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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Butchers Red on April 18, 2023, 08:34:57 pm
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So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0
Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.
Fouls
Home5Away3
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So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0
Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.
Fouls
Home5Away3
What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.
Really. What ARE you expecting?
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So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0
Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.
Fouls
Home5Away3
What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.
Really. What ARE you expecting?
Expecting ??
Merely hoping like hell the worst Football Manager I have ever witnessed get's kicked out pronto. Not a personal thing at all, and regarding his coaching abilities I have no view-but League Football is a RESULTS business plain and simple, he has to go NOW
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BST, this isn’t good enough. That was shocking.
He’s playing a system the players don’t know how to play and can’t play. You’re telling me that lot can’t play better than the first half they’ve just served up?
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This is almost sabotage by the owners now. Keeping him in a job is just ludicrous
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We got over the half way line twice.
Absolutely appalling.
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Like for like substitutions again…
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The Stevenage commentators noted after just 15 mins that “Donny playing out from back is suicidal at this level” on 30 mins “Dont they learn?”
Also - stats have it as 50:50 possession??? But all play is in our half! Their keeper could knit a sweater!!!
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The Stevenage commentators noted after just 15 mins that “Donny playing out from back is suicidal at this level” on 30 mins “Dont they learn?”
Also - stats have it as 50:50 possession??? But all play is in our half! Their keeper could knit a sweater!!!
And when we went long, Agard was rarely in the same postcode as the ball.
I'm as f**ked off as anyone watching this. But I'll ask again. What exactly do folk expect a manager to do with these players?
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We are literally playing like a poor pub team
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So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0
Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.
Fouls
Home5Away3
What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.
Really. What ARE you expecting?
Have you noticed the amount of times a Rovers player has had a lack of options and has thrown his arms out asking for support? Is it the individual players fault that they aren’t co-ordinating the the other outfield players around them spontaneously?
Their goal scorers career is crap on paper. If he was in our team struggling with the others you’d be saying he was sh*te as well.
Schofield had the opportunity to sign some physicality in January and he signed Lavery.
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4 dangerous attacks in 60 minutes….
Wow
Edit: compared to 60 by Stevenage!
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The Stevenage commentators noted after just 15 mins that “Donny playing out from back is suicidal at this level” on 30 mins “Dont they learn?”
Also - stats have it as 50:50 possession??? But all play is in our half! Their keeper could knit a sweater!!!
And when we went long, Agard was rarely in the same postcode as the ball.
I'm as f**ked off as anyone watching this. But I'll ask again. What exactly do folk expect a manager to do with these players?
I think we all agree the players aren’t good enough but what is he doing to help?
The system he wants to play is very technical and the players don’t/can’t play it. So why continue to stick with it? Not make proactive substitutions?
Try something else and play to the strengths of the players until the end of the season.
It’s piss poor management.
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One minute in the opposition half. One fecking minute! Get the clowns out of the club.
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So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0
Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.
Fouls
Home5Away3
What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.
Really. What ARE you expecting?
Honestly I think this bunch of players whilst they aren't performing clearly possessed some pedigree when we signed them - otherwise we wouldn't have signed them?
Take Molyneux, Knoyle, Miller, etc... they clearly achieved plenty at this level prior to joining us... so why didn't it happen for them here?
My true belief is rather then 'lets play football by my St Georges Park ideals' we should we utilising the players in a much more basic format akin to a Warnock or Evans i.e. not asking them to do something they cannot.
Does that mean swashbuckling football? No, but if it means a foundation to build that on, thats organised, can defend, can attack, and understands what role each player has, I think we have to accept that it's what we need.
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So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0
Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.
Fouls
Home5Away3
What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.
Really. What ARE you expecting?
Honestly I think this bunch of players whilst they aren't performing clearly possessed some pedigree when we signed them - otherwise we wouldn't have signed them?
Take Molyneux, Knoyle, Miller, etc... they clearly achieved plenty at this level prior to joining us... so why didn't it happen for them here?
My true belief is rather then 'lets play football by my St Georges Park ideals' we should we utilising the players in a much more basic format akin to a Warnock or Evans i.e. not asking them to do something they cannot.
Does that mean swashbuckling football? No, but if it means a foundation to build that on, thats organised, can defend, can attack, and understands what role each player has, I think we have to accept that it's what we need.
What we need is very simple and basic - a FOOTBALL MANAGER not some kind of weirdo dreamer who has the arrogance to think he has re-invented the wheel.
CHALLENGE - spell exactly what the the "process" is out for us DS ??
Utter Madness persisting with this fool.
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And again. What do you expect a manager to do. All you've done is tell us what you don't want him to do.
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So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0
Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.
Fouls
Home5Away3
What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.
Really. What ARE you expecting?
To create at least a chance bare minimum.
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We’ll it’s a pretty big thing to stop doing all the backwards thing. You know a smoker has to stop smoking before they find something else to do with their spare time. Baby step if you like.
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So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?
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So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?
1. Hire SOMEONE in the on field side of the club with experience. If they will not ditch DS, then bring someone experienced in to guide him
2. If its the Board stipulating the style of play (see GMc's sacking and the Job Advert) then retract that and allow DS the option of trying to finish this season with some sort of positive momentum
3. Listen to the fans about what they saying about the onfield matters. The club may not like what it hears, and might not agree with it, and following the repeated statements that present a 'we know best' air over the past couple of years lets try and heal the divide. Pretending they don't exist and ignoring them won't heal the toxicity in our club and fanbase. And just offering discounts does not resolve the underlying cause of the problems.
4. In future when appointing a manager, dof or assistant, please ensure ONE of these have the necessary experience of management to help guide decision making. Surrounding a novice with novices isn't a strategy for success.
I'm not here to throw bile around - but yes I am frustrated at seeing what I've had to endure for 2 solid years. But covering our eyes and pretending it will magically fix itself isn't the right answer either.
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Billy are you just playing devil’s advocate for the fun of it?
There are never any options for the player on the ball. That is the manager’s fault.
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It's not great to watch, is it? These final three games are going to be tedious.
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So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0
Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.
Fouls
Home5Away3
What, exactly, do you expect with a side that would undoubtedly struggle to survive in the Conference.
Really. What ARE you expecting?
Alot more than what he has produced with this team and the team he had before the injuries.
He cannot be backed simple as.
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Alright I’d go for a 442 keep the lines between midfield and defence nice and compact and have Agard with Goodman up top so we have an out ball if under pressure by just playing into the right areas, corners etc. from restarts I’d go long and wide if we can’t win the 1st, which we won’t, then squeeze the pitch for 2nd ball and play from there. Priority is the game should be played in the opposition half. With the players available it’s pointless for us to have possession on the edge of our own box where we’ll do more harm than good
I don’t think anyone needs to come up with grand solutions it’s just go back to basics give yourself a out ball and try to get the ball into the opponents half to play.
Would we win tonight? probably not but if we’d done this since the injuries came in the performances would feel less self destructive
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The Stevenage commentators noted after just 15 mins that “Donny playing out from back is suicidal at this level” on 30 mins “Dont they learn?”
Also - stats have it as 50:50 possession??? But all play is in our half! Their keeper could knit a sweater!!!
And when we went long, Agard was rarely in the same postcode as the ball.
I'm as f**ked off as anyone watching this. But I'll ask again. What exactly do folk expect a manager to do with these players?
half of the team in the first half are with us next season and according to copps will "form part of a strong squad".
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So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?
1. Hire SOMEONE in the on field side of the club with experience. If they will not ditch DS, then bring someone experienced in to guide him
2. If its the Board stipulating the style of play (see GMc's sacking and the Job Advert) then retract that and allow DS the option of trying to finish this season with some sort of positive momentum
3. Listen to the fans about what they saying about the onfield matters. The club may not like what it hears, and might not agree with it, and following the repeated statements that present a 'we know best' air over the past couple of years lets try and heal the divide. Pretending they don't exist and ignoring them won't heal the toxicity in our club and fanbase. And just offering discounts does not resolve the underlying cause of the problems.
