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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Padge_DRFC on November 25, 2023, 05:06:46 pm
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Let's hope the recent black Friday ST offer was for some cash in January.
New CB needed. Our best CB at the club currently was signed as a midfielder. Wood and Anderson aren't the answer.
GK that comes off his line would do nicely as well.
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2 new centre halves, jones yes should come off His line but makes some very good saves
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Lawlor must be crap in training if Jones is the best keeper we have geez so poor
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I'm not sure with bailey in the back four that the defence has enough protection from midfield. Look at the midfield:
Close, Westbrooke tidy footballers but not great in the tackle.
Rowe, box to box but doesn't have the legs each week.
Broadbent, jury out completely on whether he's up to league 2, work to do yet but he's also not a defensive midfielder.
Biggins, box to box for me but he doesn't do enough in the midfield, his strongest attribute is runs in to the box and long shots.
My question, out of all them who's holding it together in the whiteman, stock, doolan, Keegan role?
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2 new centre halves, jones yes should come off His line but makes some very good saves
Never going to be good enough for a team that wants to play league 1 football.
Anderson needs to be shipped out and Olowu ain’t much better if we are honest. These lads that were here before McCann will get him the sack if he is not careful.
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2 Quality central defenders end of. Anderson and Oluwu shipped out on loan.
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GM has stated clearly that the first priority is a striker, and I've heard from a good source that one is in the pipeline, and no, it's not Wilks unfortunately.
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1) A keeper
2) a complete new defence that can actually defend
3) a midfielder
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We need two brutes good in the air and no nonsense, in Faulkner and Wood we have them here already. I just cannot understand the reluctance to play them when the others are the same people making the same mistakes in mid field and central defence they were making two years ago.
When Faulkner is fit he needs to come straight in.
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We need money to bring in any of the above. Question is, is there anything left from the summers war chest?
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Jones was good today. He’s better than Lawlor and Mitchell.
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Jones was good today. He’s better than Lawlor and Mitchell.
Is he good enough to be a top end league 2 and league 1 keeper though?
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Jones was good today. He’s better than Lawlor and Mitchell.
Is he good enough to be a top end league 2 and league 1 keeper though?
He’s a better than average league 2 keeper with loads of improvement still in him.
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Jones was good today. He’s better than Lawlor and Mitchell.
Is he good enough to be a top end league 2 and league 1 keeper though?
No he isn't. Okay shot stopper. Nothing today where I thought wow. The one time he came off his line he was far too weak and they should have then lobbed him and scored.
He's in the team as he can knock it about with his feet better than Lawlor.
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Jones was good today. He’s better than Lawlor and Mitchell.
Is he good enough to be a top end league 2 and league 1 keeper though?
No he isn't. Okay shot stopper. Nothing today where I thought wow. The one time he came off his line he was far too weak and they should have then lobbed him and scored.
He's in the team as he can knock it about with his feet better than Lawlor.
He made a couple of very good saves today. He’s in ahead of Lawlor because he’s a better keeper and he’s better with his feet.
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Let's hope the recent black Friday ST offer was for some cash in January.
New CB needed. Our best CB at the club currently was signed as a midfielder. Wood and Anderson aren't the answer.
GK that comes off his line would do nicely as well.
The club's been offering adult tickets for £200. I don't think there will be much in the way of revenue raised.
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Let's hope the recent black Friday ST offer was for some cash in January.
New CB needed. Our best CB at the club currently was signed as a midfielder. Wood and Anderson aren't the answer.
GK that comes off his line would do nicely as well.
The club's been offering adult tickets for £200. I don't think there will be much in the way of revenue raised.
£100k then equals 2 decent league 2 players wages.
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Mcann has already said his priority is another goalscorer. Pointless if we can’t keep them out at the other end
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Jones is better than Lawlor yet we still need a keeper. Thats saying something. Priority has to be 2 centre halves and a midfielder. And then in the summer another 2 midfielders a wide player and definitely a keeper. Thats when we can look to compete at the top end. GM not speaking about how easily we are to score against is starting to grind on me. How can he expect us to be hard to beat with a gung ho strategy and no solid base at the back or in midfield?
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Jones is better than Lawlor yet we still need a keeper. Thats saying something. Priority has to be 2 centre halves and a midfielder. And then in the summer another 2 midfielders a wide player and definitely a keeper. Thats when we can look to compete at the top end. GM not speaking about how easily we are to score against is starting to grind on me. How can he expect us to be hard to beat with a gung ho strategy and no solid base at the back or in midfield?
Why would he criticise his players in the media, you can be too honest sometimes.
He'll definitely tell them in the changing room but you wouldn't make it public.
I remember Darren Ferguson often did that when results went against us, deflecting any blame from himself.
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Jones was good today. He’s better than Lawlor and Mitchell.
hurrah
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Jones was good today. He’s better than Lawlor and Mitchell.
Is he good enough to be a top end league 2 and league 1 keeper though?
He’s a better than average league 2 keeper with loads of improvement still in him.
hurrah :)
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People do realise the season tickets sold today are to fund the club next season? No CFO in their right mind is going to allow future revenue to fund current spending. Total madness.
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For the three good saves that Junes made he was very poor for the three goals, when balls are fired straight at a keeper from an acute angle you would favour the keeper 8 times out of 10, should of done much better for all.
