manager salary and get a good one with experience. If we keep getting shite we pay twice anyway and the club suffers in lots of other ways.
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Oh aye, I forgot we usually commit to that. Great if we have a good manager for whom we'd get a year's compo but it leaves us in the shit when we're lumbered with a bad 'un.
My preference would therefore be to get rid now so the new man has time to assess the weaknesses of the current squad and put together his shopping list to get business done early in the next window. Of course that would mean prising some cash out of the owners. I've said several times that Blunt said at the MTO "I don't think we've said no to any requests." the new manager needs to have the balls to make ambitious enough requests to get us a promotion-winning team. And if those requests are turned down he needs to go public with that.
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Absolutely, Mike. Spot on.
As I’ve said in a previous thread, we need a credible manager who is able to bring in credible players.
The frightening thought is we do nothing and carry on regardless! If that’s what happens, I fear for our very existence. People have had enough.
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Can't help but feel that Micky Mellon - who is available now - would be a better bet in this division.
Knows L2 inside out, has a recent promotion on his CV, knows what it takes to succeed at the lower end of the professional pyramid.
Just saying like.
No thanks.
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Strange to relate but I am supportive of the management, manager and team. That was a very poor performance and no one should be proud of it.
BST makes a very good point our kids get knocked about and just cant take the physical side of the game.
I said at the begining of the season "in the second div you need a big strong team to kick anything above the grass" What did we get a team that tries to play football.
We are not in danger of relegation but our back is against the wall.
If there is a change of manager I think it should be at the end of the season.
This reminds me of O'Driscoll's first season when I was at the away game at Luton and all the way through the game our supporters were shouting for his head. Then we had the O'Driscoll Wonderland period.
Thats why I am taking the view I have.
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It’s all well and good giving him another window, but what if it’s down to the very basic fact that he does not inspire. That the players perhaps don’t care for him don’t listen to him don’t respect him ? Then what ?
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This reminds me of O'Driscoll's first season when I was at the away game at Luton and all the way through the game our supporters were shouting for his head. Then we had the O'Driscoll Wonderland period.
The trouble with comparing the two is that with O'Driscoll's tactics you could at least see what he was trying to achieve. It wasn't working but the intent, desire and commitment were there.
The current system isn't working and it looks like the players have zero faith in it and won't put their bodies on the line to support something that they don't believe in.
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It’s all well and good giving him another window, but what if it’s down to the very basic fact that he does not inspire. That the players perhaps don’t care for him don’t listen to him don’t respect him ? Then what ?
Well he’s lost the fans, it won’t be long before the players get sick of being booed off the pitch, where are our leaders, that will stand up in the dressing room and say this isn’t working? They all seem intent on saying the right things for fear of being dropped by an incompetent manager
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Strange to relate but I am supportive of the management, manager and team. That was a very poor performance and no one should be proud of it.
BST makes a very good point our kids get knocked about and just cant take the physical side of the game.
I said at the begining of the season "in the second div you need a big strong team to kick anything above the grass" What did we get a team that tries to play football.
We are not in danger of relegation but our back is against the wall.
If there is a change of manager I think it should be at the end of the season.
This reminds me of O'Driscoll's first season when I was at the away game at Luton and all the way through the game our supporters were shouting for his head. Then we had the O'Driscoll Wonderland period.
Thats why I am taking the view I have.
You were not there last night I take it Alick?
He should be sacked for treating the supporters with contempt. Let alone anything else.
An apology is what he should have come out with. The man is a fantasist. Deluded beyond words.
HE has to go for the sake of our Football Club and the supporters sanity. !!!
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As bad, when it does work it will still be hugely defensive and cautious, with zero attacking intent. Possession-based, no forward ball, sideways for 90 minutes. To hijack an Orwell quote from 1984:
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot kicking a ball sideways or out of touch forever”
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And the other worry is his apparent utter disregard for reality. No one was proud of the point earned last night. Except perhaps him. The performance meant everything . And it was awful . There is no apparent improvement . Half of that team are here next season . It’s not just another half team of quality that’s needed. It’s his whole attitude and approach that has to change .
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Our "press" is the most pitiful thing I've seen in football for years.
Players jog towards opponents,stand three yards off themand effectively say, "take your time and decide what you want to do with the ball."
Salford are a hugely limited side, but they slammed into our players at every opportunity on Saturday. The result was our "core of a good side" players shite it and we're getting rid of the ball like it was hot potato.
Unless we get in half a dozen players with some f**king mesterliness about them, we are staying at this level. At best.
Totally agree, it's so infuriating.
A perfect example is close completely neshing an easy tackle to prevent their goal.
He should be fined for dereliction of duties
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...and when the ball goes out of touch for a throw in our favour we have absolutely no idea what to do with it.
To draw on another O'Drsicoll comparison, he was questioned once on the team's approach to goal kicks but the same point stands for throw-ins. To paraphrase "There are lots of situations in football matches that you don't always expect and can't accurately plan for. But there are certain things that you know will happen in every single game so it makes sense to practice and plan for what to do in those situations."
We know that in every match we play there will be numerous throw-ins up and down the length of the touchline but whenever one comes up the players look like the ref has made up the concept there and then. Nobody knows where they should be running or what to do with the ball if they receive it. For someone who wants to be "the best coach in the world" one could be forgiven for thinking he might have a plan for the inevitable.
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Yes, as soon as possible
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I think the dwindling attendances and views from fans (chants at games and online) is about as clear a message as you can get.
We just need to learn from this!
Butler - no first team manager experience (although right appointment after Moore had done the Judas on us) which didn't work
McSheffrey - no first team manager experience - didn't work
Schofield - a few games caretaker experience - really really isn't working
We're crying out for a bit of nous and experience. We're a big club at Lg2, we've got the core of a good team and managers do get to spend money in the windows, the right manager could make the world of a difference - a bit of a stretch financially in that department is the best investment we can make now to right the ship and build some momentum for our club again.
Exactly this.
Whilst i agree to an extent with those who say "we cant keep sacking managers" my argument is we are not are employing managers in the first place. Only Wellens out of the last 4 can be classed as a manager, and IMHO he deserved to be sacked with the dross he signed. He has proved himself as somewhat of an enigma though as in fairness hes done a good job everywhere else.
Orient look like they are going up along with Carlisle managed by Paul Simpson. Someone we could have had, yet opted for Vicky Pollard yeah but no but Schofield, whos interviews and tactics are an insult to the fans and this club i love.
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If you listen to what he says it is totally devoid of any insight. He cannot account for his team’s performances even in the broadest of terms, let alone the detail. He talks entirely in generalities.
He sees only a big picture and then totally misreads it. There is never anything specific in his observations. He relates to patterns of play and formations and believes implicitly that if they are executed properly and there is a good mindset, good results will just emerge. It is akin to a religious faith.
It reflects what seems a very insular personality.
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Strange to relate but I am supportive of the management, manager and team. That was a very poor performance and no one should be proud of it.
BST makes a very good point our kids get knocked about and just cant take the physical side of the game.
I said at the begining of the season "in the second div you need a big strong team to kick anything above the grass" What did we get a team that tries to play football.
We are not in danger of relegation but our back is against the wall.
If there is a change of manager I think it should be at the end of the season.
This reminds me of O'Driscoll's first season when I was at the away game at Luton and all the way through the game our supporters were shouting for his head. Then we had the O'Driscoll Wonderland period.
Thats why I am taking the view I have.
You were not there last night I take it Alick?
He should be sacked for treating the supporters with contempt. Let alone anything else.
An apology is what he should have come out with. The man is a fantasist. Deluded beyond words.
HE has to go for the sake of our Football Club and the supporters sanity. !!!
Camps, I was going to the game but had to call it off at the last moment. Please dont view me as a supporter who is happy with the performances, I am not but my support will always be very strong. If we were bottom of the league several points adrift thats the time for the most drastic action and I don't don't think we are there right now.
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Strange to relate but I am supportive of the management, manager and team. That was a very poor performance and no one should be proud of it.
BST makes a very good point our kids get knocked about and just cant take the physical side of the game.
I said at the begining of the season "in the second div you need a big strong team to kick anything above the grass" What did we get a team that tries to play football.
We are not in danger of relegation but our back is against the wall.
If there is a change of manager I think it should be at the end of the season.
This reminds me of O'Driscoll's first season when I was at the away game at Luton and all the way through the game our supporters were shouting for his head. Then we had the O'Driscoll Wonderland period.
Thats why I am taking the view I have.
You were not there last night I take it Alick?
He should be sacked for treating the supporters with contempt. Let alone anything else.
An apology is what he should have come out with. The man is a fantasist. Deluded beyond words.
HE has to go for the sake of our Football Club and the supporters sanity. !!!
Camps, I was going to the game but had to call it off at the last moment. Please dont view me as a supporter who is happy with the performances, I am not but my support will always be very strong. If we were bottom of the league several points adrift thats the time for the most drastic action and I don't don't think we are there right now.
But then it’s too late.
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It’s yes from me, the sooner the better
Then what? In another sack the next manager. Then 12months sack another manager.
We need to be looking deeper than the manager.
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It’s yes from me, the sooner the better
Then what? In another sack the next manager. Then 12months sack another manager.
We need to be looking deeper than the manager.
Totally agree the problem at the club is deeper than the manager and HOf. It won’t change by just sacking the manager if we repeat the same mistake again when recruiting.
Bite the bullet and get Grant MCCann back makesure he’s got the funds he needs to get us out of this league and then be really competitive in League one.
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I think the dwindling attendances and views from fans (chants at games and online) is about as clear a message as you can get.
We just need to learn from this!
Butler - no first team manager experience (although right appointment after Moore had done the Judas on us) which didn't work
McSheffrey - no first team manager experience - didn't work
Schofield - a few games caretaker experience - really really isn't working
We're crying out for a bit of nous and experience. We're a big club at Lg2, we've got the core of a good team and managers do get to spend money in the windows, the right manager could make the world of a difference - a bit of a stretch financially in that department is the best investment we can make now to right the ship and build some momentum for our club again.
Exactly this.
Whilst i agree to an extent with those who say "we cant keep sacking managers" my argument is we are not are employing managers in the first place. Only Wellens out of the last 4 can be classed as a manager, and IMHO he deserved to be sacked with the dross he signed. He has proved himself as somewhat of an enigma though as in fairness hes done a good job everywhere else.
Orient look like they are going up along with Carlisle managed by Paul Simpson. Someone we could have had, yet opted for Vicky Pollard yeah but no but Schofield, whos interviews and tactics are an insult to the fans and this club i love.
I think the most profound thing is that even people like me and others on here who don't generally look to sack managers early (I think we are referred to as "happy clappers") have concluded that DS is completely out of his depth and seems incapable of identifying the obvious flaws in his players and system and knowing how to change them for the better, he is showing no semblance of reality regarding what we can all see and appears to be okay with the disgraceful performances coming from his team, there is no anger or frustration apparent in his interviews that gives confidence that he will not accept what is fast becoming the norm. Its obvious that he just doesn't have the characteristics needed in a manager capable of turning our fortunes round.
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As has been alluded to. GM and DS are not managers . They were attempts at such . One failed. The other is failing .
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It’s all well and good giving him another window, but what if it’s down to the very basic fact that he does not inspire. That the players perhaps don’t care for him don’t listen to him don’t respect him ? Then what ?
It certainly looks & feels like there is a culture of unaccountability in the club where poor performances from any party are not robustly challenged and just accepted. That performance last night personified that type of culture!
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If we give him ten games at the start of next season all we will be doing is giving the top teams 10 or 15 points start on us and then having to wait a few weeks for a new manager to be appointed.
Another season will be written off.
People have been commenting about how SoD's regime had a slow start with us but even though we were not winning games we were attractive to watch and you could see how he was trying to play good attractive football.
The stuff we are watching now is shocking.
Exactly and this is why the club need to pull the trigger now! They would be stupid, based on the evidence shown since his appointment, if they believe that DS will work out in the long run.
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But, it didn't change after Wellens left, it hasn't changed after Mcsheffrey left. What evidence is there that changing again will make any difference at all?
Aren't there a number of other things that are broken which have a bigger impact than Schofield?
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Absolutely there are. We need a combination of the right manager (not head coach) and the right backing from the board. As it's self-evident that the board haven't spent a penny for the best part of a decade I'm not optimistic on that front.
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Does this bunch of players get on with each other ? Are they mates? Is there any team spirit or camerarderie amongst them? Or are they all islands within a team . Do they have nothing to do with each other outside of training and playing . ?
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Strange to relate but I am supportive of the management, manager and team. That was a very poor performance and no one should be proud of it.
BST makes a very good point our kids get knocked about and just cant take the physical side of the game.
I said at the begining of the season "in the second div you need a big strong team to kick anything above the grass" What did we get a team that tries to play football.
We are not in danger of relegation but our back is against the wall.
If there is a change of manager I think it should be at the end of the season.
This reminds me of O'Driscoll's first season when I was at the away game at Luton and all the way through the game our supporters were shouting for his head. Then we had the O'Driscoll Wonderland period.
Thats why I am taking the view I have.
Alick, when SoDs reign was in its infancy we could see what he was trying to do and we were playing good football, creating chances and were good to watch. None of those apply to the stuff we are having to watch just now.
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It’s yes from me, the sooner the better
Then what? In another sack the next manager. Then 12months sack another manager.
We need to be looking deeper than the manager.
Totally agree the problem at the club is deeper than the manager and HOf. It won’t change by just sacking the manager if we repeat the same mistake again when recruiting.