4. In future when appointing a manager, dof or assistant, please ensure ONE of these have the necessary experience of management to help guide decision making. Surrounding a novice with novices isn't a strategy for success.
I'm not here to throw bile around - but yes I am frustrated at seeing what I've had to endure for 2 solid years. But covering our eyes and pretending it will magically fix itself isn't the right answer either.
I'm talking about that match. Tonight.
What is any manager supposed to do with the first team squad that was available tonight?
We have people saying "Stop being clever and go back to basics".
What does that mean?
Launch the ball from the back? We don't half a striker who can put in any sort of physical challenge so the ball just comes back.
Get stuck into them? We don't have a single player in that team tonight who could match the aggression of Stevenage.
So. I'll ask again. What EXACTLY do people think we should have done tonight, with the players available?
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Fly me over. I will take the job until the end of season unpaid.
I promise I will do a better job than the current head coach.
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If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft
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That first half was totally and utterly abysmal. In terms of tactics, approach, performance, everything. Rovers were lucky not to be 2 or 3 nil down at half time. The camera barely panned to the half way line never mind into Stevenage's half. It was like watching an attack v defence training session.
I agree with Billy that there may well be at least a division and a half in quality between the two teams.
But that is no excuse for how Rovers played first half. I'd be saying the same if Rovers first XI played that way against a higher division team in the Cup
Second half was better. Rovers looked to play more football, tried to compete in the middle of the park and looked to get forward when they could and cause a threat.
Yes it still wasn't great but that can, to a degree, be attributed to the standard of players available.
It would have been even better if we'd had more bodies in forward positions and supported looked to support the lone striker more effectively and quickly.
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Alright I’d go for a 442 keep the lines between midfield and defence nice and compact and have Agard with Goodman up top so we have an out ball if under pressure by just playing into the right areas, corners etc. from restarts I’d go long and wide if we can’t win the 1st, which we won’t, then squeeze the pitch for 2nd ball and play from there. Priority is the game should be played in the opposition half. With the players available it’s pointless for us to have possession on the edge of our own box where we’ll do more harm than good
I don’t think anyone needs to come up with grand solutions it’s just go back to basics give yourself a out ball and try to get the ball into the opponents half to play.
Would we win tonight? probably not but if we’d done this since the injuries came in the performances would feel less self destructive
You'd go long and wide? So you'd effectively give up possession every time you had it, because there wasn't a single player on our side capable of winning physical battles with the Stevenage defence.
Now I'm going to be REALLY controversial.
The ONLY way that XI tonight could possibly have taken something from that game was how we tried for some of the second half.
Stevenage play a manically aggressive high press. They want you to shite it and hit it long, because they have a strong, physical defence.
We fell into exactly that trap in the first half because with three kids at the back, there was no composure.
It was significantly better in the second half because, for all his shortcomings, Williams is our best centre back on the ball, possibly baring Olowu.
Williams was central to us having a bit of belief and composure to beat that aggressive high push. It gained us a bit of space to start attacks.
Did it hurt them? No, because we had nothing up front anyway.
Was it perfect? Of course not. Williams played a couple of very poor balls out of defence.
Could we have done any better at all with the players available? I'm still waiting to hear ideas.
You want my take? That second half STYLE (not performance, obviously) with the full squad available, would have hurt Stevenage. They have one idea. Get in your face and deny you time. IF you're composed enough to pass around that, AND you have some quality up front, you can take that apart. That is what I genuinely think Schofield is trying to produce. Will he succeed? I don't know. But to berate him for tonight's performance is just indulgence.
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If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft
dickos, 5 of the first half players will still be here next season. only 2 of them id have in any rovers side. its not the loss, its the abject performance overall that is the most galling. i dont think ive seen a bunch either not willing or not able to play for each other in a long long time.
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I’m not sticking up for DS, but who thought we’d get anything tonight?
The squad is decimated & there’s probably 3/4 first teamers playing tonight.
It’s garbage, it’s truly utter garbage, but what can he do with that squad he has right now.
Again I’m not supporting DS.
Pep Guadiola/ Alex Ferguson /Neil Warnock couldn’t do anything with this lot.
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Alright I’d go for a 442 keep the lines between midfield and defence nice and compact and have Agard with Goodman up top so we have an out ball if under pressure by just playing into the right areas, corners etc. from restarts I’d go long and wide if we can’t win the 1st, which we won’t, then squeeze the pitch for 2nd ball and play from there. Priority is the game should be played in the opposition half. With the players available it’s pointless for us to have possession on the edge of our own box where we’ll do more harm than good
I don’t think anyone needs to come up with grand solutions it’s just go back to basics give yourself a out ball and try to get the ball into the opponents half to play.
Would we win tonight? probably not but if we’d done this since the injuries came in the performances would feel less self destructive
You'd go long and wide? So you'd effectively give up possession every time you had it, because there wasn't a single player on our side capable of winning physical battles with the Stevenage defence.
Now I'm going to be REALLY controversial.
The ONLY way that XI tonight could possibly have taken something from that game was how we tried for some of the second half.
Stevenage play a manically aggressive high press. They want you to shite it and hit it long, because they have a strong, physical defence.
We fell into exactly that trap in the first half because with three kids at the back, there was no composure.
It was significantly better in the second half because, for all his shortcomings, Williams is our best centre back on the ball, possibly baring Olowu.
Williams was central to us having a bit of belief and composure to beat that aggressive high push. It gained us a bit of space to start attacks.
Did it hurt them? No, because we had nothing up front anyway.
Was it perfect? Of course not. Williams played a couple of very poor balls out of defence.
Could we have done any better at all with the players available? I'm still waiting to hear ideas.
I don’t think Williams is anywhere near as good as Nelson on the ball, but what made the difference was he did everything 20 times quicker, he showed a bit of urgency, Nelson dawdles on the ball and causes problems, Williams controlled it and passed it which enabled us to find some space .
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So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?
1. Hire SOMEONE in the on field side of the club with experience. If they will not ditch DS, then bring someone experienced in to guide him
2. If its the Board stipulating the style of play (see GMc's sacking and the Job Advert) then retract that and allow DS the option of trying to finish this season with some sort of positive momentum
3. Listen to the fans about what they saying about the onfield matters. The club may not like what it hears, and might not agree with it, and following the repeated statements that present a 'we know best' air over the past couple of years lets try and heal the divide. Pretending they don't exist and ignoring them won't heal the toxicity in our club and fanbase. And just offering discounts does not resolve the underlying cause of the problems.
4. In future when appointing a manager, dof or assistant, please ensure ONE of these have the necessary experience of management to help guide decision making. Surrounding a novice with novices isn't a strategy for success.
I'm not here to throw bile around - but yes I am frustrated at seeing what I've had to endure for 2 solid years. But covering our eyes and pretending it will magically fix itself isn't the right answer either.
I'm talking about that match. Tonight.
What is any manager supposed to do with the first team squad that was available tonight?
We have people saying "Stop being clever and go back to basics".
What does that mean?
Launch the ball from the back? We don't half a striker who can put in any sort of physical challenge so the ball just comes back.
Get stuck into them? We don't have a single player in that team tonight who could match the aggression of Stevenage.
So. I'll ask again. What EXACTLY do people think we should have done tonight, with the players available?
Here's a few.
Firstly not do the same thing that hasn't worked for months.
Stick an extra man up top, they may not win it but they may nick a second ball, there's double to aim at and it's tougher for the opposition defence.
