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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Canadian Rover on September 09, 2023, 05:04:51 pm
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I know Gavin said the same last year ...but with this team and coaching staff I am not worried about the season ahead.
We will go on a winning run. Some real promising signs.
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Agree with that
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McCann isn’t stupid he will be working overtime every day to bring in the players needed to turn chances into goals !!
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McCann isn’t stupid he will be working overtime every day to bring in the players needed to turn chances into goals !!
You want more players? There’s only so many you can have in an EFL squad
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McCann isn’t stupid he will be working overtime every day to bring in the players needed to turn chances into goals !!
Well we will have a bit of a wait if that's the case given the transfer window has just shut.
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We played alright today, so I am not going to slate the performance. But there is a clear problem.
We look like a squad full of young, naive kids who have too many mistakes in them and take too many bad decisions. We're just 3-5% off the opposition every week in terms of decisions and being clinical.
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I admire your optimism but winning runs have been absent for years now. Even if you go on one, a losing run usually ensues. Staying up this season is our one and only goal at the moment.
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Next 4
Forest Green (A)
Gillingham (H)
Barrow (A)
Crawley (H)
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WEVE GOT MCCANN
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Largely decent performance today. We probably deserved a draw. Didn't think they were much cop tbh.
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I’m also not concerned, it’s coming.
We have also played 5 of the the current top 7 in the league.
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It’s so frustrating because the performances are largely there but we are getting absolutely nothing out of the games
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Largely decent performance today. We probably deserved a draw. Didn't think they were much cop tbh.
Performances are improving but Ironside is just not effective enough . Strikers need opportunities and he’s had a fair few and isn’t looking like taking them consistently. Faal is the same . I’m sure McCann solve the problem but it’s a mid table finish at best if he can’t finds someone who can convert soon !
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We're playing well but we just are not scoring enough goals. Goals change games and we just aren't getting them.
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Good patterns of play, which is more than we got last season admittedly, don't mean much if you don't create enough, don't score when you do create something, and give away at least one, usually 2 soft goals every game.
Very naive to think we can't go down with these issues still going unaddressed.
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Likewise.
Getting better each match.
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Largely decent performance today. We probably deserved a draw. Didn't think they were much cop tbh.
Performances are improving but Ironside is just not effective enough . Strikers need opportunities and he’s had a fair few and isn’t looking like taking them consistently. Faal is the same . I’m sure McCann solve the problem but it’s a mid table finish at best if he can’t finds someone who can convert soon !
What big chances did he miss? 2 opportunities for a final ball to him that if executed properly from Marsh and Molyneux mean you aren’t saying that.
The lack of goals is not Ironside’s fault
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The clubs been abysmally ran for years, not even mcann with a few quid can turn that around quickly.
The start to the season has been a disaster, but he needs time.
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Its not about being concerned. If you are concerned watching us over the past 4 games you are a bit silly but, as a supporter you are either the type who are happy to win a couple and lose a couple or you want to get out of this league. I don't know if anybody has noticed but, the money clubs are throwing at it now, it will just keep getting harder and we will get lost amongst it and be stuck here for quite some time.
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Look let nobody try and associate this team with the last two to three years - we look like we are finding a real groove. Todays loss is nothing to do with performance or players. Today is another day the finials have cost us, cancelled goal, indisputable second yellow for Lee, who went on to score their winner.
Seriously poor officiating.
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
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god, the wins are going to be so sweet this season.
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Generally we are more solid and structured but not enough creativity to be a threat. We’ve also moved away from Roberts and Sotana due to their inability to defend or track, which is right, but we then lose and penetration. A lot falls on shoulders of Faal who is expected in current set up to be both creator and finisher.
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Depends what you're not worried about.
Relegation? No, I'm not worried about that.
But it's pretty apparent already that the club isn't going to be anywhere near where it was hoping to be before the season kicked off. So am I worried about that, and another season written off early? Yes.
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I'm not worried about going down, because I think we've too good a squad for that to happen.
My worry is of a different concern. We look like a half decent mid-table League 2 team, and I'm concerned that we could be for a few years, which would be a disaster for attendances and ST sales.
How do we stop this? Is Terry going to put even more money in next season to get us the quality we so obviously need to become a promotion side? Is he even going to put any more money in?
At the moment, we're a team that just doesn't seem to know how to be successful.
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Still people think we can win the league.
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Ironside and Miller is a deadly and well-balanced strike duo at this level.
Miller’s movement allows more creative options.
