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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on May 20, 2023, 12:47:58 pm
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...reminded me how shite this league is. Misplaced passes and aimless hoys up the pitch. Thud and Blunder.
If we can just get 2-3 athletes with the aggression needed, we ought to piss promotion.
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...reminded me how shite this league is. Misplaced passes and aimless hoys up the pitch. Thud and Blunder.
If we can just get 2-3 athletes with the aggression needed, we ought to piss promotion.
Maybe 4/5 Billy.
But yes get those players in and with a Manager who knows how to set a team up you’re dead right.
There will be completion for top 3 though Billy.
Top 7 seriously should be there for the taking under GM
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We'll piss top 7 .
But Notts county, and Wrexham will be forces
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We'll piss top 7 .
But Notts county, and Wrexham will be forces
As will Bradford, Stockport, Salford in particular. One may go up of course.
Expect, MK Dons, Swindon and Carlisle to be fairly strong.
Morecambe, Accrington, Forest Green not sure how strong. There will be one dark horse no doubt also.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Can seem like that sometimes but when you watch Rovers' games from 30 years ago then look at 4th tier now I think there's a big improvement and then you think of the number of kids who spend years in academies and get nowhere near this level, it must be better than it looks. Most teams just cancel each other out half the time, there's only really Man City who stand out ridiculously, maybe the most talented team ever.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Think that’s unfair Gaz Laz
The Premier league is on another level. 4 levels higher.
Our 4th tier is better than most Europeans country’s 2nd tier. Our 3rd tier is on par with some European 1st tier.
Don’t forget we haven’t seen much football live below the 3rd tier in the last 25 seasons have we.
Only 3 seasons. Let’s hope the 4th season is the last we see for a very very long time.
We have forgotten how far below what we have been used to League 2 actually is in standard
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Turning into a good watch this game.
Extra time all County so far.
Money is on them now I think so that guarantees a Salford win ;)
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Still going to be tough next year will be very competitive
3 out of these 4 play off teams
MK Dons
Gillingham
Wrexham
Notts Co
Mansfield
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Still going to be tough next year will be very competitive
3 out of these 4 play off teams
MK Dons
Gillingham
Wrexham
Notts Co
Mansfield
Definitely, I'd be more than happy with top 7 and some exciting football, would be a massive improvement!
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One word from me
Just knew it :chair:
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Oh maybe not.
These play offs never fail do they?
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Only someone who weren't very good at football themselves would say something like that. Even just to make it as a league 2 player you have got to have something about you and a good player but to make it to premiership and even more city level you are special.
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Could do with Stockport winning so we get a chance to sign cairns
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The Danny Bergara Stand. Is that our Danny Bergara?
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It's OK, I looked. Managed them for 6 years. Must of been good to get a stand named after him
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
What a load of absolute b*llocks this is.
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That’s Stockport possibly out the way.
I think they will win the final.
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The Danny Bergara Stand. Is that our Danny Bergara?
Yes
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Try the SPL.
According to Sky this afternoon, Celtic just cant handle Curtis Main. Hes on a hat-trick.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Should I bump into Alan Warboys, Alan Little, Michael McIndoe, John Doolan, Peter Kitchen and all the others who have stolen a wage by playing at 4th tier or below I will make sure I pass on your informed insight.
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...reminded me how shite this league is. Misplaced passes and aimless hoys up the pitch. Thud and Blunder.
If we can just get 2-3 athletes with the aggression needed, we ought to piss promotion.
I hope you just mean 2/3 athletes and then plus some grit and experience. 2/3 athletes will only see us mid table
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It’s much harder to be a pro footballer even at national league level than pretty much any career. Pretty much every child in the country will take up playing football at some point so the competition pool is massive to then be able to make a living out if it is something you should be proud of imo.
While I settle in to my day of meetings, emails and spreadsheets, before paying to go to a gym and play 5 a side, I’m pretty envious that a talented few get to run about on a training pitch looking after themselves and knocking a ball about for a few hours a day.
I probably make more than the average L2 player but I’d swap in a instant and that’s before you talk about the potential for them to earn much more if they do well in football.
