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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Dutch Uncle on November 15, 2023, 08:36:47 pm
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It may have gone unnoticed yesterday but Joe Ironside became only the 9th player to score in three national knockout cups for Rovers in the same season. The other eight are:
1994-95: Graeme Jones (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)
1995-96: Colin Cramb (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)
2006-07: Brian Stock (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)
2007-08: Mark McCammon (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 2 AMC)
2012-13: Chris Brown (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)
2016-17: Liam Mandeville (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)
2018-19: Alfie May (4 FAC, 1 FLC, 4 AMC)
2020-21: Fejiri Okenabirhie (1 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 AMC)
In addition two more players scored in three in knockout events if we include playoffs. They are:
2007-08: James Hayter (2 FAC, 1 FLC, 1 P/O)
2018-19: John Marquis (3 FAC, 1 AMC , 1 P/O)
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Great stats Dutch and some good names on that list sir.
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On that measure, Dutch, it puts Alfie May well clear of all those other great names. I wonder what his detractors think.
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Brilliant stats as always Dutch !
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I'm surprised Ironside doesn't get more attention on here, he's an amazing player, good goal return, quietly gone about his business, holding the line. Good to see his impact on the stats.
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On that measure, Dutch, it puts Alfie May well clear of all those other great names. I wonder what his detractors think.
4 were against Chorley.
Yes you can only play against what’s in front of you. But Chorley were easy pickings that night.
We cut through their defence at will.
Alfie did the business so credit to him but I for one never in a million years thought he would turn into a prolific league 1 goalscorer.
Those that did, saw more than Grant McCann & Darren Moore both did and they are the professionals.
Personally I think the Alfie May multiple threads are now getting very boring.
He is long gone at Rovers. It’s no good constantly looking back. He is a player who may never have flourished at Rovers . We will never know. Some players need to move to a new club that has a Manager who is going give regular 1st team football. That happened at Cheltenham Town under Damien Duff. The rest is history.
But that’s what Alfie is for Rovers, history. We need to move on.
Our strikers are now Ironside, Faal, Miller
( when fit again ) & Goodman.
The current partnership of Ironside and Faal is looking really good.
Alfie has gone likely never to return so can’t we just leave it at that.
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On that measure, Dutch, it puts Alfie May well clear of all those other great names. I wonder what his detractors think.
4 were against Chorley.
Yes you can only play against what’s in front of you. But Chorley were easy pickings that night.
We cut through their defence at will.
Alfie did the business so credit to him but I for never in a million years thought he would tur into a prolific league 1 goalscorer.
Those that did, saw more than Grant McCann & Darren Moore both did and they are the professionals.
Personally I think the Alfie May multiple threads are now getting very boring.
He is long gone at Rovers. It’s no good constantly looking back. He is a player who may never have flourished at Rovers . We will never know. Some players need to move to a new club that has a Manager who is going give regular 1st team football. That happened at Cheltenham Town under Damien Duff.
The rest is history.
But that’s what Alfie is for Rovers, history. We need to move on.
Our strikers are now Ironside, Faal, Miller
( when fit again ) & Goodman.
The current partnership of Ironside and Faal is looking really good.
Alfie has gone likely never to return so can’t we just leave it at that.
..... And Marquis missed a penalty!
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On that measure, Dutch, it puts Alfie May well clear of all those other great names. I wonder what his detractors think.
4 were against Chorley.
Yes you can only play against what’s in front of you. But Chorley were easy pickings that night.
We cut through their defence at will.
Alfie did the business so credit to him but I for never in a million years thought he would tur into a prolific league 1 goalscorer.
Those that did, saw more than Grant McCann & Darren Moore both did and they are the professionals.
Personally I think the Alfie May multiple threads are now getting very boring.
He is long gone at Rovers. It’s no good constantly looking back. He is a player who may never have flourished at Rovers . We will never know. Some players need to move to a new club that has a Manager who is going give regular 1st team football. That happened at Cheltenham Town under Damien Duff.
The rest is history.
But that’s what Alfie is for Rovers, history. We need to move on.
Our strikers are now Ironside, Faal, Miller
( when fit again ) & Goodman.
The current partnership of Ironside and Faal is looking really good.
Alfie has gone likely never to return so can’t we just leave it at that.
..... And Marquis missed a penalty!
And your point is BB?
I don’t get what Marquis has to do with my post.
The fact is Marquis scored 60 odd goals in 3 seasons. How many players have done that ever.
Not very many.
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My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!
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My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!
But that happens in football.