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Well that's the second game I've seen Rovers the other was the Everton cup tie .
Rovers enjoyed some decent spells I thought in the game but you are crying out for a cutting edge and a bit of been there experience .
Wrexham have that and to be honest that was the difference , I take the point Fletcher and Mullin are on a bob or two but none the less if Rovers had brought those two on off the bench with the game tied up at 1-1 you'd probably have won the game .
Absolutely crying out for some know how and dare I say a couple who are masters of the dark arts .
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We don’t create enough chances. We need to let the handbrake off a bit. We look really concerned with keeping things tight but it’s slowing everything down in attack. All looks too slow in the final third.
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Firstly I just want to see a win. You can be not worried but still have concern that we have no wins yet after 7 games, the worst GD in the league and are rock bottom.
Yes it’s early days but this is not some tinpot league any more - every team is trying to get out of it and the bar to do so keeps getting higher and higher.
Every game I’ve seen we do seem to making incremental improvements but my worry is that is not going to be enough to have us challenging for a decent position.
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That’s changed from the first games. Sotana and Roberts get little time now. I assume he’s seen what a circus act the defensive options are so needs to protect them. As a result we are solid but slow and unimaginative. Our set pieces have improved and he uses these to generate opportunities. We are not quick enough without our wide players and these never play.
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
It tells u nothing
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
It tells u nothing
Given our rate of conceding goals, it tells you both had to go in to have a decent chance of picking up a point.
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
It tells u nothing
the current definition of "on target" is a total load of $hite just as the definition of " carbon neutral " etc is
the reporters have an orgasm every time they can say a team didn't have a shot on target
has the word "chances" as in "a team had chances" been invented yet ?
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We played alright today, so I am not going to slate the performance. But there is a clear problem.
We look like a squad full of young, naive kids who have too many mistakes in them and take too many bad decisions. We're just 3-5% off the opposition every week in terms of decisions and being clinical.
Even our bigger players seem to go over like daisies in a breeze in this league
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
Did you watch it? Or a case of bbc stats?
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
Did you watch it? Or a case of bbc stats?
i think we should rename the bbc stats "the BBC Doomsday Stats" they do what they say on the tin
the aim is to devalue a teams performance at a stroke.
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
It tells u nothing
Given our rate of conceding goals, it tells you both had to go in to have a decent chance of picking up a point.
Well we had a dubious goal disallowed, Anderson missed a sitter from 5 yards, faal decided to shoot instead of rolling it to molyneux for a tap in, we had a corner that bounced on the 6 yard line,
We created some good opportunities today, but by your reckoning if we’d had 3 or 4 shots from 40 yards on target that the keeper put his hat on it would’ve been a much better performance
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Did their keeper have to make a save?
Lawlor made several including two very good double saves.
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
It tells u nothing
Given our rate of conceding goals, it tells you both had to go in to have a decent chance of picking up a point.
Well we had a dubious goal disallowed, Anderson missed a sitter from 5 yards, faal decided to shoot instead of rolling it to molyneux for a tap in, we had a corner that bounced on the 6 yard line,
We created some good opportunities today, but by your reckoning if we’d had 3 or 4 shots from 40 yards on target that the keeper put his hat on it would’ve been a much better performance
Go on. I'll bite. What dubious goal did we have disallowed?
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The lad Olowu is a real conundrum isn't he ?
He actually did some decent things today , a couple of times he read the game very well and came across and dealt with the potential danger .
Then inexplicably he'll let the ball run under his feet , he clearly lacks concentration and there's a definite mistake in him just waiting to happen .
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
Did you watch it? Or a case of bbc stats?
i think we should rename the bbc stats "the BBC Doomsday Stats" they do what they say on the tin
the aim is to devalue a teams performance at a stroke.
It doesn't need the BBC to devalue our performances. You can't argue with stats. We have a squad with several players of good technical ability. However, collectively, we're a team of losers.
Why that is, no-one seems to know, or what can be done to change it.
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We had 0.72 xG to Wrexham’s 1.43 xG
But even then that doesn’t account for things like poor final balls.
We had more possession v league favourites away from home.
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That’s how the game ended. They had x2 our goals.
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
It tells u nothing
Given our rate of conceding goals, it tells you both had to go in to have a decent chance of picking up a point.
