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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Super Colin Cramb on December 27, 2023, 03:52:35 pm
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It is clear that the players aren’t good enough but that’s no excuse for not showing some desire and heart. I’d be happier if we put some big challenges and showed they give a shit! Mansfield on paper is a tough ask to go there and get something, so let’s get amongst them and give the fans something to cling onto. The desire shown by Olowu for there second is not acceptable!
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It is clear that the players aren’t good enough but that’s no excuse for not showing some desire and heart. I’d be happier if we put some big challenges and showed they give a shit! Mansfield on paper is a tough ask to go there and get something, so let’s get amongst them and give the fans something to cling onto. The desire shown by Olowu for there second is not acceptable!
None of them have an interest in drfc. We are nothing to them. They just take the wage. I slate him on here for his HOF contribution ( or lack of), but we need a few players like JC , who play for the shirt. And that’s going to take time. A lot of it.
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It is clear that the players aren’t good enough but that’s no excuse for not showing some desire and heart. I’d be happier if we put some big challenges and showed they give a shit! Mansfield on paper is a tough ask to go there and get something, so let’s get amongst them and give the fans something to cling onto. The desire shown by Olowu for there second is not acceptable!
None of them have an interest in drfc. We are nothing to them. They just take the wage. I slate him on here for his HOF contribution ( or lack of), but we need a few players like JC , who play for the shirt. And that’s going to take time. A lot of it.
In the words of Grant the players are "self employed" very strange.
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Harsh to include Ironside, Nixon and Bailey with the title of this thread. Anderson has the heart just hasn't produced.
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It is clear that the players aren’t good enough but that’s no excuse for not showing some desire and heart. I’d be happier if we put some big challenges and showed they give a shit! Mansfield on paper is a tough ask to go there and get something, so let’s get amongst them and give the fans something to cling onto. The desire shown by Olowu for there second is not acceptable!
None of them have an interest in drfc. We are nothing to them. They just take the wage. I slate him on here for his HOF contribution ( or lack of), but we need a few players like JC , who play for the shirt. And that’s going to take time. A lot of it.
In the words of Grant the players are "self employed" very strange.
I guess if you read it in the context of normal rules' view that they have no interest in drfc then it makes sense, they are playing for themselves, hence self employed. Though in a team game I don't see how it's possible to be successful without at the very least investing emotionally with your team mates.
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
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The Experiment was a gamble that with hindsight didn't work, but had it worked we would have done well. It sounded good at the start.
So great, keep the businessmen happy and let's enjoy dragging our arse in league two or maybe even the National League next season the way we are going. We face another loss in the next game and the "smoke and mirrors" we keep reading is not addressing the issues. Where is the passion, soul and inspiration these days?
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The Experiment was a gamble with other people's money as far as I can see.
A gamble that increased our wage bill by £2m and failed miserably. And then someone had to pick up the tab for that.
I'll make the point again. What right do you have to moan about someone not subsidising your hobby to the level that you think is appropriate?
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If the experiment had been successful, would all of the board have been given credit for it, and not just John Ryan?
Also, had it been successful, would the board have benefitted financially in the long run?
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
When you are referring to Businessmen you are including Blunt and a decade of decline, 5 year plans and 100 league defeats in 5 seasons, so are we at a level and position at that level that you are personally satisfied in as consequence of a strategy of austerity? Personally i am not. This isan't a go at Bramall, he has tried to support the club, and previously with Watson and Ryan took us to dizzy heights and only one year in the league basement in c. 18 seasons, but no one can be impressed with the decline on and off the pitch over the last 4 seasons, with a terrible pamphlet for a programme, and until this season, horrible decline in match day experience in terms of catering, kiosk service, quality of kits etc. Blunt the Businessman oversaw the job lot! So glad he has gone.
I am afraid we are going to have to be patient to see the overhaul by McCann supported by Bramall and Baldwin but let's not dismiss the decline and where we have landed now due to self imposed austerity and poor leadership from the top, rookie managers, terrible player recruitment, a malaise over the club including a joke of a medical department with injuries piling up like the NHS waiting lists over the last decade. I think we have become a soft touch both on the pitch and off it, due to a lack of proper leadership by the so called businessmen referred to above, and i just hope McCann can sort it on the pitch with some good coaching and smart recruitment, and Bramall can oversee an overhaul off the pitch to stop the malaise.
