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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Butchers Red on March 27, 2023, 11:38:05 am
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Harsh but necessary - unlikely DP would accept anyway but there are others of his ilk around and available at this level
Anyone who understands the basics will do.
The only process I want to see is a bias towards playing young local lads
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If no suitable managers available or able to switch I'd place in Fank Sinclair until the end of the season.
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I was hoping there would be an announcement this morning...
Point of no return has been reached.
He has to go along with all his coaches Gribble, Bennett and Green.
Saturday will be very toxic once again if he's not gone.
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I was hoping there would be an announcement this morning...
Point of no return has been reached.
He has to go along with all his coaches Gribble, Bennett and Green.
Saturday will be very toxic once again if he's not gone.
A bit harsh to sack Greeny on day of his Dads funeral
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Penney is yesterday's man and not the answer.
I'm not sure getting rid of DS solves the deep-rooted issues we have, but he isn't making much of a case for himself at the moment admittedly.
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Yes for me. It feels like we need a great reset. Clear out DS and a large majority of the players. Get a new manager briefed and ready for the new season and back him as much as possible through the summer.
That's my opinion anyway. The rot and toxicity is destroying everything.
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Yes for me. It feels like we need a great reset. Clear out DS and a large majority of the players. Get a new manager briefed and ready for the new season and back him as much as possible through the summer.
That's my opinion anyway. The rot and toxicity is destroying everything.
I think these current players can do a lot better with a better more experienced manager. I find Danny ignorant.
Ignorant of the fans
Ignorant of the style (or lack of)
Ignorant of facts
I have NO idea on why he was head hunted for this position.
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Penney is yesterday's man and not the answer.
I'm not sure getting rid of DS solves the deep-rooted issues we have, but he isn't making much of a case for himself at the moment admittedly.
You're right and don't misunderstand me re DP, he's a legend and gave us some great moments, and not for one moment am I suggesting he would be able to recreate all that. I mention him as an example of someone who loves the club and has an understanding for what is required right now. He would give the stability we need until such time as the club can pull their finger out and go get us the likes of Paul Cook.
I'm also sure he would put the mojo back into some of our players like Kyle Hurst and poor Jon Mitchell who look like they are having their lifeblood drained at the moment
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Everything stinks of amateurism.
Even the half time drills for the subs. Northampton were doing quick 1 touch passing drills whilst our players were running through a half-hearted hungover Sunday league warm-up.
The moment I saw that Rovers staff member pointing and sniggering at the Northampton manager’s passion I wanted them all gone.
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I was more concerned at the injured Rovers players on the bench pissing themselves laughing at the second goal.
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1000% yes.
We all know the team is poor and that it needs to be improved drastically.
But do you trust the man who stuck with Roshaun Williams and shipped Faulkner out? Do you trust the man who keeps playing a clearly shot Championship midefileder in a back 5? Do you trust a man who shows no ability to adapt or make changes he just subs players into his rigid 541?
I don't, the clubs going backward, people staying away and the football is utterly dreadful. he needs to go and take his process with him
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Yes for me. It feels like we need a great reset. Clear out DS and a large majority of the players. Get a new manager briefed and ready for the new season and back him as much as possible through the summer.
That's my opinion anyway. The rot and toxicity is destroying everything.
I think these current players can do a lot better with a better more experienced manager. I find Danny ignorant.
Ignorant of the fans
Ignorant of the style (or lack of)
Ignorant of facts
I have NO idea on why he was head hunted for this position.
You may be correct CR regarding the current players, although I feel if they were that good, then they may be doing better regardless of DS' imposed 'style' of play. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not convinced though. I agree on DS' ignorance though and add stubbornness and possibly arrogance on top. I most certainly agree on the headhunting. Why would you headhunt an inexperienced and already failed coach. I have no idea.
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Yes for me. It feels like we need a great reset. Clear out DS and a large majority of the players. Get a new manager briefed and ready for the new season and back him as much as possible through the summer.
That's my opinion anyway. The rot and toxicity is destroying everything.
I think these current players can do a lot better with a better more experienced manager. I find Danny ignorant.
Ignorant of the fans
Ignorant of the style (or lack of)
Ignorant of facts
I have NO idea on why he was head hunted for this position.
Copps spent quite some time at Huddersfield doing his homework on DS. Obviously he saw something to suggest he was the right man.
As we all can see and I really hope Copps can see it also it was a mistake.
Hold hands up Copps and be the big man and just say it. We will all respect you for that.
To bury your head in the sand and just expect it to turn out alright in the end is very poor management.