Bite the bullet and get Grant MCCann back makesure he’s got the funds he needs to get us out of this league and then be really competitive in League one.
You have just said the funds will not be made available Steve@dcfd.
Make your mind up.
Yes that’s what I would like to see and I really really hope funds are available for us to be able to compete with the teams with decent budgets next season.
I don’t expect our budget to be as big as Bradford or Wrexham next season ( assuming they are both in League 2 ) Of course one or both may not be.
I do expect us to be almost, if not comparable to Stockport, Swindon, Salford, and Notts County assuming again those clubs are in League 2 next season.
There is no way clubs the size of Carlisle, Northampton, Mansfield, Tranmere, Walsall, & ( Chesterfield should they get promoted ) steel a march on us reference budgets.
Having said that the size of the budget as long as it is competitive is not the be all and end all.
We only need to look at Stevenage, Sutton & Barrow to see that. They have good managers who get the best out of what they have got, hence why they are where they are in the League table.
Look at the division above.
Accrington, Morecambe, Forest Green, Burton, Fleetwood, Cheltenham, Cambridge, Shrewsbury & Wycombe are all smaller clubs than we are. Most of those considerably smaller.
They have small budgets but have been well Managed and coached. They get the best out of the players they have.
Their recruitment has also in most cases been very good.
Get the right manager and get the recruitment right and would be a top 12 league 1 club.
To go further than that and sustain it will require a substantial increase in budget almost certainly.
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I don't know how anyone can defend him, it's the worse football and head coach/manager what ever you want to call him we have had in 20years. It was even better under McSheffrey which I don't know how that is even possible but Schofield has managed it.
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Well three quarters of respondents seem to have their mind made up. And for a forum which has a good mix of happy clappers and more less tolerant types it’s a pretty damning indictment of his reputation so far.
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Absolutely there are. We need a combination of the right manager (not head coach) and the right backing from the board. As it's self-evident that the board haven't spent a penny for the best part of a decade I'm not optimistic on that front.
That’s rubbish. Yes they have.
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I have heard a few players coming out and backing schofield lately. Makes me wonder if he is under pressure. Players don't normally do that.
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I have heard a few players coming out and backing schofield lately. Makes me wonder if he is under pressure. Players don't normally do that.
They say it so as not to rock the boat, he wouldn’t pick them otherwise
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It’s yes from me, the sooner the better
Then what? In another sack the next manager. Then 12months sack another manager.
We need to be looking deeper than the manager.
Totally agree the problem at the club is deeper than the manager and HOf. It won’t change by just sacking the manager if we repeat the same mistake again when recruiting.
Bite the bullet and get Grant MCCann back makesure he’s got the funds he needs to get us out of this league and then be really competitive in League one.
I can't see Grant McCann dropping down to our level, would easily get a job at League 1 level or even bottom end of Championship.
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Absolutely there are. We need a combination of the right manager (not head coach) and the right backing from the board. As it's self-evident that the board haven't spent a penny for the best part of a decade I'm not optimistic on that front.
That’s rubbish. Yes they have.
I say it's self evident because at the MTO, Terry Bramall said he had spent £12.5m as had Dick Watson so a total of £25m between them.
Dick died seven years ago and it was publicised at the time that they were equal partners in terms of investment. QED Terry hasn't spent a penny on the Rovers in seven years which is the best part of a decade.
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Absolutely there are. We need a combination of the right manager (not head coach) and the right backing from the board. As it's self-evident that the board haven't spent a penny for the best part of a decade I'm not optimistic on that front.
Now you're just making things up Mike. A decade? Not in the slightest.
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Absolutely there are. We need a combination of the right manager (not head coach) and the right backing from the board. As it's self-evident that the board haven't spent a penny for the best part of a decade I'm not optimistic on that front.
That’s rubbish. Yes they have.
I say it's self evident because at the MTO, Terry Bramall said he had spent £12.5m as had Dick Watson so a total of £25m between them.
Dick died seven years ago and it was publicised at the time that they were equal partners in terms of investment. QED Terry hasn't spent a penny on the Rovers in seven years which is the best part of a decade.
You're forgetting the Watson family.
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He definitely said at the MTO event that he and Dick had each put in £12.5m. We know that they were equal contributors.
If Andrew & Claire subsequently invested that money can't have been matched by Terry (otherwise he would've spent more than the £12.5m to match Dick) so no wonder they got fed up.
In which case, the current owners have not invested/spent a penny for seven years. Ok I'm being a bit liberal with the best part of a decade as technically 70% is a significant majority but I'm not making things up here.
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It’s yes from me, the sooner the better
Then what? In another sack the next manager. Then 12months sack another manager.
We need to be looking deeper than the manager.
Totally agree the problem at the club is deeper than the manager and HOf. It won’t change by just sacking the manager if we repeat the same mistake again when recruiting.
Bite the bullet and get Grant MCCann back makesure he’s got the funds he needs to get us out of this league and then be really competitive in League one.
I can't see Grant McCann dropping down to our level, would easily get a job at League 1 level or even bottom end of Championship.
Can't ser GM coming whilst Copps is HoF, I recollect very little of good luck to him from Copps in his tweets and very little comment from other players still here when he left. Wonder if there was a bit of bad blood when he left
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He definitely said at the MTO event that he and Dick had each put in £12.5m. We know that they were equal contributors.
If Andrew & Claire subsequently invested that money can't have been matched by Terry (otherwise he would've spent more than the £12.5m to match Dick) so no wonder they got fed up.
In which case, the current owners have not invested/spent a penny for seven years. Ok I'm being a bit liberal with the best part of a decade as technically 70% is a significant majority but I'm not making things up here.
What he said, and what actually happened are different. I should know, I've seen the accounts for all of the last 10 years and discuss things like this with the CEO.
Firstly, he was being literal about them both putting in exactly the same, it was close but not exact as I believe TB put in slightly more.
And secondly, when he talked about DW he actually meant the family, as I know that Andy carried on his fathers legacy after he'd gone. Either way, you're just using a casual comment made at the MTO to confirm whatever it is you want to pursue.
And thirdly, if they hadn't put any money in for the last 7 years where did the funds come from to keep us in LG1 from 2017 to 2022? In those earlier years we didn't have Club Doncaster generating what it does today so what kept us afloat?
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I'm only going off what the man himself said at the event.
If "What he said and what actually happened are different" what's the point in having these events?
Let's say he got a bit mixed up when he said Dick and he actually meant the Watson family. He said they'd put in a total of £25m between them which was near as damn it 50/50. If that's the case and he genuinely made a mistake I take the point regarding the best part of a decade being a stretch.
Andrew Watson and Sarah Flower left the club in June 2020 so it would appear that TB hasn't supported the club financially for the best part of three years which coincides with our dramatic downward spiral.
If he has lost interest (and that's entirely up to him, he's not a young man and no doubt has plenty of other priorities) it's not unreasonable for those of us who do care about this club, spend a significant amount of our disposable income on it and have ambitions to see some sort of success returning to ask him to be more pro-active in trying to sell.
EDIT: In reference to your third point, I would suggest that several million pounds of net transfer fee income from Ben Whiteman, John Marquis, Ben Blythe and the youngsters sold to Man Utd & Leeds kept us afloat. but without that money being reinvested into the next group of saleable players that wasn't going to last forever so when it ran out we were doomed to decline.
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To put it bluntly..
The current regime and model isn’t working. If they aren’t interested in changing it. Then put the club up for sale publicly. And let’s get back to being a football club with ambition!
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I am one who thinks Terry and Dick were more than generous and we need to start getting serious about spending the money we have properly rather than asking for more.
However, all these types of arguments come from the decision of the owners several years ago to stop disclosing information about the financial health and well-being of our club in the format that nigh on all other league clubs do. Until that happens, people quite rightly will grasp any public statements from club owners. We’re not been given the full picture about what is happening at our club. And that’s not to say we are being short changed or need more ‘investment’ (unfunded spending) but that we deserve the basic level of financial transparency that pretty much every club provides.
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I'm not trying to come over as bitter or ungrateful in the slightest here. John Ryan ran out of cash chasing a dream and needed to bring in other investors to help us sustain that dream in the Championship. If only JR had been able to put in a little bit more we could've signed the likes of Jason Shackell and one or two others needed to get us into the playoffs then who knows we may just have had a season in the top flight. But that's all a fantasy and feels like a million miles from where we are now.
Dick and his family were Rovers fans and no doubt their enthusiasm and gentle persuasion rubbed off on their good friend, Terry to dip into his pocket but once Dick was gone that influence probably waned. The Andy pulled out and Terry decided not to pour any more of his own money into the club. Which is absolutely fair enough and completely his decision. But as above if he has lost interest it's hardly fair to let the club continue its moribund existence. I'm realistic enough to know that there aren't hoardes of wealthy football nuts banging down the door to take over but I genuinely believe that as an investment prospect for that sort of person there isn't a better club in the bottom two divisions.
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He definitely said at the MTO event that he and Dick had each put in £12.5m. We know that they were equal contributors.
If Andrew & Claire subsequently invested that money can't have been matched by Terry (otherwise he would've spent more than the £12.5m to match Dick) so no wonder they got fed up.
In which case, the current owners have not invested/spent a penny for seven years. Ok I'm being a bit liberal with the best part of a decade as technically 70% is a significant majority but I'm not making things up here.
What he said, and what actually happened are different. I should know, I've seen the accounts for all of the last 10 years and discuss things like this with the CEO.
Firstly, he was being literal about them both putting in exactly the same, it was close but not exact as I believe TB put in slightly more.
And secondly, when he talked about DW he actually meant the family, as I know that Andy carried on his fathers legacy after he'd gone. Either way, you're just using a casual comment made at the MTO to confirm whatever it is you want to pursue.
And thirdly, if they hadn't put any money in for the last 7 years where did the funds come from to keep us in LG1 from 2017 to 2022? In those earlier years we didn't have Club Doncaster generating what it does today so what kept us afloat?
To be fair, if the owner is saying one thing when the truth is completely different then that's an issue in itself.
I don't have an issue with the current ownership per say, the footballing side of the operation is a complete shambles but that's for Copps to sort out.
But could do with been given the facts at a supposed Q&A with the owners.
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Can anyone really deny that we need more funds to be successful? It doesn't to me feel like we have a big enough budget at all.
Second point to add to my previous, maybe (I'm very sceptical), Schofield could achieve with better players available. Are these managers suffering because they're being asked to play a style and identify that doesn't befit the budget? Ie with a smaller budget which we seemingly have shouldn't we get more physical players who suit the level we are playing at?
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My guess is that we've been playing a long game in the hope that our model will bear fruit when the looming financial chickens come home to roost at other clubs who've been kicking a can down the road since covid and will be in serious danger of insolvency as interest rates have risen.
We were quick to pay off our covid loan and have focused on ensuring we don't need external investment to survive. We know that a lot of other clubs are nowhere near as healthy as us in that regard so not only will their debts be a burden but also their owners may feel less inclined to chuck cash at them when their other business interests are feeling the pinch.
No football fan takes any pleasure from seeing a community's club going under but if several clubs fail that'll lead to a lot of players needing to find new jobs with competition for places at sustainable clubs leading to a deflation of wage demands. With a cold, hard business head on this absolutely makes sense. Of course none of it is guaranteed as we know a lot of club owners don't think this rationally when indulging in their hobby of playing at football ownership.
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Its his style/tactics whats the problem
Even with better players, asking lower league defenders to play out from the back is suicide.
Tell me one chance we have created with this tactic?
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As I understood it, Richie Wellens was given the manager's job with the remit to bring back the style of football that was our identity under SOD. Wellens said in frustration on one occasion that he was cutting his nose off to spite his face in team and tactics selection. This made me wonder if he meant he was finding it nigh on impossible to carry out that instruction on a much lower budget than SOD had, and is Schofield finding the task equally as impossible?
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Can anyone really deny that we need more funds to be successful? It doesn't to me feel like we have a big enough budget at all.
Second point to add to my previous, maybe (I'm very sceptical), Schofield could achieve with better players available. Are these managers suffering because they're being asked to play a style and identify that doesn't befit the budget? Ie with a smaller budget which we seemingly have shouldn't we get more physical players who suit the level we are playing at?
I think this has been the case for a few years now. All well and good brining in players who have skill and can play a controlled and managed way but unfortunately for us we have fallen between two stools.
The players we have are not good enough to play this structured and controlled setup that the head coach is attempting to impose on us all. When SOD was here he had a nucleus of good skilful payers who could fit the style and also had enough about them to be savvy on the pitch when it cam to having to roll your sleeves up.
Things then get even more difficult for us because our supposedly "technical players" are not good enough and also they don't have the grit and determination to compete in games when it starts to break up and become unstructured.
We see this every week., we don't complain enough, we accept decisions that other teams bleat on about for ages, we don't get in the face of players when they have committed a bad foul and we don't partake in the dark arts when it may get you something from nothing, we even had a penalty appeal not given because the payer tried to keep his feet, how many other clubs players would have gone down like the titanic as soon as contact was made.
Its almost as if we play in manner that's exactly the same as the head coaches personality? you don't win anything in football by being nice and accommodating, the fair play league winners are never near the top of any leagues, come what may.
All the above cannot happen at our club because of the remit sent down from above that we play an "attractive and attacking style of football" when did this last happen, i'd say the season we had McCann as manager was the last time, and why did he leave, because he was attracted to what was supposedly a bigger club with a better budget.
If we are not in a position to give any decent perspective manager a good enough budget to have a proper go in this league then its pretty pointless getting rid of the current one, the next one would only end up in the same problems.
