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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: karldew on March 30, 2023, 09:06:11 pm
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I know a few aren’t on Facebook, so I thought I’d share JRs latest post around 20:00.
“We really need a win on Saturday as Crewe are if anything worse than us.However the situation is dire and changes need tobe made.Over the years Terry as done well investing many millions so who can blame him for not wanting to fund the club when a lot of is money’s has been squandered.The responsibility for this and the general lack of ambition in my opinion lies squarely with the chairman and he should be instantly dismissed as he as presided over abject failure for far to long and I doubt he’s risked any of his own money.Once he’s gone the club as a chance of moving forward.Gavin in my opinion does a good job bringing in badly needed funds.If nothing happens soon we will be staring at a return to non league football and it took 5years last time to get back it could be terminal this time you only have to look at Scunthorpe or York.Time for action to save our club.“
Not sure if that’s him interested, if he’s wanting someone to tap him on the shoulder and support him? Or if it’s just a cry for help because like us he can’t do much about it either.
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He's right. The chairman has been awful
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Blunt as Ken Richardson incarnate.. looks like the firestarter.. needs to go. The buck stops with the Chairman.
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I thought JR had better grammar can’t argue with the sentiment
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Didnt he post recently that his account had been hacked? I might be way off in my thinking but the grammar wasn’t that of a successful multi millionaire businessman. Not sure he would publicly demand the sacking of the chairman?
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Reads like it’s been written by a five year old. I doubt that’s real, and if it is then I hope he’s okay. JR was a smart and articulate guy.
That doesn’t mean I disagree with the sentiment, though.
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Didnt he post recently that his account had been hacked? I might be way off in my thinking but the grammar wasn’t that of a successful multi millionaire businessman. Not sure he would publicly demand the sacking of the chairman?
I think the hacking was more somebody impersonating him. They were sending out friend requests on another account by the looks of things
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It strikes me as a bit of, the bloke who has my job now is shit, especially compared to me.
He needs to let it go. He blew it but still retains alot of good will. If he keeps taking shots like this it will eventually evapourate
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Reads like it’s been written by a five year old. I doubt that’s real, and if it is then I hope he’s okay. JR was a smart and articulate guy.
That doesn’t mean I disagree with the sentiment, though.
I agree with the sentiment too. Just not sure about the delivery or the language
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It strikes me as a bit of, the bloke who has my job now is shit, especially compared to me.
He needs to let it go. He blew it but still retains alot of good will. If he keeps taking shots like this it will eventually evapourate
Blew it? No matter what mistakes he made he never saw oversaw us take a massive drop like we have in the past 3 seasons.
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It strikes me as a bit of, the bloke who has my job now is shit, especially compared to me.
He needs to let it go. He blew it but still retains alot of good will. If he keeps taking shots like this it will eventually evapourate
Why will it evaporate? We all know that Blunt's sh*t as a chairman.
It's also notable that JR was very complimentary to Terry.
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Didnt he post recently that his account had been hacked? I might be way off in my thinking but the grammar wasn’t that of a successful multi millionaire businessman. Not sure he would publicly demand the sacking of the chairman?
I'm "friends" with JR on Facebook, and I have to say the grammar on that post is consistent with what else he posts.
But grammar aside, the message he is putting across is clearly resonating with a lot of the fanbase right now.
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It strikes me as a bit of, the bloke who has my job now is shit, especially compared to me.
He needs to let it go. He blew it but still retains alot of good will. If he keeps taking shots like this it will eventually evapourate
I disagree. It's commendable he speaks out. Enough is enough. It's Blunt who needs to evaporate.. the sooner the better.
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I'm also friends with JR on Facebook and his use of grammar is not one of his strong points.
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Ryan wanted to flog us off to a dodgy hedge fund and foisted the 'Experiment' on us designed by Willie McKay. Yes Ryan was the talisman back in the dark days but that was in contrast to Richardson who was a criminal and gangster!!! JR, in my opinion is an iffy businessman just like all of them. Ludicrous breast implants that nobody really needs is a shocking way to make your millions. I really want us to be independent of all those kind of characters.
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Well, it's certainly gone tits up since he left us.
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Like him or not for some things he did, you'll not find many disagreeing with his post.
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Ryan wanted to flog us off to a dodgy hedge fund and foisted the 'Experiment' on us designed by Willie McKay. Yes Ryan was the talisman back in the dark days but that was in contrast to Richardson who was a criminal and gangster!!! JR, in my opinion is an iffy businessman just like all of them. Ludicrous breast implants that nobody really needs is a shocking way to make your millions. I really want us to be independent of all those kind of characters.