But then again when you have a central defence that has the constituent strength of gnats piss then you will always be on edge, A goalie that very rarely comes and a defence that cant protect him, the perfect storm.
If we don't address this glaring issue then we will will struggle infinitely
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Well, it's probably not going to happen, but my priority would be a keeper. Such a key position for affecting the whole defence, not only one who commands his box, but also commands his co defenders, keeping them more switched on. A keeper with the ability to take crosses and relieve pressure, means our centre halves can save their energy and mental capacity for better concentration levels at key stages of games. I think we'd see such a difference in our centre halves when backed by a really good keeper.
Jones is a competent keeper and has done well making good saves BUT, we all know where both he and Lawlor fall short (scuse the pun!)
I just don't think McCann, having said he chose Lawlor, will now back track and dump him so soon, eventhough Jones has deservedly kept the shirt after Lawlors injury.
The other question is ofcourse, is there a good keeper available who'd come in a January window? Loan maybe for someone currently getting splinters every week?
Midfield. Whilst Biggins might describe himself as a box to box player, he's often in a different time zone to everyone else and whilst he does provide a goal threat, I think he and Broadbent are the weakest links in there, so would like to augment the midfield with a true nitty, gritty anchor man to compete with Bailey in support of Close and Westbrooke.
Striker. McCann already aiming to strengthen.
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Unless Marsh and Miller are out for even longer then I wouldn't waste money on a striker. Defence is average but create f all chances.
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1) A keeper
2) a complete new defence that can actually defend
3) a midfielder
Well our budget should accommodate all of that easily.
Get real.
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The immediate question for me is -
Why did McCann change a fully rested winning team?
Especially when Wood was the star performer v Accrington.
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The immediate question for me is -
Why did McCann change a fully rested winning team?
Especially when Wood was the star performer v Accrington.
I’m aware it’s an unpopular opinion, but I’ve never agreed with the cliche “you should never change a winning team”. You should pick the team that you believe has the best chance of winning the game that you’re currently playing, and if that means changes from a team which won the last game then so be it. There’s so much more nuance to the game than just picking a team that won last time out.
That said, if Wood was as impressive as reported and Anderson has not been playing particularly well for most of the season then it’s a fair question why that particular change was made.
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With the majority of our earlier season injury crisis now over (for the time being) we have a full squad, or will before the January window if we avoid more longer term injuries.
We can’t keep throwing yet more money at the problem, especially given the challenges of the January window.
Personally the only change I would make is replace Marsh as a loanee if he is going to be out for several months, with another loan striker given Miller looks a long term doubt now.
We have a litany of central defenders and players like Bailey and Senior who can play central defence. McCann should be getting a tune out of a least some combination of Anderson, Wood, Olowu, Long, Faulkner, Senior and Bailey. That should be the aim, not spending more money.
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With the majority of our earlier season injury crisis now over (for the time being) we have a full squad, or will before the January window if we avoid more longer term injuries.
We can’t keep throwing yet more money at the problem, especially given the challenges of the January window.
Personally the only change I would make is replace Marsh as a loanee if he is going to be out for several months, with another loan striker given Miller looks a long term doubt now.
We have a litany of central defenders and players like Bailey and Senior who can play central defence. McCann should be getting a tune out of a least some combination of Anderson, Wood, Olowu, Long, Faulkner, Senior and Bailey. That should be the aim, not spending more money.
That's the more sensible approach and probably how McCann is realistically thinking.
I don't think many managers look forward to January window looking for major surgery. Making the most of what we have is essential before writing any players off.
Confidence and belief are massive in football, and McCann needs to make sure these levels keep improving from where we've been. It doesn't take big changes to swing yesterday's result from a loss to a win. This is when managers really show their worth.
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I see what you're saying but I think GM will use it to carry on building "his squad".
Marsh and Roberts are likely to go back I reckon.
Anderson and Olowu always have a mistake in them every game so wd do need another commanding centre back.
Anderson has been here a while now so is GM going to be able to get those mistakes out of him now? I don't think so.
But, I wouldn't let Anderson or Olowu go in this window or in the summer.
The centre backs who go in the summer should be Long and Wood.
I would be tempted to offload Biggins sooner rather than later though, he doesn't keep hold of possession we'll enough for me and doesn't have that killer pass. Yes scores a screamer or two but overall contribution is not up to much.
I would like to see Bailey in the midfield so that's why I would push the boat out for a decent centre half..
I doubt of there's any better goalkeepers available in January so stick with what we've got for now.
Worst thing we can do is do nothing, there's still a few players we have from previous seasons with a bit of rot in them.
I think there's plenty of manoeuvrability to do business in January.
End of season I'd be paying off Taylor and Lavery. I wouldn't keep Wood on because of his age and one of senior keepers I'd be selling.
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Both Lavery and Taylor are out of contract this summer. They will leave without needing paying off, should we decide not to renew.
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Even better.
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The immediate question for me is -
Why did McCann change a fully rested winning team?
Especially when Wood was the star performer v Accrington.
I’m aware it’s an unpopular opinion, but I’ve never agreed with the cliche “you should never change a winning team”. You should pick the team that you believe has the best chance of winning the game that you’re currently playing, and if that means changes from a team which won the last game then so be it. There’s so much more nuance to the game than just picking a team that won last time out.