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Yet another thread going off target, well done guys, you always do it. This thread is "Desire and Heart" not "The Experiment".
Who in the club has the passion, soul and inspiration these days? No-one can answer that. And all I say is the last time was when John Ryan was active in the club and is still the only one trying to generate interest in the fan base.
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The trouble, DEiY, is that fans have been very patient for years now and with every 6 months we just keep seeing further decline. And as we decline the soul has been constantly further sucked out of the club. There is no desire or heart any more and that should be coming down from the top to the organisation, the staff, the players and the fans.
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You do realise that JR brought “the Business men” in and was passionate about that
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So this thread is now "John Ryan" or "The Experiment". "Smoke and mirrors" yet again.
No-one can deny the lack of soul in the club these days or how we address it.
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So this thread is now "John Ryan" or "The Experiment". "Smoke and mirrors" yet again.
No-one can deny the lack of soul in the club these days or how we address it.
You're the one who brought JR into this.
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Back on topic, I'd keep Ironside, Bailey, Maxwell, Faulkner and Westbrooke, maybe Senior and Nixon out of this current crop. The rest can go for me. I don't include Kuleya, Flint and Goodman in that, they could develop.
I thought Olowu would be a shrewd signing after seeing him at first but it's just not happening. Anderson is done and Wood isn't going to be the saviour either.
Some serious work needed over several transfer windows. Grant is the man.
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
They were conned by that pillar of the community Mackay.
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Yet another thread going off target, well done guys, you always do it. This thread is "Desire and Heart" not "The Experiment".
Who in the club has the passion, soul and inspiration these days? No-one can answer that. And all I say is the last time was when John Ryan was active in the club and is still the only one trying to generate interest in the fan base.
Was John Ryan at the club when we were a gnat's chuff away from Wembley in 2019? Or when we were the best side in L1 for half of 2020/21?
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Back on topic, I'd keep Ironside, Bailey, Maxwell, Faulkner and Westbrooke, maybe Senior and Nixon out of this current crop. The rest can go for me. I don't include Kuleya, Flint and Goodman in that, they could develop.
I thought Olowu would be a shrewd signing after seeing him at first but it's just not happening. Anderson is done and Wood isn't going to be the saviour either.
Some serious work needed over several transfer windows. Grant is the man.
Can't disagree with most of that , would add Molyneux and Hurst to that, appreciate both can be frustrating at times but should be good at this level with better players around them. Just goes to show how good a player Westbrook is, we all thought he was good but now he's absent it's glaringly obvious he's been holding this shit show together.
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Back on topic, I'd keep Ironside, Bailey, Maxwell, Faulkner and Westbrooke, maybe Senior and Nixon out of this current crop. The rest can go for me. I don't include Kuleya, Flint and Goodman in that, they could develop.
I thought Olowu would be a shrewd signing after seeing him at first but it's just not happening. Anderson is done and Wood isn't going to be the saviour either.
Some serious work needed over several transfer windows. Grant is the man.
Can't disagree with most of that , would add Molyneux and Hurst to that, appreciate both can be frustrating at times but should be good at this level with better players around them. Just goes to show how good a player Westbrook is, we all thought he was good but now he's absent it's glaringly obvious he's been holding this shit show together.
I'd highlighted how important a player Westbrooke had become for us a few weeks before he got injured. I was worried at that point, but I certainly didn't expect anything like the drop off we've seen since.
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Yet another thread going off target, well done guys, you always do it. This thread is "Desire and Heart" not "The Experiment".
Who in the club has the passion, soul and inspiration these days? No-one can answer that. And all I say is the last time was when John Ryan was active in the club and is still the only one trying to generate interest in the fan base.
Was John Ryan at the club when we were a gnat's chuff away from Wembley in 2019? Or when we were the best side in L1 for half of 2020/21?
No, and if he was we would quite possibly not have been in either of those situations.
We might have been in the Championship already.
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Yet another thread going off target, well done guys, you always do it. This thread is "Desire and Heart" not "The Experiment".
Who in the club has the passion, soul and inspiration these days? No-one can answer that. And all I say is the last time was when John Ryan was active in the club and is still the only one trying to generate interest in the fan base.
Was John Ryan at the club when we were a gnat's chuff away from Wembley in 2019? Or when we were the best side in L1 for half of 2020/21?