Bit harsh… “iffy businessman like all the rest” how would you know that? Just because you dont rate his product or service doesn’t make him iffy. Im sure he will have some enemies and skeletons but if you think you are going to find a future owner with the funding needed whos whiter than white then you are naive
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There aren't many football club benefactors who are 'whiter than white'. It's not the model for football club ownership that I want. Do you? Why should it be a who's got the most money competition? Go and get the Glazers or the Saudi Govt or whoever.
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Ryan wanted to flog us off to a dodgy hedge fund and foisted the 'Experiment' on us designed by Willie McKay. Yes Ryan was the talisman back in the dark days but that was in contrast to Richardson who was a criminal and gangster!!! JR, in my opinion is an iffy businessman just like all of them. Ludicrous breast implants that nobody really needs is a shocking way to make your millions. I really want us to be independent of all those kind of characters.
Bit harsh… “iffy businessman like all the rest” how would you know that? Just because you dont rate his product or service doesn’t make him iffy. Im sure he will have some enemies and skeletons but if you think you are going to find a future owner with the funding needed whos whiter than white then you are naive
Lying to the DFP during one takeover attempt and then lying to Rovers fans during the second takeover attempt makes him publicly iffy.
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No matter what happened during the take over attempt the facts remain we have been going backwards for the last few years and numerous bad choices for managers have seen us drop like a stone. The rot has to stop. If nothing changes we will struggle to stay up next season.
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I thought JR had better grammar can’t argue with the sentiment
Agreed
..... I year above me at Danum. He would have learned the difference between "as" and "has" also "is" and "his" for a starter not to mention "to" for "too"
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Ryan wanted to flog us off to a dodgy hedge fund and foisted the 'Experiment' on us designed by Willie McKay. Yes Ryan was the talisman back in the dark days but that was in contrast to Richardson who was a criminal and gangster!!! JR, in my opinion is an iffy businessman just like all of them. Ludicrous breast implants that nobody really needs is a shocking way to make your millions. I really want us to be independent of all those kind of characters.
Bit harsh… “iffy businessman like all the rest” how would you know that? Just because you dont rate his product or service doesn’t make him iffy. Im sure he will have some enemies and skeletons but if you think you are going to find a future owner with the funding needed whos whiter than white then you are naive
Lying to the DFP during one takeover attempt and then lying to Rovers fans during the second takeover attempt makes him publicly iffy.
Focus on the here and now. His post is valid.
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Nice to see JR is keeping himself “abreast” of all things rovers.
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I always felt that when JR was Chairman he embodied passion and that there was a good feel and it no doubt rubbed off on the players, management, fans etc.
In terms of the 'experiment' and the hedge fund business I think he was just trying to keep us alive in the Championship and that he could see us falling away from there. Which inevitably we have.
I have been highly in support of the strategy the board are taking now but unfortunately I am seeing more and more frustration with the fan base and that maybe League 2 is probably where we are more likely to stay unless we get shrewd transfer recruitment and the manager correct.
Don't really buy the argument about grammar part because some people do, some people don't it doesn't make them any less intelligent even if they can't read, write etc.
I think fans have to accept us returning to the Championship is unrealistic unless things change.
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It strikes me as a bit of, the bloke who has my job now is shit, especially compared to me.
He needs to let it go. He blew it but still retains alot of good will. If he keeps taking shots like this it will eventually evapourate
It strikes me of your reply fans are in denial, you cannot deny that things were so much better when he was Chairman.
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Grammar aside you can’t disagree with the sentiment of the post, Blunt is 100% to blame for the rapid decline on the pitch
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Grammar aside you can’t disagree with the sentiment of the post, Blunt is 100% to blame for the rapid decline on the pitch
100% this. And to those who say he lost the plot/was disingenuous at the end of his tenure I'd be inclined to agree however I think it was out of desperation to keep the dream alive. Nefarious outsiders like McKay et al could see how desperate JR was and people like that will prey on the weakness to get their own way. If Blunt showed 1% of the desire that JR had we wouldn't be in this mess but he really doesn't appear to give a hoot.
I heard a while back that when asked how he felt about relegation his reply was along the lines of "It doesn't matter to me, the fans will keep turning up." There's his ambition and empathy in a nutshell.
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Well if that's true Mike then let him watch us all drift away.
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These fans that are slagging him off were back in the day singing “one John Ryan” at every game. Fickle.
He is a fan just like the rest of us and is worried about the state of the club again just like the rest of us!
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If grammar is such an important attribute for a football club Chairman maybe the club should offer Suzie Dent the role.
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Ryan wanted to flog us off to a dodgy hedge fund and foisted the 'Experiment' on us designed by Willie McKay. Yes Ryan was the talisman back in the dark days but that was in contrast to Richardson who was a criminal and gangster!!! JR, in my opinion is an iffy businessman just like all of them. Ludicrous breast implants that nobody really needs is a shocking way to make your millions. I really want us to be independent of all those kind of characters.
