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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on August 12, 2023, 06:22:29 pm
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A bad day at the office two league games in is embarrassing really. I could understand it if they'd not had all summer together.
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At least he is honest and doesn’t sugar coat it. He will sort it out and I think the players will realise. Bad day. It’s gone now move on
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Not an ideal situation but it's just one more game, so much more to play for, this team will take time, don't understand the absolute morons on here who are kicking off so much, probably the same mongs who spent there own money on the embarrassment of banners and flags last season which just showed their absolute levels in society. Yes a bad result, GM has said its not good enough, we go again Tuesday night. I'm sure we all have bad days at work and days we wish could be dissolved from memory and I'm sure the players will be feeling the same tonight but let's get back behind them in the massive upcoming derby on Tuesday evening and I'm sure the effort and application will be there. One or two results do not define a season.
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A bad day at the office two league games in is embarrassing really. I could understand it if they'd not had all summer together.
Your comment is embarrassing, 2 league games dude, 2 league games.
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My comment is embarrassing, really.
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A bad day at the office two league games in is embarrassing really. I could understand it if they'd not had all summer together.
Your comment is embarrassing, 2 league games dude, 2 league games.
Some longer term perspective is, of course, needed. However, it's really hard to express just how bad today was.
We need a performance on Tuesday.
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A bad day at the office two league games in is embarrassing really. I could understand it if they'd not had all summer together.
Your comment is embarrassing, 2 league games dude, 2 league games.
It seems quite possible that embarrassment is a sentiment shared by GM
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My comment is embarrassing, really.
I didn't quote you.
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A bad day at the office two league games in is embarrassing really. I could understand it if they'd not had all summer together.
Your comment is embarrassing, 2 league games dude, 2 league games.
It seems quite possible that embarrassment is a sentiment shared by GM
I don't think he said he was embarrassed.
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It's definitely going to take time to gel. Anyone who thinks otherwise may also be right.
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GM is an honest man, he knew they didn't produce the goods today, and is not afraid to say so. I suspect one or two players will certainly know what he thinks of them after that match, hopefully they will go away and do something about it, I wonder how many we will be getting rid of as of the Xmas window.
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Ok nudga. I apologise. Like a few on here, just trying to put things in perspective. We could lose on tuesday and go on a massive unbeaten run. We could win Tuesday and lose the one after. My opinion is GM will make sure the players are aware of the poor performance today. Just goes to show, one good result doesn’t mean the players are guaranteed a place
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Get a gri
A bad day at the office two league games in is embarrassing really. I could understand it if they'd not had all summer together.
Get a grip
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Who’s the get a grip aimed at ?
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I thought McCann came across quite well. Explained why things turned out the way they did and took responsibility for it. Says won't accept any less than 6pts in next two games.
He is a top manager who has shown his worth at this club previously.
The board hired two unknown quantities in McSheffrey and Schofield, which I think enabled the board to shield themselves from some of the blame when results didn't go our way. i.e, "we tried to give some young managers a chance, it didn't work out, and they're to blame for the bad results."
Reality is the board have underfunded the team for too many seasons now. Ironically since McCann was here the last time.
There's nowhere to hide for the board now in my opinion. But I can see them sacking McCann and blaming the manager again if things do go ary.
I'm hopeful McCann can turn things around. I'll certainly not be blaming him though if he can't. That blame lies squarely with the board.
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A bad day at the office two league games in is embarrassing really. I could understand it if they'd not had all summer together.
Your comment is embarrassing, 2 league games dude, 2 league games.
Professional footballers on thousands a week, dude
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It’s quite a bold thing to say I expect nothing less than 6 points in the next two games.
I hope people take this with a pinch of salt, this was a statement that came from shock, frustration and embarrassment.
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DS, what do you blame a burnt dinner on, the bloody oven? The board and owner have done nothing but pump money into the team for the last three months, Grant had players lined up and got them early, how is it the boards fault we have under performed in the first two league games? please explain your thinking.
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Well said Selby
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I thought McCann came across quite well. Explained why things turned out the way they did and took responsibility for it. Says won't accept any less than 6pts in next two games.
He is a top manager who has shown his worth at this club previously.
The board hired two unknown quantities in McSheffrey and Schofield, which I think enabled the board to shield themselves from some of the blame when results didn't go our way. i.e, "we tried to give some young managers a chance, it didn't work out, and they're to blame for the bad results."
Reality is the board have underfunded the team for too many seasons now. Ironically since McCann was here the last time.