He certainly wasn't in 2014 when we got relegated or 2016 when we got relegated or the absolute show since 2020 during our sustainability days.
There are those on here who should be eating alot of humble pie since spring 2021 when a small not silent minority were saying if the board didn't invest in the playing staff substantially we would be in freefall. A number of you on here, you know who you are, arrogantly scoffed the idea. Well unfortunately here we are 3 seasons later and c. 80 defeats, a losing mentality and culture, and how many thrashings and bad performances in that period and all I can say is thankfully the chief architect of our austerity strategy has gone, the one a number of you on here steadfastly supported. I would rather have been eating humble pie and we be in the Championship or top half of league one but we are not. As the Hives once sang.. 'hate to say I told you so'.. a number of you blindly discounted reality with your heads buried in the sand believing our Board could do no wrong.. what absolute experts you all were and are. I think some of you were so immersed in the spin coming from the club you failed to see reality of how dire things were on the pitch and how poor the club was being run until we languish with the dead men at the bottom of league two! So much for an infallible football hierarchy at the club and some of the would be experts on here.
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Maybe the people who refuse to move on from the John Ryan era should start a crowdfunder to get him back?
And there may be doubts about Grant McCann's tactical acumen but does anyone really doubt his desire and heart? It's clear from every interview that he wants Rovers to be successful - and hurts as much as anyone when we loose. Which is where the passion should come from, the management team, not the chairman.
John Ryan was a total one off. He's gone. Get over it.
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McCann has the passion and the pedigree, its the players who don't! Some have been on Easy street too long under the leadership or our ex Chairman, the poor managers appointed prior to McCann and a poor medical team. You don't sort that out overnight. There are alot of players here from previous seasons who have offered poor value for money or have stayed we'll beyond there best performances for the club.
I thinks it's more than just heart and desire and I was pleased to hear McCann allude to it in a recent interview, as a team and squad we lack real attributes, for example physical strength and pace at the back, pace within the team, a commanding keeper, and its no surprise our form has demised with Westbrook injured as technically we miss him in midfield too.
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Maybe the people who refuse to move on from the John Ryan era should start a crowdfunder to get him back?
And there may be doubts about Grant McCann's tactical acumen but does anyone really doubt his desire and heart? It's clear from every interview that he wants Rovers to be successful - and hurts as much as anyone when we loose. Which is where the passion should come from, the management team, not the chairman.
John Ryan was a total one off. He's gone. Get over it.
Wilts, I haven’t seen many doubts expressed about McCanns tactical acumen.
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Maybe the people who refuse to move on from the John Ryan era should start a crowdfunder to get him back?
And there may be doubts about Grant McCann's tactical acumen but does anyone really doubt his desire and heart? It's clear from every interview that he wants Rovers to be successful - and hurts as much as anyone when we loose. Which is where the passion should come from, the management team, not the chairman.
John Ryan was a total one off. He's gone. Get over it.
Wilts, I haven’t seen many doubts expressed about McCanns tactical acumen.
There's a couple of threads about it hound. Which I haven't contributed too and have no intention on doing so on this one either as it is entitled Desire and Heart. Which Grant McCann has in spades.
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It is clear that the players aren’t good enough but that’s no excuse for not showing some desire and heart. I’d be happier if we put some big challenges and showed they give a shit! Mansfield on paper is a tough ask to go there and get something, so let’s get amongst them and give the fans something to cling onto. The desire shown by Olowu for there second is not acceptable!
I think that your post holds value however you can’t paint them all with the same brush regarding heart. Some do lack desire and heart but some don’t have have a footballing brain, can’t communicate, don’t have the required skill, unfortunately these failures jointly are the reason for our current position.
In a nutshell we have recused poorly.
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I’m really hoping that Faulkner gets a run once fit I’d go as far as making him captain unless we get a proven leader in who can compete in every game
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It is clear that the players aren’t good enough but that’s no excuse for not showing some desire and heart. I’d be happier if we put some big challenges and showed they give a shit! Mansfield on paper is a tough ask to go there and get something, so let’s get amongst them and give the fans something to cling onto. The desire shown by Olowu for there second is not acceptable!
I think that your post holds value however you can’t paint them all with the same brush regarding heart. Some do lack desire and heart but some don’t have have a footballing brain, can’t communicate, don’t have the required skill, unfortunately these failures jointly are the reason for our current position.