Be pro active. Learn from this and get someone in to Manage the team who will bring in his own coach who will coach the team.
We have a novice as head coach in DS who is quite clearly delusional and out of his depth, and an assistant coach who is even more of a novice and clearly is just a yes man to DS.
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DS wasn’t head hunted.
He had already been sacked by Huddersfield ( for one win in the first 9 games of the season ) when he got our job.
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Not Dave Penney.
1) He won’t come back. Why risk tarnishing his reputation he has with Rovers fans.
2) We should not be hankering for a manager who left us nearly 17 years ago and got us promoted 19 years ago.
DP is the past not the future.
3) Don’t think he would want to be EFL manager now, think he will be happy being DoF at York City where he is doing a very decent job helping rebuild that Club.
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Confusion here because there are 2 CR’s
Canadian Rover & myself Campsall rover.
When referring to us by our forum names can we be called CR/C for Canada & CR/Y for Yorkshire.
Well we are the Republic of Yorkshire aren’t we!!!
Talking of Yorkshire I have never looked forward to the Cricket season more than I do right now.
This current state of affairs at DRFC is stressing me out. Big time.
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35 games as a head coach/manager, 10 wins 4 draws and 21 defeats, the stats tell all we need to know, someone needs to get a grip of this club!
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Not Dave Penney.
1) He won’t come back. Why risk tarnishing his reputation he has with Rovers fans.
2) We should not be hankering for a manager who left us nearly 17 years ago and got us promoted 19 years ago.
DP is the past not the future.
3) Don’t think he would want to be EFL manager now, think he will be happy being DoF at York City where he is doing a very decent job helping rebuild that Club.
Think he left York a number of months ago now. Even still, I think point two stands up strongly enough on its own.
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What’s the point; you would be polishing a turd. The club is in decline and you could recruit Pep but he couldn’t do anything with the constraints the club would place in him. The club is being damaged by the financing issues.
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What’s the point; you would be polishing a turd. The club is in decline and you could recruit Pep but he couldn’t do anything with the constraints the club would place in him. The club is being damaged by the financing issues.
That’s rubbish though,
The money spent on this squad each week is more than good enough to be at the top end of league 2
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
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What’s the point; you would be polishing a turd. The club is in decline and you could recruit Pep but he couldn’t do anything with the constraints the club would place in him. The club is being damaged by the financing issues.
That’s rubbish though,
The money spent on this squad each week is more than good enough to be at the top end of league 2
We are not sure what the budget is though dickos.
We were told in August it was enough for a play off place at least. Blunt said the plan was to bounce back decisively.
Was it SM not sure who said it is top 10 in this league. Very little between many of the clubs I group behind the top 7. Not 100% on exactly what was said.
What we do need is transparency and David Blunt or GB needs to be up front and give us the facts.
Not what we want to hear but the facts.
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
You know by looking at some of the players we have.
Anderson, Rowe, close, Taylor, molyneux, yes they might be underperforming but they’re 100% amongst the top earners in this league.
Our wage bill will be much bigger than the likes of barrow, Sutton, Newport, Walsall, who are in and around us.
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
There are 3 board members, who is at loggerheads with who?
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
You know by looking at some of the players we have.
Anderson, Rowe, close, Taylor, molyneux, yes they might be underperforming but they’re 100% amongst the top earners in this league.
Our wage bill will be much bigger than the likes of barrow, Sutton, Newport, Walsall, who are in and around us.
You’re being gaslit by the ownership. How long having they been spouting this rubbish about promotion budgets? Didn’t a former manager come out and call that out as BS rhetoric a few years back? They are still at it.
Bramhall is at loggerheads with Blunt re the financing; like I say every month they are scrambling around for wages; this sustainability rhetoric is rubbish. Check next years books.
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The problem, as I see it, is that no one at the club wants to bring in an experienced knowledgeable outsider that will ruffle a few feathers and start giving out the bollocking required. Copps and/or Blunt & Baldwin don't want any one near the club with the nous to expose their incompetence! So they will back DS as he is a yes man and if they are forced to replace him it will be with another yes man. It's all very pally, pally at the moment and the powers that be won't want to upset that culture even though it is so obvious that seismic changes are needed to get back on track and move up the leagues.
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There are some posters on here that just will not have it. Campsall is correct in that SM told us we had a top 10 budget (despite the fact that I was under the impression we had a top 6 budget). Along with that, SM also explained we’re in a bunch of Clubs with ‘not much between them’ budget wise. From that, it’s anyone’s guess that we could be top 10 or top 20, who knows.
If, as people generally point out, your position in the league generally reflect what your budget is, we’re currently 12th, but if our current form persists, we’ll be much lower than that, come season’s end.