We will not attract a manager who has the experience to get us on the right road AND give him a budget that he can compete with, its not happening any time soon under the present regime.
We need a complete reset.
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Who is currently available that is experienced and successful at this level?
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Who is currently available that is experienced and successful at this level?
Regardless of who is available , we wont be getting them as we currently don't do "experience and successful"
Cheap and cheerful, maybe.
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Who is currently available that is experienced and successful at this level?
The answer to that is - Plenty !
I am sorry but getting a side out of this league is not rocket science, basics are a Manager who understands that winning is simply everything, and far more important than "getting our message into them", and then 11 players all sporting a proper pair of gonads who aren't as happy as our current lot are with failure.
Some of the comments being made by various players and after defeat after defeat makes me despair.
How the hell can this idiot be making them better players when demonstrably they are ALL become less effective with each passing game.
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No news at all?
Amazing!
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As I understood it, Richie Wellens was given the manager's job with the remit to bring back the style of football that was our identity under SOD. Wellens said in frustration on one occasion that he was cutting his nose off to spite his face in team and tactics selection. This made me wonder if he meant he was finding it nigh on impossible to carry out that instruction on a much lower budget than SOD had, and is Schofield finding the task equally as impossible?
I honestly think you could treble our playing budget and we wouldn’t see any success.
I think he has shown himself to be clueless tactically, unbelievably stubborn, arrogant, disingenuous and lacks motivational skills.
Don’t trust him so to waste another years budget would be unbelievably reckless.
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You are probably right, CR, but Wellens was described similarly when he was here, and what's the common denominator now?
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As I understood it, Richie Wellens was given the manager's job with the remit to bring back the style of football that was our identity under SOD. Wellens said in frustration on one occasion that he was cutting his nose off to spite his face in team and tactics selection. This made me wonder if he meant he was finding it nigh on impossible to carry out that instruction on a much lower budget than SOD had, and is Schofield finding the task equally as impossible?
I honestly think you could treble our playing budget and we wouldn’t see any success.
I think he has shown himself to be clueless tactically, unbelievably stubborn, arrogant, disingenuous and lacks motivational skills.
Don’t trust him so to waste another years budget would be unbelievably reckless.
Wellens comment didn't mean that at all.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/richie-wellens-will-cut-his-nose-off-to-spite-his-face-chasing-long-term-vision-for-doncaster-rovers-3358697
He was alluding to his feud with Bogle. Nothing more, nothing less.
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100%. Doesn't have a clue. More faith in McSheffrey and I wouldn't trust him with my over-35 team.
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As I understood it, Richie Wellens was given the manager's job with the remit to bring back the style of football that was our identity under SOD. Wellens said in frustration on one occasion that he was cutting his nose off to spite his face in team and tactics selection. This made me wonder if he meant he was finding it nigh on impossible to carry out that instruction on a much lower budget than SOD had, and is Schofield finding the task equally as impossible?
I honestly think you could treble our playing budget and we wouldn’t see any success.
I think he has shown himself to be clueless tactically, unbelievably stubborn, arrogant, disingenuous and lacks motivational skills.
Don’t trust him so to waste another years budget would be unbelievably reckless.
Wellens comment didn't mean that at all.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/richie-wellens-will-cut-his-nose-off-to-spite-his-face-chasing-long-term-vision-for-doncaster-rovers-3358697
He was alluding to his feud with Bogle. Nothing more, nothing less.
“My remit at this club is to get an identity back,” Wellens said.
“I looked at a team on Tuesday that was well-coached and with a clear identity over what they have been told to do.
“I will continue to make decisions for the long term benefit of this club because my plan is to be here long term."
“I can make decisions that in the short term might be better for me. And sometimes I’m cutting my nose off to spite my face, and I get that.
“But I make long term decisions for the benefit of the club, to get its identity back and bring us long term, sustainable success.
Do keep up.
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When you continually play short passes out to your full backs, teams will just press you straight away. You have to vary what you do. The element of surprise wins you games. We predictable and easy to play against.
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When you continually play short passes out to your full backs, teams will just press you straight away. You have to vary what you do. The element of surprise wins you games. We predictable and easy to play against.
Totally agree.
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As I understood it, Richie Wellens was given the manager's job with the remit to bring back the style of football that was our identity under SOD. Wellens said in frustration on one occasion that he was cutting his nose off to spite his face in team and tactics selection. This made me wonder if he meant he was finding it nigh on impossible to carry out that instruction on a much lower budget than SOD had, and is Schofield finding the task equally as impossible?
I honestly think you could treble our playing budget and we wouldn’t see any success.
I think he has shown himself to be clueless tactically, unbelievably stubborn, arrogant, disingenuous and lacks motivational skills.
Don’t trust him so to waste another years budget would be unbelievably reckless.
Wellens comment didn't mean that at all.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/richie-wellens-will-cut-his-nose-off-to-spite-his-face-chasing-long-term-vision-for-doncaster-rovers-3358697
He was alluding to his feud with Bogle. Nothing more, nothing less.
“My remit at this club is to get an identity back,” Wellens said.
“I looked at a team on Tuesday that was well-coached and with a clear identity over what they have been told to do.
“I will continue to make decisions for the long term benefit of this club because my plan is to be here long term."
“I can make decisions that in the short term might be better for me. And sometimes I’m cutting my nose off to spite my face, and I get that.
“But I make long term decisions for the benefit of the club, to get its identity back and bring us long term, sustainable success.
Do keep up.
You ignored the three paragraphs immediately preceding those.
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Don’t we just do what every other club does? You look at the best manager in the league below and offer them a step up? Probably couldn’t tempt a few but there must be some highly capable managers in the National League who have a good track record, who would jump at chance of coming to stable league club.
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Unfortunately yes, and get a proper manager in that knows what he’s doing.
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As I understood it, Richie Wellens was given the manager's job with the remit to bring back the style of football that was our identity under SOD. Wellens said in frustration on one occasion that he was cutting his nose off to spite his face in team and tactics selection. This made me wonder if he meant he was finding it nigh on impossible to carry out that instruction on a much lower budget than SOD had, and is Schofield finding the task equally as impossible?
I honestly think you could treble our playing budget and we wouldn’t see any success.
I think he has shown himself to be clueless tactically, unbelievably stubborn, arrogant, disingenuous and lacks motivational skills.
Don’t trust him so to waste another years budget would be unbelievably reckless.
Wellens comment didn't mean that at all.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/richie-wellens-will-cut-his-nose-off-to-spite-his-face-chasing-long-term-vision-for-doncaster-rovers-3358697
He was alluding to his feud with Bogle. Nothing more, nothing less.
“My remit at this club is to get an identity back,” Wellens said.
“I looked at a team on Tuesday that was well-coached and with a clear identity over what they have been told to do.
“I will continue to make decisions for the long term benefit of this club because my plan is to be here long term."
“I can make decisions that in the short term might be better for me. And sometimes I’m cutting my nose off to spite my face, and I get that.
“But I make long term decisions for the benefit of the club, to get its identity back and bring us long term, sustainable success.
Do keep up.
You ignored the three paragraphs immediately preceding those.
You ignored the paragraphs that followed.
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Sack him now,don't let the rot set in anymore,his style did'nt work with Huddersfield in championship with their players either,get a manager who don't except lack of effort and usually gets the best out of players,there was a time I would not want him because he left us,but would love McCann back,doubt we could persuade him to drop to league two now or we are willing to pay what it would take,but I wish we would try our best.
Agreed, but we don't seem to have anything like that kind of ambition anymore.
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Who is currently available that is experienced and successful at this level?
The answer to that is - Plenty !
I am sorry but getting a side out of this league is not rocket science, basics are a Manager who understands that winning is simply everything, and far more important than "getting our message into them", and then 11 players all sporting a proper pair of gonads who aren't as happy as our current lot are with failure.
Some of the comments being made by various players and after defeat after defeat makes me despair.
How the hell can this idiot be making them better players when demonstrably they are ALL become less effective with each passing game.
I’m just curious as to who people have in mind to replace DS if we sacked him. You all must have at least someone in mind?
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Who is currently available that is experienced and successful at this level?
The answer to that is - Plenty !
I am sorry but getting a side out of this league is not rocket science, basics are a Manager who understands that winning is simply everything, and far more important than "getting our message into them", and then 11 players all sporting a proper pair of gonads who aren't as happy as our current lot are with failure.
Some of the comments being made by various players and after defeat after defeat makes me despair.
How the hell can this idiot be making them better players when demonstrably they are ALL become less effective with each passing game.
I’m just curious as to who people have in mind to replace DS if we sacked him. You all must have at least someone in mind?
Why? No-one on this forum will have any influence in picking the manager. Right now I’d say literally anyone with a bit of experience could do a better job than Schofield.
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No BB.
I didn't.
I simply didn't see how anyone would read that and conclude that Wellens was starved of funds.
Also, I struggle to see why a manager would take on a job in June and complain about funding in August. I'd have thought the very basic due diligence you'd do during the recruitment process is to ask what budget you'd be working with.
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Who said he was starved of funds? I suggested he didn't have the same funds as SOD did to achieve what SOD achieved.
What's up, have you no one to argue with on your forum?
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Who is currently available that is experienced and successful at this level?
The answer to that is - Plenty !
I am sorry but getting a side out of this league is not rocket science, basics are a Manager who understands that winning is simply everything, and far more important than "getting our message into them", and then 11 players all sporting a proper pair of gonads who aren't as happy as our current lot are with failure.
Some of the comments being made by various players and after defeat after defeat makes me despair.
How the hell can this idiot be making them better players when demonstrably they are ALL become less effective with each passing game.
I’m just curious as to who people have in mind to replace DS if we sacked him. You all must have at least someone in mind?
Absolutely 100% John Coleman. His lower league record with Accrington is tremendous. Someone on here said we never poach other clubs' managers, well in this case we should, because his wages at Accrington won't be that much, and as someone else said, the combined salaries of Copps and DS would enable us to offer a decent package.
Also, I can't see compensation for him exactly breaking the bank.
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I agree with most of that Campsall my only doubt is the appropriate funds will not be available for a good manager to put a promotion squad together.
Understand that Steve, there are also decent managers out there who I reckon wouldn't cost the earth, & can also work on a shoestring budget, let alone a good one. Any decent, experienced manager would be better than this, it's an absolute farce.
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Who is currently available that is experienced and successful at this level?
The answer to that is - Plenty !
I am sorry but getting a side out of this league is not rocket science, basics are a Manager who understands that winning is simply everything, and far more important than "getting our message into them", and then 11 players all sporting a proper pair of gonads who aren't as happy as our current lot are with failure.
Some of the comments being made by various players and after defeat after defeat makes me despair.
How the hell can this idiot be making them better players when demonstrably they are ALL become less effective with each passing game.
I’m just curious as to who people have in mind to replace DS if we sacked him. You all must have at least someone in mind?
That is the question isn't it. Although it would take some going to be much worse. I'd prefer John Coleman, Karl Robinson, Michael Appleton, Danny Cowley, Keith Hill, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Paul Cook even than Schofield.
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...and when the ball goes out of touch for a throw in our favour we have absolutely no idea what to do with it.
To draw on another O'Drsicoll comparison, he was questioned once on the team's approach to goal kicks but the same point stands for throw-ins. To paraphrase "There are lots of situations in football matches that you don't always expect and can't accurately plan for. But there are certain things that you know will happen in every single game so it makes sense to practice and plan for what to do in those situations."
We know that in every match we play there will be numerous throw-ins up and down the length of the touchline but whenever one comes up the players look like the ref has made up the concept there and then. Nobody knows where they should be running or what to do with the ball if they receive it. For someone who wants to be "the best coach in the world" one could be forgiven for thinking he might have a plan for the inevitable.
...and when the ball goes out of touch for a throw in our favour we have absolutely no idea what to do with it.
To draw on another O'Drsicoll comparison, he was questioned once on the team's approach to goal kicks but the same point stands for throw-ins. To paraphrase "There are lots of situations in football matches that you don't always expect and can't accurately plan for. But there are certain things that you know will happen in every single game so it makes sense to practice and plan for what to do in those situations."
We know that in every match we play there will be numerous throw-ins up and down the length of the touchline but whenever one comes up the players look like the ref has made up the concept there and then. Nobody knows where they should be running or what to do with the ball if they receive it. For someone who wants to be "the best coach in the world" one could be forgiven for thinking he might have a plan for the inevitable.
...and when the ball goes out of touch for a throw in our favour we have absolutely no idea what to do with it.
To draw on another O'Drsicoll comparison, he was questioned once on the team's approach to goal kicks but the same point stands for throw-ins. To paraphrase "There are lots of situations in football matches that you don't always expect and can't accurately plan for. But there are certain things that you know will happen in every single game so it makes sense to practice and plan for what to do in those situations."
We know that in every match we play there will be numerous throw-ins up and down the length of the touchline but whenever one comes up the players look like the ref has made up the concept there and then. Nobody knows where they should be running or what to do with the ball if they receive it. For someone who wants to be "the best coach in the world" one could be forgiven for thinking he might have a plan for the inevitable.
This is a really good point, & yet more proof that this guy has no idea how to manage a team. He has a cautious approach to games as we know, his tactics towards the opposition are naive, at Salford Galbraith had so much space to play it was untrue, our manager did nothing to nullify him. The amount of times they hit the lad with the bandage on with diagonals at will was embarrassing, he got behind us time after time, again he did nothing to negate the threat. These are parts of the game an experienced manager would act against, or counter, I don't believe a rooky coach, as good as that coach may be, knows how to influence games & form a successful team for the rigours of league 2.
