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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Chris Black come back on April 01, 2023, 05:45:59 pm
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6 at home, 4 away. We’ve managed 5 goals and drawn a blank in 6 games. 2 clean sheets. Total of 8 points at 0.8 ppg.
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He’s not good enough, the evidence is there.
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How many shots/shots on target have we had in the last 10?
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21 shots on target across the 10 games.
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How many shots/shots on target have we had in the last 10?
We average two per game.
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How many shots/shots on target have we had in the last 10?
We average two per game.
it’s just unacceptable
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Never mind the last 10, looking at the last 26 in the league it's shocking and only 4 teams with a shitter goal difference than us absolutely crap. The only game I'm going to go to if he is still in charge is Harrogate because I've got ticket and for pub crawl but moving forward they can b*llocks. I won't go again until the club is sorted, why should we waste our money when club don't give a flying f**k.
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Yeah, that's me done for this season now too. I'm already regretting renewing my season tickets yesterday.
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Yeah, that's me done for this season now too. I'm already regretting renewing my season tickets yesterday.
Cancel them then.
There is no stronger way of letting the club know how you feel.
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2 shots on target a game. Wow that’s horrible. And you know at least 2/3rds of those are catching practise
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First half yesterday their keeper could have done some knitting to keep himself occupied
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Is the loss of Clayton bigger than we thought? Not everyones cup of tea and mine included but maybe a massive loss in the dressing room and demanding more from his teammates? We had some god awful performances and results with him but it feels like we are certainly worse off with him. Granted losing Knoyle has also obviously made us worse also.
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The lost of Tomlin has been the biggest loss for me. Without the mediocre start with Tomlin in the side and GMC manager we would be in a relegation battle.
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How many shots/shots on target have we had in the last 10?
We average two per game.
it’s just unacceptable
It's an absolute joke, any club that is ambitious & want the best for their supporters & club would have acted by now. His position is now untenable for me. No other manager would survive this absolute garbage. We are a joke of a club at the minute, & are getting turned over by everybody now.
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The lost of Tomlin has been the biggest loss for me. Without the mediocre start with Tomlin in the side and GMC manager we would be in a relegation battle.
Tomlins quality was way above L2 standard. The fella we’ve missed the most recently is Maxwell, only player who looks like he wants to get forward. Coincidentally this recent horrific run started on his last game, which although a defeat we should have taken something. Since then, pretty much nothing.
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I don’t think I’ve seen such a predictably bad team in many a long year. Weak, lightweight, totally ineffective in attack, invisible in midfield and amateur hour in defence.
Controversial view perhaps - lots of injuries, lot of players likely told no deals with us next season, and season over so even retained players are unlikely to be fully committed.
We’re certainly not going up and I think now impossible to go down. Every game we lose is depressing and embarrassing but in scheme of things not crucial. Impact on fans less so.
But maybe we put this dire season to bed, allow a summer of recruitment and perhaps things look better come August?
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What odds would you get on us losing every remaining game- there might as well be some upside to the misery
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I don’t think I’ve seen such a predictably bad team in many a long year. Weak, lightweight, totally ineffective in attack, invisible in midfield and amateur hour in defence.
Controversial view perhaps - lots of injuries, lot of players likely told no deals with us next season, and season over so even retained players are unlikely to be fully committed. We’re certainly not going up and I think now impossible to go down. Every game we lose is depressing and embarrassing but in scheme of things not crucial. Impact on fans less so. But we put this fire season to bed, allow a summer of recruitment and maybe things look better come August?
This seemed to be the conclusion in Jan with the lack of business. If we are in and around the playoffs, great. If we aren't, we focus on a big summer. It's why barring something mega bad, Schofield isn't going anywhere IMO
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I don’t think I’ve seen such a predictably bad team in many a long year. Weak, lightweight, totally ineffective in attack, invisible in midfield and amateur hour in defence.
Controversial view perhaps - lots of injuries, lot of players likely told no deals with us next season, and season over so even retained players are unlikely to be fully committed. We’re certainly not going up and I think now impossible to go down. Every game we lose is depressing and embarrassing but in scheme of things not crucial. Impact on fans less so. But we put this fire season to bed, allow a summer of recruitment and maybe things look better come August?
This could be the case feels a long way off but it could happen. Issue I have is ending seasons so abjectly often leads into another abject season. Seen that last year.
If we finished the season mid table but were putting in half decent performances I don’t think they’d be the clamour to get rid. Now it just appears the rot is becoming terminal rather than been stopped.
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Got to go. End of.
This man has lost the players. Many of whom will be here next season.
No way he can turn this round. Don’t care who signs in the summer.
He is way out of his depth. Even more so than GMS imo.
