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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on December 16, 2023, 05:14:52 pm
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Shocking display, as stupid as it sounds they were there for the taking and we put a display like that in
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Embarrassing we gave a MOTM.
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This is what you get when you have,
A goalkeeper who doesn't instil confidence
Defenders who just can't defend,
Midfielders who can't pick a pass and move,
Attackers who don't show for the ball and have no strength.
I just knew it was going to one of those days when the new scoreboard kept revolving through the numbers on their side of the screen, it was just getting ready.
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This is what you get when you have,
A goalkeeper who doesn't instil confidence
Defenders who just can't defend,
Midfielders who can't pick a pass and move,
Attackers who don't show for the ball and have no strength.
I just knew it was going to one of those days when the new scoreboard kept revolving through the numbers on their side of the screen, it was just getting ready.
Ironside showed for it all afternoon. Biggins ignored him a lot.
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This is what you get when you have,
A goalkeeper who doesn't instil confidence
Defenders who just can't defend,
Midfielders who can't pick a pass and move,
Attackers who don't show for the ball and have no strength.
I just knew it was going to one of those days when the new scoreboard kept revolving through the numbers on their side of the screen, it was just getting ready.
Im sorry but Ironside and Faal just can't be picked on in my opinion. They are the only 2 who can be proud of what they have done so far. Both have been outstanding.
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This is what you get when you have,
A goalkeeper who doesn't instil confidence
Defenders who just can't defend,
Midfielders who can't pick a pass and move,
Attackers who don't show for the ball and have no strength.
I just knew it was going to one of those days when the new scoreboard kept revolving through the numbers on their side of the screen, it was just getting ready.
Ironside showed for it all afternoon. Biggins ignored him a lot.
Biggins is truly an awful footballer
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I cant believe what I have just watched. In my opinion we were playing with 7 men first half...Jones, Biggins, Hurst and Faal were all absolutely hopeless.
Don't mean to bang on about the goalie again but we had 2 out of contract keepers in the summer. We go and bring one in who everyone knew wasn't good enough and now he's sat on the bench behind a goalie who we also knew isn't good enough! Its a massive f**k up.
The rest of it you can look at injuries but that starting 11 should still have been better than that.
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This is what you get when you have,
A goalkeeper who doesn't instil confidence
Defenders who just can't defend,
Midfielders who can't pick a pass and move,
Attackers who don't show for the ball and have no strength.
I just knew it was going to one of those days when the new scoreboard kept revolving through the numbers on their side of the screen, it was just getting ready.
Im sorry but Ironside and Faal just can't be picked on in my opinion. They are the only 2 who can be proud of what they have done so far. Both have been outstanding.
Faal was very quite, had barely any touches and when he did he ran into cul-de-sac's.
Ironside, did what he usually does, lots of huff and puff with a couple of flick ons with no one picking them up, couple of efforts he had were poor and rushed and they both could of pulled their defenders around a great deal more, our insipid midfield had no movement to create anything, that's if they were capable which is very doubtful
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This is what you get when you have,
A goalkeeper who doesn't instil confidence
Defenders who just can't defend,
Midfielders who can't pick a pass and move,
Attackers who don't show for the ball and have no strength.
I just knew it was going to one of those days when the new scoreboard kept revolving through the numbers on their side of the screen, it was just getting ready.
Ironside showed for it all afternoon. Biggins ignored him a lot.
Biggins is truly an awful footballer
Would struggle in a National league side.
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So slow moving the ball forward, by time we got to final third they had 10 men behind ball. Then try and play through that treacle. Or hammer balls into box hoping to find Faal or Ironside. Neither worked.
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I cant believe what I have just watched. In my opinion we were playing with 7 men first half...Jones, Biggins, Hurst and Faal were all absolutely hopeless.
Don't mean to bang on about the goalie again but we had 2 out of contract keepers in the summer. We go and bring one in who everyone knew wasn't good enough and now he's sat on the bench behind a goalie who we also knew isn't good enough! Its a massive f**k up.
The rest of it you can look at injuries but that starting 11 should still have been better than that.
That last sentence sums it up.
Yes we have injuries, but we had a group of players available today who were far better than what we reduced to by the end of March last year.
We were shit then, but I never saw a performance as gutless and clueless as today's.
There are some serious questions to ask about the rot in this club. I'd start by asking why it is that every side we play against seems to have more energy, strength and aggression than we do.
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The Mighty Morecombe: bigger, faster, stronger, streetwise & 100% committed to winning - where are we at?
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Today was in a band of performances that Wellens, McSheffrey or Schofield turned out. Maybe marginally better but around the same type of half arsed, defensively naive, ponderous bullshit we’ve had shat onto the pitch the last three seasons. We’ve generally been on an upward curve this season but today was absolutely shocking.
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The ppg average has now dropped to 1.14. That’s 52 points come season unless there is a dramatic upturn in form . And for what it’s worth I think that’s where this team is at currently.
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Hurst and Biggins had potential and injuries have delayed their progress, but still they do not seem to have developed their abilities. What is the answer?
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Today was in a band of performances that Wellens, McSheffrey or Schofield turned out. Maybe marginally better but around the same type of half arsed, defensively naive, ponderous bullshit we’ve had shat onto the pitch the last three seasons. We’ve generally been on an upward curve this season but today was absolutely shocking.
I disagree. Today was as bad as the very worst of the past good many years.
It was 5. If it had been 8, it wouldn't have flattered them.
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I cant believe what I have just watched. In my opinion we were playing with 7 men first half...Jones, Biggins, Hurst and Faal were all absolutely hopeless.
Don't mean to bang on about the goalie again but we had 2 out of contract keepers in the summer. We go and bring one in who everyone knew wasn't good enough and now he's sat on the bench behind a goalie who we also knew isn't good enough! Its a massive f**k up.
The rest of it you can look at injuries but that starting 11 should still have been better than that.
Better keeper on the bench
The whole performance today was shocking, I’d go as far as saying they were the worst team Ive seen this season and they beat us 5-0
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Clueless from management and board
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I’m not going all Steve Bracknall but you look at Jones, Anderson and Olowu and there is no talking, no calls, no communication. It was so quiet today you could hear what was happening on the pitch and nobody was vocal and showing leadership. It’s a very poor defensive unit and we got totally taken apart by a bottom half League Two side with a below average away record. This was not away at Notts County or Stockport. Total embarassment.