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talkSPORT comms questioning Mark Hughes’ in-game management. Has also lost 11 points to injury time goals they say. Serves him right for being a bellend in that first game. Bradford fans think they can get promoted on attendances… see you next year!
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League Two is going to be really competitive next year.
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League Two is going to be really competitive next year.
Bring it on, I can't fookin wait for the fixtures to come out.
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That’s Stockport possibly out the way.
I think they will win the final.
I don't, Camps. I think Carlisle will win, and it'll be better for us if they do, as Stockport's a much closer away game.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
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Spot on dickos, extremely difficult to become a pro footballer even at Conference North or South level,
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That’s Stockport possibly out the way.
I think they will win the final.
I don't, Camps. I think Carlisle will win, and it'll be better for us if they do, as Stockport's a much closer away game.
They might win SS but I think Stockport are likely to be the stronger of the 2 teams next season imo.
Anyway we have to play who we have to play of course
If we are going to go up we need to go and beat far more teams than we lose to whoever they are.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
Who was the best footballer at your school Gaz and where are they now?
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
And how many established amateur playera make it to L2 level?
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
And how many established amateur playera make it to L2 level?
To put it in perspective - a local junior outfit like Tickhill Juniors which has been going around 30 years, and for the last 10 years or so been one of the larger set ups, has had literally many thousands of kids through the door, produced loads of successful junior sides etc,etc yet the only one I know of ever to play League Football was Robert Betts about 25 years ago( Coventry etc ) .The only other famous ex TJFC kid I am aware of is Louis Tomlinson !!
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I’d be interested to see a list of donny lads who have made it as pro’s, or just currently playing in the league. I’d never heard of the lad at Swansea mentioned in another thread.
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I’d be interested to see a list of donny lads who have made it as pro’s, or just currently playing in the league. I’d never heard of the lad at Swansea mentioned in another thread.
Alex Mowatt. Alex Cairns. Mason Holgate. Jerry Yates. Danny Rose floating about somewhere. Callum Howe (Solihulls captain but not quite league status)
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
And how many established amateur playera make it to L2 level?
To put it in perspective - a local junior outfit like Tickhill Juniors which has been going around 30 years, and for the last 10 years or so been one of the larger set ups, has had literally many thousands of kids through the door, produced loads of successful junior sides etc,etc yet the only one I know of ever to play League Football was Robert Betts about 25 years ago( Coventry etc ) .The only other famous ex TJFC kid I am aware of is Louis Tomlinson !!
Norton United produced 3 players Adie Moses, Neil Illman ( my stepson ) & Sam Hird who all made there Football League debuts between 1993 and 2006 for Barnsley, Middlesbrough & Rovers respectively.
But yes not many lads make it to the top 4/5 tiers. Not many at all.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
And how many established amateur playera make it to L2 level?
To put it in perspective - a local junior outfit like Tickhill Juniors which has been going around 30 years, and for the last 10 years or so been one of the larger set ups, has had literally many thousands of kids through the door, produced loads of successful junior sides etc,etc yet the only one I know of ever to play League Football was Robert Betts about 25 years ago( Coventry etc ) .The only other famous ex TJFC kid I am aware of is Louis Tomlinson !!
Terry Barwick played for them and played league football.
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I remember Desi Bennett at Danum as a kid, he was immense way out in front of any other kid and so strong. He’s probably the best young player i’d seen as a youngster myself and also of any young kids I saw whilst watching my lad play. He was brilliant. Made one substitute appearance for Rovers. Did go to Australia or New Zealand I think and played down there. Always reminds me how good you need to be to just get anywhere near 4th Division standard.
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I’d be interested to see a list of donny lads who have made it as pro’s, or just currently playing in the league. I’d never heard of the lad at Swansea mentioned in another thread.
Alex Mowatt. Alex Cairns. Mason Holgate. Jerry Yates. Danny Rose floating about somewhere. Callum Howe (Solihulls captain but not quite league status)
Darren Mansaram and Lee Beevers went to my school and made professional careers.