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Who is currently available that is experienced and successful at this level?
The answer to that is - Plenty !
I am sorry but getting a side out of this league is not rocket science, basics are a Manager who understands that winning is simply everything, and far more important than "getting our message into them", and then 11 players all sporting a proper pair of gonads who aren't as happy as our current lot are with failure.
Some of the comments being made by various players and after defeat after defeat makes me despair.
How the hell can this idiot be making them better players when demonstrably they are ALL become less effective with each passing game.
I’m just curious as to who people have in mind to replace DS if we sacked him. You all must have at least someone in mind?
That is the question isn't it. Although it would take some going to be much worse. I'd prefer John Coleman, Karl Robinson, Michael Appleton, Danny Cowley, Keith Hill, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Paul Cook even than Schofield.
You make a good point but I’d rather keep Schofield, appoint Weaver as first team coach and McSheffrey as assistant first team coach, and bring Uncle Ken back as Head of Football Operations than have Karl Robinson at the club.
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No.
Schofield isn't the problem. He's left trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. This is what that looks like. Solid but largely dour football designed to see us through to the end of the season. The bare minimum of a functioning team.
The players we have are not good enough and weren't signed to play together in any sort of coherent system. One of those things is bad enough, but both together is completely unmanageable.
I see people asking for a Steve Evans type manager. Can you honestly say if we had that type of manager trying to impress that style on this bunch of misfits, that we'd be any better off? Can you see Ben Close suddenly getting in people's faces and crunching into tackles in midfield? I can't see it.
It's obvious the season was written off a long time ago. Losing our most attacking wing back in Knoyle and replacing him with a solid if unspectacular loanee in Brown clearly demonstrates that. The aim is to steady the ship and grind out the season without getting pasted every week. But the club aren't just going to come out and tell the fans that.
Much like Schofield isn't going to come out and say his players aren't good enough. He knows that, he must do, but he isn't the sort of manager to start laying into players in the press. Neither was Moore, in fact he could barely string a sentence together, but he had us as the best team in the league when he was here.
I've seen that he can implement a style of play, ok it's a bad one, but it's the best we can hope for with this group of players. For me that's enough to warrant giving him a pre season, because if he can do it with this bunch, he'll be able to do it with better players. If anyone at the club is able to identify them, that is.
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No.
Schofield isn't the problem. He's left trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. This is what that looks like. Solid but largely dour football designed to see us through to the end of the season. The bare minimum of a functioning team.
The players we have are not good enough and weren't signed to play together in any sort of coherent system. One of those things is bad enough, but both together is completely unmanageable.
I see people asking for a Steve Evans type manager. Can you honestly say if we had that type of manager trying to impress that style on this bunch of misfits, that we'd be any better off? Can you see Ben Close suddenly getting in people's faces and crunching into tackles in midfield? I can't see it.
It's obvious the season was written off a long time ago. Losing our most attacking wing back in Knoyle and replacing him with a solid if unspectacular loanee in Brown clearly demonstrates that. The aim is to steady the ship and grind out the season without getting pasted every week. But the club aren't just going to come out and tell the fans that.
Much like Schofield isn't going to come out and say his players aren't good enough. He knows that, he must do, but he isn't the sort of manager to start laying into players in the press. Neither was Moore, in fact he could barely string a sentence together, but he had us as the best team in the league when he was here.
I've seen that he can implement a style of play, ok it's a bad one, but it's the best we can hope for with this group of players. For me that's enough to warrant giving him a pre season, because if he can do it with this bunch, he'll be able to do it with better players. If anyone at the club is able to identify them, that is.
Why are we giving new contracts out then?
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No.
Schofield isn't the problem. He's left trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. This is what that looks like. Solid but largely dour football designed to see us through to the end of the season. The bare minimum of a functioning team.
The players we have are not good enough and weren't signed to play together in any sort of coherent system. One of those things is bad enough, but both together is completely unmanageable.
I see people asking for a Steve Evans type manager. Can you honestly say if we had that type of manager trying to impress that style on this bunch of misfits, that we'd be any better off? Can you see Ben Close suddenly getting in people's faces and crunching into tackles in midfield? I can't see it.
It's obvious the season was written off a long time ago. Losing our most attacking wing back in Knoyle and replacing him with a solid if unspectacular loanee in Brown clearly demonstrates that. The aim is to steady the ship and grind out the season without getting pasted every week. But the club aren't just going to come out and tell the fans that.
Much like Schofield isn't going to come out and say his players aren't good enough. He knows that, he must do, but he isn't the sort of manager to start laying into players in the press. Neither was Moore, in fact he could barely string a sentence together, but he had us as the best team in the league when he was here.
I've seen that he can implement a style of play, ok it's a bad one, but it's the best we can hope for with this group of players. For me that's enough to warrant giving him a pre season, because if he can do it with this bunch, he'll be able to do it with better players. If anyone at the club is able to identify them, that is.
We are getting played off the pitch by teams fighting to stay in the football league even though the players we have are better than theirs, he can't be given a pre season.
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BB
When you said "This made me wonder if he meant he was finding it nigh on impossible to carry out that instruction on a much lower budget than SOD had"
I assumed you were wondering if Wellens had got frustrated that he didn't have the funds necessary to do the job.
My apologies if I misunderstood you.
Whatever you did or didn't mean, it's a hell of a stretch from reading that article to coming to that conclusion.
Wellens never got over his red mist at Bogle not doing what he wanted him to do (leave the club) and as a result insisted on playing a string of strikers who were even shitter than Bogle.
Schofield has had the bad luck to inherit a cack squad (including overhangs of some of the money Wellens wasted) but he's certainly doing a fine job of making it play worse than the sum of its parts.
I've yet to see any evidence that the funds we've spent on players over the past 2.5 years should have resulted in some of the worst football I've ever seen from a Rover team.
I doubt we picked up Rowe, Knoyle, Close, Miller, Molyneux etc with the offer of paying them in brass washers. And we've already offered lengthy extensions to several of this squad.
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It's been about a week since I last did this, but seems about the right time - nothing symbolises the abject and risible amateurishness over recent seasons under multiple managers, then the quest to try and replace Marquis. And not replace his goals given how rare you get goals like that, but rather more prosaically just a focal point of a vaguely capable and reliable striker who could lead a line. The type of solid lad we see pretty much every club field against us, week in and week out. What did we see? - Bogle, Agard, Rakish, Mipo, Kwame, Sterling, Tulloch, Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, Andrews, the list is a sorry, sorry sight. How could we not have landed on one capable player out of the lot of them? Then when you throw in the humiliation of Aiden O'Brien and Will Grigg. It's slapstick.
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Half of the squad that played at Crawley have contracts that see them well into next season. Do we honestly think with a few extra players, that Schofield will mould them into a promotion worthy team. ? I’m not seeing or feeling it.
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It's been about a week since I last did this, but seems about the right time - nothing symbolises the abject and risible amateurishness over recent seasons under multiple managers, then the quest to try and replace Marquis. And not replace his goals given how rare you get goals like that, but rather more prosaically just a focal point of a vaguely capable and reliable striker who could lead a line. The type of solid lad we see pretty much every club field against us, week in and week out. What did we see? - Bogle, Agard, Rakish, Milo, Kwame, Sterling, Tulloch, Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, Andrews, the list is a sorry, sorry sight. How could we not have landed on one capable player out of the lot of them? Then when you throw in the humiliation of Aiden O'Brien and Will Grigg. It's slapstick.
Please don’t mention c****r again.
I’d just about resigned him to the bad memory vault.
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If you listen to what he says it is totally devoid of any insight. He cannot account for his team’s performances even in the broadest of terms, let alone the detail. He talks entirely in generalities.
He sees only a big picture and then totally misreads it. There is never anything specific in his observations. He relates to patterns of play and formations and believes implicitly that if they are executed properly and there is a good mindset, good results will just emerge. It is akin to a religious faith.
It reflects what seems a very insular personality.
That is a spot on analogy.
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BB
When you said "This made me wonder if he meant he was finding it nigh on impossible to carry out that instruction on a much lower budget than SOD had"
I assumed you were wondering if Wellens had got frustrated that he didn't have the funds necessary to do the job.
My apologies if I misunderstood you.
Whatever you did or didn't mean, it's a hell of a stretch from reading that article to coming to that conclusion.
Wellens never got over his red mist at Bogle not doing what he wanted him to do (leave the club) and as a result insisted on playing a string of strikers who were even shitter than Bogle.
Schofield has had the bad luck to inherit a cack squad (including overhangs of some of the money Wellens wasted) but he's certainly doing a fine job of making it play worse than the sum of its parts.
I've yet to see any evidence that the funds we've spent on players over the past 2.5 years should have resulted in some of the worst football I've ever seen from a Rover team.
I doubt we picked up Rowe, Knoyle, Close, Miller, Molyneux etc with the offer of paying them in brass washers. And we've already offered lengthy extensions to several of this squad.
Sorry BB i agree with BST on this one.
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You are probably right, CR, but Wellens was described similarly when he was here, and what's the common denominator now?
Sorry BB the two situations between RW & DS do not have a common denominator.
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Our squad just lacks the few missing pieces that could make it a very successful winning one.
We need to add some steel to it. Some physicality.
Is DS planning on signing that type of player?
What actually is his footballing philosophy?
If he continues to play this current way and system then I don’t see any long term success over 46 games. We won’t score enough goals to finish top half.
With the players he has got now why are we playing a system continually match after match that does not suit the current players we have and clearly does not get consistent positive results.
Not only that it is so boring to watch both the fans and the players are clearly not enjoying themselves. Performances are deteriorating and confidence is sapping away. He is actually making decent footballing individual players worse not better with his tactical ineptitude.
We have a Head Coach who is so set in his ways and inflexible that it would be a small miracle to get a team together that would be successful under his methods.
As it is he is going to empty our stadium. We are going to lose 50% at least I reckon of our current season ticket holders which in turn reduces the budget and hinders recruitment further.
If we get an experience manager in and he signs the right 4 players this summer then we have the nucleus of a squad already here that can be very successful at this level. That there is no question imo.
Others may disagree.
We just need a proper centre forward who can play with his back to goal and can score goals, a tough tackling mobile central midfielder.
A proper right back and another midfielder a box to box player with legs to run all day. Someone with an eye for goal.
Most importantly we need to sign one, preferably 2 players who are real leaders both on the pitch and in the dressing room.
Every manager needs leaders. We are sadly lacking that leadership with our current squad.
With the current 1st team squad players of
Mitchell, Younger, Faulkner, Anderson, Olowu, Rowe, Maxwell, Seaman, Close, Biggins, Taylor, Hurst, Molyneux, Lavery and Miller we have a solid nucleus of players already under contract, recently signed new ones and a few yet to sign as far as I am aware.
Clear out, Jones, Long, Williams, Ravenhill, Barlow, Agard & Griffiths.
The loan players Brown, Nelson, Lakin & B Miller will probably go back to their parent clubs. Only Lakin I would consider signing permanently if his fitness is 100% after his injury.
PS. Obviously we would not be signing Nelson as Leicester will not be selling him. Possible loan but suspect that he will go to a League 1 club on loan next season.
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When he gets sacked in November, we’ll be having the same conversations about needing experience and a proven record.
They’ll be a 6 weeks process, an outstanding group of candidates - some with championship experience. Our industry leading process will decide Paul Green is the man to take us forward, and the same threads will be popping up this time next year.
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Great post Campsall. I too worry that he and Copps are ideologically opposed to signing what we need and will just sign more fairy dust players.
Just wanted to add a few things.
We also need another centre back that has to be left footed to provide balance and depth to next seasons options (no RSW or Nelson). He would also need to be experienced to balance out the relative inexperience of Faulkner and Olowu.
To add to that, we need another LB for depth and who is also more physically imposing and defensively astute than Maxwell. Under McSheffrey in a back 4 he would often struggle and would be targeted aerially. Maxwell is brilliant going forwards and I think he would excel at LM if we do play 4-4-2 next season. Interested as to your thoughts on that. I think he played there for Queen of the South.
George Miller is categorically NOT a lone striker. If DS has the intention to carry on with that next season he needs to go now. You can still play attractive football with a big man up top. Look at Giroud for France for example, superb player. It will never not be effective.
* also Seaman is due to expire
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Great post Campsall. I too worry that he and Copps are ideologically opposed to signing what we need and will just sign more fairy dust players.
Just wanted to add a few things.
We also need another centre back that has to be left footed to provide balance and depth to next seasons options (no RSW or Nelson). He would also need to be experienced to balance out the relative inexperience of Faulkner and Olowu.
To add to that, we need another LB for depth and who is also more physically imposing and defensively astute than Maxwell. Under McSheffrey in a back 4 he would often struggle and would be targeted aerially. Maxwell is brilliant going forwards and I think he would excel at LM if we do play 4-4-2 next season. Interested as to your thoughts on that. I think he played there for Queen of the South.
George Miller is categorically NOT a lone striker. If DS has the intention to carry on with that next season he needs to go now. You can still play attractive football with a big man up top. Look at Giroud for France for example, superb player. It will never not be effective.
* also Seaman is due to expire
I think Olowu can play on the left of a 3 as he did previously. His left foot is as good as his right. Because he played on the left I actually thought that was his natural foot. Apparently not.
Yes if Long goes and he maybe under contract still ( not sure ) but I don’t think he is good enough, then yes we will need another one in as cover or if Faulkner is not going to start then we will need someone else maybe another loan player but would prefer an experienced head.
