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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: GazLaz on August 05, 2023, 08:33:01 pm
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What a player he is. We will get big money for him if we keep developing him correctly.
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Absolutely. We need to extend his contract.
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Extend it?! Were lucky he signed the last one, mugged him right off there…
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If (IF) he does continue to develop well then realistically we are going to have to sell him next summer. His contract is up in summer 2025. Potentially if we get promoted at end of this season he might think about signing a new deal and play in League One, but a talented, strong and fast centre back is going to be in real demand.
Similarly I see Whiteman has been out injured this summer so it looks very unlikely anyone is going to be signing him this window. His contract is up next summer so unless he signs a new one, he goes for peanuts in January or more likely he walks out next summer for free and we lose any chance of pocketing a decent fee.
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I'll put decent money on Olowu never playing above the bottom end of L1.
I really do not get what people see in him. He's reasonably able, with a regular mistake in him.
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He's going to be a busy lad playing with Wood.
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I'll put decent money on Olowu never playing above the bottom end of L1.
I really do not get what people see in him. He's reasonably able, with a regular mistake in him.
If we stay in L2 his next move is likely to skip L1. I’m pretty much certain of that.
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I'll put decent money on Olowu never playing above the bottom end of L1.
I really do not get what people see in him. He's reasonably able, with a regular mistake in him.
You had a bad day BST?
We all love you for being a grumpy t**t but even by your standards you seem very negative this evening.
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Oh and just to answer the point of the thread, I thought Olowu had an excellent game and was very unlucky to concede the penalty.
Playing alongside Wood will definitely help his development but today I would say Joe was the better central defender of the two.
Certainly his forward movement and distribution was better than Wood’s. But they will make a good partnership I think, and Olowu has a good career ahead of him despite BST’s views.
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People really shouldn’t fall into the trap of responding to wind ups.
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Last season Richard Wood had scored 4 goals after 7 Championship games and was Rotherham's top scorer - so hopefully we too can make use of him from corners
also the manager tried not to play him in midweek matches to give him time to recover --so hopefully he will be rested on Tuesday
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Tuesday seems a good opportunity for Anderson to start.
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Thought they were both decent today, the centre halves.
We were quite open at times when the full-backs and midfield had pushed on so I think it put a lot of pressure on JO and RW, despite Bailey, to my mind, having a decent game.
I think McCann will do what he can to rectify this issue, but I also think that we are going to have to accept that, at times this season, we will look a bit open and vulnerable to counter attacks, because that’s kinda what you sign up for with McCann, and that’s not a criticism. The guy likes to go for it and get bodies forward.
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I'll put decent money on Olowu never playing above the bottom end of L1.
I really do not get what people see in him. He's reasonably able, with a regular mistake in him.
He’ll get to Championship level minimum
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23, lightning quick, good on the ball, massive stature. He’s got all the raw materials there that people are looking for, and time on his side for the other stuff to be coached. I’d be amazed if he doesn’t play higher than L1 in the next few years.
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If he gives away an unnecessary penalty like that every week we'll be relegated.
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Thought they were both decent today, the centre halves.
We were quite open at times when the full-backs and midfield had pushed on so I think it put a lot of pressure on JO and RW, despite Bailey, to my mind, having a decent game.
I think McCann will do what he can to rectify this issue, but I also think that we are going to have to accept that, at times this season, we will look a bit open and vulnerable to counter attacks, because that’s kinda what you sign up for with McCann, and that’s not a criticism. The guy likes to go for it and get bodies forward.
I think that's a very fair observation and yesterday we could see at times we were too anxious to get the ball forward quickly, because that's the message from the manager, but as a result we're giving the ball away too cheaply with too many aimless balls, percentage balls, blind passes etc. The balls then coming back at you just as quick.
Of course there's a balance and that's football all over. Sometimes less haste is more speed.
On Olowu, he's got all the attributes and let's not forget, he's still young and learning so he should benefit from Wood alongside him to reduce those cock ups.
Wood probably regrets not shouting Olowu to stay on his feet for the pen. He will next time.
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He seems to posses all the qualities but is yet to string a competent run of games together as he's been hampered by injuries and the fact he's played in a poor team last season.Can only improve at the side of Wood but needs to cut out needless errors which are more down to lack of concentration than ability.