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Hurst and Biggins had potential and injuries have delayed their progress, but still they do not seem to have developed their abilities. What is the answer?
Hurst and Biggins had potential and injuries have delayed their progress, but still they do not seem to have developed their abilities. What is the answer?
Think they have the ability, they don't have physicallity, fitness, or mentality. Time to be ruthless now, & theyr'e not the only 2. If we don't we will continue to languish in the lower reaches of league 2, no matter how good a manager we have.
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Hurst and Biggins had potential and injuries have delayed their progress, but still they do not seem to have developed their abilities. What is the answer?
Biggins is 28 in 3 months time. He should be clearly in his peak, not a player with potential.
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I cant believe what I have just watched. In my opinion we were playing with 7 men first half...Jones, Biggins, Hurst and Faal were all absolutely hopeless.
Don't mean to bang on about the goalie again but we had 2 out of contract keepers in the summer. We go and bring one in who everyone knew wasn't good enough and now he's sat on the bench behind a goalie who we also knew isn't good enough! Its a massive f**k up.
The rest of it you can look at injuries but that starting 11 should still have been better than that.
Better keeper on the bench
The whole performance today was shocking, I’d go as far as saying they were the worst team Ive seen this season and they beat us 5-0
He really isn't a better keeper. We just have two below average League Two keepers.
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Hurst and Biggins had potential and injuries have delayed their progress, but still they do not seem to have developed their abilities. What is the answer?
Biggins is 28 in 3 months time. He should be clearly in his peak, not a player with potential.
BIggins makes Broadbent look a massive miss.
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I cant believe what I have just watched. In my opinion we were playing with 7 men first half...Jones, Biggins, Hurst and Faal were all absolutely hopeless.
Don't mean to bang on about the goalie again but we had 2 out of contract keepers in the summer. We go and bring one in who everyone knew wasn't good enough and now he's sat on the bench behind a goalie who we also knew isn't good enough! Its a massive f**k up.
The rest of it you can look at injuries but that starting 11 should still have been better than that.
Better keeper on the bench
The whole performance today was shocking, I’d go as far as saying they were the worst team Ive seen this season and they beat us 5-0
He really isn't a better keeper. We just have two below average League Two keepers.
I’d be shocked if anybody disagrees with this.
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What happened to Kyle Hurst’s summer training camp? He’d struggle to hold off my miniature poodle.
Perhaps we could kill 2 birds with 1 stone and get Biggins pulling pints instead.
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I know Hurst has had injury issues this season and has barely played to get any sort of match fitness but just what has he been doing all year?
Why has he not worked on his core strength, this was picked out as something that he needed to do from last season to be in a position to progress.
No, point having all the skill in the world if your piss wet weak
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Pathetic, the club is heading into the abyss. McCann is merely a finger in the dyke.
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I’m not going all Steve Bracknall but you look at Jones, Anderson and Olowu and there is no talking, no calls, no communication. It was so quiet today you could hear what was happening on the pitch and nobody was vocal and showing leadership. It’s a very poor defensive unit and we got totally taken apart by a bottom half League Two side with a below average away record. This was not away at Notts County or Stockport. Total embarassment.
It’s a very valid point. Individually they have ability , but together they have very little . They don’t ply as a team . Or at least no where near where they should be .
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I cant believe what I have just watched. In my opinion we were playing with 7 men first half...Jones, Biggins, Hurst and Faal were all absolutely hopeless.
Don't mean to bang on about the goalie again but we had 2 out of contract keepers in the summer. We go and bring one in who everyone knew wasn't good enough and now he's sat on the bench behind a goalie who we also knew isn't good enough! Its a massive f**k up.
The rest of it you can look at injuries but that starting 11 should still have been better than that.
That last sentence sums it up.
Yes we have injuries, but we had a group of players available today who were far better than what we reduced to by the end of March last year.
We were shit then, but I never saw a performance as gutless and clueless as today's.
There are some serious questions to ask about the rot in this club. I'd start by asking why it is that every side we play against seems to have more energy, strength and aggression than we do.
The ppg average has now dropped to 1.14. That’s 52 points come season unless there is a dramatic upturn in form . And for what it’s worth I think that’s where this team is at currently.
The upturn since the first 7 games has been there for all to see. Today was dreadful but since the forest green game we’ve been in play off form.
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Biggins wasn’t ver good before he signed for us and he’s still not very good.
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The non existent midfield killed us today, they were able to just run straight through us at every chance it seemed
Bailey is no CM in my opinion, I know we were short there today and he filled in, but for 60 minutes he played on toms knee he was that deep.
It didn’t get any better, biggins, one of his worst preformances, probably played a little out of place, but should be capable of being box to box and doing a job.
Hurst, infective, touch terrible, weak on the ball.
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No interview from McCann yet….
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Shocking display, as stupid as it sounds they were there for the taking and we put a display like that in
So .. who or what is to blame ?
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I cant believe what I have just watched. In my opinion we were playing with 7 men first half...Jones, Biggins, Hurst and Faal were all absolutely hopeless.
Don't mean to bang on about the goalie again but we had 2 out of contract keepers in the summer. We go and bring one in who everyone knew wasn't good enough and now he's sat on the bench behind a goalie who we also knew isn't good enough! Its a massive f**k up.
The rest of it you can look at injuries but that starting 11 should still have been better than that.
That last sentence sums it up.
Yes we have injuries, but we had a group of players available today who were far better than what we reduced to by the end of March last year.
We were shit then, but I never saw a performance as gutless and clueless as today's.
There are some serious questions to ask about the rot in this club. I'd start by asking why it is that every side we play against seems to have more energy, strength and aggression than we do.
The ppg average has now dropped to 1.14. That’s 52 points come season unless there is a dramatic upturn in form . And for what it’s worth I think that’s where this team is at currently.
The upturn since the first 7 games has been there for all to see. Today was dreadful but since the forest green game we’ve been in play off form.
Such a deluded t**t as always
No need for that.
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I cant believe what I have just watched. In my opinion we were playing with 7 men first half...Jones, Biggins, Hurst and Faal were all absolutely hopeless.
Don't mean to bang on about the goalie again but we had 2 out of contract keepers in the summer. We go and bring one in who everyone knew wasn't good enough and now he's sat on the bench behind a goalie who we also knew isn't good enough! Its a massive f**k up.
