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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on April 03, 2023, 12:15:25 pm
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So our spectacular fall from grace over the last few games continued v Crewe on Saturday with probably the worst team performance in the first half since we last went out of the league in the 1990's and little sign that our much vaunted coach/ manager whatever he is just ignores what is before his eyes and carries on regardless.
Will we ditch the dream football and be competitive at last on Friday, will we be the ultimate Easter Bunnies and roll over and die once again while religiously following the managers instructions of fast flowing football from dream land.
Reflecting on Saturdays performance and the clubs dire position Clayton's ( the Bradford City player of the month by the way) and Tomlins stance are now not so surprising, it's hard to see seasoned professionals standing for so much bull shit and the showing up they were going to have to endure knowing we were incapable of the managements vision of complicating a simple game with the players at their disposal some of which are not even Division 2 standard.
The two shining lights were both from the academy and the youngest on show, Faulkner and the even younger Goodman, their problem being it seems keeping their place that their performances should guarantee, being from the academy seems to be a disadvantage and in Faulkners case the first one to be jettisoned from the team while more technical players give goals away week in week out farting about with the ball in the penalty area or having air shots the oppositions striker says thank you very much for take that 1-0 to Crewe.
So on to Gillingham, the prettiest little town in England not, but a team that seems to have hit their bottom and are now getting better, at a place where we get nothing usually even when we were a decent team.
Their last two home games were wins v Carlisle who mullered us and Crewe who made us realise how poor we are Saturday so not a good looking game for us to contemplate travelling all that way to watch, anyone that does really are die hard fans and have my utmost respect.
Olowu's injury does not help if not fit, he is one of our better players, and no doubt our coach will be looking at his runes and planning a tactical masterpiece, although if the Gillingham manager phones the Crewe manager he will be able to tell him exactly what to expect no doubt.
So what do you think? how will the names come out of the hat this week to play? who would you pick?
lot's to talk about , please have your say.
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One thing for sure , get your house on Gillingham
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We'll put 11 players on the field.
They'll follow the process.
We'll lose.
Fans will vocally let our feelings be known.
The club won't listen.
Aaaaaaaaannndddd repeat.
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No.
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One thing for sure , get your house on Gillingham
we couldn't even beat Gillingham Town at the moment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillingham_Town_F.C.
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Remember those Hitler parodies? Someone did one about the Rovers.
Another one with Schofield as Adolf with his bemused lieutenants standing around too scared to argue would be about right.
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I%u2019ve probably been there almost as many times as I%u2019ve been to Doncaster in the past 4 or 5 years and I have disliked it even when we have (occasionally) won.
Their very vocal owner was unpopular for years and years and you would not have expected anyone to have wanted to take them over - yet it happened. And the previous owner is still hanging on to some of his shares. The other interesting thing is that Neil Harris has kept his job. Then again he has had success at other clubs and therefore a lot of experience.
I shall not go this time, but despite everything, I don%u2019t expect I will be able to resist the live stream.
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Remember those Hitler parodies? Someone did one about the Rovers.
Another one with Schofield as Adolf with his bemused lieutenants standing around too scared to argue would be about right.
If Saturday was owt to go by, one of his liuetenants Greeny seemed to very annoyed by the display and actually wandered up to point flaws out only for DS to shake his head?
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Gillingham spent big in January, and signed players like George Lapslie and Ollie Hawkins.
I've a feeling we'll get blathered.
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They have a superb recent home record - won 7 and lost 1 of their last 8 home league games. Most of them have been dross but still, a very good run.
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They have a superb recent home record - won 7 and lost 1 of their last 8 home league games. Most of them have been dross but still, a very good run.
You're right, CBCB, some of them will have been dross, but we're on a different level of dross to anyone in the league at the moment.
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Gillingham spent big in January, and signed players like George Lapslie and Ollie Hawkins.
I've a feeling we'll get blathered.
How did they do that, SS? Everybody knows there's no talent worthy of the word available in January.
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Can’t be bothered to take about it
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Gillingham spent big in January, and signed players like George Lapslie and Ollie Hawkins.
