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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: steve@dcfd on March 23, 2023, 05:32:32 pm
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It appears he’s happy with the situation and can’t see DS going anywhere
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/coppinger-reacts-to-rovers-trio-penning-new-deals/
It’s there with interview on you tube
They all appear to be burying their heads
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It's like a cult. Even Olowu was at it today in press. "Just got to keep believing the process"
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With what we are working with collectively resources as a club it's demanding.
That says a lot.
Copps spoke very highly of the Crawley performance too!
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“Copps spoke very highly of the Crawley performance too!”
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Then he’s not the right man for the job either im afraid.
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Easy to think "What bloody game was he watching!?"
Once again, I really dislike the leading questioning from Robbie, putting the desired answer in the question!!
It's PR though and I'm all for trying to make something positive out of a poor situation BUT, is that what he really thinks and believes?
No doubt it is very demanding with the resources but it never has been easy with whatever cloth we have had plus other clubs seem to manage better.
This season is a write off unless we take can find some resolve to continue to support the remaining players, particularly the younger ones and hope they can perform well under difficult circumstances.
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Wow that is something else. Tough listen. Got my piss right boiling. That’s pure propaganda straight out of Putins play book. All questions laid on a plate by the interviewer to answer the valid grumbles of fans. Answered with alarming lack of awareness. Don’t know how he kept a straight face.
Looks like an empty stadium next season then.
Oh and Copps, stick yer GPS data up yer bum.
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He or anyone else are not going to say anything other than bull shit, not with the money they are on.
It’s like anyone working, you don’t go against your employer
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Content that comes from the club's official media is sugarcoated up to the eyeballs.
Easy to consume when the team is half decent. Does your head in when it's shite.
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If that's the thought of a decent performance, then we are in big trouble.
Our club is in big trouble here, we have to do something about it, it is passed a joke now.
Everyone can see it apart from those in charge.
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I have been a bit negative of late, a couple of things spring to mind , Copps saying what he said, the players sticking by Schofield and re signing
Maybe just maybe they have a tranch of decent plates lined up to sign in the summers if that happens we will stick with Shofield until December
And get rid of things don’t improve.
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Schofield’s here until Xmas that’s clear. He’s Copps’s pick. It’s a process. Blah blah. The price of that is us looking clueless for a very long time.
OK if it comes off that’ll be great.
At the moment we look as poor as we’ve looked since before Mr C signed up a generation ago.
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Unbelievable.
When I cast my mind back to seeing him make his debut, and all the great games / performances he put in since - to come out with this and endorse the lack of fight / commitment / entertainment is shocking.
To say they got one of the best squads in the league ??
There is only one measure - the Table - nothing else matters at this level,
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Schofield said we were missing creative players on Tuesday.
Hurst, Molyneux, Close we’re all playing. The wing backs are supposed to be creative aren’t they.
Brown & Seaman never got over the half way line on Tuesday.
So only one missing was Biggins who you would call creative unless you count Lakin.
That’s was his excuse for low attacking stats.
What’s his excuse for all the other games then when they played.
The man’s a joke.
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“Copps spoke very highly of the Crawley performance too!”
Then he’s not the right man for the job either im afraid.
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Give me strength. Copps need to show some balls and say it as it really is.
He can’t seriously be happy with that as a performance.
Do they not realise they are alienating the entire support base with all this dross on the field and drivel being spoken off it.
They will next season when gates will be down to under 4.000
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The whole lot of em can kiss each others ar$€$ all they want but, if they played in an empty stadium some action would have to be taken. I would like to see everybody now boycott this garbage because no supporter for any club should be put through this. I for one simply refuse to pay to watch it, I have far better things to do with my time.
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full of s**t good player but thats it full stop
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We are not what we thought we were anymore . The days of looking to building towards a specific aim with the recruitment of quality players and a promotion challenging team are long gone . The supporters who travel still up and down the motorway , in more in hope than belief and in great numbers are being sold a nightmare !!!!!
