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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Ryaldinhio on April 29, 2023, 11:09:06 pm
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Watching the game today I thought we really struggled either both Colchester strikers. They only have 7 goals between them this season (5+2) but 8 assists aswell (2+6).
2 big physical lads direct involvement in 15 goals.
I think we need a big lad like their Akinde today, with a lad running off him that can finish like a Heffernan, Blundell or maybe .........take a chance on Goodman????
I think it showed a physical striker works last home game with Bogle and today no one could touch that Akinde until they passed him at a jog but he had already won first/second ball and done his job.
I think we need a big physical striker on a short term deal because if we go up league 1 is more technical.
What's everyone's thoughts?
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After last week's performance, I'd be more than happy with Omar Bogle. Can't believe we froze him out most of last season!
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Agree mate, said I'd take him back now
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A physical presence is always desirable. Doesn't always have to mean a big bugger but someone who's got the stature and guile to be effective in holding the ball, bringing others into play and being a goal threat themselves.
What we don't want is a brick sh^those, who's as mobile as a brick sh*thouse.
I know many didn't think much of Josh Andrews but I thought he had more than just his size. I wonder whether he's got over his 'growth spurts' and might be worth considering again for another try.
I'd like to think we could augment Miller and Lavery with two forwards with that physical presence whilst having Goodman as a development player.
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A physical presence is always desirable. Doesn't always have to mean a big bugger but someone who's got the stature and guile to be effective in holding the ball, bringing others into play and being a goal threat themselves.
What we don't want is a brick sh^those, who's as mobile as a brick sh*thouse.
I know many didn't think much of Josh Andrews but I thought he had more than just his size. I wonder whether he's got over his 'growth spurts' and might be worth considering again for another try.
I'd like to think we could augment Miller and Lavery with two forwards with that physical presence whilst having Goodman as a development player.
Agreed it doesn't need to be a brick shithouse maybe a Chris Brown type?
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We need a mobile, intelligent striker who can hold onto the ball but can finish as well. Someone who can adapt to the game, whether it be a short passing one, or when things aren’t going right, to be able to hold his own on the physical side. We need pace throughout the side also.
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Agreed with Baz, a big lump like Matt Smith is no good.
Joe Ironside from Cambridge fits the bill, good in the air and hard working. 14 goals in L1 last season and 14 in L2 the season before getting Cambridge promoted. Is from Middlesbrough like Copps so could easily be talked in to a move up north. Out of contract.
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Agreed with Baz, a big lump like Matt Smith is no good.
Joe Ironside from Cambridge fits the bill, good in the air and hard working. 14 goals in L1 last season and 14 in L2 the season before getting Cambridge promoted. Is from Middlesbrough like Copps so could easily be talked in to a move up north. Out of contract.
Great shout ncRover.
If Ironside is out of contract then we should go and get him. I like him. Not that big in stature but strong like Marquis and scores goals. Has a 1 in 3 scoring record at Cambridge over 123 games and a 1 in 2 at Kidderminster over 84 games.
As you say from Middlesbrough so Copps will understand his accent :)
Unless Copps has got any better lined up then Ironside would be a great signing.
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Agreed with Baz, a big lump like Matt Smith is no good.
Joe Ironside from Cambridge fits the bill, good in the air and hard working. 14 goals in L1 last season and 14 in L2 the season before getting Cambridge promoted. Is from Middlesbrough like Copps so could easily be talked in to a move up north. Out of contract.
Great shout ncRover.
If Ironside is out of contract then we should go and get him. I like him. Not that big in stature but strong like Marquis and scores goals. Has a 1 in 3 scoring record at Cambridge over 123 games and a 1 in 2 at Kidderminster over 84 games.
As you say from Middlesbrough so Copps will understand his accent :)
Unless Copps has got any better lined up then Ironside would be a great signing.
Yep he was the one who allowed Paul Mullin to get all his goals as well. Could do the same for G Miller. Joe’s dad based in Sheffield too.
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One problem ncRover ref Ironside.
He played with Kyle Knoyle at Cambridge.
If he spoke to Kyle to get his opinion on DRFC and DS what would KK tell him? :zzz:
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To be fair to GMc he highlighted this very trait and got Andrews in unfortunately the lad was still growing
Would love us to get Ironside but we’d probably end up with one in a wheelchair
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Agreed with Baz, a big lump like Matt Smith is no good.
Joe Ironside from Cambridge fits the bill, good in the air and hard working. 14 goals in L1 last season and 14 in L2 the season before getting Cambridge promoted. Is from Middlesbrough like Copps so could easily be talked in to a move up north. Out of contract.
Do you mean Michael Smith? The player who scored a hattrick yesterday and who bullied our defence mercilessly for rotherham.
I'd have him here like a shot
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Agreed with Baz, a big lump like Matt Smith is no good.
Joe Ironside from Cambridge fits the bill, good in the air and hard working. 14 goals in L1 last season and 14 in L2 the season before getting Cambridge promoted. Is from Middlesbrough like Copps so could easily be talked in to a move up north. Out of contract.
Do you mean Michael Smith? The player who scored a hattrick yesterday and who bullied our defence mercilessly for rotherham.
I'd have him here like a shot
No Smith who’s at Salford ex-Millwall. Wouldn’t have him.
Josh Andrews couldn’t win a header and touch was awful.
Michael Smith yes but not a chance he drops down to L2.
Only Ironside and Bowman are upcoming free agents in the Chris Brown mould we have a realistic chance for in my opinion.