As others have said, it’s a really tough industry. To suggest that those that make it to League Two shouldn’t be able to class themselves footballers is incredibly ignorant and disrespectful. I doubt there are many on here that made it but we all throw our opinions around.
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I remember Desi Bennett at Danum as a kid, he was immense way out in front of any other kid and so strong. He’s probably the best young player i’d seen as a youngster myself and also of any young kids I saw whilst watching my lad play. He was brilliant. Made one substitute appearance for Rovers. Did go to Australia or New Zealand I think and played down there. Always reminds me how good you need to be to just get anywhere near 4th Division standard.
Played against Desi a few times. He once stamped on the b*llocks of one of our lads which set off a massive brawl.
Great days.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
Doesn't matter if they don't go on to become elite players, even just to play in league 2 is a great achievement. The amount of players that have never played 11 a side Sunday league football because they have spent all their time at academies and don't make it even to league 2 football shows how difficult it is to even get to that level. So they do have the right to call themselves a professional footballer and brag a little about it.
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Dave Speedie
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Christian Lee, Michael Rankine and Lee Cowling.
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Andy Butler.
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Christian Lee, Michael Rankine and Lee Cowling.
Christian Lee was shite, amazing what your dad's money can get you.
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Harry Middleton!
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
And how many established amateur playera make it to L2 level?
To put it in perspective - a local junior outfit like Tickhill Juniors which has been going around 30 years, and for the last 10 years or so been one of the larger set ups, has had literally many thousands of kids through the door, produced loads of successful junior sides etc,etc yet the only one I know of ever to play League Football was Robert Betts about 25 years ago( Coventry etc ) .The only other famous ex TJFC kid I am aware of is Louis Tomlinson !!
To be fair. You generally know if a kids got half a chance at 6 years old. They don’t play in local leagues after that. They get hoovered up by academies.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
And how many established amateur playera make it to L2 level?
To put it in perspective - a local junior outfit like Tickhill Juniors which has been going around 30 years, and for the last 10 years or so been one of the larger set ups, has had literally many thousands of kids through the door, produced loads of successful junior sides etc,etc yet the only one I know of ever to play League Football was Robert Betts about 25 years ago( Coventry etc ) .The only other famous ex TJFC kid I am aware of is Louis Tomlinson !!
To be fair. You generally know if a kids got half a chance at 6 years old. They don’t play in local leagues after that. They get hoovered up by academies.
I would disagree on that. I've seen loads of kids at 6 and 7 years old who looked amazing and then look quite ordinary at 13 years old.
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To be fair not many are rubbish at 6-7 and end up been pro players. To have at bit at that ages is just the start. Then players just get shedded from the big clubs till there’s a brilliant few at the older ages. And even then a lot of them never play much league football.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
And how many established amateur playera make it to L2 level?
To put it in perspective - a local junior outfit like Tickhill Juniors which has been going around 30 years, and for the last 10 years or so been one of the larger set ups, has had literally many thousands of kids through the door, produced loads of successful junior sides etc,etc yet the only one I know of ever to play League Football was Robert Betts about 25 years ago( Coventry etc ) .The only other famous ex TJFC kid I am aware of is Louis Tomlinson !!
To be fair. You generally know if a kids got half a chance at 6 years old. They don’t play in local leagues after that. They get hoovered up by academies.
I would disagree on that. I've seen loads of kids at 6 and 7 years old who looked amazing and then look quite ordinary at 13 years old.
Completely agree
Kids all develop at different stages, you can have someone who can’t kick a ball at 6 but at 13 he’s incredible. And the same token a 6 year old can look outstanding but all the other kids have caught him up by 10.
They’re like little flower buds in a field all
Shooting up at different stages and different speeds.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
And how many established amateur playera make it to L2 level?
To put it in perspective - a local junior outfit like Tickhill Juniors which has been going around 30 years, and for the last 10 years or so been one of the larger set ups, has had literally many thousands of kids through the door, produced loads of successful junior sides etc,etc yet the only one I know of ever to play League Football was Robert Betts about 25 years ago( Coventry etc ) .The only other famous ex TJFC kid I am aware of is Louis Tomlinson !!
