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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Iberian Red on August 21, 2023, 04:41:03 pm
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Let's see if we can have a thread without it being hijacked and have grenades lobbed at it.
Choose 3 albums you have in your collection(not spotify) from every decade you've been here.
They don't have to be favourites,just albums that mean something to you.
No repeating(Bowie could be in every decade for me)artists,every decade different.
It's tough,but give it a go.
1960s
Village Green..Kinks
Small Faces,Small Faces.
Iggy and the Stooges,1969
1970s
Tom Waits,Closing Time.
Patti Smith,Horses
The Clash,London calling.
1980s
Westworld,TOH.(or One Eyed Jacks/SOD)
Heaven Up Here,EATB.
The Fall,This Nations..
1990s
Blue Lines,Massive Attack.
Reverence,Faithless.
Weller,Stanley Road.
2000s
Nitin Sawhney,London Undersound. He's such an underrated, little heard of talent.
Jonny Cash ,The Legend (Americana).
Roots Manuva,Run,Come Save Me.
2010's
Tom Petty,Full Moon Fever(cheating there,re-release on vinyl).
DB,Blackstar.
Tricky,Mixed Race.
2020s
Not many to choose from here,
Dry Cleaning,New Long Leg.
Horace Andy,Midnight Rocker.
The Specials,Protest Songs.
Have a go.
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The scope of this is a bit wide.I'll have a go at three 70s albums, though it's very much in retrospect as I hadn't begun buying albums during the 70s as a little kid.
Krarftwerk Autobahn
Joy Division Unknown Pleasures
Marvin Gaye What's Goin On
This is the kind of thing that could be different every time I'm asked.
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Most of them will be retrospective,you just need them in your collection.
Mine have probably changed since I posted earlier,especially after you mentioned MG!
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1970's Dark Side Of The Moon
1980's The Stone Roses
1990's What's The Story Morning Glory
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This is quite tough. I follow a bloke on twitter (or whatever it's called now) who has been organising a poll where you pick 5 albums from each year - and that was difficult enough. But 3 from a decade, almost impossible. But here's a few from my collection:
1960's
Bob Dylan – Highway 61 Revisited
Van Morrison – Astral Weeks
King Crimson - In The Court of the Crimson King
1970's
Lindisfarne – Nicely Out Of Tune
Marvin Gaye – What’s Going On
Amazing Blondel – Fantasia Lindum
1980's
Jethro Tull – Broadsword and the Beast
Yes – 90125
John Martyn - Grace & Danger
1990's
Peter Gabriel – Us
Roger Waters – Amused to Death
Neil Young – Harvest Moon
2000's
Camel – A Nod and a Wink
Rush – Snakes & Arrows
Half Man Half Biscuit – Cammell Laird Social Club
2010's
Roy Harper – Man & Myth
Tinariwen – Emaar
Revolutionary Army of the Infant Jesus – Beauty Will Save The World
2020's
Craven Faults – Standers
Rosalie Cunningham – Two Piece Puzzle
Birth – Born
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I thought 3 might make it easier than one!
Obviously not.
Good shout with John Martyn,I saw him in Sheffield in the 80si a marquee opposite the Frog and Parrot. He complained that not enough smoking was going on in the audience! May you Never is one of the greatest songs of all time.
Also Good shout with Tinariwen,saw them about 10 years ago.
As for Neil Young,God.
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Tough one this. But two for me are very very easy to call.
From the 80’s , the two seminal albums for me will always be Declaration by the Alarm and the Crossing by Big Country.
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The 80s is tough. For me it was the most creative period for music because technology was becoming affordable. The whole thing was opening up but it was also the era of the single and pop video... So picking albums is harder.
The 80s was when hiphop really began to emerge in the UK. Massive Attack Blue Lines is superb (edit 1990 so doesn't count) but I think I'll pick...
De La Soul 3 Feet High & Rising... today.
It was a concept album. They lost the bombast, black power stuff and went for pastel sportswear and Africa pendants. The daisy age chimed very well with the second summer of love too.
It was the era of British electronic pop. I've already picked Joy Division for the 70s so I won't pick New Order... Today.
Pet Shop Boys Actually
Purely electronic and more than a bunch of singles
It was also the era of British indie. I loved all the northern stuff. It's between Wedding Present George Best. (So Lo Fi - and still holds up well) or Happy Monday's Bummed. The Mondays were more innovative... So.
Happy Monday's Bummed
Pet Shop Boys Actually
De La Soul 3 Feet High & Rising
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Another good call,I've got all 3.
I remember opening Bummed and thinking I'd bought a jazz mag and stumbled on the overweight reader's wive's section.
One slight correction/question,blue lines was in 91 wasn't it?
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Nothing in the 70's in my collection born 71.
80's
GnR: appetite for destruction
House martins: London 0 hull 4
Eurasia: the innocence.
90's
Radiohead: the bends
Navara: smells like teen spirit
Mansun: attack of the green lanterns
00's
Artic monkeys: what ever people say.....
Amy Winehouse: back to black
10,s
James bay: chaos and the calm
20's
Snuts: burn the empire
Inhaler: cuts and bruises
Wet leg: wet leg (yes I know !! Love it though)
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Been trying to narrow this down all night but I've given up.
I've got 20 albums on my 1980s and 90s shortlists from Scottish bands alone.
Sulk: Associates
Empires & Dance, Sons & Fascination/Sister Feelings Call, New Gold Dream: Simple Minds
Psychocandy, Darklands, Barbed Wire Kisses: Jesus and Mary Chain
Treasure, Victorialand, Blue Bell Knoll, Heaven or Las Vegas: Cocteau Twins
Walk Across the Rooftops, Hats: Blue Nile
The Orange Juice, Texas Fever, Rip it Up: Orange Juice
High Land Hard Rain, Knife, Love: Aztec Camera
3 EPs: The Beta Band.
Screamadelica: Primal Scream
No chance of whittling them down. And that's before I think about New Order, Happy Mondays, Charlatans, Front 242, Laibach, Pixies, Frank Black, Dinosaur Jr, early UB40, The Beat, Cabaret Voltaire, Band of Holy Joy, Pulp, etc, etc.
Just impossible. Whatever I pick it'd be different tomorrow.
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So the 90s.
For me this is the time of electronic dance music. So an album that represents that. Low Frequency Oscillations by LFO. A couple of lads from Leeds who claimed to be the original pioneers of house... Yeah right. But Mark Bell was a real talent and went on to produce albums for the likes of Depeche Mode and Bjork.
Two obnoxious t**ts from Manchester said f**k all this crap we like classic rock and put out an era defining album. Probably have to include Definitely Maybe.
And then possibly Massive Attack... I'll go for something more authentically American.
Nuyorican Soul
The real deal, two fat DJs from NY, one black, one Latino who prolifically churn out dance music of all kinds. Kenny Dope and Louie Vega were behind the Bucket heads classic that was being played in every bar on Silver Street and everywhere else at the time.
Anyway this is a concept album, silky smooth with the best soulful voices on it, Roy Ayers, people like that.
So
LFO LFO
Oasis Definitely Maybe
Nuyorican Soul
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I have recently been writing some memoirs (yes I am that old) and have an early draft where I imagine I am a guest on Desert Island Discs, but my choices are those with strongest memories rather than just my favourites.
Taking a bit from that, which doesn’t fit exactly into decades:
Late sixties and early seventies (University):
Bridge over Troubled Water – Simon & Garfunkel
Songs of Leonard Cohen
The Contemporary Guitar Sampler (Vol 1 & 2) – constantly played when studying, unobtrusively blocking out competing noises
Late seventies (in the car travelling travelling up to 8 hours for a squash tournament in the Netherlands or Germany)
Any Eagles album up to and including Hotel California, so say Best of Compilation
Dire Straits first album of that name
Abraxas – Santana
Early Eighties (played all over the Netherlands at all squash clubs – an indelible memory)
Diamond Life – Sade
True – Spandau Ballet
One final recollection of a particular song:
A song with a truly dramatic memory for me is ‘Riders on the Storm’ by the Doors. Firstly, the song with its threatening lyric ‘there’s a killer on the road’ conjures up Lord of the Rings images of frightened hobbits being chased through forests by the Dark Riders. It would have been a wonderful choice for the film soundtrack. In my case I was being driven from Aachen to Maastricht by a German friend of mine, who was the proud owner of a VW Scirocco sports car, and a penchant for driving far too fast, and playing his music very loud. One evening, as he careered along the winding provincial roads in the midst of a particularly violent and crashing thunderstorm, he played ‘Riders on the Storm’ at full volume. It truly brought mighty shivers to my spine.
