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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: TonySoprano on August 19, 2023, 05:07:52 pm
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Thought this season would be different, but what we have seen so far suggests otherwise.
Can mcann turn it round?
Are the players he signed just rubbish?
Do we have a curse on us ?
Is there something in the water at the training ground?
Maybe we need to start talking about the national league.
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It's a very disappointing start for sure, not only results but performances are terrible.
GM will turn it around.
I'm not sure if the teams we have played are all good at knocking the ball about or we just give them the space.
Keep behind them, we will get out of this!
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Still time it’s a very poor league, 46 goals scored in L2 today, is it because of some good stikers or some poor defences ?
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McCann will turn it around eventually given time, but having witnessed his side's performances this season, who's to say, Wellens, McSheffrey and Schofield wouldn't have done so had they been given similar financial backing, and time?
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Another manager employed by Doncaster Rovers based on sentiment.
Looking forward to seeing what Dave Penney can do in 2024.
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We might stop being so shit if we stopped playing shit players. 3 managers in a row have now continued to play Molyneux and he is absolutely garbage
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Another manager employed by Doncaster Rovers based on sentiment.
Looking forward to seeing what Dave Penney can do in 2024.
McCann is far better than sentiment and you know it. Cut the hyperbole.
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Midfield recruitment not quite right for me. The 2 new Harrogate midfielders bossed us the first time they played together. Time not an excuse now.
Bailey decent battler and legs but can’t pass.
Broadbent needed coaching through the game when he came on and panics on the ball.
Westbrooke anonymous.
Biggins can’t control a game, nor can Rowe.
Never thought I’d say this but we really need Ben Close! Only he has anything remotely resembling composure on the ball in midfield!
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I am sick of it too. McCann is a good manager and I’m happy we’ve got him but there’s just a thing at the moment where everything the club touches turns to shite.
We’ve signed some players that I reckon most L2 clubs would be well happy with and would be good for them. Yet because it’s DRFC they’re rubbish.
Unless I’ve just been too naive in believing we’ve got half decent players
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We might stop being so shit if we stopped playing shit players. 3 managers in a row have now continued to play Molyneux and he is absolutely garbage
Have to agree, he brings nothing & I've no idea how he keeps getting picked.
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Lawlor back to his worst.
Olowu a walking mistake
Wood has turned to stone
Midfield not even Conference standard. Why did we re-sign Westbrooke? Appalling.
Roberts poor
Ironside no service
Molyneux? Did he play?
Manager obsessed with 4-3-3 and heasn’t the players to fit into it.
Other than that……..
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Lawlor back to his worst.
Olowu a walking mistake
Wood has turned to stone
Midfield not even Conference standard. Why did we re-sign Westbrooke? Appalling.
Roberts poor
Ironside no service
Molyneux? Did he play?
Manager obsessed with 4-3-3 and heasn’t the players to fit into it.
Other than that……..
What formation should GM play then Alan?
If the midfielders are not good enough the formation isn’t going to make a jot of difference.
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I dread to think of how many goals Everton reserves will put past us.
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3-5-2 with Ironside and Faal up top. Close could change things in midfield. Push Nixon up the pitch he’s a good player. A defender either side of Anderson / Wood protects the lack of pace from them.
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The point at which we became a really good side in the past was when we signed Richie Wellens to partner Brian Stock. You need a good strong midfield, able to control and feed forwards, and protect your defence when needed. if ever we needed to pay decent money out to get that it was this close season, and the money wasn't spent or it wasn't available.
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Another manager employed by Doncaster Rovers based on sentiment.
Looking forward to seeing what Dave Penney can do in 2024.
Shut up you muppet
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Have to agree with ncRover about the midfield. This has been a real problem for us since Moore left.
Recruitment has been consistently poor in this area for 5 transfer windows now. Ironically, McSheffrey got closest to something half decent with the recruitment of Tomlin and Clayton but, unfortunately, both were past it.
