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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on August 26, 2023, 09:17:29 pm
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A big game for the club even though Everton are looking a poor Premiership team they will be hot favourites to beat us easily whatever team they turn out.
What we really need to do is forget all that, it is cup football teams like us can play way above their normal league form in cups and have a go, put them under pressure, they have nothing to win in the game, and give our supporters something to cheer.
Will we make changes? I am not even going to have a guess, but I wouldn't be trying to play out from the back against the pace of a premiership side, none have slow forwards.
Both managers will be looking for a win to get their season started, both good managers being dealt a poor hand by the looks of it, and will be hoping for a run in one of the cups, But do they prioritise this game?. Both need a change of luck, and the supporters a glimmer of better things to come, but if we cause an upset it wiil cause more commotion than if we lost in the media.
So a big big game for basically the wrong reasons that could have big repercussions especially at Everton, and could cause them undue pressure we might be able to exploit, hopefully a decent crowd, and we don't let ourselves down on TV.
Lot's to discuss about the game, one to look forward to, and will we be the talk of the town come Thursday morning? please have your say.
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Everton will put out a reasonably strong team.
All the pressure is on them and Dyche dare not lose this game.
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Premier league superstars vs bottom of league 2, on paper it should be a thrashing, and if they get an early goal I suspect it will be.
There is absolutely no pressure or expectation on us for this game, will be interesting to see how that impacts the performance.
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I reckon Everton may well play a strong side against Rovers given the poor start they've made .
Possibly only three or four changes in a bid to build some confidence I really don't see wholesale changes .
Tell you what though those Everton fans will be pretty angry right now and I remember when we played them at Oakwell about 8 years ago at this stage of the competition .
We were 2-0 up at half time and they'd a way better team then than they have today and they really got stuck in to their team as they walked past them to the dressing rooms at halftime , pretty toxic stuff to witness .
You never know because this round of the League Cup is a real graveyard for PL clubs especially away from home .
Get yourselves in front and watch those Evertonians turn on their team , it's some spectacle .
All the pressure really is on them .
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Tyke, back in 1991 Barnsley were at home to Everton in the FACup.
The MD of Barnsley based company I was then with was a Director of Barnsley FC and I was his Sales Director.
He asked me to invite some customers to the game and when I arrived I went in through the officials entrance.
I had a sheepskin coat on and had reasonably long hair and for some reason a group of young Barnsley fans thought I was Graham Sharpe and came over asking for my autograph.
Of course I obliged.
If I remember correctly the real Graham Sharpe scored the only goal that day.
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Tyke, back in 1991 Barnsley were at home to Everton in the FACup.
The MD of Barnsley based company I was then with was a Director of Barnsley FC and I was his Sales Director.
He asked me to invite some customers to the game and when I arrived I went in through the officials entrance.
I had a sheepskin coat on and had reasonably long hair and for some reason a group of young Barnsley fans thought I was Graham Sharpe and came over asking for my autograph.
Of course I obliged.
If I remember correctly the real Graham Sharpe scored the only goal that day.
He did indeed Hound .
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... and you were way faster than him !
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Everton need a win, in the highlights against Wolves had a few good chances, my guess a strong team to go for a win to give the team a bit of confidence after all it's only TLOD
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who are always generous in helping a struggling team and manager turn their season round
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I checked out their midfield youngsters hopefully Grant has also there's a hard tackling lad Djankpata been with them since he was 12 and qualifies for TOGO so hopefully it might be ok "to go" to Rovers
and the other young midfielder Luke Butterfield was either born in Scotland or Yorkshire depending on which bit of info you believe ( i have accidentally left the gate open with that !)
Remember we get them double bubble in that other competition so we could even pick one up in the January transfer window ?
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https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/team-vs-doncaster.118218/
Everton forum discussing the line up for this game
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Dyce is no mug. He'll put a good team out on Wednesday in hope they get a win on the board.
I just hope we play well & save embarrassment.
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We will win this.
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Difficult one for Everton this.
Lose and it heaps untold pressure on Dyce.
Play a full strength squad risking inquires when their prem season surely has to be their priority. They won’t win it either. Not a chance. So it’s a game they could do without.
Win win for rovers. Bonus game financially for the club in front of a decent crowd plus tv money. No one would expect us to win this. No pressure.
GM is also starting to have an effect I believe.
After watching them at MK, I do think they are turning a corner.
I’ve opted not to make the 150 mile round trip and instead will be watching it on the big screen in Ellenders bar at BUFC. A short walk from my house.
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I’d expect they go full strength. Would be nailed on for 1st sacking he they lose to bottom of L2.
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Onana and Doucoure might be gone before the game or not played as both are being linked with moves
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I think this is probably a Stoke City, Palace or Bolton cup game. Briefly in the game for a while but then the seniority of the other side tells and we get easily beaten. Will be very pleased if this is not the case!