Or, stick an extra body in midfield to try and keep the ball a lot better.
Christ even just tell them to press like mad, anything to change something.
But absolutely do not keep doing what we have been doing.
I do accept we've a lot of players out, funny how that though happens when teams are out of form and things aren't going well.
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Alright I’d go for a 442 keep the lines between midfield and defence nice and compact and have Agard with Goodman up top so we have an out ball if under pressure by just playing into the right areas, corners etc. from restarts I’d go long and wide if we can’t win the 1st, which we won’t, then squeeze the pitch for 2nd ball and play from there. Priority is the game should be played in the opposition half. With the players available it’s pointless for us to have possession on the edge of our own box where we’ll do more harm than good
I don’t think anyone needs to come up with grand solutions it’s just go back to basics give yourself a out ball and try to get the ball into the opponents half to play.
Would we win tonight? probably not but if we’d done this since the injuries came in the performances would feel less self destructive
You'd go long and wide? So you'd effectively give up possession every time you had it, because there wasn't a single player on our side capable of winning physical battles with the Stevenage defence.
Now I'm going to be REALLY controversial.
The ONLY way that XI tonight could possibly have taken something from that game was how we tried for some of the second half.
Stevenage play a manically aggressive high press. They want you to shite it and hit it long, because they have a strong, physical defence.
We fell into exactly that trap in the first half because with three kids at the back, there was no composure.
It was significantly better in the second half because, for all his shortcomings, Williams is our best centre back on the ball, possibly baring Olowu.
Williams was central to us having a bit of belief and composure to beat that aggressive high push. It gained us a bit of space to start attacks.
Did it hurt them? No, because we had nothing up front anyway.
Was it perfect? Of course not. Williams played a couple of very poor balls out of defence.
Could we have done any better at all with the players available? I'm still waiting to hear ideas.
I don’t think Williams is anywhere near as good as Nelson on the ball, but what made the difference was he did everything 20 times quicker, he showed a bit of urgency, Nelson dawdles on the ball and causes problems, Williams controlled it and passed it which enabled us to find some space .
That's what Williams does. That's why he's our best centre back on the ball.
Nelson LOOKS like he has time, but he shites it as much as anyone (OK, not as much as Long) against an aggressive, high press.
Schofield's football depends on us having confidence to defeat a high press through sharp, accurate passes. Williams showed tonight that it could work.
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Having a second striker would help play quicker. When you look forwards at the moment there’s not enough to hit so naturally it can get slowed down
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If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft
dickos, 5 of the first half players will still be here next season. only 2 of them id have in any rovers side. its not the loss, its the abject performance overall that is the most galling. i dont think ive seen a bunch either not willing or not able to play for each other in a long long time.
Exactly, we’ve played probably the hardest fixture we possibly could with a line up that’s nowhere near ready for this level.
We were shite, proper shite in the first half but I thought in the second half we did everything you can do when you’re not good enough, showed a bit of heart
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Christ, the number of people shouting "Stick two up top!"
We haven't got ONE striker who would cut it at Conference level! Why do people think having two on the pitch would make us better?
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‘Tonight showed that could work’
HOW?
Why has not Williams been playing the last two months then? Another Schofield masterclass?
If it works why are bottom in the form table?
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Having a second striker would help play quicker. When you look forwards at the moment there’s not enough to hit so naturally it can get slowed down
Neither striker won a single ball in a physical challenge with defenders for a long ball tonight.
Not one.
IF we had both of them on and went long, what on earth makes you think they'd win a challenge then?
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Schofields initial reaction, he was proud of that second half, oh my god!!!
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Let him try it somewhere else, then!
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Christ, the number of people shouting "Stick two up top!"
We haven't got ONE striker who would cut it at Conference level! Why do people think having two on the pitch would make us better?
I answered that point, bodies close to each other. You don't need top talent to make that work if they can just put theirselves about a bit. Absolutely not the long term answer but in a crisis just do something different with what you do have.
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So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?
1. Hire SOMEONE in the on field side of the club with experience. If they will not ditch DS, then bring someone experienced in to guide him
2. If its the Board stipulating the style of play (see GMc's sacking and the Job Advert) then retract that and allow DS the option of trying to finish this season with some sort of positive momentum
3. Listen to the fans about what they saying about the onfield matters. The club may not like what it hears, and might not agree with it, and following the repeated statements that present a 'we know best' air over the past couple of years lets try and heal the divide. Pretending they don't exist and ignoring them won't heal the toxicity in our club and fanbase. And just offering discounts does not resolve the underlying cause of the problems.
4. In future when appointing a manager, dof or assistant, please ensure ONE of these have the necessary experience of management to help guide decision making. Surrounding a novice with novices isn't a strategy for success.
I'm not here to throw bile around - but yes I am frustrated at seeing what I've had to endure for 2 solid years. But covering our eyes and pretending it will magically fix itself isn't the right answer either.
I'm talking about that match. Tonight.
What is any manager supposed to do with the first team squad that was available tonight?
We have people saying "Stop being clever and go back to basics".
What does that mean?
Launch the ball from the back? We don't half a striker who can put in any sort of physical challenge so the ball just comes back.
Get stuck into them? We don't have a single player in that team tonight who could match the aggression of Stevenage.
So. I'll ask again. What EXACTLY do people think we should have done tonight, with the players available?
We could have played with two up front and played balls into channels thus turning their full backs and pulling the CB's out of their comfort zone. Whilst doing this push the midfield further forward to keep pressure on the back line. So no, not launch aimless balls down the throats of the 2 CB's and no not try and meet them with aggression but with better thinking.
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Schofields initial reaction, he was proud of that second half, oh my god!!!
It depends in what respect though,
I think the number of young inexperienced players we had, that second half was one that could make you proud in terms of effort and showing some
Balls.
He obviously didn’t mean he was proud of the football we produced or the chances we created
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Christ, the number of people shouting "Stick two up top!"
We haven't got ONE striker who would cut it at Conference level! Why do people think having two on the pitch would make us better?
I answered that point, bodies close to each other. You don't need top talent to make that work if they can just put theirselves about a bit. Absolutely not the long term answer but in a crisis just do something different with what you do have.
Did you watch the game tonight? "Put themselves about a bit"? Sheesh. One spent old man and one willing, naive kid. Never came close to posing any sort of physical challenge.
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Strikers don't score goals and are largely passengers in Schofield's teams, injuries or not. Playing two up front would be like playing with 9 men rather than the usual 10.
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Christ, the number of people shouting "Stick two up top!"
We haven't got ONE striker who would cut it at Conference level! Why do people think having two on the pitch would make us better?
No true. But a MAJOR flaw with the system used is how isolated the lone centre forward is and how slow the, so called, attacking midfielders/wingers are to get forward to support him when Rovers have possession.
The gap between the forward and the midfield is far too big. And this is a theme every game. Even before the injuries kicked in. It is absolutely key to why Rovers fail to keep the ball upfield, have enough meaningful attacks, create enough chance, score enough goals or get the supporters on the edge of their seats.
What chance did young Goodman have today in the 2nd half against senior pros at centre half - even when Rovers were looking to play some football around Stevenage and get forward??
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So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?
1. Hire SOMEONE in the on field side of the club with experience. If they will not ditch DS, then bring someone experienced in to guide him
2. If its the Board stipulating the style of play (see GMc's sacking and the Job Advert) then retract that and allow DS the option of trying to finish this season with some sort of positive momentum
3. Listen to the fans about what they saying about the onfield matters. The club may not like what it hears, and might not agree with it, and following the repeated statements that present a 'we know best' air over the past couple of years lets try and heal the divide. Pretending they don't exist and ignoring them won't heal the toxicity in our club and fanbase. And just offering discounts does not resolve the underlying cause of the problems.