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If he gives away an unnecessary penalty like that every week we'll be relegated.
A bit harsh,In the premier league,with VAR that would not have been a penalty.
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If he gives away an unnecessary penalty like that every week we'll be relegated.
Bit of a silly comment. Firstly it wasn’t a penalty.
Secondly what player good or bad in the history of the game, has given a penalty away every week.
We will also get relegated if we play without a goalkeeper every week or score 3 own goals every week.
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I dun't know what the current zeitgeist is in defending but my impression was you force the attacker to the outside and do not lunge in (certainly not in the box). At best he's got a shot from a tight angle. In a case where it's not clear where the ball went I'd say it's 50/50 whether the ref tries to make a name for himself and give a penalty so why risk it? (Live and on several replays I thought it was a penalty so what chance has the ref got from behind the play?) It's poor decision making for me - he can clearly improve in this area.
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I’ve seen it lots of times and not once do I think it looks a penalty the ball clearly moves away towards the east stand.
It was a great tackle
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I’ve seen it lots of times and not once do I think it looks a penalty the ball clearly moves away towards the east stand.
It was a great tackle
Exactly,if you keep your eye on the ball,it's momentum slows and changes direction as soon as Jo make his tackle,the extra camera angles used in premier league with VAR would have made it obvious to see.
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No one is saying the ball didn't move.
The question is whether Olowu wiped out the player first. You cannot judge that from the video, full stop.
And the bigger question is whether a defender should be even thinking of making a challenge like that in that position.
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It was a good advantage by the ref on halfway and Olowu did brilliant to make up the ground as the lad was rapid , if he was through on goal on the face of it it looks an amazing tackle but Wood was covering and the player was going nowhere so it was a senseless tackle .
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It likely wasn’t a penalty but he put himself in a position where Mr Magoo could make the decision he did. Olowu is clearly physically the right stuff and seems a very nice guy who wants to learn. The question will be whether he makes dumb decisions because we’ve been such a shitshow the last few seasons and ruined his early education but this will change, or whether there is just cotton wool between his ears full stop. Time will tell but fact he seems such a genuine and eager lad does give you some hope.
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The reaction from all the players,including Harrogates,who was all around and closer than us to the incident was pretty clear they didn't think it was a pen.
In an ideal world,with ideal ref's,why should'nt he make the tackle if he is confident he can do it without fouling,but hey we don't have a perfect world or perfect Ref's,so yes he might have been better not making the tackle in that situation and position,but I have seen much better,experienced players in higher leagues do exactly the same.As for his career,Im split,he is at a juncture and it can go either way.
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In real time from the South Stand I thought it looked clumsy and arguably a penalty (though certainly not clean cut). The video doesn’t change that much.
Interesting graphic posted by Gaz on Twitter. Why the hell was Wood that deep, and why did he not snuff this out before their player got into the box?
I think Wood and Olowu will be a great partnership for us, but if we’re apportioning blame on this one then both take a share.
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It wasn’t a penalty in my view.
If he hadn’t made the tackle the player would have taken the ball across Olowu towards goal & a shooting opportunity or enabling him to dribble into a better angle for a shot as once he’d cut across Olowu any attempt to tackle him would have been a stonewaller.
A great tackle which neither the player, opposing fans or lino appealed against. How the ref could give it from the angle & distance he was from the incident is beyond me….a bit like CiM’s silly comment & BST’s bombastic attitude on Olowu’s future.
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No one is saying the ball didn't move.
The question is whether Olowu wiped out the player first. You cannot judge that from the video, full stop.
And the bigger question is whether a defender should be even thinking of making a challenge like that in that position.
Having viewed it several times on twitter Olowu clearly gets the ball not the man, the view the ref got you would say penalty however what’s the point of the assistant who had a better view if you don’t ask them
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Olowu, Biggins, Close, Anderson, Molyneux. Maxwell, Rowe and Taylor have a huge amount to prove this season. They were part of a Rovers squad that finished in the worst position in 20 years. They now appear to have a lot of support, a good management team, new blood, and a crowd that wants them to do well. So before any of them start playing in the championship let’s see some quality from them.
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Don't forget Hurst
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Is Hurst injured as well?
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Is Hurst injured as well?
yes, due to see a specialist on monday for 2nd opinion about a thigh strain.