So all business men are dodgy? Think that’s one heck of a statement. Think you should withdraw that & I am sure you didn’t mean that. Hopefully.
There are tens of thousands of very decent business men & women in the UK.
Now I don’t know JR personally but he started a business from scratch. He obviously did his homework on whether there was a demand for that service.
It’s a significantly large industry so obviously there is a demand. Now whether it’s ethical or not I don’t know. It is Legal if the industry standards are followed.
I don’t think it is right to criticise JR for being an entrepreneur is it. Don’t remember anyone disapproving when he saved us from oblivion and when his vision and determination took our Club into the Championship on that magical day in May 2008
Yes JR was desperate to not only keep the Club in the 2nd tier but wanted to give the club the opportunity to go to the Premier League.
He didn’t have the funds to achieve that so he tried to find some way of achieving it.
Yes it was a path he shouldn’t have tried to take. Fortunately it never happened and I would imagine we have Bramall & Watson to thank for that. That obviously precipitated the big fall out between JR & TB/DW
I am very sure when JR looks back on that time, he will have major regrets about Sequentia, and knows he made a massive error of judgement along with the experiment which was just an act of desperation. It was badly thought out although I am quite sure was done with the right motives.
Yes JR left the club in a bit of a cloud and he got it badly wrong at the end of his tenure but we should next never forget what he did in saving DRFC & what was achieved while owner of this club.
By heck we could do with some of his vision and enthusiasm at the Club right now.
What we do have is a Chairman who we hear not one squeak from. One who doesn’t even looks as though he wishes to be at the MTO meetings. One who shows no empathy with the fan base.
We have a Chairman who has presided over dismal failure and seems disinterested in changing anything to arrest the alarming slide on the playing field.
TB appointed him Chairman presumably because he has an astute business head. I don’t think TB expected to see all the money he has provided to be frittered away on desperately poor Managerial, Coaching and Player recruitment.
TB is probably thinking do I really want to throw any more significant funds into what he may see as a black hole.
Who is responsible. Now I am not looking for scapegoats and more than one person will have been culpable for our demise. Many errors have been made.
The fact is the buck stops with the Chair and that person is DB
Is it time for a change? We certainly need a change of direction. We need some investment, that investment is required to get some real recruitment done this summer. An experienced Manager & Assistant/Coach to replace Schofield & Gribble. Far too big a risk to keep a coach who is so blinkered to his “process” a playing method which is flawed at League 2 level.
Some serious player recruitment that will give that Manager the best possible opportunity to finish top 3 next season.
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Now I don’t know JR personally but he started a business from scratch. He obviously did his homework on whether there was a demand for that service.
It’s a significantly large industry so obviously there is a demand. Now whether it’s ethical or not I don’t know. It is Legal if the industry standards are followed.
Not that it matters a great deal (or at all) in the context of the discussion but just to make a correction on that point it's my understanding that JR was employed by Transform and bought his way into the business, eventually taking over so he didn't start it from scratch but he did take on a big personal risk through the MBO.
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Ryan wanted to flog us off to a dodgy hedge fund and foisted the 'Experiment' on us designed by Willie McKay. Yes Ryan was the talisman back in the dark days but that was in contrast to Richardson who was a criminal and gangster!!! JR, in my opinion is an iffy businessman just like all of them. Ludicrous breast implants that nobody really needs is a shocking way to make your millions. I really want us to be independent of all those kind of characters.
That was purely his dream to take us to the Premiership, it did backfire but it was his dream, he tried
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If grammar is such an important attribute for a football club Chairman maybe the club should offer Suzie Dent the role.
Yes please
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If grammar is such an important attribute for a football club Chairman maybe the club should offer Suzie Dent the role.
Or Kelsey!
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As I've said before, it may be justified to solely blame John Ryan for bringing McKay to the club, and its subsequent failure, but would he have been given all the credit if the experiment had been successful?
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These fans that are slagging him off were back in the day singing “one John Ryan” at every game. Fickle.
He is a fan just like the rest of us and is worried about the state of the club again just like the rest of us!
I never sang ‘one John Ryan’, although I certainly respect some of what he did for the club.
But, we shouldn’t ignore the negative things, like threatening supporters with libel, the experiment, the playing himself thing, the VC firm takeovers, and the constant stream of over the top pronouncements (both positive and negative). I was always worried about his temperament and felt he was one strop away from leaving us in the lurch…which eventually happened.
Despite what the ‘internet thinks’, two things can be true at once. He did really good things, and some less than good things in my opinion.
You don’t need to break everything down to for or against.
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These fans that are slagging him off were back in the day singing “one John Ryan” at every game. Fickle.
He is a fan just like the rest of us and is worried about the state of the club again just like the rest of us!
I never sang ‘one John Ryan’, although I certainly respect some of what he did for the club.
