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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Ronnie Dovers on April 01, 2023, 10:44:25 am
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I actually came on here this morning to post my thoughts on DB, before seeing the JR thread, his opinions and the consequent derailing of that thread. So I just thought I'd start my own, with the opinions I came on here initially to air.
I place the vast majority of blame for our recent decline on DB. He has overseen abject failure over a sustained period. But here's why I really don't like him:
Last season, Gavin Baldwin become the target of abuse from the reactionary part of our fanbase. Some of it was very personal, and way out of line. Those of us who take the time and effort to inform ourselves know that GB is considered to be huge asset to the club. The commercial side of the club, which he runs, has gone from strength to strength under him. We also know he has no direct, final say in setting budgets, or other footballing decisions. Yet when he was made a scapegoat, did our chairman, the man in charge of our whole operation, step forward to defend GB? To explain that he's done a great job for the club, that he isn't to blame for on field decline? No, he kept quiet, and happily let GB be his human shield.
Skip to this season, and DB starts it with his bouncing back decisively comment, which increasingly looks at best deluded, or at worst a blatant lie. Now let's assume Copps, a club legend now in charge of the football operation, took that role on a similar understanding that we'd have a budget to compete right at the top of this league. When we then seemingly start underperforming in this league, now it's Copps (and GM/DS) taking the brunt of fan frustration. DB is now using a club legend as his human shield. But what we now know is that we actually have a mid table budget. So are we actually underperforming sat in 12th? Is Copps actually doing a bad job, and is he to blame? Or is our chairman once again staying quiet whilst another member of his staff, this time a club legend who is undoubtedly trying their absolute best, becomes his scapegoat?
This is all purely my opinion from the outside looking in over the last couple of years. It's not a comment on DS, his appointment, our recruitment, our style of play, JR's opinion, or anything else. It's purely about our overall decline over the last 2 years. I'm just interested to see who agrees or disagrees, and why.
Personally I think getting rid of DB is the first step on our road to recovery.
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He’s the invisible man. Does he even exist? I actually have no clue what this bloke even looks like.
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It depends on what "success" is and what the "5 year plan" is. If it is to remove football from the stadium then it is going swimmingly, the Rugby Union club must be wringing their hands in anticipation at a ground swap within 2-3 years. If blame is to be allocated I would firmly place it with the owner and his acolytes, all of which would far more prefer to be watching the Knights than waste their Saturdays at a football game.
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I actually came on here this morning to post my thoughts on DB, before seeing the JR thread, his opinions and the consequent derailing of that thread. So I just thought I'd start my own, with the opinions I came on here initially to air.
I place the vast majority of blame for our recent decline on DB. He has overseen abject failure over a sustained period. But here's why I really don't like him:
Last season, Gavin Baldwin become the target of abuse from the reactionary part of our fanbase. Some of it was very personal, and way out of line. Those of us who take the time and effort to inform ourselves know that GB is considered to be huge asset to the club. The commercial side of the club, which he runs, has gone from strength to strength under him. We also know he has no direct, final say in setting budgets, or other footballing decisions. Yet when he was made a scapegoat, did our chairman, the man in charge of our whole operation, step forward to defend GB? To explain that he's done a great job for the club, that he isn't to blame for on field decline? No, he kept quiet, and happily let GB be his human shield.
Skip to this season, and DB starts it with his bouncing back decisively comment, which increasingly looks at best deluded, or at worst a blatant lie. Now let's assume Copps, a club legend now in charge of the football operation, took that role on a similar understanding that we'd have a budget to compete right at the top of this league. When we then seemingly start underperforming in this league, now it's Copps (and GM/DS) taking the brunt of fan frustration. DB is now using a club legend as his human shield. But what we now know is that we actually have a mid table budget. So are we actually underperforming sat in 12th? Is Copps actually doing a bad job, and is he to blame? Or is our chairman once again staying quiet whilst another member of his staff, this time a club legend who is undoubtedly trying their absolute best, becomes his scapegoat?
This is all purely my opinion from the outside looking in over the last couple of years. It's not a comment on DS, his appointment, our recruitment, our style of play, JR's opinion, or anything else. It's purely about our overall decline over the last 2 years. I'm just interested to see who agrees or disagrees, and why.
Personally I think getting rid of DB is the first step on our road to recovery.
I can go with that, a good assesment
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I get why people are looking for a simple scapegoat, given how terrible the football is and has been for some time. One man changing roles is not going to solve anything and one man was not the cause.
We are where we are because of making tough decisions to do what nigh on no other club at this level has managed to do, in making the club standalone financially secure by and large. One outcome of this is that our budget is modest rather than impressive. We don’t require external support.
The second issue is that our modest budget has been used terribly in recent years. Moving some personnel around might help with decisions on this point but the bigger picture isn’t going to change - we have impressive financial security and are not on the hook for the whim and will of a benefactor.
A final point. A good result for us is getting back into League One and staying there. We are not going to be back in the Championship and we are not going to be top half Championship. These are things that are not going to happen so supporters need to get real.
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He’s the invisible man. Does he even exist? I actually have no clue what this bloke even looks like.
I said this to my wife yesterday - if Terry or Gavin knocked on my door I would know who they are and invite them in. If David Blunt did I would send him on his way as I would have no idea who he is
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There is a lot more going wrong than just David Blunt. Nobody would care if the funding was leading to the manager producing a good team with good performances. The link between board to football field isn’t working.
The obsession with trying to balance the books is hurting us on the field. Nobody wants a club in trouble but ambition went down the road a fair few years ago.
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Blunt looks like Alec Gilroy from Coronation street
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Blunt looks like Alec Gilroy from Coronation street
ha ha. Now there’s a blast from the past!!
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Blunt looks like Alec Gilroy from Coronation street
Really. :woot:
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See, i don't get this, "we have a mid table budget so we must compete at a mid level" in this or any other division teams have performed well above their pay grade, its happening right now in all the divisions.
We can all find fault with individuals in the club be it the owner, chairmen, commercial, HOF, coach, players, tea boy. but i think we have to accept that under this regime it will be what they want to happen, so we have to persevere with the chairmen, HOF, coach and these players until such a time that something changes, and that can only happen with the owners agreement.
In the meantime we need all the individuals involved to raise their game, the money side will not be changing any time soon unless its to reduce to even lower levels, so for us the team management need to get their act together and produce something which passes as a football team from now until the seasons end, this will involve the coach having to alter his principles and create the framework for these players to perform, its been too obvious for far too long now that he cannot get his tune out of this club, if we don't adjust our attitude then i can see the team playing its final league matches in an empty stadium.
We all know the board don't want this so some honest truths need to be found and souls need to be searched, in fact they need to do whatever is required to get a tune out of this team before the seasons end.
The summer close season is going to be awful, once again.
After that , who knows?
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I get why people are looking for a simple scapegoat, given how terrible the football is and has been for some time. One man changing roles is not going to solve anything and one man was not the cause.
We are where we are because of making tough decisions to do what nigh on no other club at this level has managed to do, in making the club standalone financially secure by and large. One outcome of this is that our budget is modest rather than impressive. We don’t require external support.
The second issue is that our modest budget has been used terribly in recent years. Moving some personnel around might help with decisions on this point but the bigger picture isn’t going to change - we have impressive financial security and are not on the hook for the whim and will of a benefactor.
A final point. A good result for us is getting back into League One and staying there. We are not going to be back in the Championship and we are not going to be top half Championship. These are things that are not going to happen so supporters need to get real.
SM has said on another thread that there are plenty of clubs, even at our level, making sure that they are balancing the books.
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I get why people are looking for a simple scapegoat, given how terrible the football is and has been for some time. One man changing roles is not going to solve anything and one man was not the cause.
We are where we are because of making tough decisions to do what nigh on no other club at this level has managed to do, in making the club standalone financially secure by and large. One outcome of this is that our budget is modest rather than impressive. We don’t require external support.
The second issue is that our modest budget has been used terribly in recent years. Moving some personnel around might help with decisions on this point but the bigger picture isn’t going to change - we have impressive financial security and are not on the hook for the whim and will of a benefactor.
A final point. A good result for us is getting back into League One and staying there. We are not going to be back in the Championship and we are not going to be top half Championship. These are things that are not going to happen so supporters need to get real.
SM has said on another thread that there are plenty of clubs, even at our level, making sure that they are balancing the books.
Yes there is.
And if anybody wants to take a look at the White Paper issued by DCMS in recent weeks you'll see that it's titled 'A Sustainable Future- Reforming Club Football Governance'
It will be forced on clubs up and down the pyramid.
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Even if the budget is and has been crap we've spent it so poorly. January windows - Clayton, Agard, Lavery as examples 30+ journeymen that can't even run. No strategy what so ever in recruitment
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I agree, RD, but it’s only a ‘start for 10’ as Bamber Gascogne used to say! There are other things wrong further down the chain, but he is the ‘stopper’ as far as any funds going to the re-building of the squad is required.