McCann is pinning his hopes on Broadbent and Bailey coming good. That will take time, this season at least, if at all. Remember that it took Whiteman a couple of seasons to properly develop with us.
The problem is that they’re in at the deep end with no one to guide them through. If we’re not getting anywhere by the end of November then I think GM will have to look at a serious recruit or two in that area.
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3-5-2 with Ironside and Faal up top. Close could change things in midfield. Push Nixon up the pitch he’s a good player. A defender either side of Anderson / Wood protects the lack of pace from them.
I think that 3-5-2 is the answer.
With 4-3-3 we seem to have two of the three forward players who play wide and aren’t willing to help the midfield when we don’t have the ball.
With 3-5-2 you have 2 wing backs who operate as defenders when we don’t have the ball and wide midfielders when we do have it. We also get two strikers who can play close to each other and be available for crosses into the box from the two wing backs.
BBC Sport said that we played 4-2-3-1 today but it looked more like 4-3-3, which for me is an ineffective system with the players that we have.
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Here's the issue.
With the midfielders we have, we could play them all and have a 4-7-3 formation. If none of the f**kers breaks a sweat in trying to close down the opposition midfield, we'd still get f**ked.
Last season, I thought we had THE most gutless, unaggressive midfield it was possible for a professional club to turn out. But we've signed players who put in even less of a shift, and the ones we already had look even worse.
It was crying out as a major problem from the first 5 minutes of the Harrogate game.
If we don't address that, we are in serious danger of this season turning into a catastrophe.
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Another manager employed by Doncaster Rovers based on sentiment.
Looking forward to seeing what Dave Penney can do in 2024.
Shut up you muppet
If you can't agree with someone else or see their point of view, just call them names. Very intelligent of you.
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I think Bailey has looked ok. The others terrible. Rowe has gone as a centre mid, he’s always been poor on the ball but he’s a couple of yards off it physically now as well it seems. I’d consider him at fullback potentially.
There is always a huge void between the midfield and attack because everyone is too deep. We need to be brave enough the push right up and condense the play more. Obvious to see but difficult to get a 50 year old Wood to be matching up past the half way line.
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Here's the issue.
With the midfielders we have, we could play them all and have a 4-7-3 formation. If none of the f**kers breaks a sweat in trying to close down the opposition midfield, we'd still get f**ked.
Last season, I thought we had THE most gutless, unaggressive midfield it was possible for a professional club to turn out. But we've signed players who put in even less of a shift, and the ones we already had look even worse.
It was crying out as a major problem from the first 5 minutes of the Harrogate game.
If we don't address that, we are in serious danger of this season turning into a catastrophe.
Exactly this.
Was the case throughout today's game.
See the first and third goals as prime examples.
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That all sounds very complicated, how’s this for an idea?
Learn How To Defend A Cross.
End of
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Midfield recruitment not quite right for me. The 2 new Harrogate midfielders bossed us the first time they played together. Time not an excuse now.
Bailey decent battler and legs but can’t pass.
Broadbent needed coaching through the game when he came on and panics on the ball.
Westbrooke anonymous.
Biggins can’t control a game, nor can Rowe.
Never thought I’d say this but we really need Ben Close! Only he has anything remotely resembling composure on the ball in midfield!
If you think Close is the answer we are well f**ked
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Thought this season would be different, but what we have seen so far suggests otherwise.
Can mcann turn it round?
Are the players he signed just rubbish?
Do we have a curse on us ?
Is there something in the water at the training ground?
Maybe we need to start talking about the national league.
Funny that. I mentioned the same to my son “is it a curse ? the last three managers can’t all be wrong”.
If ever there’s a man to rectify things it’s McCann.
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Midfield recruitment not quite right for me. The 2 new Harrogate midfielders bossed us the first time they played together. Time not an excuse now.
Bailey decent battler and legs but can’t pass.
Broadbent needed coaching through the game when he came on and panics on the ball.
Westbrooke anonymous.