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Andrew’s actually looked decent in preseason but it never happened in the couple of games he played
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If Schofield insists on continuing with the same tactics next season I agree that Rovers desperately need a physical striker capable of holding the ball up.
The gap between the lone centre forward and the supporting midfield is a chasm currently. The strikers we have are simply not strong/good enough to hold onto the ball long enough when it comes to them before the cavalry belatedly comes to their support.
However this will inevitably encourage even more long balls forward when we come under pressure.
I'm hoping (beyond hope) Schofield adapts his system with players of his choosing so that the forward (maybe even forwards) are supported much more quickly.
Then a big, physical striker is not a must. And we will hopefully see more football and more attacking football.
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The old fashioned hold the ball up frontman is definitely a bit of a dying breed these days .
The wing back that can actually defend is another but for another conversation .
The game is quicker now and most HC's with at least half a clue know that the speed of the transition is fundamental to success .
HC's are more likely to want a player up front who has the nous and experience to buy the cheap free kick rather than hold the ball up and set up the set piece scenario .
Getting that ball in the opposition's defensive third quickly and in numbers is where it's at today in my opinion .
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Agree Tyke but at this level there aren't many, if any, smaller strikers who can do that against the usual lumps at Centre back
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Agreed Raven. George Miller just doesn’t have the touch or technique for that.
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The old fashioned hold the ball up frontman is definitely a bit of a dying breed these days .
The wing back that can actually defend is another but for another conversation .
The game is quicker now and most HC's with at least half a clue know that the speed of the transition is fundamental to success .
HC's are more likely to want a player up front who has the nous and experience to buy the cheap free kick rather than hold the ball up and set up the set piece scenario .
Getting that ball in the opposition's defensive third quickly and in numbers is where it's at today in my opinion .
That's what Schofield is aiming for although the evidence of that has been too few and far between.
The 'Transitions' as they call it have been too disjointed and there's reasons for that. For a start, we've only really had one ever present in midfield in Ben Close, and he's had more partners around him than Katie Price.
We remember fondly some of our attacking prowess of the past, including when we had Herbie Kane forging an almost telepathic combination with Copps, both linking play and punching holes in defences. Communication on our pitch has been by carrier pigeon more like.
At times, we have moved the ball quickly from the back to the final third but the quality of play and support for the ball carrier in that final third has been poor overall. We just haven't committed in sufficient numbers to shift defences out of their comfort zone.
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Agreed Raven. George Miller just doesn’t have the touch or technique for that.
That's a fair observation and it's something he has to work on however, he does have the movement and work rate to drag defenders where they don't want to go, and that's a key ingredient but we haven't had anywhere near enough players getting into the spaces he creates. Biggins should be one of those who gets beyond Miller into those spaces and he has done it but nowhere near enough probably through fear of leaving midfield light on numbers. Of course, our wide players like Hurst, Molyneux, Rowe etc should be exploiting space inside better.
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Vadaine Olivier. Only making the bench this season for Bradford due to Cook. If they go up I can’t see him getting any more time.
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Agree with the above Miller has looked a lot poorer due to no support from our midfield, the same way our defence has coped poorly due to our midfield
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Hang on though - can you for one minute imagine any prospective centre forward choosing to come to us ??
In this system or process - it's like a turkey volunteering for Christmas.
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It's very rare to see these days the old big un , little un combination up front .
Quinn and Phillips at Sunderland , Wilko and Hendrie at Oakwell , Brendan and Kitchen at Rovers .
Proper wingers like Ian Miller , Tony Towner at Rotherham or Stewart Barraclough at Oakwell feeding the strikers with a supply of crosses .
The games evolved and players today are expected to do more and have way more to their game , even keepers are judged as much on their ability with the ball at their feet , playing the last man sweeper role as well as their goalkeeping attributes .
Joe Hart was bombed out of The Ethiad not because he was a poor goalkeeper but because he wasn't too great at passing the ball .
Although nobody seems too bothered at Anfield that Trent can't defend for toffee or that his first job is to defend , clearly it isn't just as long as he creates or scores more goals than he actually gives away , it's debatable as to which comes out on top in my opinion .
How many times these days are you screaming for the ball to be put in the box from the wide areas only for the player to go back or inside .
Defences playing a higher line today make that tactic null and void , watch some footage on YouTube from the 70's and crosses were coming in from deep areas and leading to goals , just doesn't happen today .
Speed , athleticism , supreme fitness and more strings to your bow are the requirements of today .
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Not to mention a tiny bit of skill
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I thought the same at the start of the season Tyke but we have conceded a lot of goals from crosses, long throws and set pieces in league 2.
Perhaps it’s not necessary for a top L1 side but it’s very preferential to have the option of a physical striker as a league 2 side in my opinion.
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I thought the same at the start of the season Tyke but we have conceded a lot of goals from crosses, long throws and set pieces in league 2.
Perhaps it’s not necessary for a top L1 side but it’s very preferential to have the option of a physical striker as a league 2 side in my opinion.
It most definitely is preferable to have physicality up top in league one but not in the old fashioned way .
At the top of this league you have Gregory , Smith and Windass at Wednesday , George Hirst at Ipswich and Norwood and Watters over here .
Norwood's game is based on physicality and confrontation but holding the ball up isn't what he's about , in fact he's not that good at it in all honesty .
Watters is slightly better but that's not his game either .
