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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on September 03, 2023, 02:34:07 pm
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
Is that the same Sophia Sleigh who writes for The Sun then?
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
Is that the same Sophia Sleigh who writes for The Sun then?
Given the link takes you to a story in The Sc*m then I am going for a yes.
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I've no idea what that has to do with anything. Unless Hound thinks the journalist is making it up.
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I mention it because I have seen numerous occasions when the said newspaper has been called out by certain regular posters as being unreliable with their information.
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Spot the dog whistle in the tweet that isn't in the article it links to!
There's your unreliability hound.
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
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Lovely use of the word agenda Ldr. Well done.
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
Do you believe everything it prints?
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
I haven't read the article, just the headline, but unless it gives more detail on mobilisation, arms, no of brigades/divisions/squadrons to be sent - I don't think Sunak is going to war on anyone anytime soon. So yup - another pretty good example of The Sc*m being unreliable I would say.
But it's intended readership will lap it up no doubt.
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
Some previous quotes from this forum. Is anyone up to claiming them?
"Anyone that buys the Sun needs their head examined. I wouldn't even believe the TV guide in that rag."
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"The Mail and Sun and Express have a long and established and inglorious record of lying to their readers. That's not up for debate. It's a fact. That is why I for one will treat any article from them that purports to set out facts with scorn."
"The Sun takes its readers for fools."
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"I think a better description of 'The Sun's readership' is brain dead poorly educated ......"
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
Some previous quotes from this forum. Is anyone up to claiming them?
"Anyone that buys the Sun needs their head examined. I wouldn't even believe the TV guide in that rag."
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"The Mail and Sun and Express have a long and established and inglorious record of lying to their readers. That's not up for debate. It's a fact. That is why I for one will treat any article from them that purports to set out facts with scorn."
"The Sun takes its readers for fools."
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"I think a better description of 'The Sun's readership' is brain dead poorly educated ......"
I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave earlier.
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
I haven't read the article, just the headline, but unless it gives more detail on mobilisation, arms, no of brigades/divisions/squadrons to be sent - I don't think Sunak is going to war on anyone anytime soon. So yup - another pretty good example of The Sc*m being unreliable I would say.
But it's intended readership will lap it up no doubt.
It’s about bikes wilts.
However it pedalled the right information to engage gear with the OP.
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
I haven't read the article, just the headline, but unless it gives more detail on mobilisation, arms, no of brigades/divisions/squadrons to be sent - I don't think Sunak is going to war on anyone anytime soon. So yup - another pretty good example of The Sc*m being unreliable I would say.
But it's intended readership will lap it up no doubt.
It’s about bikes wilts.
However it pedalled the right information to engage gear with the OP.
And to think he's probably the leading spokesman regarding the condemnation of Sun readers.
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
Do you believe everything it prints?
Nope
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
Judge it by what actually happens. Let's see if the policy is announced this week. Deal?
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
I haven't read the article, just the headline, but unless it gives more detail on mobilisation, arms, no of brigades/divisions/squadrons to be sent - I don't think Sunak is going to war on anyone anytime soon. So yup - another pretty good example of The Sc*m being unreliable I would say.
But it's intended readership will lap it up no doubt.
It’s about bikes wilts.
However it pedalled the right information to engage gear with the OP.
And to think he's probably the leading spokesman regarding the condemnation of Sun readers.
As I'm sure you do understand, it's about intent.
I'm not sure what benefit there is for a Sun journalist to make this sort of story up. In fact, very, very few journalists ever make stories up. They embellish and they omit important facts, but they don't invent stories.
One did of course. He got sacked for it, but it didn't stop him becoming a Prime Minister that you supported to the hilt.
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
Do you believe everything it prints?
Nope
Then why are you getting snarky with other people who don't either?
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So the sun amongst others is unreliable and not to be trusted unless it says something that fits your agenda I guess
I haven't read the article, just the headline, but unless it gives more detail on mobilisation, arms, no of brigades/divisions/squadrons to be sent - I don't think Sunak is going to war on anyone anytime soon. So yup - another pretty good example of The Sc*m being unreliable I would say.
But it's intended readership will lap it up no doubt.
It’s about bikes wilts.
However it pedalled the right information to engage gear with the OP.
And to think he's probably the leading spokesman regarding the condemnation of Sun readers.
As I'm sure you do understand, it's about intent.
I'm not sure what benefit there is for a Sun journalist to make this sort of story up. In fact, very, very few journalists ever make stories up. They embellish and they omit important facts, but they don't invent stories.
One did of course. He got sacked for it, but it didn't stop him becoming a Prime Minister that you supported to the hilt.
Yes, but The Mail and Sun and Express have a long and established and inglorious record of lying to their readers, haven't they? Isn't that why you treat any article from them that purports to set out facts with scorn?
Besides, if The Sun take its readers for fools, why are you exempt as a reader of it yourself?
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the coup de grace has already been delivered bb no need for the feline to suffer yet another colonoscopy
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A Government that has run out of energy and ideas also falls back on the art of deliberately misleading the public.
James Cleverley here
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1700036735718010936/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1700036735718010936¤tTweetUser=SkyNews&mode=profile
"Prison escapes were 10 tines higher before this Govt came to power."
Sunak repeated that at PMQs today.
How bad must Labour have been then? Christ! TEN times!
What a job the Tories must have done to solve that disaster they inherited.
Well there's this thing called the Internet out there. And even though certain politicians haven't twigged yet, you can usually find the info to check these claims.
This time on Gov.uk of all places.
https://data.justice.gov.uk/prisons/public-protection/escapes
Isn't it about time this lot f**ked off and found some purpose in life beyond incompetence and misleading people?
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As if there weren't reasons enough.
I missed this one. The ex-Foreign Secretary and Minister for Exiting the EU telling a Select Committee he hadn't read through THE most important UK foreign policy document of the past 75 years.
For the record, the Belfast Agreement is 36 pages long. 7 of those pages are covers and contents lists. You could get through most of the substantive text while having a decent shite.
But not Dominic Raab. The Tory politician who first made his name writing a book where he complained that the British working class were idlers.
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As if there weren't reasons enough.
I missed this one. The ex-Foreign Secretary and Minister for Exiting the EU telling a Select Committee he hadn't read through THE most important UK foreign policy document of the past 75 years.
For the record, the Belfast Agreement is 36 pages long. 7 of those pages are covers and contents lists. You could get through most of the substantive text while having a decent shite.
But not Dominic Raab. The Tory politician who first made his name writing a book where he complained that the British working class were idlers.
You mean there’s more than me? ;)
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Apparently Raab is currently hawking his CV round the City in anticipation of getting hoyed out by the electorate next year.
I wonder what he wrote in the "Things I learned in my last job" section? That a surprisingly large amount of our exports go through Dover?
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When a Govt really runs into the buffers, they choose the sort of Kitson who shares this to run in a by election.
https://x.com/Elemjay1/status/1714615160281731095?s=20
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Oh Christ... I'm nit sure I have words to describe my despair after looking at that link...
I think I'd rather stay here in Colombia than suffer politicians who can think like that.
BobG
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That is hideous.
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When a Govt really runs into the buffers, they choose the sort of Kitson who shares this to run in a by election.
https://x.com/Elemjay1/status/1714615160281731095?s=20
The horrendous thing about that is no Party ever "loses" a By Election.
It's a protest vote against Govt , or our Vote share went up , or the Winners didn't do as well as the media predicted
Just imagine if this Bloke wins . He will be able to say (along with his Party) " we told the truth , we put the facts out there , it was ridiculed by MSM and social media, and yet it proves the British people got and get the message"
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Ahh. It's alright. He did that way back in the past.
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1714687235230961855
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
What happens when a potential new government comes to power and doesn't have any ideas ? , wouldn't that be worse ?
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Ahh. It's alright. He did that way back in the past.
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1714687235230961855
Oh , well that's ok then
In fact it's a wonder someone didn't come on the telly and say the classic " well what he was actually meaning when he said that was ....."
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
What happens when a potential new government comes to power and doesn't have any ideas ? , wouldn't that be worse ?
That's fine then Tyke. Don't vote Labour then be happy with yourself when a party full of Kitsons like this one stays in power.
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The Tory hard-core voters will probably turn out but I wonder if out 13 million hard core non voters might be motivated to get out and vote
13 bloody million who can't be a***d to vote.
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Ahh. It's alright. He did that way back in the past.
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1714687235230961855
Oh , well that's ok then
In fact it's a wonder someone didn't come on the telly and say the classic " well what he was actually meaning when he said that was ....."
He DIDNT win
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
What happens when a potential new government comes to power and doesn't have any ideas ? , wouldn't that be worse ?
That's fine then Tyke. Don't vote Labour then be happy with yourself when a party full of Kitsons like this one stays in power.
And going on yesterday's by elections your appeal to their traditional voters is outstanding .
Two absurd victories in the grand scheme of things .
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
What happens when a potential new government comes to power and doesn't have any ideas ? , wouldn't that be worse ?
That's fine then Tyke. Don't vote Labour then be happy with yourself when a party full of Kitsons like this one stays in power.
And going on yesterday's by elections your appeal to their traditional voters is outstanding .
Two absurd victories in the grand scheme of things .
Who'd have thought it? Labour has to attract voters to the right of Mao to win elections!
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Grand quote by the Chair of the Tory party.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1715268734288289833
They lost the by elections because of "legacy issues".
Aye. Like the fact that they've been an utter shit show in power for 13 years, led by an arrogant toff, a faulty bot, a criminal sociopathic liar, a faulty bot with serious psychiatric issues then someone described by COVID advisers as Dr Death.
Get them out for 20 years and let them reflect on what the hell they've done and whether they ever want to be a serious force again.
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
What happens when a potential new government comes to power and doesn't have any ideas ? , wouldn't that be worse ?
That's fine then Tyke. Don't vote Labour then be happy with yourself when a party full of Kitsons like this one stays in power.
And going on yesterday's by elections your appeal to their traditional voters is outstanding .
Two absurd victories in the grand scheme of things .
Who'd have thought it? Labour has to attract voters to the right of Mao to win elections!
Who'd have thought it , the ex student of left wing politics supporting neoliberalism .
Mind you they do say the older you get the more conservative you become .
You prove the point very well Billy
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A bit of self reflection right there tyke
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A bit of self reflection right there tyke
Gareth Keenan is alive and well. :that:
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Grand quote by the Chair of the Tory party.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1715268734288289833
They lost the by elections because of "legacy issues".
Aye. Like the fact that they've been an utter shit show in power for 13 years, led by an arrogant toff, a faulty bot, a criminal sociopathic liar, a faulty bot with serious psychiatric issues then someone described by COVID advisers as Dr Death.
Get them out for 20 years and let them reflect on what the hell they've done and whether they ever want to be a serious force again.
Genuine Question
Re:- the words in red am i to conclude that the last Labour Government was NOT "utter $hit in power" ? the language of your post seem to suggest the alternative.
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
What happens when a potential new government comes to power and doesn't have any ideas ? , wouldn't that be worse ?
That's fine then Tyke. Don't vote Labour then be happy with yourself when a party full of Kitsons like this one stays in power.
And going on yesterday's by elections your appeal to their traditional voters is outstanding .
Two absurd victories in the grand scheme of things .
Who'd have thought it? Labour has to attract voters to the right of Mao to win elections!
Who'd have thought it , the ex student of left wing politics supporting neoliberalism .
Mind you they do say the older you get the more conservative you become .
You prove the point very well Billy
There's one on my "far left generic insult" bingo card. I wonder how many people who use that term have any idea what it means?
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I despair. I really do....
BobG
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I despair. I really do....
BobG
You and me both Bob but I suspect for different reasons .
The same old failed system to be rehashed by the Labour Party .
That's the issue for me .
But Keith's austerity will somehow be different to the Tories .
The fat cats running our railways and their huge salaries and bonuses will somehow magically transform in to acceptable under Labour whilst the RMT members become poorer .
Our other former nationalised industries such as water will also be magically run in the interests of the people rather than shareholders under a Labour government even though the same political system remains in place .
The NHS wont be sold off bit by bit under Labour even though they are accepting donations from Private Healthcare providers .
You might also like to remind yourself Bob that the Labour Party is no longer a broad church due to its no tolerance policy with the left , it's a centre right neoliberal Party now hence the seats gained yesterday .
However don't blame me when the far right go to work over the next few years and capitalises on the discord especially in predominantly low paid areas of the country .
The people punching the air right now with the almost certainty of a Labour government will the first to start sqawking when the far right get going .
I'll be on here to remind them who created the conditions for the far right to become fertile .
You can count on it .
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
What happens when a potential new government comes to power and doesn't have any ideas ? , wouldn't that be worse ?
That's fine then Tyke. Don't vote Labour then be happy with yourself when a party full of Kitsons like this one stays in power.
And going on yesterday's by elections your appeal to their traditional voters is outstanding .
Two absurd victories in the grand scheme of things .
Who'd have thought it? Labour has to attract voters to the right of Mao to win elections!
Who'd have thought it , the ex student of left wing politics supporting neoliberalism .
Mind you they do say the older you get the more conservative you become .
You prove the point very well Billy
There's one on my "far left generic insult" bingo card. I wonder how many people who use that term have any idea what it means?
My apologies Billy , the Tories didn't really flip to Labour last week , they simply stayed at home instead with the actual Labour vote only increasing very slightly from 2019 .
Still a win is a win .
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
What happens when a potential new government comes to power and doesn't have any ideas ? , wouldn't that be worse ?
That's fine then Tyke. Don't vote Labour then be happy with yourself when a party full of Kitsons like this one stays in power.
And going on yesterday's by elections your appeal to their traditional voters is outstanding .
Two absurd victories in the grand scheme of things .
Who'd have thought it? Labour has to attract voters to the right of Mao to win elections!
Who'd have thought it , the ex student of left wing politics supporting neoliberalism .
Mind you they do say the older you get the more conservative you become .
You prove the point very well Billy
There's one on my "far left generic insult" bingo card. I wonder how many people who use that term have any idea what it means?
My apologies Billy , the Tories didn't really flip to Labour last week , they simply stayed at home instead with the actual Labour vote only increasing very slightly from 2019 .
Still a win is a win .
I basically agree with that Tyke the tories just stayed at home, as a protest, but they'll be out at the next General Election when the results really matter
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
What happens when a potential new government comes to power and doesn't have any ideas ? , wouldn't that be worse ?
That's fine then Tyke. Don't vote Labour then be happy with yourself when a party full of Kitsons like this one stays in power.
And going on yesterday's by elections your appeal to their traditional voters is outstanding .
Two absurd victories in the grand scheme of things .
Who'd have thought it? Labour has to attract voters to the right of Mao to win elections!
Who'd have thought it , the ex student of left wing politics supporting neoliberalism .
Mind you they do say the older you get the more conservative you become .
You prove the point very well Billy
There's one on my "far left generic insult" bingo card. I wonder how many people who use that term have any idea what it means?
My apologies Billy , the Tories didn't really flip to Labour last week , they simply stayed at home instead with the actual Labour vote only increasing very slightly from 2019 .
Still a win is a win .
I basically agree with that Tyke the tories just stayed at home, as a protest, but they'll be out at the next General Election when the results really matter
You might both want that to happen. But that's not what the polls are saying.
They are saying that Labour has consistently gained the support of 12-15% of those who voted Tory in 2019, along with 40% of those who voted LD.
Only about 45% of those who voted Tory last time are currently saying they will definitely vote for them next year. Even if all the 30-35% of those voters who currently register as Don't Know, Won't Vote or Farage supporters all come back to the Tories (plot spoiler: they won't), they'd only have about 33-34% of the total vote. That'd be nowhere near enough for the Tories to win.
The point that Tyke refuses to address is that for Labour to win big next year, they have to attract a decent share of voters who supported the Tories and LDs last time. They are currently doing that consistently.
That's democracy, like it or not. That's what you have to do to win.
Or you could just complain that Labour doesn't give you exactly what you want, and let the Tories have another 5 years.
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When you read about the utter shites that the Tories put forward as MPs, and the Cabinet so devoid of talent that Grant Shapps is a big hitter, think about this and ask yourself what the living f**k they have been doing this last 13 years.
https://x.com/t0nyyates/status/1718574310992847258?s=20
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It's missing roads, housing, interest rates and inflation too.....
BobG
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And prisons and the legal system as someone says in the replies to that tweet.
The entire public sphere has been left to rot away by this bunch of f**king spivs and chancers. We are back to where we were when the Tories were hoofed out in 1997. It's very easy to forget just how much better public services were by 2010. And now, a Labour govt is going to have to do all that heavy lifting over again.
These incompetent bas**rds should never be allowed near power again.
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And prisons and the legal system as someone says in the replies to that tweet.
The entire public sphere has been left to rot away by this bunch of f**king spivs and chancers. We are back to where we were when the Tories were hoofed out in 1997. It's very easy to forget just how much better public services were by 2010. And now, a Labour govt is going to have to do all that heavy lifting over again.
These incompetent bas**rds should never be allowed near power again.
An yes I remember it well, Champagne parties, massive all you could eat buffets, first class Train Jollies to London for ‘Events’ , the Massine baskets of fruit at meetings at The mansion house, yes we need all that Bach again!
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And prisons and the legal system as someone says in the replies to that tweet.
The entire public sphere has been left to rot away by this bunch of f**king spivs and chancers. We are back to where we were when the Tories were hoofed out in 1997. It's very easy to forget just how much better public services were by 2010. And now, a Labour govt is going to have to do all that heavy lifting over again.
These incompetent bas**rds should never be allowed near power again.
An yes I remember it well, Champagne parties, massive all you could eat buffets, first class Train Jollies to London for ‘Events’ , the Massine baskets of fruit at meetings at The mansion house, yes we need all that Bach again!
I sometimes think we actually don't deserve competent Government in this country. There are so many people, like Sproty here, who are determined to ignore facts and go on gut prejudice when it comes to deciding who to vote for.
So forget the fact that by the late 90s, the rail system was literally falling apart after two decades of lack of investment from the Tories. That under the Labour Govt, that investment had to be found and poured into the system after a spate of horrific crashes. That by 2010 we had a rail system we could begin to trust to be punctual and safe. And that as of now, it's falling apart again, with record levels of cancellations.
Or forget what happened with the NHS
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/133a0b_6279ca23c91643d0a7053b1270464d41~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_640,h_502,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/133a0b_6279ca23c91643d0a7053b1270464d41~mv2.jpg)
Or schools investment.
(https://fullfact.org/media/uploads/Per_pupil_spend_graph_Sept_2019.PNG)
Yep. Forget all that. Just make some lame wisecrack and don't engage with facts.
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...runs out of ideas about how to manage the big things, they start lashing out at irrelevant fluff.
Anyone over 40 might remember John Major putting on his serious face and announcing the Cones Hotline.
Here's Sunak walking in the same footsteps.
https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1698057255411704074
Well. He's done it today.
Can you imagine the meeting where they decided what was going in the King's Speech.
Sunak: Anything on the economy? Anyone?
Silence.
Sunak: NHS?
Silence.
Sunak: Defence policy in light of the threat from Russia.
Mumbling and looking at feet.
Sunak: f**k it - let's clamp down on rickshaws then.
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I went to school with Rick Shaw.
He’s not happy with the speech.
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I once worked with a man called Robert Sewell. He didn't have much time for his parents.
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Update from the Covid enquiry:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67360460
A quote:
Mr Case, who at the time was permanent secretary at No 10, compared working in the Johnson government to "taming wild animals".
Mr Case added that unnamed advisers to the former prime minister were "basically feral".
"I have the bite marks," Lord Sedwill replied.
In another exchange between the two men, he writes: "Hancock is so far up [Mr Johnson's] arse his ankles are brown."
In further WhatsApp messages shown to the inquiry, Lord Sedwill appears to describe Mr Hancock as "totally incompetent" over his remarks on Dominic Cummings's controversial trip to Barnard Castle in the spring of that year.
He added that the "idiocy" of Mr Hancock's response, as well as then-attorney general Suella Braverman, risked undermining Covid laws,
Nice to know the Conservative Party is in such good hands.
Regards
BobG
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''On 12 October 2021, Hancock announced his appointment as the United Nations Economic Commission for Africa special representative for financial innovation and climate change,[107] an unpaid position advising the Commission on the African economy's recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic.[108] Four days later,[109] the United Nations announced on 16 October that the offer had been rescinded''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Hancock
Maybe it's time for him to resign from parliament
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I once worked with a man called Robert Sewell. He didn't have much time for his parents.
I had a Richard Sewell in my class at school. You’d have thought the parents would have twigged.
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I had a lad called Wayne Kerr in my year at school.
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I had a lad called Wayne Kerr in my year at school.
I used to work with a Joe Kerr as well!
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Stephen King has a son called Joe.
I’m not joking.
But he is.
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They promise the world deliver nothing and then put up taxes and spend other peoples money until it runs out.
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They promise the world deliver nothing and then put up taxes and spend other peoples money until it runs out.
Well, they'll be booted out next year, so onwards and upwards, eh?
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A metaphor for the government and privatisation ...........
''Thames Water pumped at least 72bn litres of sewage into Thames since 2020''
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/10/thames-water-pumped-sewage-into-thames
that's the last time I'll believe what tony robinson says
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They really haven't got a clue what they are doing have they?
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1722763335622427092
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Another bit of lashing out that a Government does when it has lost any sense of purpose.
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1731722671052792004
It smacks in the face one of the most successful export industries that Britain has. Our universities punch massively above their weight worldwide and the economy gets a boost of about £40bn per year because of overseas students signing up for degree courses.
Now the Govt is taking pride in telling bigots in Boston that we will insist on overseas students leaving their wives and kids at home if they want to have the privilege of paying us several £10s of thousands a year to buy into our courses.
Every time you think they've scraped the bottom of the barrel in their stupid nastiness, they dig a little bit deeper.
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Christ it gets worse.
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1731722660256665864
"Please come and wipe the shitty arses of our racist old folk, but if you do, you must live alone."
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Christ it gets worse.
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1731722660256665864
"Please come and wipe the shitty arses of our racist old folk, but if you do, you must live alone."
You really should be more respectful towards old people bst.
Why are you always suggesting they are racist.
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And to put the icing on the cake of their unhinged nastiness, get this.
A British citizen, falling in love with and marrying a foreigner, will not be able to bring their spouse to the UK unless their income is in the top 27% in the country.
I've had to double and triple check that because it is evil beyond anything that I thought they were capable of. But apparently that is what they are doing.
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This is short sighted madness from the Tories
Migrants must earn over £38k before coming to the UK?!
How many current and projected skill shortages fall under that £38k threshold?
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Unfortunately the gov't is on 'spot fire' duty and has been for a while with no coherent long term stable plan for investment, growth and training.
16 February 2022
''In October, Boris Johnson pledged a shift towards a “high-wage, high-skill, high-productivity economy” amid falling real wages and a rising cost of living. And it is true that, in theory, the post-pandemic economy could be an opportunity for a skills revolution, with workers upgrading to fill the high-skilled occupations of the “levelled-up” green economy.
But labour market economists say the data reveals a different picture. Early figures suggest that those in low-skill, low-pay work are struggling to move into higher-paid roles, and the current infrastructure for adult education and retraining is falling far short of what is needed''
https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/economic-growth/skills/2022/02/boris-johnsons-plan-for-high-wage-high-skill-britain-is-falling-short
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
Disgusting.
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I know the usual crew on here won't accept this, but I genuinely hope that is a misreading of the actual policy. I'm struggling to imagine that any UK Govt could be that vicious and heartless and I'd be delighted if I've misunderstood it.
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Granted there's no link but from posts on twitter looks like you can put a price on love
Clarification from Home Office that the £38,000 income threshold for UK citizens wishing to bring a spouse applies to "the income from the UK-based partner" NOT joint income. Concern this effectively means only those among the top 25% of earners can afford to marry a foreigner
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
Why should they?
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
Why should they?
If I fell in love with someone from another country and wanted to share my life with them in that country, then I would embrace citizenship of that country, if that was the requirement for me to do so.
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
Why should they?
If I fell in love with someone from another country and wanted to share my life with them in that country, then I would embrace citizenship of that country, if that was the requirement for me to do so.
Actually, you wouldn't if your spouse earned less that £38k and that country was ours.
One of the requirements for taking UK citizenship through marriage is that you have to be resident in the UK for 3 years. But this Govt has just made it illegal for someone to bring their non-UK spouse to the UK if they earn less than £38k. So they cannot meet the residency requirement.
This is very personal for me. It means my father-in-law would not have been allowed to live in this country, and as a result, I'd never have met my wife.
All because of these Kitsons, pandering to racist Kitsons.
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
Why should they?
If I fell in love with someone from another country and wanted to share my life with them in that country, then I would embrace citizenship of that country, if that was the requirement for me to do so.
Actually, you wouldn't if your spouse earned less that £38k and that country was ours.
One of the requirements for taking UK citizenship through marriage is that you have to be resident in the UK for 3 years. But this Govt has just made it illegal for someone to bring their non-UK spouse to the UK if they earn less than £38k.
That’s a different argument to your ‘why should they?’ question that I responded to.
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
Why should they?
If I fell in love with someone from another country and wanted to share my life with them in that country, then I would embrace citizenship of that country, if that was the requirement for me to do so.
Actually, you wouldn't if your spouse earned less that £38k and that country was ours.
One of the requirements for taking UK citizenship through marriage is that you have to be resident in the UK for 3 years. But this Govt has just made it illegal for someone to bring their non-UK spouse to the UK if they earn less than £38k. So they cannot meet the residency requirement.
This is very personal for me. It means my father-in-law would not have been allowed to live in this country, and as a result, I'd never have met my wife.
All because of these Kitsons, pandering to racist Kitsons.
More importantly Billy, I wonder if Mo Faal’s parent(s) were earning 38k when they came to England?
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
Why should they?
If I fell in love with someone from another country and wanted to share my life with them in that country, then I would embrace citizenship of that country, if that was the requirement for me to do so.
Actually, you wouldn't if your spouse earned less that £38k and that country was ours.
One of the requirements for taking UK citizenship through marriage is that you have to be resident in the UK for 3 years. But this Govt has just made it illegal for someone to bring their non-UK spouse to the UK if they earn less than £38k.
That’s a different argument to your ‘why should they?’ question that I responded to.
I stand by that.
Why should a person be forced to choose between a person they love and a country that they may love, just because a bunch of Kitsons are pandering to racist Kitsons?
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Australia has very strict rules on immigration into their country.
Maybe syd can enlighten us with things which might prevent Aus residents bringing loved ones into the country.
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
Why should they?
If I fell in love with someone from another country and wanted to share my life with them in that country, then I would embrace citizenship of that country, if that was the requirement for me to do so.
Actually, you wouldn't if your spouse earned less that £38k and that country was ours.
One of the requirements for taking UK citizenship through marriage is that you have to be resident in the UK for 3 years. But this Govt has just made it illegal for someone to bring their non-UK spouse to the UK if they earn less than £38k.
That’s a different argument to your ‘why should they?’ question that I responded to.
I stand by that.
Why should a person be forced to choose between a person they love and a country that they may love, just because a bunch of Kitsons are pandering to racist Kitsons?
Billy, I know you are probably emotionally driven by this, but your blanket racism accusations are uncalled for.
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
Why should they?
If I fell in love with someone from another country and wanted to share my life with them in that country, then I would embrace citizenship of that country, if that was the requirement for me to do so.
Actually, you wouldn't if your spouse earned less that £38k and that country was ours.
One of the requirements for taking UK citizenship through marriage is that you have to be resident in the UK for 3 years. But this Govt has just made it illegal for someone to bring their non-UK spouse to the UK if they earn less than £38k.
That’s a different argument to your ‘why should they?’ question that I responded to.
I stand by that.
Why should a person be forced to choose between a person they love and a country that they may love, just because a bunch of Kitsons are pandering to racist Kitsons?
Billy, I know you are probably emotionally driven by this, but your blanket racism accusations are uncalled for.
Come on belton, at least he didn't say shitty old racist folk like he did recently.
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
Why should they?
If I fell in love with someone from another country and wanted to share my life with them in that country, then I would embrace citizenship of that country, if that was the requirement for me to do so.
Actually, you wouldn't if your spouse earned less that £38k and that country was ours.
One of the requirements for taking UK citizenship through marriage is that you have to be resident in the UK for 3 years. But this Govt has just made it illegal for someone to bring their non-UK spouse to the UK if they earn less than £38k.
That’s a different argument to your ‘why should they?’ question that I responded to.
I stand by that.
Why should a person be forced to choose between a person they love and a country that they may love, just because a bunch of Kitsons are pandering to racist Kitsons?
Billy, I know you are probably emotionally driven by this, but your blanket racism accusations are uncalled for.
Why else do you think they are doing it?
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For anyone to say that elderly infirm residents in care homes are racists is beyond reprehensible.
I can't believe what I read on here at times.
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I imagine they are doing it to change the way immigration works in Britain, which was a big focus of Brexit.
I don’t agree with it, by the way, but I imagine that’s why they are doing it.
I also think that there will be many people who would be happy to see such stricter rules in place who aren’t racist.
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For anyone to say that elderly infirm residents in care homes are racists is beyond reprehensible.
I can't believe what I read on here at times.
Poll after poll after poll shows that the largest group by far who want to reduce immigration is over 65s.
I commented last night on the bitter irony that the very people who need immigrants to service the care sector are also the very people who support this rancid Government when they say those immigrants have to live without their families.
I said that attitude was "I'm fine for you to wipe my shitty arse as long as you accept having to live without your family."
Explain to me where the logic breaks down there. And why that isn't the very definition of racism.
Interesting that you think pointing out that fact is beyond reprehensible SS, but you haven't a word of criticism for the disgusting policies themselves.
PS. I do not say these things lightly. But there's a reason why this awful Government is enacting these measures. It's because they know that's how they whip up their support. And it's a fact that their support comes predominantly from pensioners. I do not, of course, think that all pensioners are racist. But I fail to see how anyone can support these policies and claim not to be racist.
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Belton.
Run it by me how someone could bar a British citizen living with the foreign person they have committed their life to because they earned less than the top 27% of earners in the country, without being racist?
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Belton.
Run it by me how someone could bar a British citizen living with the foreign person they have committed their life to because they earned less than the top 27% of earners in the country, without being racist?
So would you be happy to bar them if the threshold was lower?
If I was an unemployed scrounger who fell in love with an unemployed scrounger from another country, should they be allowed to come and sponge with me in the name of love?
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The level before yesterday was about at that of the minimum wage. That seems fair, in an environment of pretty much full employment, there's not much wrong with expecting someone at least to be able to get a minimum wage job.
Setting the bar at a level that 73% of the workforce don't hit is barbaric.
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For anyone to say that elderly infirm residents in care homes are racists is beyond reprehensible.
I can't believe what I read on here at times.
Poll after poll after poll shows that the largest group by far who want to reduce immigration is over 65s.
I commented last night on the bitter irony that the very people who need immigrants to service the care sector are also the very people who support this rancid Government when they say those immigrants have to live without their families.
I said that attitude was "I'm fine for you to wipe my shitty arse as long as you accept having to live without your family."
Explain to me where the logic breaks down there. And why that isn't the very definition of racism.
Interesting that you think pointing out that fact is beyond reprehensible SS, but you haven't a word of criticism for the disgusting policies themselves.
PS. I do not say these things lightly. But there's a reason why this awful Government is enacting these measures. It's because they know that's how they whip up their support. And it's a fact that their support comes predominantly from pensioners. I do not, of course, think that all pensioners are racist. But I fail to see how anyone can support these policies and claim not to be racist.
you actually said "shitty old racist folk" bst.
You regularly post derisory comments about old people.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You often back down afterwards, like this time, but deep down you really don't like pensioners.
And you wonder why such as myself don't like your general attitude on this forum.
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This is real people having their lives f**ked up by this bunch playing to racist supporters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67630258
Simply disgusting.
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For anyone to say that elderly infirm residents in care homes are racists is beyond reprehensible.
I can't believe what I read on here at times.
Poll after poll after poll shows that the largest group by far who want to reduce immigration is over 65s.
I commented last night on the bitter irony that the very people who need immigrants to service the care sector are also the very people who support this rancid Government when they say those immigrants have to live without their families.
I said that attitude was "I'm fine for you to wipe my shitty arse as long as you accept having to live without your family."
Explain to me where the logic breaks down there. And why that isn't the very definition of racism.
Interesting that you think pointing out that fact is beyond reprehensible SS, but you haven't a word of criticism for the disgusting policies themselves.
PS. I do not say these things lightly. But there's a reason why this awful Government is enacting these measures. It's because they know that's how they whip up their support. And it's a fact that their support comes predominantly from pensioners. I do not, of course, think that all pensioners are racist. But I fail to see how anyone can support these policies and claim not to be racist.