But, we shouldn’t ignore the negative things, like threatening supporters with libel, the experiment, the playing himself thing, the VC firm takeovers, and the constant stream of over the top pronouncements (both positive and negative). I was always worried about his temperament and felt he was one strop away from leaving us in the lurch…which eventually happened.
Despite what the ‘internet thinks’, two things can be true at once. He did really good things, and some less than good things in my opinion.
You don’t need to break everything down to for or against.
he didn't leave us in the lurch thou, he left us in a far better position than we are in now
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What would have happened if the current owners hadn’t stepped up at that point?
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How many current owners do we now have at the club that were owners back then?
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Just the one BB
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What would have happened if the current owners hadn’t stepped up at that point?
Only one of them did.
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Ok, I should have said ‘other’ owners, it doesn’t change the fact that JR could have facilitated a big crash when he left, if third parties had decided not to step up.
Just to clarify, the use of ‘current’ was just a summary term, not a comment in support of them.
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These fans that are slagging him off were back in the day singing “one John Ryan” at every game. Fickle.
He is a fan just like the rest of us and is worried about the state of the club again just like the rest of us!
I never sang ‘one John Ryan’, although I certainly respect some of what he did for the club.
But, we shouldn’t ignore the negative things, like threatening supporters with libel, the experiment, the playing himself thing, the VC firm takeovers, and the constant stream of over the top pronouncements (both positive and negative). I was always worried about his temperament and felt he was one strop away from leaving us in the lurch…which eventually happened.
Despite what the ‘internet thinks’, two things can be true at once. He did really good things, and some less than good things in my opinion.
You don’t need to break everything down to for or against.
he didn't leave us in the lurch thou, he left us in a far better position than we are in now
That's debatable. Financially we are in a much more secure position.
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We certainly had a far better squad and that’s not debatable! ;)
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Telling the truth isn't 'slagging off' JR. It's just that some of us aren't blinded by his halo to his flaws.
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Ryan wanted to flog us off to a dodgy hedge fund and foisted the 'Experiment' on us designed by Willie McKay. Yes Ryan was the talisman back in the dark days but that was in contrast to Richardson who was a criminal and gangster!!! JR, in my opinion is an iffy businessman just like all of them. Ludicrous breast implants that nobody really needs is a shocking way to make your millions. I really want us to be independent of all those kind of characters.
That was purely his dream to take us to the Premiership, it did backfire but it was his dream, he tried
Exactly this, he had his faults, & yes got it wrong at the end. But the man is a legend, & I will be forever grateful for the times I for one had, during his time with us. It was a brilliant ride & THE best time to be a Rovers fan.
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Ryan wanted to flog us off to a dodgy hedge fund and foisted the 'Experiment' on us designed by Willie McKay. Yes Ryan was the talisman back in the dark days but that was in contrast to Richardson who was a criminal and gangster!!! JR, in my opinion is an iffy businessman just like all of them. Ludicrous breast implants that nobody really needs is a shocking way to make your millions. I really want us to be independent of all those kind of characters.
So Terry Bramhall and Dick Watson are/was Iffy businessmen?
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Telling the truth isn't 'slagging off' JR. It's just that some of us aren't blinded by his halo to his flaws.
Funnily enough those same people think this current board can do no wrong….
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Ryan wanted to flog us off to a dodgy hedge fund and foisted the 'Experiment' on us designed by Willie McKay. Yes Ryan was the talisman back in the dark days but that was in contrast to Richardson who was a criminal and gangster!!! JR, in my opinion is an iffy businessman just like all of them. Ludicrous breast implants that nobody really needs is a shocking way to make your millions. I really want us to be independent of all those kind of characters.
That was purely his dream to take us to the Premiership, it did backfire but it was his dream, he tried
Exactly this, he had his faults, & yes got it wrong at the end. But the man is a legend, & I will be forever grateful for the times I for one had, during his time with us. It was a brilliant ride & THE best time to be a Rovers fan.
I wonder how many Forest fans say exactly the same about Brian Clough.....
"He had his faults, & yes got it wrong at the end. But the man is a legend, & I will be forever grateful for the times I for one had, during his time with us. It was a brilliant ride & THE best time to be a Forest fan."
I wonder how many Forest fans instead gloat over Clough's last season in charge.
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We certainly had a far better squad and that’s not debatable! ;)
Also this chairman is presiding over a dwindling fan base, that's not debatable either. Wonder how that will effect the finances, mind you we could always bring a friend.
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Well if that's true Mike then let him watch us all drift away.
I agree Mike but he didn't do himself any good sitting with the fans at Barnsley a demotivation for the players. A bit selfish in my opinion.
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Telling the truth isn't 'slagging off' JR. It's just that some of us aren't blinded by his halo to his flaws.
Funnily enough those same people think this current board can do no wrong….
It's a good job I'm not one of them, then, isn't it?