Well we had a dubious goal disallowed, Anderson missed a sitter from 5 yards, faal decided to shoot instead of rolling it to molyneux for a tap in, we had a corner that bounced on the 6 yard line,
We created some good opportunities today, but by your reckoning if we’d had 3 or 4 shots from 40 yards on target that the keeper put his hat on it would’ve been a much better performance
Go on. I'll bite. What dubious goal did we have disallowed?
There was only one disallowed goal
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Compare todays performance with ones from last season at paces like Salford, Stevenage, Carlisle etc and it’s night and day
We’re having a go at sides rather than just sitting back and hoping
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I'm not worried about going down, because I think we've too good a squad for that to happen.
My worry is of a different concern. We look like a half decent mid-table League 2 team, and I'm concerned that we could be for a few years, which would be a disaster for attendances and ST sales.
How do we stop this? Is Terry going to put even more money in next season to get us the quality we so obviously need to become a promotion side? Is he even going to put any more money in?
At the moment, we're a team that just doesn't seem to know how to be successful.
THATS what I'm worried about, did brammall chuck a few quid in because of fan pressure ? Did mcann buy that? I think the fans have.
What happens next summer or january when we need signings again ? Is this investment going to be sustained, or will he close his wallett again ?
Will mcann walk as a result ?
What's the plan going forward ?
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
Did you watch it? Or a case of bbc stats?
Yes I did watch it. Some people need to get a reality check. It's not "It will be alright on the night"
We have played 7 games scoring 5 goals and conceded 14
In those 7 games we have only scored ONE goal in the first 45 minutes. We cannot score and we can't defend.
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
Did you watch it? Or a case of bbc stats?
Yes I did watch it. Some people need to get a reality check. It's not "It will be alright on the night"
We have played 7 games scoring 5 goals and conceded 14
In those 7 games we have only scored ONE goal in the first 45 minutes. We cannot score and we can't defend.
We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
Did you watch it? Or a case of bbc stats?
Yes I did watch it. Some people need to get a reality check. It's not "It will be alright on the night"
We have played 7 games scoring 5 goals and conceded 14
In those 7 games we have only scored ONE goal in the first 45 minutes. We cannot score and we can't defend.
39 games to go.
No reason why we can’t do what Stockport did last season.
Bet they had a load of negative folk after 10 games last season and ended up in the playoffs
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After 7 games last season, Stockport had 3x the amount of points we have.
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After 10 games they had 8 points, we’ve still 3 games to get to that point.
And they got into the playoffs.
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The lad Olowu is a real conundrum isn't he ?
He actually did some decent things today , a couple of times he read the game very well and came across and dealt with the potential danger .
Then inexplicably he'll let the ball run under his feet , he clearly lacks concentration and there's a definite mistake in him just waiting to happen .
He’s definitely something beginning with c. Mistakes happen regularly.
Wood and Anderson must hate playing along side him. Olowu makes the entire defensive unit nervous. Wood or Anderson play much better as a sole ‘hefty’ centre half , where they take responsibility.
Oluwu is indecisive, switches off, gets anwfull out of position and flaps. Lawler gave him a right rollicking just prior to Wrexham’s first goal.
His heading ability is dreadful and can only win a header from a cross into our box when an opponent is more than 6 yards away.
Otherwise he stays planted on the floor watching the ball go in our net or will jump with the back of his head facing the ball.
Personally I breath a sigh of relief when he doesn’t start or gets subbed.
The word by the way is ‘crap’
The frustrating thing is we have a young defender who is brave, decisive, heart on sleeve attitude all of which Olowu isn’t, sat on the sidelines.
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
Did you watch it? Or a case of bbc stats?
i think we should rename the bbc stats "the BBC Doomsday Stats" they do what they say on the tin
the aim is to devalue a teams performance at a stroke.
The world we live in when people don't want to take facts as facts. Just accept we're not doing well.
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
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Tom was also poor today, any high ball and they were in, he couldn’t judge the flight of the ball at all.
Joe did well in the main, getting a foot in to stop breaks, but those mistakes that cost us, like the first goal keep coming. He is beginning to perform like RSW did for us, one minute a world beater, the next, well I will not say.
I would be seething if I was Mcann, I would be demanding an explanation of the rules, and why the referee/ Lino didn’t follow these rules.
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
It tells u nothing
Given our rate of conceding goals, it tells you both had to go in to have a decent chance of picking up a point.