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Been trying to narrow this down all night but I've given up.
I've got 20 albums on my 1980s and 90s shortlists from Scottish bands alone.
Sulk: Associates
Empires & Dance, Sons & Fascination/Sister Feelings Call, New Gold Dream: Simple Minds
Psychocandy, Darklands, Barbed Wire Kisses: Jesus and Mary Chain
Treasure, Victorialand, Blue Bell Knoll, Heaven or Las Vegas: Cocteau Twins
Walk Across the Rooftops, Hats: Blue Nile
The Orange Juice, Texas Fever, Rip it Up: Orange Juice
High Land Hard Rain, Knife, Love: Aztec Camera
3 EPs: The Beta Band.
Screamadelica: Primal Scream
No chance of whittling them down. And that's before I think about New Order, Happy Mondays, Charlatans, Front 242, Laibach, Pixies, Frank Black, Dinosaur Jr, early UB40, The Beat, Cabaret Voltaire, Band of Holy Joy, Pulp, etc, etc.
Just impossible. Whatever I pick it'd be different tomorrow.
Get your arse of the fence BST!
I'm going to do a Richarson,and pick the team for you.
Cocteau Twins,
UB40,signing off.
Blue Nile. Gow Tinseltown was never a huge hit is a complete mystery.
Some really good calls on all posts.
Mansun
The Crossing,
Nuyorican Soul,
Riders on the storm,tho ots a song rather than album.
My selection has changed from the OP,some albums have been mentioned that I'd forgotten about,probably due to being in the middle of a move and only having about 30 albums at hand.
As I said in the first post,not necessarily your fave or best,just they have a meaning to you. I think DU hit the nail on the head with that.
Another correction on Screamadelica, it was the 90s,not 80s. It was a masterpiece, and there's probably obvious reasons for getting the year wrong!!
A question for RD,in a similar vein to Nuyorican Soul,there was a great tune called Estelle(no,not the singer). I've got it somewhere,but can't remember the artist,tried googling,but only come up with the singer. Any help RD?
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Why has nobody included the 1950s?
I mention this because BB is raving about "Alma Cogan's greatest hits".
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I think this might be the track you mean Iberian.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NCtXFEfyeZU
A Man called Adam. Not an artist I really know much about TBH. The vocalist has a bit of a Lisa Standsfield sound.
It's ok but it doesn't have the funk of something like this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AIxMTp2ocyc
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I'm stuck in the 1970s I'm afraid.
Best albums I bought then we're probably
Aqualung. Tull
Harvest. Neil Young.
Wish you were here. Floyd.
For Your Pleasure. Roxy Music.
Man who sold the World. Bowie.
Fire and Water. Free.
Lionheart. Kate Bush.
Loudon Wainwright. Ist album
Led Zep 4
Best album of 80s I bought was maybe
Rum, Sodomy and the Lash. Pogues
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I think this might be the track you mean Iberian.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NCtXFEfyeZU
A Man called Adam. Not an artist I really know much about TBH. The vocalist has a bit of a Lisa Standsfield sound.
It's ok but it doesn't have the funk of something like this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AIxMTp2ocyc
That's the one,good find. As soon as I read the name I remembered it. It was always more of a come down tune rather than uplifting. I've just looked them up on wiki,they are a very bright pair!
Some good choice TT,Bowie,Roxy(not a fan of BF these days tho),Young. Plus Rum,Sodomy
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This is quite tough. I follow a bloke on twitter (or whatever it's called now) who has been organising a poll where you pick 5 albums from each year - and that was difficult enough. But 3 from a decade, almost impossible. But here's a few from my collection:
1960's
Bob Dylan – Highway 61 Revisited
Van Morrison – Astral Weeks
King Crimson - In The Court of the Crimson King
1970's
Lindisfarne – Nicely Out Of Tune
Marvin Gaye – What’s Going On
Amazing Blondel – Fantasia Lindum
1980's
Jethro Tull – Broadsword and the Beast
Yes – 90125
John Martyn - Grace & Danger
1990's
Peter Gabriel – Us
Roger Waters – Amused to Death
Neil Young – Harvest Moon
2000's
Camel – A Nod and a Wink
Rush – Snakes & Arrows
Half Man Half Biscuit – Cammell Laird Social Club
2010's
Roy Harper – Man & Myth
Tinariwen – Emaar
Revolutionary Army of the Infant Jesus – Beauty Will Save The World
2020's
Craven Faults – Standers
Rosalie Cunningham – Two Piece Puzzle
Birth – Born
Significant prog influences there, a Marillion fan by any chance?
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Been trying to narrow this down all night but I've given up.
I've got 20 albums on my 1980s and 90s shortlists from Scottish bands alone.
Sulk: Associates
Empires & Dance, Sons & Fascination/Sister Feelings Call, New Gold Dream: Simple Minds
Psychocandy, Darklands, Barbed Wire Kisses: Jesus and Mary Chain
Treasure, Victorialand, Blue Bell Knoll, Heaven or Las Vegas: Cocteau Twins
Walk Across the Rooftops, Hats: Blue Nile
The Orange Juice, Texas Fever, Rip it Up: Orange Juice
High Land Hard Rain, Knife, Love: Aztec Camera
3 EPs: The Beta Band.
Screamadelica: Primal Scream
No chance of whittling them down. And that's before I think about New Order, Happy Mondays, Charlatans, Front 242, Laibach, Pixies, Frank Black, Dinosaur Jr, early UB40, The Beat, Cabaret Voltaire, Band of Holy Joy, Pulp, etc, etc.
Just impossible. Whatever I pick it'd be different tomorrow.
Get your arse of the fence BST!
I'm going to do a Richarson,and pick the team for you.
Cocteau Twins,
UB40,signing off.
Blue Nile. Gow Tinseltown was never a huge hit is a complete mystery.
Some really good calls on all posts.
Mansun
The Crossing,
Nuyorican Soul,
Riders on the storm,tho ots a song rather than album.
My selection has changed from the OP,some albums have been mentioned that I'd forgotten about,probably due to being in the middle of a move and only having about 30 albums at hand.
As I said in the first post,not necessarily your fave or best,just they have a meaning to you. I think DU hit the nail on the head with that.
Another correction on Screamadelica, it was the 90s,not 80s. It was a masterpiece, and there's probably obvious reasons for getting the year wrong!!
A question for RD,in a similar vein to Nuyorican Soul,there was a great tune called Estelle(no,not the singer). I've got it somewhere,but can't remember the artist,tried googling,but only come up with the singer. Any help RD?
Nah, I can't have a selection that excludes Barbed Wire Kisses.
British rock music was always about taking Amerikana influences and putting a British twist on them. Never ever been a finer example than that album. The cover versions of Surfin USA and Bo Diddley's Who Do You Love through a grim East Kilbride lens and with manic feedback are just magnificent. And Sidewalking is the greatest three chord rock song of all time. It swaggers effortlessly and malevolently. Just reeks of "f**king couldn't give a shite" cool. Oasis couldn't better that in a million years because they tried to swagger too hard.
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Well as you can't have 3 by the same person that rules me out for at least one or two of the decades
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If it's like bringing an emergency keeper in on loan,I'll let you have it.
However if it's Sir Cliff for 3 decades you'll be facing a disciplinary hearing and I'll be asking for a 10 game ban.
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Tough one
I was born 64 so the 60’s albums are obviously retrospective
60s
Led zepp
Cream - Disraeli Gears
Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
70s
Powerage - AC/DC
Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd
Van Halen - Van Halen
80s
No Sleep Till Hammersmith - Motorhead
Hysteria - Def Leppard
Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden
90s
Use your Illusion - GNR
Backstreet Symphony - Thunder
Painkiller - Judas Priest
00s
Blackbird - Alter Bridge
The Sound of Madness - Shinedown
Hybrid Theory - Linkin Park
10s
AM - Artic Monkeys
Viscous - Halestorm
13 - Black Sabbath
20s
Death by Rock and Roll - Pretty Reckless
IMPERATIVE - Ghost
Sunrise on Slaughter Beach - Clutch
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Without wanting to categorise, put you in a box and stereotype dude,I get the impression you're into
Easy listening!
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Yep correct lol
Great thread btw
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Cheers dude. There's some really good contributions to it that make it that.
I've got 4 of the albums you've mentioned,but none from 2020s.
Point of order tho,you've got Led Zep twice,so yellow card.
If you're trying to get Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 in,it's going to VARS,and it's looking like a red for you! :P
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As Rocket from The Crypt said "Born In 69"!