There's nowhere to hide for the board now in my opinion. But I can see them sacking McCann and blaming the manager again if things do go ary.
I'm hopeful McCann can turn things around. I'll certainly not be blaming him though if he can't. That blame lies squarely with the board.
I agree there hasn’t been the required investment since Moore left, (do you honestly believe the players he brought in on loan were cheap). This has been realised and steps have been put in, McCann won’t be sacked unless you and your little Netto buddies spit your dummies out and start asking for it.
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DS, what do you blame a burnt dinner on, the bloody oven? The board and owner have done nothing but pump money into the team for the last three months, Grant had players lined up and got them early, how is it the boards fault we have under performed in the first two league games? please explain your thinking.
If the board supplied me with a crap oven that no matter how much I messed with the programs on it, it burnt my dinner - than yes.
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A bad day at the office two league games in is embarrassing really. I could understand it if they'd not had all summer together.
Your comment is embarrassing, 2 league games dude, 2 league games.
No your comments embarrassing.
Not sure how you can defend that
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A bad day at the office two league games in is embarrassing really. I could understand it if they'd not had all summer together.
Your comment is embarrassing, 2 league games dude, 2 league games.
Professional footballers on thousands a week, dude
Professional footballers on thousands a week playing against other Professional footballers on thousands a week. So at times the result might not be good enough.
Not embarrassing after 2 games. These players beat a championship side only 4 days ago.
What is embarrassing is comment's from fans like you who can't wait to jump on the players backs
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I thought McCann came across quite well. Explained why things turned out the way they did and took responsibility for it. Says won't accept any less than 6pts in next two games.
He is a top manager who has shown his worth at this club previously.
The board hired two unknown quantities in McSheffrey and Schofield, which I think enabled the board to shield themselves from some of the blame when results didn't go our way. i.e, "we tried to give some young managers a chance, it didn't work out, and they're to blame for the bad results."
Reality is the board have underfunded the team for too many seasons now. Ironically since McCann was here the last time.
There's nowhere to hide for the board now in my opinion. But I can see them sacking McCann and blaming the manager again if things do go ary.
I'm hopeful McCann can turn things around. I'll certainly not be blaming him though if he can't. That blame lies squarely with the board.
I agree there hasn’t been the required investment since Moore left, (do you honestly believe the players he brought in on loan were cheap). This has been realised and steps have been put in, McCann won’t be sacked unless you and your little Netto buddies spit your dummies out and start asking for it.
Well I certainly won't be asking for McCann's head on a platter! He's a top manager. But I'm sure certain parts of our fanbase will blame him if things don't improve and the board will gladly sack him. We then repeat the cycle again.
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DS, what do you blame a burnt dinner on, the bloody oven? The board and owner have done nothing but pump money into the team for the last three months, Grant had players lined up and got them early, how is it the boards fault we have under performed in the first two league games? please explain your thinking.
If the board supplied me with a crap oven that no matter how much I messed with the programs on it, it burnt my dinner - than yes.
But what if the board gave you the funds to buy the oven?
Grant mcann selected these players and asked the board to sign the cheques, which they did, so technically the board should be asking grant the questions.
Or are you saying that these players were the boards choice and grant had no say?
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A bad day at the office two league games in is embarrassing really. I could understand it if they'd not had all summer together.
Your comment is embarrassing, 2 league games dude, 2 league games.
Professional footballers on thousands a week, dude
In that case, why do teams get relegated from the PL when every single one of those players are on tens of thousands of pounds?
There are loads of variables in football. Ours is a total lack of continuity for four years and squad/managerial upheavals and lack of investment in the last two seasons.
GM doesn't have a magic wand. He has brought in some decent players but they've got to get used to his system and also gel as a team.
We got a glimpse of that against Hull.i was hoping that result would give this team confidence to go to Newport and get a result.
It didn't happen but that doesn't mean we are going to be in the shit all season.
This team needs our support, especially on Tuesday and hopefully we can play our part again and spur the lads on.
The last thing we need now is a repeat of the boo boys from last season.
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DS, what do you blame a burnt dinner on, the bloody oven? The board and owner have done nothing but pump money into the team for the last three months, Grant had players lined up and got them early, how is it the boards fault we have under performed in the first two league games? please explain your thinking.
If the board supplied me with a crap oven that no matter how much I messed with the programs on it, it burnt my dinner - than yes.
But what if the board gave you the funds to buy the oven?
Grant mcann selected these players and asked the board to sign the cheques, which they did, so technically the board should be asking grant the questions.