Well we had a dubious goal disallowed, Anderson missed a sitter from 5 yards, faal decided to shoot instead of rolling it to molyneux for a tap in, we had a corner that bounced on the 6 yard line,
We created some good opportunities today, but by your reckoning if we’d had 3 or 4 shots from 40 yards on target that the keeper put his hat on it would’ve been a much better performance
Go on. I'll bite. What dubious goal did we have disallowed?
There was only one disallowed goal
We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
It tells u nothing
Given our rate of conceding goals, it tells you both had to go in to have a decent chance of picking up a point.
Well we had a dubious goal disallowed, Anderson missed a sitter from 5 yards, faal decided to shoot instead of rolling it to molyneux for a tap in, we had a corner that bounced on the 6 yard line,
We created some good opportunities today, but by your reckoning if we’d had 3 or 4 shots from 40 yards on target that the keeper put his hat on it would’ve been a much better performance
Go on. I'll bite. What dubious goal did we have disallowed?
There was only one disallowed goal
Rightly so he was offside and their defenders had seen the lino flag
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
It tells u nothing
Given our rate of conceding goals, it tells you both had to go in to have a decent chance of picking up a point.
Well we had a dubious goal disallowed, Anderson missed a sitter from 5 yards, faal decided to shoot instead of rolling it to molyneux for a tap in, we had a corner that bounced on the 6 yard line,
We created some good opportunities today, but by your reckoning if we’d had 3 or 4 shots from 40 yards on target that the keeper put his hat on it would’ve been a much better performance
Go on. I'll bite. What dubious goal did we have disallowed?
There was only one disallowed goal
And what was dubious about the decision?
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Was Ironside offside or not? I could see that Biggins was, Ironside during the play looked like he has a few Wrexham players in advance of him.
I have not seen the replay yet.
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Well I am worried and until we win a game I’ll continue to be worried.
We lack leadership in midfield which means we can’t control games and are always reacting to what the opposition do. Today’s antidote was to have Westbrooke act as quarterback to get the forwards going which I thought he did well. But he’s not the leader we need.
The irony is that if we had a L2 equivalent of a Roy Keane type then I think we could be quite good. Easier said than done I know.
In the meantime we’ll just keep conceding unless the opposition has a mare.
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Next week against forest Green is when we get the first win to kick start the season.
Another full week into them.
Come on Rovers!
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Was Ironside offside or not? I could see that Biggins was, Ironside during the play looked like he has a few Wrexham players in advance of him.
I have not seen the replay yet.
I have, and in slow motion, he was off side
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Was Ironside offside or not? I could see that Biggins was, Ironside during the play looked like he has a few Wrexham players in advance of him.
I have not seen the replay yet.
He wad the thick end of a yard offside. No debate.
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Still people think we can win the league.
Who exactly has said that? I haven’t seen any comment from anyone saying we can win the league.
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
It tells u nothing
Given our rate of conceding goals, it tells you both had to go in to have a decent chance of picking up a point.
Well we had a dubious goal disallowed, Anderson missed a sitter from 5 yards, faal decided to shoot instead of rolling it to molyneux for a tap in, we had a corner that bounced on the 6 yard line,
We created some good opportunities today, but by your reckoning if we’d had 3 or 4 shots from 40 yards on target that the keeper put his hat on it would’ve been a much better performance
Go on. I'll bite. What dubious goal did we have disallowed?
There was only one disallowed goal
And what was dubious about the decision?
The discussion whether he was off or not means it was dubious. Rovers fans were in line and the view was that Ironside was inside but the other two weren’t.
Mccann was also going mad
So yes it was dubious
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My question has gone, not sure what happened?
Is there any video showing the offside I can look at, I was certain it was a goal watching on the tv, just goes to show!
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It wasn't dubious. It was about a yard offside. The fact that a string of people got that wrong doesn't make it "dubious". It makes them wrong.
Using that as an example is even dafter than the one last week where a defender comfortably cut out a cross 4 yards in front of the intended target and you insisted it was inches from being a goal.
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We had 0.72 xG to Wrexham’s 1.43 xG
But even then that doesn’t account for things like poor final balls.
We had more possession v league favourites away from home.
What was Faals xG for the actual goal?
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
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It wasn't dubious. It was about a yard offside. The fact that a string of people got that wrong doesn't make it "dubious". It makes them wrong.
Using that as an example is even dafter than the one last week where a defender comfortably cut out a cross 4 yards in front of the intended target and you insisted it was inches from being a goal.
It looked dubious live at the game, I said it was dubious on the way home from the game.
If you were sat at home watching it on tv then fair enough.