I've a feeling we'll get blathered.
How did they do that, SS? Everybody knows there's no talent worthy of the word available in January.
Exactly. Apparently, they were taken over by new owners who've invested heavily in the playing side.
It shows that it can be done. I guess they're just lucky. Like Wrexham.
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Who would have thought that investing in the playing side could actually improve things? Whatever next - getting an experienced manager in?
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Remember those Hitler parodies? Someone did one about the Rovers.
Another one with Schofield as Adolf with his bemused lieutenants standing around too scared to argue would be about right.
If Saturday was owt to go by, one of his liuetenants Greeny seemed to very annoyed by the display and actually wandered up to point flaws out only for DS to shake his head?
Aye Greeny was definitely not a happy bunny. Him and Chad were definitely not seeing eye to eye.
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There’s your next rovers manager Paul Green.
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There’s your next rovers manager Paul Green.
*Interim*
I'm sorry but Butler, Wellens and McSheffrey have put me off ex drfc player managers
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Any predictions of the score line against Gillingham?
I'm going 4-0 to Gillingham.
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3 or 4 nil I’d say. We’re going to get thoroughly rogered unless there’s been some kind of miracle between last weekend and this.
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Who would have thought that investing in the playing side could actually improve things? Whatever next - getting an experienced manager in?
Gillingham were spending to stay in the decision though. We were supposedly looking at players to not only get into the play offs but step up to League 1 if we were promoted.
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Any predictions of the score line against Gillingham?
I'm going 4-0 to Gillingham.
21 October 1995 last time Gillingham managed to score 4 at home against us (4-0).
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I can see us getting Crucified on Good Friday.
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Yep they’ve only got to put crosses in and they’ll nail it
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But will we make a comeback on Monday?
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Who would have thought that investing in the playing side could actually improve things? Whatever next - getting an experienced manager in?
Gillingham were spending to stay in the decision though. We were supposedly looking at players to not only get into the play offs but step up to League 1 if we were promoted.
I think it's a bit more than that, Idler. Gillingham have spent a lot this January, and I reckon they're building a side for promotion next season.
Some of the players they have now would be OK in League 1 IMO.
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Just out of interest, well not really, if games are stopped to allow breaking the fast for Ramadan what allowances should be made for devout Christians, we have at least one, on Good Friday? A 20 minute sermon, prayers and a choir?
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From past experience of visits to Gillingham for past games, if the players are not up for a physical challenge, and normally getting very little from the referee it will be a long journey back to Doncaster after the game.
Another poor showing in mid field and we will be over powered.
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With Olowu out with a grade 2 tear of his hamstring then looks like Bobby should be playing every game now. So the back three and midfield have got to be up for a physical battle and they have skilful players aswell since January
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Any supporter travelling down there to watch this deserves a medal. I fear a right mullering.
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As the saying goes, "don't let the football get in the way of a good afternoon out at the football" lol
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I think I could have written the replies Schofield supplied to the Radio Sheffield man in his pre-match interview. He has such a limited vocabulary. There is a series of well-worn phrases and zero information. When asked what he had learned about himself he just trotted out the usual trite phrases. He likes to give the impression that whatever happens he knows how to handle it intellectually. He's got all the words to fit any occasion and it's very obvious that his actions don't match up.
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I read that today's game is our 4000th league game. That's quite something.
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I think I could have written the replies Schofield supplied to the Radio Sheffield man in his pre-match interview. He has such a limited vocabulary. There is a series of well-worn phrases and zero information. When asked what he had learned about himself he just trotted out the usual trite phrases. He likes to give the impression that whatever happens he knows how to handle it intellectually. He's got all the words to fit any occasion and it's very obvious that his actions don't match up.
Not too dissimilar to Darren Moore then plus many other managers across the country who attend the sane media training when doing their badges no doubt.
Football always has been full of clichés. It irritates more of course when we loss.
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I think I could have written the replies Schofield supplied to the Radio Sheffield man in his pre-match interview. He has such a limited vocabulary. There is a series of well-worn phrases and zero information. When asked what he had learned about himself he just trotted out the usual trite phrases. He likes to give the impression that whatever happens he knows how to handle it intellectually. He's got all the words to fit any occasion and it's very obvious that his actions don't match up.