Carlton Morris from the last two season's the same , big strong lad but his game was way more than the old fashioned target man , hold the ball up merchant .
What coaches today are looking for is strength and physicality but facing the opposition goal .
The way young George Hirst shrugged off Mads Andersen on the half way line last Tuesday night at Oakwell as though he wasn't there and ran at speed before finishing clinically in to the bottom corner is in my opinion where the game today is at .
He bullied our three physical centre backs all night , we couldn't handle the lad .
Never saw the bugga hold the ball up once to any affect , he preferred to go down and win the free kick .
That's probably how he's been coached .
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It's very rare to see these days the old big un , little un combination up front .
Quinn and Phillips at Sunderland , Wilko and Hendrie at Oakwell , Brendan and Kitchen at Rovers .
Proper wingers like Ian Miller , Tony Towner at Rotherham or Stewart Barraclough at Oakwell feeding the strikers with a supply of crosses .
The games evolved and players today are expected to do more and have way more to their game , even keepers are judged as much on their ability with the ball at their feet , playing the last man sweeper role as well as their goalkeeping attributes .
Joe Hart was bombed out of The Ethiad not because he was a poor goalkeeper but because he wasn't too great at passing the ball .
Although nobody seems too bothered at Anfield that Trent can't defend for toffee or that his first job is to defend , clearly it isn't just as long as he creates or scores more goals than he actually gives away , it's debatable as to which comes out on top in my opinion .
How many times these days are you screaming for the ball to be put in the box from the wide areas only for the player to go back or inside .
Defences playing a higher line today make that tactic null and void , watch some footage on YouTube from the 70's and crosses were coming in from deep areas and leading to goals , just doesn't happen today .
Speed , athleticism , supreme fitness and more strings to your bow are the requirements of today .
I agree with what you’re saying Tyke but this is League 2 and it’s not for the purist.
There just are not enough good technical players at this level to play a the perfect football game.
Good old fashioned proper defending and a centre forward who can put himself about a bit, hold the ball up
and score goals are the attributes needed. Pace on the flanks, a hard man in midfield and a box to box midfielder are also essentials to be successful at this level.
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It's very rare to see these days the old big un , little un combination up front .
Quinn and Phillips at Sunderland , Wilko and Hendrie at Oakwell , Brendan and Kitchen at Rovers .
Proper wingers like Ian Miller , Tony Towner at Rotherham or Stewart Barraclough at Oakwell feeding the strikers with a supply of crosses .
The games evolved and players today are expected to do more and have way more to their game , even keepers are judged as much on their ability with the ball at their feet , playing the last man sweeper role as well as their goalkeeping attributes .
Joe Hart was bombed out of The Ethiad not because he was a poor goalkeeper but because he wasn't too great at passing the ball .
Although nobody seems too bothered at Anfield that Trent can't defend for toffee or that his first job is to defend , clearly it isn't just as long as he creates or scores more goals than he actually gives away , it's debatable as to which comes out on top in my opinion .
How many times these days are you screaming for the ball to be put in the box from the wide areas only for the player to go back or inside .
Defences playing a higher line today make that tactic null and void , watch some footage on YouTube from the 70's and crosses were coming in from deep areas and leading to goals , just doesn't happen today .
Speed , athleticism , supreme fitness and more strings to your bow are the requirements of today .
I agree with what you’re saying Tyke but this is League 2 and it’s not for the purist.
There just are not enough good technical players at this level to play a the perfect football game.
Good old fashioned proper defending and a centre forward who can put himself about a bit, hold the ball up
and score goals are the attributes needed. Pace on the flanks, a hard man in midfield and a box to box midfielder are also essentials to be successful at this level.
I understand where you are coming from Campsall and you are dead right that some of the old ways still have impact status not only in league two but at every level .
Ipswich Town even factoring in the huge spend at league one level still had defenders who took no unnecessary risks and cleared their lines , there was very little fannying around at the back .
Morsy was the classic midfield ball winner and still the dirty bstrd he's always been .
Where we perhaps have a difference of opinion is in the offensive side of the game .
League Two it maybe but it's not Dinosaur land either .
A big bugga fine but he has to be able to run , be mobile , have a turn of pace with the physicality .
The only difference between George Hirst and his League Two counterpart is that Hirst can do it against better defences but that doesn't mean the League Two lad can't do it at the level he's at .
League Two defenders can and are bullied and they are bullied when they have to turn , when everything is in front of them then thats different .
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I think the game is always changing and evolving but some things are always valuable. Yes like you say Tyke, you have a strong tall player like Haaland who has pace and is actually more dangerous running behind and facing the opposition rather than back to play. But for De Bruyne’s goal against Arsenal he showed classic target man hold up play in what was a direct but very very good goal. Something Man City as trendsetters are doing increasingly.
Liverpool have stopped playing with Firmino who has world class hold up play in favour of Darwin Nunez (physical running at you type) and their dynamic has fallen apart this season.
A player like Harry Kane who is a midfielder and striker all in 1 could play in any era past, present or whatever the future holds.
Giroud another one still causing problems at international level at 36 years old. Superb player.
It’s about getting players to compliment what we already have and you will know George Millers strengths and weaknesses are.
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Goodman’s hold up play has been very good when he’s come on.
No reason why we should give him a full pre-season and a chance to be a rotation player next season.
Would help his development, the budget and future sale prospects.