Because I don't criticise policies doesn't mean I agree with them. We're so near a GE now that it's pointless getting stressed out over policies that a Labour government will reverse.
Or will they?
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For anyone to say that elderly infirm residents in care homes are racists is beyond reprehensible.
I can't believe what I read on here at times.
Poll after poll after poll shows that the largest group by far who want to reduce immigration is over 65s.
I commented last night on the bitter irony that the very people who need immigrants to service the care sector are also the very people who support this rancid Government when they say those immigrants have to live without their families.
I said that attitude was "I'm fine for you to wipe my shitty arse as long as you accept having to live without your family."
Explain to me where the logic breaks down there. And why that isn't the very definition of racism.
Interesting that you think pointing out that fact is beyond reprehensible SS, but you haven't a word of criticism for the disgusting policies themselves.
PS. I do not say these things lightly. But there's a reason why this awful Government is enacting these measures. It's because they know that's how they whip up their support. And it's a fact that their support comes predominantly from pensioners. I do not, of course, think that all pensioners are racist. But I fail to see how anyone can support these policies and claim not to be racist.
Because I don't criticise policies doesn't mean I agree with them. We're so near a GE now that it's pointless getting stressed out over policies that a Labour government will reverse.
Or will they?
You just criticise people who point out the logic behind the policies, eh?
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For anyone to say that elderly infirm residents in care homes are racists is beyond reprehensible.
I can't believe what I read on here at times.
Poll after poll after poll shows that the largest group by far who want to reduce immigration is over 65s.
I commented last night on the bitter irony that the very people who need immigrants to service the care sector are also the very people who support this rancid Government when they say those immigrants have to live without their families.
I said that attitude was "I'm fine for you to wipe my shitty arse as long as you accept having to live without your family."
Explain to me where the logic breaks down there. And why that isn't the very definition of racism.
Interesting that you think pointing out that fact is beyond reprehensible SS, but you haven't a word of criticism for the disgusting policies themselves.
PS. I do not say these things lightly. But there's a reason why this awful Government is enacting these measures. It's because they know that's how they whip up their support. And it's a fact that their support comes predominantly from pensioners. I do not, of course, think that all pensioners are racist. But I fail to see how anyone can support these policies and claim not to be racist.
Because I don't criticise policies doesn't mean I agree with them. We're so near a GE now that it's pointless getting stressed out over policies that a Labour government will reverse.
Or will they?
You just criticise people who point out the logic behind the policies, eh?
It wasn't the logic I criticised, it was the rhetoric.
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But the logic is the reason I used the rhetoric I did. These are overtly racist policies and they are aimed at people who want the benefits immigrants bring, but don't want the immigrants.
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For anyone to say that elderly infirm residents in care homes are racists is beyond reprehensible.
I can't believe what I read on here at times.
Poll after poll after poll shows that the largest group by far who want to reduce immigration is over 65s.
I commented last night on the bitter irony that the very people who need immigrants to service the care sector are also the very people who support this rancid Government when they say those immigrants have to live without their families.
I said that attitude was "I'm fine for you to wipe my shitty arse as long as you accept having to live without your family."
Explain to me where the logic breaks down there. And why that isn't the very definition of racism.
Interesting that you think pointing out that fact is beyond reprehensible SS, but you haven't a word of criticism for the disgusting policies themselves.
PS. I do not say these things lightly. But there's a reason why this awful Government is enacting these measures. It's because they know that's how they whip up their support. And it's a fact that their support comes predominantly from pensioners. I do not, of course, think that all pensioners are racist. But I fail to see how anyone can support these policies and claim not to be racist.
Because I don't criticise policies doesn't mean I agree with them. We're so near a GE now that it's pointless getting stressed out over policies that a Labour government will reverse.
Or will they?
If the Rwanda plan actually gets off the ground and flights commence it will be very interesting to see if starmer keeps to his commitment to reverse it.
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I listened to an interview on 5Live yesterday with a high ranking barrister who spoke about the laws - international as well as UK - that without the remotest doubt will prevent the Rwanda plan ever being remotely possible. He said it is so clear that the only conclusion is that the government know this and that it is simply a play to attract votes.
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For anyone to say that elderly infirm residents in care homes are racists is beyond reprehensible.
I can't believe what I read on here at times.
Poll after poll after poll shows that the largest group by far who want to reduce immigration is over 65s.
I commented last night on the bitter irony that the very people who need immigrants to service the care sector are also the very people who support this rancid Government when they say those immigrants have to live without their families.
I said that attitude was "I'm fine for you to wipe my shitty arse as long as you accept having to live without your family."
Explain to me where the logic breaks down there. And why that isn't the very definition of racism.
Interesting that you think pointing out that fact is beyond reprehensible SS, but you haven't a word of criticism for the disgusting policies themselves.
PS. I do not say these things lightly. But there's a reason why this awful Government is enacting these measures. It's because they know that's how they whip up their support. And it's a fact that their support comes predominantly from pensioners. I do not, of course, think that all pensioners are racist. But I fail to see how anyone can support these policies and claim not to be racist.
Because I don't criticise policies doesn't mean I agree with them. We're so near a GE now that it's pointless getting stressed out over policies that a Labour government will reverse.
Or will they?
If the Rwanda plan actually gets off the ground and flights commence it will be very interesting to see if starmer keeps to his commitment to reverse it.
Could it be beyond possibility that 1 flight will take off to Rwanda just days or weeks before the next GE?
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When are folk going to realise?
The whole Rwanda thing is a con. It won't work. It can't work. The Govt doesn't want it to work.
They want to blame Woke when it fails!
It's all a con to wind up thick racists.
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Belton.
Run it by me how someone could bar a British citizen living with the foreign person they have committed their life to because they earned less than the top 27% of earners in the country, without being racist?
I guess it may depend on how you define 'racism'.
In the link you provided to BBC News, two of the three foreigners featured in the article who fall foul of this new law are Italian and American. They could equally be French, Polish, Australian, Dutch ...... etc.
Does that mean the politicians who want to implement this legislation are racist?
I think that throwing the 'racist' label around only risks undermining your argument BST.
And by the way, I'm against this legislation and virtually every other aspect of this Government's immigration policies.
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Phoenix Nights summed up the mentality Pancho.
Send the buggers back
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Phoenix Nights summed up the mentality Pancho.
Send the buggers back
How can we send them back if they’re not allowed to come in the first place?
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Phoenix Nights summed up the mentality Pancho.
Send the buggers back
How can we send them back if they’re not allowed to come in the first place?
This is a serious issue Belton but I have to confess I laughed out loud at that!
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Belton.
Run it by me how someone could bar a British citizen living with the foreign person they have committed their life to because they earned less than the top 27% of earners in the country, without being racist?
I guess it may depend on how you define 'racism'.
In the link you provided to BBC News, two of the three foreigners featured in the article who fall foul of this new law are Italian and American. They could equally be French, Polish, Australian, Dutch ...... etc.
Does that mean the politicians who want to implement this legislation are racist?
I think that throwing the 'racist' label around only risks undermining your argument BST.
And by the way, I'm against this legislation and virtually every other aspect of this Government's immigration policies.
Fair point at the start Pancho. Better to call it xenophobia rather than racism. Doesn't change the perjorative nature of the term though and I do mean that.
What else can you call a policy that would ban a nurse or a teacher from having their spouse live with them, for no other reason that that the spouse isn't British and the British citizen doesn't earn a salary in the top 27% in the country?
What else would you call a policy that services a need for foreigners to give personal services to pensioners, but then requires them to go back to an empty house because we won't let them have their family here?
Those are the very definition of xenophobic policies.
I don't use the term as an idle, thoughtless insult. I'm genuinely ashamed to be represented by a Govt that would implement those policies.
And sometimes you have to draw a line. This isn't something you can bothsides. Anyone who doesn't condemn such policies is accepting the xenophobia. We have a right, I'd say a duty, to say that loudly.
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Belton.
Run it by me how someone could bar a British citizen living with the foreign person they have committed their life to because they earned less than the top 27% of earners in the country, without being racist?
I guess it may depend on how you define 'racism'.
In the link you provided to BBC News, two of the three foreigners featured in the article who fall foul of this new law are Italian and American. They could equally be French, Polish, Australian, Dutch ...... etc.
Does that mean the politicians who want to implement this legislation are racist?
I think that throwing the 'racist' label around only risks undermining your argument BST.
And by the way, I'm against this legislation and virtually every other aspect of this Government's immigration policies.
Fair point at the start Pancho. Better to call it xenophobia rather than racism. Doesn't change the perjorative nature of the term though and I do mean that.
What else can you call a policy that would ban a nurse or a teacher from having their spouse live with them, for no other reason that that the spouse isn't British and the British citizen doesn't earn a salary in the top 27% in the country?
What else would you call a policy that services a need for foreigners to give personal services to pensioners, but then requires them to go back to an empty house because we won't let them have their family here?
Those are the very definition of xenophobic policies.
I don't use the term as an idle, thoughtless insult. I'm genuinely ashamed to be represented by a Govt that would implement those policies.
And sometimes you have to draw a line. This isn't something you can bothsides. Anyone who doesn't condemn such policies is accepting the xenophobia. We have a right, I'd say a duty, to say that loudly.
Yep, I'd go with xenophobia.
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https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1525766106119606273?s=46
An interesting read and it shows the Tories are going down the wrong path putting this at the forefront.
Attitudes of the British public towards immigration have changed in recent years post-brexit.
It has gone from 60% thinking immigrants “take away jobs” to 60% thinking immigrants skills and labour are vital for the economy.
More people now also think immigrants have a net positive on British culture.
Less and less in recent years have wanted a deterrence approach to those crossing the channel. With more wanting a fair system even if that meant more asylum seekers.
Last year only 8% of conservative voters polled said immigration was an important problem.
Why try to stoke up the peak xenophobia of 2016 again if the majority don’t care ?
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https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1525766106119606273?s=46
An interesting read and it shows the Tories are going down the wrong path putting this at the forefront.
Attitudes of the British public towards immigration have changed in recent years post-brexit.
It has gone from 60% thinking immigrants “take away jobs” to 60% thinking immigrants skills and labour are vital for the economy.
More people now also think immigrants have a net positive on British culture.
Less and less in recent years have wanted a deterrence approach to those crossing the channel. With more wanting a fair system even if that meant more asylum seekers.
Last year only 8% of conservative voters polled said immigration was an important problem.
Why try to stoke up the peak xenophobia of 2016 again if the majority don’t care ?
Because they have nothing else to offer.
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
Why should they?
If I fell in love with someone from another country and wanted to share my life with them in that country, then I would embrace citizenship of that country, if that was the requirement for me to do so.
Actually, you wouldn't if your spouse earned less that £38k and that country was ours.
One of the requirements for taking UK citizenship through marriage is that you have to be resident in the UK for 3 years. But this Govt has just made it illegal for someone to bring their non-UK spouse to the UK if they earn less than £38k. So they cannot meet the residency requirement.
This is very personal for me. It means my father-in-law would not have been allowed to live in this country, and as a result, I'd never have met my wife.
All because of these Kitsons, pandering to racist Kitsons.
Have you reported those racist Kitsons?
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Not only migrants NC.
Apparently if a British citizen married to a non-Briton and living and working overseas wants to return to the UK, they can only bring their spouse if they earn more than £38k.
I'm struggling to believe even this bunch of shit for souls could stoop that low to satisfy their racist supporters, but I've seen that reported by several people who don't tend to get this sort of thing wrong.
surely if a brit cit married a foreign national overseas, then that new partner would apply for british citizenship? thereby avoiding the need for this nonsense.
Why should they?
If I fell in love with someone from another country and wanted to share my life with them in that country, then I would embrace citizenship of that country, if that was the requirement for me to do so.
Actually, you wouldn't if your spouse earned less that £38k and that country was ours.
One of the requirements for taking UK citizenship through marriage is that you have to be resident in the UK for 3 years. But this Govt has just made it illegal for someone to bring their non-UK spouse to the UK if they earn less than £38k. So they cannot meet the residency requirement.
This is very personal for me. It means my father-in-law would not have been allowed to live in this country, and as a result, I'd never have met my wife.
All because of these Kitsons, pandering to racist Kitsons.
Have you reported those racist Kitsons?
1) I choose my friends carefully. I wouldn't have anything to do with people who supported those views.
2) What would I report them for?
3) Who would I report them to?
Do you need a break from this? You're struggling to make sense.
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I think after that reply it's you who needs a break.
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Go on. What breach of what law would I report them for? Unfortunately, there's no law against supporting a bunch of Kitsons in power putting forward blatantly xenophobic policies. Just the knowledge that people who accept that are beneath contempt.
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You can report anyone for being racist. I see you've changed your racist accusations for the lower offence of Xenophobia, on the advice of someone rather more sensible.
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I think all racist Kitsons should be reported to the police if someone thinks they’ve done or said something racist.
Equally, I think anyone who falsely accuses someone of racism should be held to account too.
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I think all racist Kitsons should be reported to the police if someone thinks they’ve done or said something racist.
Equally, I think anyone who falsely accuses someone of racism should be held to account too.
Well then you've no need to worry. No individual has been falsely, or in any way, accused in this thread.
But I'll stand by my comment. Anyone supporting these policies IS xenophobic.
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I think all racist Kitsons should be reported to the police if someone thinks they’ve done or said something racist.
Equally, I think anyone who falsely accuses someone of racism should be held to account too.
Well then you've no need to worry. No individual has been falsely, or in any way, accused in this thread.
But I'll stand by my comment. Anyone supporting these policies IS xenophobic.
Unfortunately, I do worry. I’m talking about society in general.
Thankfully, you eventually changed racist kitsons to xenophobes, but even after I told you it was wrong to label so many people as racists, you continued to argue that you were right.
As Bentley pointed out, it took someone else to say something similar to you before you reflected upon you initial thoughts and wording.
And does it make it okay for someone to call a group of people racists or xenophobes rather than any individual?
I actually think that’s worse.
I am glad that you did rephrase, but there are many people in society who would initially shout ‘racism’, as you did, as their first thought, who would not reconsider their words.
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Belton.
I don't see "xenophobe" as a less perjorative word than "racist". They both mean a dislike of The Other because of the group they were born into, rather than judgement of people for who they are.
If people get offended because some of us consider people who support these xenophobic policies to be xenophobic, there's not much I can do about that. I'm not going to bothsides this. It is way too important.
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I don’t necessarily disagree with that, but if you think the words mean pretty much one and the same (which is what I think you are saying), then why did you feel the need to change your description of these ‘people’ as xenophobes, not racists?
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Because I was slack in the precise meaning of my initial choice of word, as Pancho pointed out. So I corrected it to one which is more precisely correct.
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Be careful around these two terms.
Xenophobia is “fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign.” Racism has a slightly broader range of meanings, including “a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race,” and “a political or social system founded on racism.” It should be noted that the meanings of these two words are sufficiently different that a person (or thing, such as a policy) may very easily be both racist and xenophobic.
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It's not hard to find similar but broader definitions of "xenophobic". For the avoidance of doubt, this is the sense in which I'm using it.
"an aversion or hostility to, disdain for, or fear of foreigners".
For what it's worth NR, my take is that the policies as written are xenophobic, as their effect is to cause serious harm to people's lives for no other reason than that they are foreigners. The policy making it impossible for a British citizen to have their foreign spouse live with them in Britain is impossible to judge in any other way. The one saying that foreigners may come to this country to do jobs we don't want to do ourselves, but if they do so, they are not allowed to live with their spouse and children is another.
Whether people who support those policies are doing so for "xenophobic" or "racist" reasons is up for debate.i suspect (I don't know, but I'd have thought it likely) there are many people in the country who wouldn't want those rules applied to Americans for example, but would want them applied to Nigerians.
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I don’t think anyone has said they are offended by the things you’ve said, Billy.
I certainly haven’t.
I just think you are very wrong to call everyone who agrees with tightening up border control by increasing income requirements as showing ‘fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign’.
Or any other definition you can find.
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I would imagine that Nativism is the more appropriate term for the majority of people who are against immigration, rather than racism or xenophobia.
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I would imagine that Nativism is the more appropriate term for the majority of people who are against immigration, rather than racism or xenophobia.
I agree.
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Come and wipe the shitty arses of our
racist old folk.
Come and wipe the shitty arses of our xenophobic old folk.
Come and wipe the shitty arses of our nativist old folk.
Any advance?
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The POLICIES are xenophobic in their effect. People supporting them are supporting policies which clearly and unambiguously display a hostility to and a disdain for foreigners and are thereby, deliberately or not, supporting xenophobic policies.
Deliberately or not their support (because the policies would not have been introduced if certain politicians didn't think they would be supported) will have a severely detrimental effect on the lives of people who want to spend their lives with someone they love, and people who we want to come and provide essential services for us, for no reason other than that these people are foreigners.
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But you said earlier that the government were pandering to racist/xenophobic Kitsons.
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It’s not very conservative to implement policies that can stop people building families
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Illegal migration and Illegal Migration ministers should be on zero hours contracts, not sure they are going to be in position very long.
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And yes, they certainly are.
What matters is not what people think about themselves. It's what effect they have on others. If people, whatever they think about themselves, are happy to support policies that have these effects on others, and refuse to consider those effects, then yes, that epithet is apt. Whatever argument they make about how they think they should be judged.
What would YOU call someone who accepts the need for an immigrant to perform intimate care for them, but also insists that immigrant cannot live with their spouse and kids?
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BST. Yes the government are trying to whip up xenophobia, but I believe the immigration opposing man in the street would not have the view that you describe in your last paragraph.
Well I sincerely hope not.
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Yes, TT, I accept that. But that implies people not being prepared to think about what is being done in their names.
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And yes, they certainly are.
What matters is not what people think about themselves. It's what effect they have on others. If people, whatever they think about themselves, are happy to support policies that have these effects on others, and refuse to consider those effects, then yes, that epithet is apt. Whatever argument they make about how they think they should be judged.
What would YOU call someone who accepts the need for an immigrant to perform intimate care for them, but also insists that immigrant cannot live with their spouse and kids?
I’d call them ignorant hypocrites.
I don’t know of any of these people, though I am sure there are some. I’m also as certain as I possibly could be that they are a tiny, tiny fraction of the people you have lumped together as racists/xenophobes.
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Illegal migration and Illegal Migration ministers should be on zero hours contracts, not sure they are going to be in position very long.
If only .
They will have jumped up ( they will be jumped up anyway ) salary wise to 116 K probably
Then the whole thing will go pop and they will get severance pay to compensate them for their jobs disappearing
So they will probably work close to zero hours in the next few weeks then will win the jackpot
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And yes, they certainly are.
What matters is not what people think about themselves. It's what effect they have on others. If people, whatever they think about themselves, are happy to support policies that have these effects on others, and refuse to consider those effects, then yes, that epithet is apt. Whatever argument they make about how they think they should be judged.
What would YOU call someone who accepts the need for an immigrant to perform intimate care for them, but also insists that immigrant cannot live with their spouse and kids?
I’d call them ignorant hypocrites.
I don’t know of any of these people, though I am sure there are some. I’m also as certain as I possibly could be that they are a tiny, tiny fraction of the people you have lumped together as racists/xenophobes.
What BST is trying to say, and he'll correct me if I'm wrong, is that by supporting the governments xenophobic policies by proxy, though not having the same extreme stance, the Nativist in the street becomes as culpable as Braverman et al.
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Partly TT. I'd suggest there are many people who would be horrified to be labelled racist/xenophobic Kitsons, but who, let's say, have an aversion to people from different cultures and are prepared not to think about them as people with lives and emotions and aspirations. Belton would call them ignorant hypocrites. I'm less forgiving. I don't accept wilful ignorance as an excuse for supporting these sorts of policies. History tells you where wilful ignorance leads on the issue of The Other. But I think we all think it's not an admirable human trait, however we describe it.
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Back to the original theme of this thread. When a Government runs out of anything tangible to offer, it's not a pretty sight. But I'm sure the Governments of Ted Heath and Alec Douglas Home and John Major would have done better than this.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1732781753448726918
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And yes, they certainly are.
What matters is not what people think about themselves. It's what effect they have on others. If people, whatever they think about themselves, are happy to support policies that have these effects on others, and refuse to consider those effects, then yes, that epithet is apt. Whatever argument they make about how they think they should be judged.
What would YOU call someone who accepts the need for an immigrant to perform intimate care for them, but also insists that immigrant cannot live with their spouse and kids?
I’d call them ignorant hypocrites.
I don’t know of any of these people, though I am sure there are some. I’m also as certain as I possibly could be that they are a tiny, tiny fraction of the people you have lumped together as racists/xenophobes.
Not being racist/xenophobic, and therefore lacking somewhat in the capability of thinking like one, I don't feel qualified to comment on how such a hypocrite would feel. I can only imagine that such a person would object to having an immigrant performing intimate care on them.
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It appears they think Cold War Steve is an official portraitist.
https://twitter.com/coldwarsteve/status/1732831571864961414
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Because I was slack in the precise meaning of my initial choice of word, as Pancho pointed out. So I corrected it to one which is more precisely correct.
I can only empathise with you. Hopefully, Filo or NNK won't see it.
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Because I was slack in the precise meaning of my initial choice of word, as Pancho pointed out. So I corrected it to one which is more precisely correct.
I can only empathise with you. Hopefully, Filo or NNK won't see it.
You do like a confrontation, when the is no confrontation there don’t you?
BST will correct his “mistakes” when he has been pointed out to him, he has the balls to admit them, unlike your good self
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Was going to post summat similar Filo.
But then again the misfiring Bullet is never wrong, it wouldn't fit with the mountain high opinion he has of himself.
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Because I was slack in the precise meaning of my initial choice of word, as Pancho pointed out. So I corrected it to one which is more precisely correct.
I can only empathise with you. Hopefully, Filo or NNK won't see it.
You do like a confrontation, when the is no confrontation there don’t you?
BST will correct his “mistakes” when he has been pointed out to him, he has the balls to admit them, unlike your good self
There is a difference though. The poster who pointed out BST's "mistake" then went on to give his opinion of the subject using the corrected word.
You didn't, because you were only interested in confrontation, even after I conceded the "mistake."
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Because I was slack in the precise meaning of my initial choice of word, as Pancho pointed out. So I corrected it to one which is more precisely correct.
I can only empathise with you. Hopefully, Filo or NNK won't see it.
You do like a confrontation, when the is no confrontation there don’t you?
BST will correct his “mistakes” when he has been pointed out to him, he has the balls to admit them, unlike your good self
There is a difference though. The poster who pointed out BST's "mistake" then went on to give his opinion of the subject using the corrected word.
You didn't, because you were only interested in confrontation, even after I conceded the "mistake."
You’re full of shit!
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Because I was slack in the precise meaning of my initial choice of word, as Pancho pointed out. So I corrected it to one which is more precisely correct.
I can only empathise with you. Hopefully, Filo or NNK won't see it.
You do like a confrontation, when the is no confrontation there don’t you?
BST will correct his “mistakes” when he has been pointed out to him, he has the balls to admit them, unlike your good self
There is a difference though. The poster who pointed out BST's "mistake" then went on to give his opinion of the subject using the corrected word.
You didn't, because you were only interested in confrontation, even after I conceded the "mistake."
You’re full of shit!
You're right intelligent!
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I mean you've got to hand it to the government of Rwanda haven't you ?
To be able to trouser £290m quid from a Tory government in exchange for doing absolutely the square root of feck all is quite remarkable .
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As I say, Oz politics and political ideas and outcomes are very similar to events in the UK.
''$55m Cambodia deal that resettled two refugees a 'good outcome', says Dutton
This article is more than 7 years old
The minister brushes off criticism that the resettlement scheme represents a waste of taxpayers’ money''
............. ''That leaves one person left in Cambodia from the original group of four resettled under the Australian program'' ..........
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/09/55m-cambodia-deal-that-resettled-two-refugees-a-good-outcome-says-dutton
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I mean you've got to hand it to the government of Rwanda haven't you ?
To be able to trouser £290m quid from a Tory government in exchange for doing absolutely the square root of feck all is quite remarkable .
To be fair, they did put the UK in its place regarding compliance with international law. That's got to be worth something.
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I mean you've got to hand it to the government of Rwanda haven't you ?
To be able to trouser £290m quid from a Tory government in exchange for doing absolutely the square root of feck all is quite remarkable .
They learned that trick from the PPE suppliers, Tyke.
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I mean you've got to hand it to the government of Rwanda haven't you ?
To be able to trouser £290m quid from a Tory government in exchange for doing absolutely the square root of feck all is quite remarkable .
They learned that trick from the PPE suppliers, Tyke.
Apparently Micelle Mone is also now ashamed to be a Tory peer. Not because of the damage the Torie have done to the nation, oh no, because the Government (when it had no option) has asked for the money back.
Tory peer Michelle Mone 'regrets' denying links with PPE firm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-67674683
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You know when I keep saying this shit shower of Tories have zero to offer but Culture War?
You know how it sounds like me exaggerating for political effect?
Look at what this morning has given us. Labour plans a massive investment in new nurseries. This is how leading Tories respond.
https://twitter.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1740651781011718642
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Lee Anderson is a Knob, soon to be unemployed knob with a nice pension
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Lee Anderson is a Knob, soon to be unemployed knob with a nice pension
He is a know,so are people that support his views.
He'll be a know on a good pension, and when others pensions dwindle, the poor old knows will still support and defend his views.
Knobs
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A lot of people would agree with that and that parents should parent (family of mine for sure). I disagree, expanding nurseries isn't a bad idea and gets more people (mostly women) working.
But there is still a real problem with it and it's this (per the Guardian);
Labour had been considering the idea of universal free childcare for children over nine months old, but is now considering a means-tested system instead, tapering off support for higher-income families.
The detail on that will be key, currently there's a real problem in early years care that in lots of families it's not worth both parents working and that is really unfair on largely women!
This stat below is scandalous;
Last month a survey by the Fawcett Society estimated about 250,000 mothers with young children had left their jobs because of difficulties with balancing work and childcare.
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Valid point BFYP.
However Let's not forget get that the Tories core value for years(and not too long back) were all about 'traditional family values'.
Single parents were like the enemy within. There had to be two. One working and the other cooking,cleaning and changing nappies
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
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Annnndddd...another one.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67842890
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
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Valid point BFYP.
However Let's not forget get that the Tories core value for years(and not too long back) were all about 'traditional family values'.
Single parents were like the enemy within. There had to be two. One working and the other cooking,cleaning and changing nappies
Yes it's outdated and fundamentally incorrect.
The bury MP in some cases clearly has a point too.
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Valid point BFYP.
However Let's not forget get that the Tories core value for years(and not too long back) were all about 'traditional family values'.
Single parents were like the enemy within. There had to be two. One working and the other cooking,cleaning and changing nappies
Yes it's outdated and fundamentally incorrect.
The bury MP in some cases clearly has a point too.
Very understandable that in today's society these views would be seen as off kilter and out of touch but that in itself does not make them wrong.
You could also say the same about kids from a failed marriage or missing fathers, which i'm quite sure would be an anathema to many today. but its a steep learning curve for many and some never get there, unfortunately.
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
The game that Daly is playing, is feeding ignorant prejudice.
He doesn't have any research evidence to support his statement.
His Government has cut child mental health support funding. If you and your child are unlucky enough for them to have mental health issues, you will soon realise there is an epidemic of it out there, with most parents doing their f**king damnedest to help their kids through, with next to zero support.
He's a Kitson, peddling ignorant b*llocks while his Govt turns a blind eye to a truly frightening problem.
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
You've just proved the point of my post Tyke
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
You've just proved the point of my post Tyke
Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .
Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .
Always someone else's fault isn't it ?
Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .
The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .
I could go on .
As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
You've just proved the point of my post Tyke
Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .
Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .
Always someone else's fault isn't it ?
Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .
The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .
I could go on .
As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .
Written like a true Tory tyke.
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
You've just proved the point of my post Tyke
Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .
Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .
Always someone else's fault isn't it ?
Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .
The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .
I could go on .
As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .
Written like a true Tory tyke.
Yep that's the standard reply from the more liberal voices amongst us .
Take a bow , you've done as much harm to this country as any Tory government .
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
You've just proved the point of my post Tyke
Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .
Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .
Always someone else's fault isn't it ?
Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .
The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .
I could go on .
As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .
Written like a true Tory tyke.
Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.
Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
You've just proved the point of my post Tyke
Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .
Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .
Always someone else's fault isn't it ?
Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .
The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .
I could go on .
As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .
Written like a true Tory tyke.
Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.
Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.
At least I won't be voting for this betrayal Steve and I suspect neither will your good self .
The pages on this board from such as yourself and others are well documented on what a Labour government will look like .
Here's another , just how Tory can you be with a red rose stuck on your lapel ?
https://inews.co.uk/news/labour-plans-nhs-private-entrepreneurs-2820261?ito=copy-link_share_article-top
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
You've just proved the point of my post Tyke
Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .
Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .
Always someone else's fault isn't it ?
Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .
The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .
I could go on .
As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .
Written like a true Tory tyke.
Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.
Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.
At least I won't be voting for this betrayal Steve and I suspect neither will your good self .
The pages on this board from such as yourself and others are well documented on what a Labour government will look like .
Here's another , just how Tory can you be with a red rose stuck on your lapel ?
https://inews.co.uk/news/labour-plans-nhs-private-entrepreneurs-2820261?ito=copy-link_share_article-top
You’re a Tory hiding behind “I was a striking Miner”
I’ve said it before and nothing has changed my mund
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
You've just proved the point of my post Tyke
Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .
Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .
Always someone else's fault isn't it ?
Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .
The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .
I could go on .
As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .
Written like a true Tory tyke.
Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.
Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.
At least I won't be voting for this betrayal Steve and I suspect neither will your good self .
The pages on this board from such as yourself and others are well documented on what a Labour government will look like .
Here's another , just how Tory can you be with a red rose stuck on your lapel ?
https://inews.co.uk/news/labour-plans-nhs-private-entrepreneurs-2820261?ito=copy-link_share_article-top
You’re a Tory hiding behind “I was a striking Miner”
I’ve said it before and nothing has changed my mund
I wonder if 2024 will bring you some enlightenment and ditch the ad hominem that seems to form the basis of your replies to people you disagree with ? .
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That's hilarious from you tyke
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It's quite easy to see how the world turns on mis-information, mixing a smattering of truth within a huge misrepresentation, the 'dead cat' lives.
It would be a brave person to say that 100% of parents are perfect but it would be an enormous stretch to entertain the idea that bad parenting lies at the heart of a country's woes in any way shape or form.
To be persuaded by this form of 'seeding' says more about those who choose to believe than the argument itself and the usual suspects appear to either advance it or to throw in more dead cats.
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It's quite easy to see how the world turns on mis-information, mixing a smattering of truth within a huge misrepresentation, the 'dead cat' lives.
It would be a brave person to say that 100% of parents are perfect but it would be an enormous stretch to entertain the idea that bad parenting lies at the heart of a country's woes in any way shape or form.
To be persuaded by this form of 'seeding' says more about those who choose to believe than the argument itself and the usual suspects appear to either advance it or to throw in more dead cats.
Simple enough question Syd
How much knife crime amongst school age kids did you see when you were at school ?
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It's quite easy to see how the world turns on mis-information, mixing a smattering of truth within a huge misrepresentation, the 'dead cat' lives.
It would be a brave person to say that 100% of parents are perfect but it would be an enormous stretch to entertain the idea that bad parenting lies at the heart of a country's woes in any way shape or form.
To be persuaded by this form of 'seeding' says more about those who choose to believe than the argument itself and the usual suspects appear to either advance it or to throw in more dead cats.
Simple enough question Syd
How much knife crime amongst school age kids did you see when you were at school ?
Right back at yer. How many kids had the living shit kicked out of them by their parents when we were kids?
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It's quite easy to see how the world turns on mis-information, mixing a smattering of truth within a huge misrepresentation, the 'dead cat' lives.
It would be a brave person to say that 100% of parents are perfect but it would be an enormous stretch to entertain the idea that bad parenting lies at the heart of a country's woes in any way shape or form.
To be persuaded by this form of 'seeding' says more about those who choose to believe than the argument itself and the usual suspects appear to either advance it or to throw in more dead cats.
Simple enough question Syd
How much knife crime amongst school age kids did you see when you were at school ?
Right back at yer. How many kids had the living shit kicked out of them by their parents when we were kids?
Presumably using the same logic we should ban all cars from the road because innocent kids get run over and killed .
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It's quite easy to see how the world turns on mis-information, mixing a smattering of truth within a huge misrepresentation, the 'dead cat' lives.
It would be a brave person to say that 100% of parents are perfect but it would be an enormous stretch to entertain the idea that bad parenting lies at the heart of a country's woes in any way shape or form.
To be persuaded by this form of 'seeding' says more about those who choose to believe than the argument itself and the usual suspects appear to either advance it or to throw in more dead cats.