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
You know by looking at some of the players we have.
Anderson, Rowe, close, Taylor, molyneux, yes they might be underperforming but they’re 100% amongst the top earners in this league.
Our wage bill will be much bigger than the likes of barrow, Sutton, Newport, Walsall, who are in and around us.
If it wasn’t bigger than Barrow & Sutton & Stevenage who are all above us then we are in deep sh.t.
Looks as though we are in a group similar to Tranmere, Wimbledon, Walsall behind the top 7 teams with the highest budgets.
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We'd need to have the highest budget to have any chance of play offs with our recruitment team.
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We'd need to have the highest budget to have any chance of play offs with our recruitment team.
We need Manager first and foremost
Whatever the budget is we should not be put through this turgid rubbish week after week.
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
That's just a complete nonsense, both of your points.
The board are not at loggerheads over salaries (its not even down to them, its the Finance Director and Gavin) and I'm certainly not entrenched by or with anybody.
After 23 years of battling for supporters rights I doubt I'd give up my reputation for stupid innuendos like you trot out.
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There are some posters on here that just will not have it. Campsall is correct in that SM told us we had a top 10 budget (despite the fact that I was under the impression we had a top 6 budget). Along with that, SM also explained we’re in a bunch of Clubs with ‘not much between them’ budget wise. From that, it’s anyone’s guess that we could be top 10 or top 20, who knows.
If, as people generally point out, your position in the league generally reflect what your budget is, we’re currently 12th, but if our current form persists, we’ll be much lower than that, come season’s end.
Yes but what I meant by that 'in a bunch of clubs with similar' I was referring to probably 6th downwards. That would still put us in the top 10, just not sure exactly without getting the info from the EFl which should be updated after the January window.
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The problem, as I see it, is that no one at the club wants to bring in an experienced knowledgeable outsider that will ruffle a few feathers and start giving out the bollocking required. Copps and/or Blunt & Baldwin don't want any one near the club with the nous to expose their incompetence! So they will back DS as he is a yes man and if they are forced to replace him it will be with another yes man. It's all very pally, pally at the moment and the powers that be won't want to upset that culture even though it is so obvious that seismic changes are needed to get back on track and move up the leagues.
Seriously?
Surely if anybody would ruffle feathers it would have been Richie Wellens, which just shows how crazy your theory is.
I still never understand how supporters are convinced that there's a big conspiracy going off in the club which is all designed to make sure the club doesn't succeed. How strange!!
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The trouble is, SM, we simply are not succeeding- far from it in fact. So, something is badly wrong and, to date, nobody seems capable of putting it right.
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The trouble is, SM, we simply are not succeeding- far from it in fact. So, something is badly wrong and, to date, nobody seems capable of putting it right.
Well that's obvious. My concern is the amount of bullshit posts that have no bearing on reality.
Something is badly wrong, but its not a conspiracy, or a situation that cannot be addressed.
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I would think that any situation can be addressed Martin.
The time it takes to resolve issues can make it fatal sometimes.
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The trouble is, SM, we simply are not succeeding- far from it in fact. So, something is badly wrong and, to date, nobody seems capable of putting it right.
Well that's obvious. My concern is the amount of bullshit posts that have no bearing on reality.
Something is badly wrong, but its not a conspiracy, or a situation that cannot be addressed.
Have problems been identified in order to address them?
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It's still a no from me. Would be a disaster for Copps too if he's binning off his first appointment when so much was placed on his style of play, coaching style and ability so just can't see it happening.
Got a massive summer ahead of us.
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The trouble is, SM, we simply are not succeeding- far from it in fact. So, something is badly wrong and, to date, nobody seems capable of putting it right.
Well that's obvious. My concern is the amount of bullshit posts that have no bearing on reality.
Something is badly wrong, but its not a conspiracy, or a situation that cannot be addressed.
Question SM if I may ask: do the board acknowledge that there are problems? and if so, what do they acknowledge to be the problems?
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
That's just a complete nonsense, both of your points.
The board are not at loggerheads over salaries (its not even down to them, its the Finance Director and Gavin) and I'm certainly not entrenched by or with anybody.
After 23 years of battling for supporters rights I doubt I'd give up my reputation for stupid innuendos like you trot out.
Is it right that they are circa 50k short every month re salaries and have to find the funds? I have this from a very reliable source.
Point me to one post where you as a representaive of the supporters has criticised any of the current incumbent of directors for how the club is being run; you don’t do so despite the majority of the supporters doing so; supporters representative my backside.