Not too dissimilar to Darren Moore then plus many other managers across the country who attend the sane media training when doing their badges no doubt.
Football always has been full of clichés. It irritates more of course when we loss.
Yep, and it's been taken up by supporter too. "Strong Spine", "Protect The Defence" and many more...... Yep, it irritates me too :scarf:
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No Tom Anderson again. Absolutely embarrassing to give the guy a contract AND the armband.
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Is Anderson injured again?seems like a liability.
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I think unless its a bereavement there is no excuse. He misses far too many games.
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He’s a good player but 2.5 years was not justified. It would likely help him and us if he moved on this summer to a fresh challenge. This looks like a bad decision, as some people thought at the time.
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No Tom Anderson again. Absolutely embarrassing to give the guy a contract AND the armband.
Taylor anyone ? But think Anderson is trying to play unlike some !
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Nothing changes does it
1-0 down 44mins
Sunning myself at Headingley
Yorks 517
Leic. 91-3
You guys at Priestfield are superstars
I mean the fans
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Nothing changes does it
1-0 down 44mins
Sunning myself at Headingley
Yorks 517
Leic. 91-3
You guys at Priestfield are superstars
I mean the fans
You’ve picked the correct option, however don’t worry all will be well next season, if we can attract some decent players, we will struggle with decent loan signings next season as our contacts in the football world are limited.
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We'll put 11 players on the field.
They'll follow the process.
We'll lose.
Fans will vocally let our feelings be known.
The club won't listen.
Aaaaaaaaannndddd repeat.
You can call me Mystic Bez
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We are improving 9 shots
3 on target
Anyone blaming this sh.tb show on injuries is living in cloud cuckoo land
Where did Rowe play today anyone?
BBC formation made no sense as usual
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We are improving 9 shots
3 on target
Anyone blaming this sh.tb show on injuries is living in cloud cuckoo land
Where did Rowe play today anyone?
BBC formation made no sense as usual
Tommy played in midfield, with Barlow and Westbrook playing in more advanced positions, supposedly supporting young Goodman. Luke Molyneux played at LWB and did OK to be fair. But it will come as no surprise to you to hear that at no point during the game, despite being a goal down, did he change formation or try anything 'a bit different'.
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I read that today's game is our 4000th league game. That's quite something.
Would of thought it was more if copps alone hit 500
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Molyneux did well today. Disciplined and then second half really pushed forward well. Close, Westbrooke and Rowe tidy in midfield.
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This has been a classical example of where our "process"driven formation has hit the buffers.
Gillingham are a very basic 4th tier team, big strong and committed with very little skill and enterprise. They get a goal arguably against the run of play at the time after our very slow start due to their own "process" outsmarting ours, big striker takes the attention of the defence and their other striker ghosts in on the back post, unmarked and scores, that we had to rely on the defensive attributes of Moly at left wingback did not help the situation.
And that was the extent of their ambition for the rest of the game, they just knew they could allow us to have the ball in front of them and we could still be playing now without really troubling their keeper. We just play negative and pointless triangles in midfield, usually ending up with the ball finding its way back to Mitchell, where's the creativity, go forward and gut busting surges forward to relieve our beleaguered and massively out gunned lone forward, Goodman tried his best but was marked by three big defenders who took turns to kick lumps out of him throughout the match without any protection from poor officials. That he finally succumbed to the effort and was replaced by the statue that is Agard proved no help whatsoever to our chances, what's the point of asking him to compete for lofted balls with a group of defenders around him and no one to offer any outlet or help?
Gillingham just knew that they could sit back and protect their lead with no threat from our attacking play because it just petered out to nothingness each time, all the build up and passing in your own half and in the middle of the field counts for nothing when your final goal efforts none threatening.
Could he produce a better effort with better players? we had a very reduced side out there today and in all honestly its performed fractionally better than when we were at full strength with this process. i'm just not convinced that his tactics can produce football of the quality to keep us in this league never mind promotion regardless of who he fetches in, every player he's brought in has had to be transformed into a scared and risk averse poor imitation of themselves.