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I think the game is always changing and evolving but some things are always valuable. Yes like you say Tyke, you have a strong tall player like Haaland who has pace and is actually more dangerous running behind and facing the opposition rather than back to play. But for De Bruyne’s goal against Arsenal he showed classic target man hold up play in what was a direct but very very good goal. Something Man City as trendsetters are doing increasingly.
Liverpool have stopped playing with Firmino who has world class hold up play in favour of Darwin Nunez (physical running at you type) and their dynamic has fallen apart this season.
A player like Harry Kane who is a midfielder and striker all in 1 could play in any era past, present or whatever the future holds.
Giroud another one still causing problems at international level at 36 years old. Superb player.
It’s about getting players to compliment what we already have and you will know George Millers strengths and weaknesses are.
I think personally there's more to George Miller's game than you've probably seen .
We played Bolton away in last season's league cup 1st round and put a scratch team out and Miller played RWB .
On the night he was excellent and easily our best player , I'm not suggesting he should become a RWB what I'm saying there's more to his game than perhaps you've seen .
When Connor Chaplin was at Oakwell he played up front and got isolated much of the time , he was alright but you couldn't help thinking there was more in him .
He goes to Ipswich and they convert him to an attacking midfielder so now he's playing the game facing forward and he's become twice the player we saw at Oakwell and scored 23 league one goals this season
George strikes me as someone who could do similar .
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When I use the word physicality Tyke ref a striker I don’t mean he has to be 6ft 4ins
What we need is someone who can play with his back to goal, hold the ball up and bring people into play.
Yes we need mobility and some pace also but they are fairly rare commodities to have all in one player at in league 2.
Just someone like Marquis, Ironside, or the like would do.
Miller could thrive alongside someone of that ilk.
If we had a Mullin and Palmer like Wrexham then you don’t need a hold up player.
Just sheer pace and quality finishing would destroy all league 2 defences.
You need the midfielders though with the ability to feed them of course,
Trouble is DS is fixated with a lone striker so it’s a problem.
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I think the game is always changing and evolving but some things are always valuable. Yes like you say Tyke, you have a strong tall player like Haaland who has pace and is actually more dangerous running behind and facing the opposition rather than back to play. But for De Bruyne’s goal against Arsenal he showed classic target man hold up play in what was a direct but very very good goal. Something Man City as trendsetters are doing increasingly.
Liverpool have stopped playing with Firmino who has world class hold up play in favour of Darwin Nunez (physical running at you type) and their dynamic has fallen apart this season.
A player like Harry Kane who is a midfielder and striker all in 1 could play in any era past, present or whatever the future holds.
Giroud another one still causing problems at international level at 36 years old. Superb player.
It’s about getting players to compliment what we already have and you will know George Millers strengths and weaknesses are.
I think personally there's more to George Miller's game than you've probably seen .
We played Bolton away in last season's league cup 1st round and put a scratch team out and Miller played RWB .
On the night he was excellent and easily our best player , I'm not suggesting he should become a RWB what I'm saying there's more to his game than perhaps you've seen .
When Connor Chaplin was at Oakwell he played up front and got isolated much of the time , he was alright but you couldn't help thinking there was more in him .
He goes to Ipswich and they convert him to an attacking midfielder so now he's playing the game facing forward and he's become twice the player we saw at Oakwell and scored 23 league one goals this season
George strikes me as someone who could do similar .
Tyke imo DS has destroyed Miller’s confidence. I am sure he would prefer to be back at Barnsley as 5th choice striker than playing in this system DS plays which totally isolates him.
Any way he has been injured for about 6 weeks. Lucky him it must be more enjoyable being in rehab than playing. Sad sad state of affairs.
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Akinde is absolutely atrocious.
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He had two very good seasons at League Two level, playing for a very average side in Barnet (23 in 43 in 2015/16 and 26 in 46 in 2016/17) and a half decent season at Lincoln City also in League Two (15 in 45 in 2018/19) but has otherwise struggled with goal return in league football his entire career.
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Tyke, when was the last time Barnsley were in L2? When was the last time you regularly watched L2 football in the flesh?
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A great many of our striking issues this season have been about the support play for anyone who has had the unfortunate task of being out "lone striker" If we had Haaland playing for us this season things would have not been much better due to the awful transitions we have as a whole in the team.
Still believe our 5 at the back is the main contributor to all our issues, we don't get the benefit of any forward momentum or attacking prowess from any of our wing backs this season barr Maxwell who just before he went down was producing MOM performances on a regular basis. Even Moly who in all intents should be a progressive and forward thinking "wing back" has struggled to get forward enough to A, provide deliveries or ammunition for a lone forward or B, provide support and a passing option if any of our "lone forwards " ever have the audacity to be able to hold onto a ball.
Because we have the slowest midfield this side of a jar of molasses we needed our wing backs to be able to get into advanced positions far more often than happens, if they did and could we would have the opportunity to play balls into dangerous areas for the lone striker and players like Hurst/Barlow to run onto and crate something from not too much, because the wing backs are far to preoccupied with having to defend a flood of players coming through to them because of ineffective tracking back from our "slow thinking central midfielders" this will always be the issue for a team created in the image of DS.
We don't necessarily need massive size and brute strength we need, proactive midfielders with guile and speed of thought to get forward to support a striker who also can be quick and bright to capitalise on poor defending or a breaking ball, opportunities we seemed to have spurned all season, i think Miller in the last couple of games has created two half chances from just being this type.
John Marques used to do it on a regular basis when here.
We need smarter and brighter thinking from our attacking players as well as our dogmatic HC.