The rest of it you can look at injuries but that starting 11 should still have been better than that.
That last sentence sums it up.
Yes we have injuries, but we had a group of players available today who were far better than what we reduced to by the end of March last year.
We were shit then, but I never saw a performance as gutless and clueless as today's.
There are some serious questions to ask about the rot in this club. I'd start by asking why it is that every side we play against seems to have more energy, strength and aggression than we do.
The ppg average has now dropped to 1.14. That’s 52 points come season unless there is a dramatic upturn in form . And for what it’s worth I think that’s where this team is at currently.
The upturn since the first 7 games has been there for all to see. Today was dreadful but since the forest green game we’ve been in play off form.
Such a deluded t**t as always
Ha ha
You muppet, no surprise you’re here again.
I know you’re not the brightest chap, but over the last 14 games we’ve got 22 points, which is playoff form.
It’s not that difficult to figure out really unless you’ve the intelligence of a toad like yourself.
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No interview from McCann yet….
He’s been on the radio
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No interview from McCann yet….
He’s been on the radio
What did he say as our media team aren’t as quick as normal?
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I hope those who say Close and Westbrooke don't do anything were watching today. Without them we can’t string three passes together.
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No interview from McCann yet….
He’s been on the radio
What did he say as our media team aren’t as quick as normal?
Worst performance of season, deserved to be booed etc etc
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Jones has been ok all season - I will give you today he wasn’t! However most goals today were not his fault, just really poor defending.
Biggins is not good enough, he is a midfield Omar bogle, runs up and down without touching the ball or having an impact on the game - does score the odd blinder, but not enough.
Centre backs - just appalling, I am lost for words how bad we have been in defence for the last few seasons.
The rest are a decent beginning of a team, but only if they do the basics. Today they were all void of pace, desire, movement - and only when the young lads came on did we show a small amount of desire, but by that time Morecambe had the cigars out, the keeper even put a smoking jacket on such was his confidence we wouldn’t score, even if we played for another week.
They were better than us in every position and they are a below average team in quality from what I could see.
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No interview from McCann yet….
I'm hoping they're still locked in the dressing room, so they can't pop off home & relax watching the strictly final. Get them training tomorrow aswell, make them realise this won't be accepted ever again under his management.
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I cant believe what I have just watched. In my opinion we were playing with 7 men first half...Jones, Biggins, Hurst and Faal were all absolutely hopeless.
Don't mean to bang on about the goalie again but we had 2 out of contract keepers in the summer. We go and bring one in who everyone knew wasn't good enough and now he's sat on the bench behind a goalie who we also knew isn't good enough! Its a massive f**k up.
The rest of it you can look at injuries but that starting 11 should still have been better than that.
That last sentence sums it up.
Yes we have injuries, but we had a group of players available today who were far better than what we reduced to by the end of March last year.
We were shit then, but I never saw a performance as gutless and clueless as today's.
There are some serious questions to ask about the rot in this club. I'd start by asking why it is that every side we play against seems to have more energy, strength and aggression than we do.
The ppg average has now dropped to 1.14. That’s 52 points come season unless there is a dramatic upturn in form . And for what it’s worth I think that’s where this team is at currently.
The upturn since the first 7 games has been there for all to see. Today was dreadful but since the forest green game we’ve been in play off form.
Folk keep going on about how good we have been if you exclude the first 7 games.
Let's follow the logic. I'm not keen on this "if you ignore the first seven, we've been in playoff form since". (We probably haven't quite. 22 points per 14 games probably won't hit the average required for the playoffs this year, but no matter, let's accept that.)
Question is, is it fair to divide the season into A Bad Start and A Good Rest? It all feels a bit conveniently arbitrary.
As it happens, the season to date divides into three groups of 7 games.
First 7 - 2 points
Second 7 - 15 points
Third 7 - 7 points.
So in fact, it's a bit of a stretch to say we've been in playoff form apart from a bad start. We've actually had one excellent run, sandwiched between two spells of bottom 4 form.
And here's the worry, of course. In that excellent spell, we won 9 points from sides in the current bottom 4, and the other 6 from sides who were then higher in the table, but who were at the start of serious nosedives in form. (A bit like us last year eh? Flattering to deceive initially, but really not very good.)
It worries me greatly. Looking at the results that way, we really haven't been in playoff form since the rocky start. We were flat track bullies for a brief period. And we've dropped back into poor form since.
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The table from 15th September has us 7th.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:league-two/daterange/fromdate:2023-Sep-15/todate:2024-Jun-01/type:home-and-away/
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The table from 15th September has us 7th.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:league-two/daterange/fromdate:2023-Sep-15/todate:2024-Jun-01/type:home-and-away/
It does.
But my point is that period splits in 2.
The table from 15 Sept to 21 Oct had us in 2nd place. Which was great.
But the table since then has us 4th bottom.
And yes, we have had injuries. But no worse than we had when the wheels came off last year. I don't think Schofield was a particularly strong manager. But I've always thought the criticism of him was way over the top. If he'd had a run that included the equal second worst home defeat in our post War history, coming not long after another home thumping against a team that is one of the weaker ones in our league, with the players available during that period, the criticisms would have rightly been very, very vocal.
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It’s irrelevant if it splits into two,
The fact of the matter is, that since our first win 3 months ago, we have been accruing points at a rate that would get us into the playoffs over a season.
All teams have up and down spells, but the first 7 games were an obvious period of adjustment and a new team. Since that time we have seen a drastic improvement in performance and results. That is pretty obvious
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It’s irrelevant if it splits into two,
The fact of the matter is, that since our first win 3 months ago, we have been accruing points at a rate that would get us into the playoffs over a season.
All teams have up and down spells, but the first 7 games were an obvious period of adjustment and a new team. Since that time we have seen a drastic improvement in performance and results. That is pretty obvious
Yes! But who have we won the overwhelming majority of those points against?!? In those 14 games, we have won 15 points in 5 games against sides currently in the bottom 7.
It's great that we won those. But in the other 9 games, our results have been
P9 W2 D1 L6 F6 A15 PTS7
THAT'S the point some of us are trying to make.