Your
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It's still a no from me. Would be a disaster for Copps too if he's binning off his first appointment when so much was placed on his style of play, coaching style and ability so just can't see it happening.
Got a massive summer ahead of us.
To create a style of play, it has to be an evolution , and you need to get the best out of what you’ve got, which is not happening, because DS wants that style with the players that can’t play that style
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The trouble is, SM, we simply are not succeeding- far from it in fact. So, something is badly wrong and, to date, nobody seems capable of putting it right.
Well that's obvious. My concern is the amount of bullshit posts that have no bearing on reality.
Something is badly wrong, but its not a conspiracy, or a situation that cannot be addressed.
So what is wrong and what’s your views on how it could be put right? And secondly given we have been on a downward trajectory since SOD left why have we not figured out what’s wrong and why have you never spoken up about it?
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The short term future of the playing side of Doncaster rovers currently rests with the player and manager. And something is very, very wrong here. I cannot imagine copps and the board are happy with current performances. To suggest they don’t see, don’t realise or don’t care is quite frankly preposterous. So they are either happy to continue as is, in the vain hope that thing’s will get better. Or we are on the verge of change, but when, how far and how deep that change goes will be key. And it’s not like the whole team will be replaced, given that half the team that played Crawley are already signed up for next season.
I just can’t see a situation where the summer window comes, there is a little strengthening in the squad, some dead wood cleared out, DS stays in charge with his “process” and rovers somehow manage to turn things around.
The single most influential factor here imo is the managers attitude and style. And in DS I think both are well “off piste” for where we are as a club right now.
And for that reason, in The interests of getting back some sort of identity and credibility as a football playing club, he has to go and someone with pedigree and experience should be employed. The players have potential, DS is failing to realise that potential. As has been previously alluded to, he is a PE Teacher, compared to the likes of Ferguson or Mcann.
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SM:
My concern is the amount of bullshit posts that have no bearing on reality.
Martin, I sincerely hope your concern for our Club is far, far greater than your concern of some of the posts on this forum. You have to take into account that nobody would be posting if they didn’t have feelings for the Club.
The situation is dire and ‘seems’ to be getting worse by the week.
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As supporters of a professional experienced football club, isn’t it only fair we have a professional experienced manager?
And whilst he may have the ticks in the box so to speak, I can’t help but feel like we are suffering another “experiment” with an inexperienced HOF ( as HOF not as a football player) and an inexperienced manager.
And we all know where the last experiment ended up.
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
That's just a complete nonsense, both of your points.
The board are not at loggerheads over salaries (its not even down to them, its the Finance Director and Gavin) and I'm certainly not entrenched by or with anybody.
After 23 years of battling for supporters rights I doubt I'd give up my reputation for stupid innuendos like you trot out.
Is it right that they are circa 50k short every month re salaries and have to find the funds? I have this from a very reliable source.
Point me to one post where you as a representaive of the supporters has criticised any of the current incumbent of directors for how the club is being run; you don’t do so despite the majority of the supporters doing so; supporters representative my backside.
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Aidan, most businesses have to find extra funds come pay day. I'd be very surprised if rovers can cover funds off at this time of year and sure the owners have to provide liquidity. That wouldn't alarm me it would be normal business to me.
There are other things that may concern me financially than that.
But say it is true there's real difficulty getting the cash, how would anyone propose it arrived? I still don't see publicly signs of anyone who can give fans what they want by way of takeover, investment etc.
And I say this as someone who does believe we need a change. But I don't see where that change is.
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The short term future of the playing side of Doncaster rovers currently rests with the player and manager. And something is very, very wrong here. I cannot imagine copps and the board are happy with current performances. To suggest they don’t see, don’t realise or don’t care is quite frankly preposterous. So they are either happy to continue as is, in the vain hope that thing’s will get better. Or we are on the verge of change, but when, how far and how deep that change goes will be key. And it’s not like the whole team will be replaced, given that half the team that played Crawley are already signed up for next season.
I just can’t see a situation where the summer window comes, there is a little strengthening in the squad, some dead wood cleared out, DS stays in charge with his “process” and rovers somehow manage to turn things around.
The single most influential factor here imo is the managers attitude and style. And in DS I think both are well “off piste” for where we are as a club right now.
And for that reason, in The interests of getting back some sort of identity and credibility as a football playing club, he has to go and someone with pedigree and experience should be employed. The players have potential, DS is failing to realise that potential. As has been previously alluded to, he is a PE Teacher, compared to the likes of Ferguson or Mcann.