In a nutshell we have recused poorly.
Sorry should have been “recruited poorly”.
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
Was JR even the architect of the "Experiment"?
My memory might be letting me down, but I thought JR had come out and publicly backed SOD just a few days before he got sacked, and if I remember correctly it came out a bit later that Watson was the one who drove the change, as he went on record as saying he was fed up with getting beat every week. I'm sure JR towed the party line at the time and publicly backed it once the decision had been made, but I seem to remember him being the one in favour of giving SOD more time.
Either way, I'm sure it wouldn't have happened if it was JR and JR only who had wanted it. The other two had equal shareholding and the power to overrule him.
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There is no doubting that JR got some things wrong, particularly at the end of his time on the Board.
But by god, he got so much right too.
He saved the club and firmly put us back on the map.
People criticise younger fans who are having a pop at the current owners etc and saying they have only known the good times and haven’t suffered the leaner times like us older fans.
That though makes me wonder why a few older fans don’t t appreciate more of the good stuff that JR did rather than seek out reasons to have yet another pop at him.
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We're a unique bunch at Donny. I wonder if any Forest fans only judge Brian Clough's legacy on his disastrous final season as Forest manager!
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We're a unique bunch at Donny. I wonder if any Forest fans only judge Brian Clough's legacy on his disastrous final season as Forest manager!
It's perfectly possible for a grown up to be deeply grateful to Ryan for saving the club and bringing in people with the money to give us our finest period in 50 years...while simultaneously thinking The Experiment was an unmitigated disaster, the Sequentia Capital plan unhinged and the Louis Tomlinson crowdfunder embarrassingly sad.
Some of us got over the Catholic education that brainwashed us into thinking there were only Angels and Sinners.
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It's also perfectly possible for a grown-up to accept that John Ryan wasn't solely responsible for the failed experiment.
It's also perfectly possible for a grown-up to accept that if The Experiment had been successful, all of the board would have been given credit for it, and not just John Ryan.
It's also perfectly possible for a grown-up to accept that had it been successful, the board would have benefitted financially in the long run.
It's not entirely a case of John Ryan being a sinner and the rest of the board being angels regarding The Experiment, irrespective of whether you were brought up Catholic or not.
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As it is still recent
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67770971?xtor=AL-73-%5Bpartner%5D-%5BBBC+England%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_link_type=web_link&at_link_origin=bbcemt&at_medium=social&at_format=link&at_campaign_type=owned&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_link_id=0160038C-A579-11EE-80F4-3747D0B4AF07
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
Was JR even the architect of the "Experiment"?
My memory might be letting me down, but I thought JR had come out and publicly backed SOD just a few days before he got sacked, and if I remember correctly it came out a bit later that Watson was the one who drove the change, as he went on record as saying he was fed up with getting beat every week. I'm sure JR towed the party line at the time and publicly backed it once the decision had been made, but I seem to remember him being the one in favour of giving SOD more time.
Either way, I'm sure it wouldn't have happened if it was JR and JR only who had wanted it. The other two had equal shareholding and the power to overrule him.
He might not have been the architect but he was the driver.
I was called into a meeting the day SO’D was dismissed and given the whole story and it was obvious that he was the key decision maker. To suggest that it was someone else, i.e. Dick Watson, is completely wrong.
The idea came about through Willy McKay and Micky Walker which was then sold to JR.
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
Was JR even the architect of the "Experiment"?
My memory might be letting me down, but I thought JR had come out and publicly backed SOD just a few days before he got sacked, and if I remember correctly it came out a bit later that Watson was the one who drove the change, as he went on record as saying he was fed up with getting beat every week. I'm sure JR towed the party line at the time and publicly backed it once the decision had been made, but I seem to remember him being the one in favour of giving SOD more time.
Either way, I'm sure it wouldn't have happened if it was JR and JR only who had wanted it. The other two had equal shareholding and the power to overrule him.
He might not have been the architect but he was the driver.
I was called into a meeting the day SO’D was dismissed and given the whole story and it was obvious that he was the key decision maker. To suggest that it was someone else, i.e. Dick Watson, is completely wrong.
The idea came about through Willy McKay and Micky Walker which was then sold to JR.
Alright, fair enough. My memory obviously is letting me down then.
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
Was JR even the architect of the "Experiment"?