When RW got the job, a rebuild was required and, after 4 signings, the budget had all but gone! We couldn’t afford a keeper, a defensive midfielder to replace Whiteman and we were still searching for someone to fill JM’s boots and, guess what, we’re still nowhere near attaining any of those positions.
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I get why people are looking for a simple scapegoat, given how terrible the football is and has been for some time. One man changing roles is not going to solve anything and one man was not the cause.
We are where we are because of making tough decisions to do what nigh on no other club at this level has managed to do, in making the club standalone financially secure by and large. One outcome of this is that our budget is modest rather than impressive. We don’t require external support.
The second issue is that our modest budget has been used terribly in recent years. Moving some personnel around might help with decisions on this point but the bigger picture isn’t going to change - we have impressive financial security and are not on the hook for the whim and will of a benefactor.
A final point. A good result for us is getting back into League One and staying there. We are not going to be back in the Championship and we are not going to be top half Championship. These are things that are not going to happen so supporters need to get real.
I agree with most of what you say. I'm not actually looking for one single scapegoat, there's a lot that has gone wrong. But DB has overseen several terrible appointments, the horror show at the end of the first Wellens transfer window, and numerous other embarrassments, that for me would not be accepted in any other situation.
I agree, we should be aiming to challenge in the top 10 of league one, and not expecting a whole lot more. But I think competent management from the top down is what allows us to get back to that.
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It depends on what "success" is and what the "5 year plan" is. If it is to remove football from the stadium then it is going swimmingly, the Rugby Union club must be wringing their hands in anticipation at a ground swap within 2-3 years. If blame is to be allocated I would firmly place it with the owner and his acolytes, all of which would far more prefer to be watching the Knights than waste their Saturdays at a football game.
As I started this thread, I think it's important to point out that I think what you're saying is absolute nonsense.
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Yes there is.
And if anybody wants to take a look at the White Paper issued by DCMS in recent weeks you'll see that it's titled 'A Sustainable Future- Reforming Club Football Governance'
It will be forced on clubs up and down the pyramid.
Interesting, just flicked through the exec summary and a few sections - a lot of parallels with how financial services are regulated particularly around capital adequacy
SM - in simplistic terms, does that mean if a club do not have the processes to calculate cap ad or the means to fund it, they won't get their licence and therefore won't be able to compete?
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
You missed Hurst's shot in the last minute of time added on. Either that or it was a pass to their keeper, not sure which tbh.
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Blunt as no cash
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
You missed Hurst's shot in the last minute of time added on. Either that or it was a pass to their keeper, not sure which tbh.
No Hirst's poor attempt came after I'd posted. It's like groundhog day watching poor defensive displays, under the cosh from minute one as the opposition make a fast start, wayward passes by Molyneux, Hirst bullied off the ball, nowt up front to hold it up, a lack of quality through out the team. It's not just the players, the negative tactics of the manager as a result of limited options particularly a lack of quality up front, and it stems from the Chairman, their strategic vision or lack of, and owners and their investment or lack of.
Time for the whole lot to go. No ideas, no vision, no investment, no passion, no leadership.
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Has he resigned yet?
It would be nice if him & DS went in the same taxi!
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Wonder if Blunt was brought in to enact managed decline at the club.
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
What do you think happens if Bramall just goes? His funding has supported everything we've achieved over the last 10+ years.
It's a ridiculous, brainless thing to ask for.
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
What do you think happens if Bramall just goes? His funding has supported everything we've achieved over the last 10+ years.
It's a ridiculous, brainless thing to ask for.
Your the brainless one. Supporting the current regime and the decline. So we just carry on into oblivion do we? You happy with 3 season of actual attricoius results, lies over the budget, an empty stadium.. I have never heard such empty headed, spineless, weak drivel as comes from some on here, even over 2 years later after the first pleas for some investment before it was too late. So direct your spineless drivel elsewhere numpty. If the owners don't invest then you will see so many season ticket holders and match day fans not invest.. why should they to turn up to the dross like today.
We have a great stadium, a cheap annual rent, a great fan base and City, its not the empty vessel you fear which i am sure would attract investment. There was talk on the radio only the other of potential interest.
I'm afraid after the 4th manager, the blame solely on the manager is wearing thin. No more scapegoats for the current regime. The buck stops with the Chairman and owners.
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
What do you think happens if Bramall just goes? His funding has supported everything we've achieved over the last 10+ years.
It's a ridiculous, brainless thing to ask for.
Hang on, aren't we self sufficient these days?
Clearly there's zero sign of that model working, someone with cash (not just anyone) is needed to achieve what we want.
But the first step is sacking these horrendous coach. Having said that, who'd touch this job with no backing?
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We must be the laughing stock of the entire EFL right now.
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Blunt is the barrier to any investment in the club. Until he goes, it's only going to get worse.
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What gets me is the discounted pricing strategy. In one sense in the current economic climate its to be applauded. However in another its like an incentive as the owners know they are dragging us down so it's like compensation money for the dross we are being subjected to, when most Rovers fans would rather the club had kept it and bought some quality players and kept us as high up the pyramid as possible. That to me is part of a pricing strategy and it would be great to hear the rationale for it. Yes there is inflation and any saving is welcomed to keep fans buying tickets but when the quality is then negated due to resource constraints which Coppinger and others have alluded to, you have to question why such a pricing strategy?
As for Bramalls investment, yes along with Dick Watson and JR, he has invested heavily over the years, and ALL rovers fans are glad about that and the happy memories from 1998-99 to 2021 but Bramalls investment looks to have ended with Watson's sad passing, and is historic, so yes we should be hoping and seeking change to bring about better fortunes on the pitch as otherwise this decline for the past 3 seasons is going to continue. There seems a real apathy and malaise, and you watch performances like that today, and there are too many players coasting and getting paid for poor performances and half hearted attitude on the pitch which is criminal! That is set from above. It certainly wasn't present in the 'were just a pub team having a laugh' culture, you could see the pride of the players giving everything for the shirt.
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
What do you think happens if Bramall just goes? His funding has supported everything we've achieved over the last 10+ years.
It's a ridiculous, brainless thing to ask for.
Your the brainless one. Supporting the current regime and the decline. So we just carry on into oblivion do we? You happy with 3 season of actual attricoius results, lies over the budget, an empty stadium.. I have never heard such empty headed, spineless, weak drivel as comes from some on here, even over 2 years later after the first pleas for some investment before it was too late. So direct your spineless drivel elsewhere numpty. If the owners don't invest then you will see so many season ticket holders and match day fans not invest.. why should they to turn up to the dross like today.
We have a great stadium, a cheap annual rent, a great fan base and City, its not the empty vessel you fear which i am sure would attract investment. There was talk on the radio only the other of potential interest.
I'm afraid after the 4th manager, the blame solely on the manager is wearing thin. No more scapegoats for the current regime. The buck stops with the Chairman and owners.
I made it quite clear that I don't support the current regime. We're clearly underperforming, and I quite clearly put the lion's share of that underperformance on the shoulders of one third of our current ownership. Bramall deserves questions for putting trust in that person. I don't question that either. But how does forcing out our only benefactor (TB) improve the current situation?
'We're terrible, so let's decrease our funding and that will help' Explain the thinking behind that?
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Imagine trying to flog STs for £300 or more. They needed to reduce them last season as last season was dross. This has been even worse over saw by a manager who is so thick to see what he is doing isn't working.
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
What do you think happens if Bramall just goes? His funding has supported everything we've achieved over the last 10+ years.
It's a ridiculous, brainless thing to ask for.
Your the brainless one. Supporting the current regime and the decline. So we just carry on into oblivion do we? You happy with 3 season of actual attricoius results, lies over the budget, an empty stadium.. I have never heard such empty headed, spineless, weak drivel as comes from some on here, even over 2 years later after the first pleas for some investment before it was too late. So direct your spineless drivel elsewhere numpty. If the owners don't invest then you will see so many season ticket holders and match day fans not invest.. why should they to turn up to the dross like today.
We have a great stadium, a cheap annual rent, a great fan base and City, its not the empty vessel you fear which i am sure would attract investment. There was talk on the radio only the other of potential interest.
I'm afraid after the 4th manager, the blame solely on the manager is wearing thin. No more scapegoats for the current regime. The buck stops with the Chairman and owners.
I made it quite clear that I don't support the current regime. We're clearly underperforming, and I quite clearly put the lion's share of that underperformance on the shoulders of one third of our current ownership. Bramall deserves questions for putting trust in that person. I don't question that either. But how does forcing out our only benefactor (TB) improve the current situation?
'We're terrible, so let's decrease our funding and that will help' Explain the thinking behind that?