Regarding last week it’s irrelevant if the defender comfortably cut it out it was a great chance and the final ball let us down similar to faals today.
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Dickos.
If you're insisting that an instance where a defender comfortably cuts out a cross with literally no Rovers player within 4 yards of him is a "great chance" then I think we are living in different logical universes.
It had the POTENTIAL to be a great chance. But saying "that had the potential to be a great chance had our players done better, therefore it's a great chance" is one reason why it's so difficult to talk about things sensibly with you.
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Dickos.
If you're insisting that an instance where a defender comfortably cuts out a cross with literally no Rovers player within 4 yards of him is a "great chance" then I think we are living in different logical universes.
It had the POTENTIAL to be a great chance. But saying "that had the potential to be a great chance had our players done better, therefore it's a great chance" is one reason why it's so difficult to talk about things sensibly with you.
What are you talking about billy, no rovers player within 4 yards?
The ball was going to molyneux to tap in,
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Molyneux was 4 yards away from the defender who comfortably intercepted the cross, albeit he ballsed up his clearance. It wasn't remotely a 1/8th of a half chance.
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We have a very different view of what a chance is, which is fine.
We have a very different view of most things
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I still predict a promotion party at Wembley this season!!
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My fear is that the season will be written off again at the beginning of March, with no realistic chance of going either up or down.
The excitement of that night at Charlton now seems a distant memory.
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3 pages of comments and it's easy enough to tell who was there or not!
It's League 2 - NOT fantasy football FFS
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
But the reality is we only got 1 from the 3 games you’ve mentioned. We’ve only got 1 point from a possible 21. I’d argue that comfortable makes us the worst performing side so far this season.
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There was a thread about this been the opposite of last season I.e. slow start. Reality is we will end up in the same position or there abouts but I stream of dropping like a stone we’ll get better.
Important thing now is we get our recruitment in order for next season. Obviously not one for McCann who needs to be trying to get playoffs but someone (Blunt really) needs to sort it out.
Been another year of some very average signings and this time the excuse isn’t lack of funds it’s squarely at choices made. Cops I’m afraid is learning on the job with that and can Terry really chuck extra money in until he gets it right
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My fear is that the season will be written off again at the beginning of March, with no realistic chance of going either up or down.
The excitement of that night at Charlton now seems a distant memory.
I can see why many Rovers fans are confident you'll soon start climbing the league because yesterday you more than matched Wrexham at times in the game .
The difference in psychology between the two teams was very striking , Wrexham have won an awful lot of football games over the last two seasons and Rovers haven't , Wrexham fully believed they could snatch the win whilst Rovers hoped they could .
Wrexham have probably been in the position they were in yesterday late in the game many times over the last two season's and got it done .
Rovers need to start doing that , you are pretty much learning from scratch with such a young team .
Knowing how to win games is a much understated skill .
How long this takes of course is the question .
I'd suggest that GM has enough ability and experience to find a way to get this young group picking up points .
If you were under an inexperienced manager in his first job I'd probably be very worried right now but that's not the case .
There's some good young talent at the club , it just needs lots of work on that training ground and a bit of know how on how to win games of football .
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
But the reality is we only got 1 from the 3 games you’ve mentioned. We’ve only got 1 point from a possible 21. I’d argue that comfortable makes us the worst performing side so far this season.
Completely Missing the point of the discussion though,
We were comparing with Stockport last season and gaz said their performances last season were better than the results showed.
We can also say this over the last 3 league and 1 cup game
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We look better than last season and we are staying in the game for longer, looking competitive.
This is a world away though from winning games.
We’ve played a total of 630 normal time league minutes this season and been ahead for a total of 26 minutes, all of which came in a single game, the Mansfield Town game. That’s 604 minutes when we have not been ahead.
We are getting better but we don’t create enough chances and of those few we create, we don’t finish them.
26 minutes ahead. 604 minutes not ahead.
That’s the story of this season. Winning is different from staying in a game.
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How many minutes have we been behind that would be a more balanced comparison
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255 minutes. 40pc of all league game time behind.
26 minutes or 4pc of all game time, in front.
353 minutes or 56pc of all game time, drawing.
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Obviously if you include the two cup games it would be closer.
But yes it’s an obvious stat as we’re currently bottom of the table, but plenty of time to improve
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We had TWO shots on target today. That tells you a lot.
Did you watch it? Or a case of bbc stats?
i think we should rename the bbc stats "the BBC Doomsday Stats" they do what they say on the tin
the aim is to devalue a teams performance at a stroke.
