Viking Supporters Co-operative
Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on April 07, 2023, 05:23:00 pm
-
… please get someone in that has the nous to build a team and adapt to situations please, or those significant funds will be wasted
-
Announcing as he did further investment, TB failed to say what it would and would not be spent on , would it not have been prudent to say what is significant in L2 terms . Everyone thinks it will mean a huge shift in attitude towards paying transfer or agent fees , or going toe to toe in a bidding war over a striker etc . Without knowing if the investment is to cover future seasons or just to settle the club and supporters down . But it’s good news that more money is at last been talked about.
-
Announcing as he did further investment, TB failed to say what it would and would not be spent on , would it not have been prudent to say what is significant in L2 terms . Everyone thinks it will mean a huge shift in attitude towards paying transfer or agent fees , or going toe to toe in a bidding war over a striker etc . Without knowing if the investment is to cover future seasons or just to settle the club and supporters down . But it’s good news that more money is at last been talked about.
It is good news. For me personally it has to be exactly that "significant" to make me go back. I dont want us to want to get to League One and be happy to set up camp there. I want the club to dream again. If we want to get back to League One because its easier to live there then im not bothered. Rotherham took a decent step to survivalin the championship today beating West Brom 3-1 infront of a decent sized home crowd. Our fans are content with having shots on target against a bang average L2 set up.
-
Is the message of more funds being made available sufficient to change already disillusioned supporters .
Waiting to see how things play out after such a painful season may not do the trick for some and after such a definite statement of intent , it should follow that only same type of decisive actions to demonstrate the direction the club is proposing needs to be seen even it just to say who is leaving and who is staying now !!
-
Copps needs to look at players to build a solid spine in the likely eventually that Schofield gets sacked at the latest 6-8 games in to next season.
He can’t put all his eggs in to one basket.
If it’s more airy fairy types to fit this god awful system then it will be rinse and repeat.
-
Does anyone think that if we don't win another game this season schofield will be sacked at the end of it
-
What kind of players are going to look at Schofield’s record and think “yeah sign me up” ?
-
Don’t care how much money we have. Just want a team that is at the least equal to the sum of its parts and competes. Eventually with that we will be back in L1. At the moment we don’t get value for money so it’s a waste to throw more at it.
Didn’t see today but it sounded better, low bar, so given what we could put out it’s probably par for what’s available. Although we all know better could be achieved with some realism from the dugout.
-
Does anyone think that if we don't win another game this season schofield will be sacked at the end of it
He really needs to go before then. Some of these “funds” need to be used on an experienced proven manager who needs time to assess the current squad & identify what he needs BEFORE next season. The rest of these “funds” used to get the right players in ready for pre-season.
-
Does anyone think that if we don't win another game this season schofield will be sacked at the end of it
He really needs to go before then. Some of these “funds” need to be used on an experienced proven manager who needs time to assess the current squad & identify what he needs BEFORE next season. The rest of these “funds” used to get the right players in ready for pre-season.
Clear to see DS depressed the ability in the squad with his process. So it’s a good investment to get rid and replace with a competent replacement. Won’t find a much better cost to benefit action than improving every player in the squad by a fairly significant amount.
-
… please get someone in that has the nous to build a team and adapt to situations please, or those significant funds will be wasted
There were 10 first team players missing today. We had an 18, a 19 and a 22 year old at centre back. We had an 18 year old making his full debut up top. We had two wingers at full back. We are scraping the dregs of an already not very good squad. What do you expect a manager to do?
-
Maybe we can use them to try and hire Paul Simpson again? I wouldn’t trust a single one of this lot with “significant funds”
-
Maybe we can use them to try and hire Paul Simpson again? I wouldn’t trust a single one of this lot with “significant funds”
Paul Simpson, John Coleman, Fatty Evans. Surely David Blunt knows that these kind of managers are light years ahead of DS in terms of lower league potential.
-
… please get someone in that has the nous to build a team and adapt to situations please, or those significant funds will be wasted
There were 10 first team players missing today. We had an 18, a 19 and a 22 year old at centre back. We had an 18 year old making his full debut up top. We had two wingers at full back. We are scraping the dregs of an already not very good squad. What do you expect a manager to do?
Oh come on BST
So you’re defending him now. Sorry we have all been saying that Faulkner should be starting games.
Nelson is an England U19 international. D
Goodman has scored over 20 goals for the youth team this season.
All capable of playing League 2 football. There is no excuse left for DS.
-
You have to earn yourself a bit of credit sometimes. DS hasn’t. We were very poor with pretty much our 1st 11.
If the credit was in the bank people would give him a break given the injuries.