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I was a guest in the ECO POWER box right in line with the penalty box great tackle, got the ball first then the player went over his leg. Ref gave penalty booked lawlor for protest then put his hand to his microphone ask lino, he shook his head either no pen or the obvious one I don't know
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Sat watching the game right now finding it hilarious the poster that put about him never playing above low league 1 is being serious.
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It was probably a wind up post.
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Olowu has been brilliant here. What a player.
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He's incredibly good
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Immense tonight we will do well to hold on to him before the end of the season with performances like that
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Very good performance from Olowu. One of many tonight.
Strange how some folk celebrate a superb performance by laying into someone else, but if it makes them happy, then grand.
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My MOM tonight
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Fantastic effort from Olowu tonight, kept good control on strikers worth millions, mention to for Anderson, GM had said he was going to do 60 mins tonight but in that caldron he kept him going and Tom responded well considering his long lay off.
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Lawlor, Olowu and Moly were outstanding, Anderson and Maxwell got better as the game went on, Broadbent, Bailey and Biggins ran themselves to water, Roberts also, Miller prospered from having players to support him and Sotona showed glimpses of what he can do. All round bloody good team performance, just a shame they didn’t do it at the weekend
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He had a nightmare yesterday. It's not going to be spectacular performances that make him a good player, it's going to be boring consistency.
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I’m a big fan of Olowu but I’ve made this comment on here before - if he makes a mistake early on he tends to have a mare. If he can get consistency into his game he will be a really good player
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Seems to have everything - pace, ball skills, energy, stamina, attitude, commitment. But the mistakes just keep on coming and yesterday he was every bit as poor as he was good at Hull.
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Seems to have everything - pace, ball skills, energy, stamina, attitude, commitment. But the mistakes just keep on coming and yesterday he was every bit as poor as he was good at Hull.
I agree with this. In terms of raw talent he has got the lot.
Unfortunately he lacks composure/panics too often in key moments leading to mistakes/terrible decision making which cost Rovers too many goals.
This fatal flaw in his game has cost Rovers 3 goals in 2 league games and lost us both matches. And will ultimately (unless he eradicates the problem which seems increasingly unlikely at 23 and 50+ appearances) kill any chance he has of fulfilling his obvious potential. Sadly.
His challenge in the Harrogate game may not have been a foul/penalty but putting in a sliding tackle in that situation was sheer naivety.
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There's a good player in there, however he needs to gain consistency soon. His decision making, starting positioning and anticipation of the movement of the ball were particularly poor yesterday. I was also struck by just how much coaching he was receiving from Wood who was instructing him on the basics such as when to press the ball, when to drop off, when to compete for the first aerial ball etc.
He's 24 years old in a couple of months - it's not unfair to expect a more polished player at that age.
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I suspect Woods would giving those instructions if he was playing Virgil VD. I think it is to keep himself on his toes as much as anyone else.
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I suspect Woods would giving those instructions if he was playing Virgil VD. I think it is to keep himself on his toes as much as anyone else.
Agree, its also a learning phase for both as they settle into a partnership, yesterday was one of those days where everything that can go wrong just did, if you learn the lessons from it (and where talking coaches as well as players) then it will have value. A functioning midfield to assist the defence usually makes a big difference.
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Wonder if he will play Tuesday or will grant give him a break just out of the firing line for a match, just sit and watch brief.
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It likely wasn’t a penalty but he put himself in a position where Mr Magoo could make the decision he did. Olowu is clearly physically the right stuff and seems a very nice guy who wants to learn. The question will be whether he makes dumb decisions because we’ve been such a shitshow the last few seasons and ruined his early education but this will change, or whether there is just cotton wool between his ears full stop. Time will tell but fact he seems such a genuine and eager lad does give you some hope.
Think Newport probably strengthens this.
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I thought Oluwo’s impression of Rho Sean Williams yesterday was remarkably good.
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He was awful yesterday but he’s still a novice isn’t he.
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There's a good player in there, however he needs to gain consistency soon. His decision making, starting positioning and anticipation of the movement of the ball were particularly poor yesterday. I was also struck by just how much coaching he was receiving from Wood who was instructing him on the basics such as when to press the ball, when to drop off, when to compete for the first aerial ball etc.