Credit to Alfie. He could not do much more than get 4 goals. You can only play against what is in front of you.
The fact is most of Alfie’s goals were in the Cup competitions against clubs in a lower league.
Yes he didn’t play in an awful lot of league games of course but when he did he very rarely looked like scoring goals.
He was very busy. Full of energy, always gave 100% but looked short of being a goal scorer in League 1
If you and a few others saw him in a different light then credit to you for your foresight but the fact is the vast majority of Rovers fans were not surprised when he was allowed to leave.
Let’s leave it at that BB :)
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My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!
Marquis couldn't score against a lot of teams from the spot. He was an awful penalty taker.
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My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!
Marquis couldn't score against a lot of teams from the spot. He was an awful penalty taker.
His total penalty record isn’t great - scored 10 and missed 6, a career conversion rate of 62pc.
However, it was disproportionately bad for us. In his time with us he scored 3 but missed 4, a Rovers’ conversion rate of 42pc.
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My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!
But that happens in football.
Credit to Alfie. He could not do much more than get 4 goals. You can only play against what is in front of you.
The fact is most of Alfie’s goals were in the Cup competitions against clubs in a lower league.
Yes he didn’t play in an awful lot of league games of course but when he did he very rarely looked like scoring goals.
He was very busy. Full of energy, always gave 100% but looked short of being a goal scorer in League 1
If you and a few others saw him in a different light then credit to you for your foresight but the fact is the vast majority of Rovers fans were not surprised when he was allowed to leave.
Let’s leave it at that BB :)
CR, I honestly wish other people would leave it at that, but it's obvious they wont!
I get irritated when people say things like 'May only scored 4 against shitty old Chorley', but how many people said similar when George Best scored 6 against shitty old Northampton in the same competition all those years ago? People still gorge on Best's brilliance in that game to this day.
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My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!
Marquis couldn't score against a lot of teams from the spot. He was an awful penalty taker.
His total penalty record isn’t great - scored 10 and missed 6, a career conversion rate of 62pc.
However, it was disproportionately bad for us. In his time with us he scored 3 but missed 4, a Rovers’ conversion rate of 42pc.
Went down a bit of a rabbit hole with this, but these are the notable penalty takers and their success in recent years. It would be great if anyone like DU or John has a more conclusive list!
McIndoe 13/16
Heffernan 7/8
Whiteman 7/8
Sharp 7/8
Brown 5/5
Ironside 3/3
Coppinger 3/4
And a certain Grant McCann during his career scored 32 of 37 penalties attempted!
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Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!
To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.
McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.
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Those stats for Rovers pen takers are very good.
I read somewhere a while ago that on average one out of every four pens are not scored.
If you take the McIndoe numbers, had he missed just one more he too would have scored three out of every four he took for us.
Same with Heffs, Ben and Billy.
Copps was three out of four scored.
McCanns record is superb.
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My point CR, albeit intended as a tongue-in-cheek and light-hearted comment, is that you suggest May only scored 4 goals because it was against a poor Chorley side, whose defence we cut through like butter, but Marquis couldn't even score against them from the spot!
Marquis couldn't score against a lot of teams from the spot. He was an awful penalty taker.
His total penalty record isn’t great - scored 10 and missed 6, a career conversion rate of 62pc.
However, it was disproportionately bad for us. In his time with us he scored 3 but missed 4, a Rovers’ conversion rate of 42pc.
Went down a bit of a rabbit hole with this, but these are the notable penalty takers and their success in recent years. It would be great if anyone like DU or John has a more conclusive list!
McIndoe 13/16
Heffernan 7/8
Whiteman 7/8
Sharp 7/8
Brown 5/5
Ironside 3/3
Coppinger 3/4
And a certain Grant McCann during his career scored 32 of 37 penalties attempted!
Brian Stock was very good as well.
Just found the stats and he took 7 penalties in his pro career, and scored all 7.
Surprisingly, he didn't take any penalties for any of the other clubs he played for, so all 7 of those penalties were for DRFC, and all were successful.
Nathan Tyson also had a decent penalty record for us, with 8 out of 9 scored. If you count penalty shootouts, 9 out of 10.
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On that measure, Dutch, it puts Alfie May well clear of all those other great names. I wonder what his detractors think.
4 were against Chorley.
Yes you can only play against what’s in front of you. But Chorley were easy pickings that night.
We cut through their defence at will.
Alfie did the business so credit to him but I for one never in a million years thought he would turn into a prolific league 1 goalscorer.