This board have settled for a mediocre manager who’s signings wouldn’t get in most pub teams and who’s over seeing performances are now seen as drab,dire, pitiful and boring and leave everyone wondering how we’ve ended up back where we started , before the successful years under John Ryan .
I can’t see how we get out of the slide , without pressing a reset button !!
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Jobs for the boys.
Fair enough be professional don’t dog anyone out in public but don’t lie to our faces. If Copps is talking like DS then he’s not the man for the job. We don’t need a echo chamber where everyone gives each other jobs and talks about how it’ll all be fine if they keep going with the “process”
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Well my heart has just sank further when I hear one of our all time greats speaking bo-- ocks, he's not admitting he was wrong anytime soon. As for offering contracts to 2 or 3 more of this squad, words fail me. Dark days indeed.
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Wonder who tells these people how they are doing at their job? You’d think they wouldn’t need it. A quick look at the table or some basic stats would tell them. But it feels like they genuinely think it’s fine.
Recommend they read this forum every now and again to ground themselves in some truth. Yes fans can be OTT but when the vast majority is of a similar opinion it’s because they are right. Fans aren’t stupid and certainly aren’t as daft as DS appears to be.
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When Copps was appointed DOF there were a small handful of us who dared to view it with cynicism. We were shouted down and told it was shameful to even think that a club legend like him would contemplate taking the money and towing the line.
I said it then and I'll repeat it again. He was appointed exactly with this situation in mind. To lend credibility to a board running desperately short of ideas and pursuing the cheap option once more. The hope of course was that when the shit inevitably hits the fan (as it will continue to do whilst these jokers remain owners), the fanbase would be more tolerant to appointments that had the stamp of approval of the club legend that is JC. Useful distance created between Baldwin, Blunt etc and the footballing decisions. It stinks and quite rightly the fans are beginning to see it for the sham it is. If Copps had a shred of self respect or ambition to further his career in management, then he should get as far away from this shower of shit as possible and walk away. The longer he remains as a stooge for this inept board, the more his legacy is being tarnished. I'd hate to see him as the face of our inevitable decline into non-league that is surely coming if we remain on this path.
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When Copps was appointed DOF there were a small handful of us who dared to view it with cynicism. We were shouted down and told it was shameful to even think that a club legend like him would contemplate taking the money and towing the line.
I said it then and I'll repeat it again. He was appointed exactly with this situation in mind. To lend credibility to a board running desperately short of ideas and pursuing the cheap option once more. The hope of course was that when the shit inevitably hits the fan (as it will continue to do whilst these jokers remain owners), the fanbase would be more tolerant to appointments that had the stamp of approval of the club legend that is JC. Useful distance created between Baldwin, Blunt etc and the footballing decisions. It stinks and quite rightly the fans are beginning to see it for the sham it is. If Copps had a shred of self respect or ambition to further his career in management, then he should get as far away from this shower of shit as possible. The longer he remains as a stooge for this inept board, the more his legacy is being tarnished. I'd hate to see him as the face of our inevitable decline into non-league that is surely coming if we remain on this path.
Copps mentioned it at the meet the owners and he’s mentioned it again about our resources. We all know what he means and he has started going public with it.
I can see him resigning in the summer if/when things don’t change.
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When Copps was appointed DOF there were a small handful of us who dared to view it with cynicism. We were shouted down and told it was shameful to even think that a club legend like him would contemplate taking the money and towing the line.
I said it then and I'll repeat it again. He was appointed exactly with this situation in mind. To lend credibility to a board running desperately short of ideas and pursuing the cheap option once more. The hope of course was that when the shit inevitably hits the fan (as it will continue to do whilst these jokers remain owners), the fanbase would be more tolerant to appointments that had the stamp of approval of the club legend that is JC. Useful distance created between Baldwin, Blunt etc and the footballing decisions. It stinks and quite rightly the fans are beginning to see it for the sham it is. If Copps had a shred of self respect or ambition to further his career in management, then he should get as far away from this shower of shit as possible. The longer he remains as a stooge for this inept board, the more his legacy is being tarnished. I'd hate to see him as the face of our inevitable decline into non-league that is surely coming if we remain on this path.