He's 24 years old in a couple of months - it's not unfair to expect a more polished player at that age.
My biggest wish this Season is I never see the endless ‘there’s a player in there’ quotes. I see this as indicating that they are a really poor player who might have a couple of good moments on the occasions they get lucky. Aiden Barlow… a great 45 minutes in god knows how long, talk about clinging on in hope …. There’s a player in there you know.
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Barlow has not played a minute this season yet for Eastleigh. Not in squad for their first game and then he was an unused sub for their second game.
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I'll put decent money on Olowu never playing above the bottom end of L1.
I really do not get what people see in him. He's reasonably able, with a regular mistake in him.
If we stay in L2 his next move is likely to skip L1. I’m pretty much certain of that.
Possibly time to revisit this. See it now BST?
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He had a good game again and got McGrath out of jail when Jetta skinned him for the only time in the game.
They are forming a really good partnership.
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I'll put decent money on Olowu never playing above the bottom end of L1.
I really do not get what people see in him. He's reasonably able, with a regular mistake in him.
If we stay in L2 his next move is likely to skip L1. I’m pretty much certain of that.
Possibly time to revisit this. See it now BST?
Don’t often agree with you Gaz but I’m with you on this.
Top marks for your memory too….
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Olowu needs a contract extension he is becoming a tremendous servant to this club
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I'll put decent money on Olowu never playing above the bottom end of L1.
I really do not get what people see in him. He's reasonably able, with a regular mistake in him.
If we stay in L2 his next move is likely to skip L1. I’m pretty much certain of that.
Possibly time to revisit this. See it now BST?
If you're going to go trawling, might make the effort to be up to do it right.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=292519.msg1348770#msg1348770
I've been saying for many months that Olowu has massively stepped up this calendar year. He's always had the physical attributes, those have never been in doubt. Something's changed in his mental resilience. Up until earlier this year, he'd been prone to simply switching off and forgetting the basics of defending. And he'd shown no sign of getting better at that in the 2.5 years he'd been with us. I absolutely stand by that evaluation from 15 months ago. If others are claiming they knew he was suddenly going to click into the very, very mentally resilient defender he's been since early 2024, then I'm happy to admit they have far more insight into the future than I will ever have.
And of course, shouldn't have to say, but you know what this place is like. I would be absolutely delighted if he ends up way higher than the bottom end of League 1.
Still. You got a like from Hound, so that's nice.
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Just the humble response I was expecting…..
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:lol:
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I'll put decent money on Olowu never playing above the bottom end of L1.
I really do not get what people see in him. He's reasonably able, with a regular mistake in him.
If we stay in L2 his next move is likely to skip L1. I’m pretty much certain of that.
Possibly time to revisit this. See it now BST?
If you're going to go trawling, might make the effort to be up to do it right.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=292519.msg1348770#msg1348770
I've been saying for many months that Olowu has massively stepped up this calendar year. He's always had the physical attributes, those have never been in doubt. Something's changed in his mental resilience. Up until earlier this year, he'd been prone to simply switching off and forgetting the basics of defending. And he'd shown no sign of getting better at that in the 2.5 years he'd been with us. I absolutely stand by that evaluation from 15 months ago. If others are claiming they knew he was suddenly going to click into the very, very mentally resilient defender he's been since early 2024, then I'm happy to admit they have far more insight into the future than I will ever have.
And of course, shouldn't have to say, but you know what this place is like. I would be absolutely delighted if he ends up way higher than the bottom end of League 1.
Still. You got a like from Hound, so that's nice.
The skill is in seeing top players when everyone else doesn’t. Everyone can see good players when they are playing well week in week out. Some see it in them when they are not and are proved right in the long run…
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I'll put decent money on Olowu never playing above the bottom end of L1.
I really do not get what people see in him. He's reasonably able, with a regular mistake in him.
If we stay in L2 his next move is likely to skip L1. I’m pretty much certain of that.
Possibly time to revisit this. See it now BST?