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Sorry I was on the wrong page I was referring to Mikes statement on John Ryan.
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Ryan wanted to flog us off to a dodgy hedge fund and foisted the 'Experiment' on us designed by Willie McKay. Yes Ryan was the talisman back in the dark days but that was in contrast to Richardson who was a criminal and gangster!!! JR, in my opinion is an iffy businessman just like all of them. Ludicrous breast implants that nobody really needs is a shocking way to make your millions. I really want us to be independent of all those kind of characters.
That was purely his dream to take us to the Premiership, it did backfire but it was his dream, he tried
Exactly this, he had his faults, & yes got it wrong at the end. But the man is a legend, & I will be forever grateful for the times I for one had, during his time with us. It was a brilliant ride & THE best time to be a Rovers fan.
I wonder how many Forest fans say exactly the same about Brian Clough.....
"He had his faults, & yes got it wrong at the end. But the man is a legend, & I will be forever grateful for the times I for one had, during his time with us. It was a brilliant ride & THE best time to be a Forest fan."
I wonder how many Forest fans instead gloat over Clough's last season in charge.
I don't recall Cloughy barefacedly lying to the Forest fans but I'm willing to be corrected.
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We certainly had a far better squad and that’s not debatable! ;)
Also this chairman is presiding over a dwindling fan base, that's not debatable either. Wonder how that will effect the finances, mind you we could always bring a friend.Telling the truth isn't 'slagging off' JR. It's just that some of us aren't blinded by his halo to his flaws.
Don't think there are many blinded to be fair, maybe some more appreciative for what he did for us, which far outweighed his shortcomings in my opinion.
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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did too. But the last thing I want for Rovers is a Chairman who lies to the fans, no matter how charismatic he is.
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Don't think J.R. is wanting to be Chairman again,I think he is frustrated and hurting like the rest of us,and shocked at how far we have fallen performance wise,in league standing and entertainment wise on the pitch etc,I think he is saying,something needs to change,higher up than the team manager,not TB,but the current chairman,but not for him to comeback,just we need to try and find a better chairman now.
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These fans that are slagging him off were back in the day singing “one John Ryan” at every game. Fickle.
He is a fan just like the rest of us and is worried about the state of the club again just like the rest of us!
I never sang ‘one John Ryan’, although I certainly respect some of what he did for the club.
But, we shouldn’t ignore the negative things, like threatening supporters with libel, the experiment, the playing himself thing, the VC firm takeovers, and the constant stream of over the top pronouncements (both positive and negative). I was always worried about his temperament and felt he was one strop away from leaving us in the lurch…which eventually happened.
Despite what the ‘internet thinks’, two things can be true at once. He did really good things, and some less than good things in my opinion.
You don’t need to break everything down to for or against.
He left allowing TB and DW to take full control of the reigns because basically,they could not agree how to take the club forward and how to run it,different opinions,different ideals,further more he wrote off his loans,that is NOT leaving us in the lurch,If he left us with no one else responsible enough to take control then that would be leaving us in the lurch! He made some mistakes,especially close to him leaving,but we all do,he doe'snt deserve to be persecuted at any easy chance,as neither does Terry Bramhall.
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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did too. But the last thing I want for Rovers is a Chairman who lies to the fans, no matter how charismatic he is.
have we not got a chairman now that tells little porkies about the budget
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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did too. But the last thing I want for Rovers is a Chairman who lies to the fans, no matter how charismatic he is.
have we not got a chairman now that tells little porkies about the budget
Possibly! and not aware of any charisma either
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“Having just been made aware of the Viking sites criticism of myself from grammar to iffy business man all I can say is shame Andy Liney is no longer with us.Just remember 4 promotions including 2 titles and beating Leesds at wembley plus winning Johnson Paints at Cardiff all under my 15 years as Chairman not bad and yet all they can see is negatives.No wonder noone seems interested in DRFC”
Another update from JR after the post yesterday :chair:
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These fans that are slagging him off were back in the day singing “one John Ryan” at every game. Fickle.
He is a fan just like the rest of us and is worried about the state of the club again just like the rest of us!
I never sang ‘one John Ryan’, although I certainly respect some of what he did for the club.
But, we shouldn’t ignore the negative things, like threatening supporters with libel, the experiment, the playing himself thing, the VC firm takeovers, and the constant stream of over the top pronouncements (both positive and negative). I was always worried about his temperament and felt he was one strop away from leaving us in the lurch…which eventually happened.
Despite what the ‘internet thinks’, two things can be true at once. He did really good things, and some less than good things in my opinion.
You don’t need to break everything down to for or against.
He left allowing TB and DW to take full control of the reigns because basically,they could not agree how to take the club forward and how to run it,different opinions,different ideals,further more he wrote off his loans,that is NOT leaving us in the lurch,If he left us with no one else responsible enough to take control then that would be leaving us in the lurch! He made some mistakes,especially close to him leaving,but we all do,he doe'snt deserve to be persecuted at any easy chance,as neither does Terry Bramhall.