To be fair. You generally know if a kids got half a chance at 6 years old. They don’t play in local leagues after that. They get hoovered up by academies.
I would disagree on that. I've seen loads of kids at 6 and 7 years old who looked amazing and then look quite ordinary at 13 years old.
Completely agree
Kids all develop at different stages, you can have someone who can’t kick a ball at 6 but at 13 he’s incredible. And the same token a 6 year old can look outstanding but all the other kids have caught him up by 10.
They’re like little flower buds in a field all
Shooting up at different stages and different speeds.
I've coached kids who had the ball super glued to their boots at 8 years old. When they got to under 14s they were a shadow of their former self because the game got too physical for them. A lot of lads drop out at 13/14.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
And how many established amateur playera make it to L2 level?
To put it in perspective - a local junior outfit like Tickhill Juniors which has been going around 30 years, and for the last 10 years or so been one of the larger set ups, has had literally many thousands of kids through the door, produced loads of successful junior sides etc,etc yet the only one I know of ever to play League Football was Robert Betts about 25 years ago( Coventry etc ) .The only other famous ex TJFC kid I am aware of is Louis Tomlinson !!
To be fair. You generally know if a kids got half a chance at 6 years old. They don’t play in local leagues after that. They get hoovered up by academies.
I would disagree on that. I've seen loads of kids at 6 and 7 years old who looked amazing and then look quite ordinary at 13 years old.
Of yourself you can be great at 6 and rubbish at 14. You are not going to be an elite player if you are rubbish at 6/7 though. You can’t really teach the fundamental motor skills they are born with, you just improve them more from a high base.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
And how many established amateur playera make it to L2 level?
To put it in perspective - a local junior outfit like Tickhill Juniors which has been going around 30 years, and for the last 10 years or so been one of the larger set ups, has had literally many thousands of kids through the door, produced loads of successful junior sides etc,etc yet the only one I know of ever to play League Football was Robert Betts about 25 years ago( Coventry etc ) .The only other famous ex TJFC kid I am aware of is Louis Tomlinson !!
To be fair. You generally know if a kids got half a chance at 6 years old. They don’t play in local leagues after that. They get hoovered up by academies.
I would disagree on that. I've seen loads of kids at 6 and 7 years old who looked amazing and then look quite ordinary at 13 years old.
Completely agree
Kids all develop at different stages, you can have someone who can’t kick a ball at 6 but at 13 he’s incredible. And the same token a 6 year old can look outstanding but all the other kids have caught him up by 10.
They’re like little flower buds in a field all
Shooting up at different stages and different speeds.
Love that analogy dickos.
You’re not wrong. They all develop at different ages. Some improve as they get older and some go backwards or lose interest.
My Grandson was very average at 6 yrs of age. He will be 11 on Wednesday and he is now outstanding.
How good he will be in another 4/5 yrs who knows.
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L2 is awful. Imagine watching Man City the other night and playing in L2 and still referring to yourself as a footballer. Certainly nothing to brag about being getting paid a wage to play football in the 4th tier or below. The majority of players are just getting a wage by default really.
Usually your posts are sensible and make sense but this statement is so unbelievably wrong it’s crazy..
for any footballer to get to a level good enough to play at league 2 is an unbelievable achievement, and you’ve got to be a player with outstanding ability to make it to that level.
4th and 5th division players are generally closer to being amateur players than elite players though aren’t they?
You’re being very disrespectful GazLaz about lower league footballers.
How many players over the years started at tier 4 or even 5 and went on to have good careers in the top tier or tier 2 of the pyramid.
Just look at how many Rovers players that have done that over the years.
Look at how many that played in the top 2 tiers then come down and play in the lower leagues at the end of their careers.
Not that many become elite players. Discounting loanees obviously.
And how many established amateur playera make it to L2 level?