How does keeping him improve the situation, explain me that? He isant willing to invest anymore and from all gathered is not a passionate Rovers fan its all.about the community. You.use the name benefactor, I take that as in the loosest sense cos he is no longer supporting the club other than on a short term cash flow basis by the sounds of it. An overdraft would accomplish the same benefit. Anyway your talking at cross purposes and the sort of pedantic drivel you.get on.here, as when we say they should go, which they should, we are generally hoping for some miracle of regime change, some one akin to Stewart at Rotherham or JR after Richardson comes in with fresh ideas, enthusiasm, passion, a new Broom including a new manager too. We are not saying he should go. Leave a huge vacuum, but anyway if we are a sustainable model.and all the hype is to be taken at face value as a lot of holier than thous have done over the last few years of spin, then we are sustainable and have no benefactor now and so we just have a tired old board who would rather be doing something else with their time so makes no.odds if they go. At least someone new might have the vigour and enthusiasm needed to run a football club rather than the spin and bull of this current lot in recent years.
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
What do you think happens if Bramall just goes? His funding has supported everything we've achieved over the last 10+ years.
It's a ridiculous, brainless thing to ask for.
Your the brainless one. Supporting the current regime and the decline. So we just carry on into oblivion do we? You happy with 3 season of actual attricoius results, lies over the budget, an empty stadium.. I have never heard such empty headed, spineless, weak drivel as comes from some on here, even over 2 years later after the first pleas for some investment before it was too late. So direct your spineless drivel elsewhere numpty. If the owners don't invest then you will see so many season ticket holders and match day fans not invest.. why should they to turn up to the dross like today.
We have a great stadium, a cheap annual rent, a great fan base and City, its not the empty vessel you fear which i am sure would attract investment. There was talk on the radio only the other of potential interest.
I'm afraid after the 4th manager, the blame solely on the manager is wearing thin. No more scapegoats for the current regime. The buck stops with the Chairman and owners.
I made it quite clear that I don't support the current regime. We're clearly underperforming, and I quite clearly put the lion's share of that underperformance on the shoulders of one third of our current ownership. Bramall deserves questions for putting trust in that person. I don't question that either. But how does forcing out our only benefactor (TB) improve the current situation?
'We're terrible, so let's decrease our funding and that will help' Explain the thinking behind that?
How does keeping him improve the situation, explain me that? He isant willing to invest anymore and from all gathered is not a passionate Rovers fan its all.about the community. You.use the name benefactor, I take that as in the loosest sense cos he is no longer supporting the club other than on a short term cash flow basis by the sounds of it. An overdraft would accomplish the same benefit. Anyway your talking at cross purposes and the sort of pedantic drivel you.get on.here, as when we say they should go, which they should, we are generally hoping for some miracle of regime change, some one akin to Stewart at Rotherham or JR after Richardson comes in with fresh ideas, enthusiasm, passion, a new Broom including a new manager too. We are not saying he should go. Leave a huge vacuum, but anyway if we are a sustainable model.and all the hype is to be taken at face value as a lot of holier than thous have done over the last few years of spin, then we are sustainable and have no benefactor now and so we just have a tired old board who would rather be doing something else with their time so makes no.odds if they go. At least someone new might have the vigour and enthusiasm needed to run a football club rather than the spin and bull of this current lot in recent years.
Put forward an alternative.
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
What do you think happens if Bramall just goes? His funding has supported everything we've achieved over the last 10+ years.
It's a ridiculous, brainless thing to ask for.
Your the brainless one. Supporting the current regime and the decline. So we just carry on into oblivion do we? You happy with 3 season of actual attricoius results, lies over the budget, an empty stadium.. I have never heard such empty headed, spineless, weak drivel as comes from some on here, even over 2 years later after the first pleas for some investment before it was too late. So direct your spineless drivel elsewhere numpty. If the owners don't invest then you will see so many season ticket holders and match day fans not invest.. why should they to turn up to the dross like today.
We have a great stadium, a cheap annual rent, a great fan base and City, its not the empty vessel you fear which i am sure would attract investment. There was talk on the radio only the other of potential interest.
I'm afraid after the 4th manager, the blame solely on the manager is wearing thin. No more scapegoats for the current regime. The buck stops with the Chairman and owners.
I made it quite clear that I don't support the current regime. We're clearly underperforming, and I quite clearly put the lion's share of that underperformance on the shoulders of one third of our current ownership. Bramall deserves questions for putting trust in that person. I don't question that either. But how does forcing out our only benefactor (TB) improve the current situation?
'We're terrible, so let's decrease our funding and that will help' Explain the thinking behind that?
How does keeping him improve the situation, explain me that? He isant willing to invest anymore and from all gathered is not a passionate Rovers fan its all.about the community. You.use the name benefactor, I take that as in the loosest sense cos he is no longer supporting the club other than on a short term cash flow basis by the sounds of it. An overdraft would accomplish the same benefit. Anyway your talking at cross purposes and the sort of pedantic drivel you.get on.here, as when we say they should go, which they should, we are generally hoping for some miracle of regime change, some one akin to Stewart at Rotherham or JR after Richardson comes in with fresh ideas, enthusiasm, passion, a new Broom including a new manager too. We are not saying he should go. Leave a huge vacuum, but anyway if we are a sustainable model.and all the hype is to be taken at face value as a lot of holier than thous have done over the last few years of spin, then we are sustainable and have no benefactor now and so we just have a tired old board who would rather be doing something else with their time so makes no.odds if they go. At least someone new might have the vigour and enthusiasm needed to run a football club rather than the spin and bull of this current lot in recent years.
Put forward an alternative.
I dont need to. Its your post in the first place! Who would you replace Blunt with? Thar was your suggestion to get rid of Blunt which I endorse, second and support wholeheartedly.
I renewed my season ticket. That's my loyalty to the club despite the dire performances and where my heart lies, not some disinterested spin merchants no longer interested in supporting the club financially to have success on the pitch.
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I always thought until recently that the relegation from League 1 in 2016 was a fluke bad season. I now think that getting into the playoffs in 2019 was actually the fluke, and turbulent management and underperformance is the norm with these people in charge.
Fans have been absolutely hammered with awful losing football for two years straight and shows no sign of turning around. The number of genuinely decent home performances in that time can be counted on one hand. The board slashed season ticket prices after Covid, despite this with how bad it's been, they've somehow still contrived to drastically shrink the fanbase. We haven't even seen the worst of it yet. Surely crowds aren't going to be above the 4000s next season if nothing changes.
It's clear that this is now a zombie ownership, existing, but stumbling around with no purpose. And apathy filters down from the top. No one gives a damn anymore, even some die-hard supporters are giving up. I don't see how we're going anywhere but down with this ownership.
Sweeping changes needed at the very least. Otherwise it's time to go.
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
What do you think happens if Bramall just goes? His funding has supported everything we've achieved over the last 10+ years.
It's a ridiculous, brainless thing to ask for.
Your the brainless one. Supporting the current regime and the decline. So we just carry on into oblivion do we? You happy with 3 season of actual attricoius results, lies over the budget, an empty stadium.. I have never heard such empty headed, spineless, weak drivel as comes from some on here, even over 2 years later after the first pleas for some investment before it was too late. So direct your spineless drivel elsewhere numpty. If the owners don't invest then you will see so many season ticket holders and match day fans not invest.. why should they to turn up to the dross like today.
We have a great stadium, a cheap annual rent, a great fan base and City, its not the empty vessel you fear which i am sure would attract investment. There was talk on the radio only the other of potential interest.
I'm afraid after the 4th manager, the blame solely on the manager is wearing thin. No more scapegoats for the current regime. The buck stops with the Chairman and owners.
I made it quite clear that I don't support the current regime. We're clearly underperforming, and I quite clearly put the lion's share of that underperformance on the shoulders of one third of our current ownership. Bramall deserves questions for putting trust in that person. I don't question that either. But how does forcing out our only benefactor (TB) improve the current situation?
'We're terrible, so let's decrease our funding and that will help' Explain the thinking behind that?
How does keeping him improve the situation, explain me that? He isant willing to invest anymore and from all gathered is not a passionate Rovers fan its all.about the community. You.use the name benefactor, I take that as in the loosest sense cos he is no longer supporting the club other than on a short term cash flow basis by the sounds of it. An overdraft would accomplish the same benefit. Anyway your talking at cross purposes and the sort of pedantic drivel you.get on.here, as when we say they should go, which they should, we are generally hoping for some miracle of regime change, some one akin to Stewart at Rotherham or JR after Richardson comes in with fresh ideas, enthusiasm, passion, a new Broom including a new manager too. We are not saying he should go. Leave a huge vacuum, but anyway if we are a sustainable model.and all the hype is to be taken at face value as a lot of holier than thous have done over the last few years of spin, then we are sustainable and have no benefactor now and so we just have a tired old board who would rather be doing something else with their time so makes no.odds if they go. At least someone new might have the vigour and enthusiasm needed to run a football club rather than the spin and bull of this current lot in recent years.
Put forward an alternative.
I dont need to. Its your post in the first place! Who would you replace Blunt with? Thar was your suggestion to get rid of Blunt which I endorse, second and support wholeheartedly.