Simple enough question Syd
How much knife crime amongst school age kids did you see when you were at school ?
And what has this got to do with anything at all selby?
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Each generation thinks that things were better in their day, regarding parents and kids behaviour, and many other things.
If you were to study social history you'll find this is nonsense.
The difference today is it's all reported in the avalanche of media.
Take football hooliganism.
40 years ago I knew a bloke who was 90 then.
He told me of pre arranged pitched battles between
Rovers/Scunny/Rotherham supporters. This was 100 years ago.
A Rovers match was abandoned at the Intake ground after the fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Ref.
In the 19thC and before there were gangs of youths in every town who'd hang around and rob/batter people, despite their parents having licence to physically assault them for bad behaviour.
Things like incest and paedophilia have been around for centuries, but either ignored or tolerated. Nobody spoke about it.
Is that a better way to be?
Of course not, at least nowadays we are trying to deal with these issues
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
You've just proved the point of my post Tyke
Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .
Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .
Always someone else's fault isn't it ?
Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .
The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .
I could go on .
As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .
Written like a true Tory tyke.
Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.
Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.
If Tyke supports Tory policies and arguments then he deserves to be called out for what he does. He is certainly not a socialist.
I am afraid he has moved that far left he has joined the far right. Meeting the Tories along the way.
But yes Starmer is much more old style Tory than many Tories. Which appears to anger lots of them.
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Each generation thinks that things were better in their day, regarding parents and kids behaviour, and many other things.
If you were to study social history you'll find this is nonsense.
The difference today is it's all reported in the avalanche of media.
Take football hooliganism.
40 years ago I knew a bloke who was 90 then.
He told me of pre arranged pitched battles between
Rovers/Scunny/Rotherham supporters. This was 100 years ago.
A Rovers match was abandoned at the Intake ground after the fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Ref.
In the 19thC and before there were gangs of youths in every town who'd hang around and rob/batter people, despite their parents having licence to physically assault them for bad behaviour.
Things like incest and paedophilia have been around for centuries, but either ignored or tolerated. Nobody spoke about it.
Is that a better way to be?
Of course not, at least nowadays we are trying to deal with these issues
Each generation thinks that things were better in their day, regarding parents and kids behaviour, and many other things.
If you were to study social history you'll find this is nonsense.
The difference today is it's all reported in the avalanche of media.
Take football hooliganism.
40 years ago I knew a bloke who was 90 then.
He told me of pre arranged pitched battles between
Rovers/Scunny/Rotherham supporters. This was 100 years ago.
A Rovers match was abandoned at the Intake ground after the fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Ref.
In the 19thC and before there were gangs of youths in every town who'd hang around and rob/batter people, despite their parents having licence to physically assault them for bad behaviour.
Things like incest and paedophilia have been around for centuries, but either ignored or tolerated. Nobody spoke about it.
Is that a better way to be?
Of course not, at least nowadays we are trying to deal with these issues
I agree with all of that, Tommy.
But there is a but:
The avalanche of (social) media has also massively increased unrest in many different forms.
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Each generation thinks that things were better in their day, regarding parents and kids behaviour, and many other things.
If you were to study social history you'll find this is nonsense.
The difference today is it's all reported in the avalanche of media.
Take football hooliganism.
40 years ago I knew a bloke who was 90 then.
He told me of pre arranged pitched battles between
Rovers/Scunny/Rotherham supporters. This was 100 years ago.
A Rovers match was abandoned at the Intake ground after the fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Ref.
In the 19thC and before there were gangs of youths in every town who'd hang around and rob/batter people, despite their parents having licence to physically assault them for bad behaviour.
Things like incest and paedophilia have been around for centuries, but either ignored or tolerated. Nobody spoke about it.
Is that a better way to be?
Of course not, at least nowadays we are trying to deal with these issues
Each generation thinks that things were better in their day, regarding parents and kids behaviour, and many other things.
If you were to study social history you'll find this is nonsense.
The difference today is it's all reported in the avalanche of media.
Take football hooliganism.
40 years ago I knew a bloke who was 90 then.
He told me of pre arranged pitched battles between
Rovers/Scunny/Rotherham supporters. This was 100 years ago.
A Rovers match was abandoned at the Intake ground after the fans invaded the pitch and attacked the Ref.
In the 19thC and before there were gangs of youths in every town who'd hang around and rob/batter people, despite their parents having licence to physically assault them for bad behaviour.
Things like incest and paedophilia have been around for centuries, but either ignored or tolerated. Nobody spoke about it.
Is that a better way to be?
Of course not, at least nowadays we are trying to deal with these issues
I agree with all of that, Tommy.
But there is a but:
The avalanche of (social) media has also massively increased unrest in many different forms.
And politically, nowadays, every word uttered and every action taken by politicians is reported on if it suits an agenda. There is no such thing as off the record.
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Can I just add Jamyes Daly to that post.
Conservative MP for North Bury.
What an absolute cnut.
No wonder the country is f@cked with cnuts like him,and cnuts that vote for politicians like him.
Well he's not entirely wrong is he , whilst I know the game Daly is playing and his government's record that doesn't mean what he says isn't without substance .
You've just proved the point of my post Tyke
Well only if the standard of parenting in this country was high .
Personal responsibility seems to be something that escapes poor parents .
Always someone else's fault isn't it ?
Whilst I agree with Billy's point about mental health provision it's worth pointing out the thousands of people in this country whose lives are made hell by feral kids running riot on UK estates and are seemingly untouchable .
The number of these tw@ts who carry and use knives everyday on our streets .
I could go on .
As I say Daly isn't totally wrong .
Written like a true Tory tyke.
Silly post, Wilts. Tyke is nothing like a Tory, and you know it.
Starmer is much more Tory-like than Tyke.
If Tyke supports Tory policies and arguments then he deserves to be called out for what he does. He is certainly not a socialist.
I am afraid he has moved that far left he has joined the far right. Meeting the Tories along the way.
But yes Starmer is much more old style Tory than many Tories. Which appears to anger lots of them.
I just don't do metropolitan navel gazing identity politics .
Simple as that .
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You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?
You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?
You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194
Just stop and read that again.
That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.
What the f**k is wrong with these people?
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You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?
You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?
You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194
Just stop and read that again.
That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.
What the f**k is wrong with these people?
Why do you need to bring your parents or family when you are here to study ?
Old enough to look after themselves I presume given most students perfectly manage to do it .
In fact I'd imagine most students wouldn't want family or their parents with them and exercise some independence and freedom .
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You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?
You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?
You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194
Just stop and read that again.
That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.
What the f**k is wrong with these people?
Why do you need to bring your parents or family when you are here to study ?
Old enough to look after themselves I presume given most students perfectly manage to do it .
In fact I'd imagine most students wouldn't want family or their parents with them and exercise some independence and freedom .
It's about wives/husbands and kids.
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You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?
You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?
You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194
Just stop and read that again.
That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.
What the f**k is wrong with these people?
Why do you need to bring your parents or family when you are here to study ?
Old enough to look after themselves I presume given most students perfectly manage to do it .
In fact I'd imagine most students wouldn't want family or their parents with them and exercise some independence and freedom .
It's about wives/husbands and kids.
Do the family members have to support themselves ?
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You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?
You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?
You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194
Just stop and read that again.
That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.
What the f**k is wrong with these people?
Why do you need to bring your parents or family when you are here to study ?
Old enough to look after themselves I presume given most students perfectly manage to do it .
In fact I'd imagine most students wouldn't want family or their parents with them and exercise some independence and freedom .
It's about wives/husbands and kids.
Do the family members have to support themselves ?
They can't claim benefits if that's what you mean. They have to pay £800 per person per year to cover potential NHS costs.
This is being done because it is an easy target which allows the Govt to pander you the sort of bigot who will never actually meet an overseas student or their family, but who reads about them in the Mail and the Express and hears about them on Fascist FM.
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How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.
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You know when I keep saying this shit show of a Govt has nothing to offer but Culture War?
You know how sometimes it feels like I'm exaggerating for political effect?
You know it's only 48 hours since I last said exactly the same thing, and already they're at it again.
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1741782514270671194
Just stop and read that again.
That's the PM of the UK boasting about a policy that will damage one of the most successful export sectors that we have, in order to satisfy a few ignorant xenophobes.
What the f**k is wrong with these people?
Why do you need to bring your parents or family when you are here to study ?
Old enough to look after themselves I presume given most students perfectly manage to do it .
In fact I'd imagine most students wouldn't want family or their parents with them and exercise some independence and freedom .
It's about wives/husbands and kids.
Do the family members have to support themselves ?
They can't claim benefits if that's what you mean. They have to pay £800 per person per year to cover potential NHS costs.
This is being done because it is an easy target which allows the Govt to pander you the sort of bigot who will never actually meet an overseas student or their family, but who reads about them in the Mail and the Express and hears about them on Fascist FM.
Seems a bit harsh then and in the grand scheme of things hardly worth the bother .
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Its worth the bother for these bas**rds in charge, because it throws a bit of red meat to ignorant bigots. And if doing so f**ks over one of our strongest economic success stories, so be it. Because feeding the bigots is all the Tories have left.
That's what the Govt of the UK has been reduced to. The one that you will "meh" if it gets elected again.
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Belton:
''I agree with all of that, Tommy.
But there is a but:
The avalanche of (social) media has also massively increased unrest in many different forms''
There's more to it than just an avalanche it's snowballs that are thrown in by the manipulators that start the slide, it's the drip, drip, drip of the manipulators messages that taken up as truth, it's the false prophets spewing out nonsense, the media (and plenty on here) that profess to be maintaining a 'balance of fairness' which in reality is not there.
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Syd, you are just proving that what Belton said is in fact correct.
Oh, and for balance, it works both ways.
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Belton:
''I agree with all of that, Tommy.
But there is a but:
The avalanche of (social) media has also massively increased unrest in many different forms''
There's more to it than just an avalanche it's snowballs that are thrown in by the manipulators that start the slide, it's the drip, drip, drip of the manipulators messages that taken up as truth, it's the false prophets spewing out nonsense, the media (and plenty on here) that profess to be maintaining a 'balance of fairness' which in reality is not there.
As I said, many different forms.
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Belton:
''I agree with all of that, Tommy.
But there is a but:
The avalanche of (social) media has also massively increased unrest in many different forms''
There's more to it than just an avalanche it's snowballs that are thrown in by the manipulators that start the slide, it's the drip, drip, drip of the manipulators messages that taken up as truth, it's the false prophets spewing out nonsense, the media (and plenty on here) that profess to be maintaining a 'balance of fairness' which in reality is not there.
As I said, many different forms.
correct, I'm just filling in the missing detail is all
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How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.
When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.
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How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.
When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.
It is a valid point, but I don’t expect you to accept it.
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How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.
When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.
It is a valid point, but I don’t expect you to accept it.
I don't know how many it is, but whether the number is large or small, this is a horrible policy because it sends out a prickly, unpleasant message to the entire foreign student market.
There are many countries, from Germany through Canada to Australia who are shaping up to take on the UK in that market. Why would you send this sort of message out about the way in which the UK thinks about foreign students.
Then, whether the number is big or small, there are strong, valid criticisms to be made of Sunak's trumpeting of the policy.
If the number is big, this will materially hurt the FE sector, or lead to foreign students having to split from their families to come here (and remembering that experience of Britain when they go home and move up through their societal and business ranks).
If the number is small and won't materially affect the FE sector, it also won't materially affect "immigration" (sic) numbers. So what the f**k is the PM of the UK doing making his first public message of the Election year one which is about an insignificant policy which he claims is showing that "In 2024, we’re already delivering for the British people"?
There's no other way of looking at this. It either wilfully hurts the FE sector to satisfy bigots, or he's lying to satisfy bigots.
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How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.
When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.
It is a valid point, but I don’t expect you to accept it.
Don't be silly. Why is it a valid point if numbers are significantly higher. If it was valid I would accept it.
Perhaps if you had to be separated from your family when you were at university you would be a little more understanding. I doubt it tho.
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How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.
When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.
It is a valid point, but I don’t expect you to accept it.
I don't know how many it is, but whether the number is large or small, this is a horrible policy because it sends out a prickly, unpleasant message to the entire foreign student market.
There are many countries, from Germany through Canada to Australia who are shaping up to take on the UK in that market. Why would you send this sort of message out about the way in which the UK thinks about foreign students.
Then, whether the number is big or small, there are strong, valid criticisms to be made of Sunak's trumpeting of the policy.
If the number is big, this will materially hurt the FE sector, or lead to foreign students having to split from their families to come here (and remembering that experience of Britain when they go home and move up through their societal and business ranks).
If the number is small and won't materially affect the FE sector, it also won't materially affect "immigration" (sic) numbers. So what the f**k is the PM of the UK doing making his first public message of the Election year one which is about an insignificant policy which he claims is showing that "In 2024, we’re already delivering for the British people"?
There's no other way of looking at this. It either wilfully hurts the FE sector to satisfy bigots, or he's lying to satisfy bigots.
You said it was about wives and husbands and kids, rather than parents, which I don’t agree with.
I do agree that it is a pointless exercise that will please some bigots.
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How many university students have wives, husbands and children?
I know some do - I did myself, but it must be a tiny, tiny fraction.
When it comes to post grads,masters and phds a great number do.
It's also where the higher numbers of overseas students are. So it's not a valid point you are making.
It is a valid point, but I don’t expect you to accept it.
I don't know how many it is, but whether the number is large or small, this is a horrible policy because it sends out a prickly, unpleasant message to the entire foreign student market.
There are many countries, from Germany through Canada to Australia who are shaping up to take on the UK in that market. Why would you send this sort of message out about the way in which the UK thinks about foreign students.
Then, whether the number is big or small, there are strong, valid criticisms to be made of Sunak's trumpeting of the policy.
If the number is big, this will materially hurt the FE sector, or lead to foreign students having to split from their families to come here (and remembering that experience of Britain when they go home and move up through their societal and business ranks).
If the number is small and won't materially affect the FE sector, it also won't materially affect "immigration" (sic) numbers. So what the f**k is the PM of the UK doing making his first public message of the Election year one which is about an insignificant policy which he claims is showing that "In 2024, we’re already delivering for the British people"?
There's no other way of looking at this. It either wilfully hurts the FE sector to satisfy bigots, or he's lying to satisfy bigots.
The nasty man back at calling anyone who doesn't agree with him a bigot. You're as bad as the picture of a "bigot" you paint. Replace the image of an old man counting his coppers in an old pub saying "them foreigners " are to blame for everything with old bitter man saying "bigot, racist" to anyone with a different opinion. But sadly name calling and nastiness is socially acceptable for the left but denounced quickly for anyone who isn't
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Nearly at the last dregs now and look how it's turning out.
It's the Rwanda vote tonight. Poundland fascists like Anderson and Cates are threatening rebellion.
To buy them off, the rumour going round Westminster right now is that the Govt is looking at changing the civil service code of practice.
Specifically, what they are talking about is making it a disciplinary offence if the European Court of Human Rights rules that Rwanda deportations are illegal, and civil servants refuse to follow orders from a minister.
That would be a civil servant being ordered to do something which a court that has jurisdiction in the UK had ruled illegal, under threat of being sacked.
Count the hours down till these Kitsons are hoyed out.
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Nick Fletcher, a rebel yesterday, but faced with the prospect of an early election a non rebel today, happy to go against his “principles” for a few more months on the gravy train, same goes for that t**t Lee Anderson, all bark but no f**king bite
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Good outcome for the country.
Not the vote passing. That legislation is horrific and will never remotely sort out the problem.
The good point is that it's shown the far right Tory MPs are all piss and wind. It might just give a way forward to the Tory party coming back from the insane near-Facism that the gobshites have called for, but clearly haven't got the courage to vote for.
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So Lee Anderson resigns to vote against the bill. Then votes for it. Alright then.
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Once a thick Kitson...
We all know a Lee. Every Miners' Welfare had one. Gob the size of the hole in our defence, an ego even bigger, and a brain the size of a pea.
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So Lee Anderson resigns to vote against the bill. Then votes for it. Alright then.
Not the sharpest tool in the box is he
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Here's what does my head in about the Rwanda plan.
Forget the morality.
Forget the fact that our Government has passed a Lawton say that Rwanda is officially "safe" while the Supreme Court says it definitely isn't, and we accept and uphold asylum requests from Rwandans who say they've been persecuted at home.
Forget the cost even. What's £460m to these t**ts in power.
It simply won't work anyway.
At most, maybe 1:50 or 1:100 channel crossers will be sent there.
And that is supposed to be a deterrent. To people who have already been prepared to risk their lives crossing the Channel at night on overcrowded dinghies.
It's all for show. Red meat to slavering supporters who are too f**king thick to realise they are being played.
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So Lee Anderson resigns to vote against the bill. Then votes for it. Alright then.
Not the sharpest tool in the box is he
You ever see that video of him "canvassing" before the Election? f**k me sideways.
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So Lee Anderson resigns to vote against the bill. Then votes for it. Alright then.
Not the sharpest tool in the box is he
You ever see that video of him "canvassing" before the Election? f**k me sideways.
The one where he phones his mate to act like he don’t know him with his TV mic still on?
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But, like BST said before it does give the conservatives a narrative that they're doing something and the courts are wrong in not allowing it. Come an election the question will be posed of the other parties and their policies are unclear.
So they have that. But then in reality do most people care? Probably not.
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So Lee Anderson resigns to vote against the bill. Then votes for it. Alright then.
Not the sharpest tool in the box is he
You ever see that video of him "canvassing" before the Election? f**k me sideways.
The one where he phones his mate to act like he don’t know him with his TV mic still on?
Aye. This one.
https://youtu.be/4LmS9CzAY_s?si=8mbfvN_gMcl2ktuX
I'm not sure who's thicker. Him or the people of Ashfield who voted for him after it.
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This was our Prime Minister today.
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1747594726239318445
Berating the next Prime Minister for being an expert in Human Rights legislation.
Because, obviously, it's better for us to be led by someone who got sacked for making up stories in the papers. Or someone who appeared to be clinically insane. Or someone who made his pile working for the financial companies who wrecked the economy, then married a non-dom heiress.
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Oh aye. And someone who appears not to know the difference between a textbook and a photocopy of the cover. Maybe if he read the book, he'd understand why we needed a Convention on Human Rights, and why Britain created the damn thing.
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By the way. Here's 30p fascist Lee Anderson earning part of his £100k a year from GB News, telling them he's yitten as well as thick.
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“Those Labour lot were laughing at me”
https://x.com/carolvorders/status/1747855525994283355?s=61&t=DCRm1C_BBr5pt7J45jXUsA
What an absolute prick!
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“Those Labour lot were laughing at me”
https://x.com/carolvorders/status/1747855525994283355?s=61&t=DCRm1C_BBr5pt7J45jXUsA
What an absolute prick!
That's the link I thought I'd posted last night Filo. What an utter embarrassment that people voted for him.
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Surely after that he must have lost credibility with even his staunchest supporters. He’s not fit to be anywhere near parliament.
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You want to know how far gone the BBC is?
Nick Robinson on R4 this morning called Anderson "The Red Wall made flesh".
That's how shite their understanding of this country is. They think Anderson is representative of folk Oop North. Instead of being the sort of thick as mince fascist gobshite on the make that every place has.
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Sadly 30pLee got what he wanted, headlines and an interview on BBC EM to spout his drivel.
A spot poll in Sutton in Ahfield, his HQ, by BBC EM found plenty that agreed with his drivel
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By the way. All you who take up every mistake that Abbott ever made in spontaneous responses in interviews.
You'll never forget this one.
https://x.com/inglesongrey/status/1747740979233231251?s=20
That's a woman who actually was Deputy PM under Truss. Choosing to stand up in Parliament and demonstrate to the world how thick she is.
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You are certainly doing your bit, Billy.
I’m not sure it will have the desired effect though.
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By the way. All you who take up every mistake that Abbott ever made in spontaneous responses in interviews.
You'll never forget this one.
https://x.com/inglesongrey/status/1747740979233231251?s=20
That's a woman who actually was Deputy PM under Truss. Choosing to stand up in Parliament and demonstrate to the world how thick she is.
They’ll not be happy the Labour front bench are laughing and sniggering
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“Those Labour lot were laughing at me”
https://x.com/carolvorders/status/1747855525994283355?s=61&t=DCRm1C_BBr5pt7J45jXUsA
What an absolute prick!
This is amazing. Big working class hard man who tells it like it is... who runs away when people are laughing at him. What an absolute throbber.
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Everyone is laughing ...... or crying, when a dodgy government trots out dodgy figures easily verified with junior school math ...........
''Rishi Sunak has been rebuked by the UK's statistics watchdog over his claim to have cleared the backlog of asylum claims.
The Home Office claimed earlier this month to have cleared a "legacy" backlog of 92,000 applications lodged before July 2022.
The prime minister then posted on social media to say "the backlog of asylum decisions" had been cleared.
But the watchdog said people may have felt "misled" by his language.
Official figures show a decision had not been reached in 4,537 of the "legacy" cases highlighted by the Home Office.
And they also showed that there are still 98,599 cases in the overall backlog where an initial decision has yet to be made''
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68017887
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Everyone is laughing ...... or crying, when a dodgy government trots out dodgy figures easily verified with junior school math ...........
''Rishi Sunak has been rebuked by the UK's statistics watchdog over his claim to have cleared the backlog of asylum claims.
The Home Office claimed earlier this month to have cleared a "legacy" backlog of 92,000 applications lodged before July 2022.
The prime minister then posted on social media to say "the backlog of asylum decisions" had been cleared.
But the watchdog said people may have felt "misled" by his language.
Official figures show a decision had not been reached in 4,537 of the "legacy" cases highlighted by the Home Office.
And they also showed that there are still 98,599 cases in the overall backlog where an initial decision has yet to be made''
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68017887
Syd, I’m not defending Sunak here and I agree that he was wrong to claim on social media that the backlog had been cleared.
I thought so at the time he did that.
However if the HO has cleared almost 90,000 of the applications lodged before July 2022 then that is a good thing isn’t it?
The 98,599 cases that you are highlighting is presumably post July 2022 applications and if so has nothing to do with the social media statement made by Sunak so I’m not sure why you are mentioning that.
It also emphasises how big the asylum claims thing is.
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They were discussing this on Radio 5 last week and had someone on to explain what the fuss was about. He explained the details of the 90,000 odd cases and why the claim of clearing them was deliberately misleading. In addition to the 4,537 legacy cases still not dealt with the main point of spin for me and I guess many others was that the majority of the cleared cases were cleared by approving them en-bloc as legitimate asylum cases.
So, cleared perhaps but I doubt to the satisfaction of those who want immigration reduced.
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But if Sunak the Prime Miniature sticks to "The Plan" everything will come up roses bcos :
A Labour doesn't have a Plan and
B If they win GE "we" will be " back to square one"
We will hear that more times than the Votes they win
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No need to worry about that outcome Wolfie.
Labour to win by a country mile.
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They were discussing this on Radio 5 last week and had someone on to explain what the fuss was about. He explained the details of the 90,000 odd cases and why the claim of clearing them was deliberately misleading. In addition to the 4,537 legacy cases still not dealt with the main point of spin for me and I guess many others was that the majority of the cleared cases were cleared by approving them en-bloc as legitimate asylum cases.
So, cleared perhaps but I doubt to the satisfaction of those who want immigration reduced.
And THIS gets to the core of the mendacity.
The overwhelming majority of asylum seekers who arrive by "illegal" methods turn out to be genuine asylum seekers. We have a duty to accept genuine asylum seekers. But, other than in a very small number of cases, we've made it physically impossible for people to claim asylum before they arrive here. So we force them into illegal means of arrival, castigate them for that, then quietly accept that their cases are genuine after all.
And if that wasn't enough, our Government which has forced people to arrive by unsafe methods, wheeled out some moral black hole of a minister last night to weep crocodile tears and say the purpose of the Rwanda policy was to deter people from making hazardous boat trips because the Govt has a responsibility to protect people.
Government by spivs and chancers who have besmirched the name of this country for too long. Count the days down till they are out for good.
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Another one for you Abbott trollers to fill your boots with.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1749376358021783874
I'm sure you'll all be guffawing about this in 7 years time.
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Simon Clarke, the Tory MP promoted way above his station because Johnson wanted somebody at the treasury to stand next to Sunak and make him look even shorter than he is, has publicly called for him to go tonight.
He's a relatively senior back bencher in the current Tory party. Could be interesting.
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Just beat me to it MM.
Maybe that was the exciting news we were told to wait for.
In fairness to Sunak, being criticised by a man who thought Truss was right is probably a compliment.
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I'm seeing people referring to him as Sir Simon Clarke? When did this come in? They really will hand these things out to anyone won't they?
Tories have circled the wagons fairly quickly so I'd be surprised if it goes much further.
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I'm seeing people referring to him as Sir Simon Clarke? When did this come in? They really will hand these things out to anyone won't they?
Tories have circled the wagons fairly quickly so I'd be surprised if it goes much further.
Johnson's resignation honours list. Any right minded person would have been ashamed to take it. A mark if honour given by a lying, cheating amoral philanderer.
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Once a thick Kitson...
We all know a Lee. Every Miners' Welfare had one. Gob the size of the hole in our defence, an ego even bigger, and a brain the size of a pea.
So the guy who resigned from his job to vote against the Rwanda Bill and then abstained because Labour MP’s were laughing at him, now wishes he voted for the Bill and would like his job back, what a f**king knob
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You know down south they think everyone from mining towns is as thick as a bucket of monkey spunk?
I wonder why?
Count the days. Well earned obscurity calls for that bell end.
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When they can't even manage to bump off their party leader competently you know the Tory party has fully run out of road.
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When they can't even manage to bump off their party leader competently you know the Tory party has fully run out of road.
I'm thinking they are in big trouble after the election. There's an air of Labour "79 about them. There's basically two parties under one roof and they are anathema to each other. Historically the Tories have been an amazingly disciplined machine, putting on a front of unity. But I can't see how the One Nation Tories and the Clarke/Braverman/Cates faction can possibly unite once the discipline of being in power is lifted. They are already starting to fight like cats in a sack while they are still IN power.
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Best Tweet I saw this lunchtime by the way said, if you're asked by a polling agency who you'll vote for, for God's sake say Tory. Then their numbers might go up and they might call an early election.
Count the days...
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Wonder who will assume command when Sunak loses his seat?
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Boris will be back bigger and stronger unless Nige throws his hat in.
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Wonder who will assume command when Sunak loses his seat?
Badenoch is the favourite.
Yep. That's the extent of the talent pool they have left.
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Wonder who will assume command when Sunak loses his seat?
Whoever it is they won't find their opposite number too much of a challenge. Out of 200 odd Labour MPs Keir Starmer (FFS) is the most talented! :facepalm:
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Boris will be back bigger and stronger unless Nige throws his hat in.
Ha,ha,ha.
That's so unintentionally funny
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Hey! Spanish troll, Spanish troll!
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Very grown up.
Wum
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Should I amend my comment by saying which of the elected MPs, if any, would be the challenger
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Should I amend my comment by saying which of the elected MPs, if any, would be the challenger
Top 5 favourites in order are
Badenoch
Mordaunt
Braverman
Cleverly
Cameron
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Very grown up.
Wum
https://youtu.be/Wt0nFwtQZGc?si=SH3C2IgzXEx1iYdX
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Very grown up.
Wum
https://youtu.be/Wt0nFwtQZGc?si=SH3C2IgzXEx1iYdX
Maybe for the best if you've got nothing to do with your wrinkled old maggot.
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Very grown up.
Wum
https://youtu.be/Wt0nFwtQZGc?si=SH3C2IgzXEx1iYdX
Maybe for the best if you've got nothing to do with your wrinkled old maggot.
Still haven't gotten over your obsession with male genitalia then?
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Sunak's own personal pollster has resigned - over Sunak's polling ratings (and the lack of action of his government & his poor leadership).
He did that yougov poll for the Torygraph apparently:
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1750259857523879986
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Should I amend my comment by saying which of the elected MPs, if any, would be the challenger
Top 5 favourites in order are
Badenoch
Mordaunt
Braverman
Cleverly
Cameron
Very much depends on which MPs are still in office after the election. Braverman would be my tip - she's popular with the swivel eyed psychopaths who make up the Tory membership. But I think her seat might be at risk in the election.
Going back to the pig botherer who started the decline would be oddly fitting though.
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Should I amend my comment by saying which of the elected MPs, if any, would be the challenger
Top 5 favourites in order are
Badenoch
Mordaunt
Braverman
Cleverly
Cameron
Very much depends on which MPs are still in office after the election. Braverman would be my tip - she's popular with the swivel eyed psychopaths who make up the Tory membership. But I think her seat might be at risk in the election.
Going back to the pig botherer who started the decline would be oddly fitting though.
All 4 of those MPs have what would ordinarily be very safe seats. 30%+ winning margins in 2019. But who knows, given the current state of the polls.
At least Cameron will be in Parliament after the election. But yes, the membership will vote for whoever says they hate migrants and woke the most.
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I fancy Mordaunt!!!! Boy the things me and Penny get up to!
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Very grown up.
Wum
https://youtu.be/Wt0nFwtQZGc?si=SH3C2IgzXEx1iYdX
Maybe for the best if you've got nothing to do with your wrinkled old maggot.
BB, you don’t need a line that long to get Iberian to use penis metaphors.
Edit: just seen your post 250 response. You already knew that.
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Very grown up.
Wum
https://youtu.be/Wt0nFwtQZGc?si=SH3C2IgzXEx1iYdX
Maybe for the best if you've got nothing to do with your wrinkled old maggot.
BB, you don’t need a line that long to get Iberian to use penis metaphors.
Edit: just seen your post 250 response. You already knew that.
He is an absolute example of a Labour supporter who justifies reasons for opponents not wishing to vote for them.
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Should I amend my comment by saying which of the elected MPs, if any, would be the challenger
Top 5 favourites in order are
Badenoch
Mordaunt
Braverman
Cleverly
Cameron
Very much depends on which MPs are still in office after the election. Braverman would be my tip - she's popular with the swivel eyed psychopaths who make up the Tory membership. But I think her seat might be at risk in the election.
Going back to the pig botherer who started the decline would be oddly fitting though.
All 4 of those MPs have what would ordinarily be very safe seats. 30%+ winning margins in 2019. But who knows, given the current state of the polls.
At least Cameron will be in Parliament after the election. But yes, the membership will vote for whoever says they hate migrants and woke the most.
That’s what people vote Reform for.
Latest polling has them at 13%, only 7% behind the conservatives.
The best thing for the Tories would be to change direction and go more liberal economically *and* socially if they want to carve out a new niche and offer an optimistic vision for the future. I doubt they will. They are rudderless.
I predict 15 years of Labour gov’t.
So much for Starmer being vanilla and sniped at from the left and right. He’s on a whopping 47%. Sunak has managed to make him look charismatic in comparison.
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And so the in-fighting goes on.
Looks like Johnson's chief Brexit negotiator is in trouble. Organised a poll to undermine Sunak and it looks like the poll was funded by Farage's lot.
They will tear each other to bits after they lose the election.
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You are feeling sleepy, drifting ...... back in time ....... to September 2020 ............ a whole 16 months ago.....
''Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng has today (Friday 2 September) appointed Henry Staunton as the new chairman of Post Office Limited.
Mr Staunton, who has been chairman of WH Smith for the past 9 years, will lead the Board of Directors as the business looks to the future as well as working to right the past wrongs of the Horizon IT dispute.
In the role, Mr Staunton will lead the Post Office as it continues to sustain a modern and thriving network of branches delivering essential services for individuals, communities, and businesses across the UK.
Mr Staunton will take up his post on 1 December 2022 subject to completion of pre-appointment checks. He replaces Tim Parker, who completes his second term as chair on 30 September 2022. Ben Tidswell, currently a non-executive member of the Board, will act as interim chairman during October and November.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/henry-staunton-appointed-as-new-chairman-of-post-office-limited
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You have to laugh, it's the only way of keeping sane with these clowns in charge!
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Bookmark this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873
Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.
Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.
f**k.
Me.
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Bookmark this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873
Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.
Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.
f**k.
Me.
He will no doubt walk into a private sector job paying 4 times the salary of a minister.
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Bookmark this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873
Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.
Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.
f**k.
Me.
Billy. I hope you’re making plans for after the election.
There’s going to be a huge void in your life.
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The ‘fight’ is never over belton in order to ensure we never have to stomach the type of government that has presided over the country for the past 16+ years.
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The ‘fight’ is never over belton in order to ensure we never have to stomach the type of government that has presided over the country for the past 16+ years.
Are you struggling that much financially, CCno.3?
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The ‘fight’ is never over belton in order to ensure we never have to stomach the type of government that has presided over the country for the past 16+ years.
You weren’t a fan of Gordon Brown either given the timescales mentioned?
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Bookmark this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873
Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.
Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.
f**k.
Me.