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I don’t think I’ve seen such a predictably bad team in many a long year. Weak, lightweight, totally ineffective in attack, invisible in midfield and amateur hour in defence.
Controversial view perhaps - lots of injuries, lot of players likely told no deals with us next season, and season over so even retained players are unlikely to be fully committed. We’re certainly not going up and I think now impossible to go down. Every game we lose is depressing and embarrassing but in scheme of things not crucial. Impact on fans less so. But we put this fire season to bed, allow a summer of recruitment and maybe things look better come August?
This seemed to be the conclusion in Jan with the lack of business. If we are in and around the playoffs, great. If we aren't, we focus on a big summer. It's why barring something mega bad, Schofield isn't going anywhere IMO
Let's be hard headed for a moment.
The situation is that the owners are clearly not going to plunge into their pockets to fund our fantasies of where we, the fans, would like the club to be.
Accept that and follow the logic.
We have recruited so badly over the past 2 years that it is scarcely believable. Next year, we will still have the ball and chain of contracts we gave to players who are not good enough for this league, nevermind the one above.
If we'd spent more in January, made the playoffs and got promoted, we'd still have those players in L1. And without a very significant additional investment in the squad, we'd have been slaughtered.
I've been saying for 6 months that we don't turn this round quickly. The recruitment has been so bad for so long that we simply have to be patient and let the shocking decisions work their way off the books.
In that sense, I do have a certain sympathy for Schofield. He inherited a shockingly poor squad. He's not had money thrown at him to improve it instantaneously. But he's brought in players such as Lavery and Laykin who improved the overall quality.
The current collapse can't be judged outside the context of the injuries that we've suffered. We currently have 11 players missing who would be first choice or subs (Miller, Olowu, Lavery, Biggins, Laykin, Long, Younger, Taylor, Maxwell, Williams, Brown) while others have been in and out due to injuries (Anderson) or seem to be still struggling at 80% fitness (Rowe).
No club in this division could deal with an injury list like that, and I'm prepared to cut Schofield some slack for that.
But whatever we do with the manager, until we get fundamentally better players than we've signed these past 2 years we are not going to be any better.
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I broadly agree with this. Schofield could turn out to be worse than Weaver but it’s hard to be conclusive at the moment given the litany of terrible signings in the squad. He and Copps need to absolutely nail every single signing this summer. To be clear, they don’t need to be 10/10 players, just steady 7/10 players should all things being equal put us in content next season. It’s amazing that we are beyond abject yet still sit top half. We’ve made very hard work of a very poor league.
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No club in this division could deal with an injury list like that, and I'm prepared to cut Schofield some slack for that.
How many did Northampton have missing a couple of weeks back?
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No club in this division could deal with an injury list like that, and I'm prepared to cut Schofield some slack for that.
How many did Northampton have missing a couple of weeks back?
Northamton had 8 players in the starting XI who had made 30+ appearances for them this season.
We had 3.
Plus, rank bad as that match was, they only scored from 2 barely credible errors by Mitchell.
Maxwell was absolutely bang on yesterday. A huge number of goals we have conceded this season have come from individual, not systemic errors.
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I broadly agree with this. Schofield could turn out to be worse than Weaver but it’s hard to be conclusive at the moment given the litany of terrible signings in the squad. He and Copps need to absolutely bail every single signing this summer. To be clear, they don’t need to be 10/10 players, just steady 7/10 players should all things being equal put us in content next season. It’s amazing that we are beyond abject yet still sit top half. We’ve made very hard work of a very poor league.
This.
It is VERY difficult to judge Schofield as a manager when
a) He inherited a f**king awful squad and
b) half of that squad is injured.
I'm currently agnostic.
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No club in this division could deal with an injury list like that, and I'm prepared to cut Schofield some slack for that.
How many did Northampton have missing a couple of weeks back?
Northamton had 8 players in the starting XI who had made 30+ appearances for them this season.
We had 3.
Plus, rank bad as that match was, they only scored from 2 barely credible errors by Mitchell.
Maxwell was absolutely bang on yesterday. A huge number of goals we have conceded this season have come from individual, not systemic errors.
That wasn't the question though Billy
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6 at home, 4 away. We’ve managed 5 goals and drawn a blank in 6 games. 2 clean sheets. Total of 8 points at 0.8 ppg.
In mitigation:
Schofield inherited three strikers.
1 is not good enough for L1
1 is not good enough for the Conference.
1 is a decent striker but has f**ked up a string of good chances in this run by refusing ever to use his left foot. And he's now injured.
He's signed one who, while limited, does put a shift in. But is now injured.
I'm as worried as anyone else at how badly we've driven off the rails this past 6 weeks. But I do think we need to put Schofield's performance in some context.