4. In future when appointing a manager, dof or assistant, please ensure ONE of these have the necessary experience of management to help guide decision making. Surrounding a novice with novices isn't a strategy for success.
I'm not here to throw bile around - but yes I am frustrated at seeing what I've had to endure for 2 solid years. But covering our eyes and pretending it will magically fix itself isn't the right answer either.
I'm talking about that match. Tonight.
What is any manager supposed to do with the first team squad that was available tonight?
We have people saying "Stop being clever and go back to basics".
What does that mean?
Launch the ball from the back? We don't half a striker who can put in any sort of physical challenge so the ball just comes back.
Get stuck into them? We don't have a single player in that team tonight who could match the aggression of Stevenage.
So. I'll ask again. What EXACTLY do people think we should have done tonight, with the players available?
We could have played with two up front and played balls into channels thus turning their full backs and pulling the CB's out of their comfort zone. Whilst doing this push the midfield further forward to keep pressure on the back line. So no, not launch aimless balls down the throats of the 2 CB's and no not try and meet them with aggression but with better thinking.
Right.
So you're saying you want Agard to continuously make penetrating runs into the channels. And our defence and midfield (THOSE defence and midfield that played tonight) to pick him out while under constant pressure from a high, aggressive press?
Maybe a tad optimistic wouldn't you say?
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https://youtu.be/NN2rngoO1p8
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Having a second striker would help play quicker. When you look forwards at the moment there’s not enough to hit so naturally it can get slowed down
Neither striker won a single ball in a physical challenge with defenders for a long ball tonight.
Not one.
IF we had both of them on and went long, what on earth makes you think they'd win a challenge then?
You don’t just have to smack it up to them for headers though do you. Having 2 players higher makes space for others and themselves. That’s what it’s about. Forward passes would be easier and that doesn’t just mean long ones. I don’t think not having good forwards means we should only play one. If anything that will just make the lack of quality more telling.
Listen your obviously a lot smarter than everyone else and have clearly played at a good level I’m not going to try convincing you. But to say there is no alternative to what we’re seeing is wrong
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If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft
dickos, 5 of the first half players will still be here next season. only 2 of them id have in any rovers side. its not the loss, its the abject performance overall that is the most galling. i dont think ive seen a bunch either not willing or not able to play for each other in a long long time.
Exactly, we’ve played probably the hardest fixture we possibly could with a line up that’s nowhere near ready for this level.
We were shite, proper shite in the first half but I thought in the second half we did everything you can do when you’re not good enough, showed a bit of heart
6 of that side get in our strongest 11
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Dickos is the new interpreter for DS. Obviously!
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Schofields initial reaction, he was proud of that second half, oh my god!!!
I think he means that at half time he asked them to have confidence in themselves to beat the high press.
It took some spirit from the players to do that after that car crash first half. Tiny, baby steps, and a poor choice of words, but I do get what he is meaning here?
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So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?
1. Hire SOMEONE in the on field side of the club with experience. If they will not ditch DS, then bring someone experienced in to guide him
2. If its the Board stipulating the style of play (see GMc's sacking and the Job Advert) then retract that and allow DS the option of trying to finish this season with some sort of positive momentum
3. Listen to the fans about what they saying about the onfield matters. The club may not like what it hears, and might not agree with it, and following the repeated statements that present a 'we know best' air over the past couple of years lets try and heal the divide. Pretending they don't exist and ignoring them won't heal the toxicity in our club and fanbase. And just offering discounts does not resolve the underlying cause of the problems.
4. In future when appointing a manager, dof or assistant, please ensure ONE of these have the necessary experience of management to help guide decision making. Surrounding a novice with novices isn't a strategy for success.
I'm not here to throw bile around - but yes I am frustrated at seeing what I've had to endure for 2 solid years. But covering our eyes and pretending it will magically fix itself isn't the right answer either.
I'm talking about that match. Tonight.
What is any manager supposed to do with the first team squad that was available tonight?
We have people saying "Stop being clever and go back to basics".
What does that mean?
Launch the ball from the back? We don't half a striker who can put in any sort of physical challenge so the ball just comes back.
Get stuck into them? We don't have a single player in that team tonight who could match the aggression of Stevenage.
So. I'll ask again. What EXACTLY do people think we should have done tonight, with the players available?
We could have played with two up front and played balls into channels thus turning their full backs and pulling the CB's out of their comfort zone. Whilst doing this push the midfield further forward to keep pressure on the back line. So no, not launch aimless balls down the throats of the 2 CB's and no not try and meet them with aggression but with better thinking.
Right.
So you're saying you want Agard to continuously make penetrating runs into the channels. And our defence and midfield (THOSE defence and midfield that played tonight) to pick him out while under constant pressure from a high, aggressive press?
Maybe a tad optimistic wouldn't you say?
That’s why you play 2 up. Agard goes short and Goodman would go into the channel.
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schofield has indeed engaged "full throttle"
to the bottom of the lge 2 form table .
not over the last 3 or 5 or 7 games but over the last 10. nearly a quarter of the season.
scoring the joint lowest amount of goals in those 10 games and conceding the most in lge 2.
how much worse will this get?
when will it end ?
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Jesus, BST, you’ll be voting for him to stay next! ;)
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schofield has indeed engaged "full throttle"
to the bottom of the lge 2 form table .
not over the last 3 or 5 or 7 games but over the last 10. nearly a quarter of the season.
scoring the joint lowest amount of goals in those 10 games and conceding the most in lge 2.
how much worse will this get?
when will it end ?
6 points in the last 13 games.
Equivalent to 21 points over a whole season.
The 97/98 squad of part-timers and youth teamers featuring next door neighbours and schoolboys managed 20 points in a season at this level.
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Schofields initial reaction, he was proud of that second half, oh my god!!!
It depends in what respect though,
I think the number of young inexperienced players we had, that second half was one that could make you proud in terms of effort and showing some
Balls.
He obviously didn’t mean he was proud of the football we produced or the chances we created
He defiantly couldn't say he ws proud of the the football produced.
He's the one whom has instilled this awful process of playing it around at the back until either the defender makes a mess or worse he passes back to Mitchell to do so.
How can people come on here and start to talk about how this system could work,? we don't have the strength commitment or numbers in midfield to receive a pass from a beleaguered defence, there is no outlet and the wing backs are not good enough to get forward or even create an overlap we are so poor.
The fact the club is looking to persevere with this management, with its defective system but hope to improve with better players is for the birds, we will just limp on till the end of the year where we have to get rid because there will be no one in the ground bar the away support.
The Stevenage commentator said it all " I’ve said it to death, it just does not work at this level”
With the players that we can afford at this level, against big strong and physical sides like Stevenage hen there will always only be one winner, and it wont be us.
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It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.
In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.
Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.
And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.
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If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft
dickos, 5 of the first half players will still be here next season. only 2 of them id have in any rovers side. its not the loss, its the abject performance overall that is the most galling. i dont think ive seen a bunch either not willing or not able to play for each other in a long long time.
Exactly, we’ve played probably the hardest fixture we possibly could with a line up that’s nowhere near ready for this level.
We were shite, proper shite in the first half but I thought in the second half we did everything you can do when you’re not good enough, showed a bit of heart
6 of that side get in our strongest 11
Are you mad?
Anderson, Maxwell, biggins, Rowe, olowu, miller, Lakin. All walk straight into that team
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Hurst was the bright spark in our season but slowly he’s gone right off. Hopefully it’s more a case of playing every game in his 1st pro season than DS ruining him
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"He's the one whom has instilled this awful process of playing it around at the back until either the defender makes a mess or worse he passes back to Mitchell to do so."
That absolutely wasn't what the players did in the second half.
