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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Canadian Rover on December 23, 2023, 12:11:24 pm
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This isn't intended to be a hate on Joe thread, more of a question really. I personally think he suffers from a lack of positioning and consistency in decision making but he has lots of great attributes. Do you think he would be better at full back? He'd be good physically and has a lot of pace and his mistakes or lapses in concentration would be less costly to the team in my opinion.
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
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He's still only a young lad and would benefit considerably from being alongside a no-nonsense centre-back who actually won his own battles.
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Unfortunately he hasn't progressed. He has a lot of attributes that should make him a good defender but he just doesn't improve. I think he's had one good game this season.
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
Absolutely 100%
Cook's movement for their first goal is identical to most of his goals - why does Tom chase him around when all he has to do is head for the 6 yard box corner and wait for him ?? - and then when he does go up for it it's all too powder puff.
Contrast Tom with their No 5 ??
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This isn't intended to be a hate on Joe thread, more of a question really. I personally think he suffers from a lack of positioning and consistency in decision making but he has lots of great attributes. Do you think he would be better at full back? He'd be good physically and has a lot of pace and his mistakes or lapses in concentration would be less costly to the team in my opinion.
He played at right back while on loan at Wealdstone
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He is a far better than Tom Anderson but always seems to get the criticism while Anderson gets away with it. As the senior defender Anderson should be the strong point of our defence. I would consider playing Bailey in the middle of the back 3/4 alongside Joe.
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He is a far better than Tom Anderson but always seems to get the criticism while Anderson gets away with it. As the senior defender Anderson should be the strong point of our defence. I would consider playing Bailey in the middle of the back 3/4 alongside Joe.
His all round game is quite good but he makes so many mistakes and costs us games. He's imo a worse defender than RSW was. He got stick for mistakes but oluwu is worse. We need better centre halves than both to challenge.
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He'd be better playing the right side of 2 CBS don't think this 3 works especially for him
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I saw, him pull out of a 50/50 at Peterborough. Absolutely no excuse for that what so ever and he went down in my estimation for that.
We need proper mesters and he failed.
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Not strong enough for me, gets easily turned and distracted when he needs to have his man under control. Passing and control is not the best, usually resulting in loosing the ball.
The bit between the ears lets him down on a regular basis, makes far to many costly mistakes due to a lack of concentration/awareness, then it affects him for the rest of the match resulting in more mistakes.
Might do better if partnered with a commanding, leader type, a younger version of Woods, do we have one?
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
He really, really doesn't cover for Anderson.
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Lets not make excuses for him. He is a car crash waiting to happen in every game. He gets caught on the ball because he is p!ss poor on it, positioning is baffling and he goes flying into the back of people for no reason at all. Ben Close gave him a right rollocking a couple of times last night. Its a good job he has athleticism on his side because he just wouldn't be here in my opinion.
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
He really, really doesn't cover for Anderson.
He does, watch him, the times he has to come across to cover anderson is unbelievable, Anderson is slightly quicker than Wood though, but only slightly
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Young lad? Olowu is 24, probably the average age of the squad.
It's clear he's not developed any of the attributes of a good central defender - positional sense, bravery, heading ability, decision-making. He's a bowl of spaghetti defender, when in the lower leagues you need a lamppost defender.
He's not a young player developing - he's at a critical cross-road in his career.
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
He really, really doesn't cover for Anderson.
He does, watch him, the times he has to come across to cover anderson is unbelievable, Anderson is slightly quicker than Wood though, but only slightly
You want to compare the attributes and attitudes of Anderson and Olowu?
Go back and watch the second goal against Morecambe.
One defender was busting his arse making up ground to make a crucial block. The other was ambling back into the box, 15 yards behind and consequently wasn't ready to deal with the next threat.
Guess which one was which.
And yes that was only one instance. But it's emblematic of the two of them.
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Young lad? Olowu is 24, probably the average age of the squad.
It's clear he's not developed any of the attributes of a good central defender - positional sense, bravery, heading ability, decision-making. He's a bowl of spaghetti defender, when in the lower leagues you need a lamppost defender.
He's not a young player developing - he's at a critical cross-road in his career.
Cliff Byrne, Richard Wood and Tom Anderson have all had better careers then he has and it doesn't look like any of it is rubbing off on Joe.
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Young lad? Olowu is 24, probably the average age of the squad.
It's clear he's not developed any of the attributes of a good central defender - positional sense, bravery, heading ability, decision-making. He's a bowl of spaghetti defender, when in the lower leagues you need a lamppost defender.
He's not a young player developing - he's at a critical cross-road in his career.
Cliff Byrne, Richard Wood and Tom Anderson have all had better careers then he has and it doesn't look like any of it is rubbing off on Joe.