-
… please get someone in that has the nous to build a team and adapt to situations please, or those significant funds will be wasted
There were 10 first team players missing today. We had an 18, a 19 and a 22 year old at centre back. We had an 18 year old making his full debut up top. We had two wingers at full back. We are scraping the dregs of an already not very good squad. What do you expect a manager to do?
This begs the question..... do you think some are faking injuries? Do you think some have been taken out the firing line to start a fresh next season as a "new signing"?
-
It worries me that we can have games with no chances created and he says it was a positive performance.
I don’t care who is injured. A team with Molyneux, Westbrooke, Goodman, Close, Seaman and Rowe in should be able to create some chances.
-
… please get someone in that has the nous to build a team and adapt to situations please, or those significant funds will be wasted
There were 10 first team players missing today. We had an 18, a 19 and a 22 year old at centre back. We had an 18 year old making his full debut up top. We had two wingers at full back. We are scraping the dregs of an already not very good squad. What do you expect a manager to do?
Stop it BST. We've been shite for months, not just today.
-
… please get someone in that has the nous to build a team and adapt to situations please, or those significant funds will be wasted
There were 10 first team players missing today. We had an 18, a 19 and a 22 year old at centre back. We had an 18 year old making his full debut up top. We had two wingers at full back. We are scraping the dregs of an already not very good squad. What do you expect a manager to do?
Stop it BST. We've been shite for months, not just today.
I'm just questioning what anyone thinks any manager could have achieved with the squad available today.
As a defensive unit, that back five was probably the weakest, certainly the most inexperienced that we've fielded in 20 years.
Barlow was making his first start of the season.
Westbrook was making his first start in 8 months.
Goodman his first start ever.
What do people genuinely expect?
-
I understand what you are saying but the disconnect by 20 yards between midfield and the lone striker, will still be there if you have much better players. It was there with our top players in and is now there with these players in.
Spend the money provided and it will still be there.
We are not talking weeks this guy had been in.
It's a dreadful decision to keep him, I'd argue that no other club would.
That's why it's going to end in disaster
-
… please get someone in that has the nous to build a team and adapt to situations please, or those significant funds will be wasted
There were 10 first team players missing today. We had an 18, a 19 and a 22 year old at centre back. We had an 18 year old making his full debut up top. We had two wingers at full back. We are scraping the dregs of an already not very good squad. What do you expect a manager to do?
We were shit before the injuries struck, I know that was an inexperienced team today, but what I’d like to see in the circumstances is flexibility in the way he sets teams up, be adaptable, play to your available strengths, not just plough on regardless. He needs to go he isn’t getting anything anywhere near the best out of them
-
It’s true that if you look back over the last few seasons, how often have we had makeshift teams and squads.
Players drafted in, youngsters forced in ahead of their time, loan players going through the motions, no left back for most of last season, no striker for end of this season, Kwame and Rakish for the first half of the 2019/20 season and then Dodoo and Cukur for the 2021/22 season.
Some of it injury luck but more consistently just the inevitable outcome of rank bad recruitment of the very highest order.
-
The team was inexperienced, but they were, by and large, ‘squad’ players. It underlines how desperately weak the whole squad is/was.
This is a squad that the Chairman said would have us ‘bouncing back decisively’. Who’s going to swallow that kind of talk again?
-
If you don’t think it’s any different when the bloke who’s actually putting the cash in then you’re never going to be happy.
The poor bloke is just getting abuse for trying to give you a better football team.
When he doesn’t need to, after reading all the shite on here I wouldn’t be surprised if he changed his mind
-
If you don’t think it’s any different when the bloke who’s actually putting the cash in then you’re never going to be happy.
The poor bloke is just getting abuse for trying to give you a better football team.
When he doesn’t need to, after reading all the shite on here I wouldn’t be surprised if he changed his mind
It's not the guy putting the money in getting the stick.
It's the decisions what to do with the money that is the problem.
-
If you don’t think it’s any different when the bloke who’s actually putting the cash in then you’re never going to be happy.
The poor bloke is just getting abuse for trying to give you a better football team.
When he doesn’t need to, after reading all the shite on here I wouldn’t be surprised if he changed his mind
It's not the guy putting the money in getting the stick.
It's the decisions what to do with the money that is the problem.
I suppose it’s just as well it’s not up to any of us how it’s spent or we’d really be in the sh** . :chair:
-
… please get someone in that has the nous to build a team and adapt to situations please, or those significant funds will be wasted
There were 10 first team players missing today. We had an 18, a 19 and a 22 year old at centre back. We had an 18 year old making his full debut up top. We had two wingers at full back. We are scraping the dregs of an already not very good squad. What do you expect a manager to do?