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
You really don’t like any kind of deep analysis other than scratching the surface, do you? That’s probably why your arguments get blown to pieces
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I would love us to be in the top half of the table at the end of next month, will that happen,? nobody knows right now.
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
You really don’t like any kind of deep analysis other than scratching the surface, do you? That’s probably why your arguments get blown to pieces
Deep analysis ha ha
It’s a very simple analysis, we started the season off very poor and we’ve improved significantly over the last 3 months.
It’s very simple really,
My argument hasn’t been blown to pieces, there’s just folk like yourself who just love to search for negativity,
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
You really don’t like any kind of deep analysis other than scratching the surface, do you? That’s probably why your arguments get blown to pieces
Deep analysis ha ha
It’s a very simple analysis, we started the season off very poor and we’ve improved significantly over the last 3 months.
It’s very simple really,
My argument hasn’t been blown to pieces, there’s just folk like yourself who just love to search for negativity,
But by the same token, we have got worse over the past 2 months. In the past 2 months, we’ve got 10 points from 8 games (and 7 from the last 7). This is against some pretty modest sides and only one in the current top 7. Our results and performances definitely improved, but since then they’ve dropped off that level - do you not find that concerning?
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Close should be fit for Friday McCann said.
Broadbent is categorically better than Biggins but he’s out for 6 weeks.
We need a playmaker in January in the middle of the pitch or we are in big trouble.
I would try going back to 4-3-3 with Sterry (he can actually cross unlike Nixon) and Molyneux on the right and Senior and a new signing on the left.
McCann made a big cock up signing Sotona (Gaz was right - a Reo style gamble) and Tyler Roberts so had to change the system.
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Hurst wasn’t great yesterday but in a 433 he should be a candidate for the left. For some reason played on right yesterday in first half.
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Too much trying to prove or disprove a point for the sake of an argument here when dickos1 comments are generally true.
We have improved as the season has progressed but whilst we recognised we're still short of the finished article, there was evidence we were moving in the right direction. The injuries started to clear up and we were commenting how much stronger the bench was looking.
Then, within no time at all, that has flipped again, with further injuries and the news of the players that could be out for the rest of the season.
Nobody in their right mind would be thinking these further absences going into a busy period wouldn't affect performances when once again, we're stretching the squad and McCann is patching up. We hope we can dig in and might get away with it and keep pace with teams around us to limit the damage.
Yesterday was one of those cruel games where those hopes of getting away with it, were exposed when those weaknesses were laid bare for all to see.
Unfortunately it's not new, all of our recent managers have suffered similarly. When the wheels fall off, it's extremely difficult to get them back on and rolling again when confidence takes a hit. Even Pep suffers with injuries. Players are not robots that can be easily replaced. Players are inconsistent etc.
It's not too long ago with a similar situation when the likes of Matt Smith and Ethan Galbraith found themselves shouldering the burden in midfield game after game when their more experienced team mates were on the treatment table. It's not sustainable.
We've just got to hope McCann can get these boys to respond and not get too down and into a losing rut.
Next Friday will be a huge test for everyone after yesterday, including the fans getting behind the team to support them through this.
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I hope Grant is laying into them this morning on their cancelled day off, some home truths need to be told to certain players, and the whole squad needs to man up and get a nasty streak instead of rolling over and having their belly’s tickled
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Tactics yesterday were a bit of a mystery. Given the absence of a midfield I think the plan was to hit long balls early up to Ironside and Faal. But these were poor balls often and as nobody was running with or past them, if they did connect there was nobody anywhere near them. Mystery why no wide player once managed to get past Faal or Ironside the entire game. Then our set pieces when we had them were absolutely dire.
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Just poor execution of the plan and finding ourselves a goal down on 7 mins.
Next 20 mins trying to get back in the game and could have easily been level when Faal blazed wide. These moments are huge as we know.
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Rovers need to urgently address the terrible quality of crossing, both in open play and from dead ball situations - it's been a factor in our under achieving all season long so far.
All through the first half Morecambe were wide open at the back, Mo and Joe were in the right places but we either under hit or over hit every ball in to them, Sterry appears to be the only one capable of hitting a red shirt in Maxwell's absence.
Without central midfielders who can play - and when teams sit back this weakness is killing us game after game.
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Bizarrely as it seems, there are some positives:
1. We are dredging around the bottom depths of League Two and have just had an appalling hammering at home, yet nobody is calling for McCann to go or even really questioning him. That absence of pressure on him and the board is a real bonus. He’s a good manager and will deliver.
2. While there are some big spending clubs certainly, if we get our act remotely together at any stage, we should all things being equal given resources, become competitive very quickly.
3. It doesn’t account for everything but a large part of our failures this season has come from injury shitshow. We’d be much better with a squad fitness around the average for this league.
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Bizarrely as it seems, there are some positives:
1. We are dredging around the bottom depths of League Two and have just had an appalling hammering at home, yet nobody is calling for McCann to go or even really questioning him. That absence of pressure on him and the board is a real bonus. He’s a good manager and will deliver.
2. While there are some big spending clubs certainly, if we get our act remotely together at any stage, we should all things being equal given resources, become competitive very quickly.
3. It doesn’t account for everything but a large part of our failures this season has come from injury shitshow. We’d be much better with a squad fitness around the average for this league.
Would agree with all that. I don't think McCann will have been presented with any new problems yesterday, as all our weaknesses were compounded in one match.
It doesn't really change the direction he wants to go, just cements his assessment of one or two players who he knows have limited shelf life. Unfortunately though, he still needs them in the short term.
Berating McCann, or starting to get on his back is the last thing we need. Whilst he may not be the messiah, he's as near as we're going to get.
We have to hope he's convinced the board to continue to support him in the direction he wants to go in the meeting he had on Thursday. However, it's still down to him to find a way of convincing players to come to this club, particularly if they have other options. That's simply not just down to money in January (unless we're prepared to pay over the odds, in terms of wages and/or contract length etc.)
He's not daft, so he'll know what's realistic and what isn't.
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It’s difficult as a supporter to write a season off before Christmas fixtures especially given the sh**e we’ve had to endure the previous two & a half seasons, but best we can realistically hope for, given the ongoing injuries, is mid table.
Then we ‘re-boot’ for next season by not renewing certain contracts, addressing our shocking defence (including keepers) buying a Joe Laidlaw, Alan Little, Paul Keegan type midfielder & recruiting good loanees.