Copps mentioned it at the meet the owners and he’s mentioned it again about our resources. We all know what he means and he has started going public with it.
I can see him resigning in the summer if/when things don’t change.
I hope he does decide to resign.
He shouldn’t be sticking up for those above him and taking the flack for what is being served up.
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Christ it’s emperors new clothes stuff isn’t it. What’s that line from Blackadder? ‘When all else fails, a steadfast refusal to look facts in the face will see us through’ or something.
I feel like I’m being gaslit by DS and Copps.
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I wonder what copps would say if he knew 75% of respondants on here want DS gone. and this forum is used by many of the die hard and moderate, level headed, experienced supporters.
Is he so institutionalised into club doncaster that he cannot see the obvious. Or is it more of a case that he refuses to bite the hand that feeds.? Or perhaps he fails to accept that the appointment of his mate DS was just plain flawed.
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When Copps was appointed DOF there were a small handful of us who dared to view it with cynicism. We were shouted down and told it was shameful to even think that a club legend like him would contemplate taking the money and towing the line.
I said it then and I'll repeat it again. He was appointed exactly with this situation in mind. To lend credibility to a board running desperately short of ideas and pursuing the cheap option once more. The hope of course was that when the shit inevitably hits the fan (as it will continue to do whilst these jokers remain owners), the fanbase would be more tolerant to appointments that had the stamp of approval of the club legend that is JC. Useful distance created between Baldwin, Blunt etc and the footballing decisions. It stinks and quite rightly the fans are beginning to see it for the sham it is. If Copps had a shred of self respect or ambition to further his career in management, then he should get as far away from this shower of shit as possible. The longer he remains as a stooge for this inept board, the more his legacy is being tarnished. I'd hate to see him as the face of our inevitable decline into non-league that is surely coming if we remain on this path.
Copps mentioned it at the meet the owners and he’s mentioned it again about our resources. We all know what he means and he has started going public with it.
I can see him resigning in the summer if/when things don’t change.
I was wonder if it was just me that heard that. It seems obvious to me that hes making those comments for a reason.
I think nearly all of what he said was fair. We do have a young team, almost a development team and it isn't ever going to get promotion in the short term.
But the aggregation of the young players, young coach and low resources just does not work.
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When Copps was appointed DOF there were a small handful of us who dared to view it with cynicism. We were shouted down and told it was shameful to even think that a club legend like him would contemplate taking the money and towing the line.
I said it then and I'll repeat it again. He was appointed exactly with this situation in mind. To lend credibility to a board running desperately short of ideas and pursuing the cheap option once more. The hope of course was that when the shit inevitably hits the fan (as it will continue to do whilst these jokers remain owners), the fanbase would be more tolerant to appointments that had the stamp of approval of the club legend that is JC. Useful distance created between Baldwin, Blunt etc and the footballing decisions. It stinks and quite rightly the fans are beginning to see it for the sham it is. If Copps had a shred of self respect or ambition to further his career in management, then he should get as far away from this shower of shit as possible and walk away. The longer he remains as a stooge for this inept board, the more his legacy is being tarnished. I'd hate to see him as the face of our inevitable decline into non-league that is surely coming if we remain on this path.
i was one of the few. how dare i question the appointment of the legend. it was a risk for him. one i wondered long and hard about. i felt then, and i still feel now that it was jobs for the boys. And a cameo appointment to make fans think the club was going the right way. SM has assured me that it was he brainchild of GB. I cant help but think that Copps himself was a very definite activist in drfc having a HOF. Why wouldnt he? dream post player job.
Everything about it stunk then, and it stinks even more now.
The combined wages of HOF and manager would get us a decent experienced manager. Instead, the board have created a monster. There is no way copps will oversee the departure of DS anytime soon. And likewise, there is no way the board will oversee the departure of copps anytime soon.