I renewed my season ticket. That's my loyalty to the club despite the dire performances and where my heart lies, not some disinterested spin merchants no longer interested in supporting the club financially to have success on the pitch.
I have absolutely no idea who I'd replace him with. I'm in no position to put forward alternatives. All I can do is suggest where I think the weakness in our current set up lies. I just don't believe getting rid of the guy who has selflessly put millions into our club would have any positive effect. And I don't think you have an alternative to his funding either.
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Blunt needs to go. Schofield needs to go. Bramall needs to go. Presiding over absolute dross performances and results including not one shot against Crewe in the first half as I type after 40 minutes or in recent months the same pattern of no chances, lack of quality etc. Time to go and most of the players too.
This is the worst state of affairs since about 1996 when Ken Richardson was purposefully sending us into oblivion with a burnt ground to an embarrassing all time low. This shower isant far off it.
What do you think happens if Bramall just goes? His funding has supported everything we've achieved over the last 10+ years.
It's a ridiculous, brainless thing to ask for.
Your the brainless one. Supporting the current regime and the decline. So we just carry on into oblivion do we? You happy with 3 season of actual attricoius results, lies over the budget, an empty stadium.. I have never heard such empty headed, spineless, weak drivel as comes from some on here, even over 2 years later after the first pleas for some investment before it was too late. So direct your spineless drivel elsewhere numpty. If the owners don't invest then you will see so many season ticket holders and match day fans not invest.. why should they to turn up to the dross like today.
We have a great stadium, a cheap annual rent, a great fan base and City, its not the empty vessel you fear which i am sure would attract investment. There was talk on the radio only the other of potential interest.
I'm afraid after the 4th manager, the blame solely on the manager is wearing thin. No more scapegoats for the current regime. The buck stops with the Chairman and owners.
I made it quite clear that I don't support the current regime. We're clearly underperforming, and I quite clearly put the lion's share of that underperformance on the shoulders of one third of our current ownership. Bramall deserves questions for putting trust in that person. I don't question that either. But how does forcing out our only benefactor (TB) improve the current situation?
'We're terrible, so let's decrease our funding and that will help' Explain the thinking behind that?
How does keeping him improve the situation, explain me that? He isant willing to invest anymore and from all gathered is not a passionate Rovers fan its all.about the community. You.use the name benefactor, I take that as in the loosest sense cos he is no longer supporting the club other than on a short term cash flow basis by the sounds of it. An overdraft would accomplish the same benefit. Anyway your talking at cross purposes and the sort of pedantic drivel you.get on.here, as when we say they should go, which they should, we are generally hoping for some miracle of regime change, some one akin to Stewart at Rotherham or JR after Richardson comes in with fresh ideas, enthusiasm, passion, a new Broom including a new manager too. We are not saying he should go. Leave a huge vacuum, but anyway if we are a sustainable model.and all the hype is to be taken at face value as a lot of holier than thous have done over the last few years of spin, then we are sustainable and have no benefactor now and so we just have a tired old board who would rather be doing something else with their time so makes no.odds if they go. At least someone new might have the vigour and enthusiasm needed to run a football club rather than the spin and bull of this current lot in recent years.
Put forward an alternative.
I dont need to. Its your post in the first place! Who would you replace Blunt with? Thar was your suggestion to get rid of Blunt which I endorse, second and support wholeheartedly.
I renewed my season ticket. That's my loyalty to the club despite the dire performances and where my heart lies, not some disinterested spin merchants no longer interested in supporting the club financially to have success on the pitch.
I have absolutely no idea who I'd replace him with. I'm in no position to put forward alternatives. All I can do is suggest where I think the weakness in our current set up lies. I just don't believe getting rid of the guy who has selflessly put millions into our club would have any positive effect. And I don't think you have an alternative to his funding either.
There you.go again saying an alternative to his funding as if he is still putting in millions which he is not. But of course I don't have an alternative, unless I win the lottery tonight as I'm not a financial broker and I don't think my job would like me using the millions given to increase housing supply to buy new players for DRFC!
But look back to our last home game in 1998, against Colchester, I wouldn't have dared to dream.on that day that ww would survive, we had a ramshackle ground, 6 professional.players on our books and had just let in 130 goals in a season! But an investor did come, we had 4 promotions in 15 seasons, 5 of 6 in the Championship, saw us beat Leeds at Wembley, Won the JPT at the Millenium stadium, got a new £30m stadium.. so if we found a new investor then why not now when we have a great stadium, a more recent successful legacy, a low annual rental overhead, own our own training ground and have a better fanbase than back in 1998.. back then we didn't even have a sponsor on our home shirt!
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But he is still funding the club - he is dipping in his pocket for the energy bills. By the way please don’t take this as condoning the current playing and management regime
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But he is still funding the club - he is dipping in his pocket for the energy bills. By the way, please don’t take this as condoning the current playing and management regime
It's hardly significant investment. Yes I have seen the figures quoted and I'm not dismissing them as insignificant, but it's hardly.crippling to one of Yorkshires richest multi millionaires.. and hardly.scary numbers to.say, we can't get someone with similar money and greater passion to see us do well on the pitch where it counts.. not in the bloody community. Save that for different charities. We are a football club, not the local institute. Give me someone who knows their football and wants to see us successful on the football pitch. It feels very much like the Corporate non football grip on Newcastle under Mike Ashley but at a lower level, and the sooner we are sold to new football people, the better.
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The problem is there seems no end to downward spiral, until we are in a situation like Scunthorpe, it really is that serious potentially.
If they don’t want to put money in actively look for a buyer, instead of saying it’s always been up for sale.
You don’t fully appreciate what you have until you lose it. We lost John Ryan and we lost our clubs biggest ally. Yes he made some poor decisions near the end but the majority were good decisions . To get another like him is asking too much.
The whole club is jaded. It needs some energy instead of going through the motions of just surviving. Those players that’s contracts are up need to be let go on free transfers. We need to be actively looking for young, hungry and ambitious footballers in the National league, conference north etc.
Add to them one or two good solid experienced players with two or three good years left in them and you might have a team.
It is important this manager is sacked before the season ends. He is in way above his head, he cannot deal with what needs doing. Leadership is needed throughout the club.
We need changes at board, managerial, coaching, scouting and playing levels.
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Sammy if we followed your suggestion this forum would explode with posts about doing things on the cheap. Totally agree we need a full overhaul
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We need something to happen NOW.
We should be talking to players who’s contracts are coming to an end with a view to signing for us NOW. If a change doesn’t occur we will be getting the wrong type of player.
Effective and hard-working football is more important than “playing the right way” at this moment in time. Even in the Premier League, the struggling teams have a chance at staying up by focusing on the basics.
An average budget can go a long way on that in this league. Persisting with this course will lose the club more money than sacking Schofield. Look at the empty seats!!
I’d rather Schofield AND Copps went now if that’s what it takes. Is Copps just as stubborn in his vision?
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The right way of playing is a winning way. End of.
Trying to replicate the SoD team is just so unbelievably ridiculous.
This getting our identity back should mean winning football matches not trying to be the Arsenal of the North again.
The only way we get out of this league and dreaming now out of League 1 is having a style of play that :
1) makes us hard to beat.
2) creates chances and scores goals.
To do that you need a solid physical spine first of all.
You need a manager who is tactically astute and can motivate professional footballers.
3) You need at least one real leader on the field of play.
Preferably 3/4 leaders.
4) You need a great team spirit and a winning never say die attitude from the entire Management, coaching & playing staff.
We currently have none of those. Not even one of those ingredients to be successful.
2012/13 that’s what needs replicating Copps. Surely you haven’t forgotten about about that season. Is that day at Brentford just a blur.
Surely not.
That’s what needs to be replicated.
Forget SoD that era has gone. It would be wonderful to replicate again one day but what we need right now is some or most of what that 2012/13 team had.
1st thing is get a Manager in who knows how to get promoted.
Until we do that then all the other factors needed to be successful will never happen.
Is DS still here. It’s Sunday morning 8.30 am
Good grief how long is this going to take.
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The right way of playing is a winning way. End of.
Trying to replicate the SoD team is just so unbelievably ridiculous.
This getting our identity back should mean winning football matches not trying to be the Arsenal of the North again.
The only way we get out of this league and dreaming now out of League 1 is having a style of play that :
1) makes us hard to beat.
2) creates chances and scores goals.
To do that you need a solid physical spine first of all.
You need a manager who is tactically astute and can motivate professional footballers.
3) You need at least one real leader on the field of play.
Preferably 3/4 leaders.
4) You need a great team spirit and a winning never say die attitude from the entire Management, coaching & playing staff.
We currently have none of those. Not even one of those ingredients to be successful.
2012/13 that’s what needs replicating Copps. Surely you haven’t forgotten about about that season. Is that day at Brentford just a blur.
Surely not.
That’s what needs to be replicated.
Forget SoD that era has gone. It would be wonderful to replicate again one day but what we need right now is some or most of what that 2012/13 team had.