If we played a flat back 4 then a 100% fit Anderson and 0lowu would be 1st choice starters I would think.
Maxwell yes he is ok as a wing back in a 5 but agree in a 4 would be suspect especially in the air. Same goes for Brown if we were to sign him.
Both Maxwell and Brown and Rowe and Seaman when playing under this clown have not been used as proper wing backs. We play with almost a flat back 5 most of the time because we are outnumbered in the middle of the park and are on the back foot because we can’t retain possession to build attacks.
We can all see it but MR know it all DS can’t see it.
So yes play Maxwell as a proper wing back or he could play as you say left midfield in another formation such as the good old 4-4-2
I would not trust this manager to build a team capable of success. This is League 2 not the Premier League.
We have to have a physical spine to the team without that the chances of getting out of this league are as remote as me being the next Prime Minister of the country.
Think you and i are on the same page ncRover
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When you said "This made me wonder if he meant he was finding it nigh on impossible to carry out that instruction on a much lower budget than SOD had"
I assumed you were wondering if Wellens had got frustrated that he didn't have the funds necessary to do the job.
My apologies if I misunderstood you.
Whatever you did or didn't mean, it's a hell of a stretch from reading that article to coming to that conclusion.
Wellens never got over his red mist at Bogle not doing what he wanted him to do (leave the club) and as a result insisted on playing a string of strikers who were even shitter than Bogle.
Schofield has had the bad luck to inherit a cack squad (including overhangs of some of the money Wellens wasted) but he's certainly doing a fine job of making it play worse than the sum of its parts.
I've yet to see any evidence that the funds we've spent on players over the past 2.5 years should have resulted in some of the worst football I've ever seen from a Rover team.
I doubt we picked up Rowe, Knoyle, Close, Miller, Molyneux etc with the offer of paying them in brass washers. And we've already offered lengthy extensions to several of this squad.
Sorry BB i agree with BST on this one.
Campsall, I stand by everything I said and think you are wrong regarding the common denominator also.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/richie-wellens-in-hindsight-i-shouldnt-have-taken-the-doncaster-rovers-job-3605215
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I haven’t seen that free press article before BB.
Some of the things he says will resonate with what some supporters are saying and with what Knoyle said when he left us.
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Trouble is Hound, some people who were against Wellens' appointment in the first place will be unwilling to resonate with it even though there is strong evidence of its authenticity.
Some people just cannot be wrong, ever. We know of one of those for definite!
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:welcome:BB
When you said "This made me wonder if he meant he was finding it nigh on impossible to carry out that instruction on a much lower budget than SOD had"
I assumed you were wondering if Wellens had got frustrated that he didn't have the funds necessary to do the job.
My apologies if I misunderstood you.
Whatever you did or didn't mean, it's a hell of a stretch from reading that article to coming to that conclusion.
Wellens never got over his red mist at Bogle not doing what he wanted him to do (leave the club) and as a result insisted on playing a string of strikers who were even shitter than Bogle.
Schofield has had the bad luck to inherit a cack squad (including overhangs of some of the money Wellens wasted) but he's certainly doing a fine job of making it play worse than the sum of its parts.
I've yet to see any evidence that the funds we've spent on players over the past 2.5 years should have resulted in some of the worst football I've ever seen from a Rover team.
I doubt we picked up Rowe, Knoyle, Close, Miller, Molyneux etc with the offer of paying them in brass washers. And we've already offered lengthy extensions to several of this squad.
Sorry BB i agree with BST on this one.
Campsall, I stand by everything I said and think you are wrong regarding the common denominator also.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/richie-wellens-in-hindsight-i-shouldnt-have-taken-the-doncaster-rovers-job-3605215
BB just read that article again. In that interview RW said his remit was to keep us up.
Initially I thought he had said the same as the board had said which was “ the budget should enable us to finish mid table”
So which is the true version?
If Wellens is correct then it was difficult for him. But some of his recruitment was dire whatever budget he had.
But I think if RW was our manager now we would be top 7 in this league with our current squad.
Our recruitment last summer was decent. Maxwell, Biggins, Molyneux, Hurst, and Miller are all very decent players at this level and imo have the potential to be at League 1 also. All young enough to improve under a good coach.
RW would have used them far more effectively than DS has. Let’s face it that wouldn’t have been difficult
We would have played attacking football and we would have created and scored far more goals.
He would have played a system to suit what we have.
So common denominator. Was GM’s budget last summer bigger than RW’s in the previous one?
We are a league lower this season so the same budget would be proportionally higher in the lower division.
The jury is out. Yes it’s possible you are right BB If so then I retract my previous post on that one.
Will we ever know though. What we do need is some proper transparency on the budget right now.
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Apparently schofield has said another season in lge two is not a failure providing there is improvement on the pitch . Good luck with that .
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Another point regards DS's appointment is surely he had an idea of the strengths & weaknesses of the players he inherited and knew that he wouldn't be able to implement the way he wished to play immediately with those players. In his interview was he not asked or did he not put forward ideas of how he would use the existing players to their full effect until such time (maybe 2 or 3 transfer windows) that he got the right players to suit his preferred style. A good experienced manager worth employing should be able to demonstrate, in an interview, an interim plan of how to get the best out of them before swapping them with his own.
Did DS pull the wool over Copp's eyes at his interview regards this or was he not asked.
Schofield has shot himself in the foot with his inflexibility and insistence of putting square pegs in round holes just to implement his preferred system, or maybe, as I suspect, he doesn't have any plan B.
This should have been picked up in his interview bit it looks like it wasn't even considered!
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Should he be sacked ? In my opinion no, we have have to give him or should I say them until October then act.
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So, on recruiting Richie Wellens the club gave him the remit to keep us up and subsequently sacked him. Did they not then give themselves the remit of recruiting a manager capable of keeping us up? Subsequently selecting a man with zero experience of managing at any level who lacked the fundamental skills to meet the remit... and then sacked him also.
Hmmmm.
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We are a league lower this season so the same budget would be proportionally higher in the lower division.
What we don’t know is where they’re plans to sell players to make the budget bigger.
Last January was here we waiting to see if Whiteman was sold to allow Copps and DS to bring in better players.
This summer have Whiteman and May got sell on clauses so if they are sold our budget will be bigger. Do we rely say on Faulkner being sold to supplement the budget for better players. These are the unknowns. So how big the budget is to bring in quality players with experience we don’t know. Last summer we brought in ok players but none you would say would take league 2 apart.
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They're not doing a bad job of taking our league 2 standing apart.
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It's been about a week since I last did this, but seems about the right time - nothing symbolises the abject and risible amateurishness over recent seasons under multiple managers, then the quest to try and replace Marquis. And not replace his goals given how rare you get goals like that, but rather more prosaically just a focal point of a vaguely capable and reliable striker who could lead a line. The type of solid lad we see pretty much every club field against us, week in and week out. What did we see? - Bogle, Agard, Rakish, Mipo, Kwame, Sterling, Tulloch, Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, Andrews, the list is a sorry, sorry sight. How could we not have landed on one capable player out of the lot of them? Then when you throw in the humiliation of Aiden O'Brien and Will Grigg. It's slapstick.
Add Griffiths to that very, very long list...
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It's been about a week since I last did this, but seems about the right time - nothing symbolises the abject and risible amateurishness over recent seasons under multiple managers, then the quest to try and replace Marquis. And not replace his goals given how rare you get goals like that, but rather more prosaically just a focal point of a vaguely capable and reliable striker who could lead a line. The type of solid lad we see pretty much every club field against us, week in and week out. What did we see? - Bogle, Agard, Rakish, Mipo, Kwame, Sterling, Tulloch, Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, Andrews, the list is a sorry, sorry sight. How could we not have landed on one capable player out of the lot of them? Then when you throw in the humiliation of Aiden O'Brien and Will Grigg. It's slapstick.
Add Griffiths to that very, very long list...
And actually (people won't really like it) Alfie May when he played for us, it's since he left us he improved.
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It's been about a week since I last did this, but seems about the right time - nothing symbolises the abject and risible amateurishness over recent seasons under multiple managers, then the quest to try and replace Marquis. And not replace his goals given how rare you get goals like that, but rather more prosaically just a focal point of a vaguely capable and reliable striker who could lead a line. The type of solid lad we see pretty much every club field against us, week in and week out. What did we see? - Bogle, Agard, Rakish, Mipo, Kwame, Sterling, Tulloch, Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, Andrews, the list is a sorry, sorry sight. How could we not have landed on one capable player out of the lot of them? Then when you throw in the humiliation of Aiden O'Brien and Will Grigg. It's slapstick.
Add Griffiths to that very, very long list...
And actually (people won't really like it) Alfie May when he played for us, it's since he left us he improved.
I think that's likely to cause a stir on here! I'll nibble first - Alfie got 23 goals plus 8 assists, worked his socks off every time he came on, and I felt didn't get a fair crack some of the time. He's definitely kicked on since he left us, but putting him on that list is pure cheekiness ;)
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Should he be sacked ? In my opinion no, we have have to give him or should I say them until October then act.
How far down the league table do we need to be by October is that 1st or 31st by the way. There is probably a five match difference to those 2 dates.
We could be bottom 2 on either of those dates. If so the season is dead. Well no it isn’t the new manager will have the remit of keeping us in the EFL.
So a wasted season. Are you prepared to take that risk with a man who has shown absolutely no ability to improve this group of players and has his team I think lower than it was when GM got sacked.
We have played well in 3 games under his tenure. Stevenage H but we still lost, Grimsby A and Carlisle H We were reasonable at Swindon A but Swindon were quite awful and our U18s would have beaten them by a bigger score that day.
Apart from them we have had 15/20/30 min spells in some games where we actually looked the better team and played with some attacking purpose.
So how many games has DS had? Not counted but at a guess around 22 so is the above acceptable.
Not only is it unacceptable it is so utterly boring and tedious to watch.
My 10 yr old Grandson has no enthusiasm to go to games anymore. Even he can see the flawed tactics and yes he is 10 yrs old.
His generation are our future fans but we will lose him and all the others unless a change is made.
Kids should be chomping at the bit for their Saturday afternoon watching Pro football.
Under this manager they are being scared away. It’s like a punishment for them 90+ mins of utter dross.
Get rid now. To keep him would be madness imo.
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The questions should be why was he appointed? And what has he done to keep his job? The guy has no redeeming leadership or managerial qualities. He shows no respect to supporters either.
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Should he be sacked ? In my opinion no, we have have to give him or should I say them until October then act.
By which point we will be stuck with players that he has recruited that can’t play league 2 football.
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Trouble is Hound, some people who were against Wellens' appointment in the first place will be unwilling to resonate with it even though there is strong evidence of its authenticity.
Some people just cannot be wrong, ever. We know of one of those for definite!
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No encouragement for next season, in what he has produced since being in charge.
There is only one thing to do and that’s thanks for your efforts Danny but it isn’t working.
Let someone who knows his football come in and have a look at what he has. This manager is playing at the game.
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Thinking about this. What odds on Chad Gribble being our first team manager at the end of the season. Horrible to think of this but I have a feeling that's what we'll see.
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I think the dwindling attendances and views from fans (chants at games and online) is about as clear a message as you can get.
We just need to learn from this!
Butler - no first team manager experience (although right appointment after Moore had done the Judas on us) which didn't work
McSheffrey - no first team manager experience - didn't work
Schofield - a few games caretaker experience - really really isn't working
We're crying out for a bit of nous and experience. We're a big club at Lg2, we've got the core of a good team and managers do get to spend money in the windows, the right manager could make the world of a difference - a bit of a stretch financially in that department is the best investment we can make now to right the ship and build some momentum for our club again.
Exactly this.
Whilst i agree to an extent with those who say "we cant keep sacking managers" my argument is we are not are employing managers in the first place. Only Wellens out of the last 4 can be classed as a manager, and IMHO he deserved to be sacked with the dross he signed. He has proved himself as somewhat of an enigma though as in fairness hes done a good job everywhere else.
Orient look like they are going up along with Carlisle managed by Paul Simpson. Someone we could have had, yet opted for Vicky Pollard yeah but no but Schofield, whos interviews and tactics are an insult to the fans and this club i love.
I think the most profound thing is that even people like me and others on here who don't generally look to sack managers early (I think we are referred to as "happy clappers") have concluded that DS is completely out of his depth and seems incapable of identifying the obvious flaws in his players and system and knowing how to change them for the better, he is showing no semblance of reality regarding what we can all see and appears to be okay with the disgraceful performances coming from his team, there is no anger or frustration apparent in his interviews that gives confidence that he will not accept what is fast becoming the norm. Its obvious that he just doesn't have the characteristics needed in a manager capable of turning our fortunes round.
Excellent post.
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Thinking about this. What odds on Chad Gribble being our first team manager at the end of the season. Horrible to think of this but I have a feeling that's what we'll see.
Or Paul Green.
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Thinking about this. What odds on Chad Gribble being our first team manager at the end of the season. Horrible to think of this but I have a feeling that's what we'll see.
He's got to go as well, has to be part of the problem as what on earth can someone with literally no experience of senior football be offering. I see other clubs with senior experienced ex-pros as number 2's and we have the work experience kid in. Wigan had James Beattie putting out and collecting towels!
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Thinking about this. What odds on Chad Gribble being our first team manager at the end of the season. Horrible to think of this but I have a feeling that's what we'll see.
He is part of the problem. Just a yes man to DS
Youth coach at Exeter who is our 2nd in command. It’s a joke isn’t it. Wake me up when this nopightmare is over.
Oh at least Paul Green can coach but he is not our man, that’s not what I am saying.
