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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: The Red Baron on October 31, 2023, 12:55:36 pm
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I had my Covid Jab yesterday and today I feel dreadful. I have no energy and I am veering from being boiling hot to shivery and cold.
The people doing the vaccination did say that I might feel unwell, but none of the previous jabs I have had for Covid (or flu) have given me any more than a sore arm for a couple of days.
I think unless you are particularly vulnerable then maybe you should think about giving it a swerve.
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I had exactly the same symptoms the day after my first jab. Next day I was right as rain.
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My wife and myself had our booster jabs about three weeks ago. My wife was “a bit off it” for a couple of days but I was fine.
Get the jab folks, it makes sense, covid is still out there.
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I think it’s different for everyone isnt it. Ive had three C19 jabs to date. First one made me feel absolutely awful for about a week. Second did nothing to me at all .. not an ache or a chill in sight. Third left me with an aching arm for a couple of days but nothing other than that.
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I had my 5th jab begining of October, since then I’ve had numerous blood tests because the tests were abnormal, my blood pressure is high so now on medication, had a chest xray, and numerous urine samples taken, they still don’t know what the problem is. Before then I was rarely at the Doctors
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I think you all know by now that I haven't had any jabs, been a little bit ill twice in two years with something a bit different to a cold.
Shook it off within two days.
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I was due my 5th Covid jab about a month ago but felt a bit off it so I postponed it. Later that afternoon I felt bloody awful, and if I'd gone ahead with the jab I'd have obviously blamed the jab for making me worse.
I finally had the Covid jab a couple of weeks ago, followed by the flu jab, and have had no adverse reaction.
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The latest one took my mum down quite badly too. And she'd just got over Covid!
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I got the first 2 and I regret it.
I'll not be having another, I'll just look after myself and take vitamin supplements and have regular exercise.
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I think you all know by now that I haven't had any jabs, been a little bit ill twice in two years with something a bit different to a cold.
Shook it off within two days.
Purely out of interest Nudga which age group are you in?
I've had all the jabs and caught Covid twice. I have asthma and hope that the symptoms, by no means serious, I experienced was due to the protection given by the jab. I am in my 70's.
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I had both Covid and Flu jabs last Friday, one in each arm. Both arms ached and then Saturday I felt off it all day then right as rain Sunday, no idea which one caused it. I've had all previous Covid jabs and Flu with them the last twice without feeling any after effects.
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I think you all know by now that I haven't had any jabs, been a little bit ill twice in two years with something a bit different to a cold.
Shook it off within two days.
Purely out of interest Nudga which age group are you in?
I've had all the jabs and caught Covid twice. I have asthma and hope that the symptoms, by no means serious, I experienced was due to the protection given by the jab. I am in my 70's.
I'm 47 (today as it happens, hbd to me haha)
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I got the first 2 and I regret it.
I'll not be having another, I'll just look after myself and take vitamin supplements and have regular exercise.
You are not the first person I've spoken to who's said the same.
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I got the first 2 and I regret it.
I'll not be having another, I'll just look after myself and take vitamin supplements and have regular exercise.
If only it worked like that.
16 years ago I was 41. I was fit and healthy. Running 5-10k regularly. Gym sessions three times a week. Eating very healthily. Lots of fruit, lots of Mediterranean salads.
Then I caught a f**king shite of a dose of flu. Knocked me flat for over a week. Had me coughing blood. Took months to get over it and in some ways I never have been as fit and healthy since. That's what a bad dose can do to someone who thinks they are looking after themselves.
Because there's no amount of "looking after yourself" that can protect you from that if you get the shitty end of the stick. That's why I'll take any vaccine on offer. Because is an odds game and that tips the odds in your favour.
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I'm not looking for a fight or argument here, genuinely interested.
I wonder if I'm the only one on this forum who didn't get vaccinated?
There's eight of us in my friendship group who didn't and not one of us got really ill.
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7 jabs for me, I'm addicted.
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I've had 3 in the last week.
Covid
Flu
Shingles.
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I've had 3 in the last week.
Covid
Flu
Shingles.
Is the shingles one because one of the known side effects ofthe covid jab is shingles?
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which shingle jab did you have Nudga?
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which shingle jab did you have Nudga?
I haven't had any jabs, not even a single one haha
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I'm not looking for a fight or argument here, genuinely interested.
I wonder if I'm the only one on this forum who didn't get vaccinated?
There's eight of us in my friendship group who didn't and not one of us got really ill.
Nudga.