The world we live in when people don't want to take facts as facts. Just accept we're not doing well.
It's not that people don't accept we are doing well, we can see that there are major positives.
We need to collect points of course, GM will get there, after the last 2 / 3 seasons this is brilliant. Another week to work on them and a winnable game coming.
Positivity will get us all there, if we were constantly playing bad I'd also be in your camp, but we are not.
10 injuries for starters. They are all starting to come back.
In GM I trust its more a matter of when not if.
Keep positive, the club obviously see the support from the fans even when the chips are a little down. Negativity at this point in the BIG CHANGE will get us nowhere.
GM knows the reality, it's upto him and his team to change it, but most importantly for ALL of us to support.
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This was the 3rd game I’ve seen live on TV after the 2 cup matches and I thought that we looked the best we have so far. There was structure, plus a degree of mutual understanding even if work is still needed on execution. This time last year McSheffery’s team did not LOOK as good to me yet they were in the play-off spots.
Another factor was that Wrexham have probably changed their strategy. Sitting back and allowing us the freedom of our own half was surely not how they conceded all those goals in their opening matches. We restricted them to a goal plus a fortunate deflection and Swindon showed again yesterday that they can easily beat most defences, so these are encouragements.
As has been suggested, most of the teams we have played so far are hovering around the top end which is to some extent due to having gained points from us, but it cannot be entirely unrelated to their quality.
I was a bit surprised that GM was so critical, but he knows them better than we do.
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There was a thread about this been the opposite of last season I.e. slow start. Reality is we will end up in the same position or there abouts but I stream of dropping like a stone we’ll get better.
Important thing now is we get our recruitment in order for next season. Obviously not one for McCann who needs to be trying to get playoffs but someone (Blunt really) needs to sort it out.
Been another year of some very average signings and this time the excuse isn’t lack of funds it’s squarely at choices made. Cops I’m afraid is learning on the job with that and can Terry really chuck extra money in until he gets it right
Had to check the year on this post.
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
But the reality is we only got 1 from the 3 games you’ve mentioned. We’ve only got 1 point from a possible 21. I’d argue that comfortable makes us the worst performing side so far this season.
Completely Missing the point of the discussion though,
We were comparing with Stockport last season and gaz said their performances last season were better than the results showed.
We can also say this over the last 3 league and 1 cup game
But we've had worse xG than the opposition in the last 3? Haven't had better xG than another team since Harrogate, and it was February before that.
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Offside or not, we should have produced enough chances to make the idea academic. We are not creating enough.
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
But the reality is we only got 1 from the 3 games you’ve mentioned. We’ve only got 1 point from a possible 21. I’d argue that comfortable makes us the worst performing side so far this season.
Completely Missing the point of the discussion though,
We were comparing with Stockport last season and gaz said their performances last season were better than the results showed.
We can also say this over the last 3 league and 1 cup game
But we've had worse xG than the opposition in the last 3? Haven't had better xG than another team since Harrogate, and it was February before that.
The performances in the last 3 games have been a significant improvement on the ones prior and on anything we produced last season regardless of XG stats.
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
But the reality is we only got 1 from the 3 games you’ve mentioned. We’ve only got 1 point from a possible 21. I’d argue that comfortable makes us the worst performing side so far this season.
Completely Missing the point of the discussion though,
We were comparing with Stockport last season and gaz said their performances last season were better than the results showed.
We can also say this over the last 3 league and 1 cup game
But we've had worse xG than the opposition in the last 3? Haven't had better xG than another team since Harrogate, and it was February before that.
We had a better xG than MK dons in that game. 1.1 to their 0.75. A team up there and we were away from home.
Everton performance was superb.
Swindon stats not a fair reflection as had 10 men for more than half of the game. But kept a clean sheet against a prolific attack still. I think we’d have won with 11 men with how Ironside was playing.
Wrexham just had better players and was a fair result. But again a very tough game away from home on a dry pitch better suited for their direct play.
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We had 0.72 xG to Wrexham’s 1.43 xG
But even then that doesn’t account for things like poor final balls.
We had more possession v league favourites away from home.
What was Faals xG for the actual goal?
0.31. The clearest cut chance of the game statistically.
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
But the reality is we only got 1 from the 3 games you’ve mentioned. We’ve only got 1 point from a possible 21. I’d argue that comfortable makes us the worst performing side so far this season.
Completely Missing the point of the discussion though,
We were comparing with Stockport last season and gaz said their performances last season were better than the results showed.