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
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I questioned GM on another post yesterday. A couple more defeats and I think it will need looking at. Is he upto the job of motivating the players because yesterday he wasn’t. He was sat down a lot which is unusual for him. Are the players not playing for him? Didn’t look like it yesterday. Are things behind the scenes not great
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I questioned GM on another post yesterday. A couple more defeats and I think it will need looking at. Is he upto the job of motivating the players because yesterday he wasn’t. He was sat down a lot which is unusual for him. Are the players not playing for him? Didn’t look like it yesterday. Are things behind the scenes not great
Then he needs to bring in a group who are willing to play for him, were not constantly gonna sack managers and give the same players who have failed previously new contracts.
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
You are right bst. The ppg is sobering.
Unbelievable that some still talk of the top seven and where rovers are in Relation to them, in some vain hope that 7th is achievable. Its real fantasy stuff.
For rovers to achieve the level that 7th are currently and assuming 7th place, come season end, will accrue 70 points; then rovers will have to go on a run, from now, that averages 1.84 ppg. That just isn’t going to happen. Thats auto promo form.
Rovers will finish the season on between 50 and 60 points. They are not a cohesive team at all, and by god it shows.
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It’s irrelevant if it splits into two,
The fact of the matter is, that since our first win 3 months ago, we have been accruing points at a rate that would get us into the playoffs over a season.
All teams have up and down spells, but the first 7 games were an obvious period of adjustment and a new team. Since that time we have seen a drastic improvement in performance and results. That is pretty obvious
Yes! But who have we won the overwhelming majority of those points against?!? In those 14 games, we have won 15 points in 5 games against sides currently in the bottom 7.
It's great that we won those. But in the other 9 games, our results have been
P9 W2 D1 L6 F6 A15 PTS7
THAT'S the point some of us are trying to make.
Billy. Do you think McCann should be sacked?
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
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Why don’t you’s just have the bet, top half end of Jan? As dickos proposed?
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
Your belief is that we can get 16 points from the following run of 8 games?
Doncaster v Bradford
Notts Co v Doncaster
Mansfield v Doncaster
Doncaster v MK Dons
Harrogate v Doncaster
Doncaster v Newport Co
Bradford v Doncaster
Doncaster v Stockport
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It’s irrelevant if it splits into two,
The fact of the matter is, that since our first win 3 months ago, we have been accruing points at a rate that would get us into the playoffs over a season.
All teams have up and down spells, but the first 7 games were an obvious period of adjustment and a new team. Since that time we have seen a drastic improvement in performance and results. That is pretty obvious
Yes! But who have we won the overwhelming majority of those points against?!? In those 14 games, we have won 15 points in 5 games against sides currently in the bottom 7.
It's great that we won those. But in the other 9 games, our results have been
P9 W2 D1 L6 F6 A15 PTS7
THAT'S the point some of us are trying to make.
Billy. Do you think McCann should be sacked?
Nope. But given the support he had on rebuilding the squad, I think we have significantly under achieved so far. And I think if Schofield had returned 24 points from 21 games with this squad, he'd have to barricade himself in his house.
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Notts County are in terrible form. MK aren’t anything special either.
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McCann is still heavily hamstrung by the two years of club mismanagement prior to his appointment. Sure he was given an improved budget but he is still left with the large majority of the playing squad still under contract and recruited by an evidently not fit for purpose selection process. A group of players lacking footballing quality, physical robustness and mental strength. Add to that a fitness conditioning team and physio team each failing dismally in their respective roles.
There remains an awful lot of behind the scenes improvement yet to be done before we can expect to see consistency in on-field performance and results. It cannot be done overnight however much we all would like.
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Ludicrous for anyone to lay the bulk of the blame at McCann's door.
I sincerely hope the club don't make a scapegoat out of McCann for their own missteps. (i.e. hiring managers with very little experience in the past!)
Another manager isn't going to get anything better out of our current crop of players.
If you had Schofield or McSheffrey in charge of this lot. Yesterday's result could of been 0-8 or 0-10!
The board need to stick by McCann and give him the tools to turn things around. It is proving to be a mammoth task, but anyone who thought 1 season would be enough to turn this all around is deluded.
Pep Guardiola would struggle managing this team.
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
Your belief is that we can get 16 points from the following run of 8 games?
Doncaster v Bradford
Notts Co v Doncaster
Mansfield v Doncaster
Doncaster v MK Dons
Harrogate v Doncaster
Doncaster v Newport Co
Bradford v Doncaster
Doncaster v Stockport
Yes!
Dear me it’s not that difficult is it?
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I think what this has shown is that just throwing money at it isn't going to get us to where we want to be. There needs to be a lot more thought and better quality decision making going into the recruitment, and possibly the medical side as well.
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I think all it shows is transforming a failing squad is going to take more than a few months
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Ludicrous for anyone to lay the bulk of the blame at McCann's door.
I sincerely hope the club don't make a scapegoat out of McCann for their own missteps. (i.e. hiring managers with very little experience in the past!)
Another manager isn't going to get anything better out of our current crop of players.
If you had Schofield or McSheffrey in charge of this lot. Yesterday's result could of been 0-8 or 0-10!
The board need to stick by McCann and give him the tools to turn things around. It is proving to be a mammoth task, but anyone who thought 1 season would be enough to turn this all around is deluded.
Pep Guardiola would struggle managing this team.
And yet...
We never did lose 0-5 when those two ran the team and had significantly weaker squads to select from.
So I really don't understand how you come to that conclusion.
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
Your belief is that we can get 16 points from the following run of 8 games?
Doncaster v Bradford
Notts Co v Doncaster
Mansfield v Doncaster
Doncaster v MK Dons
Harrogate v Doncaster
Doncaster v Newport Co
Bradford v Doncaster
Doncaster v Stockport
Yes!
Dear me it’s not that difficult is it?
One to return to in 6 weeks I think.
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I think all it shows is transforming a failing squad is going to take more than a few months
I absolutely agree with that point Dickos and think we're on the same page. I think it was always going to take time, and I don't think Terry's money on its own was ever going to make all the difference, especially not quickly.
That performance yesterday was disgraceful. Pro footballers like Anderson, Biggins, Molyneux, Ironside and Senior, who aren't spring chickens and have a decent level of experience under their belt, should be embarrassed with themselves.