We are going backwards at an alarming rate and it looks like no one wants to take control of the situation, money thrown at this management team will be wasted on weak, small ineffective players, with no pace, strength, determination and desire, just a nothing team playing a nothing style with no vision or idea.
We are royally fuc**d if no one steps in and says enough of this diatribe, we need a reset and a manager who fits the description, nothing les will suffice unless we look forward to none league next season.
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I read that today's game is our 4000th league game. That's quite something.
Would of thought it was more if copps alone hit 500
Even at 46 games a season (it has only relatively recently been so high) that’s 86 seasons. We were in and out of the league for decades after formation. Only in 20s I think did we stay in regularly.
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How did Faulkner and Goodman play? genuine question I have seen and heard nothing due to an hospital appointment.
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I read that today's game is our 4000th league game. That's quite something.
Would of thought it was more if copps alone hit 500
Well, Copps was playing for us for 16 years so if you multiply that out and someone in turn made 500 appearances every successive 16 years it would go back 128 years.
(4000 games divided by 500 games equals 16)
Bearing in mind we were out of the FL for some seasons too and it does stack up.
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Was there a post match interview with Schofield?
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The defence did not have a great deal to do to be honest, Hawkins managed to draw them all towards him leaving Nichols alone at the back stick to fire home, after this they basically went through the motions and managed to keep them under control in that they did not have too much goal threat after the goal, i thought Seaman and Moly could of pushed up more and helped out further forward as Goodman was getting kicked all over the field whenever the ball was close, unfortunately no one else was anywhere near him so if he had been able to hold up any play he would of had little opportunity to bring anyone else into the game, we went for the more dependable solidity? of Westbrooke instead of Hurst and it didn't really work, Barlow worked hard and had some good touches but again had very little support and was closed out mostly by there no nonsense defence.
They sat off mostly in the second half and allowed us plenty of the ball, we did our usual and played our shapes in midfield but never really managed to penetrate them or display any sort of danger to their back line.
Very frustrating game to watch because you just knew we were toothless in attack as they did and DS did not really make any effort to change proceedings, sticking with his same "process" even when Agard Ravenhill and Brown came on, in fact if anything we became even less effective if that was possible.
Im still to see any evidence that DS can make effective use of increased funding, his play is so turgid and slow that even teams in the bottom third have very little difficulty in dealing with our toothless formation.
He's transformed all the team into scared, risk averse percentage play merchants with no license for any individual flair or creativity allowed to manifest itself, the players are confused and scared to alter from the set plan, its almost dictatorship like in its homage.
Difficult times, i just cannot see us getting another point this season, TB needs to weld the axe now before we ruin any chance of having some sort of momentum going into next season, the hard decisions need to be made for the overall good of the club.
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It was another hard to watch . Your right about trying get some sort of momentum but it’s going to hard with so many players missing .
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It was another hard to watch . Your right about trying get some sort of momentum but it’s going to hard with so many players missing .
I honestly don't think we missed any of the missing players, barr Maxwell the rest for me are no better than what was put out today, i just don't buy into this "lets use T Rowe as the deep lying midfielder, why? if he's got anything left in his legs he should of been playing in the Westbrooke role pushing on and trying to provide some support for Goodman, what do they teach these coaches these days?
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I read that today's game is our 4000th league game. That's quite something.
Would of thought it was more if copps alone hit 500
Even at 46 games a season (it has only relatively recently been so high) that’s 86 seasons. We were in and out of the league for decades after formation. Only in 20s I think did we stay in regularly.
This is our 91st season in the Football League,
3 seasons in 4 years in the 1900s;
16 seasons from 1923-24 to start of WW2;
52 seasons from after WW2 to 1997-98;
another 20 since returning to the league in 2003-04
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We are improving 9 shots
3 on target
Anyone blaming this sh.tb show on injuries is living in cloud cuckoo land
Where did Rowe play today anyone?