If we had gone for Paul Simpson where would we be now. We have 6/7layers who would walk into their team. Or at least they would if Simpson was our manager and not theirs.
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Who is currently available that is experienced and successful at this level?
The answer to that is - Plenty !
I am sorry but getting a side out of this league is not rocket science, basics are a Manager who understands that winning is simply everything, and far more important than "getting our message into them", and then 11 players all sporting a proper pair of gonads who aren't as happy as our current lot are with failure.
Some of the comments being made by various players and after defeat after defeat makes me despair.
How the hell can this idiot be making them better players when demonstrably they are ALL become less effective with each passing game.
I’m just curious as to who people have in mind to replace DS if we sacked him. You all must have at least someone in mind?
Absolutely 100% John Coleman. His lower league record with Accrington is tremendous. Someone on here said we never poach other clubs' managers, well in this case we should, because his wages at Accrington won't be that much, and as someone else said, the combined salaries of Copps and DS would enable us to offer a decent package.
Also, I can't see compensation for him exactly breaking the bank.
Been saying the same for a while now Steve. His teams are always organised, competitive, & create & score goals, & I dare say on a much less budget than ours.
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I’m one for positivity and giving people a decent run at things but after five decades of supporting Rovers, I’ve lost interest. The performances are depressing, the whole air around the club is stale and I just can’t be bothered anymore. It’s just so sad to witness.
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I’m one for positivity and giving people a decent run at things but after five decades of supporting Rovers, I’ve lost interest. The performances are depressing, the whole air around the club is stale and I just can’t be bothered anymore. It’s just so sad to witness.
Another 5 decades supporter here too, I'm struggling now, this is the worst football I have ever witnessed in all those years, & I've seen some sh--e.
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It's been about a week since I last did this, but seems about the right time - nothing symbolises the abject and risible amateurishness over recent seasons under multiple managers, then the quest to try and replace Marquis. And not replace his goals given how rare you get goals like that, but rather more prosaically just a focal point of a vaguely capable and reliable striker who could lead a line. The type of solid lad we see pretty much every club field against us, week in and week out. What did we see? - Bogle, Agard, Rakish, Mipo, Kwame, Sterling, Tulloch, Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, Andrews, the list is a sorry, sorry sight. How could we not have landed on one capable player out of the lot of them? Then when you throw in the humiliation of Aiden O'Brien and Will Grigg. It's slapstick.
Add Griffiths to that very, very long list...
And actually (people won't really like it) Alfie May when he played for us, it's since he left us he improved.
John Marquis: 134 league games / 61 goals @ 0.46 goals per game
Those who have "suceeded" him as recognised strikers (league games only):
Kieran Sadlier: 33 / 11 (19/20 season)
George Miller: 34 / 11
Tyreece John-Jules: 18 / 5
Joe Dodoo: 33 / 4
Kwame Thomas: 10 / 3
Omar Bogle: 27 / 3
Kieran Agard: 30 / 3
Mipo Odubeko: 16 / 2
Reo Griffiths: 20 / 2
Rakish Bingham: 8 / 1
Caolan Lavery: 11 / 1
Alfie May 15 / 1 (19/20 season)
Jordy Hiwula: 20 / 1
Tiago Cukur: 21 / 1
Rayhaan Tulloch: 2 / 0
Kazaiah Sterling: 3 / 0
Josh Andrews: 4 / 0
Max Woltman: 13 / 0
Total: 318 / 48 @ 0.15 goals per game
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Thinking about this. What odds on Chad Gribble being our first team manager at the end of the season. Horrible to think of this but I have a feeling that's what we'll see.
Tommy Rowe
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I'm going to try to give a bit of perspective here. It's never good to be in situations where yet another manager/head coach finds himself receiving the wrath of the fans and I'm not going to say he definitely needs to go or not but I hope the HoF and the board can weigh thar up for themselves on merit.
Now, yes, recent performances have been poor but it wasn't too long ago this 'novice' manager had us within a couple of points of Bradford with their more experienced high profile manager. Yes, there were plenty of room for improvement but already the jury was already out on him. Now, given we've lost three more of our 'better' players, I'm not sure what he can do to convince fans in what's left of the season, other than damage limitation and give some of our younger players more game time. (They deserve our support at least)
Any manager struggles when you don't have your better players at your disposal. Going back in time to Wellens and that article. When the board say it's a season to consolidate on the back of covid, then it's not rocket science to understand the budget wasn't up to normal standards. However, a fair portion of the budget was tied up with players on the long term injured list, although Wellens didn't know they would be out for as long. Nobody did. After a reasonable start to his recruitment, we just couldn't replace those missing players with the same 'quality' so he was hampered. He didn't help himself with the Bogle and Williams situation though. Of course, it's going to be a stuggle and fans took to social media and a few tried to dig dirt on him to hound him out.McSheffrey inherited the same injury list and also struggled and gradually felt the weight of pressure and wrath of the fans.
In both cases, it's hardly surprising the rest of the players suffered too with confidence being shot.
It's happened under Fergie when wheels fell off, it happened to Moore before he jumped ship (although he didn't cope as well with some big decisions) and got pelters from the fans.
We are very quick to write both managers and players off when perhaps they should have got a bit more support as maybe time has shown they're not as bad as folk tried to lead us to believe at the time.
Yes, many will say the budget wasn't or isn't good enough but, how do we square that off with clubs who are probably on a similar level financially??
I've heard John Colemans name mentioned a couple of times. Who can't admire what he's achieved. Accrington utilise the loan market to the maximum, probably because they have to but he has managed to get some good tunes out of them and exceed expectations. What chance would he have here if he followed the same methodology 'developing other clubs players' for example?
Are we too quick to condemn our managers without a fair trial?
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:welcome:BB
When you said "This made me wonder if he meant he was finding it nigh on impossible to carry out that instruction on a much lower budget than SOD had"
I assumed you were wondering if Wellens had got frustrated that he didn't have the funds necessary to do the job.
My apologies if I misunderstood you.
Whatever you did or didn't mean, it's a hell of a stretch from reading that article to coming to that conclusion.
Wellens never got over his red mist at Bogle not doing what he wanted him to do (leave the club) and as a result insisted on playing a string of strikers who were even shitter than Bogle.
Schofield has had the bad luck to inherit a cack squad (including overhangs of some of the money Wellens wasted) but he's certainly doing a fine job of making it play worse than the sum of its parts.
I've yet to see any evidence that the funds we've spent on players over the past 2.5 years should have resulted in some of the worst football I've ever seen from a Rover team.
I doubt we picked up Rowe, Knoyle, Close, Miller, Molyneux etc with the offer of paying them in brass washers. And we've already offered lengthy extensions to several of this squad.
Sorry BB i agree with BST on this one.
Campsall, I stand by everything I said and think you are wrong regarding the common denominator also.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/richie-wellens-in-hindsight-i-shouldnt-have-taken-the-doncaster-rovers-job-3605215
"For the first seven league games I never had a fit centre forward..."
That was enough for me.
Failed manager blaming everyone but himself. Some folk just lap it up.
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It was enough for you the moment he got the job. You were miffed as to why he was appointed against the wishes of someone with such immense authority on everything as yourself.
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I'm going to try to give a bit of perspective here. It's never good to be in situations where yet another manager/head coach finds himself receiving the wrath of the fans and I'm not going to say he definitely needs to go or not but I hope the HoF and the board can weigh thar up for themselves on merit.
Now, yes, recent performances have been poor but it wasn't too long ago this 'novice' manager had us within a couple of points of Bradford with their more experienced high profile manager. Yes, there were plenty of room for improvement but already the jury was already out on him. Now, given we've lost three more of our 'better' players, I'm not sure what he can do to convince fans in what's left of the season, other than damage limitation and give some of our younger players more game time. (They deserve our support at least)
Any manager struggles when you don't have your better players at your disposal. Going back in time to Wellens and that article. When the board say it's a season to consolidate on the back of covid, then it's not rocket science to understand the budget wasn't up to normal standards. However, a fair portion of the budget was tied up with players on the long term injured list, although Wellens didn't know they would be out for as long. Nobody did. After a reasonable start to his recruitment, we just couldn't replace those missing players with the same 'quality' so he was hampered. He didn't help himself with the Bogle and Williams situation though. Of course, it's going to be a stuggle and fans took to social media and a few tried to dig dirt on him to hound him out.McSheffrey inherited the same injury list and also struggled and gradually felt the weight of pressure and wrath of the fans.
In both cases, it's hardly surprising the rest of the players suffered too with confidence being shot.
It's happened under Fergie when wheels fell off, it happened to Moore before he jumped ship (although he didn't cope as well with some big decisions) and got pelters from the fans.
We are very quick to write both managers and players off when perhaps they should have got a bit more support as maybe time has shown they're not as bad as folk tried to lead us to believe at the time.
Yes, many will say the budget wasn't or isn't good enough but, how do we square that off with clubs who are probably on a similar level financially??
I've heard John Colemans name mentioned a couple of times. Who can't admire what he's achieved. Accrington utilise the loan market to the maximum, probably because they have to but he has managed to get some good tunes out of them and exceed expectations. What chance would he have here if he followed the same methodology 'developing other clubs players' for example?
Are we too quick to condemn our managers without a fair trial?
OK, Baz, I get it. This disgusting sh*tshow that's masquerading as a football club isn't the fault of the board, HOF, manager, or players; it's the fault of the fans.
Well if that's the case, believe me, it won't be the case much longer, because there'll be no fans left to blame.
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yes 100%
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I'm going to try to give a bit of perspective here. It's never good to be in situations where yet another manager/head coach finds himself receiving the wrath of the fans and I'm not going to say he definitely needs to go or not but I hope the HoF and the board can weigh thar up for themselves on merit.
Now, yes, recent performances have been poor but it wasn't too long ago this 'novice' manager had us within a couple of points of Bradford with their more experienced high profile manager. Yes, there were plenty of room for improvement but already the jury was already out on him. Now, given we've lost three more of our 'better' players, I'm not sure what he can do to convince fans in what's left of the season, other than damage limitation and give some of our younger players more game time. (They deserve our support at least)
Any manager struggles when you don't have your better players at your disposal. Going back in time to Wellens and that article. When the board say it's a season to consolidate on the back of covid, then it's not rocket science to understand the budget wasn't up to normal standards. However, a fair portion of the budget was tied up with players on the long term injured list, although Wellens didn't know they would be out for as long. Nobody did. After a reasonable start to his recruitment, we just couldn't replace those missing players with the same 'quality' so he was hampered. He didn't help himself with the Bogle and Williams situation though. Of course, it's going to be a stuggle and fans took to social media and a few tried to dig dirt on him to hound him out.McSheffrey inherited the same injury list and also struggled and gradually felt the weight of pressure and wrath of the fans.
In both cases, it's hardly surprising the rest of the players suffered too with confidence being shot.
It's happened under Fergie when wheels fell off, it happened to Moore before he jumped ship (although he didn't cope as well with some big decisions) and got pelters from the fans.
We are very quick to write both managers and players off when perhaps they should have got a bit more support as maybe time has shown they're not as bad as folk tried to lead us to believe at the time.
Yes, many will say the budget wasn't or isn't good enough but, how do we square that off with clubs who are probably on a similar level financially??
I've heard John Colemans name mentioned a couple of times. Who can't admire what he's achieved. Accrington utilise the loan market to the maximum, probably because they have to but he has managed to get some good tunes out of them and exceed expectations. What chance would he have here if he followed the same methodology 'developing other clubs players' for example?
Are we too quick to condemn our managers without a fair trial?
OK, Baz, I get it. This disgusting sh*tshow that's masquerading as a football club isn't the fault of the board, HOF, manager, or players; it's the fault of the fans.
Well if that's the case, believe me, it won't be the case much longer, because there'll be no fans left to blame.
I didn't say the fans were to blame. I asked a question given how successive managers have been treated (with the exception of McCann maybe).
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It's been about a week since I last did this, but seems about the right time - nothing symbolises the abject and risible amateurishness over recent seasons under multiple managers, then the quest to try and replace Marquis. And not replace his goals given how rare you get goals like that, but rather more prosaically just a focal point of a vaguely capable and reliable striker who could lead a line. The type of solid lad we see pretty much every club field against us, week in and week out. What did we see? - Bogle, Agard, Rakish, Mipo, Kwame, Sterling, Tulloch, Cukur, Dodoo, Hiwula, Andrews, the list is a sorry, sorry sight. How could we not have landed on one capable player out of the lot of them? Then when you throw in the humiliation of Aiden O'Brien and Will Grigg. It's slapstick.
Add Griffiths to that very, very long list...
And actually (people won't really like it) Alfie May when he played for us, it's since he left us he improved.
John Marquis: 134 league games / 61 goals @ 0.46 goals per game
Those who have "suceeded" him as recognised strikers (league games only):
Kieran Sadlier: 33 / 11 (19/20 season)
George Miller: 34 / 11
Tyreece John-Jules: 18 / 5
Joe Dodoo: 33 / 4
Kwame Thomas: 10 / 3
Omar Bogle: 27 / 3
Kieran Agard: 30 / 3
Mipo Odubeko: 16 / 2
Reo Griffiths: 20 / 2
Rakish Bingham: 8 / 1
Caolan Lavery: 11 / 1
Alfie May 15 / 1 (19/20 season)
Jordy Hiwula: 20 / 1
Tiago Cukur: 21 / 1
Rayhaan Tulloch: 2 / 0
Kazaiah Sterling: 3 / 0
Josh Andrews: 4 / 0
Max Woltman: 13 / 0
Total: 318 / 48 @ 0.15 goals per game
May was an excelent foil for Marquis. We miss both terribly
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Nothing has changed for me, still want him sacked tonight preferably
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This poll should be renewed after every game
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I've had a season ticket for 23 years, this current 'football' is pretty much the worst I've had to watch. He's got to go.