The only hope this team have is an incredible summer window, an incredible uplift in team cohesion during close season, an incredible turnaround in fortunes and performances next season and a manager that develops a backbone and style of play that suits the players he has at his disposal.
im not optimistic.
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Jesus christ, talk about gaslighting the fans.
Are they that stupid that they believe what they are saying, or are they fully aware and know they are treating fans with contempt ?
It's just a complete sham from top to bottom, completely rotten to the core.
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You can fool part of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time,”Abraham Lincoln.
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I wonder how many more fans this interview will knock off the attendance? The only glimmer of hope was that DS would be getting the boot very soon. Now thats effectively been snatched away with this interview will many more, like me, give up on it altogether?
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DS was never ever getting sacked!
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IF we’ve “one of the best squads in the division” then why do we (collectively) look so inept? Either it’s the manager/coach or the players or both those things to some degree. You can’t have it both ways, Copps. It’s bloody frightening, this.
Our very future is at stake, here!
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I’ve watched the interview again this morning over a coffee.
Still incredulous.
Perhaps JC should go into acting.
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It’s not a great team let alone a squad. They have struggled against entirely unimpressive sides in the lowest tier of the professional game. As a team they have failed and as individuals, too many have made unforced errors. This as it currently stands is 100pc not a group of players with the ability, application or mentality to get promoted from this very sorry level of the game.
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Does anyone have a direct email for coppinger ? Perhaps we should fill his inbox with our thoughts and concerns.
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When Copps was appointed DOF there were a small handful of us who dared to view it with cynicism. We were shouted down and told it was shameful to even think that a club legend like him would contemplate taking the money and towing the line.
I said it then and I'll repeat it again. He was appointed exactly with this situation in mind. To lend credibility to a board running desperately short of ideas and pursuing the cheap option once more. The hope of course was that when the shit inevitably hits the fan (as it will continue to do whilst these jokers remain owners), the fanbase would be more tolerant to appointments that had the stamp of approval of the club legend that is JC. Useful distance created between Baldwin, Blunt etc and the footballing decisions. It stinks and quite rightly the fans are beginning to see it for the sham it is. If Copps had a shred of self respect or ambition to further his career in management, then he should get as far away from this shower of shit as possible. The longer he remains as a stooge for this inept board, the more his legacy is being tarnished. I'd hate to see him as the face of our inevitable decline into non-league that is surely coming if we remain on this path.
Copps mentioned it at the meet the owners and he’s mentioned it again about our resources. We all know what he means and he has started going public with it.
I can see him resigning in the summer if/when things don’t change.
I was wonder if it was just me that heard that. It seems obvious to me that hes making those comments for a reason.
I think nearly all of what he said was fair. We do have a young team, almost a development team and it isn't ever going to get promotion in the short term.
But the aggregation of the young players, young coach and low resources just does not work.
I have spoken to Lincoln Rover who is on the Supporters Board.
Noises have been made I am told. I would like to think that Copps would be asked to read posts on this forum so he can get a true picture of our opinion on DS and the absolute dross his team are turning out week after week.
If he is seriously not concerned on how we are playing under his tenure as Head Coach then he needs to open his eyes to reality. The fans are going to vote with their feet next season & that includes me.
I have missed only about 7 home games in the last 21 seasons and they were ALL due to being away on holiday when we have had a home game. I have also averaged 19 away league games a season in that same number of years.
There is a limit to what even the most die hard supporters will put up with.
I go to watch football to see my team play entertaining football and hopefully I will see them win more than they lose. Winning games this league that should not be questionable.
I have a 10 yr old Grandson who is bored to tears watching this season. He doesn’t want to go any more.
He is one of te next generation of supporters. We could lose these kids as fans forever.
We had more entertainment when Wellens & GmS were Managers and the team under both was absolutely dire. We had no strikers of any ilk whatsoever.