Biggins can’t control a game, nor can Rowe.
Never thought I’d say this but we really need Ben Close! Only he has anything remotely resembling composure on the ball in midfield!
If you think Close is the answer we are well f**ked
Hahahaha thought the same, been a huge disappointment and that’s being polite. Hopefully on his way to Havant and Waterlooville, back near Portsmouth, cos one things for sure he ain’t happy here.
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3-5-2 with Ironside and Faal up top. Close could change things in midfield. Push Nixon up the pitch he’s a good player. A defender either side of Anderson / Wood protects the lack of pace from them.
You don’t need pace if you think. Remember Jack Charlton, Bobby Moore and Tony Adams
they never broke sweat.
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Another manager employed by Doncaster Rovers based on sentiment.
Looking forward to seeing what Dave Penney can do in 2024.
Shut up you muppet
If you can't agree with someone else or see their point of view, just call them names. Very intelligent of you.
Employing mcCann had nothing to do with sentiment, and anyone who suggests it was is clueless
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I don’t know what the answer is but we’re just so open!
Until we stop leaking simple goals it’s going to be a tough watch.
I’d take us grinding out a few 0-0’s at this point just to give us some stability.
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One of the problems imho is signing players that we had lined up.for the previous manager like Wood who played in a 3 at Rotherham in the Championship last year but looks all at sea in a McCamn 4 at the back.. if we were changing manager, why the feck sign him.. to me it smacks of lazy recruitment and hate to say it but Copps was part of that and of course the non existent lazy useless Blunt overseen the full mess..
We have a manager who plays 4-3-3.. a 38 year old Wood can't clearly play in a 4 and it's a mess as the club captain and leader is slow as feck and one of the worst performers.
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One of the problems imho is signing players that we had lined up.for the previous manager like Wood who played in a 3 at Rotherham in the Championship last year but looks all at sea in a McCamn 4 at the back.. if we were changing manager, why the feck sign him.. to me it smacks of lazy recruitment and hate to say it but Copps was part of that and of course the non existent lazy useless Blunt overseen the full mess..
We have a manager who plays 4-3-3.. a 38 year old Wood can't clearly play in a 4 and it's a mess as the club captain and leader is slow as feck and one of the worst
performers.
McCann said in an interview when he joined that he has the final say on all transfers.
He even elaborated that it’s because he will be the one getting the stick on the touch line if they don’t work out.
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Thinking back, we haven’t actually been any good since that early 2021 run of games under Moore, before he lost interest and then became shit. Sunderland away being I think a line in the sand not only for that season but for the club - we’ve been terrible pretty much every game since then and there are few teams we have absolutely dominated. Perhaps that Grimsby away game under Schofield. Grant will get it right but it’s probably going to be 3 full years of being shit until he really gets us going later this year or early next year. That’s pretty shit.
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One of the problems imho is signing players that we had lined up.for the previous manager like Wood who played in a 3 at Rotherham in the Championship last year but looks all at sea in a McCamn 4 at the back.. if we were changing manager, why the feck sign him.. to me it smacks of lazy recruitment and hate to say it but Copps was part of that and of course the non existent lazy useless Blunt overseen the full mess..
We have a manager who plays 4-3-3.. a 38 year old Wood can't clearly play in a 4 and it's a mess as the club captain and leader is slow as feck and one of the worst
performers.
McCann said in an interview when he joined that he has the final say on all transfers.
He even elaborated that it’s because he will be the one getting the stick on the touch line if they don’t work out.
Yes he did but if you believe every single word coming out of a Club you live in cloud cuckoo land. He may have approved it but Wood was lined up under schofield.. you only have to trawl back to rumours of Wood in April signing.. before McCann came back.. fact is Wood looks like he is all at sea in a 4.. Bailey is another I would say was already lined up and Sterry before the end of last season.. we played the second half like a preseason friendly so recruitment is one problem, coasting players another.. Rowe has shot it as a centre midfielder too.