Allowing? I think you mean leaving them to try and sort out the mess left after the "experiment"
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Let's be honest 17 VSC members don't represent DRFC or whatever the pathetic amount is these days.
Should have a section on this forum for all those in denial about the plonkers running this club into the ground.
For everyone criticising his grammar, how is your bank balance and life this morning in comparison to his?
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And therein lies the thing with JR he puts out a second post about him. He just has to be divisive and let his ego get in the way. Where's he been since he lost control of the club? How many games has he attended?
He made a great point on the current predicament yesterday and that gets lost by making something about himself and "his" achievements (conveniently forgetting the current owners put in substantially for all that).
He has as much of an ability and answer to it as the rest of us, none!
He has a good legacy, despite the issues towards the end. He should leave it as that before he taints it further.
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Ryan wanted to flog us off to a dodgy hedge fund and foisted the 'Experiment' on us designed by Willie McKay. Yes Ryan was the talisman back in the dark days but that was in contrast to Richardson who was a criminal and gangster!!! JR, in my opinion is an iffy businessman just like all of them. Ludicrous breast implants that nobody really needs is a shocking way to make your millions. I really want us to be independent of all those kind of characters.
I take it then that you're happy with Blunt as Chairman?
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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did too. But the last thing I want for Rovers is a Chairman who lies to the fans, no matter how charismatic he is.
"We'll bounce back decisively"
You mean truthful statements like that?
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With just 1 point from the first 7 games that season, and with the lowest budget in the league, I think, call it experiment or anything you like, something needed doing drastically.
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OK, guys, I'll tell you what's gone wrong with this thread. It's been made into a synopsis of the character and personality of JR.
What it's really about is whether or not his comments about Blunt being a poor chairman are correct.
I think the vast majority of Rovers fans on here and elsewhere will agree that JR is spot on.
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And therein lies the thing with JR he puts out a second post about him. He just has to be divisive and let his ego get in the way. Where's he been since he lost control of the club? How many games has he attended?
He made a great point on the current predicament yesterday and that gets lost by making something about himself and "his" achievements (conveniently forgetting the current owners put in substantially for all that).
He has as much of an ability and answer to it as the rest of us, none!
He has a good legacy, despite the issues towards the end. He should leave it as that before he taints it further.
ONE of the current owners put in a substantial amount. That cannot be said of the other 2!!
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They’re employees of the club, why would they?
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They’re employees of the club, why would they?
Well they do own just under a third each so it is a fair point. But they're meaningless shares really unless the club is sold then they could if it sold for money (unlikely) be in a good position.
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As a Rovers fan you'd have to be the most extraordinary ingrate to criticise John Ryan.
After where he took the club from and to; all the money he invested; all the success he oversaw; and all the great times we as Rovers fans enjoyed thanks to his investment, ambition and leadership.
Sorry for any offence but a minority of you are just coming across as a bunch of ungrateful pillocks IMO.
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As a Rovers fan you'd have to be the most extraordinary ingrate to criticise John Ryan.
After where he took the club from and to; all the money he invested; all the success he oversaw; and all the great times we as Rovers fans enjoyed thanks to his investment, ambition and leadership.
Sorry for any offence but a minority of you are just coming across as a bunch of ungrateful pillocks IMO.
I haven't seen anyone be ungrateful for the good times, where have you been looking?
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It's all kicked off on the Facebook site. This forum is getting a bit of a bashing.
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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did too. But the last thing I want for Rovers is a Chairman who lies to the fans, no matter how charismatic he is.
Would you rather a complete mute who is currently driving our beloved club into the ground for a chairman then?
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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did too. But the last thing I want for Rovers is a Chairman who lies to the fans, no matter how charismatic he is.
Would you rather a complete mute who is currently driving our beloved club into the ground for a chairman then?
Since when has it been either/or?
How about suggesting which current EFL Chairman you'd like ours to be like?
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In those comments John seems to be conflating this site as a whole with the entire VSC organisation. Clearly that's not true as many of us post on here without being VSC members or alligned with the views of the VSC.
Having said that, I've only just remembered how much he apprently dislikes the VSC, presumably because they opposed him on the sale and the proposed takeover. The comment about Andy Liney seems very pointed and from the general tone of that post, he's clearly still bitter towards the VSC in its current form. Time doesn't seem to have been a great healer in this case!
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Said it before and I will say it again, I think John Ryan's most long lasting legacy will be the division of the fan base over the way he left.
Good luck with the policy of attacking the current owners because you never wanted him to leave. Because you always give the people slagging you off what they want don't you.