Many of the players we had last season were not as good as the new ones we have brought in this season.
DS has managed to turn a potentially exciting attacking line up into a slow, boring safety 1st outfit and he has destroyed the flair and confidence of Hurst & Molyneux. Playing Miller up front on his own has been nothing short of criminal in footballing terms.
COPPS WAKE UP TO WHAT THE FAN BASE CAN SEE.
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He sits in the same box in the east stand with Baldwin every match. Get yourselves in there and make your voices heard.
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He sits in the same box in the east stand with Baldwin every match. Get yourselves in there and make your voices heard.
I seek a means to engage in constructive comment. Not a face to face gobbing off session. That achieves nothing.
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He’s on LinkedIn chaps ! Maybe message him direct and see if he responds.
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Gaslighting. Our media department is like Comical Alli during the gulf war. Clueless and full of shit
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He sits in the same box in the east stand with Baldwin every match. Get yourselves in there and make your voices heard.
I seek a means to engage in constructive comment. Not a face to face gobbing off session. That achieves nothing.
there’s no one there and the stadium is very quiet. It’s more than easy to have a civilised conversation.
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You can fool part of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time,”Abraham Lincoln.
I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours, I said that
Bob Dylan - Talkin WW111 blues
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He sits in the same box in the east stand with Baldwin every match. Get yourselves in there and make your voices heard.
There’s an argument to say, if he’s heading up recruitment, he should be out watching players live on a Saturday.
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He sits in the same box in the east stand with Baldwin every match. Get yourselves in there and make your voices heard.
There’s an argument to say, if he’s heading up recruitment, he should be out watching players live on a Saturday.
Well...
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Thus is not a set of kids now shouting board out, this is now fans of 40 years plus not coming, the board have to do something. SM any comments at all, are the club in total denial?
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I haven't seen the interview but perhaps Copps' comments are an elaborate version of the dreaded vote of confidence in the Head Coach?
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Thus is not a set of kids now shouting board out, this is now fans of 40 years plus not coming, the board have to do something. SM any comments at all, are the club in total denial?
You should read my response in the post the Bigger Picture. But in short yes, they are aware of the predicament.
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Did the interviewer really say it must be rewarding to see the effect DS has had in the team and players? WTF
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Think they need to step back from posting anything like these interviews. I know they can’t win as people moan that they are silent but if this is what they’ve got to say better to be quiet.
The questions are so leading from the interviewer that he’s already answered them.
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I wonder, on reflection, if DS has been told his neck is on the block as suggested by the “changes in the summer” by SM. I wonder if Copps set this interview up in solidarity for DS to save face if DS is sacked over his head? Or maybe Copps head is on the block also? Unless he plans to walk away in principle if the inevitable happens?
This could be an opportunity for the board to win a few people over if they take decisive, positive action.
Maybe I think too much, but it’s all unfathomable nonsense going on at the moment.
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Hope so. Think it would be fair to say to DS “come on we had a good chance of playoffs when you joined so show us something worth backing or we’ll have to make a hard decision come seasons end”
Other than his 1st few games there’s been nothing. Genuinely the players could have just got on with it without a manager and we’d not be any worse.
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Hope so. Think it would be fair to say to DS “come on we had a good chance of playoffs when you joined so show us something worth backing or we’ll have to make a hard decision come seasons end”
Other than his 1st few games there’s been nothing. Genuinely the players could have just got on with it without a manager and we’d not be any worse.
We’d probably be better as they wouldn’t be shackled
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You can fool part of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time,”Abraham Lincoln.
Sammy, it was actually:
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Abraham Lincoln
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
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Think they need to step back from posting anything like these interviews. I know they can’t win as people moan that they are silent but if this is what they’ve got to say better to be quiet.
The questions are so leading from the interviewer that he’s already answered them.
we need the BBC Humberside reporter asking the questions, the one who ripped mccan a new one every satdi tea time after hull had lost!!!
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Think they need to step back from posting anything like these interviews. I know they can’t win as people moan that they are silent but if this is what they’ve got to say better to be quiet.