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One of the problems imho is signing players that we had lined up.for the previous manager like Wood who played in a 3 at Rotherham in the Championship last year but looks all at sea in a McCamn 4 at the back.. if we were changing manager, why the feck sign him.. to me it smacks of lazy recruitment and hate to say it but Copps was part of that and of course the non existent lazy useless Blunt overseen the full mess..
We have a manager who plays 4-3-3.. a 38 year old Wood can't clearly play in a 4 and it's a mess as the club captain and leader is slow as feck and one of the worst
performers.
McCann said in an interview when he joined that he has the final say on all transfers.
He even elaborated that it’s because he will be the one getting the stick on the touch line if they don’t work out.
Yes he did but if you believe every single word coming out of a Club you live in cloud cuckoo land. He may have approved it but Wood was lined up under schofield.. you only have to trawl back to rumours of Wood in April signing.. before McCann came back.. fact is Wood looks like he is all at sea in a 4.. Bailey is another I would say was already lined up and Sterry before the end of last season.. we played the second half like a preseason friendly so recruitment is one problem, coasting players another.. Rowe has shot it as a centre midfielder too.
I’m not denying Wood was lined up before. I’m saying McCann confirmed he approved it.
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Nobody will have signed this summer without mcCann having the final say. He’s not the kind of bloke who would allow that to happen
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Another manager employed by Doncaster Rovers based on sentiment.
Looking forward to seeing what Dave Penney can do in 2024.
Shut up you muppet
If you can't agree with someone else or see their point of view, just call them names. Very intelligent of you.
Employing mcCann had nothing to do with sentiment, and anyone who suggests it was is clueless
Cheers for the Muppet comment - made my Sunday.
Was he even interviewed this time round, or was he just given it because he said he was keeping an eye on our results and where we end up at the end of the season? Very clever man.
Remember when he was called a snake by the Rovers faithful? Soon changed their tune in their glasshouses.
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3-5-2 with Ironside and Faal up top. Close could change things in midfield. Push Nixon up the pitch he’s a good player. A defender either side of Anderson / Wood protects the lack of pace from them.
I think that 3-5-2 is the answer.
With 4-3-3 we seem to have two of the three forward players who play wide and aren’t willing to help the midfield when we don’t have the ball.
With 3-5-2 you have 2 wing backs who operate as defenders when we don’t have the ball and wide midfielders when we do have it. We also get two strikers who can play close to each other and be available for crosses into the box from the two wing backs.
BBC Sport said that we played 4-2-3-1 today but it looked more like 4-3-3, which for me is an ineffective system with the players that we have.
Definitely was 4-2-3-1 with Rowe and Bailey in midfield and Westbrooke as #10.
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3-5-2 is the answer with the players we have. This would allow two up front and an extra central defender in the middle. Play a recognised full back on one side and a converted winger on the other.
I would be tempted to put Olowu in a holding midfield role. We would have a bit of solidity and hopefully good movement to rotate positions around Ironside, with Molyneux and Sotona around him.
Roberts giving natural width, Maxwell giving width and a bit of defensive ability. Rowe and Olowu giving that cover on the flanks at times and in front of the defence. Give Faulkner his chance with Wood central and Long at the other side. I think that would be a well balanced back three.
Lawlor
Faulkner Wood. Long
Rowe. Olowu
Roberts. Maxwell
Molyneux
Ironside. Sotona
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Bailey has been our best midfielder so we swap him for Olowu who’s been our worst defender.
Going 3 at the back does nothing for our midfield troubles unless we go 3 central midfielders. It’ll be even easier to walk through in a 343 imo. Only way I can see a 3 abd the back working is 352.
Olowu /Faulkner Wood Senior
Nixon Biggins Bailey Broadbent Maxwell
Faal Ironside
If they are all fit that is
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Bailey has been our best midfielder so we swap him for Olowu who’s been our worst defender.
Going 3 at the back does nothing for our midfield troubles unless we go 3 central midfielders. It’ll be even easier to walk through in a 343 imo. Only way I can see a 3 abd the back working is 352.