1960's
The Beatles - A Hard Day's Night
Rolling Stones - Aftermath
Bob Dylan - Bringing It All Back Home
1970's
Led Zeppelin - IV
P.I.L - Metal Box
Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
1980's
Donald Fagen - The Nightfly
Guns N Roses - Appetite For Destruction
Inner City - Paradise
1990's
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
The Orb - U.F.Orb
Air - Moon Safari
2000's
Steely Dan - Two Against Nature
Fairport Convention - XXXV
Brian Wilson - Smile
2010's
Paul Weller - Wake Up The Nation
David Crosby - Lighthouse
Thundercat - Drunk
2020's
Jim - Love Makes Magic
John Cale - Mercy
Roisin Murphy - Roisin Machine
Probably different if you asked me tomorrow!!
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Cheers dude. There's some really good contributions to it that make it that.
I've got 4 of the albums you've mentioned,but none from 2020s.
Point of order tho,you've got Led Zep twice,so yellow card.
If you're trying to get Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 in,it's going to VARS,and it's looking like a red for you! :P
Can I appeal that yellow please, only one Led Zep that I can see
It was tough making the list particularly 70s and 80s
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Good news on the appeal Roversdude.The trubunal have deliberated,and your yellow has been rescinded.
It would appear one of the old dodderers mixed up his Led Zep and Def Lep! :)
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70s
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
Star Wars OST - John Williams
Frank Sinatra - Ol' Blue Eyes is Back (now in my collection, originally my Dad's favourite)
80s
The The - Infected
New Order - Power, Corruption and Lies
Pet Shop Boys - Disco
90s
Carter USM - 101 Damnations
Blur - Parklife
Green Day - Dookie
00s
Radiohead - Kid A
RATM - Renegades
Arctic Monkeys - Everything you say I am
10s
Slaves - Are You Satisfied?
Frank Turner - England Keep My Bones
IDLES - Brutalism
20s
Jim Bob - Pop Up Jim Bob
Fontaines DC - A Hero's Death
Yard Act - The Overload
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Nice 70s/80s choice.
The Slaves have changed their name,haven't they?
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Nice 70s/80s choice.
The Slaves have changed their name,haven't they?
Yes, now called Soft Play
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Adjudication!
Does a remix album count? Because if it does I'll change my PSB nomination to Disco. Mainly because Paninaro is the best PSB track ever. And it's all generally a great piece of work.
Also are Joy Division and New Order different bands? Because I don't think they or the people at a Factory thought so. I think there's probably a good argument to say New Order /Joy Division is more different after Peter left than Ian did.
And a correction. LFO LFO is a single from the album Frequencies. LFO LFO was the single that Steve Wright in the afternoon said was the worst chart single ever. Which of course is a good part of why it's so good.
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RD, you're under investigation for FFP for that!
Joy Division and NO are 2 completely different bands,and don't try in your defence bringing up Ian Astbury fronting The Doors!
In mitigation you have a very strong point regarding Steve Wright,what a kitson. :ermm:
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Adjudication!
Does a remix album count? Because if it does I'll change my PSB nomination to Disco. Mainly because Paninaro is the best PSB track ever. And it's all generally a great piece of work.
Also are Joy Division and New Order different bands? Because I don't think they or the people at a Factory thought so. I think there's probably a good argument to say New Order /Joy Division is more different after Peter left than Ian did.
And a correction. LFO LFO is a single from the album Frequencies. LFO LFO was the single that Steve Wright in the afternoon said was the worst chart single ever. Which of course is a good part of why it's so good.
River Don,
Funnily enough, I'm just reading the excellent Shadowplayers, about the rise and fall of Factory Records. Straight from the horses mouths, NO were never seen as a continuation of JD by the three remaining members. They drew a line. They only kept the songs Ceremony and A Lonely Place as tribute to Ian's exceptional lyrics, something Bernard admits to have struggled with on Movement as he tried to write with the same gravity and failed. Only on PC&L did Bernard realise that the lyrics "could be any old shit" hence the last lines to Your Silent Face which they all agonised over finding something profound until they decided not to even try any more.
Also, Gillian was brought in as she couldn't play an instrument. They wanted her to have the same "making this up as we go along" experience they had.
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Oh, and I'll fight anyone who says Disco isn't a proper album. It is utterly brilliant.
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Adjudication!
Does a remix album count? Because if it does I'll change my PSB nomination to Disco. Mainly because Paninaro is the best PSB track ever. And it's all generally a great piece of work.
Also are Joy Division and New Order different bands? Because I don't think they or the people at a Factory thought so. I think there's probably a good argument to say New Order /Joy Division is more different after Peter left than Ian did.
And a correction. LFO LFO is a single from the album Frequencies. LFO LFO was the single that Steve Wright in the afternoon said was the worst chart single ever. Which of course is a good part of why it's so good.
River Don,
Funnily enough, I'm just reading the excellent Shadowplayers, about the rise and fall of Factory Records. Straight from the horses mouths, NO were never seen as a continuation of JD by the three remaining members. They drew a line. They only kept the songs Ceremony and A Lonely Place as tribute to Ian's exceptional lyrics, something Bernard admits to have struggled with on Movement as he tried to write with the same gravity and failed. Only on PC&L did Bernard realise that the lyrics "could be any old shit" hence the last lines to Your Silent Face which they all agonised over finding something profound until they decided not to even try any more.
Also, Gillian was brought in as she couldn't play an instrument. They wanted her to have the same "making this up as we go along" experience they had.
Alright,
Is NO better without Peter?
I'm not sure it is. They exist in that tension between rock and dance music. And I'm coming from the side of dance music.
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Adjudication!
Does a remix album count? Because if it does I'll change my PSB nomination to Disco. Mainly because Paninaro is the best PSB track ever. And it's all generally a great piece of work.
Also are Joy Division and New Order different bands? Because I don't think they or the people at a Factory thought so. I think there's probably a good argument to say New Order /Joy Division is more different after Peter left than Ian did.
And a correction. LFO LFO is a single from the album Frequencies. LFO LFO was the single that Steve Wright in the afternoon said was the worst chart single ever. Which of course is a good part of why it's so good.
River Don,
Funnily enough, I'm just reading the excellent Shadowplayers, about the rise and fall of Factory Records. Straight from the horses mouths, NO were never seen as a continuation of JD by the three remaining members. They drew a line. They only kept the songs Ceremony and A Lonely Place as tribute to Ian's exceptional lyrics, something Bernard admits to have struggled with on Movement as he tried to write with the same gravity and failed. Only on PC&L did Bernard realise that the lyrics "could be any old shit" hence the last lines to Your Silent Face which they all agonised over finding something profound until they decided not to even try any more.
Also, Gillian was brought in as she couldn't play an instrument. They wanted her to have the same "making this up as we go along" experience they had.
Alright,
Is NO better without Peter?
I'm not sure it is. They exist in that tension between rock and dance music. And I'm coming from the side of dance music.
Definitely missing Peter Hook,and not the same without.
The last decent thing they did was Crystal,and in my opinion one of the best things they ever did.
Great comeback tune,and I' It was ovvioisly influenced by early days(JD) and MDMA proper banger.
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That's an interesting take, IR
I've seen New Order many times over the years, with Peter and without. Tom Chapman does a fair job of Peter's role in the band, but clearly isn't Peter. Part of Peter's appeal was the aggression he attacked the instrument with, the low slung stance with the bass almost on his right knee. New Order live now are still excellent if a little safe. I'm seeing them in the O2 in London next month.
I've also seen Peter Hook and the Light many times. I've got to say, Peter's JD sets are utterly brilliant. Far better than the snippets NO do now of JD (usually only Atmosphere and LWTUA in encore). I can't imagine NO doing tracks like Heart and Soul, Isolation or Atrocity Exhibition now. Peter does, and they sound powerful and intense, like they should.
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Oh, and I'll fight anyone who says Disco isn't a proper album. It is utterly brilliant.
I'll put it in my list then.
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If a remix album counts, does a compilation album?
Not that I would include, Now that's what I call music... But one of the Street Sounds Electro compilations might feature.
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VAR pending........
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Adjudication!
Does a remix album count? Because if it does I'll change my PSB nomination to Disco. Mainly because Paninaro is the best PSB track ever. And it's all generally a great piece of work.
Also are Joy Division and New Order different bands? Because I don't think they or the people at a Factory thought so. I think there's probably a good argument to say New Order /Joy Division is more different after Peter left than Ian did.
And a correction. LFO LFO is a single from the album Frequencies. LFO LFO was the single that Steve Wright in the afternoon said was the worst chart single ever. Which of course is a good part of why it's so good.
This Steve Wright who got to No40?
https://youtu.be/MUJkOcbMlfo?si=Jr864VoJRzTdqOcS
Or this one that got to No61?
https://youtu.be/oH8e-RVggmI?si=-pagOCSh_s3PHUKw
f**king he'll. They don't make them like that anymore...