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Nothing has changed for me, still want him sacked tonight preferably
Me too, got to go now. So that the new manager as time to see what he’s inherited
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Yes yes yes
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His process doesn't work in this league. He's even said he won't change. Why are we waiting.
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If he said he won’t change then it’s time to go. How can you look at us and think more of the same will sort us out!
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There’s just no logic here. He’s clearly a technical coach who needs technical players to at least be able to implement his style of play.
How on earth are we ever going to get for an example, a goalkeeper who can actually play out from the back?
And…the football is boring!
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If he said he won’t change then it’s time to go. How can you look at us and think more of the same will sort us out!
just imagine being that stupid. He’ll look back in years to come when he’s picking up his unemployment benefits and think what the hell was I doing!!?
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Five defeats out of the last eight games. In League 2.
Injuries or not that sort of run puts you under pressure.
I hope that DS isn’t treading water until the end of the season in the hope that some grand recruitment plan will magically sort matters and everything will come good.
Incredibly naive and unprofessional if he is.
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He's got to go. He isn't going to be backed anyway with the players he needs for this system and style.
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He's got to go. He isn't going to be backed anyway with the players he needs for this system and style.
Ge WILL be here next season that’s a shoe in . If he goes Copps has to go as he has played his part in all of this fiasco !
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Stupid question... but is it he 'cant' change the system because it was the club vision that he got hired to deliver?
Personally if the club wish to cut their cloth accordingly then fair enough! But please be realistic. The style of play desired requires a certain type of player - and they aren't cheap.
A pragmatic realistic approach is needed and if the human coaching manual can't deliver it, then thanks but goodbye
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There’s just no logic here. He’s clearly a technical coach who needs technical players to at least be able to implement his style of play.
How on earth are we ever going to get for an example, a goalkeeper who can actually play out from the back?
And…the football is boring!
And why did he give the green light to an Anderson new contract if he isn’t going to change?
Anderson is good defender but can’t play this.
Nothing makes any sense.
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The Die is cast for next season , with 51 points ( I do not understand where they came from ) we are possibly safe form the trap door . Schofield will be here next term and his inadequate style of playing will be on show again . I’m sure this will satisfy only the board and it arse kissers like SM’s of this club . But unless the supporters strategically change, it’s going to be another long season of disgruntlement . I for one will not make it simple and purchase my ST the normal way but use the 10 months instalments offered and make them sweat each and every payment until their wallets creak !!
It’s a good job we had a good start to the season and got those early points.
We would be under pressure to avoid the drop otherwise.
Awful again today.
We came out of the blocks for three or four minutes after the break and as soon as it went to 2-0 we reverted back to the shit show.
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Giving DS the summer means recruitment on 2 year deals which sets the frame for the next 2 seasons.
So what is the evidence DS has the recruitment and tactical flexibility to handle this?
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Get him gone now!!!!
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The clamour for him to go reached the point of no return in the last game and with his “we can be proud of a point at Crawley” comments. We can’t keep going on like this after every game.
At a certain point things reach a critical mass and you have to go with the flow.
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The clamour for him to go reached the point of no return in the last game and with his “we can be proud of a point at Crawley” comments. We can’t keep going on like this after every game.
At a certain point things reach a critical mass and you have to go with the flow.
Agreed, it will take something remarkable to get fans onside now, the point of no return has been reached with me
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The clamour for him to go reached the point of no return in the last game and with his “we can be proud of a point at Crawley” comments. We can’t keep going on like this after every game.
At a certain point things reach a critical mass and you have to go with the flow.
Agreed, it will take something remarkable to get fans onside now, the point of no return has been reached with me
Yep. Don’t care if we have a replacement in mind just get him gone and let Frank Sinclair take the rest of the games.
Copps should have been looking at plan B’s for a while or else he is negligent.
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The clamour for him to go reached the point of no return in the last game and with his “we can be proud of a point at Crawley” comments. We can’t keep going on like this after every game.
At a certain point things reach a critical mass and you have to go with the flow.
Agreed, it will take something remarkable to get fans onside now, the point of no return has been reached with me
And me.
If the man had one ounce of self respect he would have resigned this evening.
He won’t of course because of the financial implications but the man actually thinks he is working on his process and it will all come good eventually.
The man is completely deluded and is living in some fantasy world.
The fact is the players have stopped believing in him. Their confidence is shot.
He has to go NOW.
Copps how many supporters do you need to to say he has to go before you have the balls to actuall y admit you got it wrong and agree his time is up.
Just do it please. He said he won’t change that’s taking stupidity to a new level isn’t it.
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He could end up leaving before or at the end of the season, but it feels less likely. Everyone has accepted that the play offs have gone already, so the reputation hit has already happened a few weeks ago in reality. The football is horrific but given we are not going down, there is little in it for the board to dispense with him now. It could be there is a handshake at the end of the season and he leaves then, but I suspect it is marginally more likely that he ends up staying and is managing next season.
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The clamour for him to go reached the point of no return in the last game and with his “we can be proud of a point at Crawley” comments. We can’t keep going on like this after every game.
At a certain point things reach a critical mass and you have to go with the flow.
Agreed, it will take something remarkable to get fans onside now, the point of no return has been reached with me
agreed. problem is, i have a feeling its going to go way, way beyond the point of no return. im unsure where this will end up. Here is a reasoned outlook:
Rovers finish this season on a whimper, there is little over the last few seasons we have experienced to believe there will be a sufficiently dramatic change to get us into a positive place pre season.
10 games into next season and the rot has continued. Rovers are struggling in the bottom half. DS continues with his "process" with little or no change to performances or results. His sharp intakes of breath in between sentences become longer and deeper. The summer window has been underwhelming (again). The club remains sustainable. The fanbase is in turmoil. Lower gates, and those that turn up boo the manager and players every game. Copps has turned from legend to pariah. Protests become prevalent. Joseph Olowu and other players continue to win awards for being pink and fluffy.
Sounds fantastical? We shall see.
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He could end up leaving before or at the end of the season, but it feels less likely. Everyone has accepted that the play offs have gone already, so the reputation hit has already happened a few weeks ago in reality. The football is horrific but given we are not going down, there is little in it for the board to dispense with him now. It could be there is a handshake at the end of the season and he leaves then, but I suspect it is marginally more likely that he ends up staying and is managing next season.
If it’s the last sentence then that’s going to be disastrous for our Football Club. Make no mistake.
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It might depend who is available. Copps wanted DS in the summer but he wasn’t available so McSheffrey got it. But maybe Copps isn’t even looking right now.
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Surely ticket sales talk at some point! No good getting half way through the summer to find out sales are way down.
Let’s say this I, and probably a few more, will hold off committing to next season until I can trust there’s a reasonable chance of entertainment. With a new manager there’d be something to look forward to and less scepticism
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Four people at the match today told me that they won’t be renewing next season.
Doesn’t sound a lot does it.
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Like many others I gave up going this season about 5 games ago when it was crystal clear our performances were heading backwards rapidly.
When DS first came I did see glimpses of a style that may work as the players became used to it. I liked how occasionally our central defenders broke forward into space and opened the play up.
But it's gone horribly wrong.
It's like the opposition has worked us out and the players are not good enough to do what DS wants with any semblance of positive play. And he keeps persisting.
It's dire.
I know people point the finger at the defence and goalkeeper but our midfield is lightweight, ponderous, scared, and ultimately ineffective in all areas of the pitch.
A good team needs a good midfield.
Another disillusioned fan here.
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Anyone else see the Northants manager going ballistic telling them to just mark the wide players when we tried to play it out from the back?
DS bidn't take his hands out of his pockets all game unless it was to scratch his beard
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Anyone else see the Northants manager going ballistic telling them to just mark the wide players when we tried to play it out from the back?
DS bidn't take his hands out of his pockets all game unless it was to scratch his beard
He is so tactically out of his depth it is scary.
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It’s fine when your coaching u23s. You just set up like the 1st team and follow their lead. Results matter less than following that structure of play.
It looks like DS can’t make the step up from this
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I know a few Hudds fans and they declared him as a PE teacher.
Next, please.
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Despite everything on here, we all know he will still be here at Christmas next season. We might pull the plug then though when the inevitable occurs, get the next incompetent rookie in, sign a load of northern premier standard players and start the cycle again.
That’s just how we are run
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It might depend who is available. Copps wanted DS in the summer but he wasn’t available so McSheffrey got it. But maybe Copps isn’t even looking right now.
After his comments the other day I very much doubt he is.
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Wasn’t Artell the ex-Crewe manager on the shortlist before? He is still available.
Someone with recent promotion experience from L2, passionate and not afraid to tell the players what they need to hear. Schofield in his interview said he doesn’t want to “give the players anxiety” give me strength. If the players can’t deal with pressure they aren’t mentally strong enough.
Tranmere also looking for a new manager, if we can move quickly we are no less an attractive club than them.
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Wasn’t Artell the ex-Crewe manager on the shortlist before? He is still available.
Someone with recent promotion experience from L2, passionate and not afraid to tell the players what they need to hear. Schofield in his interview said he doesn’t want to “give the players anxiety” give me strength. If the players can’t deal with pressure they aren’t mentally strong enough.
Tranmere also looking for a new manager, if we can move quickly we are no less an attractive club than them.
At one point in the first half Anderson tried passing the ball out to Brown but it hit Olowu on the back and went out for a Northampton throw in.
DS just stood there and clapped (about the only thing he did).
These lot need a bollocking there is no way this guy is capable.
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I know a few Hudds fans and they declared him as a PE teacher.
Next, please.
Thinking about it, thats quite a good description.
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Last 2 managers have been PE teachers. I was hopeful with DS he had pedigree to be better. McSheffery didn’t know any better and was limited but DS is choosing to be awful imo
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He could end up leaving before or at the end of the season, but it feels less likely. Everyone has accepted that the play offs have gone already, so the reputation hit has already happened a few weeks ago in reality. The football is horrific but given we are not going down, there is little in it for the board to dispense with him now. It could be there is a handshake at the end of the season and he leaves then, but I suspect it is marginally more likely that he ends up staying and is managing next season.
If a handshake at the end of the season is the intention then it is reckless to keep him for the remaining games. This is the chance for the replacement to get a good look at what he has to work with and make his decisions for the closed season.
If he doesn't go now he'll be taking us into next season, and that is a dreadful prospect.
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It’s looks a tight call but for a host of reasons, not least we don’t want a reputation as a sacking club or a crisis club, it’s probably 51/49 at present that he stays for the start of the season. You’ve seen the defence the club has put up in the media the last week or so, and he and they will argue that he needs a summer window to get in lads to play to his system. It’s diabolical watching at present mind but I can’t seem them sacking him this summer.
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It’s fine when your coaching u23s. You just set up like the 1st team and follow their lead. Results matter less than following that structure of play.
It looks like DS can’t make the step up from this
Exactly this.
He is now leader of a first team that must get results, and any decent manager would realise that and adapt the style of play to try and achieve that, at least until he has the players that can play his way in a 1st team scenario. DS just stubbornly sticks with his preferred style acting like we are playing in the Intermediates league and he is coaching players to move into a 1st team environment.
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Every match is now seen as a pre-season friendly. We're playing a rigid 3-4-3 (or however you want to describe it) and he's seeing who might eventually adapt to that system and who he'll get rid of before August. Some players we will be stuck with whether or not they can play that way. If we lose every remaining game and the stadium is empty it doesn't matter.
If all that meant we look like getting promoted one year from now I would stomach it. From how things look today that seems unlikely.
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He said in his post match interview, he will stick to what he’s doing. In yesterdays game Brown being injured forced his hand into going with a back four, we looked better straight away, got more bodies forward and came out second half flying, then we shoot ourselves in the foot and gift them their second goal, all momentum lost through our act of self harm. So then DS reverts back to his original formation with his next change, ensuring our striker is left isolated again and making sure we don’t threaten to make some sort of a comeback, he has to go and go soon!
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As if things could be any worse we now also have the added complication of a team ravaged by injury. If we and everyone else who has seen us thought the system was too inflexible and beyond the players we originally had playing it then just what sort of performances can we now expect that he now has to rely on juniors and players who couldn't get a contract anywhere else, is this not just madness in the extreme.
Similar to Brexit, when the facts change you need to change your stance, is this guy able to do so? . Ive never heard of a manager who stood by his "principles" until the ultimate was achieved and the team got relegated, even the top managers have to compromise their principles and deal with the job in hand.
We all know that come what may there will be no cavalry charging over the horizon in the summer to bail out this failed experiment, the club will just not countenance laying out the required sums to fetch in the type of players this coach needs to implement his "vision" so in effect we can look forward to more of this horrendous football, played with inferior players in front of smaller and dwindling crowds.
The cycle will be complete, i'm now checking out the routes to places like Dorking, Wealdstone, Bromley and Solihull because for sure this is our destiny.
The change needs to happen sooner rather than later to give the prospective new incumbent the chance to sort out this Shi*show.
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It's old ground I know, but what exactly are his principles and have we ever seen what these convert to on the pitch?
Why don't the interviewers ask him to point to evidence of his "style" working in actual games. When he responds to difficult questions by alluding to motivating generalities, they should ask if he could help them understand how this manifests itself in games by giving examples of appropriate execution. But then, would he understand the question?
