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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Thorney on August 20, 2023, 01:50:51 pm

Title: Belles
Post by: Thorney on August 20, 2023, 01:50:51 pm
3 ex players just finished a world Cup final game.

1 was captain and 1 won goalkeeper of the tournament. Shame how belles fell down the ladder
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: ChrisBx on August 20, 2023, 01:51:54 pm
Shafted by The FA.
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: Filo on August 20, 2023, 01:54:30 pm
3 ex players just finished a world Cup final game.

1 was captain and 1 won goalkeeper of the tournament. Shame how belles fell down the ladder

They never fell down the ladder, the were shoved off it by the FA
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: Thorney on August 20, 2023, 02:07:37 pm
3 ex players just finished a world Cup final game.

1 was captain and 1 won goalkeeper of the tournament. Shame how belles fell down the ladder

They never fell down the ladder, the were shoved off it by the FA

That's how I was meant it to sound, by saying shame how they fell.
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Post by: roversdude on August 20, 2023, 02:56:36 pm
Will Belles get any money from this similar to Rovers getting money for Dieng and Smith playing in the men’s WC
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: Chris Black come back on August 20, 2023, 03:37:11 pm
Belles were absolutely robbed, as part of a conspiracy to keep us out of the top tier at expense of EPL sides, even when we deserved to be in there on merit. Like the Charlton play off semi and that joke August match at Valley that was called off. Authorities of the game who didn’t lift a finger in 97/98, connive to disadvantage us at every turn. I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy but join the dots and it basically is.
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: graingrover on August 20, 2023, 05:55:28 pm
The opening game of the new season FC United of Manchester 1 v Belles 7 ( yes seven).
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Post by: graingrover on August 20, 2023, 06:14:30 pm
First game .
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Post by: graingrover on August 21, 2023, 09:26:55 am
new kit too!
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: ravenrover on August 21, 2023, 12:06:21 pm
Belles were absolutely robbed, as part of a conspiracy to keep us out of the top tier at expense of EPL sides, even when we deserved to be in there on merit. Like the Charlton play off semi and that joke August match at Valley that was called off. Authorities of the game who didn’t lift a finger in 97/98, connive to disadvantage us at every turn. I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy but join the dots and it basically is.
You forgot Bolton
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Post by: GazLaz on August 21, 2023, 01:52:16 pm
Shit what happened to the Belles but even if it was left to sporting achievement, the same thing would have happened eventually. Impossible to compete with the big clubs financially.
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on August 21, 2023, 02:02:09 pm
Shit what happened to the Belles but even if it was left to sporting achievement, the same thing would have happened eventually. Impossible to compete with the big clubs financially.

If its a sport then let that be found out by results on the pitch.

Otherwise, why don't we just stop the whole process of promotion and relegation in men's football and assign teams to a division by wealth.

In fact, why bother playing matches to determine standing within a division?
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: eastender on August 21, 2023, 02:49:31 pm
3 ex players just finished a world Cup final game.

1 was captain and 1 won goalkeeper of the tournament. Shame how belles fell down the ladder

They never fell down the ladder, the were shoved off it by the FA
The FA didn't need to step in , they finished bottom of the league any way that season on merit.
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: GazLaz on August 21, 2023, 03:38:32 pm
The FA will feel justified regarding the way they’ve managed the women’s game. The national team have never been better.
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Post by: EasyforDennis on August 21, 2023, 04:45:49 pm
3 ex players just finished a world Cup final game.

1 was captain and 1 won goalkeeper of the tournament. Shame how belles fell down the ladder

They never fell down the ladder, the were shoved off it by the FA
The FA didn't need to step in , they finished bottom of the league any way that season on merit.

Yes but their fate had already been sealed earlier in the season.
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: silent majority on August 21, 2023, 04:48:11 pm
The FA will feel justified regarding the way they’ve managed the women’s game. The national team have never been better.

Exactly right.

The FA stated at the start of that process that financial health and good governance would be decisive factors on how the women's game progressed. The Belles ownership at the time was sadly lacking in both of those areas.
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: VivaRovers on August 21, 2023, 05:08:13 pm
The FA will feel justified regarding the way they’ve managed the women’s game. The national team have never been better.

Exactly right.

The FA stated at the start of that process that financial health and good governance would be decisive factors on how the women's game progressed. The Belles ownership at the time was sadly lacking in both of those areas.


The FA wanted a professional women's football top flight, with minimal effort, engagement and involvement on their part. So rather than support the teams that had carried the sport when the FA had made no effort to back it to make the steps to get to that, they instead opted for a model that leant heavily on the finance at the top of the men's game.

The Belles, like a lot of longstanding women's clubs were being run by enthusiastic amateurs. Those people deserved to get the support their endeavours deserved; not to be pushed aside the moment Manchester United et al could finally be arsed to take a commercial interest in the women's game.

It's great that women's football is getting the billing it now is in England, but the ways and methods through which it got there really stink and shouldn't be glossed over or forgotten just because England have seen success. Football is about much more than the success of the national team.
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: silent majority on August 21, 2023, 05:16:20 pm
The FA will feel justified regarding the way they’ve managed the women’s game. The national team have never been better.

Exactly right.

The FA stated at the start of that process that financial health and good governance would be decisive factors on how the women's game progressed. The Belles ownership at the time was sadly lacking in both of those areas.


The FA wanted a professional women's football top flight, with minimal effort, engagement and involvement on their part. So rather than support the teams that had carried the sport when the FA had made no effort to back it to make the steps to get to that, they instead opted for a model that leant heavily on the finance at the top of the men's game.

The Belles, like a lot of longstanding women's clubs were being run by enthusiastic amateurs. Those people deserved to get the support their endeavours deserved; not to be pushed aside the moment Manchester United et al could finally be arsed to take a commercial interest in the women's game.

It's great that women's football is getting the billing it now is in England, but the ways and methods through which it got there really stink and shouldn't be glossed over or forgotten just because England have seen success. Football is about much more than the success of the national team.

I'm not disagreeing with you VR, but the process was spelt out in advance and, rightly or wrongly, the justification is the success of the women's game, not just the national team. From that perspective the FA will consider that the 'franchise model' they adopted in order to catapult the women's game into the modern era was the right one.
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on August 21, 2023, 05:18:16 pm
A quick video summary.

https://youtu.be/BIFG0PLZLH4
Title: Re: Belles
Post by: graingrover on August 22, 2023, 07:30:19 am
An excellent video …thank you for sharing .