My memory might be letting me down, but I thought JR had come out and publicly backed SOD just a few days before he got sacked, and if I remember correctly it came out a bit later that Watson was the one who drove the change, as he went on record as saying he was fed up with getting beat every week. I'm sure JR towed the party line at the time and publicly backed it once the decision had been made, but I seem to remember him being the one in favour of giving SOD more time.
Either way, I'm sure it wouldn't have happened if it was JR and JR only who had wanted it. The other two had equal shareholding and the power to overrule him.
He might not have been the architect but he was the driver.
I was called into a meeting the day SO’D was dismissed and given the whole story and it was obvious that he was the key decision maker. To suggest that it was someone else, i.e. Dick Watson, is completely wrong.
The idea came about through Willy McKay and Micky Walker which was then sold to JR.
Surely Terry and Dick were in agreement though that it should go ahead.
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
Was JR even the architect of the "Experiment"?
My memory might be letting me down, but I thought JR had come out and publicly backed SOD just a few days before he got sacked, and if I remember correctly it came out a bit later that Watson was the one who drove the change, as he went on record as saying he was fed up with getting beat every week. I'm sure JR towed the party line at the time and publicly backed it once the decision had been made, but I seem to remember him being the one in favour of giving SOD more time.
Either way, I'm sure it wouldn't have happened if it was JR and JR only who had wanted it. The other two had equal shareholding and the power to overrule him.
He might not have been the architect but he was the driver.
I was called into a meeting the day SO’D was dismissed and given the whole story and it was obvious that he was the key decision maker. To suggest that it was someone else, i.e. Dick Watson, is completely wrong.
The idea came about through Willy McKay and Micky Walker which was then sold to JR.
This is a new revelation that Micky Walker was at the heart of this. Extraordinary.
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
Was JR even the architect of the "Experiment"?
My memory might be letting me down, but I thought JR had come out and publicly backed SOD just a few days before he got sacked, and if I remember correctly it came out a bit later that Watson was the one who drove the change, as he went on record as saying he was fed up with getting beat every week. I'm sure JR towed the party line at the time and publicly backed it once the decision had been made, but I seem to remember him being the one in favour of giving SOD more time.
Either way, I'm sure it wouldn't have happened if it was JR and JR only who had wanted it. The other two had equal shareholding and the power to overrule him.
He might not have been the architect but he was the driver.
I was called into a meeting the day SO’D was dismissed and given the whole story and it was obvious that he was the key decision maker. To suggest that it was someone else, i.e. Dick Watson, is completely wrong.
The idea came about through Willy McKay and Micky Walker which was then sold to JR.
The resignation of four Board members four months later adds a interesting twist to the story.
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Would they have resigned if the experiment was working?
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
Was JR even the architect of the "Experiment"?
My memory might be letting me down, but I thought JR had come out and publicly backed SOD just a few days before he got sacked, and if I remember correctly it came out a bit later that Watson was the one who drove the change, as he went on record as saying he was fed up with getting beat every week. I'm sure JR towed the party line at the time and publicly backed it once the decision had been made, but I seem to remember him being the one in favour of giving SOD more time.
Either way, I'm sure it wouldn't have happened if it was JR and JR only who had wanted it. The other two had equal shareholding and the power to overrule him.
He might not have been the architect but he was the driver.
I was called into a meeting the day SO’D was dismissed and given the whole story and it was obvious that he was the key decision maker. To suggest that it was someone else, i.e. Dick Watson, is completely wrong.
The idea came about through Willy McKay and Micky Walker which was then sold to JR.
Surely Terry and Dick were in agreement though that it should go ahead.
No, not as easy as that. TB wasn't in the country at the time, and he wasn't consulted either was my understanding.
For the sacking of SO'D and the installing of Saunders it just needed 2 of the 3 to agree. I won't go into detail but we all knew Dick wasn't in the best of health so pressure of that type was unkind.
The transfer of players was then passed on to Mr McKay, and we all knew how that fared.
The promise of star players on nominal wages didn't bear fruit either, consequently we had the biggest wage spend this club had ever had and we were still relegated.
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Would they have resigned if the experiment was working?
You mean if the Experiment had not led to us bringing in a pile of mostly unmotivated cack, whilst increasing the wage bill by £2m? Who knows? That's a different universe and I don't see the sense in discussing hypotheticals that are so far divorced from reality.
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Would they have resigned if the experiment was working?