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It's old ground I know, but what exactly are his principles and have we ever seen what these convert to on the pitch?
Why don't the interviewers ask him to point to evidence of his "style" working in actual games. When he responds to difficult questions by alluding to motivating generalities, they should ask if he could help them understand how this manifests itself in games by giving examples of appropriate execution. But then, would he understand the question?
I don’t think anyone else has mentioned this but he said in his radio Sheffield interview that “playing out from the back” included long balls when pushed brilliantly by the interviewer.
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Playing out from the back and lumping long balls forward are total opposites surely ?
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What Schofield actually said was a 'long pass' is still playing out from the back. That must mean the ball is played to an individual rather than just lumping it over the halfway line. Unless from a corner when the opposition have most of their players in our penalty box it seems a pretty slim chance the target player would be able to receive the ball unchallenged.
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It's probably been put on here already but in the form table for last 25 games with Schofield in charge of 24 of them we are 19th. That is minging.
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We are too easy to play against, very predictable. To play that way you need players that are superior to the opposition in passing a ball. Our players are mostly of the same standard, no better, no worse.
To play that way you need to win the ball back, we aren’t good at that. You need pace up front, we haven’t got that. You need solid defenders to play in a three, there are possibilities but we haven’t been able to form a three that consistently keeps clean sheets.
You need an imposing goalkeeper, he’s a decent goalkeeper but not imposing. We are struggling to have one of the elements to play his way. So you adapt and vary your play. Make yourself unpredictable and hard to play against.
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Its his style/tactics whats the problem
Even with better players, asking lower league defenders to play out from the back is suicide.
Tell me one chance we have created with this tactic?
I posted this only 9 days ago. Doesnt make me a genuis we can all see it. Since then we have conceded 2 goals playing out from the back.
GET HIM OUT NOW!!!!!
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If he was sacked we would still have of people with more than 50 league appearances we'd only have one center back, no full back, three midfielders, one striker and a winger.
I doubt it'd be much better if someone else was here.
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We cannot recruit based on this man’s system. It would simply be throwing money down the drain.
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the 25% who dont want him sacked (yet) may be wavering now.
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Every match is now seen as a pre-season friendly. We're playing a rigid 3-4-3 (or however you want to describe it) and he's seeing who might eventually adapt to that system and who he'll get rid of before August. Some players we will be stuck with whether or not they can play that way. If we lose every remaining game and the stadium is empty it doesn't matter.
If all that meant we look like getting promoted one year from now I would stomach it. From how things look today that seems unlikely.
we will deffo be leaving league two at the end of next season, I can assure you of that!!
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away at york isnt too bad. is it?
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If he was sacked we would still have of people with more than 50 league appearances we'd only have one center back, no full back, three midfielders, one striker and a winger.
I doubt it'd be much better if someone else was here.
What?!!!
It can hardly get any worse!
Eg a manager who plays players in their natural position would be a start and would no doubt produce better performances. Playing without a striker and having 2 on the bench is disgraceful. Is this manager trying for 3 points???
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I wonder if the players at half time were all nodding approval at the manager and his "process" all agreeing that it was just bad luck that it wasnt working out.
Or did they stop playing for him some time ago? Football is not a long term game. DS may get given time by the board to make this work, which would be a massive gamble on their behalf, but the fans have already turned. Its way too late of course for any turnaround this season. And the signs are very very bad for next season.
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I wonder if the players at half time were all nodding approval at the manager and his "process" all agreeing that it was just bad luck that it wasnt working out.
Or did they stop playing for him some time ago? Football is not a long term game. DS may get given time by the board to make this work, which would be a massive gamble on their behalf, but the fans have already turned. Its way too late of course for any turnaround this season. And the signs are very very bad for next season.
It wouldn’t be a gamble it would be football suicide.
For Pity’s sake get rid of him now.
The players are not playing for him they have totally lost any belief in what he is telling them.
That first 78 mins and last 10 mins was a disgrace. Yes we were almost a football team for 7 minutes
Goodman should have started that’s obvious but no he played 2 wide players + Hurst + 2 supposedly wing np backs.
How many crosses did we get in during 1st 78 mins. It is a total joke.
We made Crew look like a top 3/4 team and they are bottom of the form table over last 15 games bar Rochdale.
Won 2 away all season. My God what is this idiot doing with them at Cantley Park .
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a crowd of 5993. were there 2000 from crewe?
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a crowd of 5993. were there 2000 from crewe?
Wait til next season when they cant count the non attending season ticket holders!
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a crowd of 5993. were there 2000 from crewe?
Official figure mate.
Probably about 4500 in the ground.
Grimsby will more than likely have more in the away end on Easter Monday than there will be in the other three sides.
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I wonder if the players at half time were all nodding approval at the manager and his "process" all agreeing that it was just bad luck that it wasnt working out.
Or did they stop playing for him some time ago? Football is not a long term game. DS may get given time by the board to make this work, which would be a massive gamble on their behalf, but the fans have already turned. Its way too late of course for any turnaround this season. And the signs are very very bad for next season.
It wouldn’t be a gamble it would be football suicide.
For Pity’s sake get rid of him now.
The players are not playing for him they have totally lost any belief in what he is telling them.
That first 78 mins and last 10 mins was a disgrace. Yes we were almost a football team for 7 minutes
Goodman should have started that’s obvious but no he played 2 wide players + Hurst + 2 supposedly wing np backs.
How many crosses did we get in during 1st 78 mins. It is a total joke.
We made Crew look like a top 3/4 team and they are bottom of the form table over last 15 games bar Rochdale.
Won 2 away all season. My God what is this idiot doing with them at Cantley Park .
I was watching soccer Saturday this aft and Jeff went to Alan Macinally who was watching relegation threatened Huddersfield doing a number of 3rd placed Middlesbrough, he was asked what’s the difference, and he said the Warnock must have told them to get bodies and crosses into the box and to get shots off on target.
Football really isn’t complicated is it?!
f**k knows why our buffoon insists on making it so. I honestly think he is very very thick!
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i wonder if someone from the SB could ask for the actual figures of people at games in recent weeks. they will know how many are actually turning up as turnstiles clock amount of times people enter?
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What i don't get is 54 people want him to stay?
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You can make the argument injuries etc have made his job harder but we’re we really much better with pretty much our best 11 out.
The biggest flaw worth him for me seems to be his stubbornness and naivety to stick with the same 5 at the back regardless of the opposition or injuries in the squad. It’s almost as if he wants to push this square peg into the round hole until it goes but the reality is it’s not working we don’t create enough and he needs to adapt. Again this probably isn’t helped by the fact his number 2 was promoted from the u18 manager already at the club and has zero first team backroom staff experience. Who does he look to for advice? Copps? The whole thing is a mess rooted from the fact of underinvestment over a number of years and poor decisions from the top down
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a crowd of 5993. were there 2000 from crewe?
Official figure mate.
Probably about 4500 in the ground.
Grimsby will more than likely have more in the away end on Easter Monday than there will be in the other three sides.
yep, im aware they count sold STH too.
id like to know the actual figure. im guessing the club knows by turnstile clicks. ?
that would no doubt paint a picture.
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You can see that the players are scared of making a mistake, which of course makes them make mistakes.
Misplaced passes galore and then they try too hard to be precise which either telegraphs to the opposition where they are trying to pass the ball and it gets cut out or the pass is over hit to try to make sure it gets through.
You also get the feeling that Mitchell and Anderson aren’t happy with the short goal kick routine but they have to continue with it.
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Can I change my vote to yes please?
Now is the right time for a managerial change, given the length of time it takes the club to appoint a new one. 6 weekish to the end of the season, start the process now to have a new manager in by the end of the season and give him time to clear out the chaff and get new players, they want, in before preseason starts.
We cannot afford once again to keep the manager only to change them in October time when things aren’t going well, leaving the incumbent with players he doesn’t want.
COYR
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You can see that the players are scared of making a mistake, which of course makes them make mistakes.
Misplaced passes galore and then they try too hard to be precise which either telegraphs to the opposition where they are trying to pass the ball and it gets cut out or the pass is over hit to try to make sure it gets through.
You also get the feeling that Mitchell and Anderson aren’t happy with the short goal kick routine but they have to continue with it.
Listening to Maxwell on commentary, he consistently placed the blame for conceding goals today and historically on the players, obviously including himself, for failing to execute the coach’s system. It is inculcated that all the goals conceded are the result of individual player errors and not the result of how they had been coached. He also said that it took a long time to learn Schofield’s system which made it difficult for the players coming in for those who were injured.
It may not have occurred to them that if they find difficulty in working and assimilating the “process”, it may be because it is impracticable.
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if schofield is still here come season end. next season will be terminal.
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I'm seriously starting to wonder whether DS has been instructed not to incur any win, draw, goal or clean sheet bonuses for the rest of the season.
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a few hrs ago the "no" to sacked was at 54. its now at 55. incredible to think someone else has considered he should stay after recent weeks. and after today.
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How’s this even still a question? It’s abundantly clear the current lot aren’t playing for him (they didn’t play for wellens or mcsheffrey either so they can’t be trusted at all). Having said that, this is the worst overall display we’ve seen since the conference first season
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a crowd of 5993. were there 2000 from crewe?
Wait til next season when they cant count the non attending season ticket holders!
Is this a new rule implemented by the EFL
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Copps and Schofield, both need to go.
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Dickos you have gone very quiet since yesterdays match.
Serious questions.
Do you still think DS should be allowed to carry on as head coach.
Do you trust him to recruit well alongside Copps this summer.
Do you think he will build a team capable of getting promoted next season.
???
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The biggest shock for me yesterday was not that we stuck to the process but just how off the scale weak our front 5 were both in attacking threat and defensive shield- I found myself yearning for Tomlin and Clayton despite their drawbacks. I do have sympathy with the views that we set ourselves up this way because it genuinely gives us the best chance of getting something, and that no manager could do much better with these players. I do think two strong midfielders would transform the team and galvanise players like Hurst who atm is so shot he is hiding from the ball. I think if you take this view you would be inclined to give DS another chance ( if he wants it).If you think the team is massively underachieving because of the manager then DS has to go. We will only get a more proven manager though if the board can demonstrate they understand the issues and have a plan and funds to address. Otherwise it is rinse and repeat and we will continue to gamble with our future.
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If he is insistent on playing three centre backs, then we need 1 or maybe 2 senior centre backs next season, depending on whether he is willing to play Faulkner and Long when needed alongside Anderson and Olowu. Potentially one of these could be Younger if he can recover and gets a deal.
In midfield we need 2 senior central midfielders who have graft and energy.
We then need someone central upfront who can play as focal point of attack.
If Taylor comes back and potentially if Kuleya can be in squad we likely need then just one wider player, to add to Hurst and Molyneux.
A full time right back is obviously on the list.
Plenty will think we need a new senior keeper also.
That’s a total of 8 new senior players this summer.
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How’s this even still a question? It’s abundantly clear the current lot aren’t playing for him (they didn’t play for wellens or mcsheffrey either so they can’t be trusted at all). Having said that, this is the worst overall display we’ve seen since the conference first season
I watched a player running alongside an opponents with absolutely no attempt to challenge him for the ball. It's time.
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You can see that the players are scared of making a mistake, which of course makes them make mistakes.
Misplaced passes galore and then they try too hard to be precise which either telegraphs to the opposition where they are trying to pass the ball and it gets cut out or the pass is over hit to try to make sure it gets through.
You also get the feeling that Mitchell and Anderson aren’t happy with the short goal kick routine but they have to continue with it.
Listening to Maxwell on commentary, he consistently placed the blame for conceding goals today and historically on the players, obviously including himself, for failing to execute the coach’s system. It is inculcated that all the goals conceded are the result of individual player errors and not the result of how they had been coached. He also said that it took a long time to learn Schofield’s system which made it difficult for the players coming in for those who were injured.
It may not have occurred to them that if they find difficulty in working and assimilating the “process”, it may be because it is impracticable.
I can see the logic in that, a very high percentage of the goals we have conceded have been due to individual errors BUT if the system, style and tactics we are playing are increasing the probability of an individual error, what's the answer?
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I’ll create a fresh poll to see where we are at the present compared with this poll
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You can see that the players are scared of making a mistake, which of course makes them make mistakes.
Misplaced passes galore and then they try too hard to be precise which either telegraphs to the opposition where they are trying to pass the ball and it gets cut out or the pass is over hit to try to make sure it gets through.
You also get the feeling that Mitchell and Anderson aren’t happy with the short goal kick routine but they have to continue with it.
Listening to Maxwell on commentary, he consistently placed the blame for conceding goals today and historically on the players, obviously including himself, for failing to execute the coach’s system. It is inculcated that all the goals conceded are the result of individual player errors and not the result of how they had been coached. He also said that it took a long time to learn Schofield’s system which made it difficult for the players coming in for those who were injured.
It may not have occurred to them that if they find difficulty in working and assimilating the “process”, it may be because it is impracticable.
I can see the logic in that, a very high percentage of the goals we have conceded have been due to individual errors BUT if the system, style and tactics we are playing are increasing the probability of an individual error, what's the answer?
I think there is always someone in the team who may be more responsible than the rest for every goal, but surely this happens whenever any team concedes. What Schofield has managed to do is effectively make individuals feel it is just because of their mistake. The logic is that his process is trusted above all else, so properly executed it cannot fail. The players are brainwashed into believing it, therefore if a goal is conceded a player had failed to function properly within the process! Nonsense of course, but the players are too close to be able to get a proper perspective.
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Who did Schofield grow up supporting if he’s a Donny lad?