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Everton play Sheffield United at the weekend and really need to win in the league,cannot see them risking many player's against us
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Would just like to get the game out of the way with no further injuries, if truth be told. Saturday is much more important and another hard game. We desperately need a win.
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Onana and Doucoure might be gone before the game or not played as both are being linked with moves
I haven't seen anything about Evertons Doucoure, do you Palace's Doucoure?
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Onana and Doucoure might be gone before the game or not played as both are being linked with moves
I haven't seen anything about Evertons Doucoure, do you Palace's Doucoure?
Yep, wrong one
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who are always generous in helping a struggling team and manager turn their season round
Why does it NEVER work the opposite way round I wonder ?
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We saw Grimsby win deservedly at St Mary’s last season when Southampton’s position was not unlike Everton’s now.
You might argue that Saints were “concentrating on the league”, but such a loss was the last thing they needed when they still had hope.
So provided we start well, a result is not inconceivable.
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Have we ever beaten Prem opposition at the Eco?
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Have we ever beaten Prem opposition at the Eco?
Certainly not in competitive games.
Closest we've gone is a 0-0 FA Cup draw vs Aston Villa in 2009, and a 2-2 FA Cup draw against Wolves in 2011, both when we were a Championship side. We lost both replays away from home.
I'm not counting academy/U21 teams in the sham cup either.
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What’s our best line up for tomorrow then? Not a clue what happens at right back… maybe put Olowu or Bobby there? Need Bailey in the middle.
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The team that played the second half on Saturday
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Can honestly see us winning, and it'll piss me off.
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Can honestly see us winning, and it'll piss me off.
Yeah I can see us all fuming leaving the ground, after a victory over a Premier league outfit.
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I see the Toffees are panicking....
Beto: Everton sign Portuguese striker from Udinese - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66644536
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It would be just typical us to go and beat them after failing miserably against teams in our own league.
I don’t expect to but if we somehow did I can see it being the turning point in the season.
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It would be just typical us to go and beat them after failing miserably against teams in our own league.
I don’t expect to but if we somehow did I can see it being the turning point in the season.
Just like the Hull game
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I keep thinking about the Man City league cup 2nd round game in 2005. I’d settle for a repeat of that. A great night.
If you’re hesitant about going just remember that cup run. We might get hammered by Everton of course but you just never know.
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who are always generous in helping a struggling team and manager turn their season round
And at helping a struggling striker get goals. They’ve signed a new striker so Maupay will start and get a hat trick.
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Day of the game against Premier League opposition, in a rare home game vs top opposition, and no more comments on the game (beyond where the sky trucks are parked, or whether first-time visitors can get tickets).
It feels a bit of a damp squib as a spectacle, judging by the level of excitement on here, but a good result tonight could be as big as a Man City / Villa all those years ago in my opinion. Not sure why it's not quite got us all going, maybe we're still a bit hungover from last couple of years?
Looking forward to tonight as a one-off, big game and a fuller stadium than we've seen since Grant was last here vs Charlton. Hopefully a good atmosphere and the lads can do us proud again.
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Around 900 tickets left in total.
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The number of tickets left are nearly as big as Salford’s gate, last night!
What have we got to moan about, other than being bottom of the EFL, loads on the injury list again and no more incomings ;)
The result doesn’t matter tonight, but Saturday’s does.
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From the Everton forum, https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/doncaster-rovers-vs-everton-wednesday-30th-august-2023-preview-motm.118212/
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“Doncaster are bottom of league two. We need to teach these crap bottom of the table teams a lesson.” :lol:
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I don't think it's unreasonable that there's not been a buzz about this.
We have been wanting for 32 months. (EDIT: I didn't type "wanting". I typed a 4 letter word that started "wan_*". That was an autocorrect. It works after a fashion, but doesn't really capture how utterly f**king wanting we have been.)
We are now is a worse spot than we have been for a quarter of a century.
Everton aren't that much of a catch these days, but in our hearts we are expecting that they'll do us five-nowt and we'll spend the night chasing shadows (and not chasing them very fast).
That's what I've been thinking anyroad.
But I'm just starting to get a little sex tingle as kick off approaches.
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From the Everton forum, https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/doncaster-rovers-vs-everton-wednesday-30th-august-2023-preview-motm.118212/
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“Doncaster are bottom of league two. We need to teach these crap bottom of the table teams a lesson.” :lol:
I think that may have gone over your head
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From the Everton forum, https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/doncaster-rovers-vs-everton-wednesday-30th-august-2023-preview-motm.118212/
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“Doncaster are bottom of league two. We need to teach these crap bottom of the table teams a lesson.” :lol:
I think that may have gone over your head
Looking at their posts, I think they might give us a run for our money in the Gallows Humour Stakes.