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He’s a great man who did great things and in that period from 1998 to 2006 carried the burden with Peter Wetzel and delivered huge success and let’s not forget with others, convinced DMBC to deliver us a brand new stadium free of charge. Some of the success came through money but most of it through sheer force of will, enthusiasm, energy and passion.
As I’ve said before, he was a great man for us but even the greatest men are flawed.
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Are theses posts actually coming from JR himself.
Do we have evidence they are.
If his Twitter account has been hacked as someone said it had then how do we know this is not an impersonator.
I am a little sceptical that this is JR posting personally.
I think we need evidence before we make any comments on his supposed thoughts and opinions.
One thing we do know is he will be looking at the current situation with a great deal of sadness as he is a genuine fan just the same as we all are.
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I don’t think we should be getting obsessed with what JR is or is not saying.
What I think we should be focused on is the deafening silence coming from our current Chairman.
We need action from him, not a few empty words with no substance at MTO meetings twice a year.
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In those comments John seems to be conflating this site as a whole with the entire VSC organisation. Clearly that's not true as many of us post on here without being VSC members or alligned with the views of the VSC.
Having said that, I've only just remembered how much he apprently dislikes the VSC, presumably because they opposed him on the sale and the proposed takeover. The comment about Andy Liney seems very pointed and from the general tone of that post, he's clearly still bitter towards the VSC in its current form. Time doesn't seem to have been a great healer in this case!
Yes, quite an irony when the vast majority of comments on this forum and thread are supportive of him. Not the first time he's attempted to slur some of those who were his greatest supporters just because the VSC as an organisation sought the truth and asked questions about the validity of the takeovers. Much of the discrediting of TB & the VSC at the time came from a certain Irish tactical mastermind in business of course. They both had ample opportunity to come clean and tell all fans the truth but chose to 'mislead' instead.
The fanning of those flames doesn't help the current situation particularly from those who can't wait to tell John "Look what their saying about you".
He's very welcome to put his opinions forward like the rest of us but how is it helping apart from stoking up the toxicity against one man?
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Some of the comments towards JR on here IMO are disgraceful, no chairman is perfect but I think I speak for most on here that we’d do anything to have the JR days back. He had ambition, he had vision and it’s no coincidence we had lots of success in his tenure.
Anyone slating JR must have short memories and should be ashamed of themselves
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In those comments John seems to be conflating this site as a whole with the entire VSC organisation. Clearly that's not true as many of us post on here without being VSC members or alligned with the views of the VSC.
Having said that, I've only just remembered how much he apprently dislikes the VSC, presumably because they opposed him on the sale and the proposed takeover. The comment about Andy Liney seems very pointed and from the general tone of that post, he's clearly still bitter towards the VSC in its current form. Time doesn't seem to have been a great healer in this case!
Yes, quite an irony when the vast majority of comments on this forum and thread are supportive of him. Not the first time he's attempted to slur some of those who were his greatest supporters just because the VSC as an organisation sought the truth and asked questions about the validity of the takeovers. Much of the discrediting of TB & the VSC at the time came from a certain Irish tactical mastermind in business of course. They both had ample opportunity to come clean and tell all fans the truth but chose to 'mislead' instead.
The fanning of those flames doesn't help the current situation particularly from those who can't wait to tell John "Look what their saying about you".
He's very welcome to put his opinions forward like the rest of us but how is it helping apart from stoking up the toxicity against one man?
I reckon if I'd forked out millions of my own money to resurrect the club and get it to the highest position in 50 years, just to see it decline back towards its original lowest position, I'd be so much more pissed off even than I am now, as a mere season ticket holder.
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In those comments John seems to be conflating this site as a whole with the entire VSC organisation. Clearly that's not true as many of us post on here without being VSC members or alligned with the views of the VSC.
Having said that, I've only just remembered how much he apprently dislikes the VSC, presumably because they opposed him on the sale and the proposed takeover. The comment about Andy Liney seems very pointed and from the general tone of that post, he's clearly still bitter towards the VSC in its current form. Time doesn't seem to have been a great healer in this case!
Yes, quite an irony when the vast majority of comments on this forum and thread are supportive of him. Not the first time he's attempted to slur some of those who were his greatest supporters just because the VSC as an organisation sought the truth and asked questions about the validity of the takeovers. Much of the discrediting of TB & the VSC at the time came from a certain Irish tactical mastermind in business of course. They both had ample opportunity to come clean and tell all fans the truth but chose to 'mislead' instead.
The fanning of those flames doesn't help the current situation particularly from those who can't wait to tell John "Look what their saying about you".
He's very welcome to put his opinions forward like the rest of us but how is it helping apart from stoking up the toxicity against one man?
I reckon if I'd forked out millions of my own money to resurrect the club and get it to the highest position in 50 years, just to see it decline back towards its original lowest position, I'd be so much more pissed off even than I am now, as a mere season ticket holder.