Of course he's a liar though, because he clearly can afford to pay that on his mortgage on that salary. Not to mention that a jump of that much is rather odd.
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Bookmark this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873
Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.
Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.
f**k.
Me.
Of course he's a liar though, because he clearly can afford to pay that on his mortgage on that salary. Not to mention that a jump of that much is rather odd.
Well Starmer has just quoted “Phil” an Iceland worker in Warrington who says his mortgage is going up by £1000 a month in PMQs today
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Bookmark this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873
Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.
Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.
f**k.
Me.
Of course he's a liar though, because he clearly can afford to pay that on his mortgage on that salary. Not to mention that a jump of that much is rather odd.
Well Starmer has just quoted “Phil” an Iceland worker in Warrington who says his mortgage is going up by £1000 a month in PMQs today
So assuming he had an average house with full mortgage of £255k in Warrington (fairly large mortgage for an Iceland worker). He'd need something like a 7% interest rate increase on his mortgage (very difficult). So he must have a pretty big house (or KS was being flippant with the truth).
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Surely not
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Warrington isn't all that far from Iceland's head office in Deeside. Quite plausible that Phil is a senior manager there and his mortgage has gone up considerably. Not that I condone the rather leading connotations of "an Iceland worker" to make the point.
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Bookmark this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873
Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.
Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.
f**k.
Me.
Rachael Reeves has been moaning her 86 grand salary isn’t enough either as she has “bills”
To pay. Her other half must be on a fair whack too given he is a very senior civil servant . Interesting to see she won’t be re instating bankers bonus caps if/ when labour get in power . Wonder where her friends work ? This was months after she slated bonuses.
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Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.
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https://youtu.be/PobjaQ3rShs?si=uB2HES4yMESUxhQP&t=57
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Are you agreeing that a horse would have been a better choice that johnson?
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Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.
Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?
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Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.
Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?
Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo
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Are you agreeing that a horse would have been a better choice that johnson?
Neigh
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Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.
Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?
Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo
No need to lash out because you don't like the facts Syd .
https://youtu.be/O_xKSRK0tgM?si=Qkxqgu9VC_BRkBOm
Make Brexit Better
Vote Labour
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Are you agreeing that a horse would have been a better choice that johnson?
Well it looks like Keith has got the nosebag on, ready and raring to go.
I think he'll turn out to be more of a carthorse type than a Red Rum type, though.
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Bookmark this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873
Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.
Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.
f**k.
Me.
Rachael Reeves has been moaning her 86 grand salary isn’t enough either as she has “bills”
To pay. Her other half must be on a fair whack too given he is a very senior civil servant . Interesting to see she won’t be re instating bankers bonus caps if/ when labour get in power . Wonder where her friends work ? This was months after she slated bonuses.
Surely not another u turn.
As for helping her mates, #allthesame.
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Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.
Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?
Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo
No need to lash out because you don't like the facts Syd .
https://youtu.be/O_xKSRK0tgM?si=Qkxqgu9VC_BRkBOm
Make Brexit Better
Vote Labour
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Don't you feel a bit stupid tyke (no answer required) you bang on and on about Corbyn and what was done to him and yet you turned your back on him and voted for a liar, someone quite willing to conspire to have someone assaulted, a racist whom hates the working class and has form on the board for being totally incompetent that looks after only himself?
In your own time of course.
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Syd, plenty of Labour voters turned their back on Corbyn, although some only did that after the election.
In fact I read on this very forum that they knew Corbyn would never have won and yet told us beforehand that they would support him.
Afterwards he was slated.
Two faced or what?
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Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.
Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?
Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo
No need to lash out because you don't like the facts Syd .
https://youtu.be/O_xKSRK0tgM?si=Qkxqgu9VC_BRkBOm
Make Brexit Better
Vote Labour
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Don't you feel a bit stupid tyke (no answer required) you bang on and on about Corbyn and what was done to him and yet you turned your back on him and voted for a liar, someone quite willing to conspire to have someone assaulted, a racist whom hates the working class and has form on the board for being totally incompetent that looks after only himself?
In your own time of course.
Well your nearly as big a liar as Johnson is , your just as willing to manipulate a debate to suit your narrative as Johnson whilst showing complete ignorance on political history bordering on incompetent .
Throw in your party's fascination with market led economics , the fact your leader has attended more DAVOS summits than he's ever stood on picket lines , throw in privatisation of the NHS and a liking for cheap immigrant labour one has to wonder who are Today's Tories .
For the last time , the left where I'm from were against the Common Market - EEC - EU even before Boris Johnson wore a silly hat and carried a hockey stick to school .
You may as well call Arthur Scargill a Tory along with Tony Benn and Peter Shore .
Want Tory Policies
Vote Labour
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Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.
Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?
Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo
No need to lash out because you don't like the facts Syd .
https://youtu.be/O_xKSRK0tgM?si=Qkxqgu9VC_BRkBOm
Make Brexit Better
Vote Labour
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Don't you feel a bit stupid tyke (no answer required) you bang on and on about Corbyn and what was done to him and yet you turned your back on him and voted for a liar, someone quite willing to conspire to have someone assaulted, a racist whom hates the working class and has form on the board for being totally incompetent that looks after only himself?
In your own time of course.
Bump, all the rest of your diatribe is just that, suck it up tyke.
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Will all those that voted to allow johnson to become PM in 2019 please leave the room.
Would that include the present Labour leader and half his party ?
Folks, we have a yes from the barnsley echo
No need to lash out because you don't like the facts Syd .
https://youtu.be/O_xKSRK0tgM?si=Qkxqgu9VC_BRkBOm
Make Brexit Better
Vote Labour
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Don't you feel a bit stupid tyke (no answer required) you bang on and on about Corbyn and what was done to him and yet you turned your back on him and voted for a liar, someone quite willing to conspire to have someone assaulted, a racist whom hates the working class and has form on the board for being totally incompetent that looks after only himself?
In your own time of course.
Bump, all the rest of your diatribe is just that, suck it up tyke.
Love you too sweetheart .
Make Brexit Work
Vote Keith
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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you're political position is compromised tyke
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Bookmark this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873
Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.
Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.
f**k.
Me.
Whats a socially acceptable level for you for someone to be able to say they can't afford their mortgage? 100k and a 4 bed house? Downsize to a 3 no? 60k and two cars? Sell one car no? 30k and a 2 bed? Get a flat no?
Who is allowed to say they're struggling with bills? What's your socially acceptable cut off point? I mean apparently train drivers on 65k are "hard working men of the people who must have a pay rise". Are they allowed to at twice the average wage?
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Bookmark this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873
Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.
Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.
f**k.
Me.
Whats a socially acceptable level for you for someone to be able to say they can't afford their mortgage? 100k and a 4 bed house? Downsize to a 3 no? 60k and two cars? Sell one car no? 30k and a 2 bed? Get a flat no?
Who is allowed to say they're struggling with bills? What's your socially acceptable cut off point? I mean apparently train drivers on 65k are "hard working men of the people who must have a pay rise". Are they allowed to at twice the average wage?
That's hardly even the point, that being that a tory comes out and dumps on his own team for f**king up the economy
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Bookmark this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-68133873
Next time you hear a Tory trot out that "we are on the side of the working man against the Elite" line, read this and remind yourself.
Tory Minister resigns a £118k job because he can't make ends meet.
f**k.
Me.
Whats a socially acceptable level for you for someone to be able to say they can't afford their mortgage? 100k and a 4 bed house? Downsize to a 3 no? 60k and two cars? Sell one car no? 30k and a 2 bed? Get a flat no?
Who is allowed to say they're struggling with bills? What's your socially acceptable cut off point? I mean apparently train drivers on 65k are "hard working men of the people who must have a pay rise". Are they allowed to at twice the average wage?
That's hardly even the point, that being that a tory comes out and dumps on his own team for f**king up the economy
Well its fantastically good to know that not one Labour MP said they couldn't afford their mortgage in the 2008 FC could you imagine :ohmy:
Whats the cut off salary for someone to be allowed to say they're struggling with bills? 12k a year? You pay no tax get a second job. 90k a year? Sell your BMW
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Andrea, yes Rishi ......... I want you to go out ......... into the media and calm the horses, let business know 'we're on their side' you know that we have pulled up trees to make this new raft of impediments to business a smooth painless introduction to more costs, no, forget that last bit, you know want I want Andrea, what the government needs, right? and whatever you do don't mention the NHS.
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Andrea, yes Rishi ......... I want you to go out ......... into the media and calm the horses, let business know 'we're on their side' you know that we have pulled up trees to make this new raft of impediments to business a smooth painless introduction to more costs, no, forget that last bit, you know want I want Andrea, what the government needs, right? and whatever you do don't mention the NHS.
Can you provide a link to that Syd please.
You should be able to provide evidence when you write stuff like that.
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I swear if Jacob Reece mogg switched sides, put on an NCB donkey jacket and a red tie some on here would still vote labour.
Wake up folks.
Labour is same shit under a different banner .
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I swear if Jacob Reece mogg switched sides, put on an NCB donkey jacket and a red tie some on here would still vote labour.
Wake up folks.
Labour is same shit under a different banner .
How many times have you voted labour or left of centre come to that nr? I would have thought you'd be over the moon as most of the stuff you pedal is from the far right, no?
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I swear if Jacob Reece mogg switched sides, put on an NCB donkey jacket and a red tie some on here would still vote labour.
Wake up folks.
Labour is same shit under a different banner .
Stupid comment. Because it would never, ever happen.
If Rees-Mogg, supporting the policies that he supports, was embraced by Labour, it means the Labour party would no longer exist in anything like the form that it does at the moment. It would be a far right party.
If that happened, not 1 in 20 current Labour supporters would vote Labour. Because no matter what they were called, they would be a far right party, not a centre left one.
This sort of idle comment is exactly the same as saying if Donny Rovers were bought out by the Rotherham chairman, moved to Rotherham, changed their badge to a windmill and said Ronnie Moore was a club hero, Donny fans would still buy season tickets.
If you don't think they would, why do you think current Labour supporters would vote for a far-right party that called themselves Labour?
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Look at it the other way round.
If Jeremy Corbyn announced he was a Tory and joined the Tory party and was enthusiastically embraced by the Tory party, while still holding his views on the economy, and foreign affairs, do you think Tory voters would say "Yep, that's still my party?" It's too stupid a question to even consider.
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Do you honestly think any MP who changed their political allegiance would show their true colours? You might want to read up on Viscount Rothermere or David Hacking.they don’t become socialists overnight . My point is that the labour party of 2024 bears no resemblance to the Labour Party that most on the left on here subscribe to. That’s why they have only enjoyed 30 years in power out of the last 120. A stark statistic. Long stretches of opposition . A party of protest . Only when they appeal To the centre ground and share values with the centre tories do they succeed. The Labour Party, to me, have become more like an NGO or protest group than a political Party. But you keep voting for them. Like your dad did and your grandad before. Because that makes it right doesn’t it ?
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Because socialism has no relevance in the 21st century. So it’s perfectly reasonable for the Labour Party to have evolved over time.
If Labour split in 2, the leftist party would get nowhere near winning an election. They would be at Lib Dem levels, winning seats in only parts of London and Bristol.
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Do you honestly think any MP who changed their political allegiance would show their true colours? You might want to read up on Viscount Rothermere or David Hacking.they don’t become socialists overnight . My point is that the labour party of 2024 bears no resemblance to the Labour Party that most on the left on here subscribe to. That’s why they have only enjoyed 30 years in power out of the last 120. A stark statistic. Long stretches of opposition . A party of protest . Only when they appeal To the centre ground and share values with the centre tories do they succeed. The Labour Party, to me, have become more like an NGO or protest group than a political Party. But you keep voting for them. Like your dad did and your grandad before. Because that makes it right doesn’t it ?
Really not sure where to start with that.
Your central premise appears to be that Labour has historically not been the natural party of Government because it is seen as being not left wing enough.
Is that what you are saying?
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Google “Why does England vote Tory.” And read the result under Www.opendemocracy.net
That pretty much explains why tories do better than Labour. It’s not going to change anytime soon. Labour may get in power at the next GE . But it won’t be for long. History tells us that .
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The last time Labour were elected, they won 3 elections in a row.
The time before that, they were in power for 11 years out of 15.
I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make.
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The last time was just when the educated idiot period started Billy, and soon went down hill to what are left. the eleven year stint they had some real credible politicians, they were different class and tried to do their best for the country when change was at its height.
The labour party is a far different animal now to what it was then and those men and women, you didn't have to be a labour party member or voter to respect them.
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Google “Why does England vote Tory.” And read the result under Www.opendemocracy.net
That pretty much explains why tories do better than Labour. It’s not going to change anytime soon. Labour may get in power at the next GE . But it won’t be for long. History tells us that .
Thirty years in power in the last 120 years tells a story.
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The last time was just when the educated idiot period started Billy, and soon went down hill to what are left. the eleven year stint they had some real credible politicians, they were different class and tried to do their best for the country when change was at its height.
The labour party is a far different animal now to what it was then and those men and women, you didn't have to be a labour party member or voter to respect them.
Anyone?
Nope, me neither.
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The last time was just when the educated idiot period started Billy, and soon went down hill to what are left. the eleven year stint they had some real credible politicians, they were different class and tried to do their best for the country when change was at its height.
The labour party is a far different animal now to what it was then and those men and women, you didn't have to be a labour party member or voter to respect them.
At last a bit if self reflection ............. I think?
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Won't be long now before the wonderful new Labour Government shows us just how much different they are to the Tories, and just how much they're on the side of working class people.
I can't wait, I've even got the popcorn ready for all the press interviews.
One thing's for certain, the shit will hit the fan big time on here.
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Won't be long now before the wonderful new Labour Government shows us just how much different they are to the Tories, and just how much they're on the side of working class people.
I can't wait, I've even got the popcorn ready for all the press interviews.
One thing's for certain, the shit will hit the fan big time on here.
I'd have thought all the popcorn in the world would have been eaten by now by those that helped this latest series of governments into power Steve, tell me have you still got the unicorn that you swapped for your principles in 2019?
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Steve, Labour will have to win this one for us to have any fun, because if they don't there is a good chance a lot of us will be pushing up daisies before they get into power again.
I think they have to win this election to survive and continue to be anything like the party they presently are.
Lose and it could split into two factions.
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Steve, Labour will have to win this one for us to have any fun, because if they don't there is a good chance a lot of us will be pushing up daisies before they get into power again.
I think they have to win this election to survive and continue to be anything like the party they presently are.
Lose and it could split into two factions.
You do realise selby (maybe not) that you are talking to someone that votes tory
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Well hey Steve, please excuse me for any confusion, you have along with your little coterie slammed labour since what seems like forever for absolutely everything.
And you have totally condemned labour actors for undermining corbyn and yet at the same time been a total devotee to the busted flush that is brexit.
Now in my world you are in the same leaky political boat as tyke, you either forsook your hero corbyn or you have not been truthful in your support of brexit, it can't be both aye?
Oh and give the unicorn a pat from me ............ belay that it sounds a bit weird
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It's going to be a labour white wash, red wash? It's almost a semi annual event with the Cons that they have a vote of no confidence in the leader yet don't get how that makes them look
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Steve, Labour will have to win this one for us to have any fun, because if they don't there is a good chance a lot of us will be pushing up daisies before they get into power again.
I think they have to win this election to survive and continue to be anything like the party they presently are.
Lose and it could split into two factions.
You do realise selby (maybe not) that you are talking to someone that votes tory
An ex-miner voting Tory? You just get f*cking dafter.
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Well hey Steve, please excuse me for any confusion, you have along with your little coterie slammed labour since what seems like forever for absolutely everything.
And you have totally condemned labour actors for undermining corbyn and yet at the same time been a total devotee to the busted flush that is brexit.
Now in my world you are in the same leaky political boat as tyke, you either forsook your hero corbyn or you have not been truthful in your support of brexit, it can't be both aye?
Oh and give the unicorn a pat from me ............ belay that it sounds a bit weird
What, in the name of Christ, are you babbling on about?
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He does write increasingly incomprehensible posts SS doesn’t he.
It is quite ironic that he accuses you of slamming Labour forever when he does exactly the same thing with the Tory’s.
As for saying you vote Tory, where the hell does he get that from?
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Well hey Steve, please excuse me for any confusion, you have along with your little coterie slammed labour since what seems like forever for absolutely everything.
And you have totally condemned labour actors for undermining corbyn and yet at the same time been a total devotee to the busted flush that is brexit.
Now in my world you are in the same leaky political boat as tyke, you either forsook your hero corbyn or you have not been truthful in your support of brexit, it can't be both aye?
Oh and give the unicorn a pat from me ............ belay that it sounds a bit weird
Here's the thing and something I've yet again posted a multitude of times .
Corbyn wasn't my hero , he had the right policies a Labour Party worthy of that name should roll out , absolutely no problem with him on that matter .
However any man who is the leader of this country that can't answer the question whether he'd push the Red Button if we were under attack shouldn't be anywhere near 10 Downing Street .
His hideous relationships with terrorists was extremely questionable and little wonder he was hated by many of the electorate .
There were many good things as I've said on economic policy during his tenure and he understood many peoples frustrations .
Unfortunately most of that credibility went out of the window when it came to the nation's security and his relationships with terrorists .
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That's not surprising for someone that voted tory aye? you don't have enough political capital to be lecturing anyone tyke, you crossed the line in 2019 and placed your trust in a lunatic.
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That's not surprising for someone that voted tory aye? you don't have enough political capital to be lecturing anyone tyke, you crossed the line in 2019 and placed your trust in a lunatic.
If I'd voted for Johnson I'd have said so , why wouldn't I ?
I think what you are doing is the favourite Johnson strategy of more you tell a lie the more likely you believe it will be the truth .
You've more in common with Johnson than you actually realise .
A liar , manipulating and I suspect not very pleasant to know in the real world .
Thankfully we don't share the same country anymore .
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And that post shows exactly what you do tyke, when your brain cell lets you down you use anything to hand to start a fight rather than get to the nub of the matter which is the only thing you care about really is yourself.
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Sydney, stop coming on here and telling lies about people.
While you're at it, go and get some therapy. You seriously need it.
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very clever steve, all that time at uni paid dividends aye?
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very clever steve, all that time at uni paid dividends aye?
Sydders needs a Check up fron the Neck up!
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Here's another sign of a Govt that's fit for the tip.
When a PM manages to insult a murdered child in Parliament, while doing his Culture War thing.
I had the idea that Sunak was principled and decent. But f**k me, he's as unpleasant as any of the rest of them.
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And didn't have the decency to apologise.....
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Well hey Steve, please excuse me for any confusion, you have along with your little coterie slammed labour since what seems like forever for absolutely everything.
And you have totally condemned labour actors for undermining corbyn and yet at the same time been a total devotee to the busted flush that is brexit.
Now in my world you are in the same leaky political boat as tyke, you either forsook your hero corbyn or you have not been truthful in your support of brexit, it can't be both aye?
Oh and give the unicorn a pat from me ............ belay that it sounds a bit weird
Here's the thing and something I've yet again posted a multitude of times .
Corbyn wasn't my hero , he had the right policies a Labour Party worthy of that name should roll out , absolutely no problem with him on that matter .
However any man who is the leader of this country that can't answer the question whether he'd push the Red Button if we were under attack shouldn't be anywhere near 10 Downing Street .
His hideous relationships with terrorists was extremely questionable and little wonder he was hated by many of the electorate .
There were many good things as I've said on economic policy during his tenure and he understood many peoples frustrations .
Unfortunately most of that credibility went out of the window when it came to the nation's security and his relationships with terrorists .
It's a hard question for any human to answer, on one hand you don't want to be a psychopath and kill a load of innocent foreigners, on the other hand you don't want to be berated by people for not wanting to kill innocent foreigners.
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And didn't have the decency to apologise.....
It's really the end isn't it?
He came across as Lee Anderson with a public school accent and an expensive suit.
You expect it if a Kitson like Anderson, but I genuinely thought Sunak was better than this.
I am genuinely shocked to hear the PM of the UK resorting to this in Parliament. Just disgusting.
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I think the time is right for Labour to call a no confidence vote, they’ll lose because the Tories are self serving and desperate to hang on for as long as possible, the Tories then back Sunak how can they then call for a leadership change then, after backing the horrible man publicly?
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And the Tories are fighting like rats in a sack to be the ones who come out of this disgusting show on top.
https://twitter.com/SkyPoliticsHub/status/1755323489332994358
Badenoch is using this to hobble Sunak and press her claims to be the next leader after they get hoyed out.
Every time you think they have reached the bottom of the barrel, they scrape deeper still.
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Sunak of the right captured by the far right, I said previously the world will run out of
popcon
popcorn.
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It's a hard question for any human to answer, on one hand you don't want to be a psychopath and kill a load of innocent foreigners, on the other hand you don't want to be berated by people for not wanting to kill innocent foreigners.
As opposed to making public a National Security policy of refusing to use the nuclear defence option thus guaranteeing, indeed inviting, any enemy state who may hold ideas of aggression to offload their nuclear arsenal on us and killing innocent UK citizens that any human elected to the position of Prime Minister is duty bound to protect.
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It's a hard question for any human to answer, on one hand you don't want to be a psychopath and kill a load of innocent foreigners, on the other hand you don't want to be berated by people for not wanting to kill innocent foreigners.
As opposed to making public a National Security policy of refusing to use the nuclear defence option thus guaranteeing, indeed inviting, any enemy state who may hold ideas of aggression to offload their nuclear arsenal on us and killing innocent UK citizens that any human elected to the position of Prime Minister is duty bound to protect.
Majority of the nations in the world don't have nukes, they're not all getting nuked every other week.
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And didn't have the decency to apologise.....
It's really the end isn't it?
He came across as Lee Anderson with a public school accent and an expensive suit.
You expect it if a Kitson like Anderson, but I genuinely thought Sunak was better than this.
I am genuinely shocked to hear the PM of the UK resorting to this in Parliament. Just disgusting.
Apparently Sunak has invited her to No10 to discuss her project. If I were her I'd make it known that I'd only accept if Sunak apologises in public.
It's time people stood up to this evident abuse of power.
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He really is a brain-dead piece of shit. I know it's a pre prepared line, but Starmer has just mentioned the poor woman was in the building 30 seconds before. He just bumbles into it because he's mentally deficient and doesn't have a shred of empathy in him.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1755549518106423789?t=VqFWYGgxutdBVC4DxWp9dg&s=19
Here he is refusing to apologise while smirking like a Kitson.
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He really is a brain-dead piece of shit. I know it's a pre prepared line, but Starmer has just mentioned the poor woman was in the building 30 seconds before. He just bumbles into it because he's mentally deficient and doesn't have a shred of empathy in him.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1755549518106423789?t=VqFWYGgxutdBVC4DxWp9dg&s=19
Here he is refusing to apologise while smirking like a Kitson.
Hard for him to apologise, they've been using trans rights as a weapon for months, if he apologises for saying what he said yesterday then they'll question his comments over the past year. He's in a no win situation.
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Somebody say Cleverley is in the running to be the next Tory leader?
https://twitter.com/JamesCleverly/status/1759597950353752091
He clearly knows what the party membership wants. A cruel, xenophobic Kitson.
Count the days down. Not long now.
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Some are pleased to have the Guardian around to help.
''A spokesperson said: ‘Mr Gove is grateful to the Guardian for bringing this matter to his attention''
''Michael Gove failed to register hospitality with donor whose firm he referred for PPE contracts
Exclusive: Gove enjoyed VIP hospitality at football match with owner of company awarded £164m of contracts after Gove’s referral''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/20/michael-gove-failed-to-register-hospitality-from-donor-whose-firm-he-referred-for-ppe-contracts
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I’m sure Gove will be forgiven for an oversight.
Other MPs have been haven’t they.
Isn’t Starmer an Arsenal fan by the way?
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Some are pleased to have the Guardian around to help.
''A spokesperson said: ‘Mr Gove is grateful to the Guardian for bringing this matter to his attention''
''Michael Gove failed to register hospitality with donor whose firm he referred for PPE contracts
Exclusive: Gove enjoyed VIP hospitality at football match with owner of company awarded £164m of contracts after Gove’s referral''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/20/michael-gove-failed-to-register-hospitality-from-donor-whose-firm-he-referred-for-ppe-contracts
Masks full of Columbian marching powder,so he has an excuse.
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You put your right hand in, your left hand out, in out, in out ...............
''Jeremy Hunt’s expected pre-election giveaway budget will be sandwiched between £20bn of tax increases already implemented and a further £17bn of hikes pencilled in for after polling day, a thinktank has said.
The Resolution Foundation said it expected Hunt to freeze fuel duty and cut income tax on 6 March but warned the chancellor’s “tax sandwich” was based on the “fiscal fiction” of £30bn of spending cuts in the next parliament.
Coinciding with the release of the last set of figures for the public finances before the budget, a report from the thinktank said lower interest rates would reduce government borrowing and increase Hunt’s room for manoeuvre by £10bn to £23bn''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/21/jeremy-hunt-budget-giveaway-sits-in-tax-sandwich-thinktank-warns
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Somebody say Cleverley is in the running to be the next Tory leader?
https://twitter.com/JamesCleverly/status/1759597950353752091
He clearly knows what the party membership wants. A cruel, xenophobic Kitson.
Count the days down. Not long now.
This.
https://twitter.com/iainoverton/status/1759710226721144866
This is what this bunch of shits for souls have led us to.
Horrible, soulless people serving up bigotry to horrible, soulless people.
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This is what I mean by the way when I've said that the Tories have an existential crisis on their hands.
They have nothing whatsoever to offer but feeding this disgusting bigotry.
No economic vision.
No vision of what we should be as a country.
No vision of how to address the climate crisis or the fact that young people cannot afford homes.
Just this shit, served up to attract bigots.
But the real problem they have is that the younger generations don't buy that. They hate that attitude. And the demographic that buys into it is literally dying away.
But don't take my word for it. Here's the Deputy leader of the Conservative Home website saying pretty much exactly the same thing.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/19/rishi-sunak-tories-byelections-politics-may-election
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Hard to believe, but this utterly insane woman-child was the PM of the UK 18 months back.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1760272980788003181
Apparently it was Woke that led to her being the worst PM in history. Funny, that, cos I'm sure it was the financial markets appraising her Budget as being the most crackpot set of economic policies enacted in this country for a century.
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Seen a clip of her palling around with Steve Bannon at CPAC, rambling about the "deep state". Would love to be able to perceive the world as she sees it for a day, it would be like the strongest LSD known to man.
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Serious question.
How can she possibly retain the Tory party whip after this?
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1761069708759929223
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By Christ, if Truss and Jo Swinson were put in a room together, it'd need f*cking padding.
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Serious question.
How can she possibly retain the Tory party whip after this?
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1761069708759929223
Because they're relying on votes from people who agree with her to avoid complete electoral wipeout.
Old 30p Lee was at it again too.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1761102075167953197?t=h6bDdiF6j3gHRv237jbCaQ&s=19
That's just explicit racism. Is he going to face any consequences whatsoever? Course not.
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Serious question.
How can she possibly retain the Tory party whip after this?
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1761069708759929223
Because they're relying on votes from people who agree with her to avoid complete electoral wipeout.
Old 30p Lee was at it again too.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1761102075167953197?t=h6bDdiF6j3gHRv237jbCaQ&s=19
That's just explicit racism. Is he going to face any consequences whatsoever? Course not.
And STILL there are people who insist theres no difference between Labour and the Tories.
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Serious question.
How can she possibly retain the Tory party whip after this?
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1761069708759929223
Because they're relying on votes from people who agree with her to avoid complete electoral wipeout.
Old 30p Lee was at it again too.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1761102075167953197?t=h6bDdiF6j3gHRv237jbCaQ&s=19
That's just explicit racism. Is he going to face any consequences whatsoever? Course not.
And STILL there are people who insist theres no difference between Labour and the Tories.
And Liz Truss engaging in far right crap in the US, nodding agreement when the presenter called Tommy Robinson a hero and saying a Hamas supporting terrorist could win in Rochdale.
Blaming everything, including her downfall, on illegal immigration and Leftist woke infiltrators along with the Bank of England. Praising Trump and saying Biden should be kicked out.
How on earth did this maniac get to be PM.
She's as mad as a box of frogs.
Sunak should act to shut up her and 30p Lee, but he won't.
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Is 30p just the mouthpiece for Tory view on Islamophobia. Let's wait and see the re action from Rich-ie
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The f**king state of this.
https://x.com/BBCNews/status/1761408215735050242?s=20
That Kitson Anderson finally steps over the red line, calling Sadiq Khan "mates" with Islamists, and the BBC describe this as "criticism". Like Anderson was having a reasonable debate.
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Suspended
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For not saying sorry not for what he said!!!! And not a word from No10
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For not saying sorry not for what he said!!!! And not a word from No10
Sunak’s in his counting house……..
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Not a word from the Government yet about how to deal with Truss appearing on US TV, saying Jihadis will get into Parliament and gurning like a nodding dog when an insurrection supporter and convict calls Yaxley-Lennon a "hero".
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Not a word from the Government yet about how to deal with Truss appearing on US TV, saying Jihadis will get into Parliament and gurning like a nodding dog when an insurrection supporter and convict calls Yaxley-Lennon a "hero".
Or indeed on Braverman, who said exactly the same thing Anderson did apart from singling out Khan.
You'd be forgiven for thinking Anderson hadn't lost the whip at all after listening to the Tories on the media this morning.
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Here's a word or two
''''Robert Buckland has launched a broadside against Lee Anderson, Suella Braverman and Liz Truss and said that any Conservative politician intent on stoking division “had better get out and join another party”.
Buckland, the Tory MP for South Swindon and a former justice secretary, criticised his colleagues for “dangerous” rhetoric in the past week'' .....................
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/25/former-justice-secretary-calls-out-tory-party-colleagues-over-dangerous-rhetoric
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Add the V-sign flicking Andrea Jenkyns to the list of those that should have the whip withdrawn.
https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1761832727924346965
I honestly thought that the real meltdown would happen AFTER the election, when the bigots and racists made their move to take over the Tory party, but once again, it looks like I've overestimated their ability to control themselves and actually, y'know, like...run the f**king country before they get hoyed out.
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Wasn't it a middle finger flick?
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Yes it was actually.
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He didn't single out just Khan, he included Starmer in is quote, but it has been edited out for you to feed off.
It was not racial as he included a white toff with the same ideals. you just gobbled an edited version of his full statement to further some ones agenda.
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Anderson rebuts braverman and says he doesn't believe the Muslims control the country but they have control of Khan and London and Starmer.
Starmer doesn't control London. Those that believe it must be really dim.
It is offensive.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/24/lee-anderson-stripped-of-tory-whip-over-sadiq-khan-comment
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He didn't single out just Khan, he included Starmer in is quote, but it has been edited out for you to feed off.
It was not racial as he included a white toff with the same ideals. you just gobbled an edited version of his full statement to further some ones agenda.
Is that the line being peddled for gullible racists this morning, or did you come up with it yourself.
Either way, how does that square with the racist Anderson saying,
"He (Khan) has given London away to his mates (radical Islamists)."
It's the sort of lazy, ignorant racist shit that a racist shit like Anderson would trot out to his racist shit mates without anyone batting an eyelid.
It's easy for a serious politician to call it out as racist shit. I wonder why Sunak steadfastly refuses to do so.
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Still. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised at this sort of racist shit against Khan from senior Tories.
Zac Goldsmith got a peerage after this disgusting slander.
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Sunak has spoken out according to the lunchtime news.
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Yes and the mantra is "he was wrong" Wrong is the key word that all the Govt interviewees are using, not racist.
And he is now suspended for using the WRONG words not as per the weekend for refusing to apologise
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Again weasel words from government though technically it’s not racist it’s defamation
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Again weasel words from government though technically it’s not racist it’s defamation
I don't see how it can be seen as anything other than racist.
There is absolutely zero evidence that Khan has any sympathy for radical Islamists. Anderson is doing what Goldsmith did in 2016. Racist dog whistling making the connection based on ethnicity and religious background.
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Meanwhile, still no word from the Tory party on disciplinary action against Truss.
If they won't discipline her for standing at the side of a far right rabble rousers while he called a racist thug a "hero"...
If they won't discipline here for the stupidity of saying a Jihadi party will get into Parliament...
You'd thing they'd have a slam dunk case to discipline here for publicly calling for another party to interfere with the Tory party.
Because that's what she did last week. The woman who was UK PM 15 months back asked Steve Bannon live on TV "Would you work with Nigel Farage to restructure the Tory party?"
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Again weasel words from government though technically it’s not racist it’s defamation
I don't see how it can be seen as anything other than racist.
There is absolutely zero evidence that Khan has any sympathy for radical Islamists. Anderson is doing what Goldsmith did in 2016. Racist dog whistling making the connection based on ethnicity and religious background.