You mean if the Experiment had not led to us bringing in a pile of mostly unmotivated cack, whilst increasing the wage bill by £2m? Who knows? That's a different universe and I don't see the sense in discussing hypotheticals that are so far divorced from reality.
I mean exactly what I said.
If the experiment had been successful, would all of the board have been given credit for it, and not just John Ryan?
Also, had it been successful, would the board have benefitted financially in the long run?
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
Was JR even the architect of the "Experiment"?
My memory might be letting me down, but I thought JR had come out and publicly backed SOD just a few days before he got sacked, and if I remember correctly it came out a bit later that Watson was the one who drove the change, as he went on record as saying he was fed up with getting beat every week. I'm sure JR towed the party line at the time and publicly backed it once the decision had been made, but I seem to remember him being the one in favour of giving SOD more time.
Either way, I'm sure it wouldn't have happened if it was JR and JR only who had wanted it. The other two had equal shareholding and the power to overrule him.
He might not have been the architect but he was the driver.
I was called into a meeting the day SO’D was dismissed and given the whole story and it was obvious that he was the key decision maker. To suggest that it was someone else, i.e. Dick Watson, is completely wrong.
The idea came about through Willy McKay and Micky Walker which was then sold to JR.
Who was the driver for the shambolic transfer window in Summer 2021 when we held out til the last minute without a striker other than loanee Cukur fit, and planned for Will Grigg or Aiden O'Brien and went to 11pm and landed no one? Oh sorry we scraped the non contract market and landed DoDoo! Was that JR's fault as well?!? I remember it well, and those that heralded our plans would all work out.
Following the 'experiment' under JR's tenure we went on to achieve what for me was our greatest ever season in living memory, winning league one culminating in the success on that unforgettable day at Brentford. So memories trip off the tongue during his Chairmanship, Brentford away, Leeds at Wembley, JPT final., winning at Elland Road, the championship years under SoD, winning away at Forest, Sheff United, Sheff Wed, Thrashing Barnsley regularly, the final at Stoke, Aston Villa in the Carling Cup, taking Arsenal to Extra Time... what such grandeur and memories have we under the 'regime' since JR left, two good seasons being 2016-17 and 2018-19 but no where near the same success or memories. My memories over the past 3 seasons unfortunately include my worst ever day in football, a five Nil mauling at home to Rotherham, c. 80 league defeats later and down in a potential relegation fight out the league. Give me JR's tenure anyday, and i for one don't object to the 'experiment' either, seeing El Hadj Djouf partner Billy Sharp, particularly as we bounced back spectacularly with a defence we are crying out for now during the 2012-13 season.
I seem to recall when JR resigned it was because the other board members didn't like him spending their money, which is fair enough, but he had put the vast majority of his wealth into the club's rise from conference to Championship, overseen 3 promotions, a much maligned negotiation with the Council to successfully get a new stadium the club badly needed, a JPT trophy win, a Quarter final in the Carling Cup, and fundamentally our long lost pride back. Remind me how how our Board have done over the last decade without JR, and how well they have done without the only other Rovers fan on the Board, Dick Watson since his sad passing? The last four seasons to date have been as bad as any sequence of results and performances as i recall over 40 years, yet still people focus on the 'experiment', has the period of self inflicted austerity under the guise of 'sustainability' not been a terrible longstanding 'experiment' in its own right given the wealth on the Board and the preceding success of the previous 20+ years in comparison.
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The last time I felt real passion in the club was when john John Ryan was chairman. He led from the front and inspired the fans.
Then the businessmen took over and the club became about the academy, Club Doncaster, charity and community work and the likes of Silent Majority said we were doing well financially (even without JR and Dick Watson). And look at where we are now. Barely a league two side. Who is inspiring the club, players or fans any more? Where is the excitement any more?
He also took us into The Experiment which left "the businessmen" as you call them picking up a massive bill.
Your desire seems to be for "the businessmen" to subsidise your hobby up to a level that you personally are satisfied by.
Do you get it that "the businessmen" might have an issue with that?
Was JR even the architect of the "Experiment"?
My memory might be letting me down, but I thought JR had come out and publicly backed SOD just a few days before he got sacked, and if I remember correctly it came out a bit later that Watson was the one who drove the change, as he went on record as saying he was fed up with getting beat every week. I'm sure JR towed the party line at the time and publicly backed it once the decision had been made, but I seem to remember him being the one in favour of giving SOD more time.