1st thing is get a Manager in who knows how to get promoted.
Until we do that then all the other factors needed to be successful will never happen.
Is DS still here. It’s Sunday morning 8.30 am
Good grief how long is this going to take.
Very good post Campsall, talking alot of sense. In league Two you need physical strength and power, and to play two up front.
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I really dont understand the 2 up front debate. Agreed that its what we should currently do but, we only dont get the best out of the formation we play because we have recruited THAT badly that we dont have the players to play that system. 95% of the squad really are so, so poor. And for all the people now taking sympathy on Mcsheffrey need to get a grip, he played a big part in this too.
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But he is still funding the club - he is dipping in his pocket for the energy bills. By the way, please don’t take this as condoning the current playing and management regime
It's hardly significant investment. Yes I have seen the figures quoted and I'm not dismissing them as insignificant, but it's hardly.crippling to one of Yorkshires richest multi millionaires.. and hardly.scary numbers to.say, we can't get someone with similar money and greater passion to see us do well on the pitch where it counts.. not in the bloody community. Save that for different charities. We are a football club, not the local institute. Give me someone who knows their football and wants to see us successful on the football pitch. It feels very much like the Corporate non football grip on Newcastle under Mike Ashley but at a lower level, and the sooner we are sold to new football people, the better.
So he's not putting in the same level of funding he did previously. But he's still stepping in and bailing us out when issues arise. By all accounts, we'd have been in a lot of trouble during COVID without TB stepping in and plugging the financial gaps.
So again, is it better to have a multi millionaire there to provide extra funds when we need them? Or to have no safety net at all?
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Coppinger has made a massive mistake with this guy, but he’s obviously done it for the good of the club in mind. The manager needs to go, & go now. Coppinger needs to admit he's made a mistake, shake his hand, & do a reset.
Forget the inexperienced coaches & go get an experienced manager, they are out there if we want to be a progressive, ambitious club & stop this landslide. Coppinger has played in league 2 so knows what is needed to get out of it.
Has as been posted earlier in the thread we need tough, uncompromising players, physical, mentally strong, & a real will to win. Please lose this 'process' football Copps, that's for another era, not league 2. A no nonsense manager who can mould these players that can at least compete in this league & give our supporters a team we can get behind, we deserve better than this, much better.
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If it’s not 2 up front it has to be 3 in midfield. We have neither.
3 in defence is where we have the overload on the ball - where it matters least. That doesn’t create chances it just means “to me to you” between the defenders. DULL.
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Yet again no clean sheet and yet again both goals came from pure defensive errors. We have three centre backs yet still concede 2 at home against a poor side that averages 2/3 of a goal away from home usually. The whole set up is rank bad.
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But he is still funding the club - he is dipping in his pocket for the energy bills. By the way, please don’t take this as condoning the current playing and management regime
It's hardly significant investment. Yes I have seen the figures quoted and I'm not dismissing them as insignificant, but it's hardly.crippling to one of Yorkshires richest multi millionaires.. and hardly.scary numbers to.say, we can't get someone with similar money and greater passion to see us do well on the pitch where it counts.. not in the bloody community. Save that for different charities. We are a football club, not the local institute. Give me someone who knows their football and wants to see us successful on the football pitch. It feels very much like the Corporate non football grip on Newcastle under Mike Ashley but at a lower level, and the sooner we are sold to new football people, the better.
So he's not putting in the same level of funding he did previously. But he's still stepping in and bailing us out when issues arise. By all accounts, we'd have been in a lot of trouble during COVID without TB stepping in and plugging the financial gaps.
So again, is it better to have a multi millionaire there to provide extra funds when we need them? Or to have no safety net at all?
Look you keep banging on and i am losing enthusiasm to reply. I think short term yes, but as TB also recognises he isan't going to be around forever, so he needs to go as well, and let a new broom come in and have a go. I am fully aware of the absolute mess at York City since the takeover so let's not jump to conclusions as to what this or that reader is saying without spelling out exactly what you are referring to, who replaces Blunt, what succession planning do you envisage? we can all be pedantic and go into it in depth. At the end of the day, his interest has wained along with his financial input, and whether it be next month, 3 months, 6 months or 12 months, whatever the timescale, we need fresh impetus, new ideas, new investment and new passion for the future.
You talk about him during Covid, me and friends at the time said when Covid struck that it would be a convenient issue to justify him pulling the plug and so it transpires. Don't forget in the context we had the Marquis money in instalments, Whiteman's transfer fee and the legacy of reaching the 5th round in the FA Cup the season before Covid struck. I lay the blame for our demise, for witnessing a 0-5 humiliation against Rotherham at home, at the feet of the benefactor who chose to pull the plug and left us significantly under resourced on the pitch as well as rookie managers appointed aligned to replacing the likes of Whiteman with Bogle and Bostock, i lay the blame ultimately with the owners, so Blunt as Chairman and Bramall as owner and so called benefactor, so i'm for change, complete change ultimately after 10 years of failure. I was thinking earlier since Autumn 2013 when JR resigned, we have had 1 bounce back promotion and 3 relegations, time for change. Ultimately it doesn't matter what i think anyway i don't have any say nor do the masses of our diehard fans or season ticket holders, we just vent after more disappointment and pray for change and better times ahead. But for me, the whole lot can go, and the sooner the better. You are not going to change my mind on that so let's agree to disagree.
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If it’s not 2 up front it has to be 3 in midfield. We have neither.
3 in defence is where we have the overload on the ball - where it matters least. That doesn’t create chances it just means “to me to you” between the defenders. DULL.
Agreed. The best use of 343 I’ve seen is when Conte was at Chelsea. He had the players in defence and midfield that could soak pressure up while leaving essentially 3 up front to counter. Hazard certainly never tracked back.
We want to play possession game with 3 centre half’s and only 2 midfielders. It’s nonsense. The only free passes are backwards and we don’t keep it long enough to have the wing backs in the final third. So many flaws.
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But he is still funding the club - he is dipping in his pocket for the energy bills. By the way, please don’t take this as condoning the current playing and management regime
It's hardly significant investment. Yes I have seen the figures quoted and I'm not dismissing them as insignificant, but it's hardly.crippling to one of Yorkshires richest multi millionaires.. and hardly.scary numbers to.say, we can't get someone with similar money and greater passion to see us do well on the pitch where it counts.. not in the bloody community. Save that for different charities. We are a football club, not the local institute. Give me someone who knows their football and wants to see us successful on the football pitch. It feels very much like the Corporate non football grip on Newcastle under Mike Ashley but at a lower level, and the sooner we are sold to new football people, the better.
So he's not putting in the same level of funding he did previously. But he's still stepping in and bailing us out when issues arise. By all accounts, we'd have been in a lot of trouble during COVID without TB stepping in and plugging the financial gaps.
So again, is it better to have a multi millionaire there to provide extra funds when we need them? Or to have no safety net at all?
Look you keep banging on and i am losing enthusiasm to reply. I think short term yes, but as TB also recognises he isan't going to be around forever, so he needs to go as well, and let a new broom come in and have a go. You talk about him during Covid, me and friends at the time said when Covid struck that it would be a convenient issue to justify him pulling the plug and so it transpires. Don't forget in the context we had the Marquis money in instalments, Whiteman's transfer fee and the legacy of reaching the 5th round in the FA Cup the season before Covid struck. I lay the blame for our demise, for witnessing a 0-5 humiliation against Rotherham at home, at the feet of the benefactor who chose to pull the plug and left us significantly under resourced on the pitch as well as rookie managers appointed aligned to replacing the likes of Whiteman with Bogle and Bostock, i lay the blame ultimately with the owners, so Blunt as Chairman and Bramall as owner and so called benefactor, so i'm for change, complete change ultimately after 10 years of failure. I was thinking earlier since Autumn 2013 when JR resigned, we have had 1 bounce back promotion and 3 relegations, time for change. Ultimately it doesn't matter what i think anyway i don't have any say nor do the masses of our diehard fans or season ticket holders, we just vent after more disappointment and pray for change and better times ahead. But for me, the whole lot can go, and the sooner the better. You are not going to change my mind on that so let's agree to disagree.
Yeah you've managed to turn the fact that he helped us through COVID with extra funds into a negative, so I think we've hit a brick wall here. Nothing wrong with differing opinions though.
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But he is still funding the club - he is dipping in his pocket for the energy bills. By the way, please don’t take this as condoning the current playing and management regime
It's hardly significant investment. Yes I have seen the figures quoted and I'm not dismissing them as insignificant, but it's hardly.crippling to one of Yorkshires richest multi millionaires.. and hardly.scary numbers to.say, we can't get someone with similar money and greater passion to see us do well on the pitch where it counts.. not in the bloody community. Save that for different charities. We are a football club, not the local institute. Give me someone who knows their football and wants to see us successful on the football pitch. It feels very much like the Corporate non football grip on Newcastle under Mike Ashley but at a lower level, and the sooner we are sold to new football people, the better.