It’s semantics BST that’s all, racist is defined as showing prejudice, discrimination or antagonism against someone based on their race which has not happened here. He has accused him of something (likely to be untrue) so defamation / slander
Imho
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Ldr.
I think the context here makes it very important to get this right.
Anderson, and others, are pouring petrol on societal flames here. They are encouraging and normalising racist views (Muslim=Bad).
If you want to stick to the semantics, ok. Anderson's logic clearly and unambiguously displays prejudice by implying that Khan supports Islamist radicals with no evidence whatsoever, other than the fact that he shares their ethnicity and religious background.
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And it would seem he has sympathy and support withing the Party based on whatsapp messages as per the Beeb
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I know people who are Muslim. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Christian. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Atheist. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are British. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are from Europe. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Tories. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Labour. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
etc...etc...
Anyone notice a pattern?
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Ldr.
I think the context here makes it very important to get this right.
Anderson, and others, are pouring petrol on societal flames here. They are encouraging and normalising racist views (Muslim=Bad).
If you want to stick to the semantics, ok. Anderson's logic clearly and unambiguously displays prejudice by implying that Khan supports Islamist radicals with no evidence whatsoever, other than the fact that he shares their ethnicity and religious background.
I think we are in broad agreement tbh Billy, just a pet hate that words get thrown around so easily these day they lose impact (racist, genocide etc)
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Why can they not just come out and call this what it was?
https://twitter.com/HenryRiley1/status/1762398741334516083
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1762124574928302428
Or if they don't think Anderson's diatribe was Islamophobic, explain what about it WAS wrong.
They can't of course, because they are trying to appeal to both decent, reasonable Tories, and the racists that they fear losing to Reform.
And THAT is the hole you get into when you indulge racism.
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Anderson alleges Khan has lost control of London based on what I have seen he has, the Police have also failed to do something about anti Jewish demonstrations on mass, I m sure if Tommy Robinson turned up outside a London Mosque with a hand full of his ‘mates’ we would see a different response from both Khan and the Police!
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No one indulges in racism in the form of accusations more than Labour and its supporters. It is the first "go-to" route in a desperate act of promoting a Labour party that has absolutely nothing good to say about itself.
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Go-to or no-go bb
''Tory MP Paul Scully claims there are ‘no-go’ areas in Birmingham and London
Ex-London minister’s comments about areas with large Muslim populations – for which he apologised – described as ‘utter drivel’
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/feb/26/tory-mp-paul-scully-claims-there-are-no-go-areas-in-birmingham-and-london
At least he had the sense to apologise, but his train of thought?
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As I said earlier the mantra is "what he said was wrong" but none of them are saying why it was wrong. I see Nick Ferrari cut short an interview with one of the immigration ministers after asking him 6 times why it was wrong, the.minister couldn't or wouldn't say why just kept repeating "it was wrong"
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I know people who are Muslim. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Christian. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Atheist. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are British. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are from Europe. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Tories. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Labour. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
etc...etc...
Anyone notice a pattern?
I think I'm getting the drift here HA, can I have a go?
I know people who are Leeds United fans. One or two of them are really nice folks, but most of them are a bit of a pain in the arse.
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I know people who are Muslim. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Christian. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Atheist. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are British. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are from Europe. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Tories. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Labour. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
etc...etc...
Anyone notice a pattern?
I think I'm getting the drift here HA, can I have a go?
I know people who are Leeds United fans. One or two of them are really nice folks, but most of them are a bit of a pain in the arse.
You're bang on the money with this one Pancho. I'm amazed that you know a couple who are nice folks though!
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I know people who are Muslim. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Christian. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Atheist. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are British. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are from Europe. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Tories. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
I know people who are Labour. Most are really nice folks, one or two are a bit of a pain in the arse.
etc...etc...
Anyone notice a pattern?
I think I'm getting the drift here HA, can I have a go?
I know people who are Leeds United fans. One or two of them are really nice folks, but most of them are a bit of a pain in the arse.
You're bang on the money with this one Pancho. I'm amazed that you know a couple who are nice folks though!
I typed that through gritted teeth Herbert, I didn't want to spoil your format!
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Go-to or no-go bb
''Tory MP Paul Scully claims there are ‘no-go’ areas in Birmingham and London
Ex-London minister’s comments about areas with large Muslim populations – for which he apologised – described as ‘utter drivel’
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/feb/26/tory-mp-paul-scully-claims-there-are-no-go-areas-in-birmingham-and-london
At least he had the sense to apologise, but his train of thought?
From my experience, there are absolutely no 'No-Go' areas in London whatsoever. There are some areas that I'd rather not be at midnight on a Saturday night, just as I really wouldn't have wanted to be in Rossington village at midnight on a Saturday night in the early 80's. The biggest risk then and now was bumping into a group of pissed people and not bumping into a group of religious people.
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Are the areas muslim, christian or hindu or other HA, if not you have totally missed the point.
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I doubt not being in those areas as HA says has anything to do with any one particular religeon
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You know I've been saying for years that this Govt has absolutely zero to offer but Culture War and they will go all out to stir it up?
You know how it always sounds like I'm exaggerating for effect...until you look at what they are actually doing?
Get this one. Sunak today has used these words in a meeting with senior police leaders.
"There is a growing consensus that mob rule is replacing democratic rule...I am going to do whatever it requires to protect our democracy and our values that we all hold dear."
Christ. What have we become? Haiti? Zimbabwe? Barnsley?
Funny thing is, I've been to Manchester and back with work today. The trains ran. Someone got up to offer their seat to an old woman. There weren't many gangs of anti-democratic rioters running up Oxford Road and Deansgate. But apparently the Mob is going to destroy our democracy.
Do you reckon they think no-one in the country ever goes out?
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I guess it's more what the tories are saying themselves ........
''We’ve surveyed Conservative members, and it’s clear that the radical right is winning the battle for the party’s soul
Nick Lowles is chief executive of Hope Not Hate' (who can forget this organisation aye?)
More than half of Tory members in poll say Islam a threat to British way of life''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/28/tories-islamophobic-conservative-party-members-hope-not-hate
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You know I've been saying for years that this Govt has absolutely zero to offer but Culture War and they will go all out to stir it up?
You know how it always sounds like I'm exaggerating for effect...until you look at what they are actually doing?
Get this one. Sunak today has used these words in a meeting with senior police leaders.
"There is a growing consensus that mob rule is replacing democratic rule...I am going to do whatever it requires to protect our democracy and our values that we all hold dear."
Christ. What have we become? Haiti? Zimbabwe? Barnsley?
Funny thing is, I've been to Manchester and back with work today. The trains ran. Someone got up to offer their seat to an old woman. There weren't many gangs of anti-democratic rioters running up Oxford Road and Deansgate. But apparently the Mob is going to destroy our democracy.
Do you reckon they think no-one in the country ever goes out?
Harriet Harman gets out a bit .
https://x.com/GMB/status/1762742521740894448?s=20
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Tyke, you and hound are like peas in a pod, you either really don't understand or you expect others to accept your idiotic interpretations
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I’m sure I have read on here that the UK was being likened to 1930’s Germany because of this government.
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You know I've been saying for years that this Govt has absolutely zero to offer but Culture War and they will go all out to stir it up?
You know how it always sounds like I'm exaggerating for effect...until you look at what they are actually doing?
Get this one. Sunak today has used these words in a meeting with senior police leaders.
"There is a growing consensus that mob rule is replacing democratic rule...I am going to do whatever it requires to protect our democracy and our values that we all hold dear."
Christ. What have we become? Haiti? Zimbabwe? Barnsley?
Funny thing is, I've been to Manchester and back with work today. The trains ran. Someone got up to offer their seat to an old woman. There weren't many gangs of anti-democratic rioters running up Oxford Road and Deansgate. But apparently the Mob is going to destroy our democracy.
Do you reckon they think no-one in the country ever goes out?
Harriet Harman gets out a bit .
https://x.com/GMB/status/1762742521740894448?s=20
Wise words there from Harriet Harman in my opinion.
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You know I've been saying for years that this Govt has absolutely zero to offer but Culture War and they will go all out to stir it up?
You know how it always sounds like I'm exaggerating for effect...until you look at what they are actually doing?
Get this one. Sunak today has used these words in a meeting with senior police leaders.
"There is a growing consensus that mob rule is replacing democratic rule...I am going to do whatever it requires to protect our democracy and our values that we all hold dear."
Christ. What have we become? Haiti? Zimbabwe? Barnsley?
Funny thing is, I've been to Manchester and back with work today. The trains ran. Someone got up to offer their seat to an old woman. There weren't many gangs of anti-democratic rioters running up Oxford Road and Deansgate. But apparently the Mob is going to destroy our democracy.
Do you reckon they think no-one in the country ever goes out?
Alan Partridge into his dictaphone:
Idea for a new show: ‘Billy Goes Out’. We follow Billy on his daily journeys. It could be a train ride, a bus trip or even a walk in the park. If Billy comes back unscathed, we then inform the Prime Minister that all is well.
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Very good Belton.
Being serious again for a moment, I don't doubt that some MPs are being harassed and perhaps even intimidated by protesters. That shouldn't happen and action should be taken in those instances.
The issue is, extrapolating from that to claim, as the PM did yesterday, that our democratic system is under assault from mob rule. Which is quite a claim from a PM of UK.
But maybe you don't have anything to add to that issue?
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I’m sure I have read on here that the UK was being likened to 1930’s Germany because of this government.
Bump.
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Very good Belton.
Being serious again for a moment, I don't doubt that some MPs are being harassed and perhaps even intimidated by protesters. That shouldn't happen and action should be taken in those instances.
The issue is, extrapolating from that to claim, as the PM did yesterday, that our democratic system is under assault from mob rule. Which is quite a claim from a PM of UK.
But maybe you don't have anything to add to that issue?
Well when we've seen two MP's brutally murdered by extremists in the last 10 years and MPs are now running a gauntlet of hate should they find themselves around Parliament Square perhaps some of these claims have meat on the bones .
Although it's nowt as bad as Barnsley town centre this afternoon , frightening scenes .
https://youtu.be/WCDJgWwzftU?si=LI2qGhIA2xWlpdEC
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I misheard Sunak. I thought he was referring to when Starmer took office and we would be descending into "knob rule."
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Very good Belton.
Being serious again for a moment, I don't doubt that some MPs are being harassed and perhaps even intimidated by protesters. That shouldn't happen and action should be taken in those instances.
The issue is, extrapolating from that to claim, as the PM did yesterday, that our democratic system is under assault from mob rule. Which is quite a claim from a PM of UK.
But maybe you don't have anything to add to that issue?
Well when we've seen two MP's brutally murdered by extremists in the last 10 years and MPs are now running a gauntlet of hate should they find themselves around Parliament Square perhaps some of these claims have meat on the bones .
Although it's nowt as bad as Barnsley town centre this afternoon , frightening scenes .
https://youtu.be/WCDJgWwzftU?si=LI2qGhIA2xWlpdEC
Tyke, MPs are getting groups of protesters haranguing them at their own front doors these days.
That can’t be allowed.
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Very good Belton.
Being serious again for a moment, I don't doubt that some MPs are being harassed and perhaps even intimidated by protesters. That shouldn't happen and action should be taken in those instances.
The issue is, extrapolating from that to claim, as the PM did yesterday, that our democratic system is under assault from mob rule. Which is quite a claim from a PM of UK.
But maybe you don't have anything to add to that issue?
Well when we've seen two MP's brutally murdered by extremists in the last 10 years and MPs are now running a gauntlet of hate should they find themselves around Parliament Square perhaps some of these claims have meat on the bones .
Although it's nowt as bad as Barnsley town centre this afternoon , frightening scenes .
https://youtu.be/WCDJgWwzftU?si=LI2qGhIA2xWlpdEC
Tyke, MPs are getting groups of protesters haranguing them at their own front doors these days.
That can’t be allowed.
It's a very worrying situation Hound , the continued radicalisation of the left since this conflict began in Israel and Gaza and we've seen when Jo Cox was murdered what can happen with the Far Right .
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Very good Belton.
Being serious again for a moment, I don't doubt that some MPs are being harassed and perhaps even intimidated by protesters. That shouldn't happen and action should be taken in those instances.
The issue is, extrapolating from that to claim, as the PM did yesterday, that our democratic system is under assault from mob rule. Which is quite a claim from a PM of UK.
But maybe you don't have anything to add to that issue?
Well when we've seen two MP's brutally murdered by extremists in the last 10 years and MPs are now running a gauntlet of hate should they find themselves around Parliament Square perhaps some of these claims have meat on the bones .
Although it's nowt as bad as Barnsley town centre this afternoon , frightening scenes .
https://youtu.be/WCDJgWwzftU?si=LI2qGhIA2xWlpdEC
Then get on with the job of ensuring security for politicians. I agree 100% that needs doing and I don't need lecturing on that topic, unlike some in here who think that is part of their job.
What I don't accept is the ridiculous extrapolation from that specific issue to a claim that our entire system is under threat from mob rule. It's a huge exaggeration by a PM who is stoking Culture War flames at every single opportunity.
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Did Sunak say that the entire system is under threat from mob rule.
I don’t think he did go that far.
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Very good Belton.
Being serious again for a moment, I don't doubt that some MPs are being harassed and perhaps even intimidated by protesters. That shouldn't happen and action should be taken in those instances.
The issue is, extrapolating from that to claim, as the PM did yesterday, that our democratic system is under assault from mob rule. Which is quite a claim from a PM of UK.
But maybe you don't have anything to add to that issue?
Like you, I don’t witness mob rule whenever I leave my front door. That doesn’t mean there aren’t problems in our society. I don’t agree with Sunak when he uses the term ‘general consensus’ but he is right to include his concerns to a wider scale.
I also believe that if Starmer made a speech about the country going to the dogs democratically and voicing concerns about mob rule and such like, in a bid to win over some more voters, you’d be right behind him.
Instead, this is is just another example of you losing credibility as your obsession hurtles towards the general election.
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And you're back to telling me what you reckon I think. How many times?
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And you're back to telling me what you reckon I think. How many times?
I’m giving my opinion Billy. Just like you thought I might not have one on the subject.
Let’s not turn this into something else, eh?
I’ll tell you what, I’ll take back the bit you don’t like and I’ll ask you instead.
If Starmer had said it, would you be on here ridiculing him?
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Is anyone seriously doubting that the government are whipping up the 'mob rule' agenda? Women in most cases are not worried about being attacked or abused by other women. I think women are vulnerable by the prehistoric attitudes of some men, just look at the relevant headlines in the previous 24 hrs, or the attitudes of johnson and cummings. Also some of those that post rubbish about women in their blokey, blokey way and then abuse any that point it out.
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Very good Belton.
Being serious again for a moment, I don't doubt that some MPs are being harassed and perhaps even intimidated by protesters. That shouldn't happen and action should be taken in those instances.
The issue is, extrapolating from that to claim, as the PM did yesterday, that our democratic system is under assault from mob rule. Which is quite a claim from a PM of UK.
But maybe you don't have anything to add to that issue?
Well when we've seen two MP's brutally murdered by extremists in the last 10 years and MPs are now running a gauntlet of hate should they find themselves around Parliament Square perhaps some of these claims have meat on the bones .
Although it's nowt as bad as Barnsley town centre this afternoon , frightening scenes .
https://youtu.be/WCDJgWwzftU?si=LI2qGhIA2xWlpdEC
Then get on with the job of ensuring security for politicians. I agree 100% that needs doing and I don't need lecturing on that topic, unlike some in here who think that is part of their job.
What I don't accept is the ridiculous extrapolation from that specific issue to a claim that our entire system is under threat from mob rule. It's a huge exaggeration by a PM who is stoking Culture War flames at every single opportunity.
It disturbs me greatly when the Speaker Of The House has to undertake unprecedented measures because he fears for the safety of MP's .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68369143
Now whilst that in itself doesn't mean our democracy is now at the mercy of mobs on the streets it's none the less an extremely serious and worrying and even at last week's level a step way too far .
I'll tell you this for nowt Billy and you can come back at me all you want but it won't change my mind .
Last week's events have resonated with many people in this country , normal , working people and my instinct tells me the current political class have run out of road with the people .
Someone will fill that space .
I'm not here to score points with you and that's a promise .
The Liberal Class are going to be in huge trouble .
Slightly different thing but none the less , think 1970's trade unions , think the country got sick and tired of it , think what happened in the 80's .
Trump will probably be elected in the US , the EU Parliament will have even more right wing MP's , Germany is moving more to the Right , Netherlands , Italy , the huge problems they've had in Sweden and Denmark .
The Labour government is going to be overwhelmed with problems , the Conservatives are probably done for , perhaps for ever .
The space will simply open up .
The Right is on the march and I don't see how they will be stopped .
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Belton, with respect, you're asking me a meaningless question.
One of the reasons I prefer Labour to this generation of the Tories is that, generally, the farmer's leaders DON'T make ridiculous comments like this one.[1]
You're asking me what my response would be in an entity hypothetical situation, because, generally, Starmer doesn't make comments that are anywhere close to the level of exaggeration on such a potentially explosive subject that Sunak has just done.
If he did, then absolutely, yes I would call it out. Starmer has said one simply wrong thing recently, that we have maxed out the nation's credit card under the Tories. That's simply wrong and I've no hesitation in saying so. But that specific comment isn't going to throw petrol on the flames of a simmering culture war. It's using the Tories' own (wrong) criticism of Labour 15 years ago to neutralise their (wrong) criticisms of Labour's own policies. I don't like it and I really wish he hadn't said it, but that's a world away from announcing that democracy itself is in danger.
[1] When Labour leaders HAVE said things that are dangerously stupid in the past, I've absolutely condemned them. The most egregious one in the past decade was Corbyn actually standing up in Parliament and saying we should work in collaboration with the FSB to find out the truth of the Salisbury poisonings. Absolutely insane, either from naive stupidity, or malign intent.
You don't need to guess for yourself how I think. Read what I actually say.
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Tyke.
Go on. What were these epoch changing events last week?
Was the Cabinet taken hostage and assassinated?
Was there a coup d'etat that I slept through?
Did terrorists kill 1,000 people in a shopping centre?
What is it that's got you and your mates so wound up?
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Belton, with respect, you're asking me a meaningless question.
One of the reasons I prefer Labour to this generation of the Tories is that, generally, the farmer's leaders DON'T make ridiculous comments like this one.[1]
You're asking me what my response would be in an entity hypothetical situation, because, generally, Starmer doesn't make comments that are anywhere close to the level of exaggeration on such a potentially explosive subject that Sunak has just done.
If he did, then absolutely, yes I would call it out. Starmer has said one simply wrong thing recently, that we have maxed out the nation's credit card under the Tories. That's simply wrong and I've no hesitation in saying so. But that specific comment isn't going to throw petrol on the flames of a simmering culture war. It's using the Tories' own (wrong) criticism of Labour 15 years ago to neutralise their (wrong) criticisms of Labour's own policies. I don't like it and I really wish he hadn't said it, but that's a world away from announcing that democracy itself is in danger.
[1] When Labour leaders HAVE said things that are dangerously stupid in the past, I've absolutely condemned them. The most egregious one in the past decade was Corbyn actually standing up in Parliament and saying we should work in collaboration with the FSB to find out the truth of the Salisbury poisonings. Absolutely insane, either from naive stupidity, or malign intent.
You don't need to guess for yourself how I think. Read what I actually say.
[/Belton, with respect, you're asking me a meaningless question.
One of the reasons I prefer Labour to this generation of the Tories is that, generally, the farmer's leaders DON'T make ridiculous comments like this one.[1]
You're asking me what my response would be in an entity hypothetical situation, because, generally, Starmer doesn't make comments that are anywhere close to the level of exaggeration on such a potentially explosive subject that Sunak has just done.
If he did, then absolutely, yes I would call it out. Starmer has said one simply wrong thing recently, that we have maxed out the nation's credit card under the Tories. That's simply wrong and I've no hesitation in saying so. But that specific comment isn't going to throw petrol on the flames of a simmering culture war. It's using the Tories' own (wrong) criticism of Labour 15 years ago to neutralise their (wrong) criticisms of Labour's own policies. I don't like it and I really wish he hadn't said it, but that's a world away from announcing that democracy itself is in danger.
[1] When Labour leaders HAVE said things that are dangerously stupid in the past, I've absolutely condemned them. The most egregious one in the past decade was Corbyn actually standing up in Parliament and saying we should work in collaboration with the FSB to find out the truth of the Salisbury poisonings. Absolutely insane, either from naive stupidity, or malign intent.
You don't need to guess for yourself how I think. Read what I actually say.
This is one area where you and I think entirely differently. Because you believe that all Sunak and the Tories have left is the culture war, you read things - as you’ve done here - and make them fit into your beliefs (to clarify, this is just my opinion based on years and years and years of condemnation from you of pretty much everything Tory)
I read what Sunak said and thought, a bit exaggerated, but you’ve got a point.
I don’t think what Sunak said was any of the things you’ve described, which is why I believe Starmer could and would say something similar, especially if he thought it would win some votes.
Using Corbyn’s FSB comments in relation to what we are talking about here to somehow show an impartiality to calling out all sides, is bizarre.
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1) I used Corbyn's example because a) it was an utterly stupid thing to say which, if acted on could only weaken Britain and b) it gave an insight into motives.
In that sense, it has a good correlation with what Sunak said. Sunak's words are stupidly dangerous in that they exaggerate a tense but manageable situation and can if acted on cause more problems for Britain, and b) they give an insight into motives - in this case they fit a pattern of the Tories actively wanting to stir up inter-community anymosity. See for example what Braverman and other have been saying about "no-go areas" (which don't exist) or the Rwanda farrago, or the continued hammering on about "Woke". It's very much in the Tories' electoral interest to have their supporters scared of societal changes, and to stir up that fear.
2) You believe Starmer could and would say similar things. He's been in position for 4 years. Surely you could find some examples, rather than guessing what he might do? Or, alternatively, how long does he have to NOT say similar things before you change your mind.
3) Shouldn't need saying but it does. IF Starmer said similar things, I would condemn it unreservedly, as I did when Labour published that disgusting poster about Sunak not caring about rapists. Note the response from senior Labour politicians when that came out. There was strong pushback and the theme was never repeated. Where's the similar pushback on the multiple Tory moves to emphasise Culture War issues?
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1) I used Corbyn's example because a) it was an utterly stupid thing to say which, if acted on could only weaken Britain and b) it gave an insight into motives.
In that sense, it has a good correlation with what Sunak said. Sunak's words are stupidly dangerous in that they exaggerate a tense but manageable situation and can if acted on cause more problems for Britain, and b) they give an insight into motives - in this case they fit a pattern of the Tories actively wanting to stir up inter-community anymosity. See for example what Braverman and other have been saying about "no-go areas" (which don't exist) or the Rwanda farrago, or the continued hammering on about "Woke". It's very much in the Tories' electoral interest to have their supporters scared of societal changes, and to stir up that fear.
2) You believe Starmer could and would say similar things. He's been in position for 4 years. Surely you could find some examples, rather than guessing what he might do? Or, alternatively, how long does he have to NOT say similar things before you change your mind.
3) Shouldn't need saying but it does. IF Starmer said similar things, I would condemn it unreservedly, as I did when Labour published that disgusting poster about Sunak not caring about rapists. Note the response from senior Labour politicians when that came out. There was strong pushback and the theme was never repeated. Where's the similar pushback on the multiple Tory moves to emphasise Culture War issues?
You’re missing my point.
I don’t think Starmer would say something stupidly dangerous.
I don’t think what Sunak said was stupidly dangerous.
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1) I used Corbyn's example because a) it was an utterly stupid thing to say which, if acted on could only weaken Britain and b) it gave an insight into motives.
In that sense, it has a good correlation with what Sunak said. Sunak's words are stupidly dangerous in that they exaggerate a tense but manageable situation and can if acted on cause more problems for Britain, and b) they give an insight into motives - in this case they fit a pattern of the Tories actively wanting to stir up inter-community anymosity. See for example what Braverman and other have been saying about "no-go areas" (which don't exist) or the Rwanda farrago, or the continued hammering on about "Woke". It's very much in the Tories' electoral interest to have their supporters scared of societal changes, and to stir up that fear.
2) You believe Starmer could and would say similar things. He's been in position for 4 years. Surely you could find some examples, rather than guessing what he might do? Or, alternatively, how long does he have to NOT say similar things before you change your mind.
3) Shouldn't need saying but it does. IF Starmer said similar things, I would condemn it unreservedly, as I did when Labour published that disgusting poster about Sunak not caring about rapists. Note the response from senior Labour politicians when that came out. There was strong pushback and the theme was never repeated. Where's the similar pushback on the multiple Tory moves to emphasise Culture War issues?
You’re missing my point.
I don’t think Starmer would say something stupidly dangerous.
I don’t think what Sunak said was stupidly dangerous.
Do you not think that 'words matter' as many MP's, including Sunak, have said recently?
Do you not think that verbal attacks on a community as Sunak did have any connection to physical attacks on that community?
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1) I used Corbyn's example because a) it was an utterly stupid thing to say which, if acted on could only weaken Britain and b) it gave an insight into motives.
In that sense, it has a good correlation with what Sunak said. Sunak's words are stupidly dangerous in that they exaggerate a tense but manageable situation and can if acted on cause more problems for Britain, and b) they give an insight into motives - in this case they fit a pattern of the Tories actively wanting to stir up inter-community anymosity. See for example what Braverman and other have been saying about "no-go areas" (which don't exist) or the Rwanda farrago, or the continued hammering on about "Woke". It's very much in the Tories' electoral interest to have their supporters scared of societal changes, and to stir up that fear.
2) You believe Starmer could and would say similar things. He's been in position for 4 years. Surely you could find some examples, rather than guessing what he might do? Or, alternatively, how long does he have to NOT say similar things before you change your mind.
3) Shouldn't need saying but it does. IF Starmer said similar things, I would condemn it unreservedly, as I did when Labour published that disgusting poster about Sunak not caring about rapists. Note the response from senior Labour politicians when that came out. There was strong pushback and the theme was never repeated. Where's the similar pushback on the multiple Tory moves to emphasise Culture War issues?
You’re missing my point.
I don’t think Starmer would say something stupidly dangerous.
I don’t think what Sunak said was stupidly dangerous.
Do you not think that 'words matter' as many MP's, including Sunak, have said recently?
Do you not think that verbal attacks on a community as Sunak did have any connection to physical attacks on that community?
Of course I think words matter. Me thinking words matter often gets me into bother on here.
Do I think that what Sunak said is the reason, or part of the reason why people are are attacking each other?
Absolutely not.
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Tyke.
Go on. What were these epoch changing events last week?
Was the Cabinet taken hostage and assassinated?
Was there a coup d'etat that I slept through?
Did terrorists kill 1,000 people in a shopping centre?
What is it that's got you and your mates so wound up?
Christ you've introduced more straw in to that post as there is in Willie Mullins stable .
I'm not wound up I'm concerned as any normal person should be .
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From bbc news
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the prime minister was right to "advocate unity and to condemn the unacceptable and intimidatory behaviour that we have seen recently".
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From bbc news
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the prime minister was right to "advocate unity and to condemn the unacceptable and intimidatory behaviour that we have seen recently".
In other words, 'Sunak should have kept his stupid gob shut.'
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Tyke.
Go on. What were these epoch changing events last week?
Was the Cabinet taken hostage and assassinated?
Was there a coup d'etat that I slept through?
Did terrorists kill 1,000 people in a shopping centre?
What is it that's got you and your mates so wound up?
Nothing that meaningful obviously. But there had to have been threats last week. Unless you think your man Starmer lied? And that Hoyle had a meeting with the police over nothing or even made it up?
Hoyle and Sunak mentioned the far-right too, it would seem there has also been threats from those quarters.
You’ve brought it up yourself before Billy. Mike Freer MP of Golders Green (big Jewish community) stepped down because of threats of violence from the group Muslims Against Crusades. They reportedly called him a “Jewish Homosexual pig”. Said group were thought to have links to Amass’ killer.
Imagine being a Jewish MP inside Westminster while that slogan was beamed on to Big Ben.
Maybe Sunak is being hyperbolic or trying to use it to his advantage but that doesn’t mean that having concerns about the ability of democracy to be upheld in this country makes someone a culture war warrior.
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From bbc news
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the prime minister was right to "advocate unity and to condemn the unacceptable and intimidatory behaviour that we have seen recently".
In other words, 'Sunak should have kept his stupid gob shut.'
Eh?
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Very good Belton.
Being serious again for a moment, I don't doubt that some MPs are being harassed and perhaps even intimidated by protesters. That shouldn't happen and action should be taken in those instances.
The issue is, extrapolating from that to claim, as the PM did yesterday, that our democratic system is under assault from mob rule. Which is quite a claim from a PM of UK.
But maybe you don't have anything to add to that issue?
Well when we've seen two MP's brutally murdered by extremists in the last 10 years and MPs are now running a gauntlet of hate should they find themselves around Parliament Square perhaps some of these claims have meat on the bones .
Although it's nowt as bad as Barnsley town centre this afternoon , frightening scenes .
https://youtu.be/WCDJgWwzftU?si=LI2qGhIA2xWlpdEC
Then get on with the job of ensuring security for politicians. I agree 100% that needs doing and I don't need lecturing on that topic, unlike some in here who think that is part of their job.
What I don't accept is the ridiculous extrapolation from that specific issue to a claim that our entire system is under threat from mob rule. It's a huge exaggeration by a PM who is stoking Culture War flames at every single opportunity.
It's all about the authoritarian approach to how they want the public and to give us no rights i.e. anti-strike bill, public order bill.
The SEZ's are the next step which have probably gone under the radar. It's covered extensively on twitter and is even endorsed by Labour.
A slow trickle back to colonialism. ALL councils and public services will be privatized why do you think they are running all of the mentioned into the ground? Including the NHS etc.
https://twitter.com/EuropeanPowell
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The new Jess Phillips/Ruth Davidson podcast is interesting listening. Not two of my natural political allies, to say the least, but Phillips calls out the pearl clutching over this "mob rule" narrative. She correctly, in my view, argues that this "mob rule" narrative wasn't there when people were kicking off over Brexit, because most of the people who were angry then didn't have brown skin. Now the protestors are more diverse, suddenly we're worried about "the enemy within".
Back then, an MP was literally killed by a far right terrorist, and you still had Farage, Darren Grimes, et al talking about armed uprisings if the vote didn't go the way they wanted.
Maybe Sunak could start by looking at Braverman, who actually incited a violent protest at the Cenotaph, just as an example. The idea that George Galloway, who I wouldn't piss on if he was on fire in my toilet bowl, getting elected in a freak byelection warrants this kind of response, when you have a Tory party packed to the rafters with lunatics like Truss, Nick Fletcher, (until recently) Anderson, Braverman, and so on makes it clear what this is really about.
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Is this it MM?
''Electoral Dysfunction: 'People in this country feel nothing works': Is it time to go to the polls''
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_QlkTrkbU
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Is this it MM?
''Electoral Dysfunction: 'People in this country feel nothing works': Is it time to go to the polls''
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_QlkTrkbU
The middle class is on the decline, people don't think it can happen but they've done the same to the poorest and they'll work their way up.
Time for change and a protest vote against the establishment.
And the economy will never gain any momentum back and we'll all be poorer for it.
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91, the thing is, the best way to look at the previous 14 years of tory rule is to compare it to the country’s waterways, as everything the tories have achieved is represented in there, swirling around.
Oh look! that one has brexit written on it, those two stuck together represent growth, that big one over there slowly sinking is the NHS …………...
The best part is anyone can jump in and test the theory for themselves.
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Theresa May on announcing her retirement is said to be moving to the Caribbean.
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To study modern slavery
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I can’t imagine why anyone who cares what happens in the UK would move so far away.
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Hebburn, according to some of its residents, has become a no go area after dark.
Article on the news this morning:
“Feral gangs of masked teenagers are terrorising communities in areas of the north-east of England.
The BBC has been told low level, anti-social behaviour (ASB) has escalated into serious and violent crime with one town described as “lawless".
New figures revealed that 40,800 reports went unattended by police in the region last year – an average of 111 calls every day.
Northumbria Police and Crime Commissioner Kim McGuinness said the response was "not good enough".
Yogendran Mutthulingham, who runs a shop in Jarrow, said: “They come with masks, which makes it scary."
He said he had been the victim of shoplifting, criminal damage and racist abuse.
“They came with a knuckle ring and a knife, they steal anything they want.
"They swear at me with the P word. They broke my house door with a kick."
Mr Mutthulingham, who lives in the flat above the shop with his family, said he felt helpless.
“My wife was crying. She almost fainted. My sister was crying," he said.
“Every night afterwards, we couldn’t sleep. Mentally we are upset all the time because of these incidents.”
After hearing what happened, the local community raised more than £1,000 to help him with repair costs, Mr Mutthulingham said.
In Hebburn, one resident said the town had become “lawless” at night.