I hope you are right. They are surely going to be worried by the Yorkshire Post article which, considering its content, will I imagine have been approved by the Editor. The YP is not some impulsive irresponsible blogger and has to have regard to its reputation. No doubt Terry B will know some of the hierarchy there and the sensitivity will be appreciated on both sides..
The case for the defence rests on putting faith in a playing policy which is no more than a vision defined only in very general terms by its promoter whose ability both in management and in his system’s efficacy is unproven.
The case against is a wealth of evidence backed by widespread discontent by responsible, long-standing, moderate supporters. Endorsement by a professional football writer in a well-respected regional newspaper should prompt serious examination of their strategy. If they have milestones in their business plan, it is difficult to imagine that they have been achieved so as to rationalise the current decline. The predictable supportive action would be to acknowledge the downturn but to affirm continuing faith.
Behind the scenes, sensible business practice would be to seriously prepare for change and set challenging objectives to JC/DS and a deadline. Assuming that they are unlikely to go for immediate dismissal, let’s hope they have such a contingency plan.
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I’m in the keep him camp, he does need to adapt more though, that I think we can all agree on.
The problem is not the manager, nor his desired style - it is the players and recruitment over recent years.
We have had numerous managers recently and all with various styles, not one of them could get a tune out of the bunch we have. It is a poor mix of players, I would also comment on the poor use of the available budget by previous managers. I don’t know about size of budget allowed.
So far we know DS definitely wants:
Tom Anderson
Joseph Olowu
Kyle Hurst
The players he has brought in:
Lakin - the best midfielder we had so far this season.
Nelson - really good player, but never signing for us, just here for experience.
Lavery - don’t know, not seen enough of him, but he has good movement.
Miller - not sure at all, good effort at the weekend but does not look ready for pro football.
Brown - good player, even though he had a stinker at the weekend - I half expected him to trip over on his way off.
I hope he stays and is given the chance to offload who he wants too.
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Well Monday has come and gone with no announcement. Chance to be decisive.
Instead it’ll be the same conversations sane hope of action after the next game.
The lack of action just creates a void for the conspiracy theorists and Neto brigade to occupy. The club is doing itself no favours by keeping the lunatic in charge.
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We'd need to have the highest budget to have any chance of play offs with our recruitment team.
We need Manager first and foremost
Whatever the budget is we should not be put through this turgid rubbish week after week.
We get rid of Schofield then we leave it to the same people who have brought in ineptitude after ineptitude. Schofield is never the main issue.
I wonder where we have come over the last 5 years of a comparison of budget to league finishing position. Bet we've underperformed every season.
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GET McCANN
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The problem, as I see it, is that no one at the club wants to bring in an experienced knowledgeable outsider that will ruffle a few feathers and start giving out the bollocking required. Copps and/or Blunt & Baldwin don't want any one near the club with the nous to expose their incompetence! So they will back DS as he is a yes man and if they are forced to replace him it will be with another yes man. It's all very pally, pally at the moment and the powers that be won't want to upset that culture even though it is so obvious that seismic changes are needed to get back on track and move up the leagues.
Seriously?
Surely if anybody would ruffle feathers it would have been Richie Wellens, which just shows how crazy your theory is.
I still never understand how supporters are convinced that there's a big conspiracy going off in the club which is all designed to make sure the club doesn't succeed. How strange!!
Yes, seriously, I don't know why you should not understand it to be fair. In my opinion Wellens came back to a club he had a real affinity with believing we were ambitious, yes he made mistakes, but that ambition wasn't really there was it, just another manager hung out to dry, as was Butler, Mcsheffery & the current incumbent. It's all nice nicey & making stupid appointments to appease the fans, Coppinger is another. Instead of grabbing the situation full on & bringing in someone who knows this league well, & has the experience to get us out of it. So no there’s no conspiracy, just a total lack of ambition & enthusiasm from the club, that we, as supporters, can see through.
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There’s a great deal of noise on the forum at present. 2 polls asking a similar question and about 28 other threads ‘debating’ the same points. It’s not really helpful.
Maybe everyone needs to go and have a walk round the park. Look at the trees coming into bud. Tell your partner you love them. That kind of thing!
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Doncaster has always been a working man’s town/city, we stepped above our station for a few glorious years and it was great, but like all good things it came to an end and for us and was unsustainable.
What we have tried to do again is step above our station but this time we we’re not so Lucy in our selections of assets and in the selection of a manager to fine tune them.
What we are left with is a soft top coupe with a car cleaner in charge when in this league what we really need is a four wheel drive SUV with the head salesman in the seat.
We either get rid of the soft top coupe and trade it in for a Landy or we change the car cleaner for a sales director. Either way main dealers stock is out of the question we are strictly shopping at Honest John’s autos.