I agree with you but there's no need for him to tar you, me and everyone else on this forum with the same brush. That's just a side show. It's disappointing and unnecessary.
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Most of our success was built on the money of three men which JR's disciples conveniently forget. I'm pretty sure the experiment started as JR could no longer afford to put his share in anymore. Don't forget TB did resign as a director for a while as he was annoyed at JR blowing all TB's money on very high wages.
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Who forgets? JR openly admitted he couldn't afford to take the club any further on his own, isn't that why he got TB & DW on board?
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Some of the comments towards JR on here IMO are disgraceful, no chairman is perfect but I think I speak for most on here that we’d do anything to have the JR days back. He had ambition, he had vision and it’s no coincidence we had lots of success in his tenure.
Anyone slating JR must have short memories and should be ashamed of themselves
The problem is that you don't know what he did and how he did it, but plenty do.
Its not about having a short memory, its about remembering how much damage he was prepared to do to have his own way. People like me were facing bankruptcy because of his Irish pals.
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Someone get Louis on the blower. He'd need someone as Chairman (not JR) but he should have comfortably enough nowadays to keep us going forward.
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Someone get Louis on the blower. He'd need someone as Chairman (not JR) but he should have comfortably enough nowadays to keep us going forward.
Youngblud is a Rovers fan as well, he’ll have a few bob
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Some of the comments towards JR on here IMO are disgraceful, no chairman is perfect but I think I speak for most on here that we’d do anything to have the JR days back. He had ambition, he had vision and it’s no coincidence we had lots of success in his tenure.
Anyone slating JR must have short memories and should be ashamed of themselves
The problem is that you don't know what he did and how he did it, but plenty do.
Its not about having a short memory, its about remembering how much damage he was prepared to do to have his own way. People like me were facing bankruptcy because of his Irish pals.
Ah...so its all about you and your pals, makes sense now.
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Someone get Louis on the blower. He'd need someone as Chairman (not JR) but he should have comfortably enough nowadays to keep us going forward.
I wonder what Louis thinks of JR...
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With just 1 point from the first 7 games that season, and with the lowest budget in the league, I think, call it experiment or anything you like, something needed doing drastically.
I hate to upset you by pointing out facts, but O'Driscoll himself said at the outset to that season that, for the first time, he had a competitive budget in the Championship
Given the defence he'd put together on that budget, it struck me at the time that he was loading the bullets himself in the pearl-handled revolver.
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So, who had a lower budget than Rovers in the Championship that season?
And besides that, With just 1 point from the first 7 games that season, I think, call it experiment or anything you like, something needed doing drastically.
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It's quite amusing to read the hundreds of replies to John though and try and spot any Rovers connections. I've spotted Simon Shaw, Dave Harle, Chris Brown and Miles Cartwright so far who've all commented.
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Some of the comments towards JR on here IMO are disgraceful, no chairman is perfect but I think I speak for most on here that we’d do anything to have the JR days back. He had ambition, he had vision and it’s no coincidence we had lots of success in his tenure.
Anyone slating JR must have short memories and should be ashamed of themselves
The problem is that you don't know what he did and how he did it, but plenty do.
Its not about having a short memory, its about remembering how much damage he was prepared to do to have his own way. People like me were facing bankruptcy because of his Irish pals.
Ah...so its all about you and your pals, makes sense now.
If by pals you mean Louis Tomlinson's solicitors, and the EFL then yes, we were all singing from the same song sheet saying it would be a disaster.
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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did too. But the last thing I want for Rovers is a Chairman who lies to the fans, no matter how charismatic he is.
have we not got a chairman now that tells little porkies about the budget
Possibly! and not aware of any charisma either
Comparing John Ryan & David Blunt? One has more enthusiasm in his little finger.
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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did too. But the last thing I want for Rovers is a Chairman who lies to the fans, no matter how charismatic he is.
have we not got a chairman now that tells little porkies about the budget
Possibly! and not aware of any charisma either
Comparing John Ryan & David Blunt? One has more enthusiasm in his little finger.
No one could have missed that, could they?
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It's quite amusing to read the hundreds of replies to John though and try and spot any Rovers connections. I've spotted Simon Shaw, Dave Harle, Chris Brown and Miles Cartwright so far who've all commented.
I take it that all these replies are on Facebook, I’m not so is there anyway of viewing them without being on Facebook
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Wonder if JR has maintained the dubbin on his boots....
He could come out of retirement for his 20 year anniversary (of his last appearance) at home to Colchester on 25 April 2023........... he would be just days of 73 years old mind.
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“Celebrating Rovers promotion next season thanks to Terry’s millions” attached to a picture of him holding a pint.
A bit tongue in cheek I’d imagine :lol:
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He's always complimentary of Terry and Baldwin. It's Blunt I get the impression he can't stand.
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A bit like lots of the other fan base then.