Those that did, saw more than Grant McCann & Darren Moore both did and they are the professionals.
Personally I think the Alfie May multiple threads are now getting very boring.
He is long gone at Rovers. It’s no good constantly looking back. He is a player who may never have flourished at Rovers . We will never know. Some players need to move to a new club that has a Manager who is going give regular 1st team football. That happened at Cheltenham Town under Damien Duff. The rest is history.
But that’s what Alfie is for Rovers, history. We need to move on.
Our strikers are now Ironside, Faal, Miller
( when fit again ) & Goodman.
The current partnership of Ironside and Faal is looking really good.
Alfie has gone likely never to return so can’t we just leave it at that.
Campsall, Dutch Uncle put up an array of stats which included AM whose numbers stood out a mile in terms of comparable statistics, all were there to be commented upon. Are you suggesting that not of the other outstanding candidates in that list had the good fortune to play against non-league opponents?
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Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!
To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.
McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.
Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.
There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.
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Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!
To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.
McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.
Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.
There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.
I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube :scarf:
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Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!
To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.
McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.
Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.
There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.
I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube :scarf:
Did you notice who the keeper was that made that dreadful mistake leading to Alfie's goal?
None other than the current keeper at Arsenal, David Raya.
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Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!
To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.
McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.
Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.
There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.
I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube :scarf:
Did you notice who the keeper was that made that dreadful mistake leading to Alfie's goal?
None other than the current keeper at Arsenal, David Raya.
Wow, I hadn't. A couple of defensive howlers from them but from the highlights looked like we always had them on the ropes. Looking forward to Grant getting us back up to those levels again.
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Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!
To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.
McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.
Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.
There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.
I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube :scarf:
Did you notice who the keeper was that made that dreadful mistake leading to Alfie's goal?
None other than the current keeper at Arsenal, David Raya.
Wow, I hadn't. A couple of defensive howlers from them but from the highlights looked like we always had them on the ropes. Looking forward to Grant getting us back up to those levels again.
And in the same season, the keeper at Wimbledon that got Marquis sent off by linking his arm with JMs was Ramsdale - now Raya's rival
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Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!
To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.
McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.
Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.
There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.
I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube :scarf:
Did you notice who the keeper was that made that dreadful mistake leading to Alfie's goal?
None other than the current keeper at Arsenal, David Raya.
Wow, I hadn't. A couple of defensive howlers from them but from the highlights looked like we always had them on the ropes. Looking forward to Grant getting us back up to those levels again.
And in the same season, the keeper at Wimbledon that got Marquis sent off by linking his arm with JMs was Ramsdale - now Raya's rival
Do NOT get me started on that one. Worst refereeing decision I have ever seen.
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Bizarrely I don't remember Copps ever taking a penno!
To bang on about Ironside again, his penalties are also excellent - when he steps up for a pen I feel like we're going to score every time.
McIndoe same, never felt like he would miss - always looked confident stepping up.
Bloody hell, Reg, don't tell me you missed that fantastic 3-1 win at Blackburn under Fergie. Copps got brought down, and then put the penno away himself.
There was no argument about Marquis and May that day either. They both scored.
I did - I was on me jollys!! I've just watched the highlights on YouTube :scarf:
Did you notice who the keeper was that made that dreadful mistake leading to Alfie's goal?
None other than the current keeper at Arsenal, David Raya.
Wow, I hadn't. A couple of defensive howlers from them but from the highlights looked like we always had them on the ropes. Looking forward to Grant getting us back up to those levels again.
And in the same season, the keeper at Wimbledon that got Marquis sent off by linking his arm with JMs was Ramsdale - now Raya's rival
Do NOT get me started on that one. Worst refereeing decision I have ever seen.
What, including allowing the one that Kitson slam dunked in for Portsmouth.
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Surprised to read that 14 is Joe’s best number of goals scored
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Joe won’t score more than 10 open play goals plus penalties this season. He offers more than that though doesn’t he. He allows Mo to drift around and do his own thing and we can still maintain a focal point.
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We’ve had for a few seasons now a squad full of invertebrates unwilling to fight and scrap. Ironside epitomises the will to win, and that adds to the squad culture that is obviously being entrenched. He sets the example for graft and effort, even if he is technically relatively limited. He’s a great asset.
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
Joe has eight goals this season including the FACup, Carabao Cup and League games.
I don’t know if he has scored in the FL Trophy games so might have more.
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He’s got 9 goals from 21 games in all competitions.
His best record was during the 21/22 season where he got 15 in all competitions with 14 League One.