I'm one of McCann's biggest advocates and really do believe in him, but I think he let himself down yesterday as well, because I think he let his heart rule his head with those changes. Chucking Goodman and Kuleya into that situation and subbing some of our more effective players out of anger/frustration made us even worse IMO and won't have done anything for the young lads' confidence.
But I don't put the blame with McCann for the overall situation we find ourselves in. I'm sure given the time and resources he will improve us. I think there was a feeling in the summer that spending more money would be like waving a magic wand and turn us around overnight. I hope the club are learning lessons from how that has turned out. As always in football, money is a factor, but time, patience and good decision making are equally important, and it seems to me that as a club we are learning that the hard way.
Some of the signings we've made and the contracts given out to existing players tells me we are a long way off nailing the "good decision making" part. I don't think we will get back to where we all feel we should be until that changes.
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Ludicrous for anyone to lay the bulk of the blame at McCann's door.
I sincerely hope the club don't make a scapegoat out of McCann for their own missteps. (i.e. hiring managers with very little experience in the past!)
Another manager isn't going to get anything better out of our current crop of players.
If you had Schofield or McSheffrey in charge of this lot. Yesterday's result could of been 0-8 or 0-10!
The board need to stick by McCann and give him the tools to turn things around. It is proving to be a mammoth task, but anyone who thought 1 season would be enough to turn this all around is deluded.
Pep Guardiola would struggle managing this team.
And yet...
We never did lose 0-5 when those two ran the team and had significantly weaker squads to select from.
So I really don't understand how you come to that conclusion.
Not sure why you have this vendetta against McCann but it’s very tiresome
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Do you think McCann should be sacked, Billy?
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He needs to stop playing a 3 at the back
Senior is not a centre back
Back 4 of Nixon, Anderson Bailey, Senior
Olowu is going backwards and needs at least a spell out of the firing line. If he does play then put and Bailey in midfield instead of either Broadbent or Biggins
Midfield is a real worry without Westbrooke who has been our best one this season.
Assuming Close is fit
Then Close, Broadbent and or Biggins it has to be as no one else. Bailey in midfield if Olowu plays
Molyneux a free role behind front 2 of Faal & Ironside.
The problem is Bailey has held our defence together. As shown yesterday of you have a 3 at back Bailey is a must.
The evidence is stark. 0-5
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Ludicrous for anyone to lay the bulk of the blame at McCann's door.
I sincerely hope the club don't make a scapegoat out of McCann for their own missteps. (i.e. hiring managers with very little experience in the past!)
Another manager isn't going to get anything better out of our current crop of players.
If you had Schofield or McSheffrey in charge of this lot. Yesterday's result could of been 0-8 or 0-10!
The board need to stick by McCann and give him the tools to turn things around. It is proving to be a mammoth task, but anyone who thought 1 season would be enough to turn this all around is deluded.
Pep Guardiola would struggle managing this team.
And yet...
We never did lose 0-5 when those two ran the team and had significantly weaker squads to select from.
So I really don't understand how you come to that conclusion.
Not sure why you have this vendetta against McCann but it’s very tiresome
I don't have a vendetta against McCann. But equally, I don't think he's everything some fans think him to be.
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Do you think McCann should be sacked, Billy?
I've answered that once already. Why are you asking me again?
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I missed your response. Apologies.
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I missed your response. Apologies.
No worries.
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Ludicrous for anyone to lay the bulk of the blame at McCann's door.
I sincerely hope the club don't make a scapegoat out of McCann for their own missteps. (i.e. hiring managers with very little experience in the past!)
Another manager isn't going to get anything better out of our current crop of players.
If you had Schofield or McSheffrey in charge of this lot. Yesterday's result could of been 0-8 or 0-10!
The board need to stick by McCann and give him the tools to turn things around. It is proving to be a mammoth task, but anyone who thought 1 season would be enough to turn this all around is deluded.
Pep Guardiola would struggle managing this team.
And yet...
We never did lose 0-5 when those two ran the team and had significantly weaker squads to select from.
So I really don't understand how you come to that conclusion.
Not sure why you have this vendetta against McCann but it’s very tiresome
Some supporters think having a revolving door of managers will sort out our problems I think dickos. Newsflash - it won't!
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He needs to stop playing a 3 at the back
Senior is not a centre back
Back 4 of Nixon, Anderson Bailey, Senior
Olowu is going backwards and needs at least a spell out of the firing line. If he does play then put and Bailey in midfield instead of either Broadbent or Biggins
Midfield is a real worry without Westbrooke who has been our best one this season.
Assuming Close is fit
Then Close, Broadbent and or Biggins it has to be as no one else. Bailey in midfield if Olowu plays
Molyneux a free role behind front 2 of Faal & Ironside.
The problem is Bailey has held our defence together. As shown yesterday of you have a 3 at back Bailey is a must.
The evidence is stark. 0-5
Broadbent is injured, out for 6 weeks
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Analysis, shanalysis.
Grant’s the man. Granted (no pun intended), it’s going to be a much longer rebuild than I think any of us thought it would be, but sometimes that’s the best way - long term and all that.
Barring a miracle, we will be a L2 club next season, but one that after two more transfer windows, Grant will have the squad he thinks he needs.
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The problem we have is that the best centre back we have is Bailey, a midfielder. I don’t think we can seriously trust Anderson and Olowu to handle Cook or indeed any half competent physical striker, so Bailey will have to babysit them. That means that even in best case scenario and Close is fit, we are going to call on Biggins again in midfield. This is already looking very difficult.
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Hurst wasn’t great yesterday but in a 433 he should be a candidate for the left. For some reason played on right yesterday in first half.
We don’t have much better but it allows Mo or Joe a rest with the fixtures piling up.
But Hurst isn’t half as good as most of our fan base think he is. He’s been poor since he signed his new contract last year.
His performance yesterday was the most lightweight performance I’ve seen in some time. He’s 21 but looked like a 17 year old Papa John’s trophy academy player out there.
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One position is key to a decent defence. A confident decisive goalkeeper would remove one worry that the defensive players have to work with. A goalkeeper needs to be a strong athlete with quick reactions. The fact is that for all 5 goals Jones could have done better.
He only got into the team because Lawlor was injured and although Lawlor is not perfect he is at least confident and athletic.