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Hurst was the bright spark in our season but slowly he’s gone right off. Hopefully it’s more a case of playing every game in his 1st pro season than DS ruining him
He’s not strong enough to compete, needs to get on the weights close season
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It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.
In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.
Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.
And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.
Barlow has had 3 very good games, mainly because he’s being played in his correct position and given freedom to express himself.
He had a bad game today, to suggest that’s because of schofield is ridiculous.
Hurst has been poor for a month or so but prior to that he’s been playing far better than he did under mcsheffrey.
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Hurst was the bright spark in our season but slowly he’s gone right off. Hopefully it’s more a case of playing every game in his 1st pro season than DS ruining him
What I fear may be the problem with Hurst is that he might be an icing on the cake player.
Great when the side is clicking and there's movement and accurate passes.
Hopeless when you have to find some grit and fight.
He was awful tonight.
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Hurst was the bright spark in our season but slowly he’s gone right off. Hopefully it’s more a case of playing every game in his 1st pro season than DS ruining him
I watched Hurst for a while tonight, the poor lad does not know what he's supposed to be doing, you could see it in his play and reactions, he was mostly in a no mans land, not in midfield to receive a pass from defence or up front to attack a through ball, kids like this need simple and straightforward instructions to get the best out of them, the management are completely messing this young prospect up big time.
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BST if DS had played 4-3-1-2 we would have had a chance against that lot tonight
Stevenage were very poor. They are a one trick pony.
We have a coach who is so tactically inept it’s frightening.
He will not change from his preferred formation
He had a fixation with it and it has now making him look a complete idiot.
I don’t want to get personal but this is now beyond a joke.
BST stop saying it’s the players who are rubbish
It’s not them
They are being asked to play a system that doesn’t create anything
We are over run in midfield and a lone striker May as well sit in the stands.
It is pitiful.2 shots again.
If they don’t sack him I am seriously thinking of retuning my season ticket
Enough is enough.
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Hurst was the bright spark in our season but slowly he’s gone right off. Hopefully it’s more a case of playing every game in his 1st pro season than DS ruining him
I watched Hurst for a while tonight, the poor lad does not know what he's supposed to be doing, you could see it in his play and reactions, he was mostly in a no mans land, not in midfield to receive a pass from defence or up front to attack a through ball, kids like this need simple and straightforward instructions to get the best out of them, the management are completely messing this young prospect up big time.
He’s been very good for the majority of schofields tenure, games like tonight are never going to suit him.
I would’ve played Bobby in the middle of the park today alongside Liam and ben just to give them back some of the physicality they dish out.
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So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?
1. Hire SOMEONE in the on field side of the club with experience. If they will not ditch DS, then bring someone experienced in to guide him
2. If its the Board stipulating the style of play (see GMc's sacking and the Job Advert) then retract that and allow DS the option of trying to finish this season with some sort of positive momentum
3. Listen to the fans about what they saying about the onfield matters. The club may not like what it hears, and might not agree with it, and following the repeated statements that present a 'we know best' air over the past couple of years lets try and heal the divide. Pretending they don't exist and ignoring them won't heal the toxicity in our club and fanbase. And just offering discounts does not resolve the underlying cause of the problems.
4. In future when appointing a manager, dof or assistant, please ensure ONE of these have the necessary experience of management to help guide decision making. Surrounding a novice with novices isn't a strategy for success.
I'm not here to throw bile around - but yes I am frustrated at seeing what I've had to endure for 2 solid years. But covering our eyes and pretending it will magically fix itself isn't the right answer either.
I'm talking about that match. Tonight.
What is any manager supposed to do with the first team squad that was available tonight?
We have people saying "Stop being clever and go back to basics".
What does that mean?
Launch the ball from the back? We don't half a striker who can put in any sort of physical challenge so the ball just comes back.
Get stuck into them? We don't have a single player in that team tonight who could match the aggression of Stevenage.
So. I'll ask again. What EXACTLY do people think we should have done tonight, with the players available?
We could have played with two up front and played balls into channels thus turning their full backs and pulling the CB's out of their comfort zone. Whilst doing this push the midfield further forward to keep pressure on the back line. So no, not launch aimless balls down the throats of the 2 CB's and no not try and meet them with aggression but with better thinking.
Right.
So you're saying you want Agard to continuously make penetrating runs into the channels. And our defence and midfield (THOSE defence and midfield that played tonight) to pick him out while under constant pressure from a high, aggressive press?
Maybe a tad optimistic wouldn't you say?
No I wouldn't actually.
We were safe from relegation before tonights game. We had an opportunity to gamble tonight yet he still didn't take the opportunity.
You maybe right that we could have been exposed to their high press however we had nothing to lose & doing what I said would have had them turning towards their own goal meaning that the high press wouldn't have been as easy.
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"He's the one whom has instilled this awful process of playing it around at the back until either the defender makes a mess or worse he passes back to Mitchell to do so."
That absolutely wasn't what the players did in the second half.
Im not sure what you watched, but i saw a defence struggling to beat a press, made even worse with a lightweight and none responsive midfield unable to create any space or movement so they could receive the ball with two totally infective wing-backs who did not perform anything that you could say was required of a wing back.
Absolutely no forward penetration in that side with the ball coming straight back every time, its no wonder we concede so many goals, the defence have the ball for approx 85% of the time when its in possession before they loose it.
Tactics that will see us relegated to none league regardless of who he has available because our best eleven would return a very similar performance under this process.
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BST if DS had played 4-3-1-2 we would have had a chance against that lot tonight
Stevenage were very poor. They are a one trick pony.
We have a coach who is so tactically inept it’s frightening.
He will not change from his preferred formation
He had a fixation with it and it has now making him look a complete idiot.
I don’t want to get personal but this is now beyond a joke.
BST stop saying it’s the players who are rubbish
It’s not them
They are being asked to play a system that doesn’t create anything
We are over run in midfield and a lone striker May as well sit in the stands.
It is pitiful.2 shots again.
If they don’t sack him I am seriously thinking of retuning my season ticket
Enough is enough.
They are a one trick pony but they’re not very poor are they. Look at the table.
Not sure billy is blaming the players, he’s saying to take 6 of your first team out and go to the toughest place in the division, then you know before you go it’s going to be tough.
You knew that yourself
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Campsall, I strongly believe it’s a bit of both. Even with our injured players in, we could still have lost that, especially since Tomlin retired!
You’re right about the Coach, of course, but you have to acknowledge that the team tonight, and for quite a few games lately, is devoid of any real quality.
I’ve been commenting on this forum about that very thing, for what seems like an age and I’ve been heavily criticised for that view. We just havn’t addressed the quality issue for some time.
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If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft
dickos, 5 of the first half players will still be here next season. only 2 of them id have in any rovers side. its not the loss, its the abject performance overall that is the most galling. i dont think ive seen a bunch either not willing or not able to play for each other in a long long time.
Exactly, we’ve played probably the hardest fixture we possibly could with a line up that’s nowhere near ready for this level.
We were shite, proper shite in the first half but I thought in the second half we did everything you can do when you’re not good enough, showed a bit of heart
6 of that side get in our strongest 11
Are you mad?
Anderson, Maxwell, biggins, Rowe, olowu, miller, Lakin. All walk straight into that team
Where?
Anderson for Long (yep)
Maxwell for Mollyneux (yep)
Lakin for Ravenhill (yep)
Miller for Agard (yep but does nothing under Danny's style)
Rowe? Wasted at Centre Half again? Left forward (Danny doesn't play him there)
Biggins? Who for? Where? He doesn't get into a midfield 2 with Close and Lakin and isn't a winger.
Olowu? Who for? Nelson is preferred and Faulkner has had a much better season than him.