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Tyke, when was the last time Barnsley were in L2? When was the last time you regularly watched L2 football in the flesh?
It’s a fair question to ask him ravenrover as League 2 is considerably inferior to League 1.
This is an awful league. I am astonished actually at how bad it is.
I would think all this seasons top 7/8 clubs in the National league would finish in the top 14/15 easily in this league this season.
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A great many of our striking issues this season have been about the support play for anyone who has had the unfortunate task of being out "lone striker" If we had Haaland playing for us this season things would have not been much better due to the awful transitions we have as a whole in the team.
Still believe our 5 at the back is the main contributor to all our issues, we don't get the benefit of any forward momentum or attacking prowess from any of our wing backs this season barr Maxwell who just before he went down was producing MOM performances on a regular basis. Even Moly who in all intents should be a progressive and forward thinking "wing back" has struggled to get forward enough to A, provide deliveries or ammunition for a lone forward or B, provide support and a passing option if any of our "lone forwards " ever have the audacity to be able to hold onto a ball.
Because we have the slowest midfield this side of a jar of molasses we needed our wing backs to be able to get into advanced positions far more often than happens, if they did and could we would have the opportunity to play balls into dangerous areas for the lone striker and players like Hurst/Barlow to run onto and crate something from not too much, because the wing backs are far to preoccupied with having to defend a flood of players coming through to them because of ineffective tracking back from our "slow thinking central midfielders" this will always be the issue for a team created in the image of DS.
We don't necessarily need massive size and brute strength we need, proactive midfielders with guile and speed of thought to get forward to support a striker who also can be quick and bright to capitalise on poor defending or a breaking ball, opportunities we seemed to have spurned all season, i think Miller in the last couple of games has created two half chances from just being this type.
John Marques used to do it on a regular basis when here.
We need smarter and brighter thinking from our attacking players as well as our dogmatic HC.
Stop giving DS compliments. “Dogmatic” know what you’re saying but the man is blinded by his own incompetence. He seriously is the worst coach I have ever seen. Well one tharpts supposed to be a coach.
Can’t count Weaver because well he just was an insignificance.
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Tyke, when was the last time Barnsley were in L2? When was the last time you regularly watched L2 football in the flesh?
1979 , but I watch enough league two football to form an opinion , probably seen four or five games this season .
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When I use the word physicality Tyke ref a striker I don’t mean he has to be 6ft 4ins
What we need is someone who can play with his back to goal, hold the ball up and bring people into play.
Yes we need mobility and some pace also but they are fairly rare commodities to have all in one player at in league 2.
Just someone like Marquis, Ironside, or the like would do.
Miller could thrive alongside someone of that ilk.
If we had a Mullin and Palmer like Wrexham then you don’t need a hold up player.
Just sheer pace and quality finishing would destroy all league 2 defences.
You need the midfielders though with the ability to feed them of course,
Trouble is DS is fixated with a lone striker so it’s a problem.
But how many players today are coached with those attributes Campsall ?
We all agree the games evolved or to put it another way the players that Rovers and ourselves are in the market for have more often than not started at a higher level , probably in these academies since they were 10 years old and got released .
We've probably picked them up when they did well at a lower level and offer them a route back .
Rovers have picked up a number of players in the same way , often when they are surplus to requirements at bigger clubs .
There's a hell of a lot of coaching already in these lads to play the game a certain way .
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Tyke, when was the last time Barnsley were in L2? When was the last time you regularly watched L2 football in the flesh?
1979 , but I watch enough league two football to form an opinion , probably seen four or five games this season .
How many of those involved Donny? Look at the calibre of forward players we have. Nearly every team I've watched us play this season have had big forwards and not all used as big lumps, sorry Tyke but we will have to disagree about big lads up front
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Kyle hudlin from Huddersfield 6ft 9 could be worth a loan deal
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Tyke, when was the last time Barnsley were in L2? When was the last time you regularly watched L2 football in the flesh?
1979 , but I watch enough league two football to form an opinion , probably seen four or five games this season .
How many of those involved Donny? Look at the calibre of forward players we have. Nearly every team I've watched us play this season have had big forwards and not all used as big lumps, sorry Tyke but we will have to disagree about big lads up front
I think we've crossed wires along the way Raven .
I'm cool with the big bugga up top and a focal point , the focus on a more direct approach and get that ball up in the opposition's defensive third as quickly as you can and put them under huge pressure , feed off the bits and pieces around the box with runners supporting the big lad .
Where I'm sceptical is the hold up man which in my opinion can slow the play down .
I can accept hold up play when managing a game , 1-0 up away from home going in to the last 10 minutes , drawing fouls and generally running the clock down .
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Tyke, when was the last time Barnsley were in L2? When was the last time you regularly watched L2 football in the flesh?
1979 , but I watch enough league two football to form an opinion , probably seen four or five games this season .
Hi tyke.
The best team I saw at our place this season were ….. Kings Lynn in the FACup game.
I think that says much about the lack of quality in L2.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-what-danny-schofield-said-about-signing-a-target-man-this-summer-4127408
I thought he was going to suggest it was archaic nonsense but he seems open to the idea. :thumbsup:
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Tyke, when was the last time Barnsley were in L2? When was the last time you regularly watched L2 football in the flesh?
1979 , but I watch enough league two football to form an opinion , probably seen four or five games this season .
Hi tyke.
The best team I saw at our place this season were ….. Kings Lynn in the FACup game.
I think that says much about the lack of quality in L2.