He should beat that.
But even if he doesn’t get loads in the end he’s still very important.
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
Joe has eight goals this season including the FACup, Carabao Cup and League games.
I don’t know if he has scored in the FL Trophy games so might have more.
Talking open play. He has scored 3 penalties I believe.
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Joe won’t score more than 10 open play goals plus penalties this season.
GazLaz has spoken, you might as well pack in now Joe!
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
3 open play goals in the league.
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
Joe has eight goals this season including the FACup, Carabao Cup and League games.
I don’t know if he has scored in the FL Trophy games so might have more.
Talking open play. He has scored 3 penalties I believe.
Penalties are not gimmes though are they.
They have to be put away and are still classed as goals.
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
Joe has eight goals this season including the FACup, Carabao Cup and League games.
I don’t know if he has scored in the FL Trophy games so might have more.
Talking open play. He has scored 3 penalties I believe.
Penalties are not gimmes though are they.
They have to be put away and are still classed as goals.
Well said hound.
I really struggle with the ‘goals plus penalties’ analysis.
Ironside is looking like an expert penalty taker, and that in itself is a skill.
Many ‘goals from open play’ are scored from within the six-yard box with no opponent between the scorer and the goal line.
So why distinguish between goals from open play and those from penalties?
Unless you’re GazLaz of course.
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
Joe has eight goals this season including the FACup, Carabao Cup and League games.
I don’t know if he has scored in the FL Trophy games so might have more.
Talking open play. He has scored 3 penalties I believe.
Penalties are not gimmes though are they.
They have to be put away and are still classed as goals.
Obviously but GazLaz said “Joe won’t score more than 10 open play goals plus penalties this season”. Which is why roversdude and I replied talking about goals from open play…
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
Joe has eight goals this season including the FACup, Carabao Cup and League games.
I don’t know if he has scored in the FL Trophy games so might have more.
Talking open play. He has scored 3 penalties I believe.
Penalties are not gimmes though are they.
They have to be put away and are still classed as goals.
Penalties do take putting away but don’t really reflect the goal threat of a striker do they. There is likely to be a post on this site within the next two years saying “Joe is a workhorse but we need someone who is more of a goal threat if we are to get promoted”. It will be after he goes 8 or 10 games without scoring.
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
Joe has eight goals this season including the FACup, Carabao Cup and League games.
I don’t know if he has scored in the FL Trophy games so might have more.
Talking open play. He has scored 3 penalties I believe.
Penalties are not gimmes though are they.
They have to be put away and are still classed as goals.
There is likely to be a post on this site within the next two years saying “Joe is a workhorse but we need someone who is more of a goal threat if we are to get promoted”. It will be after he goes 8 or 10 games without scoring.
Any chance you could let me have next week’s lottery numbers Gaz?
Or tomorrow’s weather forecast….. ?
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
Joe has eight goals this season including the FACup, Carabao Cup and League games.
I don’t know if he has scored in the FL Trophy games so might have more.
Talking open play. He has scored 3 penalties I believe.
Penalties are not gimmes though are they.
They have to be put away and are still classed as goals.
Penalties do take putting away but don’t really reflect the goal threat of a striker do they. There is likely to be a post on this site within the next two years saying “Joe is a workhorse but we need someone who is more of a goal threat if we are to get promoted”. It will be after he goes 8 or 10 games without scoring.
He will always knock a few in but his gig is that the other guy will score more, right? Faal or Miller.
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
Joe has eight goals this season including the FACup, Carabao Cup and League games.
I don’t know if he has scored in the FL Trophy games so might have more.
Talking open play. He has scored 3 penalties I believe.
Penalties are not gimmes though are they.
They have to be put away and are still classed as goals.
Penalties do take putting away but don’t really reflect the goal threat of a striker do they. There is likely to be a post on this site within the next two years saying “Joe is a workhorse but we need someone who is more of a goal threat if we are to get promoted”. It will be after he goes 8 or 10 games without scoring.
We have a potential 20 goal striker in George Miller when he's fit. He's scored 15 for us in 35 starts, mostly whole playing in a side disintegrating around him.
He'd have twice that many if his left foot worked.
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I think Joe will get more than 10 from open play Gaz but I’m an eternal optimist
How many has he got already - 5 or 6 across all competitions? We’ve got at least 31 fixtures left so even if he was injured for a third of those games I’d back him to get 4 or 5 more.
Joe has eight goals this season including the FACup, Carabao Cup and League games.
I don’t know if he has scored in the FL Trophy games so might have more.