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Rovers 6/1 for the win . I was hoping for double figures .
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Rovers 6/1 for the win . I was hoping for double figures .
That's what I'm worried about.
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As long as we do better than Rotherham conceding 6, I'm happy.
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Pretty much irrespective of who Everton put out, the biggest challenge is our lack of fitness and inability to compete for anything like 90 minutes at League Two level. The Everton lads will have their conditioning fully optimised, and any Dyche side will have physicality and stamina hardwired. This will be full on physical mismatch.
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Has much as I would like us to win. I want us to come away from the game having put on a good display and having matched them, not stood off them and sat back looking not to concede, have a good go at it. I'd like the people who don't see league 2 football who are watching it on sky say "how the hell are they bottom of league 2"
I'd also like a set of Swedish au pairs to sit on my face but we can't have it all
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Nobody else getting a little sex tingle then?
Err...am I the only one who gets this before a big match?
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Rovers 6/1 for the win . I was hoping for double figures .
You can get 10/1 at the moment on the Betfair exchange
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I have a couple of Everton supporting mates. They have messaged me today saying they will get dumped tonight .
It’s going to be a very interesting game for sure.
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Nobody else getting a little sex tingle then?
Err...am I the only one who gets this before a big match?
I try to hold back my big game sex tingle until kick off. Otherwise I’m asleep before the game starts.
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The Christmas Day game in the early 50s was memorable for me because Syd Bycroft our centre half was engaged in battle throughout with the Everton centre forward. They continued the in the same robust fashion in the Boxing Day fixture at Goodison Park and I think they were both sent off.
I could not remember the result of the first game, but records show we won 3-1 and drew the return 1-1. In those days both Everton and Liverpool were fairly average (old) Division 2 sides.
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I don’t think Everton will be any great shakes but will at least be physically prepared to compete for 90minutes. We can’t manage that against League Two opponents so to be able to do this against elite / semi elite players would all things being equal be too much.
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And…we are seemingly starting with Olowu and Senior as our centre back pairing….
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And…we are seemingly starting with Olowu and Senior as our centre back pairing….
There will be goals then.
Both teams to score an absolute nailed on bet.
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Faulkner and Wood both on bench. Bit odd.
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Dyche is playing both Onana and Doucouré in midfield. Two absolute units with huge energy. Looking forward to watching this.
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Moore and Mcann both appear together on the pitch in the sky pre match chat. He has a nerve showing his face .
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Tbf they both walked out on us to local rivals.
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Dyche is playing both Onana and Doucouré in midfield. Two absolute units with huge energy. Looking forward to watching this.
Onana one hell of an athlete. Not sure what we can do against that with our midfield!
Some guile there with Garner too.
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How come nobody has mentioned that this game goes straight to penalties if it's a draw after 90 minutes (and the bits) IS IT SO OBVIOUS IT
it would be funny if we won on penalties with their Mr Mouth in goal and very unfunny if we got Mansfield in the next round (and Pickfords removal from the cup)
now for the lest we forget bit
against Tottenham virtually 14 years to the day we could have been 2-0 up after 5 minutes
there was a downpour and surface water just outside the penalty area a Rovers player passed the ball and it stuck in the water and Hudderstone scored to make it 1-0
FOR 14 YEARS I HAVE THOUGHT THERE WAS NO DRAINAGE AT HAT AREA OF THE PITCH MEANING THE GROUND WAS EXTRA HARD THERE ?? (as in potential injuries)
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/aug/26/carling-cup-doncaster-rovers-tottenham-hotspur
It was not as if Sean O'Driscoll's sweet passing Championship hosts were push-overs either. Instead Doncaster missed several decent chances and delighted in inducing defensive wobbles in a visiting backline featuring three natural full backs. With Carlo Cudicini making some splendid saves - those from James Hayter and John Oster were especially good - it could easily have ended 8-4.
"Doncaster played some great football," reflected Redknapp. "But I'm lucky that I've rested a lot of players yet we still had a very strong attacking line up. If David Bentley keeps working hard he'll get his chance."
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It could well be Bolton all over again. Big and brutal side just crushing us slowly. 4-0 feels about par I think.
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Very good start so far. We've had by far the better of the chances.
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Rovers the best team by a country mile and playing some impressive stuff .
Deservedly ahead , probably should be leading by more .
Everton certainly couldn't have any complaints if they were three down .
Very impressed with Rovers tonight .
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Oblowu looks like a different player in a 3 without wood
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We need to keep this up the longer we are winning the better the fans will really get on the Everton players backs
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Time to put some legs on? Roberts for Faal perhaps
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Roberts on for Tommy Rowe.