Either way, I'm sure it wouldn't have happened if it was JR and JR only who had wanted it. The other two had equal shareholding and the power to overrule him.
He might not have been the architect but he was the driver.
I was called into a meeting the day SO’D was dismissed and given the whole story and it was obvious that he was the key decision maker. To suggest that it was someone else, i.e. Dick Watson, is completely wrong.
The idea came about through Willy McKay and Micky Walker which was then sold to JR.
Who was the driver for the shambolic transfer window in Summer 2021 when we held out til the last minute without a striker other than loanee Cukur fit, and planned for Will Grigg or Aiden O'Brien and went to 11pm and landed no one? Oh sorry we scraped the non contract market and landed DoDoo! Was that JR's fault as well?!? I remember it well, and those that heralded our plans would all work out.
I seem to recall when JR resigned it was because the other board members didn't like him spending their money, which is fair enough, but he had put the vast majority of his wealth into the club's rise from conference to Championship, overseen 3 promotions, a much maligned negotiation with the Council to successfully get a new stadium the club badly needed, a JPT trophy win, a Quarter final in the Carling Cup, and fundamentally our long lost pride back. Remind me how how our Board have done over the last decade without JR, and how well they have done without the only other Rovers fan on the Board, Dick Watson since his sad passing? The last four seasons to date have been as bad as any sequence of results and performances as i recall over 40 years, yet still people focus on the 'experiment', has the period of self inflicted austerity under the guise of 'sustainability' not been a terrible longstanding 'experiment' in its own right given the wealth on the Board and the preceding success of the previous 20+ years in comparison.
Not interested.
You want a love in with John Ryan be my guest.
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Who's to say those who worshipped JR when he was our sugar daddy only to single out his failings when he left won't do the same to Terry Bramall when he surrenders his sugar daddyship?
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We can all agree that the summer 2021 window was the worst in the history of the club. What a huge disaster from start (his first signing was Ro-Shaun Williams) to the end (Joe Dodoo) and everything in between.
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Who's to say those who worshipped JR when he was our sugar daddy only to single out his failings when he left won't do the same to Terry Bramall when he surrenders his sugar daddyship?
I would entirely expect them to. If Bramall runs an Experiment II, gets into bed with an investment company of dubious nature then tries to get pre-pubesecent girls to fund the club.
What do you think?
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But only if, in hindsight, they fail, eh! Then we can forget all the good that the once-loved sugar daddy did and just talk about his failures, can't we? After all, what use is a sugar daddy who no longer forks out his cash, or runs out of it for that matter?
Now, let's try again....
If the experiment had been successful, would all of the board have been given credit for it, and not just John Ryan?
Also, had it been successful, would the board have benefitted financially in the long run?
In your own time.
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BB
You can ask hypothetical questions all night if you want. Fill your boots. There is literally no point in engaging with them though.
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Jesus f*cking christ. As soon as things get tough, we're back to JR v TB.
Give it a rest. It's gone, it's irrelevant to what's happening now. JR isn't coming back.
It's pathetic. It's like kids on a playground. My sugar daddy's bigger than yours!
None of this is helping anything.
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If people stopped attacking JR there would be no need to defend him.
I will defend TB equally if necessary.
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But you're not defending him BB. You're asking stupid questions about predicting the thoughts of people I don't know in scenarios that were never remotely likely to exist.
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Would they have resigned if the experiment was working?
You mean if the Experiment had not led to us bringing in a pile of mostly unmotivated cack, whilst increasing the wage bill by £2m? Who knows? That's a different universe and I don't see the sense in discussing hypotheticals that are so far divorced from reality.
That was such a crazy season. There were a few we actually signed but never actually played for us, Damian Plessis was one. Then there was Frédéric Piquionne who looked very good for us, so good in fact he got a better deal elsewhere and left after a half dozen or so games. That lad who spat at a Leeds or Hull player as well. Beye flying in for training each week, flying back after each game. You do wonder what the established lads thought was going on there. Then Saunders brought a horse into training one day and gave it away to the best trainer that morning.
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But you're not defending him BB. You're asking stupid questions about predicting the thoughts of people I don't know in scenarios that were never remotely likely to exist.
You refuse to respond to the questions because you know the answers are obvious, and they blow the argument out of the water.