Also not looking for a fight. But with respect, you're not looking at this in the right context.
Most people of your age didn't get badly ill. Very roughly, about 1 in 500 people in their late 40s caught COVID and died from it.
I don't know the figures for what the hospitalisation rate was, but say 1 in 100 got a very bad dose and were hospitalised. In that case, if you have a random group of 8, it's about 6/4 on that none of them would get a bad dose.
Doesn't change the fact that 1 in 500 cop a fatal dose though.
So the question is, would you choose to play Russian Roulette with a 500 chamber gun and 1 bullet, if you could avoid it?
I'm f**king certain I wouldn't.
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I'm not looking for a fight or argument here, genuinely interested.
I wonder if I'm the only one on this forum who didn't get vaccinated?
There's eight of us in my friendship group who didn't and not one of us got really ill.
Nudga.
Also not looking for a fight. But with respect, you're not looking at this in the right context.
Most people of your age didn't get badly ill. Very roughly, about 1 in 500 people in their late 40s caught COVID and died from it.
I don't know the figures for what the hospitalisation rate was, but say 1 in 100 got a very bad dose and were hospitalised. In that case, if you have a random group of 8, it's about 6/4 on that none of them would get a bad dose.
Doesn't change the fact that 1 in 500 cop a fatal dose though.
So the question is, would you choose to play Russian Roulette with a 500 chamber gun and 1 bullet, if you could avoid it?
I'm f**king certain I wouldn't.
BST, with respect you didn't believe me at the time of the roll out of the jabs that I was hearing some real horror stories of customers and people I know who had some serious problems after their jabs. A leg amputation from a blood clot plus another three with blood clots, pericarditis, strokes to name a few. That to me was Russian roulette.
I took my chances with covid and I don't for one minute regret going against the grain, losing friends and family members not talking to me in the process.
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Had my last booster a couple of weeks ago 4 I think only ever had any side affect from one of them. Mind you I had my flu jab today so that'll bugger me up :)
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I'm not looking for a fight or argument here, genuinely interested.
I wonder if I'm the only one on this forum who didn't get vaccinated?
There's eight of us in my friendship group who didn't and not one of us got really ill.
Nudga.
Also not looking for a fight. But with respect, you're not looking at this in the right context.
Most people of your age didn't get badly ill. Very roughly, about 1 in 500 people in their late 40s caught COVID and died from it.
I don't know the figures for what the hospitalisation rate was, but say 1 in 100 got a very bad dose and were hospitalised. In that case, if you have a random group of 8, it's about 6/4 on that none of them would get a bad dose.
Doesn't change the fact that 1 in 500 cop a fatal dose though.
So the question is, would you choose to play Russian Roulette with a 500 chamber gun and 1 bullet, if you could avoid it?
I'm f**king certain I wouldn't.
BST, with respect you didn't believe me at the time of the roll out of the jabs that I was hearing some real horror stories of customers and people I know who had some serious problems after their jabs. A leg amputation from a blood clot plus another three with blood clots, pericarditis, strokes to name a few. That to me was Russian roulette.
I took my chances with covid and I don't for one minute regret going against the grain, losing friends and family members not talking to me in the process.
Crazy that you know of so many people who had issues with the jab yet collectively no one else can think of a single person who had complications. You must be a bad luck charm for your friends.
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I'm not looking for a fight or argument here, genuinely interested.
I wonder if I'm the only one on this forum who didn't get vaccinated?
There's eight of us in my friendship group who didn't and not one of us got really ill.
Nudga.
Also not looking for a fight. But with respect, you're not looking at this in the right context.
Most people of your age didn't get badly ill. Very roughly, about 1 in 500 people in their late 40s caught COVID and died from it.
I don't know the figures for what the hospitalisation rate was, but say 1 in 100 got a very bad dose and were hospitalised. In that case, if you have a random group of 8, it's about 6/4 on that none of them would get a bad dose.
Doesn't change the fact that 1 in 500 cop a fatal dose though.
So the question is, would you choose to play Russian Roulette with a 500 chamber gun and 1 bullet, if you could avoid it?
I'm f**king certain I wouldn't.
BST, with respect you didn't believe me at the time of the roll out of the jabs that I was hearing some real horror stories of customers and people I know who had some serious problems after their jabs. A leg amputation from a blood clot plus another three with blood clots, pericarditis, strokes to name a few. That to me was Russian roulette.
I took my chances with covid and I don't for one minute regret going against the grain, losing friends and family members not talking to me in the process.