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That's an interesting take, IR
I've seen New Order many times over the years, with Peter and without. Tom Chapman does a fair job of Peter's role in the band, but clearly isn't Peter. Part of Peter's appeal was the aggression he attacked the instrument with, the low slung stance with the bass almost on his right knee. New Order live now are still excellent if a little safe. I'm seeing them in the O2 in London next month.
I've also seen Peter Hook and the Light many times. I've got to say, Peter's JD sets are utterly brilliant. Far better than the snippets NO do now of JD (usually only Atmosphere and LWTUA in encore). I can't imagine NO doing tracks like Heart and Soul, Isolation or Atrocity Exhibition now. Peter does, and they sound powerful and intense, like they should.
I think it comes through in the song writing too, Peter always wanted a rockier edge, he wanted to get back to Joy Division and didn't like sounding like The Pet Shop Boys.
I do believe he and the other two worked on a new album but when Bernard heard it, he went mad and I think Republic might have come out instead. It would be really interesting if that album were to emerge. Peter said New Order were never the same after Bernard did the Electronic thing with Johnny Marr.
Anyway, I'll try not to hijack this thread with NO talk anymore.
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Adjudication!
Does a remix album count? Because if it does I'll change my PSB nomination to Disco. Mainly because Paninaro is the best PSB track ever. And it's all generally a great piece of work.
Also are Joy Division and New Order different bands? Because I don't think they or the people at a Factory thought so. I think there's probably a good argument to say New Order /Joy Division is more different after Peter left than Ian did.
And a correction. LFO LFO is a single from the album Frequencies. LFO LFO was the single that Steve Wright in the afternoon said was the worst chart single ever. Which of course is a good part of why it's so good.
River Don,
Funnily enough, I'm just reading the excellent Shadowplayers, about the rise and fall of Factory Records. Straight from the horses mouths, NO were never seen as a continuation of JD by the three remaining members. They drew a line. They only kept the songs Ceremony and A Lonely Place as tribute to Ian's exceptional lyrics, something Bernard admits to have struggled with on Movement as he tried to write with the same gravity and failed. Only on PC&L did Bernard realise that the lyrics "could be any old shit" hence the last lines to Your Silent Face which they all agonised over finding something profound until they decided not to even try any more.
Also, Gillian was brought in as she couldn't play an instrument. They wanted her to have the same "making this up as we go along" experience they had.
Alright,
Is NO better without Peter?
I'm not sure it is. They exist in that tension between rock and dance music. And I'm coming from the side of dance music.
Definitely missing Peter Hook,and not the same without.
The last decent thing they did was Crystal,and in my opinion one of the best things they ever did.
Great comeback tune,and I' It was ovvioisly influenced by early days(JD) and MDMA proper banger.
Actually, talking about JD and NO and drug use, the book covers their use of LSD. Not enough for full on hallucinations but just enough to change perceptions. They really disapproved of Hannett and his heroin addiction, which led to his increasingly bizarre behavior and ultimately all the Factory bands stepping away from him. Interesting also that Hannett suing the other directors of Factory was over a misheard number that Wilson et al paid Peter Saville for his share of Factory after Saville relocated to London (and his work got later and later to be delivered). They bought him out for £2k. Hannett heard £20k and went ballistic.
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There was a really interesting documentary on BBC2 some years ago(probably about 27!)about Prozac.
Barney and a host of other artists wer interviewed. In the interview,he said that whilst he was taking it for depression it was the most productive period od his song writing and creative output.
They were all more into party poppers than hard drugs.
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Adjudication!
Does a remix album count? Because if it does I'll change my PSB nomination to Disco. Mainly because Paninaro is the best PSB track ever. And it's all generally a great piece of work.
Also are Joy Division and New Order different bands? Because I don't think they or the people at a Factory thought so. I think there's probably a good argument to say New Order /Joy Division is more different after Peter left than Ian did.
And a correction. LFO LFO is a single from the album Frequencies. LFO LFO was the single that Steve Wright in the afternoon said was the worst chart single ever. Which of course is a good part of why it's so good.
VAR has again deliberated and accepted remixes.
After all,the panel had a rerelease in the OP!
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At a tangent here (don't want to hijack your excellent thread IB) but did anyone else watch a brilliant series on TV (just seen it was in 1995 and 1997) called 'Rock Family Trees' which charted the evolving line-up of many bands and connected bands. Absolutely brilliant and I have seen nothing else like it. The book from the series is brilliant too.
https://omnibuspress.com/blogs/blog/rock-family-trees-returning-to-the-bbc
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Yes DU! I saw it
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Great interview with Will Sergeant,who mentions his favourite guitar players. Several have been mentioned by posters in this thread.
Will Sergeant Interview: “I don’t want to be nice or neat”
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Will Sergeant. Photo by Alex Hurst
Will Sergeant has been the guitarist for Echo and the Bunnymen for an incredible 45 years, providing innovative and influential guitar lines for one of the best and most respected bands to emerge from the chaos of punk. Here he takes us through his life and times, as featured in his latest book, Echoes.
Will Sergeant and his guitar playing have grown up in public and he has come a long way since strumming the chords that made up The Bunnymen’s first single, Pictures On My Wall, released way back in 1979. He has long since been one of the country’s most respected guitarists, always capable of surprise and of finding new or different ways to play his guitar.
Last week saw the publication of his second book, Echoes, focussing on the start of Echo and the Bunnymen’s rise to international fame and acclaim. The book is an essential read for all fans and scholars of both The Bunnymen and post punk music in general – see our full review here.
For this interview, Will and I took a table in his local, a traditional pub set on the picturesque banks of the Leeds – Liverpool canal to look back at his story so far and to see what the future holds in store.
He is an easy conversationalist with an equally easy sense of humour, something that readers of his books may not be expecting.
In your books, the young Will Sergeant comes across as quite shy and introverted, but you aren’t like that these days.
“In the beginning I was pretty shy and hid at the back. I still don’t jump about onstage, I prefer lurking in the shadows.”
So how do you find it talking about yourself so openly and in such detail in your books?
“Maybe it was all just being stored up and now its being released. The Bunnymen brought me out of my shell, the travelling especially, you just become more worldly, seeing different things and being in weird situations. The shy exterior just gets chipped away by all that. When I was at work [Sergeant was a trainee chef], when The Bunnymen started and we were doing gigs in London, the waitresses who used to work there said to me one day ‘God you’ve really come out of your shell’.
To me, London was like this magical land and once you’re going there regularly and you’ve got fans it does bolster you up somehow.
We were kind of arrogant as well, we had that Scouse arrogance going on and that was part of it as well, that shared bravado. But as you get older you get more used to things and become more grown up and you deal with things. “
How did you go about writing the book, did you sit in front of a laptop or did you dictate it?
“On a laptop. What I did was I had a book where I made notes of things that I remembered and I talked to a few people and then I started remembering a few more bit. It may seem like I have a really good memory, but it’s because things happened in a line. Plus there were months in between where we were just dossing around and doing nothing, so it looks like you remember everything but really you only remember key things. There are loads of gigs I don’t remember playing. But I do remember the Madness gig where we were getting bottled off.” [The Bunnymen shared an early gig with Bad Manners and Madness]
That was a strange lineup looking back.
“At the time we didn’t think ‘this is a weird bill’, it seemed to be like anything goes in those days. We were laughing about it when we got back in the dressing room though. Pete [De Freitas], scarpered that night so I didn’t get a chance to see if he was ok. It was his first gig with us.”
That was a hell of a first gig!
“I’ve gone through the dates and I’m sure that was his first gig. I can’t see any other from when he came to see us at Eric’s before Christmas and the London gig.
We just thought he was great. We didn’t really have anything else to compare him to, we didn’t try any other drummers, it wasn’t a case of ‘he’ll do’ it was more like ‘we’ve got a drummer now’. We didn’t audition him, we wouldn’t know if he was a good drummer or a bad drummer really, unless he’d have been really terrible. But we got Pete De Freitas.”
How did that come about?
“Bill Drummond and Dave Balfe went and got him. They’d heard about him and thought we should give him a try. The great thing about Bill is something will be suggested and he’ll just go out and do it, he’s dead good at organising and making things happen. He didn’t think I was going top be happy about getting a drummer, but the drum machine we had was limited. I had to tweak the settings between songs using little marks. It wasn’t a digital thing so if I moved a dial past a mark by about an eight of an inch and it would be dead fast, it was a bit of a nightmare like that.