The questions are so leading from the interviewer that he’s already answered them.
we need the BBC Humberside reporter asking the questions, the one who ripped mccan a new one every satdi tea time after hull had lost!!!
I remember when Wellens was manager he gave an interview to 18Dapper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQXo97ZCiXY
I wonder if Copps would be as generous with his time?
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Think they need to step back from posting anything like these interviews. I know they can’t win as people moan that they are silent but if this is what they’ve got to say better to be quiet.
The questions are so leading from the interviewer that he’s already answered them.
we need the BBC Humberside reporter asking the questions, the one who ripped mccan a new one every satdi tea time after hull had lost!!!
I remember when Wellens was manager he gave an interview to 18Dapper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQXo97ZCiXY
I wonder if Copps would be as generous with his time?
Just watched the first couple of minutes.
Wellens talks about understanding players strengths and weaknesses then setting realistic demands based on those.
If only we had a manager now who understood what our current players can and cannot do!
(Yes I know he made plenty of mistakes here but the point still stands)
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Not unlike the Alfie May story, Wellens was deemed not good enough for us and out of his depth in League One. Now he's on his way back there with league leaders Orient, and it is us who are not good enough for him!
It's enough to make one weep.
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What is really startling is how across Wellens, McSheffrey and Schofield, all very different managers and managing in different leagues, there is remarkable consistency across them all - terrible quality of football, total absence of spine, appalling recruitment and disastrous results.
I honestly could be watching Wellens manage at any point this season and it would feel the same. It’s been a truly awful last few seasons and the unifying facet of the risible quality of football is most at odds with the stated desire of having a more exciting brand of football. All these managers have delivered on a consistent basis largely against sides ‘smaller’ than us, literally the worst quality football we have seen in 25 years. Game in, game out, terrible to watch.
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Thus is not a set of kids now shouting board out, this is now fans of 40 years plus not coming, the board have to do something. SM any comments at all, are the club in total denial?
You should read my response in the post the Bigger Picture. But in short yes, they are aware of the predicament.
Thank you for your time to respond SM, it helps with curbing the frustrations.
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Think they need to step back from posting anything like these interviews. I know they can’t win as people moan that they are silent but if this is what they’ve got to say better to be quiet.
The questions are so leading from the interviewer that he’s already answered them.
Robbie went down in my estimation. Any broadcasting professional in this situation should ask open questions irrespective of who employs them. He would have been justified in framing questions in terms that reflected the criticism of the team’s performances, but he did not. In effect, it was almost insulting to those who wanted to hear Copps defence of the Schofield regime. He was put under no pressure and effectively choose to talk about soft topics. Alongside these, Rovers performances on the pitch must always be more important. There would be no work in the wider locality without the football. When all is said and done he is Head of FOOTBALL Operations.
If it was intended to create a better understanding of the club’s position by presenting what was to them, the wider perspective, it just shows how out of touch they are, and of course it added a considerable measure of disrespect.
When those close the the club tell us they “understand”, putting out this kind of interview rather proves that they don’t.
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Just listened to Radio Sheffield and it was very refreshing to hear Staton and Biltcliffe sticking the boot into Schofield and telling it how it is. At least the wider public are aware of this shit show. It’s only those in the fold who refuse to acknowledge it.
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Think they need to step back from posting anything like these interviews. I know they can’t win as people moan that they are silent but if this is what they’ve got to say better to be quiet.
The questions are so leading from the interviewer that he’s already answered them.
we need the BBC Humberside reporter asking the questions, the one who ripped mccan a new one every satdi tea time after hull had lost!!!
I agree. Think it was burnsy the reporter for them. He certainly gave McCann a rough ride. He would destroy Schofield.
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Time to go, good player and thats it.
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Schofield is a manager only on paper alone, that much is obvious with the job he has done. How long will people put up with charity being prioritised over the club? If you are going to run a thing then run it, otherwise step away.