Another, who has lived there for 60 years and did not want to be named, said it used to be a “lovely, safe town” but now the community was at “breaking point".
Criminal damage, arson, shoplifting and shop staff being threatened are a regular part of life, she claimed.
“I’ve never seen such a decline in morals and disgusting, feral behaviour“
Shop owners said they warned each other on walkie talkies if large groups were congregating.
Some said they pulled the shutters down and pretended to be closed until the groups were gone.
“They feel really intimidated,” said Lesley Little, who has owned Halo hairdressers in the town for 20 years.
“It might be a laugh and fun to them but it’s not to us as business owners," she added.
“We’re trying to earn a living but it’s hard."
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Nothing to do with Muslim hoards as the government are trying to claim?
Where are the police when you need them?
This hasn't just happened, all this shows is stretched resources of local authorities, police and government unwilling to tackle the problem.
Then you have forum members sneering that labour won't be able to fix 14+ years of wanton neglect overnight.
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Very good Belton.
Being serious again for a moment, I don't doubt that some MPs are being harassed and perhaps even intimidated by protesters. That shouldn't happen and action should be taken in those instances.
The issue is, extrapolating from that to claim, as the PM did yesterday, that our democratic system is under assault from mob rule. Which is quite a claim from a PM of UK.
But maybe you don't have anything to add to that issue?
Well when we've seen two MP's brutally murdered by extremists in the last 10 years and MPs are now running a gauntlet of hate should they find themselves around Parliament Square perhaps some of these claims have meat on the bones .
Although it's nowt as bad as Barnsley town centre this afternoon , frightening scenes .
https://youtu.be/WCDJgWwzftU?si=LI2qGhIA2xWlpdEC
Then get on with the job of ensuring security for politicians. I agree 100% that needs doing and I don't need lecturing on that topic, unlike some in here who think that is part of their job.
What I don't accept is the ridiculous extrapolation from that specific issue to a claim that our entire system is under threat from mob rule. It's a huge exaggeration by a PM who is stoking Culture War flames at every single opportunity.
"Get on with ensuring security..."
So don't condone it, don't say it must stop, don't point out when it happens, dont go after the root cause (the violent far left) Just throw more police at it :thumbsup:
The BNP are currently outside a Rochdale MPs house. Placards with "holy war agaisnt sex pests" on them. They're also smashing up the shops of anyone who looks Muslim and sells Pepsi. Someone who works at the passport office has marked a Muslim person's passport application. You wouldn't call this out and call them a racist mob would you? You'd say put more security on it. Freedom of expression
Nope what you'd do is rightly point out that they're a racist mob trying to divide the country into camps, us vs them, you must be on our side or against us etc. Now be a good boy and replace the British flag with a Palestine flag and etc
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Syd said “Nothing to do with Muslim hoards as the government are trying to claim?”
Sprotyrover says:
Clearly we can’t cope with home grown Anti Social Criminals so why import more potential Criminal types!
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Nothing to do with Muslim hoards as the government are trying to claim?
Where are the police when you need them?
This hasn't just happened, all this shows is stretched resources of local authorities, police and government unwilling to tackle the problem.
Then you have forum members sneering that labour won't be able to fix 14+ years of wanton neglect overnight.
It’s interesting to see comments from somebody who abandoned the UK over a decade ago,what’s up Syd darent you goin an Ozzie Chat group? Soon would get found out wouldn’t you?
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Nothing to do with Muslim hoards as the government are trying to claim?
Where are the police when you need them?
This hasn't just happened, all this shows is stretched resources of local authorities, police and government unwilling to tackle the problem.
Then you have forum members sneering that labour won't be able to fix 14+ years of wanton neglect overnight.
It’s interesting to see comments from somebody who abandoned the UK over a decade ago,what’s up Syd darent you goin an Ozzie Chat group? Soon would get found out wouldn’t you?
Instead of wasting your time making shit up you should be getting your kit ready for tonight, aye?
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Nothing to do with Muslim hoards as the government are trying to claim?
Where are the police when you need them?
This hasn't just happened, all this shows is stretched resources of local authorities, police and government unwilling to tackle the problem.
Then you have forum members sneering that labour won't be able to fix 14+ years of wanton neglect overnight.
It’s interesting to see comments from somebody who abandoned the UK over a decade ago,what’s up Syd darent you goin an Ozzie Chat group? Soon would get found out wouldn’t you?
Instead of wasting your time making shit up you should be getting your kit ready for tonight, aye?
That’s the second occasion in a week, you have made offensive remarks towards me, are you alleging I’m I am some sort of pervert?
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You can make up your own labels sprot, I'm only going on what you posted about your nigh time habits
If anyone wants to look it will be under 'dogging'
not sure what it means though
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You can make up your own labels sprot, I'm only going on what you posted about your nigh time habits
If anyone wants to look it will be under 'dogging'
not sure what it means though
That’s a very offensive remark!
You better evidence that, I am not happy
With your disgusting accusations!
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I can’t imagine why anyone who cares what happens in the UK would move so far away.
First rule of crim club is never revisit the scene of the crime.
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You can make up your own labels sprot, I'm only going on what you posted about your nigh time habits
If anyone wants to look it will be under 'dogging'
not sure what it means though
That’s a very offensive remark!
You better evidence that, I am not happy
With your disgusting accusations!
Here's where it's mentioned sprot, although you can explain what dogging means, how close you had to get to see the detail and why you were there I guess.
Sproty:
''a couple of miles further onto the Escarpment!
It would be sleepy if it weren’t for the Eastern European bodger builder Fly Tippers, the late middle aged men ‘Dogging’ ! The shirt fronts roaring up and down the fields and lanes on Off Road Bikes and Quads, the Deer poachers, hare coursers Lamping all night, idiots trying to break the Land speed record on the straight mile, the Drug dealers and their adolescent Vauxhall Corsa Driving (badly) clients, shirt fronts having a drive out to an area of outstanding national beauty and trying to bring down to their level by chucking the remains of Macdonalds and KFC’s and tins of cheep Lager and Cider wherever it pleases them! Apart from that relatively sleepy''
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You can make up your own labels sprot, I'm only going on what you posted about your nigh time habits
If anyone wants to look it will be under 'dogging'
not sure what it means though
That’s a very offensive remark!
You better evidence that, I am not happy
With your disgusting accusations!
Here's where it's mentioned sprot, although you can explain what dogging means, how close you had to get to see the detail and why you were there I guess.
Sproty:
''a couple of miles further onto the Escarpment!
It would be sleepy if it weren’t for the Eastern European bodger builder Fly Tippers, the late middle aged men ‘Dogging’ ! The shirt fronts roaring up and down the fields and lanes on Off Road Bikes and Quads, the Deer poachers, hare coursers Lamping all night, idiots trying to break the Land speed record on the straight mile, the Drug dealers and their adolescent Vauxhall Corsa Driving (badly) clients, shirt fronts having a drive out to an area of outstanding national beauty and trying to bring down to their level by chucking the remains of Macdonalds and KFC’s and tins of cheep Lager and Cider wherever it pleases them! Apart from that relatively sleepy''
Syd, if you read that again you will see that sproty doesn’t say he had been dogging, but others had seen people doing it.
It seems that it is you who is making things up, yet again.
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Actually it was a local farmers wife who witnessed middle aged men engaging in sexual activity and it was reported to the Police, who have taken proactive action lasr week 5 late middle aged men were caught by the Police local Safer neighbourhood team and dealt with.
As for Syds remarks he is a complete Troll and really
does need to be excluded from this Forum!
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Actually it was a local farmers wife who witnessed middle aged men engaging in sexual activity and it was reported to the Police, who have taken proactive action lasr week 5 late middle aged men were caught by the Police local Safer neighbourhood team and dealt with.
As for Syds remarks he is a complete Troll and really
does need to be excluded from this Forum!
but you didn't say any of this aye? did you tell the police how you were out at night with your bit stick 'helping' them?
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Actually it was a local farmers wife who witnessed middle aged men engaging in sexual activity and it was reported to the Police, who have taken proactive action lasr week 5 late middle aged men were caught by the Police local Safer neighbourhood team and dealt with.
As for Syds remarks he is a complete Troll and really
does need to be excluded from this Forum!
but you didn't say any of this aye? did you tell the police how you were out at night with your bit stick 'helping' them?
I have told you once before I do not go out walking in the night it’s bad enough in daylight,now Troll off!
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Actually it was a local farmers wife who witnessed middle aged men engaging in sexual activity and it was reported to the Police, who have taken proactive action lasr week 5 late middle aged men were caught by the Police local Safer neighbourhood team and dealt with.
As for Syds remarks he is a complete Troll and really
does need to be excluded from this Forum!
but you didn't say any of this aye? did you tell the police how you were out at night with your bit stick 'helping' them?
I have told you once before I do not go out walking in the night it’s bad enough in daylight,now Troll off!
what about the big stick did you tell them about that? armed with an offensive weapon, no?
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Actually it was a local farmers wife who witnessed middle aged men engaging in sexual activity and it was reported to the Police, who have taken proactive action lasr week 5 late middle aged men were caught by the Police local Safer neighbourhood team and dealt with.
As for Syds remarks he is a complete Troll and really
does need to be excluded from this Forum!
but you didn't say any of this aye? did you tell the police how you were out at night with your bit stick 'helping' them?
I have told you once before I do not go out walking in the night it’s bad enough in daylight,now Troll off!
what about the big stick did you tell them about that? armed with an offensive weapon, no?
Syd, did sproty actually mention carrying a big stick?
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It’s no offence to walk around with a big walking stick, it helps when I walk on wet muddy pathways and inclines, the only time it would be considered an offensive weapon would be if I used it to attack somebody, I think you will struggle to find any such admission from myself on here,I unlike you am not a ‘numb nut’ now Troll off Skippy!
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It’s no offence to walk around with a big walking stick, it helps when I walk on wet muddy pathways and inclines, the only time it would be considered an offensive weapon would be if I used it to attack somebody, I think you will struggle to find any such admission from myself on here,I unlike you am not a ‘numb nut’ now Troll off Skippy!
''Oh and the other week whilst walking my very large dog I came across a shitty transit van Back doors open with 2 Roma Slovak tosspots about to hurl a scrapped bathroom into a nature reserve, I shouted at them desperately pleading with them to stop despoiling the beautiful British countryside and by signalling to them with my 6 foot long walking staff, they clearly realised it was not a suitable place to dump their old Bathroom suite and rapidly departed, I ran after them begging and pleading with them to stop and let me beg them to err in their ways but they merely accelerated as though they were trying to escape from the Devil himself !
« Last Edit: February 07, 2024, 10:50:00 pm by Sprotyrover »''
I think the max sentence for an offensive weapon is around 4 years sprot
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It’s no offence to walk around with a big walking stick, it helps when I walk on wet muddy pathways and inclines, the only time it would be considered an offensive weapon would be if I used it to attack somebody, I think you will struggle to find any such admission from myself on here,I unlike you am not a ‘numb nut’ now Troll off Skippy!
''Oh and the other week whilst walking my very large dog I came across a shitty transit van Back doors open with 2 Roma Slovak tosspots about to hurl a scrapped bathroom into a nature reserve, I shouted at them desperately pleading with them to stop despoiling the beautiful British countryside and by signalling to them with my 6 foot long walking staff, they clearly realised it was not a suitable place to dump their old Bathroom suite and rapidly departed, I ran after them begging and pleading with them to stop and let me beg them to err in their ways but they merely accelerated as though they were trying to escape from the Devil himself !
« Last Edit: February 07, 2024, 10:50:00 pm by Sprotyrover »''
I think the max sentence for an offensive weapon is around 4 years sprot
I was in Beverley a few weeks ago and was looking for a post office.
An old man with a walking stick was coming towards me so I asked him if he knew where the post office was and he stopped, thought for a while then pointed, with his stick, down the road and gave me the directions.
Not much difference really to sproty signalling to the fly tippers and I certainly didn’t feel threatened by the old fellow signalling with his stick.
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It’s no offence to walk around with a big walking stick, it helps when I walk on wet muddy pathways and inclines, the only time it would be considered an offensive weapon would be if I used it to attack somebody, I think you will struggle to find any such admission from myself on here,I unlike you am not a ‘numb nut’ now Troll off Skippy!
''Oh and the other week whilst walking my very large dog I came across a shitty transit van Back doors open with 2 Roma Slovak tosspots about to hurl a scrapped bathroom into a nature reserve, I shouted at them desperately pleading with them to stop despoiling the beautiful British countryside and by signalling to them with my 6 foot long walking staff, they clearly realised it was not a suitable place to dump their old Bathroom suite and rapidly departed, I ran after them begging and pleading with them to stop and let me beg them to err in their ways but they merely accelerated as though they were trying to escape from the Devil himself !
« Last Edit: February 07, 2024, 10:50:00 pm by Sprotyrover »''
I think the max sentence for an offensive weapon is around 4 years sprot
I was in Beverley a few weeks ago and was looking for a post office.
An old man with a walking stick was coming towards me so I asked him if he knew where the post office was and he stopped, thought for a while then pointed, with his stick, down the road and gave me the directions.
Not much difference really to sproty signalling to the fly tippers and I certainly didn’t feel threatened by the old fellow signalling with his stick.
What ever Syd is taking for his personality disorder is clearly making him hallucinate, You need a ‘check up from the Neck up’ Syd!
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It’s no offence to walk around with a big walking stick, it helps when I walk on wet muddy pathways and inclines, the only time it would be considered an offensive weapon would be if I used it to attack somebody, I think you will struggle to find any such admission from myself on here,I unlike you am not a ‘numb nut’ now Troll off Skippy!
''Oh and the other week whilst walking my very large dog I came across a shitty transit van Back doors open with 2 Roma Slovak tosspots about to hurl a scrapped bathroom into a nature reserve, I shouted at them desperately pleading with them to stop despoiling the beautiful British countryside and by signalling to them with my 6 foot long walking staff, they clearly realised it was not a suitable place to dump their old Bathroom suite and rapidly departed, I ran after them begging and pleading with them to stop and let me beg them to err in their ways but they merely accelerated as though they were trying to escape from the Devil himself !
« Last Edit: February 07, 2024, 10:50:00 pm by Sprotyrover »''
I think the max sentence for an offensive weapon is around 4 years sprot
I was in Beverley a few weeks ago and was looking for a post office.
An old man with a walking stick was coming towards me so I asked him if he knew where the post office was and he stopped, thought for a while then pointed, with his stick, down the road and gave me the directions.
Not much difference really to sproty signalling to the fly tippers and I certainly didn’t feel threatened by the old fellow signalling with his stick.
What ever Syd is taking for his personality disorder is clearly making him hallucinate, You need a ‘check up from the Neck up’ Syd!
Hmmm, interesting, coincidentally there are parrots in a neighbour’s tree, all they do is make a lot of noise and shit everywhere.
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It’s no offence to walk around with a big walking stick, it helps when I walk on wet muddy pathways and inclines, the only time it would be considered an offensive weapon would be if I used it to attack somebody, I think you will struggle to find any such admission from myself on here,I unlike you am not a ‘numb nut’ now Troll off Skippy!
''Oh and the other week whilst walking my very large dog I came across a shitty transit van Back doors open with 2 Roma Slovak tosspots about to hurl a scrapped bathroom into a nature reserve, I shouted at them desperately pleading with them to stop despoiling the beautiful British countryside and by signalling to them with my 6 foot long walking staff, they clearly realised it was not a suitable place to dump their old Bathroom suite and rapidly departed, I ran after them begging and pleading with them to stop and let me beg them to err in their ways but they merely accelerated as though they were trying to escape from the Devil himself !
« Last Edit: February 07, 2024, 10:50:00 pm by Sprotyrover »''
I think the max sentence for an offensive weapon is around 4 years sprot
I was in Beverley a few weeks ago and was looking for a post office.
An old man with a walking stick was coming towards me so I asked him if he knew where the post office was and he stopped, thought for a while then pointed, with his stick, down the road and gave me the directions.
Not much difference really to sproty signalling to the fly tippers and I certainly didn’t feel threatened by the old fellow signalling with his stick.
What ever Syd is taking for his personality disorder is clearly making him hallucinate, You need a ‘check up from the Neck up’ Syd!
Hmmm, interesting, coincidentally there are parrots in a neighbour’s tree, all they do is make a lot of noise and shit everywhere.
Have you tried shaking a stick at them Syd?
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It’s no offence to walk around with a big walking stick, it helps when I walk on wet muddy pathways and inclines, the only time it would be considered an offensive weapon would be if I used it to attack somebody, I think you will struggle to find any such admission from myself on here,I unlike you am not a ‘numb nut’ now Troll off Skippy!
''Oh and the other week whilst walking my very large dog I came across a shitty transit van Back doors open with 2 Roma Slovak tosspots about to hurl a scrapped bathroom into a nature reserve, I shouted at them desperately pleading with them to stop despoiling the beautiful British countryside and by signalling to them with my 6 foot long walking staff, they clearly realised it was not a suitable place to dump their old Bathroom suite and rapidly departed, I ran after them begging and pleading with them to stop and let me beg them to err in their ways but they merely accelerated as though they were trying to escape from the Devil himself !
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I think the max sentence for an offensive weapon is around 4 years sprot
I was in Beverley a few weeks ago and was looking for a post office.
An old man with a walking stick was coming towards me so I asked him if he knew where the post office was and he stopped, thought for a while then pointed, with his stick, down the road and gave me the directions.
Not much difference really to sproty signalling to the fly tippers and I certainly didn’t feel threatened by the old fellow signalling with his stick.
What ever Syd is taking for his personality disorder is clearly making him hallucinate, You need a ‘check up from the Neck up’ Syd!
Hmmm, interesting, coincidentally there are parrots in a neighbour’s tree, all they do is make a lot of noise and shit everywhere.
Have you tried shaking a stick at them Syd?
All the good ones are already taken apparently
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''Biggest Tory donor said looking at Diane Abbott makes you ‘want to hate all black women’
Exclusive: Remarks by Frank Hester, who has given £10m to the party in the past year, raise questions over his workplace behaviour''
''The Conservative party’s biggest donor told colleagues that looking at Diane Abbott makes you “want to hate all black women” and said the MP “should be shot”, the Guardian can reveal.
Frank Hester, who has given £10m to the Tories in the past year, said in the meeting that he did not hate all black women. But he said that seeing Abbott, who is Britain’s longest-serving black MP, on TV meant “you just want to hate all black women because she’s there”.
He also called all his “foreign” workers together to defend himself against online claims that he had made racist remarks. During this meeting, he said he abhorred racism and told his team their progress would not be “based on the colour of your skin, your ethnicity, where your parents are from”.
However, he also said “we take the piss out of the fact that all our Chinese girls sit together in Asian corner”''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/11/biggest-tory-donor-looking-diane-abbott-hate-all-black-women
hmmm
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Im trying to imagine the media response if a senior figure in the Labour movement said looking at a Jewish Tory MP made him want to hate all Jewish women, and that he thought she should be shot.
Big decision for Sunak. Does he take a stand on this and return the £10m Hester has given to the Tory party? Or does he feel fine at the party being financed by a Kitson like this?
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The Tory minister wheeled out today to unshit this bed said that Hester's comments weren't race-based or gender-based.
Let's get this right.
He said Abbott made him want to hate all....wait for it...BLACK....slowly does it...WOMEN.
So he looks at Abbott, and his immediate assessment of her is that she's a black woman and he hates her.
But it wasn't a race or gender-based comment.
They've given up haven't they? Given up on any relationship with the truth.
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On hearing Frank Hestor 30p Lee said 'That's more like it' and has rejoined the Tory Party
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The Tory minister wheeled out today to unshit this bed said that Hester's comments weren't race-based or gender-based.
Let's get this right.
He said Abbott made him want to hate all....wait for it...BLACK....slowly does it...WOMEN.
So he looks at Abbott, and his immediate assessment of her is that she's a black woman and he hates her.
But it wasn't a race or gender-based comment.
They've given up haven't they? Given up on any relationship with the truth.
I don’t think it was looking at her that made him instantly think that, was it?
What he said was deplorable and without doubt, racist, but not because of the reason you gave.
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The actual words he's reported to have used were:
"you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you're just like… you just want to hate all black women because she's there."
"You see Diane Abbott on the television".
And that leads to a reaction against all black women. He is clearly and unequivocally judging her, when he sees her on TV, as primarily black and a woman. That's the point.
Now, I can well accept that he might not agree with her political positions. I disagree with several of them myself. But why would you then group all black women into a category of "People I want to hate"?
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The actual words he's reported to have used were:
"you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you're just like… you just want to hate all black women because she's there."
"You see Diane Abbott on the television".
And that leads to a reaction against all black women. He is clearly and unequivocally judging her, when he sees her on TV, as primarily black and a woman. That's the point.
Now, I can well accept that he might not agree with her political positions. I disagree with several of them myself. But why would you then group all black women into a category of "People I want to hate"?
Because he’s racist - there’s no argument from me with that.
It’s not racist for him to hate Diane Abbot. I doubt any of the reasons include the colour of her skin. It is racist to hate other black people simply because he hates her.
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Belton. We are entirely on the same page here. I also don't think he hates her because she is black. The racist issue is that, having decided he hates her, the most prominent things he sees about her are her colour and her gender.
But hey! Here's the ex Tory Treasurer saying Hester has done business with black and brown people so he can't be racist.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/conservative-peer-party-donor-racism-claims-jamaica_uk_65f04eebe4b032e17a838b00/
What f**king planet do they live on?
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Well good on Sunak. It's only taken him 24 hours to figure out that these comments were actually racist.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68548389
Now. About that £10m?
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He sounds like a right funny guy does Hester ........... excepts from his 'routine'
''The Conservative party’s biggest donor asked if there was “no room for the Indians” and suggested staff climb on a train roof during a crowded meeting, before saying he made “a lot of jokes about racism”''
''He added: “I do think that in a loving company, we should be able to make jokes about each other in a loving way, and tease each other, and enjoy each other’s company. And I think we all know the difference between a racial slur and perhaps ‘Asian corner’, which is still going on here today.”''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/12/tory-donor-frank-hester-no-room-for-the-indians
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He's David Brent made real int he?
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I don't mind Diane Abbot but despite her qualifications I think she's as thick as mince.
That can be said of other politicians without much controversy but when it comes to a black female. Difficult.
Having said that I don't doubt Hester is a racist t**t
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I always thought that Diane Abbot came across as a condescending tw**. Irrespective of sex or anything else.
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I don't particularly like many of Abbott's political stances. I think she and Corbyn come from a political background on the moderate-far left that spent years convincing themselves they were right about everything and it was other people's fault if they didn't get it. Certainly her style of speaking grates, even when I do agree with her.
But.
I've never in all my life had to deal with the vitriol, condescension and abuse that she gets every day.
She makes mistakes. All politicians do. But there's something particularly unpleasant about the way that she specifically gets derided when she does. There's plenty of examples of it in this very forum, and I've never understood why some people get so much pleasure in deriding her, when they don't bat an eyelid at equally awful errors by other politicians.
As regards Hester, consider this. Liz Truss is equally well educated as Abbott, and even more prone to saying stupid things. Would Hester even briefly think of saying that seeing Truss on TV make him want to hate all white women?
The fact that he drew a line from his dislike of Abbott to a d**khead comment about ALL black women says everything about him and his thought processes.
It's very depressing that this sort of thinking is still around in this country in the middle of the 21st century. I guess we've still got a long way to go. Maybe holding this t**t up to public disgrace is a little step on the way.
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And yes even though what he said was racist and wrong they will still take his money in the future.
That was this morning, let's see what they flip flop to by PMQs
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I'm really struggling with two things.
1. What bloody difference the donations make to our day to day lives and why it's a big news story.
2. Why it's so difficult for the Tories to say what he said is wrong and racist regardless of who it's about.
I don't like much of what she has to say as a politician but saying what he said about her is totally unrelated to that.
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Dogs and fleas I guess pud.
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I think the pertinent question is "why is it a big news story now?"
This will have been in the back pocket for some time but as we're gearing up for a GE, the time is right to publish.
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I'm really struggling with two things.
1. What bloody difference the donations make to our day to day lives and why it's a big news story.
2. Why it's so difficult for the Tories to say what he said is wrong and racist regardless of who it's about.
I don't like much of what she has to say as a politician but saying what he said about her is totally unrelated to that.
Donations
1) This is a huge amount of money which will finance a very big part of the Tory election campaign.
2) It's inconceivable that someone makes the biggest UK political donation ever and doesn't want something back.
The point being that the Tories, if they do keep that money, are allying themselves with this toerag. Do you really think it isn't a big news story if the party of Government is being funded by someone with these views?
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Guardian Live: ''Minister says Tories would be willing to accept more cash from Hester as ‘we don’t think he’s a racist’''
''Kevin Hollinrake says party would take further donations despite row over remarks about Diane Abbott''
I wonder if he would be a racist if he wasn't such a big donor ...............
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Absolute car crash.
Either that or they are making a conscious decision to appeal to the small percentage of voters who still have 1970s The Comedians views like Hester.
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It's becoming a multiple pile-up, of their own making
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Its important to the Labour Party who will shout racism in the Tory Party from the highest hill.
Its nothing really, no worse and racial than me not liking some ignorant refuges that left Britain to go to Australia, and I like Australians and feel sorry for them.
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Its important to the Labour Party who will shout racism in the Tory Party from the highest hill.
Its nothing really, no worse and racial than me not liking some ignorant refuges that left Britain to go to Australia, and I like Australians and feel sorry for them.
Admit it selby you're just a sad old git
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I don't particularly like many of Abbott's political stances. I think she and Corbyn come from a political background on the moderate-far left that spent years convincing themselves they were right about everything
Ha, anybody daft enough to cock her leg over the passenger seat of a CZ 250 motor cycle and travel to East Germany on a Camping holiday with Jeremy Corbyn must be seriously unhinged! I wonder if the German secret service have got the Video and audio recordings from STASI files?
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Here they come again.
Not a word of condemnation for Hester's comments.
Straight back to obsessive interest about Abbott's sex life.
Weird.
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Astonishing that The Speaker didn't call Abbott to speak at PMQs.
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Astonishing that The Speaker didn't call Abbott to speak at PMQs.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind
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Astonishing that The Speaker didn't call Abbott to speak at PMQs.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind
Exactly. Why should the country want to hear what the person who a major Tory donor called for 'to be shot' thinks about the Prime Minister's response to that donor calling for her 'to be shot'?
British values eh.
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I'm really struggling with two things.
1. What bloody difference the donations make to our day to day lives and why it's a big news story.
2. Why it's so difficult for the Tories to say what he said is wrong and racist regardless of who it's about.
I don't like much of what she has to say as a politician but saying what he said about her is totally unrelated to that.
You then proceed to answer your first question with your second.
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Astonishing that The Speaker didn't call Abbott to speak at PMQs.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind
Exactly. Why should the country want to hear what the person who a major Tory donor called for 'to be shot' thinks about the Prime Minister's response to that donor calling for her 'to be shot'?
British values eh.
This country should not be dictated to by hurt feelings
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I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search and found this:
Why was Abbott suspended?
Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.
#allthesame?
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Astonishing that The Speaker didn't call Abbott to speak at PMQs.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind
Exactly. Why should the country want to hear what the person who a major Tory donor called for 'to be shot' thinks about the Prime Minister's response to that donor calling for her 'to be shot'?
British values eh.
This country should not be dictated to by hurt feelings
Hurt feelings?
It really does sound like you are defending the abhorrent statement by one of the top donors to the party in government.
You've created a new thread more or less doing exactly that.
I'm so glad I don't live in your little world.
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I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search and found this:
Why was Abbott suspended?
Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.
#allthesame?
Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.
Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.
I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!
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I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search and found this:
Why was Abbott suspended?
Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.
#allthesame?
Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.
Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.
I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!
She didn't say they "had never been subjected to racism". But what she did say was stupid for a politician to say, especially one who held a senior position in the party when it was accused of anti-Semitism.
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OK, help me out here, guys, because I'm a bit uninformed about HOC protocol. I watched PMQs today, and noticed Ms Abbott in the chamber.
I thought she'd had the whip temporarily suspended? To be honest, I felt sorry for her. She looked forlorn, which is totally understandable.
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I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search and found this:
Why was Abbott suspended?
Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.
#allthesame?
Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.
Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.
I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!
She didn't say they "had never been subjected to racism". But what she did say was stupid for a politician to say, especially one who held a senior position in the party when it was accused of anti-Semitism.
Won't find me disagreeing with you on that. It was deeply stupid and wrong.
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SS. She's had the Labour whip withdrawn. She can still attend the Commons, as an Independent.
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I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search and found this:
Why was Abbott suspended?
Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.
#allthesame?
Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.
Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.
I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!
MM, I can’t disagree with much of that but I don’t recall it being debated on this forum.
Had it not been a Labour MP making those remarks then I’m sure it would have been worthy of half a dozen pages of comments.
There are lots of double standards on here.
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Not sure I agree Diane Abbott of all people gets ignored on here. Every other post seemed to be about her a few years back. I remember a pages long thread about a fake photo of her with her shoes on the wrong feet. It will have been mentioned when she got suspended, maybe not a pages long dedicated thread as you say but then again, she said something stupid and got immediately punished so there's not much left to discuss.
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I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search and found this:
Why was Abbott suspended?
Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.
#allthesame?
Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.
Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.
I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!
MM, I can’t disagree with much of that but I don’t recall it being debated on this forum.
Had it not been a Labour MP making those remarks then I’m sure it would have been worthy of half a dozen pages of comments.
There are lots of double standards on here.
Really?
You have a terrible memory as you posted on this issue.
Also worth noting you searched to post about her,maybe to deflect again?
What two things is it about Diane Abbot you don't like?
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I think that Hester is well out of order with his comment from five years ago and I agree there is no place for racism.
But I wondered why Abbott has been suspended by the Labour Party, so I had a quick Google search and found this:
Why was Abbott suspended?
Abbott had the party whip withdrawn after she suggested Jewish, Irish and Traveller people had never been “subject to racism”.
#allthesame?
Worth noting that she immediately apologised for this and withdrew it. In context it's definitely clumsy and offensive, but a million miles away from this guy talking about how he hates black women, wants to shoot Abbott, and cracking wise about Indians riding on trains.
Although it must be pointed out that Labour have treated Abbott appallingly for years, with the leaked report showing how she was repeatedly abused by people that are still in post today. And it's been reported (Channel 4 I think?) that many black MPs are afraid to speak out about the culture at Labour HQ for fear of having the whip withdrawn.
I don't agree that they're all the same. But far too many of them are!
MM, I can’t disagree with much of that but I don’t recall it being debated on this forum.
Had it not been a Labour MP making those remarks then I’m sure it would have been worthy of half a dozen pages of comments.
There are lots of double standards on here.
Really?
You have a terrible memory as you posted on this issue.
Also worth noting you searched to post about her,maybe to deflect again?
What two things is it about Diane Abbot you don't like?
Her politics and her inability to calculate numbers properly.
And of course I searched, I said so in my post, because I wondered why she had been suspended.
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Ah,obviously it's those two things
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Ah,obviously it's those two things
Yep.
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Of course it is
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Of course it is
Come on then, what are you suggesting?
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Of course it is
Come on then, what are you suggesting?
Believe me,it's not a suggestion.
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Of course it is
Come on then, what are you suggesting?
Believe me,it's not a suggestion.
But you aren’t brave enough to say what you are getting at.
Speak up or shut up.
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Of course it is
Come on then, what are you suggesting?
Believe me,it's not a suggestion.
But you aren’t brave enough to say what you are getting at.
Speak up or shut up.
If you know what I'm implying why do you need it explaining?
Grow up a little
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Of course it is
Come on then, what are you suggesting?
Believe me,it's not a suggestion.
But you aren’t brave enough to say what you are getting at.
Speak up or shut up.
If you know what I'm implying why do you need it explaining?
Grow up a little
You never explain yourself properly.
Always innuendo and deflection.
I have no idea what you are getting at.
Just spell it out or go away.
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Of course it is
Come on then, what are you suggesting?
Believe me,it's not a suggestion.
But you aren’t brave enough to say what you are getting at.
Speak up or shut up.
If you know what I'm implying why do you need it explaining?
Grow up a little
You never explain yourself properly.
Always innuendo and deflection.
I have no idea what you are getting at.
Just spell it out or go away.
Even I didn't credit you with being that simple.
You want it spelling out?
B for Brazil, I for Italy, G for Greece, O for Oslo,T for t**t.
Have I spelt it out enough for you to het your head around?
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People will often come up with reasons to dislike Diane Abbott, but her constituents have continued to vote for her in numbers. Her primary role as a Member of Parliament is to represent her constituents and it’s notable that, for all the criticism they receive, the likes of her and Jeremy Corbyn are very visible in their local communities and empathetic with it. But obviously others will find her facial expressions, mathematics and sentence construction too much to bear.