Or are you saying that these players were the boards choice and grant had no say?
I'm saying Grant could only buy his oven from a scrapyard with not much money to play with. Was hardly going to get a Miele :lol:
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A bad day at the office two league games in is embarrassing really. I could understand it if they'd not had all summer together.
Your comment is embarrassing, 2 league games dude, 2 league games.
No your comments embarrassing.
Not sure how you can defend that
How so? Because I haven't stamped my feet after a bad result.
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DS, what do you blame a burnt dinner on, the bloody oven? The board and owner have done nothing but pump money into the team for the last three months, Grant had players lined up and got them early, how is it the boards fault we have under performed in the first two league games? please explain your thinking.
If the board supplied me with a crap oven that no matter how much I messed with the programs on it, it burnt my dinner - than yes.
But what if the board gave you the funds to buy the oven?
Grant mcann selected these players and asked the board to sign the cheques, which they did, so technically the board should be asking grant the questions.
Or are you saying that these players were the boards choice and grant had no say?
I'm saying Grant could only buy his oven from a scrapyard with not much money to play with. Was hardly going to get a Miele :lol:
We are league 2 side with anattendance less than 6.5k a week, what sort of funds do you really f*****g expect. Somebody who is on 22k a year would not look at a mortgage on a 500k house unless they want to go bankrupt in 12 months.
And the funds grant would of got would of been more than enough for what league 2 is required. If he wasn't given enough then he would not have moved so damn quick to get those players in and instead like previous years, would of been waiting for the free agents who can't get a day job in poundland.
And to add that we was the envy of many opposition fans during our transfer window, with many pundits claiming we have done the best deals so far
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I thought the question about fitness was interesting? “the players are fit” said Grant. I thought they were off the pace against Harrogate tbh. Although it boils my piss that the players possibly aren’t fit. It is something they can look at and work on.
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If you want perspectivenunder Sean O'Driscoll we got a real pounding at Scunthorpe and then turned it round and kicked on.
I never expected much more than it taking time to gel. If we're shite come October/November I'll be worried.
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It really irks me when people come on with off the cuff remarks about their own team right at the start of a new season.
Everyone who supports this club knows the background and knows what the club and very much the fans have had to endure for the last three years.
This is not something that can be corrected overnight like the hands on a stopped clock, its going to take time for this group of players to gel together, remember we still have the nucleolus of a team that could not win a game for love or money.
GM needs to be given time to find the right formula from the squad he has, only then can the questions really be asked, after two games into a 46 game season it's ridiculous.
Im sure he's aware that this squad need to start a match on the front foot and need to match the intensity of the opposition, if we don't do that then we cant compete, im sure this will be forming a large part of his match debrief when they are back in.
Nobody needs to flap or lose their head, just give him time to work with the squad, the message will be rammed home soon enough.
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Just a reminder this is league two football. These players will not be on thousands a week. Many of the rovers players will be paid a lot less than you might expect
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There's nowhere to hide for the board now in my opinion. But I can see them sacking McCann and blaming the manager again if things do go ary.
I'm hopeful McCann can turn things around. I'll certainly not be blaming him though if he can't. That blame lies squarely with the board.
What on earth are you talking about?
Just have a think about those words above and ask yourself if they make any sense.
And it’s “awry”.
Get a grip.
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There's nowhere to hide for the board now in my opinion. But I can see them sacking McCann and blaming the manager again if things do go ary.
I'm hopeful McCann can turn things around. I'll certainly not be blaming him though if he can't. That blame lies squarely with the board.
What on earth are you talking about?
Just have a think about those words above and ask yourself if they make any sense.
And it’s “awry”.
Get a grip.
You disagree. Fair enough. Apologies for the misspelling. I've certainly been put in my place now. Also glad to see pedantry is still alive and well on the message board.
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We started with 6 new players and subbed 3 new players on.
This team is weeks old.
It will come.
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I thought McCann came across quite well. Explained why things turned out the way they did and took responsibility for it. Says won't accept any less than 6pts in next two games.
He is a top manager who has shown his worth at this club previously.
The board hired two unknown quantities in McSheffrey and Schofield, which I think enabled the board to shield themselves from some of the blame when results didn't go our way. i.e, "we tried to give some young managers a chance, it didn't work out, and they're to blame for the bad results."
Reality is the board have underfunded the team for too many seasons now. Ironically since McCann was here the last time.
There's nowhere to hide for the board now in my opinion. But I can see them sacking McCann and blaming the manager again if things do go ary.