That said, if Wood was as impressive as reported and Anderson has not been playing particularly well for most of the season then it’s a fair question why that particular change was made.
Aye if the first team you're playing against is quick in defence but not very tall you play to the height advantage, then if the next team is slow but tall you're not gonna play the same team just because they won last time, if you can get through their defence using pace then do it.
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If Roberts & Marsh do go back, we have 3 available loan slots. GM has already said he wants another striker, so that leaves 2 places - either a dm or a cb for 1 slot and I’d have a keeper.
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It’s really frustrating we are having discussions about the GK again.
The summer was the perfect chance to sort that and some of us who raised concerns about Lawlor joining were shot down.
Trust GM I really do but it was a poor signing.
It had to be a new number 1 and keep Jones as 2. If he wanted to go and be first choice fine, 2 new goalies.
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The immediate question for me is -
Why did McCann change a fully rested winning team?
Especially when Wood was the star performer v Accrington.
I’m aware it’s an unpopular opinion, but I’ve never agreed with the cliche “you should never change a winning team”. You should pick the team that you believe has the best chance of winning the game that you’re currently playing, and if that means changes from a team which won the last game then so be it. There’s so much more nuance to the game than just picking a team that won last time out.
That said, if Wood was as impressive as reported and Anderson has not been playing particularly well for most of the season then it’s a fair question why that particular change was made.
Aye if the first team you're playing against is quick in defence but not very tall you play to the height advantage, then if the next team is slow but tall you're not gonna play the same team just because they won last time, if you can get through their defence using pace then do it.
Its a very fair point NC makes.
We have had such a disjointed and stop start season with our regular multitude of injuries/lack of form/playing formations, ect that it would of made very good sense to have kept the winning team together to start this match.
We have struggled for form and consistency all season so to have a kick start with a very good result at a place where we never do well should of been our plan, we just need to try to play some sort of fixed formation just to get the players all tuned in and understanding what's required.
If we keep chopping and changing every week and every game we will never build that harmony and understanding that all good teams have and need.
I'm concerned that this far into the season(regardless of our injury list) that it still looks like we are experimenting to try to fins the winning formula. I'd of thought that GM would now know what he has and who should be his first choice players and formation, the constant tinkering with players, form, injury has made a very difficult season for us even harder.
Just hoping we can offload some surplus/not in favour players to enable us to bring maybe one or two who can come straight in and become regulars for the rest of the season and then kick on from there.
Major restructure needed in the summer to burn off the excess and try to bring in some quality(preferably the type that does not require reconstruction and rehabilitation)
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Jones is better than Lawlor yet we still need a keeper. Thats saying something. Priority has to be 2 centre halves and a midfielder. And then in the summer another 2 midfielders a wide player and definitely a keeper. Thats when we can look to compete at the top end. GM not speaking about how easily we are to score against is starting to grind on me. How can he expect us to be hard to beat with a gung ho strategy and no solid base at the back or in midfield?
Why would he criticise his players in the media, you can be too honest sometimes.
He'll definitely tell them in the changing room but you wouldn't make it public.
I remember Darren Ferguson often did that when results went against us, deflecting any blame from himself.
Im not expecting a man hunt into every performance. And he has done this a couple of times already btw. It would be nice to hear him address why we concede so many goals. Lets face it.. every game is the same. You just know the opposition will score. We never ever look like we are solid and im sorry to say but he is happy to say we need a striker when we have 2 strikers there who consistently do their jobs but fails to comment on his leaky defence and lack of midfield protection.
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We are not quite there yet, but it’s just shy of 90pc of games where we concede.
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We’re desperate for a big strong centre half and a strong mobile DM, I’m not right bothered about a striker but always need cover I suppose. Is there any news on GM?
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We’re desperate for a big strong centre half and a strong mobile DM, I’m not right bothered about a striker but always need cover I suppose. Is there any news on GM?
As far as I am aware his knee just isn't right and he gets swelling on it after any sort of intense training. Unlees there has been an interview I have missed this was the last thing said on him a couple of weeks ago.
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We’re desperate for a big strong centre half and a strong mobile DM, I’m not right bothered about a striker but always need cover I suppose. Is there any news on GM?
3/5ths of our center halfs are big and strong.
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We’re desperate for a big strong centre half and a strong mobile DM, I’m not right bothered about a striker but always need cover I suppose. Is there any news on GM?
3/5ths of our center halfs are big and strong.
1 is injured (Faulkner) and the other 2 (Wood and Anderson) you can only play 1 at a time.
Olowu gets bullied.
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I really wouldn’t describe Anderson as big and strong.
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We’re desperate for a big strong centre half and a strong mobile DM, I’m not right bothered about a striker but always need cover I suppose. Is there any news on GM?
3/5ths of our center halfs are big and strong.
It’s relative, not Sonny Bradley big and strong or Mathieu Smith big and strong!
:chair:
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Jones was good today. He’s better than Lawlor and Mitchell.
hurrah
And the good thing is he’s young and will improve with experience.
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We the supporters and the board are going to have to have patience we have a lot of mistakes to make good, and the last months of last season to make good on when we really were the pits and completely leaderless.