Pete wanted to be a guitarist really. He played guitar at a couple of our gigs. We did a Scottish tour with Ian Broudie, we played the Outer Hebrides, places like Lewis and Skye and a few other places, island hopping a bit, and I’ve got pictures of Pete playing guitar on stage. Ian Broudie was playing guitar as well and he was also mixing it from the stage. We played tiny places like Portree Gathering Hall and there was one skinhead, one punk, a mod, a greaser, a hippy girl freaking out, there was one of everything in the crowd.”
Was this all part of the post-punk thing of wanting to do things differently?
“Yeah, it was like we were looking for new things, things that weren’t rock n roll. It’s like the way we used to have Pete at the front of the stage, so we were all in a line, we thought ‘that’s crap, having the drummer at the back’.”
In the book you have quite a defined post punk conscience, is that still with you these days?
“Definitely, always trying to avoid what everybody else was doing, like boring chord sequences where you know what the next chord is going to be, that’s what we were trying to avoid. But we didn’t think about it, it was just natural. We didn’t think ‘what can we do to be different’, we just knew we were avoiding all that corny stuff, rock n roll Chuck Berry guitar lines and that kind of stuff.
It was all new at the time. I mean, you can’t imagine Joy Division doing Roll Over Beethoven can you?”
One of the things that amazes me about your story is you Mac and Les all got together to form a group and then you got Pete involved, and it just so happened to turn out that Mac has this incredible voice, and it just so happened that you became this incredibly influential guitarist, Les turned out to be a cool and melodic bass player and it just so happened that Pete De Freitas was one of the world’s best drummers. How does that happen, do the stars all align perfectly and things just happen to turn out like this?
“I’ve got no idea. It just seemed to work out. And it’s still going, we’re off to America in November and we have the orchestral Ocean Rain gigs coming up, we’re playing the Albert Hall and the Liverpool M&S Arena. There’s still loads of people who want to come and see us. It’s great, but I don’t understand how we ended up here.
We weren’t like, say U2, who got massive because they played every little town in America several times and the word got around and they had a real grass roots thing going on, but we didn’t have the patience for that. We weren’t doing it to become the biggest band in the world.
Bill told us that when we played the Lyceum with U2, their manager came up to Bill and said they wanted to change the settings on the mixing desk, and we were headlining so Bill told him no. And he said to Bill “you’re going to regret this Drummond” or something like that. Haha, threatened by U2! Bill said make sure you put that in your book! But I forgot. Maybe it can go in the next one.”
When did you feel that you’d first made it as a band, that you were becoming successful?
“I think probably playing The Whiskey A Go Go in Los Angeles or the first American tour we did. It was nuts, all of a sudden we were in America. You know, I’d been to Rhyll for three days. That was pretty good. Especially for me as a big Doors fan.”
You got compared to The Doors quite a bit back in the day.
“I was the only one who liked The Doors, none of the others liked them. It was only because I was playing them all the time in the van that they started getting used to it and liking it. The first time I heard The Doors was when my brother had Strange Days. I went to his house in Pinner, on the outskirts of London, and he played Strange days and I thought ‘that’s fantastic!’ and I went up and bought it out of my paper round money and then started getting all The Doors records and I just became obsessed with them. They were by far my favourite band until punk came along. Them and The Velvets.”
By the time we get to the end of book two, at that point are you surprised at how your life is turning out?
“I’m still surprised. Things were just happening, it wasn’t the be all and end all to us, or to me at least, that we became this big band, it was the doing of it. That was the reward. I wasn’t arsed about chart positions or going on Top of the Pops, I hated Top of the Pops.
One time we were due on Top of the Pops doing Sevens Seas and I went to the Lake District and they had to put Jake [Brockman, Bunnymen associate and keyboard player] in disguise on guitar.”
Mac has described Heaven Up Here as being ‘Will’s album’. Would you agree with that?
“It’s all of us on that album. I was a bit of a control freak in the studio with Heaven Up Here, I told Pete not to play cymbals but he just embraced it, went onto the toms and started this whole new vibe. Cymbals just seemed a bit rocky and also they filled up the part of the aural landscape where I wanted to live, that thin, high guitar sound, like Subway Sect and The Fall. So it was kind of a selfish thing, but it turned out alright.
A lot of people in bands love it, I know Flea [Red Hot Chilli Peppers] loves it. He got in touch with me and said ‘you’re in my book, do you want a copy?’ and I already had it so I sent him a picture of me holding it saying ‘what, this rubbish? Do you mind not interrupting when I’m reading!’ Ha ha.”
You’re two quite different bands though.
“Well I think it’s Les’ bass being quite prominent, in that spiky way, and we had elements of funk. I mean we thought it was funk, it was the whitest version of funk you’re going to come across, it was that choppy stuff, which was a bit Velvets, a bit Talking Heads, so we had that element in there and I think that’s what the Chilli Peppers picked up on.””
In the early days, would you ever have described yourself as a punk?
“Yes. We were all punks. But it was more Fall area punk, or Wire. We were definitely punks and we were into the punk thing, the whole attitude of it was great.
It started out, for me, with people like Dr Feelgood, it was more their attitude than the rhythm & blues music they used to play. But we didn’t know there was other stuff going on as well, like I’d never heard of Can then. I’d heard of The Residents. Whatever John Peel was playing, that’s what we’d heard. We didn’t have access to the Internet back then, you had to work hard to find things, a lot of it was just word of mouth.
That’s what was great about Eric’s, you’d hear loads of records you’d never heard before because Norman the DJ was playing loads of stuff. It must have been the same in the 60s with all the psych stuff going on in places like UFO, Middle Earth and those clubs.”
For me, that was the natural progression of punk, from bands like The Pistols and The Clash into the likes of Wire and The Slits and then into Joy Division and The Bunnymen. And to me it was such a shame that it became about The Lurkers and then The Exploited and that kind of thing, that wasn’t the progression that seemed to have started and that you were part of.
“Right. As soon as the first photo was taken for money of a punk with a Mohican on the Kings Road that was the end of punk. When you had gangs of punks waiting for tourists to give them a few bob for a photo. It was more arty than that, with Vivienne Westwood and Jamie Reid, they were instrumental in giving it a whole arty vibe.
The term post punk hadn’t been invented at the time so no one knew what to call us. We were called post-modernist for a while, then long overcoat music, then neo-psychedelia. We had loads of stupid titles. Nowadays, people think we’re goth!”
How would you describe The Bunnymen’s music?
“I don’t know. Interesting rock music maybe.”
I was watching Ian McCulloch on the Classic Songwriters series on Sky Arts, and he had a group of musicians playing Bunnymen music while he sang a few hits. The guitarist was playing your parts note for note, but it didn’t sound the same, it sounded too nice and neat.
“That’s good, I don’t want to be nice or neat.”
Who would you count as your favourite guitarists, then and now?
“At the beginning it would have been Jimmy Page, Hendrix, Robbie Krieger, Phil Manzanera. The Tom Verlaine & Richard Lloyd, that combo, Andy Gill and Barney from New Order/Joy Division. I really like a few other people now, like Gábor Szabó. He’s kind of a jazz guitarist, but he uses an acoustic guitar with a pickup and he gets this rattly horrible feedback, but it’s kind of interesting what he does.
I’ve been listening to a lot of Fairport Convention and Richard Thompson. I’m pretty sure Tom Verlaine mentioned him in an interview a few years ago and when you listen to a lot of Richard Thompson you can spot bits of Tom Verlaine’s sound in there. He definitely has the same intensity as Tom Verlaine and some of the weird timing. He has a song called A Sailor’s Life and it’s very Richard Lloyd and Tom Verlaine.”
Were any of those a direct influence on the music you’ve made?
“Obviously Wilko Johnson.”
I must admit I don’t hear much Wilko in your music.
“I got a black Telecaster because of Wilko Johnson and I think Crocodiles is the most Wilko-ish one. I can’t play like he does of course.”
How does it feel still playing songs like Rescue these days?
“I have no problem with it, it’s the only time I ever hear them.”
You don’t listen to you own records?
“I played Crocodiles and Heaven Up Here when I was doing the books, trying to remember what were doing in the studio. They sounded good. There is obviously sounds in there that niggle me, but at the time they were really annoying. You know, “why did I do that” or “I wish I’d played that part a bit thicker”, that sort of thing. I used to go away really upset, with butterflies in the stomach, but the bad butterflies that mean you’re worried.
Now I don’t worry about it at all, it is what it is, but there are things that I wish we’d done slightly different. I thin we should have had more of Les’ bass on there, but Les kind of like it twangy.”
What would you say is your favourite Bunnymen album?
“Probably Heaven Up Here or Ocean rain. I’d say my least favourite is Crocodiles of the first four. I still like it better than the Grey Album.”