BBC formation made no sense as usual
Tommy played in midfield, with Barlow and Westbrook playing in more advanced positions, supposedly supporting young Goodman. Luke Molyneux played at LWB and did OK to be fair. But it will come as no surprise to you to hear that at no point during the game, despite being a goal down, did he change formation or try anything 'a bit different'.
Well there is a surprise H G He also Brings on Kyle Hurst after 91 mins, brilliant.
Why the obsession with 3 centre backs and wing backs i just don’t get.
It wouldn’t be so bad if the wing backs got up in the opposition last third & get crosses in but they they don’t.
So we are basically playing with a back 5
If he is still Head Coach in May then i despair. We are on the slippery road to the unthinkable.
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Didn’t see the game today. Was there less passing it around the back today?
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This has been a classical example of where our "process"driven formation has hit the buffers.
Gillingham are a very basic 4th tier team, big strong and committed with very little skill and enterprise. They get a goal arguably against the run of play at the time after our very slow start due to their own "process" outsmarting ours, big striker takes the attention of the defence and their other striker ghosts in on the back post, unmarked and scores, that we had to rely on the defensive attributes of Moly at left wingback did not help the situation.
And that was the extent of their ambition for the rest of the game, they just knew they could allow us to have the ball in front of them and we could still be playing now without really troubling their keeper. We just play negative and pointless triangles in midfield, usually ending up with the ball finding its way back to Mitchell, where's the creativity, go forward and gut busting surges forward to relieve our beleaguered and massively out gunned lone forward, Goodman tried his best but was marked by three big defenders who took turns to kick lumps out of him throughout the match without any protection from poor officials. That he finally succumbed to the effort and was replaced by the statue that is Agard proved no help whatsoever to our chances, what's the point of asking him to compete for lofted balls with a group of defenders around him and no one to offer any outlet or help?
Gillingham just knew that they could sit back and protect their lead with no threat from our attacking play because it just petered out to nothingness each time, all the build up and passing in your own half and in the middle of the field counts for nothing when your final goal efforts none threatening.
Could he produce a better effort with better players? we had a very reduced side out there today and in all honestly its performed fractionally better than when we were at full strength with this process. i'm just not convinced that his tactics can produce football of the quality to keep us in this league never mind promotion regardless of who he fetches in, every player he's brought in has had to be transformed into a scared and risk averse poor imitation of themselves.
We are going backwards at an alarming rate and it looks like no one wants to take control of the situation, money thrown at this management team will be wasted on weak, small ineffective players, with no pace, strength, determination and desire, just a nothing team playing a nothing style with no vision or idea.
We are royally fuc**d if no one steps in and says enough of this diatribe, we need a reset and a manager who fits the description, nothing les will suffice unless we look forward to none league next season.
100% great post. Exactly as I see it.
Just can’t understand that Copps can’t see it or doesn’t want to see it.
TB will be throwing his money down a dirty great big hole if DS is allowed to carry on his “process “ next season.
I don’t see us winning another game this season. The very best we will do is 3 draws and 3 defeats.
In all possibility we could lose all 6 remaining games.
Does Copps then see the light and say enough is enough or does he turn a blind eye and allow this disintegration to continue.
At what point does the red light start flashing?
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I watched the first half and went to the pub. I didnt see the 2nd half but that was not a performance. I dont care whether Close had a decent shot saved or we had one cleared off the line. I dont care we have a lot of injuries either. Them players are an embarrassment to the shirt. As for the manager... i turned his interview off after 30 seconds. Positive performance. Unfortunate not to get anything out of it? What did i miss in that 2nd half?? We need him gone
instantly.
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Didn’t see the game today. Was there less passing it around the back today?
Yes. This was quite noticeable. Probably 50/50. Lots of balls punted long.
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Thanks for the comments on Faulkner and Goodman lads.
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It’s took him how long to figure out that we need to go longer and mix the restarts up. When will he figure out playing 5 defenders isn’t the optimal way to score goals!
I can’t remember a manager at the club having such a majority of fans turn on on them in such a strong way and lasting this long. Most fans aren’t stupid and know the score. Would be very unusual for such a core of fans be be completely wrong.