So he's not putting in the same level of funding he did previously. But he's still stepping in and bailing us out when issues arise. By all accounts, we'd have been in a lot of trouble during COVID without TB stepping in and plugging the financial gaps.
So again, is it better to have a multi millionaire there to provide extra funds when we need them? Or to have no safety net at all?
Look you keep banging on and i am losing enthusiasm to reply. I think short term yes, but as TB also recognises he isan't going to be around forever, so he needs to go as well, and let a new broom come in and have a go. You talk about him during Covid, me and friends at the time said when Covid struck that it would be a convenient issue to justify him pulling the plug and so it transpires. Don't forget in the context we had the Marquis money in instalments, Whiteman's transfer fee and the legacy of reaching the 5th round in the FA Cup the season before Covid struck. I lay the blame for our demise, for witnessing a 0-5 humiliation against Rotherham at home, at the feet of the benefactor who chose to pull the plug and left us significantly under resourced on the pitch as well as rookie managers appointed aligned to replacing the likes of Whiteman with Bogle and Bostock, i lay the blame ultimately with the owners, so Blunt as Chairman and Bramall as owner and so called benefactor, so i'm for change, complete change ultimately after 10 years of failure. I was thinking earlier since Autumn 2013 when JR resigned, we have had 1 bounce back promotion and 3 relegations, time for change. Ultimately it doesn't matter what i think anyway i don't have any say nor do the masses of our diehard fans or season ticket holders, we just vent after more disappointment and pray for change and better times ahead. But for me, the whole lot can go, and the sooner the better. You are not going to change my mind on that so let's agree to disagree.
Yeah you've managed to turn the fact that he helped us through COVID with extra funds into a negative, so I think we've hit a brick wall here. Nothing wrong with differing opinions though.
I'm not getting the flags out cos he helped us through Covid, that was his role! He owns the club and the obligations that go with it! And i am not turning anything negative, just speaking the truth, he pulled the plug, whether it be Covid or the unfortunate timing and passing of Dick Watson who was a Rovers fan, leaving him as sole benefactor, his choice to reign in his support, and that's his choice, doesn't mean we should get the flags out cos he paid a bill or two. You seem to want your cake and eat it, blame Blunt, blame the tea lady, blame the 4th rookie manager, anyone but the man who has the purse strings. So yeah i think we've hit a brick wall. You want Blunt to go, then what? Still no more money or investment coming into the club. You want solutions where maybe there are none, but have none to give yourself. and as i said in a previous post are arguing over the head of a pin, at cross purposes, we both want Blunt out, we both agree there needs to be change.
Let's see what if any changes arise, if Blunt went, true Rovers fans with investment came in, and TB was sat in the background i couldn't give two hoots, as long as we have more investment, fresh ideas and more success on the pitch! Yes i blame Bramall as accountability starts at the top, and if he was miraculously to do a u-turn and invest again, bring new vigour with new investors into the club that would be great, but at present that hasn't happened and ultimately the decline over the last 3 seasons is at TB's door, Blunts door, the wider management team, the poor recruitment etc. We don't support Rovers and buy season tickets to help win in the community every day as TB sees his output and benefit, we do it to support our club and want pride, hope and ultimately performances and results on the pitch!
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It seems clear to me that they aren't going to sack Schofield this season. They haven't sacked him thus far in spite of how bad it is and has been throughout his tenure and losing the rest of the games this season isn't getting worse than it has been it's just the same which they've been willing to accept. So they must be satisfied that he isn't the cause of the problem.
Hard to believe I know but that's my take on it.
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Putting aside the risible nature of the football, the point was passed probably at the Salford City game when there was no longer any realistic chance of making the play offs. That was the actual point of failure, the terrible football before, during and after is just background noise. He came in when it was entirely possible to make the play offs but didn’t deliver this.
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Putting aside the risible nature of the football, the point was passed probably at the Salford City game when there was no longer any realistic chance of making the play offs. That was the actual point of failure, the terrible football before, during and after is just background noise. He came in when it was entirely possible to make the play offs but didn’t deliver this.
Didn’t just not deliver. After Salford we had 10 games to play. Looking at our points when he came it to be out of it with 10 to go is shocking.
Gary McS has kept us up this season and he was terrible. Imagine been happy to let the guy worse than him have a summer to spend the clubs money! If GM was sacked because we weren’t where we needed to be then how can DS keep his job? Doesn’t seem fair at all
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Bramhall is a liability, I don't agree with all this Club Rovers Rubbish, Bramhall needs to put his wealthy shoulder to the cart and fund a return to the Championship not an ever downward spiral to the Evo Stick league or whatever it's called, he needs to walk away ,take his Pet monkey with him and sell the club for £1 to someone who has funds and is interested!
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Bramhall is a liability, I don't agree with all this Club Rovers Rubbish, Bramhall needs to put his wealthy shoulder to the cart and fund a return to the Championship not an ever downward spiral to the Evo Stick league or whatever it's called, he needs to walk away ,take his Pet monkey with him and sell the club for £1 to someone who has funds and is interested!
By Club Rovers do you mean Club Doncaster? The thing that makes us money, not makes a loss.
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If it wasn't for Club Doncaster we really would be in the sh1t
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Anyone criticising Club Doncaster really needs a good shaking.
Club Doncaster brings in revenue from a wide range of commercial activities. Most of which goes into the Football budget which supplements the other income that comes from the EFL, gate receipts, advertising, sponsorship etc.
It is not a drain on finances. Quite the opposite.
I can’t get my head around the fact there are still some people who don’t get it.
It’s as simple as that. Without Club Doncaster we would not be sustainable financially.
The current problem is TB is not putting in any extra funds which would enable the playing budget to be top 3 in this league or as it transpires not even top 7
TB is covering the extra overheads the club has at present such as the hugely increased Electric bills.
Blunt is running a very tight ship and that’s all well and good having a great looking balance sheet but if that is at the expense of having a successful football team then there is a problem long term. Even less than long term.
The worse the performances on the field the less interest there is for fans to buy season tickets. Less interest for the casual fan to buy tickets. Less interest from our younger fans and potential fans of the future.
Business’s want to be associated with success not failure no they will withdraw sponsorship, decide not to spend on advertising. Commercial revenue will decrease at an alarming rate.
All these factors means reduced revenue which in turn means either large amounts of money are needed from the pockets of the owners or the playing budget is reduced even further.
So we would have a spiral of the same year after year which will end where?
What’s the answer.
1) Get an experienced Manager
2) Give the Manager the budget he needs to give the Club the best opportunity of success.
Success = more revenue.
This is just plain business sense, it is not rocket science.
If you invest in your staff and bring in the best you can possibly get and invest in the playing squad then you give yourself the chance to make the finances even stronger.
So what’s the game plan here from our board?
They are all astute business men very successful ones.
I simply do not understand what their end game is,
What is the benefit to them, the fans, the city in abject failure which they are presiding over at present.
Am I missing something. :zzz:
It has now gone 7.30 pm Sunday eve and we still haven’t heard a squeak regarding DS
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Sorry are we living in the same Dimension, I see us with 51 points in the Bottom Division, Back where we were in 2003! how is that progress.
If we were in 51 points in the Championship, I would not be calling for heads to roll
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Sorry are we living in the same Dimension, I see us with 51 points in the Bottom Division, Back where we were in 2003! how is that progress.
If we were in 51 points in the Championship, I would not be calling for heads to roll
Tilt at windmills all you like, but make sure you're tilting at the right ones. Club Doncaster isn't the right windmill by any stretch.
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Has anyone on here heard about any potential investors ?
Serious investors not random names like Mike Ashley’s future son in law and Lord Kirkham, serious investors
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Sorry are we living in the same Dimension, I see us with 51 points in the Bottom Division, Back where we were in 2003! how is that progress.
If we were in 51 points in the Championship, I would not be calling for heads to roll
Who is that in reply to?
If it’s me then have you read what i posted. Club Doncaster brings in revenue, it doesn’t take it out.
Club Doncaster is nothing whatsoever to do with us have only 51 points from 39 games in league 2.
That’s entirely down to rookie managers and a playing budget that is apparently now below what is required for automatic promotion and the play offs.
A good manager though would have got us in the top 7 imo. A our budget in August was around 5th to 7th but since the turn of the year has fallen to mid table. This is a very poor league
Which 7 clubs had a better squad than us in August or for that matter in January.
Yes it’s easy to say our players are not good enough now but the fact is this Coach (can’t call him a Manager, can’t really call him a coach.) has turned them into a bunch of quivering wrecks with his flawed way of playing, his tactics, formation and inability to motivate.
Only Bradford, Stockport & Leyton Orient, possibly, Salford & Northampton imo have stronger squads on paper. Possibly we are on par with Mansfield. We should be 6th or 7th, above Carlisle and and the 3 over achieving clubs Stevenage, Barrow & Sutton who all are where they are due to Managers getting the very best out of what they have.