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He needs to stop playing a 3 at the back
Senior is not a centre back
Back 4 of Nixon, Anderson Bailey, Senior
Olowu is going backwards and needs at least a spell out of the firing line. If he does play then put and Bailey in midfield instead of either Broadbent or Biggins
Midfield is a real worry without Westbrooke who has been our best one this season.
Assuming Close is fit
Then Close, Broadbent and or Biggins it has to be as no one else. Bailey in midfield if Olowu plays
Molyneux a free role behind front 2 of Faal & Ironside.
The problem is Bailey has held our defence together. As shown yesterday of you have a 3 at back Bailey is a must.
The evidence is stark. 0-5
Broadbent is injured, out for 6 weeks
I even said that myself Filo in another post. :facepalm:
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
Your belief is that we can get 16 points from the following run of 8 games?
Doncaster v Bradford
Notts Co v Doncaster
Mansfield v Doncaster
Doncaster v MK Dons
Harrogate v Doncaster
Doncaster v Newport Co
Bradford v Doncaster
Doncaster v Stockport
Yes!
Dear me it’s not that difficult is it?
One to return to in 6 weeks I think.
16 points now required from 7 games. That’s 2.28ppg.
Repeat 2.28ppg over a season and that’s 104 points.
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Ppg is now just 1.09.
Just think about that.
Defeats to county and Mansfield will drop this below 1ppg.
In any normal season that relegation form.
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May be just me, but I see inly 4 points coming from that run of 7 games.
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
Your belief is that we can get 16 points from the following run of 8 games?
Doncaster v Bradford
Notts Co v Doncaster
Mansfield v Doncaster
Doncaster v MK Dons
Harrogate v Doncaster
Doncaster v Newport Co
Bradford v Doncaster
Doncaster v Stockport
Yes!
Dear me it’s not that difficult is it?
One to return to in 6 weeks I think.
16 points now required from 7 games. That’s 2.28ppg.
Repeat 2.28ppg over a season and that’s 104 points.
16 points now required from 6 games at 2.66 ppg. That's form that over a season would deliver 123 points.
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Looking at that list now , I can’t see any points coming except perhaps
A lucky draw or two
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
Your belief is that we can get 16 points from the following run of 8 games?
Doncaster v Bradford
Notts Co v Doncaster
Mansfield v Doncaster
Doncaster v MK Dons
Harrogate v Doncaster
Doncaster v Newport Co
Bradford v Doncaster
Doncaster v Stockport
Yes!
Dear me it’s not that difficult is it?
One to return to in 6 weeks I think.
16 points now required from 7 games. That’s 2.28ppg.
Repeat 2.28ppg over a season and that’s 104 points.
16 points now required from 6 games at 2.66 ppg. That's form that over a season would deliver 123 points.
15 points now required from 5 games, meaning Rovers would have to go on a 5 game winning run to reach this points total. Ppg is now 3, equivalent of 138 points over a season.
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Original Post title….
Not tonight
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Original Post title….
Not tonight
Try ‘fleshing’ that comment out a tad!
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
Your belief is that we can get 16 points from the following run of 8 games?
Doncaster v Bradford
Notts Co v Doncaster
Mansfield v Doncaster
Doncaster v MK Dons
Harrogate v Doncaster
Doncaster v Newport Co
Bradford v Doncaster
Doncaster v Stockport
Yes!
Dear me it’s not that difficult is it?
One to return to in 6 weeks I think.
16 points now required from 7 games. That’s 2.28ppg.
Repeat 2.28ppg over a season and that’s 104 points.
16 points now required from 6 games at 2.66 ppg. That's form that over a season would deliver 123 points.
15 points now required from 5 games, meaning Rovers would have to go on a 5 game winning run to reach this points total. Ppg is now 3, equivalent of 138 points over a season.
5 games into this 8 game run, Rovers have accrued 4 points.
With there being now only 9 possible points left to win from this 8 game run, it is no longer possible for Rovers to achieve 16 points.
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
Your belief is that we can get 16 points from the following run of 8 games?
Doncaster v Bradford
Notts Co v Doncaster
Mansfield v Doncaster
Doncaster v MK Dons
Harrogate v Doncaster
Doncaster v Newport Co
Bradford v Doncaster
Doncaster v Stockport
Yes!
Dear me it’s not that difficult is it?
One to return to in 6 weeks I think.
16 points now required from 7 games. That’s 2.28ppg.
Repeat 2.28ppg over a season and that’s 104 points.
16 points now required from 6 games at 2.66 ppg. That's form that over a season would deliver 123 points.
15 points now required from 5 games, meaning Rovers would have to go on a 5 game winning run to reach this points total. Ppg is now 3, equivalent of 138 points over a season.
5 games into this 8 game run, Rovers have accrued 4 points.
With there being now only 9 possible points left to win from this 8 game run, it is no longer possible for Rovers to achieve 16 points.
Lol
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
Your belief is that we can get 16 points from the following run of 8 games?
Doncaster v Bradford
Notts Co v Doncaster
Mansfield v Doncaster
Doncaster v MK Dons
Harrogate v Doncaster
Doncaster v Newport Co
Bradford v Doncaster
Doncaster v Stockport
Yes!
Dear me it’s not that difficult is it?
One to return to in 6 weeks I think.
16 points now required from 7 games. That’s 2.28ppg.
Repeat 2.28ppg over a season and that’s 104 points.
16 points now required from 6 games at 2.66 ppg. That's form that over a season would deliver 123 points.
15 points now required from 5 games, meaning Rovers would have to go on a 5 game winning run to reach this points total. Ppg is now 3, equivalent of 138 points over a season.
5 games into this 8 game run, Rovers have accrued 4 points.
With there being now only 9 possible points left to win from this 8 game run, it is no longer possible for Rovers to achieve 16 points.
6 games into this 8 game run, Rovers have accrued 4 points. The most that Rovers could possibly get from this run now would be 10 points, some 8 points shy of 18 points.
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1.03 ppg. That’s 47 points come season end if it doesn’t improve
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My faith in McCann has just gone in that performance. Shouldnt take this long to get a team to spark and weve shown no improvement over the course of the season. 12pts lost to Harrogate and Newport. Lets just just stop putting complete blame on the players. That was as bad as anything last season.