Grant has done well picking us up from rock bottom, carrying on the end of last seasons form would see us out of the league this season.
A big shake out is still needed, some of the players thought to be good are not as good as their reputations the results the last two years, a long time in football backing up the conclusion, we cannot afford to become footballs equivalent to a rest home.
We are not in the buy at any cost players, we need to seek out and find young ambitious fit young players not yet matured , I feel that process has started , not everyone we bring in will be a gem, but some brought in this season are showing improvement and the way forward in a short time which is credit to the management team.
It will happen under Grant I am sure of, he will need the odd experienced player but he needs time to lift us off the floor as anyone would, there is no magic wand, but we have made a good start and that is what we have to remember it is just the start with a long way to go and the club is a we, supporters, staff and board together the only way forward is patience and let the people at the top get on with their job.
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All well and good, Selby, IF GM is here for the longer term! I have no inside knowledge at all, in making that statement, and I sincerely hope he’s with us for a few more seasons, but, if he support from above falls away, I can see him scouring other opportunities.
We are no more than a mid-table side currently, even with GM’s major overhaul in the summer and it’s becoming increasingly obvious that more investment in the squad is still required. (GM has already alluded to that).
I hope he sticks around and finishes the job of getting us back to, at the very least, a top end L1 outfit.
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Further response from GM when asked about January.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0gwwr7l
Sounds like they're on the ball and "ready to strike in the areas we need".
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All well and good, Selby, IF GM is here for the longer term! I have no inside knowledge at all, in making that statement, and I sincerely hope he’s with us for a few more seasons, but, if he support from above falls away, I can see him scouring other opportunities.
We are no more than a mid-table side currently, even with GM’s major overhaul in the summer and it’s becoming increasingly obvious that more investment in the squad is still required. (GM has already alluded to that).
I hope he sticks around and finishes the job of getting us back to, at the very least, a top end L1 outfit.
My thoughts entirely Alan, would like hope that the powers above can see what Grant is trying to, & I'm sure will achieve given the backing. Obviously the board has been great so far, but it's clear we are still way off where we want to be yet given the mess we were in, but it will take time, & more backing for an excellent manager & his staff.
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I reckon that Grant is still figuring out how to get the best out of what he has got.
We have to give him time to do that.
The good news is that generally, win or lose, we are much better to watch than we have been for the last two years and personally I am looking forward to, and enjoying, going to games again.
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You have hit the nail on the head Hound, win or lose although winning is better it's enjoyable again, many talking points and visible progress by the club as a whole and most of the young playing staff.
This season might be a bit soon, and our best chance might be a good cup run, although I think our second half of the season could well be the best part.
I can take that enjoy the rest of the season and look forward, it has been a long time since we could say that.
One wish for Christmas if we are to have another striker on that list, young hungry and good, Josh Stones a fringe player at Wigan, although the train may have left the station on that one.
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You have hit the nail on the head Hound, win or lose although winning is better it's enjoyable again, many talking points and visible progress by the club as a whole and most of the young playing staff.
This season might be a bit soon, and our best chance might be a good cup run, although I think our second half of the season could well be the best part.
I can take that enjoy the rest of the season and look forward, it has been a long time since we could say that.
One wish for Christmas if we are to have another striker on that list, young hungry and good, Josh Stones a fringe player at Wigan, although the train may have left the station on that one.
Josh Stones has gone on youth loan to Oldham Athletic until January.
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Priority has to be midfield and a striker with the lates injury update. Centre half would be good too but we have a bit more depth there.
Can only see us getting a few young untested loanees in the window. We are a bit far off the playoffs so might struggle to justify spending bigger this window.
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Who are the players out of contract next summer apart from , Biggins , Molyneux , Taylor …
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Close, Westbrooke, Wood, Faulkner, Long, Maxwell, Rowe and Lavery.
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Who are the players out of contract next summer apart from , Biggins , Molyneux , Taylor …
According to transfermarkt the full list:
Wood
Faulkner
Long
Maxwell
Biggins
Close
Westbrooke
Rowe
Molyneux
Lavery
Taylor
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I think it’s still the case that in the absence of a contract offer players can from January sign pre-contracts with other clubs. I suspect we will see some of the above be offered terms next month. Others either have something lined up and will not sign, or can’t get anything better and will wait until June and see if we offer anything then.
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Who are the players out of contract next summer apart from , Biggins , Molyneux , Taylor …
According to transfermarkt the full list:
Wood
Faulkner
Long
Maxwell
Biggins
Close
Westbrooke
Rowe
Molyneux
Lavery
Out of those I would let go
Wood
Long
Biggins
Rowe
Lavery
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Taylor is definitely out of contract too. I would agree with the above. Rowe Taylor and Wood are probably one of the higher earners in the team and this season offered next to nothing
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Yes, with limited mileage left in their tanks, we can't carry forward those risks.
There's always the chance that Molyneux might want to move on or keep his options open. While his stock is still intact as one of the more consistent players, he could defer any contract talks with us and consider a move if a club comes in for him or just run down his contract and reassess at the end of the season.
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We’ve got a big squad but a constantly smaller group to chose from due to injuries. This is a financial burden not least because we are having to rely on some players for the match day squad that we might other loan out or move on.