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Sorry are we living in the same Dimension, I see us with 51 points in the Bottom Division, Back where we were in 2003! how is that progress.
If we were in 51 points in the Championship, I would not be calling for heads to roll
Who is that in reply to?
If it’s me then have you read what i posted. Club Doncaster brings in revenue, it doesn’t take it out.
Club Doncaster is nothing whatsoever to do with us have only 51 points from 39 games in league 2.
That’s entirely down to rookie managers and a playing budget that is apparently now below what is required for automatic promotion and the play offs.
A good manager though would have got us in the top 7 imo. A our budget in August was around 5th to 7th but since the turn of the year has fallen to mid table. This is a very poor league
Which 7 clubs had a better squad than us in August or for that matter in January.
Yes it’s easy to say our players are not good enough now but the fact is this Coach (can’t call him a Manager, can’t really call him a coach.) has turned them into a bunch of quivering wrecks with his flawed way of playing, his tactics, formation and inability to motivate.
Only Bradford, Stockport & Leyton Orient, possibly, Salford & Northampton imo have stronger squads on paper. Possibly we are on par with Mansfield. We should be 6th or 7th, above Carlisle and and the 3 over achieving clubs Stevenage, Barrow & Sutton who all are where they are due to Managers getting the very best out of what they have.
For all your backslapping of the current squad on paper Campsall, we have absolutely nothing up front, barring Miller when not injured and not going on a 3 month barren spell, other than him, where is the goal output in our current squad to win us promotion? Hirst scores a few from out wide, Molyneux has been a big let down, the other strikers non existent, and only Biggins contributing from midfield with goals output, so i really don't think there is anything like enough goals up front or in the squad in general to be genuine promotion candidates, and goals and quality attacking players cost money!
Not having a go Campsall, just reigning in expectations of this current squad, there are no goals in it, even if players were firing, maybe some of them potentially in future seasons, but they are nowhere near individually or collectively having a consistent goal output for us to be challenging.
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Sorry are we living in the same Dimension, I see us with 51 points in the Bottom Division, Back where we were in 2003! how is that progress.
If we were in 51 points in the Championship, I would not be calling for heads to roll
Who is that in reply to?
If it’s me then have you read what i posted. Club Doncaster brings in revenue, it doesn’t take it out.
Club Doncaster is nothing whatsoever to do with us have only 51 points from 39 games in league 2.
That’s entirely down to rookie managers and a playing budget that is apparently now below what is required for automatic promotion and the play offs.
A good manager though would have got us in the top 7 imo. A our budget in August was around 5th to 7th but since the turn of the year has fallen to mid table. This is a very poor league
Which 7 clubs had a better squad than us in August or for that matter in January.
Yes it’s easy to say our players are not good enough now but the fact is this Coach (can’t call him a Manager, can’t really call him a coach.) has turned them into a bunch of quivering wrecks with his flawed way of playing, his tactics, formation and inability to motivate.
Only Bradford, Stockport & Leyton Orient, possibly, Salford & Northampton imo have stronger squads on paper. Possibly we are on par with Mansfield. We should be 6th or 7th, above Carlisle and and the 3 over achieving clubs Stevenage, Barrow & Sutton who all are where they are due to Managers getting the very best out of what they have.
For all your backslapping of the current squad on paper Campsall, we have absolutely nothing up front, barring Miller when not injured and not going on a 3 month barren spell, other than him, where is the goal output in our current squad to win us promotion? Hirst scores a few from out wide, Molyneux has been a big let down, the other strikers non existent, and only Biggins contributing from midfield with goals output, so i really don't think there is anything like enough goals up front or in the squad in general to be genuine promotion candidates, and goals and quality attacking players cost money!
Not having a go Campsall, just reigning in expectations of this current squad, there are not goals in it, even if players were firing, maybe some of them potentially in future seasons, but they are nowhere near individually or collectively having a consistent goal output for us to be challenging.
We would have a goal output if we played attacking football.
Miller scored 9 goals in the 1st 19 games didn’t he. 8 of those were before late October under GmS
It’s the formation and style of football that is the problem DEiY
There are goals in this team if he set the team up as he should be doing.
Miller, Hurst, Molyneuex, Biggins & Rowe if deployed as they should be should all have between 7/8 and 18/20 goals each in this league this season.
Anderson, Olowu, Close, should be getting 3/4 each also. Even the full backs should chip in with 1/2 each
Sorry there is no excuse whatsoever for this lack of goals. We don’t create chances so we are not going to score are we.
Sorry this is down to to total tactical ineptitude, stubbiness and his arrogance for not changing from what is so obvious to all but himself.
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Yes we need 3/4 players with steel next season if we are going to be top 3
This coach though still needs replacing as I don’t trust his tactical acumen to implement a system to produce attacking winning football.
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Sorry are we living in the same Dimension, I see us with 51 points in the Bottom Division, Back where we were in 2003! how is that progress.
If we were in 51 points in the Championship, I would not be calling for heads to roll
Who is that in reply to?
If it’s me then have you read what i posted. Club Doncaster brings in revenue, it doesn’t take it out.
Club Doncaster is nothing whatsoever to do with us have only 51 points from 39 games in league 2.
That’s entirely down to rookie managers and a playing budget that is apparently now below what is required for automatic promotion and the play offs.
A good manager though would have got us in the top 7 imo. A our budget in August was around 5th to 7th but since the turn of the year has fallen to mid table. This is a very poor league
Which 7 clubs had a better squad than us in August or for that matter in January.
Yes it’s easy to say our players are not good enough now but the fact is this Coach (can’t call him a Manager, can’t really call him a coach.) has turned them into a bunch of quivering wrecks with his flawed way of playing, his tactics, formation and inability to motivate.
Only Bradford, Stockport & Leyton Orient, possibly, Salford & Northampton imo have stronger squads on paper. Possibly we are on par with Mansfield. We should be 6th or 7th, above Carlisle and and the 3 over achieving clubs Stevenage, Barrow & Sutton who all are where they are due to Managers getting the very best out of what they have.
For all your backslapping of the current squad on paper Campsall, we have absolutely nothing up front, barring Miller when not injured and not going on a 3 month barren spell, other than him, where is the goal output in our current squad to win us promotion? Hirst scores a few from out wide, Molyneux has been a big let down, the other strikers non existent, and only Biggins contributing from midfield with goals output, so i really don't think there is anything like enough goals up front or in the squad in general to be genuine promotion candidates, and goals and quality attacking players cost money!
Not having a go Campsall, just reigning in expectations of this current squad, there are not goals in it, even if players were firing, maybe some of them potentially in future seasons, but they are nowhere near individually or collectively having a consistent goal output for us to be challenging.
We would have a goal output if we played attacking football.
Miller scored 9 goals in the 1st 19 games didn’t he. 8 of those were before late October under GmS
It’s the formation and style of football that is the problem DEiY
There are goals in this team if he set the team up as he should be doing.
Miller, Hurst, Molyneuex, Biggins & Rowe if deployed as they should be should all have between 7/8 and 18/20 goals each in this league this season.
Anderson, Olowu, Close, should be getting 3/4 each also. Even the full backs should chip in with 1/2 each
Sorry there is no excuse whatsoever for this lack of goals. We don’t create chances so we are not going to score are we.
Sorry this is down to to total tactical ineptitude, stubbiness and his arrogance for not changing from what is so obvious to all but himself.
But we weren't prolific under McSheffrey either despite being alot more direct. Any hopes we had were gone as soon as Tomlin proved he couldn't consistently perform.
I know what your saying but last time we got promoted we had Marquis, Williams, Rowe and Coppinger all in double figures.. this lot aren't a patch on them.. when we won the league in 03-04 and i accept that is scarily 20 years ago nearly, we had Blundell, Chris Brown, Leo Fortune West and McIndoe in double figures, and Paul Green and Akinfenwa also chipping in significantly! The current team have got potential but also inconsistency irrespective of formation and tactics.. and that is said not supporting the current shot shy tactics.
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Whilst I am in the "got to go" camp I get the feeling it's not going to happen. Certainly not this side of the seasons end, main reason is there is nothing to gain by sacking him we're not going up or down so leave it as it is. It matters to us as fans how we end our season but does it matter to those on control, it would appear not.
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Club Doncaster is not the problem, its been a success and Baldwin deserves credit for it. Its a great bit of income generation and soft power generation.
The problem is that the boards enthusiasm doesn't extend to the success of its sporting teams in that its funding and decision making has fallen woefully short for 2 years leading to a drastic decline.
I think people see the care and attention given to CD and point the finger at it, and not at the problem that's lead to that effect
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Agreed Donnybez, imho CD keeps us ticking over and that’s it. Trouble is, we need such a massive budget boost to allow us to build the squad back to any sort of level to be able to compete at the top end of this league. It has become destabilised by underfunding over the last few seasons.
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Maybe at the Grimsby game DB could wear a rovers shirt along with a red & white woolly hat and we could play "Where's Wally"?