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I broadly agree with this. Schofield could turn out to be worse than Weaver but it’s hard to be conclusive at the moment given the litany of terrible signings in the squad. He and Copps need to absolutely bail every single signing this summer. To be clear, they don’t need to be 10/10 players, just steady 7/10 players should all things being equal put us in content next season. It’s amazing that we are beyond abject yet still sit top half. We’ve made very hard work of a very poor league.
This.
It is VERY difficult to judge Schofield as a manager when
a) He inherited a f**king awful squad and
b) half of that squad is injured.
I'm currently agnostic.
but he’s not improved us in any facet of the game and his record is worse than his predecessor. There’s a benchmark there to judge him by straight away. Add to that his contempt for the fans in interview and point blank refusal to attempt to entertain them is more than enough to say see ya! He’s done nothing to endear himself to us. Which is this current climate is absolutely essential, to try and bridge the gaping divide between us and the club.
There’s nothing even historical to cling to, to suggest he has form to arrest this shit show.
Not one crumb of comfort. It’s just blind hope that something may change.
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No club in this division could deal with an injury list like that, and I'm prepared to cut Schofield some slack for that.
How many did Northampton have missing a couple of weeks back?
Northamton had 8 players in the starting XI who had made 30+ appearances for them this season.
We had 3.
Plus, rank bad as that match was, they only scored from 2 barely credible errors by Mitchell.
Maxwell was absolutely bang on yesterday. A huge number of goals we have conceded this season have come from individual, not systemic errors.
That wasn't the question though Billy
No. Ok
Northampton were missing.
Injured
Koki, Magloire, Fox, McWilliams - regular first teamers
Odimayo - in and out of first team before injury
Dyche - 4 starts in his career
International duty:
King - Second choice keeper.
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I broadly agree with this. Schofield could turn out to be worse than Weaver but it’s hard to be conclusive at the moment given the litany of terrible signings in the squad. He and Copps need to absolutely bail every single signing this summer. To be clear, they don’t need to be 10/10 players, just steady 7/10 players should all things being equal put us in content next season. It’s amazing that we are beyond abject yet still sit top half. We’ve made very hard work of a very poor league.
This.
It is VERY difficult to judge Schofield as a manager when
a) He inherited a f**king awful squad and
b) half of that squad is injured.
I'm currently agnostic.
but he’s not improved us in any facet of the game and his record is worse than his predecessor. There’s a benchmark there to judge him by straight away. Add to that his contempt for the fans in interview and point blank refusal to attempt to entertain them is more than enough to say see ya! He’s done nothing to endear himself to us. Which is this current climate is absolutely essential, to try and bridge the gaping divide between us and the club.
There’s nothing even historical to cling to, to suggest he has form to arrest this shit show.
Not one crumb of comfort. It’s just blind hope that something may change.
McSheffrey, working with the squad he himself had largely put together, and with a pre-season behind him, won 21 points in the first 14 games. 14 of those points came in the first 6 games. 7 in the final 8.
Schofield, inheriting that squad in a massive nosedive won 25 points in his first 16 games.
Yes the wheels have come off badly as injuries have ripped the core of the squad out. And yes, how badly we have performed in the last 9 games while those injuries have hit has been very worrying.
But to say he hasn't improved on the shit show he inherited is simply wrong.
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I don’t think I’ve seen such a predictably bad team in many a long year. Weak, lightweight, totally ineffective in attack, invisible in midfield and amateur hour in defence.
Controversial view perhaps - lots of injuries, lot of players likely told no deals with us next season, and season over so even retained players are unlikely to be fully committed. We’re certainly not going up and I think now impossible to go down. Every game we lose is depressing and embarrassing but in scheme of things not crucial. Impact on fans less so. But we put this fire season to bed, allow a summer of recruitment and maybe things look better come August?
This seemed to be the conclusion in Jan with the lack of business. If we are in and around the playoffs, great. If we aren't, we focus on a big summer. It's why barring something mega bad, Schofield isn't going anywhere IMO
Let's be hard headed for a moment.
The situation is that the owners are clearly not going to plunge into their pockets to fund our fantasies of where we, the fans, would like the club to be.
Accept that and follow the logic.
We have recruited so badly over the past 2 years that it is scarcely believable. Next year, we will still have the ball and chain of contracts we gave to players who are not good enough for this league, nevermind the one above.
If we'd spent more in January, made the playoffs and got promoted, we'd still have those players in L1. And without a very significant additional investment in the squad, we'd have been slaughtered.
I've been saying for 6 months that we don't turn this round quickly. The recruitment has been so bad for so long that we simply have to be patient and let the shocking decisions work their way off the books.
In that sense, I do have a certain sympathy for Schofield. He inherited a shockingly poor squad. He's not had money thrown at him to improve it instantaneously. But he's brought in players such as Lavery and Laykin who improved the overall quality.