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I think Biggins is our best CM.
Not technically the best but he gives so much energy and leadership which makes him a better fit.
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It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.
In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.
Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.
And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.
Barlow has had 3 very good games, mainly because he’s being played in his correct position and given freedom to express himself.
He had a bad game today, to suggest that’s because of schofield is ridiculous.
Hurst has been poor for a month or so but prior to that he’s been playing far better than he did under mcsheffrey.
I cannot identify your reason for dismissing what I am suggesting. Ridicule seems a bit desperate.
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I think Biggins is our best CM.
Not technically the best but he gives so much energy and leadership which makes him a better fit.
Again Close is without a doubt the best footballer in the midfield (probably the club) but he's not the best for this team and league in a two. So I'd agree with you on the effectiveness of Biggins (but he has a tendency to go missing too alongside Close in a 2) would like to see him, close and Lakin or Rowe in a midfield 3
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It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.
In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.
Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.
And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.
Barlow has had 3 very good games, mainly because he’s being played in his correct position and given freedom to express himself.
He had a bad game today, to suggest that’s because of schofield is ridiculous.
Hurst has been poor for a month or so but prior to that he’s been playing far better than he did under mcsheffrey.
I cannot identify your reason for dismissing what I am suggesting. Ridicule seems a bit desperate.
Ridicule, where?
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If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft
dickos, 5 of the first half players will still be here next season. only 2 of them id have in any rovers side. its not the loss, its the abject performance overall that is the most galling. i dont think ive seen a bunch either not willing or not able to play for each other in a long long time.
Exactly, we’ve played probably the hardest fixture we possibly could with a line up that’s nowhere near ready for this level.
We were shite, proper shite in the first half but I thought in the second half we did everything you can do when you’re not good enough, showed a bit of heart
6 of that side get in our strongest 11
Are you mad?
Anderson, Maxwell, biggins, Rowe, olowu, miller, Lakin. All walk straight into that team
Where?
Anderson for Long (yep)
Maxwell for Mollyneux (yep)
Lakin for Ravenhill (yep)
Miller for Agard (yep but does nothing under Danny's style)
Rowe? Wasted at Centre Half again? Left forward (Danny doesn't play him there)
Biggins? Who for? Where? He doesn't get into a midfield 2 with Close and Lakin and isn't a winger.
Olowu? Who for? Nelson is preferred and Faulkner has had a much better season than him.
So you disagree?
You think 6 of tonight’s starting 11 would get in our starting 11 if everyone was fit.
I can’t get my head around anyone thinking that
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If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft
dickos, 5 of the first half players will still be here next season. only 2 of them id have in any rovers side. its not the loss, its the abject performance overall that is the most galling. i dont think ive seen a bunch either not willing or not able to play for each other in a long long time.
Exactly, we’ve played probably the hardest fixture we possibly could with a line up that’s nowhere near ready for this level.
We were shite, proper shite in the first half but I thought in the second half we did everything you can do when you’re not good enough, showed a bit of heart
6 of that side get in our strongest 11
Are you mad?
Anderson, Maxwell, biggins, Rowe, olowu, miller, Lakin. All walk straight into that team
Where?
Anderson for Long (yep)
Maxwell for Mollyneux (yep)
Lakin for Ravenhill (yep)
Miller for Agard (yep but does nothing under Danny's style)
Rowe? Wasted at Centre Half again? Left forward (Danny doesn't play him there)
Biggins? Who for? Where? He doesn't get into a midfield 2 with Close and Lakin and isn't a winger.
Olowu? Who for? Nelson is preferred and Faulkner has had a much better season than him.
So you disagree?
You think 6 of tonight’s starting 11 would get in our starting 11 if everyone was fit.
I can’t get my head around anyone thinking that
So your back 3 would be Olowu, Rowe, Anderson?
Midfield 2 of Lakin and Biggins?
And Miller up top?
So you'd drop Nelson, Faulkner & Close?
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I just think we've been absolutely crying out to go to a 3 in central midfield to compensate for the lack of bite, pace and physicality we have in there, and make the most of the technical strength we do have there.
In the previous few games, even in a 2, the added physicality and tenacity of Rowe in there made a difference. It needed to be done months ago in my opinion. Of course now Rowe is injured, along with Biggins and Lakin, so the opportunity is likely gone for the season.
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And Dickos I'm not saying we aren't suffering from injuries. I do (controversially) THINK that players have downed tools and won't play with minor niggles. Also the players have been mis managed, mis used.
Danny Schofield is the worst first team manager we have ever had (taking the Richardson era out of this)
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I just think we've been absolutely crying out to go to a 3 in central midfield to compensate for the lack of bite, pace and physicality we have in there, and make the most of the technical strength we do have there.
In the previous few games, even in a 2, the added physicality and tenacity of Rowe in there made a difference. It needed to be done months ago in my opinion. Of course now Rowe is injured, along with Biggins and Lakin, so the opportunity is likely gone for the season.
Many of us fellow supporters agree. But we are all idiots apparently.
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I’d be playing 3-5-1-1
Anderson, olowu and either Nelson or Faulkner
Brown rwb, Maxwell lwb
Close, biggins, Lakin in midfield
Rowe/molyneux or hurst playing off miller
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It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.
In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.
Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.
And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.
Barlow has had 3 very good games, mainly because he’s being played in his correct position and given freedom to express himself.
He had a bad game today, to suggest that’s because of schofield is ridiculous.
Hurst has been poor for a month or so but prior to that he’s been playing far better than he did under mcsheffrey.
I cannot identify your reason for dismissing what I am suggesting. Ridicule seems a bit desperate.
Ridicule, where?
This would be where you used the word “ridiculous”.
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It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.
In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.
Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.
And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.
Barlow has had 3 very good games, mainly because he’s being played in his correct position and given freedom to express himself.
He had a bad game today, to suggest that’s because of schofield is ridiculous.
Hurst has been poor for a month or so but prior to that he’s been playing far better than he did under mcsheffrey.
I cannot identify your reason for dismissing what I am suggesting. Ridicule seems a bit desperate.
Ridicule, where?
This would be where you used the word “ridiculous”.
Barlow has played his best football in his 2 years at the club over the last 3 weeks under schofield, but today he had a poor game and that’s because schofield is ruining him
It just doesn’t make any sense
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I’d be playing 3-5-1-1
Anderson, olowu and either Nelson or Faulkner
Brown rwb, Maxwell lwb
Close, biggins, Lakin in midfield
Rowe/molyneux or hurst playing off miller
Dickos that's a much better version of what Danny does (especially in the middle of the pitch)
Personally having played in a 3 (but really a 5) at the back I hate it. It doesn't tend to offer anything extra defensively and Brown offers very little as a wing back. He's at best an average right back (at best) we had one of the very best right wing backs in the league with Knoyle and Danny played him at centre half.
I understand and respect you want Danny to do well and want to follow the process. But you must believe he simply doesn't have what it takes to organize and motivate a team? His records with Huddersfield is poor and continues with us too.
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Mitchell. Brown, Nelson,close, Molyneux & Hurst
All 1st choices out of a fully fit squad.
Yes that is 6 dickos
DS has made all of them except Nelson into worse players than they were before he got the job.
He is doing his best with Nelson to do the same
He is a joke of a coach.
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It's just depressing.
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I don’t disagree with some of these points but my only point here was that whatever way you look at it there is no way 6 of todays starting 11 woukd get into our strongest current 11 when all are fit
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Mitchell. Brown, Nelson,close, Molyneux & Hurst
All 1st choices out of a fully fit squad.
Yes that is 6 dickos
So who wouldn’t you be playing out of Anderson, Maxwell, olowu, Rowe, biggins, miller, Lakin?