Stop it BST. We've been shite for months, not just today.
I'm just questioning what anyone thinks any manager could have achieved with the squad available today.
As a defensive unit, that back five was probably the weakest, certainly the most inexperienced that we've fielded in 20 years.
Barlow was making his first start of the season.
Westbrook was making his first start in 8 months.
Goodman his first start ever.
What do people genuinely expect?
Hurst and Agard to start. Easy question really.
-
… please get someone in that has the nous to build a team and adapt to situations please, or those significant funds will be wasted
There were 10 first team players missing today. We had an 18, a 19 and a 22 year old at centre back. We had an 18 year old making his full debut up top. We had two wingers at full back. We are scraping the dregs of an already not very good squad. What do you expect a manager to do?
To be fair I thought Barlow actuallly showed a willingness to run at defenders with the ball
-
Barlow was M.O.T.M
-
… please get someone in that has the nous to build a team and adapt to situations please, or those significant funds will be wasted
There were 10 first team players missing today. We had an 18, a 19 and a 22 year old at centre back. We had an 18 year old making his full debut up top. We had two wingers at full back. We are scraping the dregs of an already not very good squad. What do you expect a manager to do?
Stop it BST. We've been shite for months, not just today.
I'm just questioning what anyone thinks any manager could have achieved with the squad available today.
As a defensive unit, that back five was probably the weakest, certainly the most inexperienced that we've fielded in 20 years.
Barlow was making his first start of the season.
Westbrook was making his first start in 8 months.
Goodman his first start ever.
What do people genuinely expect?
Hurst and Agard to start. Easy question really.
Have you been watching this past 12 months?
Agard can't last 20 minutes.
Hurst is a liability defensively.
-
You can see there is something there with Barlow. You can also see why at a younger age group where physicality not same distinguisher, he was playing for Man Utd and England age group.
You can also see how he probably won’t be with us next season. No physicality and even within this side of lightweights he is despite his obvious talent, not able to enforce himself.
-
If you don’t think it’s any different when the bloke who’s actually putting the cash in then you’re never going to be happy.
The poor bloke is just getting abuse for trying to give you a better football team.
When he doesn’t need to, after reading all the shite on here I wouldn’t be surprised if he changed his mind
It's not the guy putting the money in getting the stick.
It's the decisions what to do with the money that is the problem.
I was replying to someone who suggested this was no different to blunt saying we would bounce back decisively.
It’s a lot different
-
I think its got to a point where some of these apologists for the lacklustre coach need to actually look at the facts, regardless of who he puts out on the field the results are not changing, why? pure and simply his attitude to his "process"
When you have someone as blinkered as this as your coach then you just hope to god that he has the quality of player to make some sort of difference, but here's the rub.
Regardless of who he plays the whole team become some sort of bewildered rabbit in the headlights, they can't pass, run , receive a throw in, cross a ball and shoot with their weaker foot, why? because he's totally brainwashed the team into a system that they know will not work for them, we are turning half decent players for this level into some sort of park players who cannot be relied upon to perform even the bare basics, that's what his "process "has done to this team.
The worst thing though is that with him in situ whoever we manage to get into the club will become a paid up member of his remarkable talent of ruining players for life, 'im just mindful of the mental damage he's doing to our young talent with his forced and unyielding system.
TB has come out and tried to stem this endemic of biblical proportions that we now have in front of us, he needs to complete the task by relieving the people who are throwing his legacy away on the football side and unfortunately if that includes a club legend then so be it.
Owners, players ands mangers come and go but for the club the only constant is the supporters, after this sad episode has finally past we will still be here, listen to your audience because without them this all ends.
-
I think its got to a point where some of these apologists for the lacklustre coach need to actually look at the facts, regardless of who he puts out on the field the results are not changing, why? pure and simply his attitude to his "process"
When you have someone as blinkered as this as your coach then you just hope to god that he has the quality of player to make some sort of difference, but here's the rub.
Regardless of who he plays the whole team become some sort of bewildered rabbit in the headlights, they can't pass, run , receive a throw in, cross a ball and shoot with their weaker foot, why? because he's totally brainwashed the team into a system that they know will not work for them, we are turning half decent players for this level into some sort of park players who cannot be relied upon to perform even the bare basics, that's what his "process "has done to this team.
The worst thing though is that with him in situ whoever we manage to get into the club will become a paid up member of his remarkable talent of ruining players for life, 'im just mindful of the mental damage he's doing to our young talent with his forced and unyielding system.
TB has come out and tried to stem this endemic of biblical proportions that we now have in front of us, he needs to complete the task by relieving the people who are throwing his legacy away on the football side and unfortunately if that includes a club legend then so be it.