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Rovers just brought a 16 year old on
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Up to 80 mins this was an even contest
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Think we dropped off around the hour mark, then downhill from there. No way could we keep up that intensity. We can’t do it in League Two let alone against a Premier League side. This was a very good performance largely but a predictable result.
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Gueye coming on at half time was the difference, a very underrated player
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It could well be Bolton all over again. Big and brutal side just crushing us slowly. 4-0 feels about par I think.
It was anything but this.
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Gueye coming on at half time was the difference, a very underrated player
Not sure he’s underrated, he was playing for psg last season with messi, mbappe and Neymar
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Oblowu looks like a different player in a 3 without wood
Olowu wasn’t in a 3?
Senior and oluwu at cb with Maxwell on the left Bailey on the right
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Think we dropped off around the hour mark, then downhill from there. No way could we keep up that intensity. We can’t do it in League Two let alone against a Premier League side. This was a very good performance largely but a predictable result.
How anyone can comment with any tinge of negativity after that performance is beyond me
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Gueye coming on at half time was the difference, a very underrated player
Not sure he’s underrated, he was playing for psg last season with messi, mbappe and Neymar
If he was appreciated for what he does
he wouldn't have gone back to Everton
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Think we dropped off around the hour mark, then downhill from there. No way could we keep up that intensity. We can’t do it in League Two let alone against a Premier League side. This was a very good performance largely but a predictable result.
How anyone can comment with any tinge of negativity after that performance is beyond me
He's not being negative he's making an observation, and he's exactly right. They were non league for 65 mins then their premier league began to every so slightly show and they began to make those triangles and through balls. That's nothing negative against us. Just the way it is
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It was indeed exactly what happened. We were very good until around the hour mark, and then our intensity dropped and their substitutes allowed them to seize the momentum.
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Think we dropped off around the hour mark, then downhill from there. No way could we keep up that intensity. We can’t do it in League Two let alone against a Premier League side. This was a very good performance largely but a predictable result.
How anyone can comment with any tinge of negativity after that performance is beyond me
He's not being negative he's making an observation, and he's exactly right. They were non league for 65 mins then their premier league began to every so slightly show and they began to make those triangles and through balls. That's nothing negative against us. Just the way it is
They were non league because we made them look that way because of how well we played
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Gueye coming on at half time was the difference, a very underrated player
Not sure he’s underrated, he was playing for psg last season with messi, mbappe and Neymar
Idrissa Gueye didn’t play last season for PSG.
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Gueye coming on at half time was the difference, a very underrated player
Not sure he’s underrated, he was playing for psg last season with messi, mbappe and Neymar
Idrissa Gueye didn’t play last season for PSG.
Apologies
Season before.
And over 100 caps for his country
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You just needed another goal when you were leading and I think you would have beaten Everton last night .
Easy for many of the neutrals to say Everton were awful but Rovers made them look awful for two thirds of the game .
Plenty for Rovers to take from the game and build on .
Got away with it did Everton and probably they shouldn't have done .
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Well . As per the mk game . Lots and lots to be positive about . That was not two team three leagues apart . For 80 minutes I thought rovers more than matches Everton .
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Oblowu looks like a different player in a 3 without wood
Olowu wasn’t in a 3?
Senior and oluwu at cb with Maxwell on the left Bailey on the right
Look at it again he was part of a 4, sometimes a 3 and sometimes a 2. The defence changed all through the game
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You just needed another goal when you were leading and I think you would have beaten Everton last night .
Easy for many of the neutrals to say Everton were awful but Rovers made them look awful for two thirds of the game .
Plenty for Rovers to take from the game and build on .
Got away with it did Everton and probably they shouldn't have done .
A reminder for everyone that the vast majority of this team played an exceptionally close game vs Everton this year. They do have the ability and IF they want it they do have the fight.
We can come back IF we are more forceful off the ball and confident on it...it's like the injuries have become the excuse and not the reason for poor performances.
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You just needed another goal when you were leading and I think you would have beaten Everton last night .
Easy for many of the neutrals to say Everton were awful but Rovers made them look awful for two thirds of the game .
Plenty for Rovers to take from the game and build on .
Got away with it did Everton and probably they shouldn't have done .
A reminder for everyone that the vast majority of this team played an exceptionally close game vs Everton this year. They do have the ability and IF they want it they do have the fight.
We can come back IF we are more forceful off the ball and confident on it...it's like the injuries have become the excuse and not the reason for poor performances.
Those of us that went saw a very strong and uplifting performance at Peterborough also.
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My sentiments also - BUT the recent deluge of goals conceded that are in the main predictable and avoidable and have all featured Anderson and Olowu cannot be overlooked any longer.
Westbrooke and Broadbent are massive losses - Biggins and Tommy just not up to it.