We can also say this over the last 3 league and 1 cup game
But we've had worse xG than the opposition in the last 3? Haven't had better xG than another team since Harrogate, and it was February before that.
We had a better xG than MK dons in that game. 1.1 to their 0.75. A team up there and we were away from home.
Everton performance was superb.
Swindon stats not a fair reflection as had 10 men for more than half of the game. But kept a clean sheet against a prolific attack still. I think we’d have won with 11 men with how Ironside was playing.
Wrexham just had better players and was a fair result. But again a very tough game away from home on a dry pitch better suited for their direct play.
If we are going down the data route, the MK was pretty much even Steven on that front.
Wrexham were no more direct than us I don’t think. Our plan was to knock it around the defence for 10 passes then launch it forward. The dry pitch should have suited us as well then!
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
But the reality is we only got 1 from the 3 games you’ve mentioned. We’ve only got 1 point from a possible 21. I’d argue that comfortable makes us the worst performing side so far this season.
Completely Missing the point of the discussion though,
We were comparing with Stockport last season and gaz said their performances last season were better than the results showed.
We can also say this over the last 3 league and 1 cup game
But we've had worse xG than the opposition in the last 3? Haven't had better xG than another team since Harrogate, and it was February before that.
We had a better xG than MK dons in that game. 1.1 to their 0.75. A team up there and we were away from home.
Everton performance was superb.
Swindon stats not a fair reflection as had 10 men for more than half of the game. But kept a clean sheet against a prolific attack still. I think we’d have won with 11 men with how Ironside was playing.
Wrexham just had better players and was a fair result. But again a very tough game away from home on a dry pitch better suited for their direct play.
If we are going down the data route, the MK was pretty much even Steven on that front.
Wrexham were no more direct than us I don’t think. Our plan was to knock it around the defence for 10 passes then launch it forward. The dry pitch should have suited us as well then!
“Wrexham were no more direct than us”
Their main threat was launching it in to the box from Tozer’s ginormous throw in?
Is it an even game with MK if we had:
More possession
More xG
More shots
More shots on target
More shots in the box
More passes in opposition half
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
But the reality is we only got 1 from the 3 games you’ve mentioned. We’ve only got 1 point from a possible 21. I’d argue that comfortable makes us the worst performing side so far this season.
Completely Missing the point of the discussion though,
We were comparing with Stockport last season and gaz said their performances last season were better than the results showed.
We can also say this over the last 3 league and 1 cup game
But we've had worse xG than the opposition in the last 3? Haven't had better xG than another team since Harrogate, and it was February before that.
We had a better xG than MK dons in that game. 1.1 to their 0.75. A team up there and we were away from home.
Everton performance was superb.
Swindon stats not a fair reflection as had 10 men for more than half of the game. But kept a clean sheet against a prolific attack still. I think we’d have won with 11 men with how Ironside was playing.
Wrexham just had better players and was a fair result. But again a very tough game away from home on a dry pitch better suited for their direct play.
If we are going down the data route, the MK was pretty much even Steven on that front.
Wrexham were no more direct than us I don’t think. Our plan was to knock it around the defence for 10 passes then launch it forward. The dry pitch should have suited us as well then!
I really don’t agree they were no more direct than us. I’m not sure how anybody who watched that could come to that conclusion.
Even as the ref was about to blow the final whistle, everyone around me was screaming for us to get it in the box but we were pissing around with it. I don’t think Wrexham would have had that problem.
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
But the reality is we only got 1 from the 3 games you’ve mentioned. We’ve only got 1 point from a possible 21. I’d argue that comfortable makes us the worst performing side so far this season.
Completely Missing the point of the discussion though,
We were comparing with Stockport last season and gaz said their performances last season were better than the results showed.
We can also say this over the last 3 league and 1 cup game
But we've had worse xG than the opposition in the last 3? Haven't had better xG than another team since Harrogate, and it was February before that.
We had a better xG than MK dons in that game. 1.1 to their 0.75. A team up there and we were away from home.
Everton performance was superb.
Swindon stats not a fair reflection as had 10 men for more than half of the game. But kept a clean sheet against a prolific attack still. I think we’d have won with 11 men with how Ironside was playing.
Wrexham just had better players and was a fair result. But again a very tough game away from home on a dry pitch better suited for their direct play.
If we are going down the data route, the MK was pretty much even Steven on that front.