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Agreed Donnybez, imho CD keeps us ticking over and that’s it. Trouble is, we need such a massive budget boost to allow us to build the squad back to any sort of level to be able to compete at the top end of this league. It has become destabilised by underfunding over the last few seasons.
CD has been a success in generating the £2mill pa that Rovers used to lose. However, there's nothing to say it can't carry on increasing revenues and be the source of future Rovers budgets.
But hey, some people want to get rid of it!
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Still not a word on the current situation from our non working invisible Chairman!
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It is hard to believe that Blunt doesn’t see fit to make an appearance and try to allay supporters fears.
He must think everything is going well.
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It is hard to believe that Blunt doesn’t see fit to make an appearance and try to allay supporters fears.
He must think everything is going well.
In his mind I guess he'd reply with why would he?
Copps is in charge of footballing matters so in his mind hes overseeing Copps. GB oversee's CD and thats running smoothly - though I'm sure as Chairman he'd have some oversight of that too.
This isn't me condoning him btw, I'd sooner see the back of him. I'm just trying to understand the flawed logic at play in the club right now.
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I wonder if Blunts position is salaried?
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I wonder if Blunts position is salaried?
No, it’s not.
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I wonder if Blunts position is salaried?
No, it’s not.
In that case, what is he getting out of it? Apart from the kudos of being a football club chairman, because he certainly appears to do nothing that a chairman should be doing
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He has a sizeable stake in the club (? Or Club Doncaster).
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He has a sizeable stake in the club (? Or Club Doncaster).
Both I believe
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/idlpqSoVOTylcZZR5bURnrxtF20/appointments
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He has a sizeable stake in the club (? Or Club Doncaster).
Both I believe
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/idlpqSoVOTylcZZR5bURnrxtF20/appointments
This does not detail his financial stake in the company only that he is a stakeholder in the sense that anyone who works for the company is although especially so at Director level. He could be a Director without being a shareholder.
It would be interesting to know what his shareholding is, also details of any loans, paid up capital etc.
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He has a sizeable stake in the club (? Or Club Doncaster).
Both I believe
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/idlpqSoVOTylcZZR5bURnrxtF20/appointments
This does not detail his financial stake in the company only that he is a stakeholder in the sense that anyone who works for the company is although especially so at Director level. He could be a Director without being a shareholder.
It would be interesting to know what his shareholding is, also details of any loans, paid up capital etc.
I believe he was given 1/3rd of the shares by TB
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I wonder if Blunts position is salaried?
No, it’s not.
It may not be salaried but he could be receiving benefits indirectly perhaps by channeling expenses incurred in running the company eg vehicle, accommodation, travel, entertaining expenses. He could also be receiving a salary from a company sub contracted to Doncaster Rovers Limited for any services provided which would be perfectly legitimate if the conflict of interest had been declared and approved by the board.
I am not saying he is, personally I doubt that he is to any extent, only that he could be and we would not necessarily know.
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'I believe he was given 1/3rd of the shares by TB'
If this is the case the question arises of what is the value of the shares, are they merely allocated and unpaid or have they been paid up and, if so how were they paid up ?
Knowing this would provide a more accurate view of his financial stake in the club.
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'I believe he was given 1/3rd of the shares by TB'
If this is the case the question arises of what is the value of the shares, are they merely allocated and unpaid or have they been paid up and, if so how were they paid up ?
Knowing this would provide a more accurate view of his financial stake in the club.
A bit of clarity might well give us an idea as to why he stays in position but doesn’t appear to do or say anything
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He has a sizeable stake in the club (? Or Club Doncaster).
Both I believe
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/idlpqSoVOTylcZZR5bURnrxtF20/appointments
This does not detail his financial stake in the company only that he is a stakeholder in the sense that anyone who works for the company is although especially so at Director level. He could be a Director without being a shareholder.
It would be interesting to know what his shareholding is, also details of any loans, paid up capital etc.
I believe he was given 1/3rd of the shares by TB
Bramall, Baldwin and Blunt each own 1/3 of the shares in Club Doncaster as of September 2020 (see link below). When we’ve had such significant shareholding change before (like Watson and Bramall joining the board initially), I believe that it’s been via a share issue which dilutes everyone else’s holding and the money goes straight into the club. I could be wrong but I think these shares were gifted to Baldwin and Blunt (ie they didn’t invest themselves) - I don’t think it was ever publicly disclosed (again, could be wrong).
Blunt must have put some money in at some stage, though, as in the last set of accounts there’s a loan for £140k owed to him. There’s also a loan for £3.5m owed to Bramall - I’d thought all the loans had been converted to equity but maybe that wasn’t until the last financial year.
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@NickDRFC
Bramall, Baldwin and Blunt each own 1/3 of the shares in Club Doncaster as of September 2020 (see link below). When we’ve had such significant shareholding change before (like Watson and Bramall joining the board initially), I believe that it’s been via a share issue which dilutes everyone else’s holding and the money goes straight into the club. I could be wrong but I think these shares were gifted to Baldwin and Blunt (ie they didn’t invest themselves) - I don’t think it was ever publicly disclosed (again, could be wrong).
When the Watson family dropped out, their shares were returned to Club Doncaster. All shares were later reallocated ( 20 Sep 2020?) one-third each, as you said. There are 2,881,966,244 shares nominal value £0.005 each (a total value of approximately £14.4 million).
Club Doncaster holds 98.42 of the shares of Doncaster Rovers (the remaining shares being held by Viking Supporters IPS and 3 individuals)
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'I believe he was given 1/3rd of the shares by TB'
If this is the case the question arises of what is the value of the shares, are they merely allocated and unpaid or have they been paid up and, if so how were they paid up ?
Knowing this would provide a more accurate view of his financial stake in the club.
A bit of clarity might well give us an idea as to why he stays in position but doesn’t appear to do or say anything
It doesn't really matter. He has shared that were given, no salary and is owed money from a loan.
I don't know why he does it, a good question to ask him, he may enjoy it, he may be doing it out of loyalty, who knows?
As for shares, I've said this before I'd imagine shares in a non profit making football with club with minimal assets are worth next to nothing in real terms.
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As for shares, I've said this before I'd imagine shares in a non profit making football with club with minimal assets are worth next to nothing in real terms.
Just to point out that the shares are not in Doncaster Rovers football club. They are in the Club Doncaster conglomerate, which includes the Community Sports and Education Foundation as well as the leases of the stadium and the Cantley training ground,
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Has anyone on here heard about any potential investors ?
Serious investors not random names like Mike Ashley’s future son in law and Lord Kirkham, serious investors
Was told be a very credible gent a month ago, that there are 4 interested parties, but only 1 name was mentioned which was Eco Power. Just how serious remains to be seen.
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Eco Power group with a total equity of £5m and who made an £800k loss last year. If that's the calibre of takeover bid I'll have a crack myself!
I want change and I want it as soon as possible but I really don't want to go from the frying pan to the fire.
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Eco Power group with a total equity of £5m and who made an £800k loss last year. If that's the calibre of takeover bid I'll have a crack myself!
I want change and I want it as soon as possible but I really don't want to go from the frying pan to the fire.
If that's true then they won't even be considered. And then the current owners will get more shit thrown at them for not selling!
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If those trading figures are correct I think we’ll soon be looking for a new club sponsor with a new name to the stadium!
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We do not want EcoPower to take over, from what Ive heard their business model isn't the best and very short term.
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It really doesn’t matter what ‘we’ want, it’s out of our hands - much like the current Chairman’s position at the moment!
The vast majority want him gone, but he’s still very much there and I’m not really sure who has the power to remove him! The only person I could see telling him his time is up would be TB, but they’re ex colleagues, so the circus continues.
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It really doesn’t matter what ‘we’ want, it’s out of our hands - much like the current Chairman’s position at the moment!
The vast majority want him gone, but he’s still very much there and I’m not really sure who has the power to remove him! The only person I could see telling him his time is up would be TB, but they’re ex colleagues, so the circus continues.
There are various ways he could be removed. As a shareholder a call on him to pay for his allocated shares would work but this assumes he has not paid for them already. He could be removed as a Director by a majority decision of the shareholders. Or he could be voted off the board by his fellow directors at a board meeting. All of these depend upon the wording of the company memorandum and articles of association though. It should be remembered that the directors are appointed by the shareholders who are effectively above them in authority although often one and the same.
I doubt there is a will at director / shareholder level for any of this to happen mind.
As has been observed already it is apparent that Mr..Blunt is somewhat dissinterested in DRFC and I suspect he would welcome a way out anyway.
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Does anyone think that in reality TB would sell to someone like Eco? Do they meet his idea of suitable owners? I think not
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Does anyone think that in reality TB would sell to someone like Eco? Do they meet his idea of suitable owners? I think not
No I don’t either. I can’t pretend to know a lot about eco power, but they don’t have many glowing references do they?
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Is there any way that Andrew Watson could return,and replace Blunt as chairman?