Agree hound.
They were the most impressive side we have played at home this season.
They did a proper job on us.
There was only one team going to win that game from min 1 to min 90+
The only other team that looked quite decent was Mansfield
If we’re a half decent team with Manager who set us up right we would have finished top 7 no problem
With 3/4 quality players we would have been challenging Leyton Orient for the title.
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I think it would be a god thing if Schofield read what is being said here because I am not convinced that he has any idea at all about what is needed. Has anyone ever heard him talk in a way that makes you believe that he understands what sort of qualities a team needs in its players to achieve results in League 2?
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Agreed with Baz, a big lump like Matt Smith is no good.
Joe Ironside from Cambridge fits the bill, good in the air and hard working. 14 goals in L1 last season and 14 in L2 the season before getting Cambridge promoted. Is from Middlesbrough like Copps so could easily be talked in to a move up north. Out of contract.
Great shout ncRover.
If Ironside is out of contract then we should go and get him. I like him. Not that big in stature but strong like Marquis and scores goals. Has a 1 in 3 scoring record at Cambridge over 123 games and a 1 in 2 at Kidderminster over 84 games.
As you say from Middlesbrough so Copps will understand his accent :)
Unless Copps has got any better lined up then Ironside would be a great signing.
Released by Cambridge.
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GM will have a list compiled that’s for sure.
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Reading on twitter, just yesterday, that, according to some bright spark, GM has already been in touch with JM about a return. How anybody would actually know that, I don’t know, but it does make you wonder what GM is thinking along the lines of.
His interview was a very good guide to where he’s going to be coming from. Talking about ‘an unforgiving league’ and ‘being able to mix it’ are on the money and we’ve (supporters) been saying it for long enough that we simply don’t have that type of player, certainly not in midfield or attack. I think that is going to change with GM. I just hope TB’s significant funds are enough to get what he wants.
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Reading on twitter, just yesterday, that, according to some bright spark, GM has already been in touch with JM about a return. How anybody would actually know that, I don’t know, but it does make you wonder what GM is thinking along the lines of.
His interview was a very good guide to where he’s going to be coming from. Talking about ‘an unforgiving league’ and ‘being able to mix it’ are on the money and we’ve (supporters) been saying it for long enough that we simply don’t have that type of player, certainly not in midfield or attack. I think that is going to change with GM. I just hope TB’s significant funds are enough to get what he wants.
I am sure they will be. TB isn’t messing about with this.
I think he has realised that the budget was way off what was required to compete for a top 3 spot.
Having said that Stevenage achieved it but they had the Evans factor. Hate saying it but he is a motivator if nothing else. I think it only works for so long at each club with him. Once he starts throwing tea cups at players he then starts losing them.
Think that’s proved at the short length of time he is at each club. 2 yrs is about ave 3 yrs pretty much maximum I think anywhere.
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Reading on twitter, just yesterday, that, according to some bright spark, GM has already been in touch with JM about a return. How anybody would actually know that, I don’t know, but it does make you wonder what GM is thinking along the lines of.
His interview was a very good guide to where he’s going to be coming from. Talking about ‘an unforgiving league’ and ‘being able to mix it’ are on the money and we’ve (supporters) been saying it for long enough that we simply don’t have that type of player, certainly not in midfield or attack. I think that is going to change with GM. I just hope TB’s significant funds are enough to get what he wants.
I am sure they will be. TB isn’t messing about with this.
I think he has realised that the budget was way off what was required to compete for a top 3 spot.
Having said that Stevenage achieved it but they had the Evans factor. Hate saying it but he is a motivator if nothing else. I think it only works for so long at each club with him. Once he starts throwing tea cups at players he then starts losing them.
Think that’s proved at the short length of time he is at each club. 2 yrs is about ave 3 yrs pretty much maximum I think anywhere.
“Once he starts throwing tea cups at players he then starts losing them”.
Camps, I don’t think that Evans will worry about losing a few tea cups mate.
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IN Goodman and Adamson the academy have unearthed two youngsters (strikers) who want nurturing and bringing on next season and probably good loans at a good level combined with training with the first team squad to get the feel of proper men's football.
They are the most talented young strikers we have had for a long time, are different styles of play that complement each other, Goodman has come on leaps and bounds this season, is a goal scorer and hold up player, Adamson is tall and quick takes defenders on and runs the channels wider, and also gets in the box.
My opinion is, if those two and Flint who has the capabilities of being a good defensive midfielder reads a game and positionally is very good are not given the correct pathway by the club it is a failure of the academy system, they are at and above u18s level now Adamson and Flint only 17yrs old coming to their second year as a scholars. They need to be stretched and challenged in men's football and Goodman needs careful handling in and around the first team or a very good loan at somewhere like Gainsborough where the manager has an interest in bringing young talent on,.
We as a club cannot afford to waste this chance, both for possible financial gain and for the players themselves to have good careers in the game.
At every age group we have youngsters who are showing a lot of promise, some attracting big clubs watching them every week with envious eyes, which is great but no good if the pathway disappears at 18yrs old and comes to a full stop.
If we are not to have an u23s or a lot of good friendlies we have to find other ways of allowing them to progress.
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Tyke, when was the last time Barnsley were in L2? When was the last time you regularly watched L2 football in the flesh?
1979 , but I watch enough league two football to form an opinion , probably seen four or five games this season .
As many as that….wow!