If you're going to go trawling, might make the effort to be up to do it right.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=292519.msg1348770#msg1348770
I've been saying for many months that Olowu has massively stepped up this calendar year. He's always had the physical attributes, those have never been in doubt. Something's changed in his mental resilience. Up until earlier this year, he'd been prone to simply switching off and forgetting the basics of defending. And he'd shown no sign of getting better at that in the 2.5 years he'd been with us. I absolutely stand by that evaluation from 15 months ago. If others are claiming they knew he was suddenly going to click into the very, very mentally resilient defender he's been since early 2024, then I'm happy to admit they have far more insight into the future than I will ever have.
And of course, shouldn't have to say, but you know what this place is like. I would be absolutely delighted if he ends up way higher than the bottom end of League 1.
Still. You got a like from Hound, so that's nice.
The skill is in seeing top players when everyone else doesn’t. Everyone can see good players when they are playing well week in week out. Some see it in them when they are not and are proved right in the long run…
Spot on!
A note for all the Bobby Faulkner ‘doubters’ me thinks.
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I'll put decent money on Olowu never playing above the bottom end of L1.
I really do not get what people see in him. He's reasonably able, with a regular mistake in him.
If we stay in L2 his next move is likely to skip L1. I’m pretty much certain of that.
Possibly time to revisit this. See it now BST?
If you're going to go trawling, might make the effort to be up to do it right.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=292519.msg1348770#msg1348770
I've been saying for many months that Olowu has massively stepped up this calendar year. He's always had the physical attributes, those have never been in doubt. Something's changed in his mental resilience. Up until earlier this year, he'd been prone to simply switching off and forgetting the basics of defending. And he'd shown no sign of getting better at that in the 2.5 years he'd been with us. I absolutely stand by that evaluation from 15 months ago. If others are claiming they knew he was suddenly going to click into the very, very mentally resilient defender he's been since early 2024, then I'm happy to admit they have far more insight into the future than I will ever have.
And of course, shouldn't have to say, but you know what this place is like. I would be absolutely delighted if he ends up way higher than the bottom end of League 1.
Still. You got a like from Hound, so that's nice.
The skill is in seeing top players when everyone else doesn’t. Everyone can see good players when they are playing well week in week out. Some see it in them when they are not and are proved right in the long run…
As I say, if you saw that Olowu was on the verge of making this transition, as opposed to simply having undeveloped potential, then I'm genuinely impressed.
How's Harry Forrester doing these days?
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I’ve said it from day one, and been consistent with my opinion, Olowu is a class act, he’s matured and got better since then
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As much as I like Wood and Anderson (who's been a great servant to the club) our new CB pairing of Olowu & McGrath are the way forward for the club. Anderson is useful if we're playing 3 at the back , not sure about Wood in a back 3 but he's a great organizer and should imagine he will still have a part to play at some point in the season.
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That covering tackle from Olowu in second half was very high quality.
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BST Name me a centre back in any league in any team who never makes or has made a hash of things at times?
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Jesus
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BST Name me a centre back in any league in any team who never makes or has made a hash of things at times?
Jay Mcgrath
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Alan Hansen
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Terry Butcher
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BST Name me a centre back in any league in any team who never makes or has made a hash of things at times?
That wasn't my issue. All do, of course. The issue with Olowu was that, to me at least, he didn't seem to have the mentality of a strong defender. He would dive in when jockeying was required, not impose himself when he had the chance to, lose concentration and drift into poor positions, miss the movement of opponents.
He always had the physical attributes, and as a result was often able to rescue bad situations. But I simply thought his lack of defensive instinct and concentration were career-limiters.
He's an absolute joy to watch at the moment. I'm very glad to have been proved wrong in my earlier assessment that I didn't see the likelihood of those shortcomings improve.
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BST Name me a centre back in any league in any team who never makes or has made a hash of things at times?
Jesus
He’s a striker, have another go :lol:
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No. He's the Son of God - as you really ought to know.
BobG
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I’ve said it from day one, and been consistent with my opinion, Olowu is a class act, he’s matured and got better since then
You and me both, I've always rated him, he just needed a little more maturity.
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BST Name me a centre back in any league in any team who never makes or has made a hash of things at times?
Jesus
He’s a striker, have another go :lol:
Not so good on crosses though
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BST Name me a centre back in any league in any team who never makes or has made a hash of things at times?
Jay Mcgrath
He cost us the second goal at Harrogate with his ridiculous pass that wasn't on.
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No. He's the Son of God - as you really ought to know.