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My faith in McCann has just gone in that performance. Shouldnt take this long to get a team to spark and weve shown no improvement over the course of the season. 12pts lost to Harrogate and Newport. Lets just just stop putting complete blame on the players. That was as bad as anything last season.
Not being there today i cant really comment on the performance BUT looking at the stats alone they make a lot better reading than a majority of last seasons performances.
I still think Mc Cann will come good & dont think we’ll be able to attract a better manager to DRFC
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My faith in McCann has just gone in that performance. Shouldnt take this long to get a team to spark and weve shown no improvement over the course of the season. 12pts lost to Harrogate and Newport. Lets just just stop putting complete blame on the players. That was as bad as anything last season.
How can u say it was as bad as last season?
The build up today was a bit slow but was still miles better than last year and we were the better team again. We created more chances today than we did in 3/4 games last season.
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My faith in McCann has just gone in that performance. Shouldnt take this long to get a team to spark and weve shown no improvement over the course of the season. 12pts lost to Harrogate and Newport. Lets just just stop putting complete blame on the players. That was as bad as anything last season.
How can u say it was as bad as last season?
The build up today was a bit slow but was still miles better than last year and we were the better team again. We created more chances today than we did in 3/4 games last season.
How do we compare to last season at this point ??
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Has the internet gone down in dickos house ?! :kiss:
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
Your belief is that we can get 16 points from the following run of 8 games?
Doncaster v Bradford
Notts Co v Doncaster
Mansfield v Doncaster
Doncaster v MK Dons
Harrogate v Doncaster
Doncaster v Newport Co
Bradford v Doncaster
Doncaster v Stockport
Yes!
Dear me it’s not that difficult is it?
One to return to in 6 weeks I think.
16 points now required from 7 games. That’s 2.28ppg.
Repeat 2.28ppg over a season and that’s 104 points.
16 points now required from 6 games at 2.66 ppg. That's form that over a season would deliver 123 points.
15 points now required from 5 games, meaning Rovers would have to go on a 5 game winning run to reach this points total. Ppg is now 3, equivalent of 138 points over a season.
5 games into this 8 game run, Rovers have accrued 4 points.
With there being now only 9 possible points left to win from this 8 game run, it is no longer possible for Rovers to achieve 16 points.
6 games into this 8 game run, Rovers have accrued 4 points. The most that Rovers could possibly get from this run now would be 10 points, some 8 points shy of 18 points.
7 games into this 8 game run, Rovers have racked up 4 points.
The most that it is now possible to get from this run would be 7 points, if we won the rearranged Bradford City game. Even if that did happen, those 7 points would be less than half the predicted 16 points from this run.
As it stands with 1 game of this run to go, we have only 25pc of the predicted 16 point haul from this run.
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We are crumbling like previous seasons. Not gaining momentum!
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In recent years we have been notoriously bad in the second half of the season.
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My faith in McCann has just gone in that performance. Shouldnt take this long to get a team to spark and weve shown no improvement over the course of the season. 12pts lost to Harrogate and Newport. Lets just just stop putting complete blame on the players. That was as bad as anything last season.
Not being there today i cant really comment on the performance BUT looking at the stats alone they make a lot better reading than a majority of last seasons performances.
I still think Mc Cann will come good & dont think we’ll be able to attract a better manager to DRFC
Stats eh!
It was terrible, but pretty much identical to many games in last 3 years, so nothing new to us really.
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It’s just rubbish trying to say we only won games against teams struggling especially when looking back at games.
Swindon and Gillingham were top 3 when we played them, they’re not anymore.
We’ve also lost to Stockport, Crewe, barrow, Wrexham, by the odd goal in games that could’ve easily gone either way, that’s 4 of the top 5.
So to suggest we’re not improving is nonsense.
Let’s see where we are at the end of jan and I’ll have a wager with you that we’re in the top half
Err. You're REALLY betting that we'll be in the top half by the end of January?
Looking at average PPG, it's likely that we'll need to have 42-43 points for that to happen.
That means we would need to win 18-19 points out of the next possible 24.
We play Mansfield, Notts County, Stockport, Bradford (twice), Harrogate, MK Dons and Newport. Every one of them above us in the league. So far this season, even before our current injury problems, we've won 9 points out of a possible 48 against sides currently above us in the league?
How much are you betting?
Ok, I think we will have around 40 points come the end of jan. Whether that gets us into the top half or not nobody knows but it will be close
You reckon we are going to pick up 16 points from the next 8 games?
Why keep arguing about something that has yet to happen.
Yes I think we can get 16 points from the next 8 games, you’re entitled to disagree but you can’t argue something that’s yet to happen as fact
Your belief is that we can get 16 points from the following run of 8 games?
Doncaster v Bradford
Notts Co v Doncaster
Mansfield v Doncaster
Doncaster v MK Dons
Harrogate v Doncaster
Doncaster v Newport Co
Bradford v Doncaster
Doncaster v Stockport
Yes!
Dear me it’s not that difficult is it?
One to return to in 6 weeks I think.
16 points now required from 7 games. That’s 2.28ppg.
Repeat 2.28ppg over a season and that’s 104 points.
16 points now required from 6 games at 2.66 ppg. That's form that over a season would deliver 123 points.
15 points now required from 5 games, meaning Rovers would have to go on a 5 game winning run to reach this points total. Ppg is now 3, equivalent of 138 points over a season.
5 games into this 8 game run, Rovers have accrued 4 points.
With there being now only 9 possible points left to win from this 8 game run, it is no longer possible for Rovers to achieve 16 points.
6 games into this 8 game run, Rovers have accrued 4 points. The most that Rovers could possibly get from this run now would be 10 points, some 8 points shy of 18 points.
7 games into this 8 game run, Rovers have racked up 4 points.
The most that it is now possible to get from this run would be 7 points, if we won the rearranged Bradford City game. Even if that did happen, those 7 points would be less than half the predicted 16 points from this run.
As it stands with 1 game of this run to go, we have only 25pc of the predicted 16 point haul from this run.
The results are now all in….
From this 8 game sequence Rovers ended up with….5 points.
This was 31pc of the predicted 16 point haul from this run. Or if you like, nearly 70pc wrong.
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Where is your final analysis of the more recent 10 game prediction.
What is the percentage of that one
I’ll wait
You don’t seem as happy to post on that thread.
Commenting like this minutes after a game just about sums u up.