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As I was saying, noise.
I’ll pop back about Saturday lunchtime.
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As I was saying, noise.
I’ll pop back about Saturday lunchtime.
What you may consider noise others may consider the club they care very much for as on a one way ticket to oblivion, because that’s what it will be this time if we mess this up and continue our current trajectory next season.
Maybe come back this time next season and see the noise then?
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Wellens oversaw the most catastrophic summer of recruitment in the recent history of the club. That his results were so terrible was largely due to his appalling litany of the mad, bad and dangerous to know.
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There’s a great deal of noise on the forum at present. 2 polls asking a similar question and about 28 other threads ‘debating’ the same points. It’s not really helpful.
Maybe everyone needs to go and have a walk round the park. Look at the trees coming into bud. Tell your partner you love them. That kind of thing!
There is a lot of noise being made because an awful lot of people care deeply about our Football Club.
We saw what happened in 97/98 and for it to be allowed to happen again when the club is in a healthy financial position would be nothing short of criminal in footballing terms.
All we need is a competent experienced Manager with an CV of success, preferably a league 2 promotion on it and at least a play off achievement at League 1 level. We also should comfortably have a top 5 budget in this league.
Neither of those should be beyond being achievable. We are a large Club in this league. It’s time we started to look like one.
I can understand Bradford, Swindon & Stockport having larger playing budgets. Bradford ave over 17.000 gates. Swindon and Stockport ave over 9.000 and almost that figure.respectively.
If clubs the size of Leyton Orient, Mansfield, Northampton, Carlisle, Salford, Tranmere, Wimbledon & Walsall have higher or even equal playing budgets to us there is something seriously wrong with the ambition of our board.
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The problem, as I see it, is that no one at the club wants to bring in an experienced knowledgeable outsider that will ruffle a few feathers and start giving out the bollocking required. Copps and/or Blunt & Baldwin don't want any one near the club with the nous to expose their incompetence! So they will back DS as he is a yes man and if they are forced to replace him it will be with another yes man. It's all very pally, pally at the moment and the powers that be won't want to upset that culture even though it is so obvious that seismic changes are needed to get back on track and move up the leagues.
Seriously?
Surely if anybody would ruffle feathers it would have been Richie Wellens, which just shows how crazy your theory is.
I still never understand how supporters are convinced that there's a big conspiracy going off in the club which is all designed to make sure the club doesn't succeed. How strange!!
If you read my comments correctly you would have noticed I said an experienced, knowledgeable outsider, Wellens was none of those yet you cite him in your response. I don't for one minute believe there is a big conspiracy going on, I just have a feeling that they don't want someone from outside the club to upset, as I said an apparent pally, pally culture where no one seems capable of holding any one to account for the abysmal situation we find ourselves in.
Lets forget about the SOD era and trying to recreate it. Let's stop promoting from within to senior management positions and stop recruiting ex players associated with the SOD era. Let's stop recruiting untried head coaches/managers.
Big changes to our approach to recruitment (players and coaching staff) are needed, surely you can see that SM.
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The Club's lack of action on this tells us a couple of things: They either believe DS is fulfilling his remit in terms of results expected or his failure to achieve their desired improvement is no fault of his.
I'm sure there are other possible explanations but either way it doesn't present the club in a good light.
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The trouble is, SM, we simply are not succeeding- far from it in fact. So, something is badly wrong and, to date, nobody seems capable of putting it right.
Well that's obvious. My concern is the amount of bullshit posts that have no bearing on reality.
Something is badly wrong, but its not a conspiracy, or a situation that cannot be addressed.
Question SM if I may ask: do the board acknowledge that there are problems? and if so, what do they acknowledge to be the problems?
Yes of course they have.
But it’s not appropriate for me to comment on the detail yet as the work is as yet not complete and we will have to wait for its implementation.
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
That's just a complete nonsense, both of your points.
The board are not at loggerheads over salaries (its not even down to them, its the Finance Director and Gavin) and I'm certainly not entrenched by or with anybody.
After 23 years of battling for supporters rights I doubt I'd give up my reputation for stupid innuendos like you trot out.
Is it right that they are circa 50k short every month re salaries and have to find the funds? I have this from a very reliable source.
Point me to one post where you as a representaive of the supporters has criticised any of the current incumbent of directors for how the club is being run; you don’t do so despite the majority of the supporters doing so; supporters representative my backside.
Your
Name your source then.
And here’s the problem, if you think good fan representation is about spouting off on a football forum then it’s a good job that the task is being left to the adults.