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Who are the players out of contract next summer apart from , Biggins , Molyneux , Taylor …
According to transfermarkt the full list:
Wood
Faulkner
Long
Maxwell
Biggins
Close
Westbrooke
Rowe
Molyneux
Lavery
Out of those I would let go
Wood
Long
Biggins
Rowe
Lavery
Taylor goes without saying
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Who are the players out of contract next summer apart from , Biggins , Molyneux , Taylor …
According to transfermarkt the full list:
Wood
Faulkner
Long
Maxwell
Biggins
Close
Westbrooke
Rowe
Molyneux
Lavery
Out of those I would let go
Wood
Long
Biggins
Rowe
Lavery
Taylor goes without saying
He’s not on that list, but yes, we haven’t had value for money from him, which is a shame because he’s a good player with excellent workrate when fit
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Have added Taylor now always forget him.
We will be able to replace him with a quality proven player for this level.
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Who are the players out of contract next summer apart from , Biggins , Molyneux , Taylor …
According to transfermarkt the full list:
Wood
Faulkner
Long
Maxwell
Biggins
Close
Westbrooke
Rowe
Molyneux
Lavery
Taylor
Westbrooke
Close
Maxwell
Faulkner
Release the rest.
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Top 3 can never stay fit shame as they are good
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Move on Long, Lavery, Biggins and Degruchy in January, send back Roberts too.
Bigger clear out in the summer.
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Olowu we hang onto just in case he turns out to develop into a good player, it isn’t happening. Anderson just isn’t the same player we had a couple of seasons ago. For me we need a central defensive partnership with the current incumbents being moved on if possible. Midfield we are wide open, too many that are alright when on the ball but offer no resistance to the opposition coming towards our goal.
A lot of the basics any decent team does we are not doing. Being nice and solid, keeping the shape of the team. Working hard to stop who you play. Being brave on the ball, taking responsibility for making things happen.
The manager has to take some responsibility, he has to get the side organised. Stay in games, if you can’t score don’t give your opponents a start.
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At least 6 players with heart and desire
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Molyneux didn’t look interested today.
No point keeping him for continuity when there is better value for money out there.
Even when he plays well, a goal or assist are incredibly rare.
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New manager maybe a priority. Looked like the team didn’t want to play for him today.
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I don’t really see much point in making January a priority for recruitment. We are not going up this season and panic signing in the mid-season window is exactly what we have tried to do the last couple of years. Realistically we should think about an early bid for Nixon if Hull are not going to offer him a new deal, then recycling out maybe Marsh and Roberts for a striker and a midfielder. Would then rather save our powder for the summer rather than wasting yet more cash on panic signings.
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I don’t really see much point in making January a priority for recruitment. We are not going up this season and panic signing in the mid-season window is exactly what we have tried to do the last couple of years. Realistically we should think about an early bid for Nixon if Hull are not going to offer him a new deal, then recycling out maybe Marsh and Roberts for a striker and a midfielder. Would then rather save our powder for the summer rather than wasting yet more cash on panic signings.
Was going to post exactly the same thing. Unless we can get a permanent signing or two for the future, which is unlikely in Jan, there’s not much point in getting loans in with not really anything to play for, except persuading people to buy season tickets next year.
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Taylor rumoured to be on circa 4 grand a week. That’s over 200k a year for doing nowt. There really should be long term injury clauses written into contracts . If I was long term sick after six months my pay gets halved . And I’m lucky. Many people would go down to SSP very quickly.
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Taylor rumoured to be on circa 4 grand a week. That’s over 200k a year for doing nowt. There really should be long term injury clauses written into contracts . If I was long term sick after six months my pay gets halved . And I’m lucky. Many people would go down to SSP very quickly.
Agree about sick pay but the market dictates the pay and conditions, the player if they’re considered half decent might have a number of clubs interested, so you don’t have much option if you want to sign a player. Plus they’ve got the richest union in the world so as a club you’re up against it.
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Said it earlier in the thread. Terry won't have to keep throwing money at it next summer as Rowe Wood and Taylor's wages will be off the books and we'll be able to use that money hopefully better.
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Taylor rumoured to be on circa 4 grand a week. That’s over 200k a year for doing nowt. There really should be long term injury clauses written into contracts . If I was long term sick after six months my pay gets halved . And I’m lucky. Many people would go down to SSP very quickly.
He will not be on anything like £4.000 a week. There will be no one on above 2.5 a week.
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Taylor rumoured to be on circa 4 grand a week. That’s over 200k a year for doing nowt. There really should be long term injury clauses written into contracts . If I was long term sick after six months my pay gets halved . And I’m lucky. Many people would go down to SSP very quickly.
He will not be on anything like £4.000 a week. There will be no one on above 2.5 a week.
He’s not on 4k a week. That is a fact.
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I thought Taylor took a pay cut to something like 2.8k when he signed new contract.
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Taylor rumoured to be on circa 4 grand a week. That’s over 200k a year for doing nowt. There really should be long term injury clauses written into contracts . If I was long term sick after six months my pay gets halved . And I’m lucky. Many people would go down to SSP very quickly.
He will not be on anything like £4.000 a week. There will be no one on above 2.5 a week.
He’s not on 4k a week. That is a fact.