Agree a bit but he’s always fire fighting because of the midfield in front of him and the lack of strength and pace around him.
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
Give over, Anderson bashing time again. The problem with Olowu is that he lacks concentration his positioning is woeful, as a previous post mentioned he would probably be better in a wider position.
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
Give over, Anderson bashing time again. The problem with Olowu is that he lacks concentration his positioning is woeful, as a previous post mentioned he would probably be better in a wider position.
I’ve always defended and stuck up for Anderson but I think he’s gone now. He looks like a journeyman boxer who’s had too many second places, he needs retiring and putting out to stud!
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
Give over, Anderson bashing time again. The problem with Olowu is that he lacks concentration his positioning is woeful, as a previous post mentioned he would probably be better in a wider position.
I’ve always defended and stuck up for Anderson but I think he’s gone now. He looks like a journeyman boxer who’s had too many second places, he needs retiring and putting out to stud!
[/quote] Put out to stud ?…. mmmm sounds like a promotion :woot:
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This 3 at the back is not helping Joe.
The 2 wide centre backs are getting pulled out of position because our wing backs are not playing as full backs.
It’s as simple as that
While GM persists with this system we are going to concede goals.
End of.
We had it with Fergie in 2015/16 and now it’s happening again
What happened in Jan, Feb, March 2016 can anyone remember?
I need say no more.
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We also can’t defend set pieces same as 2015/16
So even a back 4 won’t solve that.
2 new centre backs in Wood and Faulkner would help.
They aren’t new just injured. We need them fit very soon.
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I don't know why people are even talking about players that have been part of the abortion of the last 2 seasons. They need clearing out, the lot of them.
Terry's not taken over the reins for no reason. IMO, he'll know that a lot of recruitment's going to be needed in the next 2 windows.
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We also can’t defend set pieces same as 2015/16
So even a back 4 won’t solve that.
2 new centre backs in Wood and Faulkner would help.
They aren’t new just injured. We need them fit very soon.
I’m not wedded to the idea of 3 at the back but Wood in a 4 won’t work.
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Anderson should never have been offered a new contract but Olowu has got worse in my opinion. He makes the same mistakes week in week out and then appears to add new ones to his repertoire
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I don't know why people are even talking about players that have been part of the abortion of the last 2 seasons. They need clearing out, the lot of them.
Terry's not taken over the reins for no reason. IMO, he'll know that a lot of recruitment's going to be needed in the next 2 windows.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
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Mr. Unreliable. Slow on the turn with his back to goal, easily outpaced, poor unimaginative distribution, can’t read the game. We need much better.
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Personally I think Joe is one of our rough diamonds. His distribution against Bradford was shocking, not seen it that bad before, but never missed a header.
He isn't the senior man at the back yet seems to be taking all the flack. Anderson should be leading at the back regards positioning of all.
The comment about playing at full back, I think he was last quarter of game. Seemed to be
Nixon Bailey Anderson Olowu
Then 5mins later Nixon swapped for Sterry who pushed up so went to 3 at back maybe?
When we lose 5.0 and 3.1 at home in successive games you can't pick out any one player for the issue.
Thought it was harsh dropping Jones.
Thought Moly made a significant difference to our play when he came on.
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He hasn’t developed enough since we signed him. Concentration is an issue. I think you could play him in a holding midfield role, but his distribution recently hasn’t been the best.
He has some strengths , maybe the coaching at our club isn’t the best for bringing players on.
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He is prone to switching off. Too many mistakes in him. Other than that he is superb.
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I don't know why people are even talking about players that have been part of the abortion of the last 2 seasons. They need clearing out, the lot of them.
Terry's not taken over the reins for no reason. IMO, he'll know that a lot of recruitment's going to be needed in the next 2 windows.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
When the water's absolutely rancid, I don't think it makes much difference.
There's no-one from this lot I'd miss, other than Ironside and Bailey. If we want promotion, we need quality players.
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I don't know why people are even talking about players that have been part of the abortion of the last 2 seasons. They need clearing out, the lot of them.
Terry's not taken over the reins for no reason. IMO, he'll know that a lot of recruitment's going to be needed in the next 2 windows.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
When the water's absolutely rancid, I don't think it makes much difference.
There's no-one from this lot I'd miss, other than Ironside and Bailey. If we want promotion, we need quality players.
More like:”If we want to avoid relegation, we need quality players.”
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I’ve defended Olowu many times, as I try to do with all our players.
But basically he is not good enough. He has to go.
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I’ve defended Olowu many times, as I try to do with all our players.
But basically he is not good enough. He has to go.
You could quite possibly get your wish this window but he’ll finish up at a bigger club than ours!