The Grey Album was kind of a comeback album wasn’t it.
“Yeah, we had a year off. Bill Drummond came up with that one. That was a stupid idea. I remember Roxy Music had a year off and we were really disappointed to hear that they were going away for ma year, but when they came back they were different. They’d gone a bit softer, and so had we. We’ve done some good ones since, Siberia is pretty good and I like Flowers.”
What’s next for Echo and the Bunnymen?
“We’re doing an album and it’s just taking ages. There’s no release date set yet though.”
And what’s next for you, book part three?
“Yeah, I’ve already started cataloguing what I want to write about. I put things in a big long list and get it all in the right order and then hone in on things. People ask me how to write a book, but it’s just things that happened, I don’t think it’s hard.
I’ve been reading Clive James lately, a book called Cultural Amnesia, it takes people out of history and writes a paragraph on them. It’s funny, he’s dead sarky. I’m not like him though, he’s a proper writer.”
You don’t think you’re a proper writer?
“I don’t think I’m a proper anything. I like it when people tell me they’ve read my book. I’ve already had emails from people saying ‘I’ve finished your book already, loved it’ and that kind of thing.”
It is easy to read. I kept thinking ‘just another page and then I’ll put it down’, but it isn’t easy to put down.
“That’s what I wanted, I didn’t want it to be full of technical stuff about the studio. There is a bit of that in, but not loads. I wanted it to be easy to read, why would you read a book that was difficult.”
It doesn’t necessarily follow though that just because someone is a good singer or a good guitarist that they’ll also be good at writing books.
“Well I started writing when there was a label putting out the Bunnymen back catalogue with these really cool covers and they asked me to write the sleeve notes and that’s when I first started thinking that I was able to explain things. I like being descriptive, I like seeing how a curtain falls or whatever and being able to describe it. It’s like painting with words.
In the first book I loved going back to when I was a kid and remembering what it was like, and my mates from school and playing by the canal. All the stuff we used to get up to like breaking greenhouse windows and stuff like that.
The next one is going to be Porcupine and Ocean Rain. Also, me, Les, Jake and Bill Butt went on holiday to Russia, or the Soviet Union as it was back then. That was the best holiday I’ve ever had I think, it was certainly the most memorable one. It was horrible but it was memorable. When we came back we looked like we’d been in a gulag for two weeks, we were a couple of steps away from eating each other’s boots.”
So is it going to be a series of books, each covering a couple of albums?
“I’d like to branch out, maybe write a book on psychedelic bands or… I’ve got a couple of ideas for fiction books. I’ve got a cold war story, I love all those Len Deighton and John Le Carre books, where spies are like shady, grubby little figures, they’re not James Bond. That’s what they are really, they have to blend in and don’t want to be standing out, Like the Rosenbergs in America, they looked like an average couple. Sleepers.
I’ll probably never do it, but I’ve done about half of it. I’ve started a sci-fi novel as well. Actually I started that ages ago, probably before I did the sleeve notes for the Bunnymen albums. I’ve done 17 chapters on that, it’s got a proper story and strange worlds.”
And maybe that’s a good place to draw things to a close, with tales of strange worlds and promises of things to come. Despite his protestations, Will Sergeant is very much a real writer. His two books so far come strongly recommended and the idea of novels is one that we hope is soon realised.
In the meantime, there is plenty for his fans to delve into, both with the Bunnymen and under his own steam.
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This is the Fairport/Richard Thompson song he mentions (with Sandy Denny on vocals) - nearly 55 years old - frightening!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygi8v7UcNMs
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I've seen Richard Thompson several times in recent years.
He's a great guitarist, acoustic or electric.
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This is the Fairport/Richard Thompson song he mentions (with Sandy Denny on vocals) - nearly 55 years old - frightening!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygi8v7UcNMs
We have friends that have gone to Cropredy, never missed a year I would think.
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Sorry I'm late to the party on this amazing thread. Lovely getting to know fellow Rovers better with an insight in to their music tastes! We should do a films and books version as well to round off the psychological profile! I was born 1980 so a glut of stuff for me to choose from 90's and early 00's before life takes over! Thanks for this thread.
Pre-80’s
Velvet Underground – self titled
Joy Division – Unknown Pleasures
Nick Drake – Bryter Layter
1980:
Pixies – Surfer Rosa
The Fall – Perverted by Language
Sonic Youth – Daydream Nation
1990:
My Bloody Valentine – Loveless
Pavement – Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
Slint – Spiderland
2000:
Arab Strap – The Red Thread
Yo La Tengo – And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out
Two Lone Swordsmen – Further Reminders
2010:
Battles – Gloss Drop
Boards of Canada – Tomorrow’s Harvest
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - 'Allelujah! Don't Bend! Ascend!
2020:
Mogwai – As The Love Continues
Low – Hey What
Sigur Ros - ATTA
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Sorry I'm late to the party on this amazing thread. Lovely getting to know fellow Rovers better with an insight in to their music tastes! We should do a films and books version as well to round off the psychological profile! I was born 1980 so a glut of stuff for me to choose from 90's and early 00's before life takes over! Thanks for this thread.
Pre-80’s
Velvet Underground – self titled
Joy Division – Unknown Pleasures
Nick Drake – Bryter Layter
1980:
Pixies – Surfer Rosa
The Fall – Perverted by Language
Sonic Youth – Daydream Nation
1990:
My Bloody Valentine – Loveless
Pavement – Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
Slint – Spiderland
2000:
Arab Strap – The Red Thread
Yo La Tengo – And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside-Out
Two Lone Swordsmen – Further Reminders
2010:
Battles – Gloss Drop
Boards of Canada – Tomorrow’s Harvest
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - 'Allelujah! Don't Bend! Ascend!
2020:
Mogwai – As The Love Continues
Low – Hey What
Sigur Ros - ATTA
Good call Reg! Your 70s/80s could all have found there way on my list too.
I saw My Bloody Valentine(just watched Creation Stories,very interesting) at around that time at Sheffield Arena on the lollapalooza festival tour. I can't remember many others on the bill(anyone help?), but do remember a very young Blur were bottomed of the bill!
Interesting to see that your 2020s selection are all older bands that have been around for years.
Maybe that's a consequence of spotify killing the traditional album in favour of hit singles for all but alternative/well established artists?
Since some of the great contributions on here,I've probably changed my mind regarding about 60% of my original choice.
Some are even albums I forgot I owned!
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Thinking about the Arena gig,maybe Jesus and Mary Chain,Primal Scream were on the bill too.
If anyone else was there,it would be good to hear.
It was not long after Sheffield hosted the WS games,and the Don Valley had been redeveloped. Unfortunately the Take Two,which was a great little venue(apart from having a column in the middle of it)disappeared with that development.
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Sorry I'm late to the party on this amazing thread. Lovely getting to know fellow Rovers better with an insight in to their music tastes! We should do a films and books version as well to round off the psychological profile! I was born 1980 so a glut of stuff for me to choose from 90's and early 00's before life takes over! Thanks for this thread.
Good call Reg! Your 70s/80s could all have found there way on my list too.
I saw My Bloody Valentine(just watched Creation Stories,very interesting) at around that time at Sheffield Arena on the lollapalooza festival tour. I can't remember many others on the bill(anyone help?), but do remember a very young Blur were bottomed of the bill!
Interesting to see that your 2020s selection are all older bands that have been around for years.
Maybe that's a consequence of spotify killing the traditional album in favour of hit singles for all but alternative/well established artists?
Since some of the great contributions on here,I've probably changed my mind regarding about 60% of my original choice.
Some are even albums I forgot I owned!
Thanks Iberian, I was cheating a bit on the 2020's - sticking the most recent releases from 3 of my fave bands in there! I've seen most of my picks - Nick Drake, JD and MBV excluded so I'm jealous! I saw John Cale playing the VU songs in Liverpool so I'm counting that :P Great thread, I'll keep my eye out for the films and books edition coming soon!!
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I've got a bit of John Cale in my collection,lucky you getting to see that.
I skipped Lou Reed playing locally for me about 18 years as the tickets were about £80. What a regret.
Edit:
It was Rollercoaster tour.
Also there was no Primal Scream on the bill.
It was 1992,so that's my defence for having a memory lapse.
The full line up was,
Jesus and Mary Chain,
My Bloody Valentine,
Dinosaur Jr,
Blur.
Blur had yet to reinvent their sound at that time,and were nothing like later albums.