Crazy that you know of so many people who had issues with the jab yet collectively no one else can think of a single person who had complications.
Maybe some people refuse to connect the dots?
Maybe you don't see and talk to as many people as I do?
Or, as some have suggested, I am just making it all up?
BTW, my wife had 3 jabs, she was poorly all three times but nothing serious.
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I’ve had my Covid jabs and have had C19 twice. The first time that I had it (before my first jab) was a bloody nightmare. I felt absolutely terrible for around 3 weeks to the point where I had serious doubts that I would ever get better! The second bout that I had was much milder; felt quite rough for 2-3 days and by the 4th day it was like I’d not had it. Strange. I’ve 2 friends who’ve not had the jabs but have both had the virus. Friend 1 was incredibly poorly with it and spent some time in hospital. He’s never really got over it and still has trouble with his chest. Friend 2 had very mild symptoms and was over it in a day or two. Intriguingly he puts this down to eating a roasted garlic clove every day! I’m not sure whether this has any real effect but he swears by it!!
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I had the first two jabs when offered. I did so purely because at that time if I hadn't, certain civil liberties would have been withdrawn. I wanted to attend certain events, eat out if I wanted to and mainly, I wanted to be able to travel on an aeroplane.
Would I have had the jab were it not for being forced into a positon whereby I had to balance my unease at the way we were being coerced, against my desire to go to a sporting event or on holiday? Nope. No chance. And I still resent the fact I was effectively forced to make that choice if I wanted to live my life the way I wanted to live it. I'm uncomfortable with that and remain concerned about how society (myself included) was so easily pushed in a certain direction.
There was one thing we did draw the line at though. There was no way our then 3 year old daughter was having it. They could have locked us out of society forever if they wanted, but there was no way we would have gone down that road even if it meant no holidays again ever! Had they made it mandatory for children, we'd have stayed in our house forever.
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May I just add that another querk I found was that the self employed people I know didn't get ill, and most of those self employed people didn't get the vaccine.
A lot of employed people I know we're forever going off sick with covid and were jabbed up to the eye balls.
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When I was a kid I had a polio, a smallpox, tetanus several times, diphtheria, TB etc. I had a jab for yellow fever in my early 20s for travel. In later life I've had jabs for pneumonia, flue and as previously said 7 covid jabs and in Nov I will be getting a jab for shingles. I've had a sore arm a couple of times and my first covid jab gave me fever symptoms for a couple of days.
Hands up if you didn't have a polio jab.
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When I was a kid I had a polio, a smallpox, tetanus several times, diphtheria, TB etc. I had a jab for yellow fever in my early 20s for travel. In later life I've had jabs for pneumonia, flue and as previously said 7 covid jabs and in Nov I will be getting a jab for shingles. I've had a sore arm a couple of times and my first covid jab gave me fever symptoms for a couple of days.
Hands up if you didn't have a polio jab.
Thats a fair point. Ive had most of those jabs with no issue as you say.
But I didn't have any of those jabs under the threat of not being able to take part in certain aspects of every day life if I didn't. That's why I find the C19 jab debate a little more troubling.
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All the jabs past my school years have been optional, yellow fever jab was for entry to certain countries I forget which.
The UK is similar to Oz with these
DTP & Meningitis ACWY. Diphtheria, Tetanus and Polio teenage booster vaccine. ...
Infant BCG. Protection (up to 80%) against severe forms of childhood TB, such as TB meningitis. ...
HPV. The HPV (human papilloma virus) vaccination protects against cervical cancer.
My cousin died in the fifties from gangrene. The HPV jab has almost entirely wiped out cervical cancer in the past 10 years.
added, I've had the hep A&B jab too.
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I had the first two jabs when offered. I did so purely because at that time if I hadn't, certain civil liberties would have been withdrawn. I wanted to attend certain events, eat out if I wanted to and mainly, I wanted to be able to travel on an aeroplane.
Would I have had the jab were it not for being forced into a positon whereby I had to balance my unease at the way we were being coerced, against my desire to go to a sporting event or on holiday? Nope. No chance. And I still resent the fact I was effectively forced to make that choice if I wanted to live my life the way I wanted to live it. I'm uncomfortable with that and remain concerned about how society (myself included) was so easily pushed in a certain direction.
There was one thing we did draw the line at though. There was no way our then 3 year old daughter was having it. They could have locked us out of society forever if they wanted, but there was no way we would have gone down that road even if it meant no holidays again ever! Had they made it mandatory for children, we'd have stayed in our house forever.