Wrexham were no more direct than us I don’t think. Our plan was to knock it around the defence for 10 passes then launch it forward. The dry pitch should have suited us as well then!
“Wrexham were no more direct than us”
Their main threat was launching it in to the box from Tozer’s ginormous throw in?
Is it an even game with MK if we had:
More possession
More xG
More shots
More shots on target
More shots in the box
More passes in opposition half
I guess Rovers were the better side that day then Gaz :thumbsup:
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
But the reality is we only got 1 from the 3 games you’ve mentioned. We’ve only got 1 point from a possible 21. I’d argue that comfortable makes us the worst performing side so far this season.
Completely Missing the point of the discussion though,
We were comparing with Stockport last season and gaz said their performances last season were better than the results showed.
We can also say this over the last 3 league and 1 cup game
But we've had worse xG than the opposition in the last 3? Haven't had better xG than another team since Harrogate, and it was February before that.
We had a better xG than MK dons in that game. 1.1 to their 0.75. A team up there and we were away from home.
Everton performance was superb.
Swindon stats not a fair reflection as had 10 men for more than half of the game. But kept a clean sheet against a prolific attack still. I think we’d have won with 11 men with how Ironside was playing.
Wrexham just had better players and was a fair result. But again a very tough game away from home on a dry pitch better suited for their direct play.
If we are going down the data route, the MK was pretty much even Steven on that front.
Wrexham were no more direct than us I don’t think. Our plan was to knock it around the defence for 10 passes then launch it forward. The dry pitch should have suited us as well then!
I really don’t agree they were no more direct than us. I’m not sure how anybody who watched that could come to that conclusion.
Even as the ref was about to blow the final whistle, everyone around me was screaming for us to get it in the box but we were pissing around with it. I don’t think Wrexham would have had that problem.
We played a lot of pointless, unthreatening passes around at the back but our only teal method of getting into the final third was the long ball.
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Impossible to compare with the Stockport. Their underlying numbers were saying they were one of the best teams in L2 from very early in the season. Ours are saying we are rubbish at this same point. Stockports results improved to align with performances. Our results are a reflection of the performances, albeit we deserve more than 2 points. We have been the worst team in the league over the first 7 games.
There is no way in the games v MK dons, Swindon and today that we are performing as the worst side in the league.
All 3 games produced performances that could have easily brought us 3 wins, were showing now that we are a good side.
The goals against us today were very unlucky, I think there’s every chance we can go on a run over the next few weeks
But the reality is we only got 1 from the 3 games you’ve mentioned. We’ve only got 1 point from a possible 21. I’d argue that comfortable makes us the worst performing side so far this season.
Completely Missing the point of the discussion though,
We were comparing with Stockport last season and gaz said their performances last season were better than the results showed.
We can also say this over the last 3 league and 1 cup game
But we've had worse xG than the opposition in the last 3? Haven't had better xG than another team since Harrogate, and it was February before that.
We had a better xG than MK dons in that game. 1.1 to their 0.75. A team up there and we were away from home.
Everton performance was superb.
Swindon stats not a fair reflection as had 10 men for more than half of the game. But kept a clean sheet against a prolific attack still. I think we’d have won with 11 men with how Ironside was playing.
Wrexham just had better players and was a fair result. But again a very tough game away from home on a dry pitch better suited for their direct play.
If we are going down the data route, the MK was pretty much even Steven on that front.
Wrexham were no more direct than us I don’t think. Our plan was to knock it around the defence for 10 passes then launch it forward. The dry pitch should have suited us as well then!
“Wrexham were no more direct than us”
Their main threat was launching it in to the box from Tozer’s ginormous throw in?
Is it an even game with MK if we had:
More possession
More xG
More shots
More shots on target
More shots in the box
More passes in opposition half
MK are literally playing a counter attacking style so they let teams have the ball to try and spring on them. Any possession based stat is meaningless. Shot xG is fairly meaningless in quantifying the general performance of a team on the day.
I work with models that are even better than what a bookmaker would use. They take into account every action that takes place on the pitch, gives it a value and works out team performance strength at the end of the game. If you want to use data to prove a point, 0.97 v 0.95 was the result on the best piece of modelled data available. That’s pretty even to me.
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Fair enough, thanks for that
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Shocking start to the season, I’m sure we all expected more, or we’re those expectations a little optimistic?
No moaning from fans YET, Still got my trust in GM to turn things around but we need to turn that corner very soon.
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I still predict a promotion party at Wembley this season!!