By keeping him Copps is basically saying everyone else is clueless. Yes you have to back yourself but this is beyond ridiculous
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19 defeats from 40 games and a -15 goal difference in League Two. Utterly depressing.
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It was another hard to watch . Your right about trying get some sort of momentum but it’s going to hard with so many players missing .
I honestly don't think we missed any of the missing players, barr Maxwell the rest for me are no better than what was put out today, i just don't buy into this "lets use T Rowe as the deep lying midfielder, why? if he's got anything left in his legs he should of been playing in the Westbrooke role pushing on and trying to provide some support for Goodman, what do they teach these coaches these days?
What?
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19 defeats from 40 games and a -15 goal difference in League Two. Utterly depressing.
47 defeats in last 2 seasons, that’s more that a full season of defeats, us poor fans
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No criticism of those who went obviously but our away crowd yesterday was 192 people, which was by far the smallest away crowd in League Two yesterday.
In fact it was less than half the next smallest (Walsall took only 449 to Rochdale). I know Gillingham is not easiest place to get to but this should set alarm bells ringing that people are giving up, albeit in a pointless fixture.
The highest interestingly enough was 1192 Hartlepool supporters who went to Grimsby to see their 4-1 hammering of Grimsby. That’s literally 10x our away crowd for a side that is in the League Two relegation zone.
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If we were in Hartlepools position playing Grimsby away we would be selling out
We’ve nothing at all to play for I’m surprised even that many went to Gillingham
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No criticism of those who went obviously but our away crowd yesterday was 192 people, which was by far the smallest away crowd in League Two yesterday.
In fact it was less than half the next smallest (Walsall took only 449 to Rochdale). I know Gillingham is not easiest place to get to but this should set alarm bells ringing that people are giving up, albeit in a pointless fixture.
The highest interestingly enough was 1192 Hartlepool supporters who went to Grimsby to see their 4-1 hammering of Grimsby. That’s literally 10x our away crowd for a side that is in the League Two relegation zone.
Wrexham took 4.5k to halifax, amazing what some investment does to a fanbase.,
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If we were in Hartlepools position playing Grimsby away we would be selling out
We’ve nothing at all to play for I’m surprised even that many went to Gillingham
Its a good job others don't have this mentality towards the club, if this road is taken to its logical conclusion then its goodbye to the club from a great many fans who's cash input is the difference between carrying on at some sort of reasonable level or folding.
Remember every time we have a dip like this a great many fans then use this as an excuse to not bother coming back, some don't ever come back. Is this going to progress the club forward?
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If we were in Hartlepools position playing Grimsby away we would be selling out
We’ve nothing at all to play for I’m surprised even that many went to Gillingham
Its a good job others don't have this mentality towards the club, if this road is taken to its logical conclusion then its goodbye to the club from a great many fans who's cash input is the difference between carrying on at some sort of reasonable level or folding.
Remember every time we have a dip like this a great many fans then use this as an excuse to not bother coming back, some don't ever come back. Is this going to progress the club forward?
It’s not rocket science though is it, any club with nothing to play for having an away game hundreds of miles away wouldn’t be taking many fans.
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No criticism of those who went obviously but our away crowd yesterday was 192 people, which was by far the smallest away crowd in League Two yesterday.
In fact it was less than half the next smallest (Walsall took only 449 to Rochdale). I know Gillingham is not easiest place to get to but this should set alarm bells ringing that people are giving up, albeit in a pointless fixture.
The highest interestingly enough was 1192 Hartlepool supporters who went to Grimsby to see their 4-1 hammering of Grimsby. That’s literally 10x our away crowd for a side that is in the League Two relegation zone.
Can’t remember us ever taking over 350 fans to Gillingham CBcb it is not the most popular place to visit.
Coaches park a 20 min walk away for a start. Up to last time we played you were seated on an open a terrace behind the goal open to the elements.
I have now missed our last 3 league games there plus an FA cup tie.
Surprised 192 turned up. 50 of them probably live in the London area & the South East.
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350 probably a made up statistic. We’ve certainly had much bigger crowds there than 192.