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Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!
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Of course it is
Come on then, what are you suggesting?
Believe me,it's not a suggestion.
But you aren’t brave enough to say what you are getting at.
Speak up or shut up.
If you know what I'm implying why do you need it explaining?
Grow up a little
You never explain yourself properly.
Always innuendo and deflection.
I have no idea what you are getting at.
Just spell it out or go away.
Even I didn't credit you with being that simple.
You want it spelling out?
B for Brazil, I for Italy, G for Greece, O for Oslo,T for t**t.
Have I spelt it out enough for you to het your head around?
You are very strange.
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Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!
Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?
Oh and of course she had the whip removed
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Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!
Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?
Christ, what the f**k is BB gabbling on about now?
Imagine living in a head where, whatever one side does, you screw your eyes up and ignore it while ferreting around your brain for some half remembered crap that convinces you the other side is as bad.
What would have to happen for you just to make a straight condemnation.
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Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!
Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?
Oh and of course she had the whip removed
She should have been kicked out of the party on several occasions, especially a party that preaches so much purity and righteousness.
For the record, I think Frank Hester should have his money returned to him, but I wonder if the pure, and righteous Labour party would do likewise in similar circumstances.
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Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!
Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?
Christ, what the f**k is BB gabbling on about now?
Imagine living in a head where, whatever one side does, you screw your eyes up and ignore it while ferreting around your brain for some half remembered crap that convinces you the other side is as bad.
What would have to happen for you just to make a straight condemnation.
Still a fake, coming out with fake comments, I see, BST!
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Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!
Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?
Christ, what the f**k is BB gabbling on about now?
Imagine living in a head where, whatever one side does, you screw your eyes up and ignore it while ferreting around your brain for some half remembered crap that convinces you the other side is as bad.
What would have to happen for you just to make a straight condemnation.
Still a fake, coming out with fake comments, I see, BST!
still channelling trump I see bb
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It's just weird. Why on earth would you join this discussion and NOT just unequivocally condemn Hester's words? Or, if you insist on bothsidesing it, at least give an example of where Abbott had said something equally repugnant?
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Are you talking to me?
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Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!
Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?
Oh and of course she had the whip removed
She should have been kicked out of the party on several occasions, especially a party that preaches so much purity and righteousness.
For the record, I think Frank Hester should have his money returned to him, but I wonder if the pure, and righteous Labour party would do likewise in similar circumstances.
Wonder no more
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-labour-party-return-donation-algebris-ceo-following-harassment-claim-2023-06-09/
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Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!
Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?
Christ, what the f**k is BB gabbling on about now?
Imagine living in a head where, whatever one side does, you screw your eyes up and ignore it while ferreting around your brain for some half remembered crap that convinces you the other side is as bad.
What would have to happen for you just to make a straight condemnation.
Still a fake, coming out with fake comments, I see, BST!
still channelling trump I see bb
I didn't realise you connected BST with Trump.
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Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!
Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?
Oh and of course she had the whip removed
She should have been kicked out of the party on several occasions, especially a party that preaches so much purity and righteousness.
For the record, I think Frank Hester should have his money returned to him, but I wonder if the pure, and righteous Labour party would do likewise in similar circumstances.
Wonder no more
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-labour-party-return-donation-algebris-ceo-following-harassment-claim-2023-06-09/
£100k compared to £10m!
Did they return it then?
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Not to mention her outbursts of racism, which were no less racist than Frank Hester's comments, but, of course, not as much maligned on this forum!
Did she apologise straight away? did she say she hated every other person of the same colour? did she mention wanting to shoot the person?
Christ, what the f**k is BB gabbling on about now?
Imagine living in a head where, whatever one side does, you screw your eyes up and ignore it while ferreting around your brain for some half remembered crap that convinces you the other side is as bad.
What would have to happen for you just to make a straight condemnation.
Still a fake, coming out with fake comments, I see, BST!
still channelling trump I see bb
I didn't realise you connected BST with Trump.
search how many times the word fake is used in your own posts while looking in the mirror bb
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The search bar only shows that BB used the word “fake” in one post Syd.
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The search bar only shows that BB used the word “fake” in one post Syd.
..... And I certainly don't look in the Mirror, not the shit-rag version anyway.
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The search bar only shows that BB used the word “fake” in one post Syd.
..... And I certainly don't look in the Mirror, not the shit-rag version anyway.
hound told me only the other day that search results don't always show every instance, want some seed?
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The search bar only shows that BB used the word “fake” in one post Syd.
..... And I certainly don't look in the Mirror, not the shit-rag version anyway.
I imagine you see Dorian Grey.
Or jowls and a purply gammon reflexion.
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The search bar only shows that BB used the word “fake” in one post Syd.
..... And I certainly don't look in the Mirror, not the shit-rag version anyway.
hound told me only the other day that search results don't always show every instance, want some seed?
Maybe you should have done screen shots of the times BB allegedly used the word “fake” Syd.
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The search bar only shows that BB used the word “fake” in one post Syd.
..... And I certainly don't look in the Mirror, not the shit-rag version anyway.
hound told me only the other day that search results don't always show every instance, want some seed?
Maybe you should have done screen shots of the times BB allegedly used the word “fake” Syd.
Like faux outrage?
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The search bar only shows that BB used the word “fake” in one post Syd.
..... And I certainly don't look in the Mirror, not the shit-rag version anyway.
hound told me only the other day that search results don't always show every instance, want some seed?
Maybe you should have done screen shots of the times BB allegedly used the word “fake” Syd.
Like faux outrage?
I don’t think Syd mentioned that.
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Why does this come up all the time, it's been like it for years.
''You are ignoring this user. Show me the post''
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Why does this come up all the time, it's been like it for years.
''You are ignoring this user. Show me the post''
Depends on who you are talking about.
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Sydnaye being wrong hound?
Hush your mouth!
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Syd,it looks like you've been spit roasted by a couple of obsessive posters.
Don't worry,they will counter attack with troll in their next posts.
No opinion,or counter arguements,just troll.
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''Ministers and officials to be banned from contact with groups labelled extremist''
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/14/ministers-and-officials-to-be-banned-from-contact-with-groups-labelled-extremist
No more donations from frank hester and The Phoenix Partnership, then?
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Syd, have you overlooked the other news related to this situation, or chosen not to highlight it.
Abbott has now accused the LABOUR Party of shocking levels or racism and sexism, much of it directed against her personally.
From The Express:
The former shadow home secretary said the "Tory reluctance to call out racism and sexism is shocking, but hardly surprising".
But the Hackney North and Stoke Newington MP also took aim at Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, saying his position was "disappointing".
Writing in The Independent, Ms Abbott said: "But the position of the current leadership of the Labour Party is disappointing – it seemed equally reluctant at the outset to call out either racism or sexism.
In fact, a number of Labour statements were issued, and interviews given where neither word was mentioned.
"Instead, the entire focus was on the demand that the Tories give Hester back his money, which is surely not the primary point in this case."
Ms Abbott, who currently sits as an independent after losing the Labour whip in an antisemitism row, condemned the “shocking levels of racism and sexism from within the Labour Party, again much of it directed against me personally”.
I saw several of our 4th div. usual suspects criticising the Conservative leadership about this yesterday but strangely, not one word was said against Starmer and his team.
PS. I’m sorry but I couldn’t find a Guardian report on this so I guess that’s why you didn’t highlight it Syd.
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Syd, have you overlooked the other news related to this situation, or chosen not to highlight it.
Abbott has now accused the LABOUR Party of shocking levels or racism and sexism, much of it directed against her personally.
From The Express:
The former shadow home secretary said the "Tory reluctance to call out racism and sexism is shocking, but hardly surprising".
But the Hackney North and Stoke Newington MP also took aim at Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, saying his position was "disappointing".
Writing in The Independent, Ms Abbott said: "But the position of the current leadership of the Labour Party is disappointing – it seemed equally reluctant at the outset to call out either racism or sexism.
In fact, a number of Labour statements were issued, and interviews given where neither word was mentioned.
"Instead, the entire focus was on the demand that the Tories give Hester back his money, which is surely not the primary point in this case."
Ms Abbott, who currently sits as an independent after losing the Labour whip in an antisemitism row, condemned the “shocking levels of racism and sexism from within the Labour Party, again much of it directed against me personally”.
I saw several of our 4th div. usual suspects criticising the Conservative leadership about this yesterday but strangely, not one word was said against Starmer and his team.
PS. I’m sorry but I couldn’t find a Guardian report on this so I guess that’s why you didn’t highlight it Syd.
She's got form herself Hound .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65365978
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Syd, have you overlooked the other news related to this situation, or chosen not to highlight it.
Abbott has now accused the LABOUR Party of shocking levels or racism and sexism, much of it directed against her personally.
From The Express:
The former shadow home secretary said the "Tory reluctance to call out racism and sexism is shocking, but hardly surprising".
But the Hackney North and Stoke Newington MP also took aim at Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, saying his position was "disappointing".
Writing in The Independent, Ms Abbott said: "But the position of the current leadership of the Labour Party is disappointing – it seemed equally reluctant at the outset to call out either racism or sexism.
In fact, a number of Labour statements were issued, and interviews given where neither word was mentioned.
"Instead, the entire focus was on the demand that the Tories give Hester back his money, which is surely not the primary point in this case."
Ms Abbott, who currently sits as an independent after losing the Labour whip in an antisemitism row, condemned the “shocking levels of racism and sexism from within the Labour Party, again much of it directed against me personally”.
I saw several of our 4th div. usual suspects criticising the Conservative leadership about this yesterday but strangely, not one word was said against Starmer and his team.
PS. I’m sorry but I couldn’t find a Guardian report on this so I guess that’s why you didn’t highlight it Syd.
She's got form herself Hound .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65365978
You’re forgetting to apply BSTs implied ruling Tyke.
Tory does something - disgusting, hound them out
Labour does something - honest mistake made in good faith
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Hope not Hate guys, hope not hate.
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It's not really difficult to understand is it?
Anyone, of any political persuasion, left or right, that holds racist, xenophobic or sexist views of any sort is, at the very least, irrational and at worst utterly abhorrent. Also, anyone who does hold these views should not be anywhere near any form of power, whether that's political, economic or religious.
All forms of discrimination are completely senseless, incoherent and stupid and anyone who does adhere to it should probably seek some form of medical support.
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Syd, have you overlooked the other news related to this situation, or chosen not to highlight it.
Abbott has now accused the LABOUR Party of shocking levels or racism and sexism, much of it directed against her personally.
From The Express:
The former shadow home secretary said the "Tory reluctance to call out racism and sexism is shocking, but hardly surprising".
But the Hackney North and Stoke Newington MP also took aim at Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, saying his position was "disappointing".
Writing in The Independent, Ms Abbott said: "But the position of the current leadership of the Labour Party is disappointing – it seemed equally reluctant at the outset to call out either racism or sexism.
In fact, a number of Labour statements were issued, and interviews given where neither word was mentioned.
"Instead, the entire focus was on the demand that the Tories give Hester back his money, which is surely not the primary point in this case."
Ms Abbott, who currently sits as an independent after losing the Labour whip in an antisemitism row, condemned the “shocking levels of racism and sexism from within the Labour Party, again much of it directed against me personally”.
I saw several of our 4th div. usual suspects criticising the Conservative leadership about this yesterday but strangely, not one word was said against Starmer and his team.
PS. I’m sorry but I couldn’t find a Guardian report on this so I guess that’s why you didn’t highlight it Syd.
She's got form herself Hound .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65365978
Have you read the link you posted? Is it comparable, and in your view does it mean she deserves racist abuse to be aimed at her?
With regard to the racist abuse referenced in the Labour Party itself, call me naive but I don’t think there is anyone so partisan to refuse to condemn that simply because of the source. However, I think it’s a bit disingenuous to be calling out a perceived lack of comment on here. What’s drawn comment to date is a very public refusal to identify or condemn (a specific instance of racism) by ministers sent out to represent the Conservative Party line. It’s been right there in front of you and easy to see where the subsequent comment has come from. At this stage, where public action or inaction is concerned, there is simply not the same to go on with the Labour Party at this particular point in time is there? Diane Abbott’s allegations are concerning and need to be investigated themselves, nobody is beyond reproach. But if you’re after “pages of comments” on here to make yourself feel better, then you probably need to give more of an idea exactly what about.
As a fairly new reader to this area of the forum, it’s apparent to me that most topics stem from issues very much in the public domain. And it’s not as one sided as some make out. Judging by the topics I’ve read, we certainly appear to have a number of people that are apologetic towards racism, misogyny, homophobia and transhopia, so surely that comes with an expectation to be challenged on it. This is a forum afterall, and that’s where the pages and pages come from.
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Syd, have you overlooked the other news related to this situation, or chosen not to highlight it.
Abbott has now accused the LABOUR Party of shocking levels or racism and sexism, much of it directed against her personally.
From The Express:
The former shadow home secretary said the "Tory reluctance to call out racism and sexism is shocking, but hardly surprising".
But the Hackney North and Stoke Newington MP also took aim at Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, saying his position was "disappointing".
Writing in The Independent, Ms Abbott said: "But the position of the current leadership of the Labour Party is disappointing – it seemed equally reluctant at the outset to call out either racism or sexism.
In fact, a number of Labour statements were issued, and interviews given where neither word was mentioned.
"Instead, the entire focus was on the demand that the Tories give Hester back his money, which is surely not the primary point in this case."
Ms Abbott, who currently sits as an independent after losing the Labour whip in an antisemitism row, condemned the “shocking levels of racism and sexism from within the Labour Party, again much of it directed against me personally”.
I saw several of our 4th div. usual suspects criticising the Conservative leadership about this yesterday but strangely, not one word was said against Starmer and his team.
PS. I’m sorry but I couldn’t find a Guardian report on this so I guess that’s why you didn’t highlight it Syd.
She's got form herself Hound .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65365978
You’re forgetting to apply BSTs implied ruling Tyke.
Tory does something - disgusting, hound them out
Labour does something - honest mistake made in good faith
That'd be a really good observation if it wasn't b*llocks.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=286068.msg1233016#msg1233016
Just repeating BB's obsessive trope doesn't make it true.
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It's not really difficult to understand is it?
Anyone, of any political persuasion, left or right, that holds racist, xenophobic or sexist views of any sort is, at the very least, irrational and at worst utterly abhorrent. Also, anyone who does hold these views should not be anywhere near any form of power, whether that's political, economic or religious.
All forms of discrimination are completely senseless, incoherent and stupid and anyone who does adhere to it should probably seek some form of medical support.
Call out Angela Rayner = Sexist.
Call out Diane Abbott = Sexist and racist.
Call out Teresa May as (for instance) "looked like a genetic experiment gone wrong" = Acceptable.
Can you imagine the reaction on here if someone said Diane Abbott looked like a genetic experiment gone wrong?
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It's not really difficult to understand is it?
Anyone, of any political persuasion, left or right, that holds racist, xenophobic or sexist views of any sort is, at the very least, irrational and at worst utterly abhorrent. Also, anyone who does hold these views should not be anywhere near any form of power, whether that's political, economic or religious.
All forms of discrimination are completely senseless, incoherent and stupid and anyone who does adhere to it should probably seek some form of medical support.
Call out Angela Rayner = Sexist.
Call out Diane Abbott = Sexist and racist.
Call out Teresa May as (for instance) "looked like a genetic experiment gone wrong" = Acceptable.
Can you imagine the reaction on here if someone said Diane Abbott looked like a genetic experiment gone wrong?
As I said BB - all forms of racist, sexist or xenophobic opinions, whether by left or right, are absolutely wrong and deserve to be called out. Let's face it, the politicians of the UK provide everyone with more than enough ammo to not need to go down those routes.
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We need to live by the rules we demand of our politicians
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Can't understand the fuss, he now, was only rude so that's OK
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Raven, no one on here has agreed with that.
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It's not really difficult to understand is it?
Anyone, of any political persuasion, left or right, that holds racist, xenophobic or sexist views of any sort is, at the very least, irrational and at worst utterly abhorrent. Also, anyone who does hold these views should not be anywhere near any form of power, whether that's political, economic or religious.
All forms of discrimination are completely senseless, incoherent and stupid and anyone who does adhere to it should probably seek some form of medical support.
Call out Angela Rayner = Sexist.
Call out Diane Abbott = Sexist and racist.
Call out Teresa May as (for instance) "looked like a genetic experiment gone wrong" = Acceptable.
Can you imagine the reaction on here if someone said Diane Abbott looked like a genetic experiment gone wrong?
then you need to start setting an example for the rest of us to follow bb
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Raven, no one on here has agreed with that.
Hound I think you missed thr sarcasm in that one
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Raven, no one on here has agreed with that.
Hound I think you missed thr sarcasm in that one
We should start a campaign to get the tongue in cheek emoji put on here as an option to use.
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Raven, no one on here has agreed with that.
Hound I think you missed thr sarcasm in that one
We should start a campaign to get the tongue in cheek emoji put on here as an option to use.
I use Purple print when I'm being ironic.
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Surely that's mispelt.
An m and o rather than an i.
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ok Iberian Red you have demonstrated your prowess to defend the "Political Reds" on here with so many posts in the absence of the "Official Gatekeeper" so you can have the job as "Deputy Gatekeeper" . Your attributes in this respect have not gone un-noticed over the years.
I'm a Numismatist by the way to coin a phrase so if you have any spare Chinese Coins you have earned from your "paymaster" could I please have them.
The ones i have have holes in them
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Surely that's mispelt.
An m and o rather than an i.
What Moberian Red?
.... And don't call me Surely.
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The lefties are at it again .............
''GPs are calling on the Tory donor Frank Hester to resign from his health tech company after his remarks about Diane Abbott which have been widely condemned as racist and misogynist.
Hester’s company TPP runs the electronic patient records of almost half the medical practices in the UK, making them his main UK clients. On Thursday the BMA’s general practice committee (GPC), which represent all UK GPs, voted for an emergency motion urging Hester to stand down from the company with immediate effect''
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/15/bma-gp-call-frank-hester-resign-racism-row-diane-abbott
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I'm sure someone can bothsides this.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1768539377901154772
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Oooh byline times, must be true then
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“From a Minister”. No names no pack drill eh. :lol:
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Oooh byline times, must be true then
Letting yourself down buddy. Look at it again.
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Adviser: "Kemi, love, it's all very well calling a racist, racist, but you're going to need tens of thousands of them to vote for you if you're going to get the Tory leadership. Have a think, eh?"
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1769633321258983437
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Maybe some of the 17.4m racist Brexiters will remain faithful.
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I'd just like to note there has been a couple of greens in town representing the UK government.
Mr Greensill and Mr Michael Green.
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They ARE just a parody Government now, aren't they.
Jeremy Hunt has just posted this on Twitter about his day fielding issues from his constituents.
Finally I spoke to a lady from Godalming about eligibility for the government’s childcare offer which is not available if one parent is earning over £100k. That is an issue I would really like to sort out after the next election as I am aware that it is not huge salary in our area if you have a mortgage to pay.
He actually HAS. That's not a joke.
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What world does silent C live in?
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Christ alive.
Just think, this clinically insane woman had her finger on the nuclear button for a Clough-night.
https://x.com/Bodysatnav/status/1771463624487256544?s=20
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Really funny that.
It takes me back to Abbotts reply when asked how much the extra police officers were going to cost.
“A lot”.
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Really funny that.
It takes me back to Abbotts reply when asked how much the extra police officers were going to cost.
“A lot”.
They’re all the same, Hound.
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They ARE just a parody Government now, aren't they.
Jeremy Hunt has just posted this on Twitter about his day fielding issues from his constituents.
Finally I spoke to a lady from Godalming about eligibility for the government’s childcare offer which is not available if one parent is earning over £100k. That is an issue I would really like to sort out after the next election as I am aware that it is not huge salary in our area if you have a mortgage to pay.
He actually HAS. That's not a joke.
And Hunt has doubled down on this.
https://x.com/AdamBienkov/status/1771823384277463099?s=20
Is he actually trying to get the Tories annihilated in the Election.
But let's assume for a moment that he's right. That there are families in this country with an earner with a salary of £100k, and they are struggling to get by.
What does THAT say about the economy and society that this bunch of shites has presided over?
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Really funny that.
It takes me back to Abbotts reply when asked how much the extra police officers were going to cost.
“A lot”.
They’re all the same, Hound.
Amazing how certain folk cling to a slip that Abbott made under pressure in an interview, and desperately want to equate that with absolute batshittery poured out in pre-planned statements and in a BOOK by the person who the Tory party made Prime Minister because they didn't realise she was insane.
It's like saying if one person loses a penny and another person burns a million quid, they are all the same because you can't trust them with money.
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Really funny that.
It takes me back to Abbotts reply when asked how much the extra police officers were going to cost.
“A lot”.
They’re all the same, Hound.
Amazing how certain folk cling to a slip that Abbott made under pressure in an interview, and desperately want to equate that with absolute batshittery poured out in pre-planned statements and in a BOOK by the person who the Tory party made Prime Minister because they didn't realise she was insane.
It's like saying if one person loses a penny and another person burns a million quid, they are all the same because you can't trust them with money.
It was mainly tongue in cheek, Billy.
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Really funny that.
It takes me back to Abbotts reply when asked how much the extra police officers were going to cost.
“A lot”.
They’re all the same, Hound.
Everyone is so serious these days.
Lots of angry people.
Amazing how certain folk cling to a slip that Abbott made under pressure in an interview, and desperately want to equate that with absolute batshittery poured out in pre-planned statements and in a BOOK by the person who the Tory party made Prime Minister because they didn't realise she was insane.
It's like saying if one person loses a penny and another person burns a million quid, they are all the same because you can't trust them with money.
It was mainly tongue in cheek, Billy.
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Really funny that.
It takes me back to Abbotts reply when asked how much the extra police officers were going to cost.
“A lot”.
They’re all the same, Hound.
Amazing how certain folk cling to a slip that Abbott made under pressure in an interview, and desperately want to equate that with absolute batshittery poured out in pre-planned statements and in a BOOK by the person who the Tory party made Prime Minister because they didn't realise she was insane.
It's like saying if one person loses a penny and another person burns a million quid, they are all the same because you can't trust them with money.
Also amazing they can remember Diane Abbott from 4/5 years ago - but forget Laura Trott, still amazingly Chief Secretary to the Treasury, not understanding how debt works from 4/5 weeks ago:
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=289010.msg1289921#msg1289921
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Give over. Diane Abbott has a long history of controversy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/diane-abbott-labour-mp-controversies-b2325277.html
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Last year
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Last year
What has that got to do with it?
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Last year
What has that got to do with it?
I'm glad you asked (although this has all been discussed before on here) you said a history and I confirmed that history as being 11 months.
But will also point out (again) that she apologised almost immediately, like straight away, I guess you may have difficulty with that concept but also that she was severely punished by the party.
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You know I've been saying for years that this Govt has absolutely zero to offer but Culture War and they will go all out to stir it up?
You know how it always sounds like I'm exaggerating for effect...until you look at what they are actually doing?
Get the latest one.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1772321715713982730
Pray for the Donny fans going through London to Crawley on Satdi. Brave, brave souls.
PS: Yes that really is an official Tory party video, in which they say that Sadiq Khan "seized power".
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Really funny that.
It takes me back to Abbotts reply when asked how much the extra police officers were going to cost.
“A lot”.
They’re all the same, Hound.
Amazing how certain folk cling to a slip that Abbott made under pressure in an interview, and desperately want to equate that with absolute batshittery poured out in pre-planned statements and in a BOOK by the person who the Tory party made Prime Minister because they didn't realise she was insane.
It's like saying if one person loses a penny and another person burns a million quid, they are all the same because you can't trust them with money.
As one of the “certain folk” you mention Billy, did you spot that I said (about Truss’ comment) that I thought it was really funny and I also “liked” your post, which you must have noticed given that you often comment when I like posts by other people.
It genuinely reminded me of the Abbott comment.
You must admit that that Abbott interview was a memorable one, unless you have selective memory.
If it makes you feel better, I too think Truss was a car crash and on a personal note, her few days in power wiped a big lump off my pension fund.
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You know I've been saying for years that this Govt has absolutely zero to offer but Culture War and they will go all out to stir it up?
You know how it always sounds like I'm exaggerating for effect...until you look at what they are actually doing?
Get the latest one.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1772321715713982730
Pray for the Donny fans going through London to Crawley on Satdi. Brave, brave souls.
PS: Yes that really is an official Tory party video, in which they say that Sadiq Khan "seized power".
Pray indeed, poor buggers will be a day late ..
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Wey-hey!
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Toris telling porkies, surely not .............. looks as though diversity is having a beneficial effect.
''Tories delete Sadiq Khan attack ad showing New York instead of London
Footage of people panicking, designed to attack the London mayor’s record on crime, was filmed in a New York subway station ...........
After commentators such as the political journalist Paul Waugh spotted that the video about London showed scenes from New York, it was withdrawn and replaced with a video where the Penn station clips had been cut.
As the Guardian reported last month, according to the Crime Survey for England and Wales, people are less likely to be victims of crime in London than across the country as a whole. In the capital, 14.9% of people experienced a crime either to their person or their household in the year ending September 2023, compared with 15.7% nationally.
Further analysis found London has one of the lowest rates of antisocial behaviour, the murder rate in the capital has dropped under the last three mayors, hospital admissions for firearm assaults fell last year and the capital has fewer incidents of gun crime and fewer stabbings than other parts of England''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/25/tories-sadiq-khan-attack-ad-new-york-london
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You know I've been saying for years that this Govt has absolutely zero to offer but Culture War and they will go all out to stir it up?
You know how it always sounds like I'm exaggerating for effect...until you look at what they are actually doing?
Get the latest one.
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1772321715713982730
Pray for the Donny fans going through London to Crawley on Satdi. Brave, brave souls.
PS: Yes that really is an official Tory party video, in which they say that Sadiq Khan "seized power".
Reckoned to be14th safesty city in the world.
This from a Party whose leader wasn't even elected, except from within
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The public does not vote for party leaders.
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Which is why a I said from within.
But the public will vote for a leader rather than a party ie The Piglet?
Would the public have voted in a Tory party led by a Truss or a Sunak in such numbers? I wonder?
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All party leaders are voted in from within.
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Not arguing that point so why are you?
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Because of your claim that "This from a Party whose leader wasn't even elected, except from within", which suggested it was somehow an unusual, or unfair occurrence.
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The video is a complete embarrassment to the tory party.
I wonder if that arse Fletcher was in charge,its a bit like his day out in Thorne,false.
Don't go to London,you're likely to either be stabbed by the mayor, or killed in a stampede on the tube.
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The video is a complete embarrassment to the tory party.
I wonder if that arse Fletcher was in charge,its a bit like his day out in Thorne,false.
Don't go to London,you're likely to either be stabbed by the mayor, or killed in a stampede on the tube.
Only the tube in that video is in New York, I assume that is your reference to Fletcher
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Yes,he likes to use images that are not true(along with many statements) when serving the local community.
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Which is why a I said from within.
But the public will vote for a leader rather than a party ie The Piglet?
Would the public have voted in a Tory party led by a Truss or a Sunak in such numbers? I wonder?
And the questions here BB any comments?
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The public may be influenced by who is leading the party, but all party leaders are voted in from within.
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And the 2nd part?
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And the 2nd part?
What on earth has my opinion on that got to do with your suggestion that it was somehow an unusual, or unfair occurrence to have a Prime minister who was elected from within instead of by the public?
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Just interested that's all.
What I do disagree with is that a change of leader does not merit a General Election be that when Brown succeeded Blair or the numerous who have succeeded Johnson
But as is the norm I'll leave the last word to you , as always
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Just interested that's all.
What I do disagree with is that a change of leader does not merit a General Election be that when Brown succeeded Blair or the numerous who have succeeded Johnson
But as is the norm I'll leave the last word to you , as always
Thank you!
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The public may be influenced by who is leading the party, but all party leaders are voted in from within.
The public ARE heavily influenced by who is the leader, and then that is through the lens of the interested media's take on them. Democracy?
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The latest 'Best for Britain' polling appears to sweep aside all the misgivings we read about on here about Starmer and if played out at the GE would/should give labour enough impetus to be positive regarding a much needed second term.
''This new megapoll of over 15,029 respondents and MRP analysis was carried out by Survation on behalf of Best for Britain and went into the field shortly after the Chancellor’s Budget. The poll and MRP constituency-level analysis shows that under Rishi Sunak, the Conservatives are headed for electoral oblivion, on track to return just 98 MPs at the next election''
https://www.bestforbritain.org/spring-2024-polling
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Your regular reminder that two years ago, the Tory party put this person in charge of the red button.
https://x.com/JAHeale/status/1779772182324761046
She's written a book, serialised by The Mail that just adds to the evidence of how utterly barking mad she is.
Everything she failed at was because the Woke blob was controlling the boardrooms of major companies, the BoE, the OBR, the BBC and the MCC. And it just wasn't fair!
It is genuinely terrifying that we had her running the country for a Clough-nite. It's like when the Roman Empire went to shite and they made a horse the Consul.
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Your regular reminder that two years ago, the Tory party put this person in charge of the red button.
https://x.com/JAHeale/status/1779772182324761046
She's written a book, serialised by The Mail that just adds to the evidence of how utterly barking mad she is.
Everything she failed at was because the Woke blob was controlling the boardrooms of major companies, the BoE, the OBR, the BBC and the MCC. And it just wasn't fair!
It is genuinely terrifying that we had her running the country for a Clough-nite. It's like when the Roman Empire went to shite and they made a horse the Consul.
Mate you campaigned for someone who publicly stated they wouldn’t press the red button, not sure your judgment is decent enough to judge others
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He didn't say that as it happens. At least not in the election campaign.
But, point taken. As I've said times many, that was the worst choice of PM ever. But somehow the Tory party managed to dig up an even worse PM.
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He didn't say that as it happens. At least not in the election campaign.
But, point taken. As I've said times many, that was the worst choice of PM ever. But somehow the Tory party managed to dig up an even worse PM.
Now that we can agree on :)
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Well, well, well. Look who's thinking about coming back. That'll be a vote winner!!
https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-refuses-to-rule-out-running-for-tory-leader-again-13115990
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But, point taken. As I've said times many, that was the worst choice of PM ever. But somehow the Tory party managed to dig up an even worse PM.
To be fair to the Tories, they've had 3 on the bounce.
1) The liar,never to be trusted
2) The basket case.
E) The f**king clueless.
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Badenoch overtook Mourdant in the conservative home poll (grassroots) so it is looking like it will be her in opposition.
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Here's Truss going full on Trump.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68821646
My favourite quote from that piece:
"Maybe I think differently from other people."
So perhaps she's got more self- awareness than she gets credit for. Because she certainly thinks differently to anyone whose mind works properly.
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Apparently the book was written using crayons.
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''Liz Truss quiz: did she really say that in her book?'
Can you guess which things Liz Truss actually claimed in her book and which are our fantastic inventions?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/16/liz-truss-quiz-did-she-really-say-that-in-her-book
Liz Truss, brought to you by the tory party.
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Fascinating reading Syd. :zzz:
For the record, I’m glad she didn’t stay on longer than the 49 days, she was a total disaster.
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Here's Truss going full on Trump.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68821646
My favourite quote from that piece:
"Maybe I think differently from other people."
So perhaps she's got more self- awareness than she gets credit for. Because she certainly thinks differently to anyone whose mind works properly.
She has you sussed out Billy,a ‘Finger wagging,Nannying control freak’ like a great deal of other libertines on the left side of this Forum!
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Goodness. Is it that time already?
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''Rishi Sunak will today claim Britain is suffering from a “sicknote culture”, as he warns there is a risk of “over-medicalising” normal worries by diagnosing them as mental health conditions.
In a speech on how to reduce people being signed off sick from work, the prime minister will say the government is planning to trial getting “work and health professionals” to issue fit notes, shifting away from GPs carrying out this role.
Sunak will say he is concerned about the increase in long-term sickness since the pandemic, largely driven by mental health conditions with 2.8 million people now “economically inactive”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/19/sunak-to-cite-britains-sicknote-culture-in-bid-to-overhaul-fit-note-system
Oh the irony, when for 14 + years tory governments have only ever been economically active in a destructive sense.
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Blame culture eh:
No fleas on those fellows.
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I hope that's Chase as it doesn't look like Hound nor me except on a bag day maybe.
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''Rishi Sunak will today claim Britain is suffering from a “sicknote culture”, as he warns there is a risk of “over-medicalising” normal worries by diagnosing them as mental health conditions.
In a speech on how to reduce people being signed off sick from work, the prime minister will say the government is planning to trial getting “work and health professionals” to issue fit notes, shifting away from GPs carrying out this role.
Sunak will say he is concerned about the increase in long-term sickness since the pandemic, largely driven by mental health conditions with 2.8 million people now “economically inactive”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/19/sunak-to-cite-britains-sicknote-culture-in-bid-to-overhaul-fit-note-system
Oh the irony, when for 14 + years tory governments have only ever been economically active in a destructive sense.