I did say rumoured. Players wages are like a dark mystery cloaked in mystery. Even 4 k a week is 150k. That’s a lot of money for a club in the financial Position of rovers. Especially with zero return for that level of spend
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You have hit the nail on the head Hound, win or lose although winning is better it's enjoyable again, many talking points and visible progress by the club as a whole and most of the young playing staff.
This season might be a bit soon, and our best chance might be a good cup run, although I think our second half of the season could well be the best part.
I can take that enjoy the rest of the season and look forward, it has been a long time since we could say that.
One wish for Christmas if we are to have another striker on that list, young hungry and good, Josh Stones a fringe player at Wigan, although the train may have left the station on that one.
Josh Stones has gone on youth loan to Oldham Athletic until January.
I’ve recommended him to the club a couple of times, he would’ve been a great signing for us. But he’s gone to Oldham until they can get rid of wyke and magennis and once he’s back he’ll be in their first team squad
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How much is Olowu worth?
I’d probably look to cash in.
He has valuable attributes but defenders with the heart of a mouse aren’t going to get you anywhere in L2. And we’ve done nothing but lose since he’s been in the defence.
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Taylor rumoured to be on circa 4 grand a week. That’s over 200k a year for doing nowt. There really should be long term injury clauses written into contracts . If I was long term sick after six months my pay gets halved . And I’m lucky. Many people would go down to SSP very quickly.
He will not be on anything like £4.000 a week. There will be no one on above 2.5 a week.
He’s not on 4k a week. That is a fact.
I did say rumoured. Players wages are like a dark mystery cloaked in mystery. Even 4 k a week is 150k. That’s a lot of money for a club in the financial Position of rovers. Especially with zero return for that level of spend
£4k a week is over £200k a year.
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Interesting maths going on here.
We need to get a proper recruitment team to work with McCann looking now to the summer. Release all players out of contract bar Faulkner, Westbrooke, Maxwell, Moly and close (he’d have to take a pay cut though). Use the money to refresh and hire a fitness coach.
As for Olowu not sure how you can cash in on a player that’s not worth a transfer fee. Someone might take him off us for a free.
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I thought Taylor took a pay cut to something like 2.8k when he signed new contract.
IIRC it was said that he was offered a 2yr contract and he said spread that money out over three years. So if (big if) the offer was 2yr at 4k per week then that would work out at 2.66K week over three years. Might be less.
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Should start having the injured lads working as stewards or selling programmes. Make themselves useful for all their getting paid
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Taylor rumoured to be on circa 4 grand a week. That’s over 200k a year for doing nowt. There really should be long term injury clauses written into contracts . If I was long term sick after six months my pay gets halved . And I’m lucky. Many people would go down to SSP very quickly.
He will not be on anything like £4.000 a week. There will be no one on above 2.5 a week.
He’s not on 4k a week. That is a fact.
I did say rumoured. Players wages are like a dark mystery cloaked in mystery. Even 4 k a week is 150k. That’s a lot of money for a club in the financial Position of rovers. Especially with zero return for that level of spend
£4k a week is over £200k a year.
Sorry. Typo. Should have read 3k
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New team!!
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To bring players in ,McCann has to get players out . But with so many players either out injured or just not piling their weight , how many needs to be brought in ??
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Perhaps it's time for a complete change,from top to bottom.
The high press isn't working.
The attractive football is more hit and miss,more miss.
Our league position is worse.
Grant has to step up and accept he hasn't delivered.
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Perhaps it's time for a complete change,from top to bottom.
The high press isn't working.
The attractive football is more hit and miss,more miss.
Our league position is worse.
Grant has to step up and accept he hasn't delivered.
I think that is what we have been attempting.
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Olowu, Anderson, Rowe, Hurst, Taylor, Biggins, Roberts, Wood, & at least 1 of the keepers need to go. We won't improve if we don't bring in better.
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I don’t think McCann should be replaced, he is capable of building a good side. He can’t afford some of the performances that his sides have produced though. He has to be backed in January in moving players in and out.
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I don’t think McCann should be replaced, he is capable of building a good side. He can’t afford some of the performances that his sides have produced though. He has to be backed in January in moving players in and out.
McCann is fine with a well bedded in team but he started as a new manger with players who hadn’t played together as well . So a perfect f*** storm ! Players are here to the end of the season so it’s a change of manager required and a big personality with it !! EVANS is my choice ., offer him a big purse for next season and watch him go !!
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A player like Tyler Smith would transform our attack.
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A centre back like their number 5 would be fantastic.
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Tyler Smith at centre back would be an improvement.
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A centre back like their number 5 would be fantastic.
I was saying the same at the match.
Their 5 was a very good player, strong, great in the air and with his feet.
A proper defender.
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A player like Tyler Smith would transform our attack.
Our strikers are perfectly adequate for this level, it’s the other 9 who let us down.
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A player like Tyler Smith would transform our attack.
Our strikers are perfectly adequate for this level, it’s the other 9 who let us down.
Faal looks burnt out
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Giving Anderson a new contract was a big mistake he’s a liability in defence has too many mistakes in him and usually walks the tightrope on a yellow card most games and too many goals we let in are from his mistakes.
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Does anyone else not feel we could be in a relegation battle with our fragile defence and the injury situation? Our midfields piss poor without Westbrook holding it together.