If you’re playing 6 from tonight, that means 2 of these wouldn’t be in your strongest 11
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His Huddersfield record was one win and one draw in 9 matches.
He’s just not a manager.
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Mitchell. Brown, Nelson,close, Molyneux & Hurst
All 1st choices out of a fully fit squad.
Yes that is 6 dickos
DS has made all of them except Nelson into worse players than they were before he got the job.
He is doing his best with Nelson to do the same
He is a joke of a coach.
On the one hand: Folk saying those 6 are in our first choice XI.
On the other hand: Folk saying that our squad isn't that bad.
I put it to the jury that there is a logical inconsistency going on here.
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Mitchell. Brown, Nelson,close, Molyneux & Hurst
All 1st choices out of a fully fit squad.
Yes that is 6 dickos
DS has made all of them except Nelson into worse players than they were before he got the job.
He is doing his best with Nelson to do the same
He is a joke of a coach.
Wouldn't have Molyneux anywhere near the first 11 & Hurst is not regular starting material yet.
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I honestly think tonight’s team might be the worst line up we’ve fielded in a league game since returning back to the football league.
Just have a glance over it again, it is shocking. We were never ever going to lay a glove on them (who were excellent I thought, especially first half).
Danny has absolutely not helped himself and because of that has no credit in the bank now injuries have hit with a lot of fans which is fair enough. But I don’t know what we could have done tonight.
I don’t doubt how bad the football has been and decisions at times but that team was shocking and we were at least better second half.
I would hope none of them are in our first 11 next year.
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Perspective again. We are bottom half in the lowest professional tier of the game, with 3 games to go we are 17 points off the play offs. We’ve managed 1 shot on goal all game against a side with a gate of less than 3,000 who didn’t need to break sweat once. That they are having a good season and we had injuries is a footnote in the greater scheme of things. This is a truly abject season which gets worse the longer it lasts.
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Mitchell. Brown, Nelson,close, Molyneux & Hurst
All 1st choices out of a fully fit squad.
Yes that is 6 dickos
DS has made all of them except Nelson into worse players than they were before he got the job.
He is doing his best with Nelson to do the same
He is a joke of a coach.
On the one hand: Folk saying those 6 are in our first choice XI.
On the other hand: Folk saying that our squad isn't that bad.
I put it to the jury that there is a logical inconsistency going on here.
That isn’t surprising though is it.
Not everyone thinks the same way, a bit like in most things in life.
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Mitchell. Brown, Nelson,close, Molyneux & Hurst
All 1st choices out of a fully fit squad.
Yes that is 6 dickos
DS has made all of them except Nelson into worse players than they were before he got the job.
He is doing his best with Nelson to do the same
He is a joke of a coach.
On the one hand: Folk saying those 6 are in our first choice XI.
On the other hand: Folk saying that our squad isn't that bad.
I put it to the jury that there is a logical inconsistency going on here.
If it’s consensus you want make another poll about DS’s future. That logic isn’t accepted by you and your mate so which is it.
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Mitchell. Brown, Nelson,close, Molyneux & Hurst
All 1st choices out of a fully fit squad.
Yes that is 6 dickos
DS has made all of them except Nelson into worse players than they were before he got the job.
He is doing his best with Nelson to do the same
He is a joke of a coach.
On the one hand: Folk saying those 6 are in our first choice XI.
On the other hand: Folk saying that our squad isn't that bad.
I put it to the jury that there is a logical inconsistency going on here.
If it’s consensus you want make another poll about DS’s future. That logic isn’t accepted by you and your mate so which is it.
Ha love it when folk start trying to be condescending just because they dare to disagree with them.
This is possibly the first topic myself and billy have agreed on in all the years I’ve been on here
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Glad your enjoying your arguing can tell you love it xxx
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Mitchell. Brown, Nelson,close, Molyneux & Hurst
All 1st choices out of a fully fit squad.
Yes that is 6 dickos
DS has made all of them except Nelson into worse players than they were before he got the job.
He is doing his best with Nelson to do the same
He is a joke of a coach.
On the one hand: Folk saying those 6 are in our first choice XI.
On the other hand: Folk saying that our squad isn't that bad.
I put it to the jury that there is a logical inconsistency going on here.
If it’s consensus you want make another poll about DS’s future. That logic isn’t accepted by you and your mate so which is it.
Ha love it when folk start trying to be condescending just because they dare to disagree with them.
This is possibly the first topic myself and billy have agreed on in all the years I’ve been on here
Dickos: Looking at recent posts I cannot detect anything which is “condescending” towards you. However the fact that you are getting pleasure in defending the indefensible rather betrays your relationship with the club. A big majority is desperately unhappy with what is going on, worried and seemingly powerless to exert any influence on the club’s senior management.
And you are “loving it”!
Applying the word “condescending” to you in relation to the level of respect you appear to show for those who offer views counter to your own on here, would be generous.
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I’d be playing 3-5-1-1
Anderson, olowu and either Nelson or Faulkner
Brown rwb, Maxwell lwb
Close, biggins, Lakin in midfield
Rowe/molyneux or hurst playing off miller
So you don’t want us scoring goals either then
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I suspect, based on team selections to date, Schofield's preferred first XI would be: -
Mitchell; Brown, Olowu, Anderson, Nelson, Maxwell; Molyneux, Close, (2 from Biggins, Lakin, Rowe); Miller
5 of those started yesterday. However of those 5: -
Mitchell and Brown are the weakest links in the first choice XI
Molyneux is playing out of position
Nelson went off at HT (though his replacement was an improvement on the night)
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It's not even a conversation, DS set up put pressure on us before we start.
Nothing to do with the players.
It's like watching a defensive drill in training all the way through the games.
It is beyond how any can say that the players are bad.
They were great when we were signing them. The way we currently play and set up would kill any player, especially a centre forward. We could have the best in the world up there, the set up doesn't allow anything to get to him.
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It's not even a conversation, DS set up put pressure on us before we start.
Nothing to do with the players.
It's like watching a defensive drill in training all the way through the games.
It is beyond how any can say that the players are bad.
They were great when we were signing them. The way we currently play and set up would kill any player, especially a centre forward. We could have the best in the world up there, the set up doesn't allow anything to get to him.
Correct.
In a nut shell.
What did we do at Grimsby. We played on the front foot. We played with a quick tempo, we played attacking football. We got support around George Miller.
We looked like a football team.
Grimsby couldn’t live with us that day.
So don’t anyone tell me we don’t have some decent players in this squad. Yes we do.
Yes we are missing some injured players but the results and the football was awful when they were playing.
This is all down to how this Head Coach has set the team up and is asking them to play.
Please please please Blunt get him sacked. What are you waiting for??? :headbang: :facepalm: :crying:
We have a head coach who is not fit for purpose. End of
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It is striking that the odd decent performance is proof that the players are good enough but not the coach. I know we all want what’s best for the club but I don’t think it’s so clear cut what that is. I can still see both sides but accept that the strength of feeling of the majority will probably make DS position untenable.
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I suspect, based on team selections to date, Schofield's preferred first XI would be: -
Mitchell; Brown, Olowu, Anderson, Nelson, Maxwell; Molyneux, Close, (2 from Biggins, Lakin, Rowe); Miller
5 of those started yesterday. However of those 5: -
Mitchell and Brown are the weakest links in the first choice XI
Molyneux is playing out of position
Nelson went off at HT (though his replacement was an improvement on the night)
So, to summarise, at least 8 of the ones who started that match would not be in a preferred first XI, with a properly formulated squad, one of the other 3 played out of position through necessity and one was so poor in the first half that he was taken off. Then there's Close, who I actually forgot was playing in the first half.
But folk still think we should have done better, against an automatic promotion side.