To put it in perspective - a local junior outfit like Tickhill Juniors which has been going around 30 years, and for the last 10 years or so been one of the larger set ups, has had literally many thousands of kids through the door, produced loads of successful junior sides etc,etc yet the only one I know of ever to play League Football was Robert Betts about 25 years ago( Coventry etc ) .The only other famous ex TJFC kid I am aware of is Louis Tomlinson !!
To be fair. You generally know if a kids got half a chance at 6 years old. They don’t play in local leagues after that. They get hoovered up by academies.
I would disagree on that. I've seen loads of kids at 6 and 7 years old who looked amazing and then look quite ordinary at 13 years old.
Completely agree
Kids all develop at different stages, you can have someone who can’t kick a ball at 6 but at 13 he’s incredible. And the same token a 6 year old can look outstanding but all the other kids have caught him up by 10.
They’re like little flower buds in a field all
Shooting up at different stages and different speeds.
Love that analogy dickos.
You’re not wrong. They all develop at different ages. Some improve as they get older and some go backwards or lose interest.
My Grandson was very average at 6 yrs of age. He will be 11 on Wednesday and he is now outstanding.
How good he will be in another 4/5 yrs who knows.
Is he in the rovers set up?
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I always think Kevin Keegan is the outstanding example about youth development. He was too small everyone said and wasn’t particularly gifted. But he wanted it so much he worked hard constantly. Great biography with lots of Donny references and examples of the amazing fitness things he did.
He was my hero growing up and I played for the primary school, then Sunday league. But I packed it in by secondary school as I wanted to stay at home and watch Swap Shop on a Saturday morning! The top lad in our team went to Sheff Utd but dropped out later.
I watch my lad now who is 9. 1 or 2 of the 6 or 7 year olds he plays with look like Messi with the ball tied to their feet. But they have no clue about passing or finding space. It’s fascinating to watch. I coach him with a few ideas but mainly it’s about encouraging that love of playing the game, which never leaves you.
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GazLaz no he isn’t.
He was over a year ago but didn’t enjoy it.
He plays for Doncaster Boys schools U11’s
They have just won their league and a Cup also this season.
If he is good enough then he will get the attention of league Clubs later on.
I don’t personally think he needs to be at an Academy until probably age 13/14
Sometimes they get over coached at too early an age.
He needs to enjoy himself right now. He could suffer burn out before he gets to age 16. So many lads do and then lose interest.
Think if the ability is there then it doesn’t go away.
It’s all about desire and how much you are determined to be a Pro Footballer.
If you have the ability and are single minded about achieving Pro level by being prepared to work really hard, then that can be achieved without being in an Academy at a very early age imo.
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One of my mates had a school friend who was on the books at Scunthorpe as a youth player.
They released him when he was 20. He occasionally helped out my mate's Sunday team when they were short of players and he said the skill this guy had was unbelievable. And he couldn't make it at fourth tier Scunthorpe.
I think people do underestimate what it takes to become a professional football player.
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Andy Butler.
We must have gone to the same school!
There was a few in that year group that went on to play senior football.
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Mike Elwiss.
We sold him to PNE for £70k then PNE sold him to Crystal Palace for £200k.
At Palace he played with Gerry Francis, Kenny Sansom, Steve Kember & Vince Hilaire. A knee injury cut his playing career short.
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One of my mates had a school friend who was on the books at Scunthorpe as a youth player.
They released him when he was 20. He occasionally helped out my mate's Sunday team when they were short of players and he said the skill this guy had was unbelievable. And he couldn't make it at fourth tier Scunthorpe.
I think people do underestimate what it takes to become a professional football player.
I would agree with that. I've played against one or two that didn't quite break through and they were unbelievable in relative terms. I won't name names but one in particular stands out who I played against once on the 7-a-side pitches at the Keepmoat.
He was in the Rovers set-up a while ago and didn't quite make it (made the bench a couple of times I think and might have come on as a sub for a few minutes once or twice). He went on to play for quite a few clubs in non-league round here, and to us mere mortals the guy was an unbelievable player. None of us could get near him and we looked like utter mugs at the side of him. He was a million times better than anyone I'd ever played against before in at amateur level. It's a massive eye-opener.