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Does anyone else not feel we could be in a relegation battle with our fragile defence and the injury situation? Our midfields piss poor without Westbrook holding it together.
That was my thoughts walking out of the ground last night, and still the same today, this last 3 seasons have really pissed me off
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Does anyone else not feel we could be in a relegation battle with our fragile defence and the injury situation? Our midfields piss poor without Westbrook holding it together.
That was my thoughts walking out of the ground last night, and still the same today, this last 3 seasons have really pissed me off
God forbid if Ironside gets injured we will really be screwed. Always difficult to bring in the right players in January and even more so when we're at the wrong end of the table.
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Does anyone else not feel we could be in a relegation battle with our fragile defence and the injury situation? Our midfields piss poor without Westbrook holding it together.
My mate said last night that we are back looking over the shoulder at the few teams who are below us.
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How much is Olowu worth?
I’d probably look to cash in.
He has valuable attributes but defenders with the heart of a mouse aren’t going to get you anywhere in L2. And we’ve done nothing but lose since he’s been in the defence.
He's worth nothing. No-one is ever going to pay money to take him off us.
This Olowu worship is truly mystifying.
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How much is Olowu worth?
I’d probably look to cash in.
He has valuable attributes but defenders with the heart of a mouse aren’t going to get you anywhere in L2. And we’ve done nothing but lose since he’s been in the defence.
He's worth nothing. No-one is ever going to pay money to take him off us.
This Olowu worship is truly mystifying.
Yeah just not good enough, be glad to see the back of Close when his contracts up at the end of the season also.
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A player like Tyler Smith would transform our attack.
Our strikers are perfectly adequate for this level, it’s the other 9 who let us down.
Faal looks burnt out
Why, other than he’s been poor the last few games.
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A player like Tyler Smith would transform our attack.
Our strikers are perfectly adequate for this level, it’s the other 9 who let us down.
Faal looks burnt out
Why, other than he’s been poor the last few games.
You’ve just given the answer, I know he’s not the quickest, but for the last few games he looks lethargic and a lot slower
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It's not just the last few games. It's more often than not whenever we come up against a functional attack.
The lad is simply not very good at defending. I desperately want him to succeed, but it's really not going to happen.
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For interest, this was the squad McCann had at his disposal in his final game for us:
Marosi
Blair
Downing
Butler
Andrew
Kane
Rowe
Whiteman
Coppinger
Marquis
Wilks
Substitutes
Lawlor
Wright
Crawford
Anderson
Beestin
May
Sadlier
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How much is Olowu worth?
I’d probably look to cash in.
He has valuable attributes but defenders with the heart of a mouse aren’t going to get you anywhere in L2. And we’ve done nothing but lose since he’s been in the defence.
He's worth nothing. No-one is ever going to pay money to take him off us.
This Olowu worship is truly mystifying.
Yeah just not good enough, be glad to see the back of Close when his contracts up at the end of the season also.
Close and Westbrooke are a decent combination if we can get a ball-winner alongside. Close will at least get on the ball and look to make things happen. With nothing in support, it's no wonder he struggles to last 90 minutes.
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How much is Olowu worth?
I’d probably look to cash in.
He has valuable attributes but defenders with the heart of a mouse aren’t going to get you anywhere in L2. And we’ve done nothing but lose since he’s been in the defence.
He's worth nothing. No-one is ever going to pay money to take him off us.
This Olowu worship is truly mystifying.
How am I or anyone else for that matter worshipping him? He is not a success here but has saleable attributes that some look for - pace and above average ability on the ball for this level.
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How much is Olowu worth?
I’d probably look to cash in.
He has valuable attributes but defenders with the heart of a mouse aren’t going to get you anywhere in L2. And we’ve done nothing but lose since he’s been in the defence.
He's worth nothing. No-one is ever going to pay money to take him off us.
This Olowu worship is truly mystifying.
How am I or anyone else for that matter worshipping him? He is not a success here but has saleable attributes that some look for - pace and above average ability on the ball for this level.
Billy saying he is desperate for olowu to succeed is the funniest post of the year
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How much is Olowu worth?
I’d probably look to cash in.
He has valuable attributes but defenders with the heart of a mouse aren’t going to get you anywhere in L2. And we’ve done nothing but lose since he’s been in the defence.
He's worth nothing. No-one is ever going to pay money to take him off us.
This Olowu worship is truly mystifying.
Yeah just not good enough, be glad to see the back of Close when his contracts up at the end of the season also.
Close and Westbrooke are a decent combination if we can get a ball-winner alongside. Close will at least get on the ball and look to make things happen. With nothing in support, it's no wonder he struggles to last 90 minutes.
Our midfield three needs to be Close, Westbrooke and Bailey. Build the team around that.
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Close and Westbrooke out of contract in summer. Neither of them has unsullied injury records.
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For interest, this was the squad McCann had at his disposal in his final game for us:
Marosi
Blair
Downing
Butler
Andrew
Kane
Rowe
Whiteman
Coppinger
Marquis
Wilks
Substitutes
Lawlor
Wright
Crawford
Anderson
Beestin
May
Sadlier
There isn’t a player in our current squad who get in that eleven Rowe was far better then. It shows how the level of our players have fallen.
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How much is Olowu worth?
I’d probably look to cash in.