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I suspect, based on team selections to date, Schofield's preferred first XI would be: -
Mitchell; Brown, Olowu, Anderson, Nelson, Maxwell; Molyneux, Close, (2 from Biggins, Lakin, Rowe); Miller
5 of those started yesterday. However of those 5: -
Mitchell and Brown are the weakest links in the first choice XI
Molyneux is playing out of position
Nelson went off at HT (though his replacement was an improvement on the night)
So, to summarise, at least 8 of the ones who started that match would not be in a preferred first XI, with a properly formulated squad, one of the other 3 played out of position through necessity and one was so poor in the first half that he was taken off. Then there's Close, who I actually forgot was playing in the first half.
But folk still think we should have done better, against an automatic promotion side.
Were you there at the match BST.
So it is acceptable to not even get into the opposition penalty area once in 45 mins.
Come on BST we were not playing Man City. We were playing Stevenage a team in League 2
The fact they were sitting 4th in league 2 before the game does not make them a team that is so good we should create Zero.
Zero shots zero corners, nothing.
Come on BST you are defending the indefensible.
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Campsall.
I've made my position clear. You disagree.
Your message here asks me for my opinion, then tells me my opinion is wrong, all in the same post. I'm not sure there's much for either of us to gain by continuing this.
I think you are being massively over the top in your criticism.
You think I'm defending the indefensible.
Neither of us are going to change the other one's mind.
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Campsall.
I've made my position clear. You disagree.
Your message here asks me for my opinion, then tells me my opinion is wrong, all in the same post. I'm not sure there's much for either of us to gain by continuing this.
I think you are being massively over the top in your criticism.
You think I'm defending the indefensible.
Neither of us are going to change the other one's mind.
You would make a brilliant politician BST.
Just avoid answering the question asked.
I know you have a different opinion. Just give me your reasons why you think it is justified DS is kept in this job.
It’s not a difficult question is it? Or maybe it is an impossible one because you don’t have an answer.
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CR
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=287740.msg1231684#msg1231684
As I say, I'm not now going to waste my time engaging directly with someone who asks me a question with one breath, and before taking the next tells me they think I'm wrong.
Agree with what I say or disagree, as you wish. Just don't expect the courtesy of a considered reply when you approach an exchange like that.
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CR
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=287740.msg1231684#msg1231684
As I say, I'm not now going to waste my time engaging directly with someone who asks me a question with one breath, and before taking the next tells me they think I'm wrong.
Agree with what I say or disagree, as you wish. Just don't expect the courtesy of a considered reply when you approach an exchange like that.
Come on BST I was hardly being discourteous. It was a simple question.
The link to your that previous post. I must admit I had not seen it. So my apologies.
You didn’t post it in reply to any of of mine. So it’s one that slipped the net.
So ok you have given your reasons for sticking with DS.
I don’t agree with of with you but I respect your opinion. You gave one and that is all I was asking for.
No problem I don’t want to fall out over it.
It is a forum for opinions. :)
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Oh by the way BST where is it I have said “you are wrong and I am right”
I have never said that to you but by heck you say it to everyone else.
When have you ever ever admitted you were wrong?
No your ego won’t let you do that will it?
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I’d be playing 3-5-1-1
Anderson, olowu and either Nelson or Faulkner
Brown rwb, Maxwell lwb
Close, biggins, Lakin in midfield
Rowe/molyneux or hurst playing off miller
So you don’t want us scoring goals either then
Why’s that then
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It's not even a conversation, DS set up put pressure on us before we start.
Nothing to do with the players.
It's like watching a defensive drill in training all the way through the games.
It is beyond how any can say that the players are bad.
They were great when we were signing them. The way we currently play and set up would kill any player, especially a centre forward. We could have the best in the world up there, the set up doesn't allow anything to get to him.
Correct.
In a nut shell.
What did we do at Grimsby. We played on the front foot. We played with a quick tempo, we played attacking football. We got support around George Miller.
We looked like a football team.
Grimsby couldn’t live with us that day.
So don’t anyone tell me we don’t have some decent players in this squad. Yes we do.
Yes we are missing some injured players but the results and the football was awful when they were playing.
This is all down to how this Head Coach has set the team up and is asking them to play.
Please please please Blunt get him sacked. What are you waiting for??? :headbang: :facepalm: :crying:
We have a head coach who is not fit for purpose. End of
Who was the coach for that Grimsby game?
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So at half time tonight The Process yields....
Goals
Home 1 Away 0
Possession
Home50%Away50%
Shots
Home7Away0
Shots on Target
Home2Away0
Corners
Home1Away0
Utterly pathetic, for god sake someone get rid of this fool.
Fouls
Home5Away3
What do we do with our 50%?
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It's not even a conversation, DS set up put pressure on us before we start.
Nothing to do with the players.
It's like watching a defensive drill in training all the way through the games.
It is beyond how any can say that the players are bad.
They were great when we were signing them. The way we currently play and set up would kill any player, especially a centre forward. We could have the best in the world up there, the set up doesn't allow anything to get to him.
Correct.
In a nut shell.
What did we do at Grimsby. We played on the front foot. We played with a quick tempo, we played attacking football. We got support around George Miller.
We looked like a football team.
Grimsby couldn’t live with us that day.
So don’t anyone tell me we don’t have some decent players in this squad. Yes we do.
Yes we are missing some injured players but the results and the football was awful when they were playing.
This is all down to how this Head Coach has set the team up and is asking them to play.
Please please please Blunt get him sacked. What are you waiting for??? :headbang: :facepalm: :crying:
We have a head coach who is not fit for purpose. End of
Who was the coach for that Grimsby game?
It is the coach’s job to get an entire squad to collectively maintain some level of consistency (of the positive sort).
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It's not even a conversation, DS set up put pressure on us before we start.
Nothing to do with the players.
It's like watching a defensive drill in training all the way through the games.
It is beyond how any can say that the players are bad.
They were great when we were signing them. The way we currently play and set up would kill any player, especially a centre forward. We could have the best in the world up there, the set up doesn't allow anything to get to him.
Correct.
In a nut shell.
What did we do at Grimsby. We played on the front foot. We played with a quick tempo, we played attacking football. We got support around George Miller.
We looked like a football team.
Grimsby couldn’t live with us that day.
So don’t anyone tell me we don’t have some decent players in this squad. Yes we do.
Yes we are missing some injured players but the results and the football was awful when they were playing.
This is all down to how this Head Coach has set the team up and is asking them to play.
Please please please Blunt get him sacked. What are you waiting for??? :headbang: :facepalm: :crying:
We have a head coach who is not fit for purpose. End of
Who was the coach for that Grimsby game?
You said it dickos. Who indeed.
So what has he been doing since the middle of November with the players?
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Oh by the way BST where is it I have said “you are wrong and I am right”
I have never said that to you but by heck you say it to everyone else.
When have you ever ever admitted you were wrong?
No your ego won’t let you do that will it?
CR.
It was the bit where you asked me a question, then immediately told me I was "defending the indefensible".
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Oh by the way BST where is it I have said “you are wrong and I am right”
I have never said that to you but by heck you say it to everyone else.
When have you ever ever admitted you were wrong?
No your ego won’t let you do that will it?
CR.
It was the bit where you asked me a question, then immediately told me I was "defending the indefensible".
Well based on the facts of DS tenure I was right. It is indefensible.
But you’re entitled to your opinion as I have always acknowledged to you or anyone else.
As I keep saying it’s a forum for opinions.
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Oh by the way BST where is it I have said “you are wrong and I am right”
I have never said that to you but by heck you say it to everyone else.
When have you ever ever admitted you were wrong?
No your ego won’t let you do that will it?
CR.
It was the bit where you asked me a question, then immediately told me I was "defending the indefensible".
you are