I had reasonably high hopes for Sunak to be a decent, competent politician.
He's actually as big a Kitson as any of the worst of them, playing up to the prejudices of the few Kitsons who might still vote for them.
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''Rishi Sunak will today claim Britain is suffering from a “sicknote culture”, as he warns there is a risk of “over-medicalising” normal worries by diagnosing them as mental health conditions.
In a speech on how to reduce people being signed off sick from work, the prime minister will say the government is planning to trial getting “work and health professionals” to issue fit notes, shifting away from GPs carrying out this role.
Sunak will say he is concerned about the increase in long-term sickness since the pandemic, largely driven by mental health conditions with 2.8 million people now “economically inactive”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/19/sunak-to-cite-britains-sicknote-culture-in-bid-to-overhaul-fit-note-system
Oh the irony, when for 14 + years tory governments have only ever been economically active in a destructive sense.
I had reasonably high hopes for Sunak to be a decent, competent politician.
He's actually as big a Kitson as any of the worst of them, playing up to the prejudices of the few Kitsons who might still vote for them.
He’s Tory. If you had ‘high hopes’ for him (another non-elected Prime Minister) you have your finger on the wrong pulse.
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You want to point out when we’ve ever had an elected prime minister Colin? We elect MPs nothing more
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So it seems that certain individuals on here have no issue with the growing cabal of "sickness culture", when added to the growing "economically inactive" we have major issues with work in this country,
What happens when the sick list grows from 2.5m to 5m and above under Labour?
Im quite happy to fund the genuine needy, do we really want our taxes to be increased to fund the feckless?
Seems no one's happy with the Tory solution, i wonder what Labour will do to correct this situation?
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So it seems that certain individuals on here have no issue with the growing cabal of "sickness culture", when added to the growing "economically inactive" we have major issues with work in this country,
What happens when the sick list grows from 2.5m to 5m and above under Labour?
Im quite happy to fund the genuine needy, do we really want our taxes to be increased to fund the feckless?
Seems no one's happy with the Tory solution, i wonder what Labour will do to correct this situation?
My Guess is,Not a lot!
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So it seem
What happens when the sick list grows from 2.5m to 5m and above under Labour?
The forum has its very own Russel Grant.
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So it seems that certain individuals on here have no issue with the growing cabal of "sickness culture", when added to the growing "economically inactive" we have major issues with work in this country,
What happens when the sick list grows from 2.5m to 5m and above under Labour?
Im quite happy to fund the genuine needy, do we really want our taxes to be increased to fund the feckless?
Seems no one's happy with the Tory solution, i wonder what Labour will do to correct this situation?
This "certain individual" has close up and personal experience of what mental health issues do to the vulnerable. And I f**king despise any Kitson who would play on that to get other Kitsons to vote for him.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but as per the ministerial code shouldn't Rich-ie have announced this in Parliament rather than in a speech?
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''Rishi Sunak will today claim Britain is suffering from a “sicknote culture”, as he warns there is a risk of “over-medicalising” normal worries by diagnosing them as mental health conditions.
In a speech on how to reduce people being signed off sick from work, the prime minister will say the government is planning to trial getting “work and health professionals” to issue fit notes, shifting away from GPs carrying out this role.
Sunak will say he is concerned about the increase in long-term sickness since the pandemic, largely driven by mental health conditions with 2.8 million people now “economically inactive”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/19/sunak-to-cite-britains-sicknote-culture-in-bid-to-overhaul-fit-note-system
Oh the irony, when for 14 + years tory governments have only ever been economically active in a destructive sense.
I had reasonably high hopes for Sunak to be a decent, competent politician.
He's actually as big a Kitson as any of the worst of them, playing up to the prejudices of the few Kitsons who might still vote for them.
He’s Tory. If you had ‘high hopes’ for him (another non-elected Prime Minister) you have your finger on the wrong pulse.
Teresa May (I think it was) had it right over a decade ago.
She said the Tories always had a reputation for being hard. She said they were seen as bas**rds, but competent bas**rds. They were hard and heartless, but they got things done.
She said that they way things were going, they were going to end up being seen as incompetent bas**rds. They are truly f**king useless at running the country. In fact they've given up on even trying. So they just amplify the heartless bas**rd bit to stop other heartless bas**rds from voting for Farage.
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So it seem
What happens when the sick list grows from 2.5m to 5m and above under Labour?
The forum has its very own Russel Grant.
Wow, your funny!
Have you had a look at the current trajectory of sickness claims?
Even someone as witless as you could see that there increasing.
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So it seems that certain individuals on here have no issue with the growing cabal of "sickness culture", when added to the growing "economically inactive" we have major issues with work in this country,
What happens when the sick list grows from 2.5m to 5m and above under Labour?
Im quite happy to fund the genuine needy, do we really want our taxes to be increased to fund the feckless?
Seems no one's happy with the Tory solution, i wonder what Labour will do to correct this situation?
This "certain individual" has close up and personal experience of what mental health issues do to the vulnerable. And I f**king despise any Kitson who would play on that to get other Kitsons to vote for him.
Do you ever actually read a post before you reply?
My point was aimed at the increase in long term sickness allied with the economically inactive.
I've every sympathy for genuine cases and for people with mental health issues.
My point was aimed at the constant increase and how none genuine cases can be reduced, nobody likes the solution that Sunak as put forward, i'd be interested to hear how Labour will deal with this issue, the tax pot is only so big, what do they intend to do about it?
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As someone who suffered with poor mental health around 20 years ago I was encouraged by the mental health charity MIND to try and find a physical job .
Apparently physical work is very good for poor mental health .
I'm not suggesting it's a one size fits all narrative because it's dependant on your age and physical capabilities plus the type of mental health problems you have .
However poor mental health doesn't necessarily mean you can't work .
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I havent seen the details behind this but it wouldnt surprise me in the slightest if this is a way to outsource a slice of healthcare to the Tory doner community
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So it seems that certain individuals on here have no issue with the growing cabal of "sickness culture", when added to the growing "economically inactive" we have major issues with work in this country,
What happens when the sick list grows from 2.5m to 5m and above under Labour?
Im quite happy to fund the genuine needy, do we really want our taxes to be increased to fund the feckless?
Seems no one's happy with the Tory solution, i wonder what Labour will do to correct this situation?
This "certain individual" has close up and personal experience of what mental health issues do to the vulnerable. And I f**king despise any Kitson who would play on that to get other Kitsons to vote for him.
Do you ever actually read a post before you reply?
My point was aimed at the increase in long term sickness allied with the economically inactive.
I've every sympathy for genuine cases and for people with mental health issues.
My point was aimed at the constant increase and how none genuine cases can be reduced, nobody likes the solution that Sunak as put forward, i'd be interested to hear how Labour will deal with this issue, the tax pot is only so big, what do they intend to do about it?
Then maybe YOU would do well to actually listen to what Sunak has said today, where he conflated the rise in sickness absence with dog whistles about mental health issues being overblown.
He's a Kitson, appealing to Kitsons.
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So it seems that certain individuals on here have no issue with the growing cabal of "sickness culture", when added to the growing "economically inactive" we have major issues with work in this country,
What happens when the sick list grows from 2.5m to 5m and above under Labour?
Im quite happy to fund the genuine needy, do we really want our taxes to be increased to fund the feckless?
Seems no one's happy with the Tory solution, i wonder what Labour will do to correct this situation?
This "certain individual" has close up and personal experience of what mental health issues do to the vulnerable. And I f**king despise any Kitson who would play on that to get other Kitsons to vote for him.
Do you ever actually read a post before you reply?
My point was aimed at the increase in long term sickness allied with the economically inactive.
I've every sympathy for genuine cases and for people with mental health issues.
My point was aimed at the constant increase and how none genuine cases can be reduced, nobody likes the solution that Sunak as put forward, i'd be interested to hear how Labour will deal with this issue, the tax pot is only so big, what do they intend to do about it?
Then maybe YOU would do well to actually listen to what Sunak has said today, where he conflated the rise in sickness absence with dog whistles about mental health issues being overblown.
He's a Kitson, appealing to Kitsons.
Do you know that some are not being overblown, do you think every case is genuine?
I hope your not thinking i agree with Sunak and are calling me a Kitson?
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So it seems that certain individuals on here have no issue with the growing cabal of "sickness culture", when added to the growing "economically inactive" we have major issues with work in this country,
What happens when the sick list grows from 2.5m to 5m and above under Labour?
Im quite happy to fund the genuine needy, do we really want our taxes to be increased to fund the feckless?
Seems no one's happy with the Tory solution, i wonder what Labour will do to correct this situation?
This "certain individual" has close up and personal experience of what mental health issues do to the vulnerable. And I f**king despise any Kitson who would play on that to get other Kitsons to vote for him.
Do you ever actually read a post before you reply?
My point was aimed at the increase in long term sickness allied with the economically inactive.
I've every sympathy for genuine cases and for people with mental health issues.
My point was aimed at the constant increase and how none genuine cases can be reduced, nobody likes the solution that Sunak as put forward, i'd be interested to hear how Labour will deal with this issue, the tax pot is only so big, what do they intend to do about it?
Then maybe YOU would do well to actually listen to what Sunak has said today, where he conflated the rise in sickness absence with dog whistles about mental health issues being overblown.
He's a Kitson, appealing to Kitsons.
Do you know that some are not being overblown, do you think every case is genuine?
I hope your not thinking i agree with Sunak and are calling me a Kitson?
No I don't think you're a Kitson. I think you are obsessed with responding "yeah but Labour are shit" to everything though and I'm really not in the mood today of all days after some news I've had to indulge that.
Look at what's happened to sickness benefit cases.
Look at what's happened to NHS waiting lists.
Then draw a conclusion.
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So it seems that certain individuals on here have no issue with the growing cabal of "sickness culture", when added to the growing "economically inactive" we have major issues with work in this country,
What happens when the sick list grows from 2.5m to 5m and above under Labour?
Im quite happy to fund the genuine needy, do we really want our taxes to be increased to fund the feckless?
Seems no one's happy with the Tory solution, i wonder what Labour will do to correct this situation?
This "certain individual" has close up and personal experience of what mental health issues do to the vulnerable. And I f**king despise any Kitson who would play on that to get other Kitsons to vote for him.
Do you ever actually read a post before you reply?
My point was aimed at the increase in long term sickness allied with the economically inactive.
I've every sympathy for genuine cases and for people with mental health issues.
My point was aimed at the constant increase and how none genuine cases can be reduced, nobody likes the solution that Sunak as put forward, i'd be interested to hear how Labour will deal with this issue, the tax pot is only so big, what do they intend to do about it?
Then maybe YOU would do well to actually listen to what Sunak has said today, where he conflated the rise in sickness absence with dog whistles about mental health issues being overblown.
He's a Kitson, appealing to Kitsons.
Do you know that some are not being overblown, do you think every case is genuine?
I hope your not thinking i agree with Sunak and are calling me a Kitson?
No I don't think you're a Kitson. I think you are obsessed with responding "yeah but Labour are shit" to everything though and I'm really not in the mood today of all days after some news I've had to indulge that.
Look at what's happened to sickness benefit cases.
Look at what's happened to NHS waiting lists.
Then draw a conclusion.
The conclusion I have drawn is you Billy are on the ‘Spectrum’
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Mental health issues are horrible. Grim, difficult to understand and in society quite divisive.
Where is the line between genuine serious issues and can't be bothered to go to work?
I don't know the answer but I'm not sure Sunak is all that wrong either. Why is it much more of an issue than it previously was? Why are nearly a third of the 4 year olds in my son's nursery on a spectrum or classed as requiring needs? It never used to be that way so what has changed? Better understanding or the need to put differences in a bracket?
Before I'm criticised, I don't know the answers to those questions, it's a bit too complex for me and well outside my expertise. But maybe Sunak has a point too?
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Like I say BFYP. Look at the hospital waiting lists under this shower of shit then look at the number of people signed off sick.
The funding for dealing with mental health issues is cut to the bone. Then they blame people who have untreated mental health problems as being shirkers.
They have nothing at all to offer the country so they scuttle about like rats looking for someone to blame.
A few months now, then they can f**k off to well deserved obscurity and decide what purpose they serve.
Good riddance to them.
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By the way, this is what the Tories are reduced to.
Sunak has said today that he doesn't want GPs deciding if people are too sick to work. He wants to outsource it to body of medical experts.
What the f**k are GPs then?
What he's doing here is precisely what the Tories are reduced to.
He's denigrating the ability and integrity of trained, professionals.
They've done it with judges, universities, economists, basically anyone with professional expertise.
Because that's all they have left. Pandering to sneering ignorance and bigotry.
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So it seems that certain individuals on here have no issue with the growing cabal of "sickness culture", when added to the growing "economically inactive" we have major issues with work in this country,
What happens when the sick list grows from 2.5m to 5m and above under Labour?
Im quite happy to fund the genuine needy, do we really want our taxes to be increased to fund the feckless?
Seems no one's happy with the Tory solution, i wonder what Labour will do to correct this situation?
''Have you had a look at the current trajectory of sickness claims?''
''My point was aimed at the increase in long term sickness allied with the economically inactive.
I've every sympathy for genuine cases and for people with mental health issues.
My point was aimed at the constant increase and how none genuine cases can be reduced, nobody likes the solution that Sunak as put forward, i'd be interested to hear how Labour will deal with this issue, the tax pot is only so big, what do they intend to do about it?''
DD you do jump straight in with your first post with some finger wagging.
It would make for a better discussion if you would produce information to support your claims dd it would also give an insight into where you glean your information.
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Simon Case, the very highly paid UK Government Cabinet Secretary under Johnson & Sunak, took over two months off work 'sick leave' at the time he was due to give evidence to the Covid Inquiry.
Is this the type of 'sick note culture' Sunak is talking about? If so what has he done about it?
https://www.politico.eu/article/covid-inquiry-uk-top-official-simon-case-excused-from-appearing-this-year/
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'The point (of the policy) is the cruelty itself'
Interesting to ponder when you see who supports it.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1781570416064016531
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As I’ve said before, my son has schizophrenia.Been ill since he was 16.
Currently he’s ok (as ok as someone can be with his condition)as he’s taking his meds.
He’s 36 and has never worked and claims ESA and PIP.
Recently we were contacted by a worker from Reed about getting him into some work. It’s all part of the plan to get the long term sick into work.
I know for a fact that he’ll never be able to hold down a job as he’s so many deficits due to the negative symptoms of his illness and the side effects of his meds.
Nevertheless I gave him the opportunity to see this woman and he said he wanted to.
To give her her due she’s tried very hard to find him something and he’s been to a couple of interviews for menial jobs, pot washing and treading in divots at the racecourse, where they’ve known of his condition and been supportive, but with no offers.
The worker seems desperate to find him something and I wonder if she has targets to reach.
I’ve told her that even if he finds a job he can’t work more than 15 hours a week as he can’t afford to lose his benefits.
This is all despite me knowing that he won’t last 5 minutes with any employer as I’ve tried to get him to do simple jobs with me,he gives up as things just don’t compute.
I understand that and accept it, but an employer won’t, and I wonder if him seeing this woman is good for him as the inevitable rejections won’t do anything for his self worth or mental health.
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Simon Case, the very highly paid UK Government Cabinet Secretary under Johnson & Sunak, took over two months off work 'sick leave' at the time he was due to give evidence to the Covid Inquiry.
Is this the type of 'sick note culture' Sunak is talking about? If so what has he done about it?
https://www.politico.eu/article/covid-inquiry-uk-top-official-simon-case-excused-from-appearing-this-year/
It might well be a reason why Sunak has said what he has wilts.
As bfyp said above, it is a fine line between genuine cases and people looking for reasons not to go to work.
I don’t suppose that anyone on this forum has the required expertise to tell us.
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It's a sad fact of life that everyone has to be scrutinised because of a few cheats.
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It's a sad fact of life that everyone has to be scrutinised because of a few cheats.
Then they should go where the real black money is to be found amongst the tax cheats.
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.... As long as it's not Angela Rayner and her cronies, aye Skippy?
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.... As long as it's not Angela Rayner and her cronies, aye Skippy?
You can't seem to help yourself bb, you declared Starmer guilty contrary to common sense and facts now you are trying to smear Raynor without facts and yet you go out of your way not denounce johnson for the liar he is.
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Of course Syd, you never denounced anyone from the Tory Party did you. Aye.
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Check any nation you like and recently there has been a large uptick in mental health problems. Particularly amongst young women.
Something is going on and it needs investigating. The prime suspect is social media apps.
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I guess you could put this down to tax cuts instead of support for services ...........
''Former minister and Conservative MP Dan Poulter has defected to Labour.
In an exclusive TV interview, the MP for Central Suffolk and North Ipswich told the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg that he could no longer look his NHS colleagues and patients in the eye and stay on as a Conservative.
Dr Poulter, who works part time as a doctor, said that Conservatives were no longer focused on public services.
The Conservative Party said it was "disappointing news"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68913287
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I guess you could put this down to tax cuts instead of support for services ...........
''Former minister and Conservative MP Dan Poulter has defected to Labour.
In an exclusive TV interview, the MP for Central Suffolk and North Ipswich told the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg that he could no longer look his NHS colleagues and patients in the eye and stay on as a Conservative.
Dr Poulter, who works part time as a doctor, said that Conservatives were no longer focused on public services.
The Conservative Party said it was "disappointing news"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68913287
Not sure he's cut out for politics it's taken him 14 years to work that out.
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I guess you could put this down to tax cuts instead of support for services ...........
''Former minister and Conservative MP Dan Poulter has defected to Labour.
In an exclusive TV interview, the MP for Central Suffolk and North Ipswich told the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg that he could no longer look his NHS colleagues and patients in the eye and stay on as a Conservative.
Dr Poulter, who works part time as a doctor, said that Conservatives were no longer focused on public services.
The Conservative Party said it was "disappointing news"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68913287
Not sure he's cut out for politics it's taken him 14 years to work that out.
And yet he is now Labour so he must be more ok today than he was yesterday.
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Well labour policies are pretty similar to a lot of Tory policies from the last election so it's not really a radical change now is it.
Bit weird how someone who's been a minister in that party can now after 14 years change their view mind having been part of it.
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I guess you could put this down to tax cuts instead of support for services ...........
''Former minister and Conservative MP Dan Poulter has defected to Labour.
In an exclusive TV interview, the MP for Central Suffolk and North Ipswich told the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg that he could no longer look his NHS colleagues and patients in the eye and stay on as a Conservative.
Dr Poulter, who works part time as a doctor, said that Conservatives were no longer focused on public services.
The Conservative Party said it was "disappointing news"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68913287
Not sure he's cut out for politics it's taken him 14 years to work that out.
And yet he is now Labour so he must be more ok today than he was yesterday.
Standing down at GE
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Surely he’s not thought “I’m going to lose my seat & with it all the ‘goodies’ I’ve enjoyed over the past 14 years. But, if I go over to the Labour benches they’re sure to give me a safe seat to win & my joy ride continues!”.
No, I’m being far too cynical.
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Colin see the post above
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If an MP decides he's had enough of being associated with his party then he should in effect resign his job and leave, he's obviously not giving any thought to the constituents who voted him into his seat.
If the constituents of Central Suffolk and North Ipswich wanted a Labour MP then they would of voted accordingly.
All very well stating a moral dilemma for leaving but then not doing the same thing and resigning his post also.
Hypocrite is not enough. The perks of the job we're obviously far too much to surrender. Regardless of his status after the GE.
Why does this never surprise you?
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But that is not giving any thought to the constituents either is it? unless there is polling in his seat to see whether they want something done about the NHS or more of the same it's a mute point, no?
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So my point stands. whichever way you look at it.
I very much doubt this individual was so vaunted that the constituents voted for him above and beyond party loyalty.
In effect he's benefitted from being associated with that party, this has now changed and he should give up the benefit which was to be a MP.
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So my point stands. whichever way you look at it.
I very much doubt this individual was so vaunted that the constituents voted for him above and beyond party loyalty.
In effect he's benefitted from being associated with that party, this has now changed and he should give up the benefit which was to be a MP.
I assume you think this also applies to Lee Anderson?
For the record I agree with your point
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So my point stands. whichever way you look at it.
I very much doubt this individual was so vaunted that the constituents voted for him above and beyond party loyalty.
In effect he's benefitted from being associated with that party, this has now changed and he should give up the benefit which was to be a MP.
I assume you think this also applies to Lee Anderson?
For the record I agree with your point
Absolutely, any MP who resigns the whip should also resign their position.
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As should be the case with a change of PM auto GE
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''When a Government...''
Speaking about the local elections ......
''The Northern Ireland Secretary, Chris Heaton-Harris, said the results in the Sunderland area, where partial results show a Labour hold of the council seat (see post at 01.10), show “if you vote Reform, you get Labour”
But ....... if you vote tory you get .........
'UK will be worst-performing G7 economy in 2025, OECD forecasts
The outlook is a blow to Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and his Chancellor Jeremy Hunt''
Or worse if at all possible, vote Reform.
(And ironically of course taking note of tory stewardship of NI)
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-will-be-worst-performing-g7-economy-in-2025-oecd-forecasts/#:~:text=In%20its%20annual%20assessment%20of,its%20last%20prediction%20in%20March.
A song for risky ...........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC1H8K2P5W8
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There's very little worth voting for in the government. Lee Anderson actually called one thing right, they could drop £1m in every persons house and they'd still lose. I agree, too many f**k ups and too many idiots.
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Yep, it's looking like the end game for a once proud party, pud. Risky didn't have a lot of options but he's stayed with the same game plan, now they just are chasing their own tails.
Labour would have to implode I would think to fail from here.
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Rishi isn't necessarily the problem albeit he isn't great he's not terrible either. He's like Danny Schofield, rubbish squad, average leadership skills and doesn't have the gravitas to turn it around.
Get Mccann in!
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Most will be in agreement that this government is long past its sell-by date, and for the sake of everyone, we need to get a GE called and put them and us out of this misery.
On the other hand, it will be very interesting to see just how much of a change an incoming government will make given the current situation we and the world find ourselves in.
Every day, it looks more and more like you would struggle to get a fag paper between Tory and Labour policy on a great many issues.
Plenty to look forward to then!
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The thing is DD you won't see Austerity just for the hell of it, you won't see isolationist policies, you won't see a mad liar in charge and you won't see crazy policies that sent the markets berko.
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The thing is DD you won't see Austerity just for the hell of it, you won't see isolationist policies, you won't see a mad liar in charge and you won't see crazy policies that sent the markets berko.
Yeah but, if I've decided they are all as bad as each other, you can batter me with logic as much as you like and I'll ignore it.
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The thing is DD you won't see Austerity just for the hell of it, you won't see isolationist policies, you won't see a mad liar in charge and you won't see crazy policies that sent the markets berko.
Austerity is a political choice , it's not the only show in town when it comes to getting a country back on it's feet so the Labour Party austerity will be a political choice just the same as the Tories was a political choice .
You don't get to have a better austerity reason .
If the Labour Party burnt down your house you'd thank them for the warmth .
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And once again, people who have decided Labour are Red Tories prove themselves impervious to facts.
Reeves has said explicitly that Labour's fiscal plan is to eliminate the CURRENT deficit. That allies space for continued borrowing for investment.
Tell me why this is different to the Corbyn/McDonnell plan in 2017.
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No one has decided anything yet, and as far as i can see anything that comes out of Reeves gob is not an actual fact until she's in power and implementing these "facts.".
Still, we all have to wait and see because, as far as anyone can tell this version of Labour tells you one thing and then decides to quietly drop it before they even have a chance to implement any of their "policies."
I'll believe it when i see it, Starmers Labour have form on this and the electorate won't let them forget it.
Let's see shall we?. We can always revert back to this at the appropriate time.
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What problem do you have with a female economist being in charge of the oppositions fiscal policy?
There's really no need to ask is there.
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No one has decided anything yet, and as far as i can see anything that comes out of Reeves gob is not an actual fact until she's in power and implementing these "facts.".
Still, we all have to wait and see because, as far as anyone can tell this version of Labour tells you one thing and then decides to quietly drop it before they even have a chance to implement any of their "policies."
I'll believe it when i see it, Starmers Labour have form on this and the electorate won't let them forget it.
Let's see shall we?. We can always revert back to this at the appropriate time.
Nice one.
When Labour say something you don't want, you complain that they'll do it.
When they say something you do want, you complain that they might not do it.
Do you think the issue is that you just don't like Labour?
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https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1786870750676234745
So the rebels have given up any chance of winning this election and they are readying themselves for the bloodbath that comes after they get smashed this autumn.
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She's a lovely individual isn't she.
Only has the best for the country in her heart.
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No one has decided anything yet, and as far as i can see anything that comes out of Reeves gob is not an actual fact until she's in power and implementing these "facts.".
Still, we all have to wait and see because, as far as anyone can tell this version of Labour tells you one thing and then decides to quietly drop it before they even have a chance to implement any of their "policies."
I'll believe it when i see it, Starmers Labour have form on this and the electorate won't let them forget it.
Let's see shall we?. We can always revert back to this at the appropriate time.
Nice one.
When Labour say something you don't want, you complain that they'll do it.
When they say something you do want, you complain that they might not do it.
Do you think the issue is that you just don't like Labour?
It's not a matter of liking or not.
I'd just like the party that is on course to become the next government to decide on a policy and if it's the correct one then it will run.
What I don't want is a government that will make up policy on the hoof and drop it just as quickly. That, to me sounds like people who don't know what they are doing.
I do believe we've all seen where that takes us with this shower, we definitely deserve better.
Is Labour going to be up to it?
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Suella Braverman
''The hole to dig us out is the PM's and it's time for him to start shovelling''
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Risky does'nt know what a shovel is,he'll have to refer that to one of his servant plebs
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If you're in a hole, the last thing you want is a shovel.
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I see following the vote last night on when MPs should be suspended following arrest for sexual misconduct that the Tories majority could be wiped out due to the numbers already under investigation
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If you're in a hole, the last thing you want is a shovel.
(https://media.tenor.com/Eeyv4vVW56IAAAAe/dig-up.png)
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https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1790462771806478575
How many seconds left till this lot of shites finally f**k off.
British Universities are a massive success.
Places for home students are massively subsidised by the very high fees that foreign students are prepared to pay.
Sunak here is grunting around looking for the next front in the Culture War, to keep the racists who are left supporting the Tories happy. When he should be trying to run the country. Or preparing to f**k off and let someone remotely competent do it.
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https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1790462771806478575
How many seconds left till this lot of shites finally f**k off.
British Universities are a massive success.
Places for home students are massively subsidised by the very high fees that foreign students are prepared to pay.
Sunak here is grunting around looking for the next front in the Culture War, to keep the racists who are left supporting the Tories happy. When he should be trying to run the country. Or preparing to f**k off and let someone remotely competent do it.
YOU ARE ‘WOLFIE SMITH!’ Can I claim £100?
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It's like a scorched earth policy.
https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1791728587508215860
There is no successful part of Britain that these Kitsons won't smash if it helps them retain a few racist voters who might otherwise go to Farage.
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Count the seconds down until this t**t has nothing to do but talk b*llocks on GB News for £400k a year.
https://x.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1792868628607402059
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I see Hunt with the silent C still claims it's down to their actions that inflation has come down, difficult decisions like cutting spending and raising taxes last Autumn did it. The BofE did their bit as well
Out of our control when inflation went up now it's down it's all down to them.
Snap election anyone?
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Sounds like he's finally about to call an election for 4th July. They've finally scraped the last of the varnish off the bottom of the barrel, time to pack up and f**k off.
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Yep. Here we go.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69042935
Let's get the f**kers out for good.
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So Simon Case finally throws Rich-ie under the bus, we knew nothing of the eat out scheme until he announced it
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It's like a scorched earth policy.
https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1791728587508215860
There is no successful part of Britain that these Kitsons won't smash if it helps them retain a few racist voters who might otherwise go to Farage.
So many racist accusations.
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It's like a scorched earth policy.
https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1791728587508215860
There is no successful part of Britain that these Kitsons won't smash if it helps them retain a few racist voters who might otherwise go to Farage.
So many racist accusations.
The Idiot is basically a Mcarthyite , Anybody with a different view to BST is a fascist, Racist, Bigot.
He needs to sputhis shite in a Few pubs in Parsons Cross, he will get to meet some real ones very quickly!
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It's like a scorched earth policy.
https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1791728587508215860
There is no successful part of Britain that these Kitsons won't smash if it helps them retain a few racist voters who might otherwise go to Farage.
So many racist accusations.
The Idiot is basically a Mcarthyite , Anybody with a different view to BST is a fascist, Racist, Bigot.
He needs to sputhis shite in a Few pubs in Parsons Cross, he will get to meet some real ones very quickly!
The reason why he's on this fourth-division off-topic football forum is because he can spout his shit in relative safety.
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Who's been protecting you all these years bb?
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I only tend to come across gobshites who call everyone who disagrees with them "racist, stupid, petulant, selfish, thick, fascist" etc on the internet. In the real world, they are so very few and far between, and a must to avoid if you are unfortunate enough to find yourself in the same company as them.
Of course, some of them are also too far away, thank f**k.
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It amazing to read the shite coming from a Clown in Australia, someone who ran away from England and then tries to tell us how to lead our lives!
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It's like a scorched earth policy.
https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1791728587508215860
There is no successful part of Britain that these Kitsons won't smash if it helps them retain a few racist voters who might otherwise go to Farage.
So many racist accusations.
The Idiot is basically a Mcarthyite , Anybody with a different view to BST is a fascist, Racist, Bigot.
He needs to sputhis shite in a Few pubs in Parsons Cross, he will get to meet some real ones very quickly!
It's like a scorched earth policy.
https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1791728587508215860
There is no successful part of Britain that these Kitsons won't smash if it helps them retain a few racist voters who might otherwise go to Farage.
So many racist accusations.
The Idiot is basically a Mcarthyite , Anybody with a different view to BST is a fascist, Racist, Bigot.
He needs to sputhis shite in a Few pubs in Parsons Cross, he will get to meet some real ones very quickly!
Fascinating how the response of people on the far right to words is threats of violence.
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Fascinating how people who accuse others of being racist, stupid, petulant, selfish, thick, fascist etc, just because they have a different opinion, seem surprised when it incites violence.
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Fascinating how people who accuse others of being racist, stupid, petulant, selfish, thick, fascist etc, just because they have a different opinion, seem surprised when it incites violence.
This is a bit rich from yourself bb when we know that with a couple of whiskies in you the threats begin aye? to fellow vsc members
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Fascinating how people who accuse others of being racist, stupid, petulant, selfish, thick, fascist etc, just because they have a different opinion, seem surprised when it incites violence.
This is a bit rich from yourself bb when we know that with a couple of whiskies in you the threats begin aye? to fellow vsc members
You can either refute this with an abject apology or show evidence.
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Fascinating how people who accuse others of being racist, stupid, petulant, selfish, thick, fascist etc, just because they have a different opinion, seem surprised when it incites violence.
This is a bit rich from yourself bb when we know that with a couple of whiskies in you the threats begin aye? to fellow vsc members
You can either refute this with an abject apology or show evidence.
I had a look many moons ago and either yourself or the mods wiped it as they should have done, that you cannot remember it is no surprise you were not making a lot of sense and it was very late for you.
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You can't show evidence because there never was any. After all, I have NEVER threatened violence to anybody on or off this forum.
Now, you can refute this false accusation with an abject apology.
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Or what? you wouldn't want to be called a liar bb aye, I've called you out on this a few times and you haven't said boo so you're too late, suck it up. Best thing would be is for you to block me.
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I will block you when this matter is over, and it won't be over until you apologise.
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Or what? you wouldn't want to be called a liar bb aye, I've called you out on this a few times and you haven't said boo so you're too late, suck it up. Best thing would be is for you to block me.
Syd accused me of removing a post BB.
Even when I told him how to find he it he continued to say I had done so.
Eventually I showed him a screen shot of it, still on the forum of course.
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I will block you when this matter is over, and it won't be over until you apologise.
I see your little trooper has made a comment, likely in your favour bb, try searching 'bb' and 'whisky' you'll see references where you never batted an eyelid.
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Don’t pretend that you don’t read my posts Syd.
You know what you are.
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I will block you when this matter is over, and it won't be over until you apologise.
I see your little trooper has made a comment, likely in your favour bb, try searching 'bb' and 'whisky' you'll see references where you never batted an eyelid.
Put up or apologise.
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I hope you or anyone else did not take any offence by me relating an online incident that occurred some time ago and naming the perpetrator.
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You have accused me of threatening violence on this forum. That is defamation of character, and I would like an apology.
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You have accused me of threatening violence on this forum. That is defamation of character, and I would like an apology.
Sue me