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Selby, I ask you this question with the utmost respect, and without sarcasm, but are you, or have you been a football coach/manager/scout? as your posts show a great understanding of the game, and make for a very interesting and informative read. Just curious that's all.
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Reading on twitter, just yesterday, that, according to some bright spark, GM has already been in touch with JM about a return. How anybody would actually know that, I don’t know, but it does make you wonder what GM is thinking along the lines of.
His interview was a very good guide to where he’s going to be coming from. Talking about ‘an unforgiving league’ and ‘being able to mix it’ are on the money and we’ve (supporters) been saying it for long enough that we simply don’t have that type of player, certainly not in midfield or attack. I think that is going to change with GM. I just hope TB’s significant funds are enough to get what he wants.
I am sure they will be. TB isn’t messing about with this.
I think he has realised that the budget was way off what was required to compete for a top 3 spot.
Having said that Stevenage achieved it but they had the Evans factor. Hate saying it but he is a motivator if nothing else. I think it only works for so long at each club with him. Once he starts throwing tea cups at players he then starts losing them.
Think that’s proved at the short length of time he is at each club. 2 yrs is about ave 3 yrs pretty much maximum I think anywhere.
“Once he starts throwing tea cups at players he then starts losing them”.
Camps, I don’t think that Evans will worry about losing a few tea cups mate.
He might if he has to fork out for some new ones. The knives will be out for him. :chair:
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Managed teams, coached youngsters, even refereed games and watched football for over seventy years, and have seen many good players misused and overlooked who have been lost to the game.
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Sam Smith has left Cambridge following the expiry of his contract. Almost certainly out of our league though.
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Selby, when you said Anderson, did you mean Adamson?
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Sam Smith has left Cambridge following the expiry of his contract. Almost certainly out of our league though.
Don’t want any Fisherthem round here!
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Yes Alan thanks for the correction, a senior moment or two.
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His recruitment priorities to just plug holes in the current squad:
Goalkeeper
Right back
2 x central midfielders
Central striker
Beyond these necessities, recruitment is then optional including for how he wants to set up play, but could include wide player(s) to give options to Hurst and Taylor (if fit), central defensive leader and a second keeper if Jones leaves.
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He's played 4-2-3-1 more than 4-3-3 since leaving us.
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As long as he doesn’t keep banging about process and moments
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As long as he doesn’t keep banging about process and moments
His after match interviews I know word for word.
Every single one of them was identical.
Nothing personal but he wouldn’t motivate me. You would feel flat as a pancake before you went out to play after listening to him in the dressing room.
Just the first half dozen words from GM’s interview on his arrival this week got me off my seat.
He is someone you can believe what he is saying. He actually knows what he is saying is something he will achieve.
Just can’t believe how bad DS was as a 1st Team head coach. Unbelievably bad. He needs to start in the National league North if he wants to be a Manager / Head Coach.
Otherwise go back to coaching a Development U23 team or a Youth team where results are not the primary consideration and objective.
Thank you to whoever made this decision to dispose of DS you saved our football club from disaster.
Thank you Gavin Baldwin who I gather made the initial approach to Grant McCann. An inspired decision and one I believe will reap great dividends for this football club.
If we keep GM for 4/5 years and back him with the finance, then I believe we have every chance of seeing Championship football in 2027/28
Not saying it will happen but we have a serious chance.
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Camps it will be great to hear what the players actually thought further down the line.
DS is possibly an excellent coach but needs an FA course on management to go with the coaching badge
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Camps it will be great to hear what the players actually thought further down the line.
DS is possibly an excellent coach but needs an FA course on management to go with the coaching badge
You don’t need courses to be able to Manage.
That comes from within imo.
You either can or you can’t. Only the experience of doing it can make you better at it.
Warnock and Evans are no great tactical wizz kids but by heck they can motivate.
Warnock is the top man can do it with Championship and lower end Premier league teams. Evans with Lower league Clubs.
No one taught them, no management courses for them I am pretty sure. Just have the personalities to do it.
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Camps it will be great to hear what the players actually thought further down the line.
DS is possibly an excellent coach but needs an FA course on management to go with the coaching badge
You don’t need courses to be able to Manage.
That comes from within imo.
You either can or you can’t. Only the experience of doing it can make you better at it.
Warnock and Evans are no great tactical wizz kids but by heck they can motivate.
Warnock is the top man can do it with Championship and lower end Premier league teams. Evans with Lower league Clubs.
No one taught them, no management courses for them I am pretty sure. Just have the personalities to do it.
Steve Evans, Neil Warnock and Grant McCann all have UEFA Pro Licences so have done significantly more management training than Danny Schofield.
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It was tongue in cheek
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It was tongue in cheek
I was replying to Campsall’s assertion that “No one taught them, no management courses for them I am pretty sure”.
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Camps it will be great to hear what the players actually thought further down the line.
DS is possibly an excellent coach but needs an FA course on management to go with the coaching badge
You don’t need courses to be able to Manage.
That comes from within imo.
You either can or you can’t. Only the experience of doing it can make you better at it.
Warnock and Evans are no great tactical wizz kids but by heck they can motivate.
Warnock is the top man can do it with Championship and lower end Premier league teams. Evans with Lower league Clubs.
No one taught them, no management courses for them I am pretty sure. Just have the personalities to do it.
Steve Evans, Neil Warnock and Grant McCann all have UEFA Pro Licences so have done significantly more management training than Danny Schofield.
Well what I meant Nick was any Management courses they have been on, Pro Licence etc is not the reason they have been successful.