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I have seen some rough comments occasionally since i have been a member of this site, even by me , but we must be in dire straights when all this in fighting is happening to many supporters like is happening especially now.
If it happening with supporters I just wonder how all the players and staff are feeling?
All this must be being seen or heard by many.
Are some blind?.
I doubt it
Are some hiding?
Hell yes
It MUST be affecting a large percentage in their work (players and staff).
It must also be affecting their home life as I am sure it does with all,supporters included.
Why is there not an Extraordinary meeting of the owners /board members /managegment happening?
Or is it?
Please let us the supporters know.
As Bill Shankly once said, "Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that".
I'm not sure about that, but i understand the sentiments.
Everyone is hurting.
Owners please then make a statement where we are going.
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
That's just a complete nonsense, both of your points.
The board are not at loggerheads over salaries (its not even down to them, its the Finance Director and Gavin) and I'm certainly not entrenched by or with anybody.
After 23 years of battling for supporters rights I doubt I'd give up my reputation for stupid innuendos like you trot out.
Is it right that they are circa 50k short every month re salaries and have to find the funds? I have this from a very reliable source.
Point me to one post where you as a representaive of the supporters has criticised any of the current incumbent of directors for how the club is being run; you don’t do so despite the majority of the supporters doing so; supporters representative my backside.
Your
Name your source then.
And here’s the problem, if you think good fan representation is about spouting off on a football forum then it’s a good job that the task is being left to the adults.
You’re not denying it then?
Being a fans representative is about having the courage of your convictions, being transparent and not cosying up to your mates; maybe you should try it.
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
That's just a complete nonsense, both of your points.
The board are not at loggerheads over salaries (its not even down to them, its the Finance Director and Gavin) and I'm certainly not entrenched by or with anybody.
After 23 years of battling for supporters rights I doubt I'd give up my reputation for stupid innuendos like you trot out.
Is it right that they are circa 50k short every month re salaries and have to find the funds? I have this from a very reliable source.
Point me to one post where you as a representaive of the supporters has criticised any of the current incumbent of directors for how the club is being run; you don’t do so despite the majority of the supporters doing so; supporters representative my backside.
Your
Name your source then.
And here’s the problem, if you think good fan representation is about spouting off on a football forum then it’s a good job that the task is being left to the adults.
You’re not denying it then?
Being a fans representative is about having the courage of your convictions, being transparent and not cosying up to your mates; maybe you should try it.
You have no idea what being a fans representative is.
I have 23 years of it at the highest level. I'd put myself up against you anytime, no problem.
And, this morning there's been a two hour meeting (still ongoing) with the Select Committee of the DCMS questioning the FSA and EPL, EFL , FA, on the white paper from the FLR report. I'd guess that I'm the only one who's watched all of it.
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
That's just a complete nonsense, both of your points.
The board are not at loggerheads over salaries (its not even down to them, its the Finance Director and Gavin) and I'm certainly not entrenched by or with anybody.
After 23 years of battling for supporters rights I doubt I'd give up my reputation for stupid innuendos like you trot out.
Is it right that they are circa 50k short every month re salaries and have to find the funds? I have this from a very reliable source.
Point me to one post where you as a representaive of the supporters has criticised any of the current incumbent of directors for how the club is being run; you don’t do so despite the majority of the supporters doing so; supporters representative my backside.
Your
Name your source then.
And here’s the problem, if you think good fan representation is about spouting off on a football forum then it’s a good job that the task is being left to the adults.
You’re not denying it then?
Being a fans representative is about having the courage of your convictions, being transparent and not cosying up to your mates; maybe you should try it.
You have no idea what being a fans representative is.
I have 23 years of it at the highest level. I'd put myself up against you anytime, no problem.
And, this morning there's been a two hour meeting (still ongoing) with the Select Committee of the DCMS questioning the FSA and EPL, EFL , FA, on the white paper from the FLR report. I'd guess that I'm the only one who's watched all of it.
Ask yourself this; you bang in about how long you’ve been in this sort of role but I am many other supporters don’t have a clue what’s happening at the club, it’s all cloak and dagger and the club is going backwards without our representative appearing not to speak out about the state of the affairs at all. What do you think it looks like and what value are you adding to the general fan base.
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Last year, these were some of the key proposals for a shadow board. They are based on suggestions by the wider Fan Led Review. It’s worth a read. As are the regular minutes posted on drfc.co.uk. Of interest is the apparent contradiction, in being transparent in one breath, and then the need for confidentiality in another.
And to be clear, I doff my cap to those who give their time freely for the club, but I can’t help but think they only get told what the board want them to know, and then are further hampered by what the club lets them share to the wider support base.