BobG
As far as I’m aware that one didn’t play centre half either ;)
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I find his only problem at the minute is his heading at times.Rather than using his forehead correctly he seems to be an inch or two too low so the trajectory of the ball leads to it going higher than it could and not as far forward. I’m sure that the coaches have seen this and are trying to rectify it.
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No Nick. He was neither a centre half nor a forward. But if you were to think a bit deeper you might see the relevance of suggesting the Son of God, he of the miracles you remember, as the one man capable of delivering what was requested.
BobG
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No. He's the Son of God - as you really ought to know.
BobG
As far as I’m aware that one didn’t play centre half either ;)
More of a midfield creator?
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I’ve said it from day one, and been consistent with my opinion, Olowu is a class act, he’s matured and got better since then
As much as you might not like me being in agreement with you, I’m in the same camp with regards rating Olowu highly and have done all along in his time with us.
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He is getting a good run in the team now and also has cut out the silly mishaps, he is finally showing why alot of people rated him from the start
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I’ve said it from day one, and been consistent with my opinion, Olowu is a class act, he’s matured and got better since then
You and me both, I've always rated him, he just needed a little more maturity.
Plus one
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I’ve said it from day one, and been consistent with my opinion, Olowu is a class act, he’s matured and got better since then
As much as you might not like me being in agreement with you, I’m in the same camp with regards rating Olowu highly and have done all along in his time with us.
On footballing issues I think you’ll find we agree on many things
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I’ve said it from day one, and been consistent with my opinion, Olowu is a class act, he’s matured and got better since then
As much as you might not like me being in agreement with you, I’m in the same camp with regards rating Olowu highly and have done all along in his time with us.
On footballing issues I think you’ll find we agree on many things
:thumbsup: My pal from Sheffield will think it is nice that I “liked” your post.
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He’s been class this season and finally got rid of the basic errors which were letting him down.
Prior to this season, he would have a lot of games where for 85 mins he would be a rolls Royce of a CB making everything look easy (especially against teams in higher leagues (Burton, Wigan Everton etc) but would also have a massive error in him, his pace got him out of a lot of trouble.
This season there’s only been 1 error I can remember and it was start of the 2nd half at a home game recently (think it was against Bromley) but apart from that he’s been a solid 7-8/10 every game.
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What does he have to do to score 9, or Heaven forbid, 10?
BobG
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Starting to feel resigned to losing him.
What a player, very good again on Saturday.
Colchester commentators raving about him.
He’s also appeared in a couple of Twitter accounts/journalists “team of the season”.
He is getting noticed.
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We'll lose him for nothing undoubtedly.
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I said he was too good for this level ages ago, when he was struggling and got roundly ridiculed. The fact that he plays centre half yet is our faster player by far is a bit of a giveaway. He’ll go on to better things unfortunately for us .
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I said he was too good for this level ages ago, when he was struggling and got roundly ridiculed. The fact that he plays centre half yet is our faster player by far is a bit of a giveaway. He’ll go on to better things unfortunately for us .
I have been consistently in your camp
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There's no point worrying about what we can't control. Many were getting anxious about Moly last January onwards but that worked out well. I'm sure the club will do their best with Joe too but it's not always in our hands is it. Who would blame him for keeping his options open until the summer.
Best thing we can do in the meantime is support the team, support Joe, sing his name, show the love and hope we achieve the promotion we all want together with his signature.
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He has come on with experience, and has racked up quite a few games now, has now a settled position he understands instead of like when he first came here being a fill in sometimes on the left sometimes central and on the right as well ,and having a must play out from the back by Schofield thrust on him in a team that was completely unsuited to the game he wanted to play.
All great experience even though we suffered at the time as supporters.
The club now has quite a few young players at that stage, looked after and given the opportunity they can develop like Olowu, and as a club we have been at this stage before a number of times and chucked the opportunity away, mainly changing the manager before the seeds they sowed came to fruition, or tempted with derogatory offers, those upping the pressure on our present management, and while in the top half of the table I don't understand why, need to look at a wider picture, how Olowu is developing, hope others with the same chance can also develop into decent players and ease off.
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Abit from the man himself if you can bypass all the adverts
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-man-breaks-silence-on-contract-situation-and-reveals-pep-guardiola-homework-4926779