TC, I remember all that which you have written about above.
People were getting stick if they were leaning towards not having the jabs and even on this forum I can recall one or two posters being slated for suggesting they were not going to have it.
It got quite aggressive.
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The effects of catching something like polio would have prevented you taking part in mamy aspects of every day life. I was talking to my 8 year old grandaughter a few days ago, she had just had her flu "jab" inhalation up her nose and I was telling her about having my polio vaccine on a sugar cube she was amazed. Even at 8 years old she was asking about what effects the various diseases back then in the olden days, had on people.
Both she and her 5 year old brother brought Covid home with them presumably from school which we all caught. Her Dad surprisingly didn't and hasn't caught it which is a bonus as he was diagnosed with lung cancer last year and was the one at greatest risk. Treatment has gone well though, thankfully
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Feeling a lot better today so the effects clearly last for about 24 hours.
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Feeling a lot better today so the effects clearly last for about 24 hours.
Good to hear. Onwards and upwards.
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I'm going to try to explain gently and without rancour why I was so angry at the time at those who took pride in not having the virus. Time's moved on. I haven't changed my opinion one inch but the heat of the moment is no longer there.
Part of the intensity of the disagreement was because it goes right to the core of what our role is in society. I passionately believe that before you earn the right to do anything, you have a responsibility to act in a way that does as little unnecessary harm to others as you can. Some on the more libertarian side of things have a different take that rights come first and your only responsibility is that you don't do anything ACTIVELY which hurts others.
The difference seems minor but on the vaccine issue it was a huge chasm.
My argument for why I think vaccine-refusers were wrong rests on two points.
First is the mechanics one. The vaccine didn't stop transmission but it greatly reduced it. By preventing some people catching COVID at all, and greatly reducing the severity of the symptoms in others. So, on average, those who didn't take the vaccine were more infectious than those who did. They (not deliberately) aided the severity of any outbreak. Unwittingly, their decision did harm to others.
Secondly, there's a more subtle but I think more important point. Many of those who stridently refused the vaccine had the opinion that it was their right to run their own risk. They justify that by outcomes where they caught a dose and it wasn't a bad one.
That would be a fine argument, and I'd entirely agree with it IF they were the only people in society.
But they aren't. They are part of a society made up of millions. And in this case, the key was not what happened to any individual, but what happened to society overall.
As best I can see, roughly 1 in 100 UK citizens between the ages of 40-60 ended up in hospital after catching COVID. So yeah, each individual looking at that and saying they are happy to take the risk is has a case (not one I agree with, but I do accept that others would have a different attitude.) The case is that I've got a 99% chance of being fine.
But it's not about the individual. There are 15,000,000 people between 40 and 60 in the UK. If half of them caught COVID, and 1% of those ended up in hospital, that's 75,000 people. [1]
But the entire NHS only has about 70,000 beds.
That's the point. It's not about any individual making the choice to not have the vaccine, and being fine. It's the fact that if EVERYONE did that, the NHS collapses. So if someone had a heart attack during a COVID outbreak, like my mother did, if the hospitals had been full of the small fraction of vaccine-refusers who coped a bad dose, they'd have been left to die at home.
That's the issue. The decision not to have a vaccine wasn't one that only affected the person concerned. It could have had massive society-wide effects if everyone had (forgive the perjorative word, but I can't think of a better one) selfishly chosen only to consider themselves.
[1] I think one of the key things that made me so angry at the time was that vaccine-refusers I spoke to at the time were implacably against engaging with those numbers. They used (and still use) the justification "none of my mates took the vaccine and none of them ended up in hospital" as if that clinches the whole argument. But of course it doesn't. If only 1% of half of people cop a bad one, chances are you don't know many, if any of them personally. But they still exist.
And there's a LOT of people out there. And a surprisingly small amount of NHS capacity. Because the NHS is based on the idea that only a very, very tiny proportion of people get ill at any one time.
But in a world where many refused the vaccine, a small, but not very, very tiny proportion of them would have got very ill at the same time. And that would have collapsed the NHS. And done untold damage to other people.
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I wonder how many didn't know they had Covid if symptoms were not severe? I didn't know until I was encouraged to test as my syptoms were so minor.
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True RR, I tested before disembarking the ferry to meet French friends, I tested positive, I had absolutely no symptoms and was fine. Lack of individual testing was obviously a problem for people with little or no symptoms as they continued as usual.
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Imagine another disease with effects similar or worse than polio and as rampant as covid, you'd get killed in the rush for a vaccine.