Talking open play. He has scored 3 penalties I believe.
Penalties are not gimmes though are they.
They have to be put away and are still classed as goals.
Penalties do take putting away but don’t really reflect the goal threat of a striker do they. There is likely to be a post on this site within the next two years saying “Joe is a workhorse but we need someone who is more of a goal threat if we are to get promoted”. It will be after he goes 8 or 10 games without scoring.
That’s Joe in to double figures in all comps.
In the league, 7 goals and 3 assists from 18 games is a brilliant record.
That’s more goal contributions than proven “prolific” strikers such as:
Dom Telford
Macauley Bonne
David McGoldrick
Andy Cook
Danny Johnson
Charlie Austin
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I thought he had a quiet game yesterday but he took his goal excellently.
And the cross from Maxwell was sumptuous. He's by far the best crosser of a ball in the club. He has to be a first choice in a 5-3-2 formation.
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4/4 now for Ironside (coincidentally all at home)
Clarke-Harris, of Saturday's opponents Peterborough, has scored 29/36 career spot kicks. Decent going.
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4/4 now for Ironside (coincidentally all at home)
Clarke-Harris, of Saturday's opponents Peterborough, has scored 29/36 career spot kicks. Decent going.
It is good going.
The average for scoring pens is generally three out of four.
Clarke-Harris is better than that.
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4/4 now for Ironside (coincidentally all at home)
Clarke-Harris, of Saturday's opponents Peterborough, has scored 29/36 career spot kicks. Decent going.
It is good going.
The average for scoring pens is generally three out of four.
Clarke-Harris is better than that.
A good penalty taker should be at 4 in 5 or better. I imagine that Kane, Mbappe, Haaland etc would all be at 80%+ career record, maybe even 85%.
Which probably means that Ironside is a due a miss!
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According to footystats which includes his time at non-league level Joe has 25/29. So 86%.
https://footystats.org/players/england/joe-ironside#:~:text=Penalty%20Stats&text=Joe%20Ironside%20has%20taken%2028,rate%20for%20Ironside%20is%2085.71%25.
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4/4 now for Ironside (coincidentally all at home)
Clarke-Harris, of Saturday's opponents Peterborough, has scored 29/36 career spot kicks. Decent going.
It is good going.
The average for scoring pens is generally three out of four.
Clarke-Harris is better than that.
A good penalty taker should be at 4 in 5 or better. I imagine that Kane, Mbappe, Haaland etc would all be at 80%+ career record, maybe even 85%.
Which probably means that Ironside is a due a miss!
I would agree that top pen takers are up around 80% success rate, but even that is only marginally better than three out of four scored.
Over all though not all penalty takers are that good and three scored in every four taken is about the average.
A quick Google shows that some top players don’t have good records from the spot.
Riyad Mahrez and Michael Owen scored 67% of theirs in the PL while Paul Pogba scored 65%.
There are dozens of searches that can be made, how many at PL level, how many at International level etc, but InStat give the following overall stats:
“About 75 per cent of the time, penalty kicks are converted.
According to InStat, the most reliable men from the spot are those aged 32 or 33 – they have the highest success rate of 77.13 per cent. Unsurprisingly, the least dependable are the 18 and 19-year-olds, whose miss one in four on average.
Despite forwards being the more prolific from the spot, with a conversion rate of 75.99 per cent, it’s actually midfielders who tend to take them more, with in excess of 45,000 penalties compared to strikers, with just more than 32,000”.
And yes, Ironside is due a miss.
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Anyone notice the Ironside Decorators van in the car park on Tuesday
Grant stated that Cliff said Joe took some rubbish pens in training
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His penalty on Tuesday was only a couple of inches off being a miss. No bad thing I guess to give him a missed beat, just keep him fully concentrating on the next one.
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His penalty on Tuesday was only a couple of inches off being a miss. No bad thing I guess to give him a missed beat, just keep him fully concentrating on the next one.
He takes quite superb penalties. They are hit with pace and put into the very extremities of the goal. If he gets them on target, no keeper in the world can save them. It's inevitable that he'll miss the target eventually, but overall I think he's playing very sensible odds with that approach.
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That’s Joe in to double figures in the league with 24 apps 10 goals.
6 from open play at the half way point Gaz!
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Would love to see Ironside, with the right players for the formation, playing in a 442 with a quality (for our league) goal poacher playing close to him. With Sterry back in at full back if we could get some quality balls in from both sides he could really create some carnage and with the right player next to him some extra goals.