He has valuable attributes but defenders with the heart of a mouse aren’t going to get you anywhere in L2. And we’ve done nothing but lose since he’s been in the defence.
He's worth nothing. No-one is ever going to pay money to take him off us.
This Olowu worship is truly mystifying.
How am I or anyone else for that matter worshipping him? He is not a success here but has saleable attributes that some look for - pace and above average ability on the ball for this level.
Billy saying he is desperate for olowu to succeed is the funniest post of the year
Yeah. You've got me.
Of course, what I actually want is for our players to fail so that I can sit here smug as f**k.
Jesus wept, the state of some people on here...
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I’d be looking at odoh and Cornelius from harrogate, Cornelius is just what we need in middle of the park
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How much is Olowu worth?
I’d probably look to cash in.
He has valuable attributes but defenders with the heart of a mouse aren’t going to get you anywhere in L2. And we’ve done nothing but lose since he’s been in the defence.
He's worth nothing. No-one is ever going to pay money to take him off us.
This Olowu worship is truly mystifying.
Yeah just not good enough, be glad to see the back of Close when his contracts up at the end of the season also.
Close and Westbrooke are a decent combination if we can get a ball-winner alongside. Close will at least get on the ball and look to make things happen. With nothing in support, it's no wonder he struggles to last 90 minutes.
My issue with Close is he's just not mobile enough and offers very little out of possession. I get that he can hurt teams with his passing ability if he's allowed time and space on the ball but pressure him and he becomes unable to affect games , which in L2 is something we can Ill afford. Westbrook on the other hand is a lot more dynamic and able to pick up the pockets which makes him a much better midfielder.
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How much is Olowu worth?
I’d probably look to cash in.
He has valuable attributes but defenders with the heart of a mouse aren’t going to get you anywhere in L2. And we’ve done nothing but lose since he’s been in the defence.
He's worth nothing. No-one is ever going to pay money to take him off us.
This Olowu worship is truly mystifying.
Yeah just not good enough, be glad to see the back of Close when his contracts up at the end of the season also.
Close and Westbrooke are a decent combination if we can get a ball-winner alongside. Close will at least get on the ball and look to make things happen. With nothing in support, it's no wonder he struggles to last 90 minutes.
My issue with Stock is he's just not mobile enough and offers very little out of possession. I get that he can hurt teams with his passing ability if he's allowed time and space on the ball but pressure him and he becomes unable to affect games , which in L2 is something we can Ill afford. Westbrook on the other hand is a lot more dynamic and able to pick up the pockets which makes him a much better midfielder.
Think his legs might have gone by now although he could still find a pass in the Legends game
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I’d be looking at odoh and Cornelius from harrogate, Cornelius is just what we need in middle of the park
Both contracted until summer 2025 so doubt very much we are going to be able to afford them.
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I’d be looking at odoh and Cornelius from harrogate, Cornelius is just what we need in middle of the park
I saw Odoh in Leeds Costco a few weeks ago funnily enough. He was Kayne Ramsay who’s probably their best player. Not a great fan of Cornelius although he’s only young and can improve.
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I’d be looking at odoh and Cornelius from harrogate, Cornelius is just what we need in middle of the park
I saw Odoh in Leeds Costco a few weeks ago funnily enough. He was Kayne Ramsay who’s probably their best player. Not a great fan of Cornelius although he’s only young and can improve.
Cornelius dominated our midfield in that opening fixture. Perhaps just better conditioning. That should be a January priority.
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Close exemplifies the dubious “team spirit”. He does not seem to be able to lift his own game if the team are not playing well. Real leaders can inspire their team mates. Captains like Stock and Jones could raise the spirits of those around them, but for me Close only started to show real quality when the team as a whole started to put a few results together earlier this season. Now we are in the doldrums, so is Close.
Consequently he must surely prove his worth game in, game out to earn a new deal after this one runs out.
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Close exemplifies the dubious “team spirit”. He does not seem to be able to lift his own game if the team are not playing well. Real leaders can inspire their team mates. Captains like Stock and Jones could raise the spirits of those around them, but for me Close only started to show real quality when the team as a whole started to put a few results together earlier this season. Now we are in the doldrums, so is Close.
Consequently he must surely prove his worth game in, game out to earn a new deal after this one runs out.
This is the problem
We have no leaders on the park. No one geeing anyone up. Quite the opposite. Heads go down. There will be major surgery done. GM will have learnt an awful lot in his 1st 6 months.
Will have been a massive culture shock from where he left it in May 2019.
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Does anyone else not feel we could be in a relegation battle with our fragile defence and the injury situation? Our midfields piss poor without Westbrook holding it together.
Christ, I hope Baldwin doesn't answer this, andyst79.
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A player like Tyler Smith would transform our attack.
Gone on loan to Barrow for rest of the season.
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Talking about mobility in midfield, does any body remember John Doolan for us, or Jan Molby for Liverpool? Classic midfielders who barely left the centre circle, but could ping a ball out to whoever was doing a run. Good players, just what we need.
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Talking about mobility in midfield, does any body remember John Doolan for us, or Jan Molby for Liverpool? Classic midfielders who barely left the centre circle, but could ping a ball out to whoever was doing a run. Good players, just what we need.
He was brilliant for us Doolan, loved him, & very underated I thought.