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Tough one
I was born 64 so the 60’s albums are obviously retrospective
60s
Led zepp
Cream - Disraeli Gears
Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
70s
Powerage - AC/DC
Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd
Van Halen - Van Halen
80s
No Sleep Till Hammersmith - Motorhead
Hysteria - Def Leppard
Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden
90s
Use your Illusion - GNR
Backstreet Symphony - Thunder
Painkiller - Judas Priest
00s
Blackbird - Alter Bridge
The Sound of Madness - Shinedown
Hybrid Theory - Linkin Park
10s
AM - Artic Monkeys
Viscous - Halestorm
13 - Black Sabbath
20s
Death by Rock and Roll - Pretty Reckless
IMPERATIVE - Ghost
Sunrise on Slaughter Beach - Clutch
Good man Roversdude. Another Rocker like myself.
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Come on then Ye Auld,let's be having you selection.
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1970s
Montrose - self titled
Van Halen - self titled
Acdc - powerage
1980s
Iron maiden - somewhere in time
Motley Crue - too fast for love
Cinderella - long cold winter
1990s
Poison - flesh and blood
Ozzy Osbourne - no more tears
Joe Satriani - the extremist
2000s
The Answer - rise
The Darkness - permission to land
The devil's blood - the time of no time evermore
2010s
The Union -; siren's song
Blackberry smoke - the whippoorwill
Paul Gilbert - I can destroy
The 2020s
Cheap trick - in another world
Blue Oyster cult - the symbol remains
Ugly Kid Joe - rad wings of destiny
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Only the one in my collection YAT,Van Halen.
I imagine you liked a pint in Beethams and Hallcross years ago!
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YAT excellent choices, Powerage is (in my opinion) the most complete album ever
I frequented Beethams and The Hallcross along with The Castle and the Polish Club - there were some “characters” about then
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I don't know how I missed the Castle on that list, I was part of the fixtures and fittings there. Always started a night out in Hallcross,and ended up in the Castle with a lock-in.
Castle and Hallcross were more of a mixed bag than Beethams,all the alternative types you'd to go there. If you went yo Beethams and didn't have long hair,you looked out of place. I looked out of place!
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Lock ins were strange in The Castle, when you were ushered down to the back room, we spent most of our time in the middle room
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Bud and Margaret behind the bar in the Castle were total legends. Both now sadly gone!
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I've had a good long think about this and listing favourite albums in the 21st centuary...I just can't do it.
I can say I think Back to Black Amy Winehouse and whatever People Say by the Arctics are great albums but very retro. I think the Strokes started this whole fad of recreating a sound of the past with contemporary sensibilities. That first Strokes album was excellent too, ground breaking.
I can list other Artists who have produced great albums, Nas, Kanye West (I know) Common, Timbaland, Pharrel Williams. All hiphop.
And a lot in the electronic sphere. Plaid, Black Dog , Autechre, Hot Chip, Boards of....
The problem is in this world of Spotify, Soundcloud, YouTube and so on I pick up on individual tracks here and there. I don't listen to albums much. There are a few tracks by Working Mans Club I really like... But honestly, I've never listened to an album by them.
And having written all that, I still haven't listed any of the arists who have produced my favourite music because they just don't really go in for albums. Or if they do the albums don't live up to the singles.
And there is sooo much music around now. I mean, I love the theme tune to Detectorists by Johnny Flynn, in fact I like all the music in that show, even though folk is something I've never dabbled in before. It's just presented in the right way.
...and I'm sure Ed Seeran must be some kind of genius. He earns five million a year off the a Shape of You. But I just don't get it. Any of it. People hear something there but... What the f*** is it? Is he really happy? Does he really like this music, or is he just in it for the money?
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How we absorb music has completely changed. I went through my albums for my list and got stuck from about 2008 - with the odd exception - and had to turn to my laptop on for the rest. I'm glad vinyl is having a comeback though, you can't beat an actual record, although it's hipster popularity means what used to be 50p in a charity shop is now £50 online!
On Sheeran (don't get me started) someone cleverer than me said something along the lines of 'McDonalds outsells every other restaurant, but definitely doesn't serve the best meal'. It's mawkish and broad and dull.
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Ed f££k£ng Sheeran.
He reminds me of one of those utterly talentless people that upload shit music on YouTube.,but made money.
Reminds me of the Peter Crouch quote years ago when asked,
"What would you be if you weren't a footballer?"
"A virgin!"
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How we absorb music has completely changed. I went through my albums for my list and got stuck from about 2008 - with the odd exception - and had to turn to my laptop on for the rest. I'm glad vinyl is having a comeback though, you can't beat an actual record, although it's hipster popularity means what used to be 50p in a charity shop is now £50 online!
On Sheeran (don't get me started) someone cleverer than me said something along the lines of 'McDonalds outsells every other restaurant, but definitely doesn't serve the best meal'. It's mawkish and broad and dull.
On Sheeran (don't get me started) someone cleverer than me said something along the lines of 'McDonalds outsells every other restaurant, but definitely doesn't serve the best meal'. It's mawkish and broad and dull.
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Yes, I think that's true about Sheeran. It's probably the same reason why mass market car design is so uninspiring these days.
The original VW Golf wouldn't come out today, boxy with sharp confident Guigaro lines. Too risky. That said Honda did do their version of it for their small electric car. Softer though, less risky. Anyway, I digress.
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Digress?
That was fantastic RD we went from 3 albums to VW and Honda. ;)
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Bud and Margaret behind the bar in the Castle were total legends. Both now sadly gone!
Margaret was the best in town.
She could diffuse a situation in seconds then have everybody stay in their seat again.
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Went out with Margaret’s daughter for a while lovely family
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Really? I used to see them out and about together. Shopping around town,bingo at West End and occasionally in Good Comps.
Back to the thread,got tickets for Weller in the next few days and Nitin Sawhney at the R.A.H in October. :)
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Just moved a load of vinyl to the new house.
I can't believe I left Clandestino out from my 90s choice.
I saw Mano Negra in the 80s at the Leadmill and Reading Festival and have also been lucky enough to see Manu Chao 3xs since. Including an anti war concert in Merida on the guest list.
Probably the best gig I've ever been to
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So this thread made me realise again how members of this forum of a certain age love 80s electronic music... I have a few friends who can't get over it too
So I've created something just for you. William, Rob, Iberian.
https://soundcloud.com/user-483365661/iltempo3-m4a
I tried to get a bit of the flavour of 80s New Order and Pet Shop Boys in it and I was thinking of the kind of Italian disco they were listening to. Georgio Moroder, Klien and MBO. That sort of business. There's a bit of Larry Heard style on 808 too.
I failed a bit really because it's got big chords in this and back then a lot of the synths were monophonic and couldn't do it. Still, I think it was working, so I went with it.
My mate says he really likes it, I hope he's not just being nice.
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Bump.
Only because I notice nobody has checked this out yet... And it's not that often someone tries to do something nice for you lot.
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Just checked it out but as I’m nearly 75 it’s not really my first choice in music.
I’m much more of a 60s man but it was pleasant enough.
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So this thread made me realise again how members of this forum of a certain age love 80s electronic music... I have a few friends who can't get over it too
So I've created something just for you. William, Rob, Iberian.
https://soundcloud.com/user-483365661/iltempo3-m4a
I tried to get a bit of the flavour of 80s New Order and Pet Shop Boys in it and I was thinking of the kind of Italian disco they were listening to. Georgio Moroder, Klien and MBO. That sort of business. There's a bit of Larry Heard style on 808 too.
I failed a bit really because it's got big chords in this and back then a lot of the synths were monophonic and couldn't do it. Still, I think it was working, so I went with it.
My mate says he really likes it, I hope he's not just being nice.
Missed this. I'll have a listen tomorrow. And ta in advance.
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So this thread made me realise again how members of this forum of a certain age love 80s electronic music... I have a few friends who can't get over it too
So I've created something just for you. William, Rob, Iberian.
https://soundcloud.com/user-483365661/iltempo3-m4a
I tried to get a bit of the flavour of 80s New Order and Pet Shop Boys in it and I was thinking of the kind of Italian disco they were listening to. Georgio Moroder, Klien and MBO. That sort of business. There's a bit of Larry Heard style on 808 too.
I failed a bit really because it's got big chords in this and back then a lot of the synths were monophonic and couldn't do it. Still, I think it was working, so I went with it.
My mate says he really likes it, I hope he's not just being nice.
Good effort RD!
Had a listen this morning as the sun was coming up. Repotting jasmin plants at the time and it had that chilled feeling to it.
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Just checked it out but as I’m nearly 75 it’s not really my first choice in music.
I’m much more of a 60s man but it was pleasant enough.
Idler,it would be interesting to see your album choices.
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Any feedback is interesting. I don't mind if it's negative at all. A "chilled feeling" is great because that's not what I was trying to achieve. Work to be done.