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Olowu has many good attributes but makes so many errors he is a liability, even with better players he will find it hard to lose them traits
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I would be very pleased to see him go asap.
The 4th goal v Morcambe shows he has the heart of a pea.
Watching him stand and stare at opposing strikers heading crosses into our net or making pathetic half attempts to head away a cross when he actually turns away and faces his own goal has become sickening to watch.
What’s he good at… he’s quick and can head a ball that’s aimed down the middle straight to him with no one challenging. Also good at after match celebrations after his positive contribution has been pretty much nil.
It’s Anderson that covers for Joseph not the other way around
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What's Joe Wright up to? Anderson was at his best when he played with him
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Playing for Kilmarnock in the Scottish Premier League.
Only managed to play more than half of league games twice in his six seasons with us.
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
Absolutely 100%
Cook's movement for their first goal is identical to most of his goals - why does Tom chase him around when all he has to do is head for the 6 yard box corner and wait for him ?? - and then when he does go up for it it's all too powder puff.
Contrast Tom with their No 5 ??
I think it was their No.6 who when Andy Cook rose unchallenged at the back post to score their first bent down to Anderson on the floor & shouted “Call yourself a defender? You were mugged good & proper. Anyway, a quiet Christmas at home with the family this year or are you going away for the festivities?”.
Allegedly.
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
Absolutely 100%
Cook's movement for their first goal is identical to most of his goals - why does Tom chase him around when all he has to do is head for the 6 yard box corner and wait for him ?? - and then when he does go up for it it's all too powder puff.
Contrast Tom with their No 5 ??
I think it was their No.6 who when Andy Cook rose unchallenged at the back post to score their first bent down to Anderson on the floor & shouted “Call yourself a defender? You were mugged good & proper. Anyway, a quiet Christmas at home with the family this year or are you going away for the festivities?”.
Allegedly.
I was right in line with that altercation, Cook totally outfoxed Anderson. Anderson pulled Cooks’ shirt over his face, Cook complained to the ref and he had a word, the ball came in, Cook ran around the back of a Bradford player being marked by a Rovers player, Anderson fell over trying to get to Cook and Cook was totally unmarked.
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This isn't intended to be a hate on Joe thread, more of a question really. I personally think he suffers from a lack of positioning and consistency in decision making but he has lots of great attributes. Do you think he would be better at full back? He'd be good physically and has a lot of pace and his mistakes or lapses in concentration would be less costly to the team in my opinion.
Changed my mind... Feel free to lambast him!! Shocking!!!
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He can go f**k for me. Ever since I saw him bottle a 50/50 tackle against Peterborough I thought then that he should never wear the shirt again.
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I've been making this point for nearly three seasons now. We nearly ALWAYS concede in league games and hardly ever manage a clean sheet. This season it is almost 90pc of league games in which we concede and last two season before were around that level. If we concede then we have to score to get at least a point, and we haven't been shit hot in that area either. We've had the same central defensive unit for those three seasons and it hasn't improved even as we have got relegated and dropped down to nominally an easier level.
Wood I assume was seen to be a short term fix but he's clearly not going to be the answer. We managed with Jones and McCombe to find what was a relatively cheap pair who could actually defend, at short notice. And that was in League One. Is it really that hard? We are not looking for ball playing John Stones clones. Just two players who can work together and defend.
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
so wot was his excuse for the 2nd goal as he should of been 100% favourit to win that challange
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Theres a player in there in my opinion, he’s distracted having to cover for Anderson all the time
so wot was his excuse for the 2nd goal as he should of been 100% favourit to win that challange
Anderson’s inability to deal with a challenge he was favourite for and then Lawlors decision not to come and smother the ball preceded that, you are blaming Olowu for two previous mistakes, having said that Olowu should have been more switched on in that moment
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He's f*cking rubbish.
Most of this squad are f*cking rubbish.
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Don’t sit on the fence, Steve, tell us what you really think!
;) :lol: :lol:
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I like Olowu but it’s a bit like JT, he never seems to have learnt composure and his decision making is awful. Unless and until he does I don’t see him getting much further in the game.
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Seems to be a few rumblings on Twitter that Olowu is off to Wigan.
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If it is on Twitter then it is almost certainly doubtful but even if remotely true, he has 18 months left on his deal so they will presumably have to pay a fee for him. Not sure that feels realistic in the current situation. Could be wrong.
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I had heard the same thing last week, so it’s not something that’s just popped up today.
You look at his desire on that second goal and he wouldn’t be the first player to coast and give up ahead of a move.
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Swop him for Josh Stones
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Swap him for a pint of Stones
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Swap him for a sack of stones.