They are in their 70’s and 60’s and have vastly more experience than DS
You cant buy experience and you can’t do courses to change your personality.
My wording was misleading Nick . Yes they will have Pro Licences of course. :)
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It was tongue in cheek
Yes I assumed that. :)
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Yes Alan thanks for the correction, a senior moment or two.
It's a big Country
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As long as he doesn’t keep banging about process and moments
Yes Alan thanks for the correction, a senior moment or two.
F@*%ing Hell, we've even got Selby talking about 'moments' now.
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If only we could get someone like Andy Cook who once again is kicking arse against Carlisle as we speak - top pro and always a pleasure to watch - surely the player of the year in League 2??
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When you are over 75 yrs old Iaatp's you are allowed as many moments as you like, in fact everything comes down to moments when in the past you could go on for hours.
The wife is usually the first to notice.
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If only we could get someone like Andy Cook who once again is kicking arse against Carlisle as we speak - top pro and always a pleasure to watch - surely the player of the year in League 2??
We see far more goals like Bradford's tonight than total football goals in this league.
Will be interesting to see if Notts County can continue their possession style against more energetic high-pressing teams in this division.
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Anybody else think Bradford will bottle it in the second leg? 1-0 is better than 0-0, but it’s hardly over and done with (unlike Peterborough’s position).
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Anybody else think Bradford will bottle it in the second leg? 1-0 is better than 0-0, but it’s hardly over and done with (unlike Peterborough’s position).
I think Bradford will get a draw in 2nd leg. It’s far from over in both games. Both perfectly set up for 2nd leg
The only thing we can say with confidence is Sheff Wed will be playing League 1 football again next season.
Oh what a shame. :clapping:
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Bradford stronger than Carlisle for me.
I don’t think Stockport will get back in to it. Main striker is injured and you can just let a side like that pass around their back 3.
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Bradford stronger than Carlisle for me.
I don’t think Stockport will get back in to it. Main striker is injured and you can just let a side like that pass around their back 3.
Thought Carlisle were much the better side and unlucky not to win the game, if they aye like that at home they will progress to the final. Also I think Stockport will progress.
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My mate was telling me about Andy Cook last night.
Apparently Wrexham offered 135,000 for Cook in January.
City asked him to stay saying they would talk to him at the end of the season or he could leave as a free agent.
He stayed and has now rejected Wrexham again and signed a three year deal with City.
His wife said that at this stage of his career he needed to do what was best for his family. City must have matched or been near whatever Wrexham offered so maybe they aren't splashing as much cash as people expected.
The mate has been watching City since 1959 and as I live in Bradford I do trust his sources.
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Anybody else think Bradford will bottle it in the second leg? 1-0 is better than 0-0, but it’s hardly over and done with (unlike Peterborough’s position).
I think Bradford will get a draw in 2nd leg. It’s far from over in both games. Both perfectly set up for 2nd leg
The only thing we can say with confidence is Sheff Wed will be playing League 1 football again next season.
Oh what a shame. :clapping:
Oh dear. :chair: :crying:
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Not been a great season of predictions for you, Campsall eh :rolleyes:
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Bradford stronger than Carlisle for me.
I don’t think Stockport will get back in to it. Main striker is injured and you can just let a side like that pass around their back 3.
Nailed it
:lol:
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I don’t think many of us 12 month ago looked ahead and saw the season to come unwinding as pitifully as it did, but there were some absolutely catastrophic predictions last summer - Rovers to win the title and Miller to score 30 goals springs to mind. I can only assume people didn’t really believe this could happen but projected what they hoped would happen. If they really did believe that, the authorities need to intervene and take care of them.
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Not been a great season of predictions for you, Campsall eh :rolleyes:
It never is. I used to be quite good 15/20 yrs ago.
More recently I am useless. :facepalm:
I will keep making them though. It’s good fun and always brings me back down to earth making me realise watching Football for over 60 yrs counts for nothing really.
It’s the unpredictable nature of Football and most Sports that makes it interesting. :)
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Agreed with Baz, a big lump like Matt Smith is no good.
Joe Ironside from Cambridge fits the bill, good in the air and hard working. 14 goals in L1 last season and 14 in L2 the season before getting Cambridge promoted. Is from Middlesbrough like Copps so could easily be talked in to a move up north. Out of contract.
:woohoo:
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Camps it will be great to hear what the players actually thought further down the line.
DS is possibly an excellent coach but needs an FA course on management to go with the coaching badge
You don’t need courses to be able to Manage.
That comes from within imo.
You either can or you can’t. Only the experience of doing it can make you better at it.
Warnock and Evans are no great tactical wizz kids but by heck they can motivate.
Warnock is the top man can do it with Championship and lower end Premier league teams. Evans with Lower league Clubs.
No one taught them, no management courses for them I am pretty sure. Just have the personalities to do it.
What a load of b*llocks that is.Warnock has a UEFA pro license. His whole set up and style of play is tactical and how to get results against perceived better quality sides. Agreed he is a great motivator but on that logic should all these clubs should just bring in Joe Wicks in as gaffer?
I think you should maybe have a look at what actually is delivered on the coaching courses and how it benefits the coach/manager rather than pretty much saying all education just a waste of time. Might as well stop putting kids through school and get rid of driving lessons while we are at it.
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Akinde is absolutely atrocious.
Released by Colchester United.
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Akinde is absolutely atrocious.
Released by Colchester United.
Signed for Braintree Town in the National League.