The current collapse can't be judged outside the context of the injuries that we've suffered. We currently have 11 players missing who would be first choice or subs (Miller, Olowu, Lavery, Biggins, Laykin, Long, Younger, Taylor, Maxwell, Williams, Brown) while others have been in and out due to injuries (Anderson) or seem to be still struggling at 80% fitness (Rowe).
No club in this division could deal with an injury list like that, and I'm prepared to cut Schofield some slack for that.
But whatever we do with the manager, until we get fundamentally better players than we've signed these past 2 years we are not going to be any better.
BST how many good performances and wins have we had when most of those players have been fit?
Only Taylor & Younger have missed the whole season bar was it 2/3 appearances by Taylor.
Anderson and Olowu have been a miss agreed when they haven’t played but Williams has been awful apart from the first 6/7 games. Long simply is not good enough, Lavery is hardly a 15/20 goalscorer in this league. Lavery, Lakin & Brown have only been with us since late January anyway.
Biggins and Maxwell we have missed over the last few weeks but both players blow hot and cold and are not consistent. That leaves only Miller & he has hardly been missed imo no fault of his own but because he receives so little quality service he isn’t going to be prolific. DS style has killed Miller’s self belief and his confidence, when presented with a chance has dissipated.
I think he has managed only 4 goals since DS took over the reigns in October. 2 in one game.
So for me BST you’re trying to find excuses for the abysmal performances DS has presided over since he became head coach.
Sorry you or me could have got this lot playing a more entertaining brand of football and got probably another 15 points on the board.
This is a pretty average league and i am being very polite with the word average.
A good experienced manager would have got this team in to the top 5/6/7 without a shadow of doubt imo.
Paul Simpson would have done. You’re not telling me Carlisle have better individual players than we do.
They are playing better as a team unit because they have a manger who knows how to get the best from what he has. Play a system that works. It is not rocket science.
DS has to go if he is with us next season we are in massive trouble.
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The injury list is large at the moment but its only very recently that it become significant. Go back to the Harrogate game less than a month ago see that Schofield had his strongest XI to choose from.
Poor performances go back a lot further than that.
And injuries happen, what matters it's how you adapt to mitigate the impact. That's what good managers do. What happens if Schofield gets injuries next season and refuses to adapt to the situation at hand? Shrug our shoulders and bemoan how "unlucky" we were again as another season gets pissed away?
He's lost the fans as well. That matters, even if the board think that he doesn't objectively deserve to be sacked. If the board are looking at the finances and crowds are forecast to be below 5000 as things stand, then sometimes you have to swim with the tide and give people what they want.
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Didn’t Copps build the squad? It’s supposed to take the excuse of managers doing a full rebuild out of the equation. Are we still using this excuse because if we are then the HoF role is a waste of time
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The injury list is large at the moment but its only very recently that it become significant. Go back to the Harrogate game less than a month ago see that Schofield had his strongest XI to choose from.
Poor performances go back a lot further than that.
And injuries happen, what matters it's how you adapt to mitigate the impact. That's what good managers do. What happens if Schofield gets injuries next season and refuses to adapt to the situation at hand? Shrug our shoulders and bemoan how "unlucky" we were again as another season gets pissed away?
He's lost the fans as well. That matters, even if the board think that he doesn't objectively deserve to be sacked. If the board are looking at the finances and crowds are forecast to be below 5000 as things stand, then sometimes you have to swim with the tide and give people what they want.
I entirely agree that a manager has to cope with what fortune chucks at him over a season.
But as I keep saying...context.
Part of the problem we have at the monent, in fact I'd say THE major part of the problem, is that our recruitment has been so f**king dreadful for 2 years that we have little back up in key areas.
So, we lose two strikers to injury, and literally the only alternative we have is a kid just turned 18. Because we are spending wages on long term contracts for two strikers who aren't remotely of the standard required.
We lose our only dedicated left back and we have no alternatives but to play a hopelessly out of form Rowe there, or play a right winger there.
We lose two central midfielders and we have no alternative but to play Ravenhill, who is considered good enough for loan spells at National League North clubs.
As I keep saying, if we don't deal with the core problem of how utterly awful our recruitment has been for 2 years, the manager's position is nigh on irrelevant.
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There hasn’t been an injury crisis in defence, where a lot of goals have come from attempts to play out from the back.
We had near first choice XIs for Bradford, Stockport and HARROGATE TOWN. We didn’t lay a glove on any.
Let’s not forget Mansfield where “the performance was there”.
BST you are very correct on recruitment though. Taking a more pragmatic approach to playing style makes recruitment safer. We will only be able to afford gambles and punts for them to be good enough for this system. That means more dossers like Reo Griffiths.