It's interesting how people perceive it.
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Just checked it out but as I’m nearly 75 it’s not really my first choice in music.
I’m much more of a 60s man but it was pleasant enough.
I know where you are coming from so "pleasant enough" will do for me.
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RD. I tried to listen to it but it says "something went wrong". I think SoundCloud has a short shelf life.
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Bump.
Only because I notice nobody has checked this out yet... And it's not that often someone tries to do something nice for you lot.
I thought that was rather good. Fischerspooner remixed by Zero7 vibe. Well done RD, we’ve got some talented folk among us!
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Bump.
Only because I notice nobody has checked this out yet... And it's not that often someone tries to do something nice for you lot.
I thought that was rather good. Fischerspooner remixed by Zero7 vibe. Well done RD, we’ve got some talented folk among us!
Cheers. I don't know Fischerspooner but the name sounds German techno, so I guess I might like it.
My mate said it reminds him of Carl Craig... I don't really get that but who knows.
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Any feedback is interesting. I don't mind if it's negative at all. A "chilled feeling" is great because that's not what I was trying to achieve. Work to be done.
It's interesting how people perceive it.
RD. The chilled feeling was more to do with my mood than tune!
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I did listen to it when you first posted it but it's not my kind of music, A for effort though.
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Can I start by saying 2 things
Over 90% of my album/cd collection comprises of official and unofficial(bootleg) Bob Dylan
For Christmas 1963 my Mum bought me a Dansette record player and 3 albums
Gerry and the Pacemakers - How do you like it
Freddie and the Dreamers - self titled
Beatles - Please please me
I wish I had kept them
Here goes then
1960's
Songs of Leonard Cohen
Then Play on - Fleetwood Mac
Truth - Jeff Beck
1970's
Concert for Bangla Desh - George Harrison and Friends
Live Taste - Taste
Hunky Dory - Bowie
1980's
Bach enStock - Micamac
Official Blues Band Bootleg Album - Blues Band
Travelling Wilburys Vol1 - Travelling Wilburys
1990's
Woody Guthrie Library of Congress Recordings - Woody Guthrie
Convict Blues Leadbelly
Complete Collection - Robert Johnson
2000's
Neon Bible - Arcade Fire
Final Straw - Snow Patrol
Dog house Music - Seasick Steve
2010
Police Dog Hogan - self titled
Going Back Home - Wilko Johnson and Roger Daltry
Naathaniel Rateliff and The Night Sweats - self titled
2020's
Rough and Rowdy Ways
Springtime in New York
Shadow Kingdom
All Bob Dylan, Sorry I haven't bought anything by anyone else so far this Decade
In some cases they are older recordings ie Woody Guthrie was from the 1940's released in the 60's but I only came across it in a small record store in a back street in Nottingham so it was in the decade I bought it/them that I listed it. The vast majority of my collection is 60/70s so it became difficult for me I have had to leave out many bands Led Zepp, Jimi, Byrds, Neil Young, Cream, Paul Butterfield and many others
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Fellow RD, not my cup of tea but you’ve done something there that I wouldn’t know where to start so for that I salute you.
On a side note I had to fork out more so my wife could have a separate Amazon account (on Amazon music), got fed up of Ed Sheeran or Adele popping up really wound me up
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70’s
Rising- Rainbow
Bat out of Hell- Meatloaf
Parallel Lines- Blondie
80’s
Argybargy- Squeeze
Duke -Genesis
Zenatta Mondatta- Police
After the 80,s lost interest in that techno shite
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Can I start by saying 2 things
Over 90% of my album/cd collection comprises of official and unofficial(bootleg) Bob Dylan
For Christmas 1963 my Mum bought me a Dansette record player and 3 albums
Gerry and the Pacemakers - How do you like it
Freddie and the Dreamers - self titled
Beatles - Please please me
I wish I had kept them
Here goes then
1960's
Songs of Leonard Cohen
Then Play on - Fleetwood Mac
Truth - Jeff Beck
1970's
Concert for Bangla Desh - George Harrison and Friends
Live Taste - Taste
Hunky Dory - Bowie
1980's
Bach enStock - Micamac
Official Blues Band Bootleg Album - Blues Band
Travelling Wilburys Vol1 - Travelling Wilburys
1990's
Woody Guthrie Library of Congress Recordings - Woody Guthrie
Convict Blues Leadbelly
Complete Collection - Robert Johnson
2000's
Neon Bible - Arcade Fire
Final Straw - Snow Patrol
Dog house Music - Seasick Steve
2010
Police Dog Hogan - self titled
Going Back Home - Wilko Johnson and Roger Daltry
Naathaniel Rateliff and The Night Sweats - self titled
2020's
Rough and Rowdy Ways
Springtime in New York
Shadow Kingdom
All Bob Dylan, Sorry I haven't bought anything by anyone else so far this Decade
In some cases they are older recordings ie Woody Guthrie was from the 1940's released in the 60's but I only came across it in a small record store in a back street in Nottingham so it was in the decade I bought it/them that I listed it. The vast majority of my collection is 60/70s so it became difficult for me I have had to leave out many bands Led Zepp, Jimi, Byrds, Neil Young, Cream, Paul Butterfield and many others
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Good choices Raven. I've got Leonard Cohen from the 60s and Bowie,George Harrison from the 70s in my collection too.
You mentioned Neil Young too. About 30+ years ago I was offered something like £250 for a cd I had.
He had everything Neil Young had released apart from the cd. The reason being a bloke from Doncaster worked for WEA at the time and gave it to me. It was called On the Turntable or something similar and was a promo for the Weld album. All black cover without his name on it(not even the spine) and only very faint lettering for the track list on the back. Nothing on the actual cd at all(horrible to find after a few beers). I still have it. However it would be worth a hell of a lot more if it was vinyl rather than cd.
Maybe I should've sold it,but I'm glad I didn't.
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70’s
Rising- Rainbow
Bat out of Hell- Meatloaf
Parallel Lines- Blondie
80’s
Argybargy- Squeeze
Duke -Genesis
Zenatta Mondatta- Police
After the 80,s lost interest in that techno shite
Filo
Not everything went techno after the 80s. There's been some great rock/alternative albums released since.
They just don't get airplay anymore
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70’s
Rising- Rainbow
Bat out of Hell- Meatloaf
Parallel Lines- Blondie
80’s
Argybargy- Squeeze
Duke -Genesis
Zenatta Mondatta- Police
After the 80,s lost interest in that techno shite
Filo great choices
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Just read this thread for the first time. Can't answer the actual Q as I'm a long, long way from any LP. But I can tell you that Marillion, mentioned on Page 1, post Fish, have a lead singer by the name of Steven Hogarth. He's from Ardeen Road in Intake and I sat next to him for several years trying to understand Maths at Danum Grammar. If you look him up on Wikipedia he lies about his age. He did GCE's in 1972 and A levels in 1974 - if he stayed on. I can't remember. He lives not very far from me near Oxford. He was keyboard player in The Europeans too. Entirely, entirely self taught musically.
BobG
PS. He had 2 drop dead gorgeous sisters too.
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70’s
Ramones - Ramones
Aerosmith - Toys I’m the Attic
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
80’s
Bad Brains - Rock for Light
Ministry - The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste
Judge - Bringing it down
90’s
Alice in Chains - Dirt
Faith no More - Angel Dust
Kyuss - Welcome to Sky Valley
I could’ve picked dozens and dozens from the 90’s. What a time to be alive. I was obsessed with music. Things got muddy after that. Started to spend all my money on less important things like food and nappies!! Ha ha.
00’s
The Bronx - ll
Queens of the Stoneage - Songs for the Deaf
Pennywise - Reason to Believe
10’s
Mark Lanegan Band - Gargoyle
Tool - Fear Inoculum
Deftones - Diamond Eyes
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70’s
Rising- Rainbow
Bat out of Hell- Meatloaf
Parallel Lines- Blondie
80’s
Argybargy- Squeeze
Duke -Genesis
Zenatta Mondatta- Police
After the 80,s lost interest in that techno shite
Filo
Not everything went techno after the 80s. There's been some great rock/alternative albums released since.
They just don't get airplay anymore
I wouldn't say everything went techno. Techno was only really at the forefront of music for maybe ten years, particularly when synths and drum machines became affordable.
Everything did go digital though. When you can compose a symphony on a lap top, that's amazing.
I would guess there aren't many kids now, who are into music who aren't getting to grips with a Digital Audio Workstation as soon as they can. Even the ones who want to play folk mandolin are probably recording traditional instruments and building a track on a computer. Why wouldn't they, it's a whole professional music studio in your bedroom.