7.23 The aim of the Shadow Board would be to improve transparency between the club and its supporters. It is also aimed to offer supporters an opportunity to be consulted on some of the major decisions being taken within the club and for the club to take advantage of consulting with some of its most important and committed stakeholders. Given the uniquely important status of fans and the potential benefit to clubs of better consultation, the default expectation should be that the supporters are consulted, via the Shadow Board, on all material ‘non football/off pitch’ business and financial matters.
7.24 In order to ensure productive, open, discussions the Shadow Board members will need to enter into a confidentiality agreement with the club to ensure certain commercially sensitive discussions remain private. This should allow for information on most matters to be shared with the wider fan base, whilst also allowing a space for the Shadow Board to help the club by consulting confidentially on certain key matters.
7.25 It is recommended that the Shadow Board be engaged and consulted on (without limitation):
a) The club’s strategic vision and objectives
b) Short, medium and long-term business plans;
c) Operational matchday issues of concern to supporters;
d) Any proposals relating to club heritage items;
e) Marketing, merchandising and sponsorship plans and performance. This
would not involve consultation or approval on specific contracts or proposals but, for example, the club Commercial Director should meet the Shadow Board at least once per season to explain the club’s commercial strategy and how the club is performing in relation to such strategy. Similarly, the club Marketing Director would be expected to present once per season on the club’s marketing strategy and performance;
f) Stadium issues and plans; and
g) The club’s plan for broader supporter engagement.
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The last Shadow Board Minutes are for the January meeting. A lot has happened since then.
7.24 of their Constitution provides for “information on most matters to be shared” and at 7.5 “short term business plans” is specified.
When will just some useful information relevant to the current crisis be revealed and may we have details of the “short term business plan” please?
Silent Majority is keen to make us well aware of his credentials and record and such long service and experience is admirable, but it is hurtful for him to summarily dismiss or pretend not to understand polite, perfectly cogently expressed questions.
I look forward to a response.
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SM is nothing to do with Shadow Board, as I understand
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Can a member of the Shadow Board provide answers to the questions then?
I would also like to know what position Silent Majority occupies in the scheme of things. As he writes as though he knows a good deal about the inner workings, does he have any terms of reference for the disclosure of information?
I may be wrong, but it strikes me that the provision of information and the effective involvement in the conduct of the club’s management of the fans does not seem to be happening below the level of their representatives. Surely they should be passing on what they learn, otherwise “involvement” is just a one-way process.
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SM is nothing to do with Shadow Board, as I understand
No I'm not, not any more at least.
The SB was my idea, it was detailed in the FLR and has since been ratified in the White Paper. However I resigned when I had the temerity to object to the club and SB not doing what it was elected to do, and when I complained I had an email from the club that fell far below any standard I would expect.
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Can a member of the Shadow Board provide answers to the questions then?
I would also like to know what position Silent Majority occupies in the scheme of things. As he writes as though he knows a good deal about the inner workings, does he have any terms of reference for the disclosure of information?
I may be wrong, but it strikes me that the provision of information and the effective involvement in the conduct of the club’s management of the fans does not seem to be happening below the level of their representatives. Surely they should be passing on what they learn, otherwise “involvement” is just a one-way process.
You know what position I hold!! And as a board member of the VSC I have every right to ask questions of the club.
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I don't think I would ever dare to question anyone's rights on here. Although I deduced you had a privileged position I would not have asked what it was if I knew.
It is frustrating to observe the efforts of members of this forum trying to get some clue as to what is going on in club senior management. The Shadow Board reveal nothing and you obviously feel bound by confidentiality. if you can be privy to important moves within the club to address the current problems why cannot the Shadow Board when it seems written into their Terms of Reference?
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SM is nothing to do with Shadow Board, as I understand
No I'm not, not any more at least.
The SB was my idea, it was detailed in the FLR and has since been ratified in the White Paper. However I resigned when I had the temerity to object to the club and SB not doing what it was elected to do, and when I complained I had an email from the club that fell far below any standard I would expect.
Common theme in the club at the moment.
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How do you know?; what I know is there are discussions each month about how to pay the wages and the board are at loggerheads.
Ask SM to confirm that though I doubt he will given how entrenched with the ownership he is.
That's just a complete nonsense, both of your points.
The board are not at loggerheads over salaries (its not even down to them, its the Finance Director and Gavin) and I'm certainly not entrenched by or with anybody.
After 23 years of battling for supporters rights I doubt I'd give up my reputation for stupid innuendos like you trot out.
This looks like an answer to me