I'm hopeful McCann can turn things around. I'll certainly not be blaming him though if he can't. That blame lies squarely with the board.
I agree there hasn’t been the required investment since Moore left, (do you honestly believe the players he brought in on loan were cheap). This has been realised and steps have been put in, McCann won’t be sacked unless you and your little Netto buddies spit your dummies out and start asking for it.
Well I certainly won't be asking for McCann's head on a platter! He's a top manager. But I'm sure certain parts of our fanbase will blame him if things don't improve and the board will gladly sack him. We then repeat the cycle again.
Nobody should be blaming anybody yet, and no right minded people are.
Just you it seems
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I'm looking forward to Tuesday night because I fully expect a reaction after yesterday. GM comes across the kind of manager that will have absolutely laid into them after that yesterday so I expect a big reaction.
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Not sure what to think of Grant publicly wanting 6 points. He will look a bit silly if we lose them both.
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Not sure what to think of Grant publicly wanting 6 points. He will look a bit silly if we lose them both.
He’s set his expectation in those two games it will be hard let’s see what we can achieve.
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I thought McCann came across quite well. Explained why things turned out the way they did and took responsibility for it. Says won't accept any less than 6pts in next two games.
He is a top manager who has shown his worth at this club previously.
The board hired two unknown quantities in McSheffrey and Schofield, which I think enabled the board to shield themselves from some of the blame when results didn't go our way. i.e, "we tried to give some young managers a chance, it didn't work out, and they're to blame for the bad results."
Reality is the board have underfunded the team for too many seasons now. Ironically since McCann was here the last time.
There's nowhere to hide for the board now in my opinion. But I can see them sacking McCann and blaming the manager again if things do go ary.
I'm hopeful McCann can turn things around. I'll certainly not be blaming him though if he can't. That blame lies squarely with the board.
I agree there hasn’t been the required investment since Moore left, (do you honestly believe the players he brought in on loan were cheap). This has been realised and steps have been put in, McCann won’t be sacked unless you and your little Netto buddies spit your dummies out and start asking for it.
Well I certainly won't be asking for McCann's head on a platter! He's a top manager. But I'm sure certain parts of our fanbase will blame him if things don't improve and the board will gladly sack him. We then repeat the cycle again.
Nobody should be blaming anybody yet, and no right minded people are.
Just you it seems
I dont believe the board has ever gladly sacked anyone.
If anything it is exactly the opposite - they show extreme loyalty to the people they appoint - probably for longer than they should.
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Not sure what to think of Grant publicly wanting 6 points. He will look a bit silly if we lose them both.
I’d say he should publicly want 3 points from every game or he’d look silly.
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There's nowhere to hide for the board now in my opinion. But I can see them sacking McCann and blaming the manager again if things do go ary.
I'm hopeful McCann can turn things around. I'll certainly not be blaming him though if he can't. That blame lies squarely with the board.
What on earth are you talking about?
Just have a think about those words above and ask yourself if they make any sense.
And it’s “awry”.
Get a grip.
You disagree. Fair enough. Apologies for the misspelling. I've certainly been put in my place now. Also glad to see pedantry is still alive and well on the message board.
We love a bit of pedantry.
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It happens sadly. Learning and improving afterwards is the important aspect. In his last spell with us he had an appalling record against mid-table Fleetwood Town, who beat us 3-0 and 4-0 that season. 12pc of all their league goals came against us. Different seasons but losing against so-called lesser clubs is not end of the world. Although if they don’t learn from these experiences, it is poor.
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Let's wait until we have played 10 games :scarf:
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Whilst I agree the last two league game results have been disappointing. It is still only two league games into a very long season and I for one have every faith and confidence that GM and his management team will get things right and Donny will rise up the table. It still might take a few more games for things to click into place, it sometimes takes between 5-10 games for things to settle down and the players to gel.
Pre season is all about fitness and minutes, sometimes it takes those first few games of a domestic season for a side to sort things out!
GM & CB will be feeling worse than anyone and will be 2000% focused in getting things sorted!
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Whilst I agree the last two league game results have been disappointing. It is still only two league games into a very long season and I for one have every faith and confidence that GM & his team will get things right and Donny will rise up the table. It still might take a few more games for things to click into place, it sometimes takes between 5-10 games for things to settle down and the players to gel.
Pre season is all about fitness and minutes, sometimes it takes those first fee games of a domestic season for a side to sort things out!
GM & CB will be feeling worse than anyone and will be 2000% focused in getting things sorted!
Your lad would help ;)