Owners, players ands mangers come and go but for the club the only constant is the supporters, after this sad episode has finally past we will still be here, listen to your audience because without them this all ends.
cracking post. Couldn’t have put it better myself. I love the word ‘apologists’. All those supporting DS can only find excuses for him and nothing positive to say as to why he’s the outstanding candidate to take us forward.
If we made a list of positive and negative points about DS, the list of negatives would fill a book, as the positives you could just put on the back of a postage stamp of there were actually any at all.
-
I think its got to a point where some of these apologists for the lacklustre coach need to actually look at the facts, regardless of who he puts out on the field the results are not changing, why? pure and simply his attitude to his "process"
When you have someone as blinkered as this as your coach then you just hope to god that he has the quality of player to make some sort of difference, but here's the rub.
Regardless of who he plays the whole team become some sort of bewildered rabbit in the headlights, they can't pass, run , receive a throw in, cross a ball and shoot with their weaker foot, why? because he's totally brainwashed the team into a system that they know will not work for them, we are turning half decent players for this level into some sort of park players who cannot be relied upon to perform even the bare basics, that's what his "process "has done to this team.
The worst thing though is that with him in situ whoever we manage to get into the club will become a paid up member of his remarkable talent of ruining players for life, 'im just mindful of the mental damage he's doing to our young talent with his forced and unyielding system.
TB has come out and tried to stem this endemic of biblical proportions that we now have in front of us, he needs to complete the task by relieving the people who are throwing his legacy away on the football side and unfortunately if that includes a club legend then so be it.
Owners, players ands mangers come and go but for the club the only constant is the supporters, after this sad episode has finally past we will still be here, listen to your audience because without them this all ends.
Superb post to sum up most peoples thoughts.
-
These two things can (and will have to) co-exist.
To date, whatever the mitigations, he has been a terrible manager for us in terms of performances and results. He can point to problems he has had to face with the squad and recruitment, but he’s been absolutely abject to date.
He will be our manager next season and will be given seemingly a decent budget to recruit over the summer.
-
I'm not sure how much extra we can spend with ffp. We have been told that the reason we haven't had a bigger budget.
-
I think its got to a point where some of these apologists for the lacklustre coach need to actually look at the facts, regardless of who he puts out on the field the results are not changing, why? pure and simply his attitude to his "process"
When you have someone as blinkered as this as your coach then you just hope to god that he has the quality of player to make some sort of difference, but here's the rub.
Regardless of who he plays the whole team become some sort of bewildered rabbit in the headlights, they can't pass, run , receive a throw in, cross a ball and shoot with their weaker foot, why? because he's totally brainwashed the team into a system that they know will not work for them, we are turning half decent players for this level into some sort of park players who cannot be relied upon to perform even the bare basics, that's what his "process "has done to this team.
The worst thing though is that with him in situ whoever we manage to get into the club will become a paid up member of his remarkable talent of ruining players for life, 'im just mindful of the mental damage he's doing to our young talent with his forced and unyielding system.
TB has come out and tried to stem this endemic of biblical proportions that we now have in front of us, he needs to complete the task by relieving the people who are throwing his legacy away on the football side and unfortunately if that includes a club legend then so be it.
Owners, players ands mangers come and go but for the club the only constant is the supporters, after this sad episode has finally past we will still be here, listen to your audience because without them this all ends.
Cracking summary - and of course no Magician tells you the secrets of his tricks - BUT wouldn't it be lovely to have someone within his temple of superior/godlike football just actually talk us through how the process delivers first of all - ENTERTAINMENT and then RESULTS??
-
… please get someone in that has the nous to build a team and adapt to situations please, or those significant funds will be wasted
There were 10 first team players missing today. We had an 18, a 19 and a 22 year old at centre back. We had an 18 year old making his full debut up top. We had two wingers at full back. We are scraping the dregs of an already not very good squad. What do you expect a manager to do?
It isn’t just the last match that has been the problem though is it bst.
We have been poor for weeks.
-
I'm talking about games over months not just yesterday
-
It doesn’t matter who the starting 11 is if the system of playing is flawed does it.
If we are outnumbered in the middle of the park and play 1 lone striker who gets no service then the outcome is the same whoever is playing.
To play the same way since late October and get the same outcome game after game now for almost 6 months has to be the definition of insanity..
I will say it again. Every other Club in the EFL would have sacked their Manager / Head Coach with this level of incompetence. With this level of discontent from its fan base. It’s not just results though is it.
The football has been so utterly dire to watch. Boring would actually be a compliment. It has been the worst I have ever seen apart from that one season in 97/98 when we had NPL footballers in the team.