Olowu /Faulkner Wood Senior
Nixon Biggins Bailey Broadbent Maxwell
Faal Ironside
If they are all fit that is
Bailey is an option instead of Rowe, who to be fair hasn’t played well so far. Olowu would give us a bit of size in there, he isn’t a hot head that will get booked stupidly, good tackler, decent on the ball. Just tell him to give it to our ball players after breaking up the play.
I would like to see Faulkner get his opportunity, the others haven’t done much, he deserves his chance. Long on the left of a back three.
The side you’ve picked is also a good side. Our main problem is getting enough players, playing well in each game.
To win games in my opinion, you need six or seven of your side at least playing average, with one or two being the match winners. We aren’t getting that at the minute. I think we are much better than last season, but the results aren’t showing that.
We were devoid of any confidence to win a game last season. That’s why we can’t afford losing to go on too long, in football confidence is a massive thing.
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Bailey has been our best midfielder so we swap him for Olowu who’s been our worst defender.
Going 3 at the back does nothing for our midfield troubles unless we go 3 central midfielders. It’ll be even easier to walk through in a 343 imo. Only way I can see a 3 abd the back working is 352.
Olowu /Faulkner Wood Senior
Nixon Biggins Bailey Broadbent Maxwell
Faal Ironside
If they are all fit that is
Bailey is an option instead of Rowe, who to be fair hasn’t played well so far. Olowu would give us a bit of size in there, he isn’t a hot head that will get booked stupidly, good tackler, decent on the ball. Just tell him to give it to our ball players after breaking up the play.
I would like to see Faulkner get his opportunity, the others haven’t done much, he deserves his chance. Long on the left of a back three.
The side you’ve picked is also a good side. Our main problem is getting enough players, playing well in each game.
To win games in my opinion, you need six or seven of your side at least playing average, with one or two being the match winners. We aren’t getting that at the minute. I think we are much better than last season, but the results aren’t showing that.
We were devoid of any confidence to win a game last season. That’s why we can’t afford losing to go on too long, in football confidence is a massive thing.
“Olowu would give us a bit of size in there” - so would Lawlor, but I doubt anyone would suggest sticking him in midfield
“He isn’t a hot head that would get booked stupidly” - he’s prone to making rash challenges (see Harrogate), in an unfamiliar position this is only going to be amplified
“Good tackler, decent on the ball” - not recently, but fair(ish) points
“Just tell him to give it to our ball players after breaking up the play” - who would they be in your team? There’s even less of a midfield than we are managing to play with at the moment!
Our midfield looks non-existent right now with 2 and a half players who mostly play there (Rowe the half given he’s been shunted around for years), I’ve no idea how anyone thinks it’ll be better by chucking players into roles that they are completely alien with.
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3-5-2 is the answer with the players we have. This would allow two up front and an extra central defender in the middle. Play a recognised full back on one side and a converted winger on the other.
I would be tempted to put Olowu in a holding midfield role. We would have a bit of solidity and hopefully good movement to rotate positions around Ironside, with Molyneux and Sotona around him.
Roberts giving natural width, Maxwell giving width and a bit of defensive ability. Rowe and Olowu giving that cover on the flanks at times and in front of the defence. Give Faulkner his chance with Wood central and Long at the other side. I think that would be a well balanced back three.
Lawlor
Faulkner Wood. Long
Rowe. Olowu
Roberts. Maxwell
Molyneux
Ironside. Sotona
this is truly awful
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Just popped in to have a look at the forum, still the same old problems. Now standing on the football league trapdoor.
I retired when the five year plan was seen as a scam. The board had little empathy for its managers or the supporters Sold my season ticket bought some fishing tackle. Haven't looked back. Best of luck to you all you will need it.
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You sold your season ticket?
How exactly did you do that?
Good to see you are enjoying fishing on a football forum now,it's a regular pastime for some.