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Shut the thread down. It's worse than some of the recent performances. Everyone for themselves, no teamwork, no togetherness!
Move on you old farts!
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I've not suggested that JR was innocent of certain events before his leaving, but I get sick of reading the same old stories by the same old people who seem intent on attacking him at every opportunity.
At the end of the day, JR was dedicated and driven by ambition for Rovers, and if he was rich enough he would quite possibly have achieved his ambition without the need to seek other unorthodox channels.
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I keep on saying it on this site, I don't care about the Richardson days, The Experiment or anything else that is history. It is just constant "smoke and mirrors" by the same people over and over again to distract us from the current state we are in.
Nothing about the club is inspiring and makes me want to go to a match when all I expect is another loss, and that is echoed by the PvO thread where the majority are "lose". We need to bring some passion and soul back into the club somehow. And all I have said was that John Ryan was the last member of the board or director to have the passion I used to enjoy. I don't see it in anyone now anywhere in the club, and no, I don't want want a love in with John Ryan (what a childish comment from SM!), I just respect the passion he has shown, even this year.
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I would imagine the Ryan era was a massively exciting time to be a Rovers fan given what played out before and seeing the club drop in to the 5th tier .
What a journey that was from Dover away to going to Nottingham Forest in the championship and playing them off the park .
To not look back on those days with anything other than fondness seems a little strange even with the warts attached .
Just how many times in your lifespan are you going to see such a meteoric rise at Doncaster Rovers with respect given the club's overall history and many of you were lucky enough to be around to see it ? .
Standing on the terraces at Dover in the late 90's you'd probably have to be mad to even dream about playing Leeds United at Wembley for a place in the second tier at a brand new stadium never mind winning the game .
The real tragedy is that you currently sit where you do in league two and it was allowed to happen given what Ryan built .
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I would imagine the Ryan era was a massively exciting time to be a Rovers fan given what played out before and seeing the club drop in to the 5th tier .
What a journey that was from Dover away to going to Nottingham Forest in the championship and playing them off the park .
To not look back on those days with anything other than fondness seems a little strange even with the warts attached .
Just how many times in your lifespan are you going to see such a meteoric rise at Doncaster Rovers with respect given the club's overall history and many of you were lucky enough to be around to see it ? .
Standing on the terraces at Dover in the late 90's you'd probably have to be mad to even dream about playing Leeds United at Wembley for a place in the second tier at a brand new stadium never mind winning the game .
The real tragedy is that you currently sit where you do in league two and it was allowed to happen given what Ryan built .
Absolutely true Tyke, having built up all the infrastructure on the back of that rise it is a tragedy that the playing staff has not been built upon for the last 4-5 years, basically because there was a culture of " no need to invest, we can become sustainable without any input". We will return to where we came from unless that turns around. That started last summer, but it needs more, and without other investors coming forward things will not get better than surviving in Lg.2 (if we are lucky)
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I've not suggested that JR was innocent of certain events before his leaving, but I get sick of reading the same old stories by the same old people who seem intent on attacking him at every opportunity.
At the end of the day, JR was dedicated and driven by ambition for Rovers, and if he was rich enough he would quite possibly have achieved his ambition without the need to seek other unorthodox channels.
Absolutely, but then wouldn't 99% of the posters on this forum if we had the money?
It is absolutely fine to praise and criticise the same individuals for good and bad things. John clearly got desperate after what were amazing achievements.
When I look back there's stand out moments that were great and bad for the club.
Looking at the current owners, their track record last three to four years hads vlbeen woeful without doubt. It's set the club back years. They have to turn it around in the next 6-12 months or ultimately do everything they can to give someone else a shot.
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I would imagine the Ryan era was a massively exciting time to be a Rovers fan given what played out before and seeing the club drop in to the 5th tier .
What a journey that was from Dover away to going to Nottingham Forest in the championship and playing them off the park .
To not look back on those days with anything other than fondness seems a little strange even with the warts attached .
Just how many times in your lifespan are you going to see such a meteoric rise at Doncaster Rovers with respect given the club's overall history and many of you were lucky enough to be around to see it ? .
Standing on the terraces at Dover in the late 90's you'd probably have to be mad to even dream about playing Leeds United at Wembley for a place in the second tier at a brand new stadium never mind winning the game .
The real tragedy is that you currently sit where you do in league two and it was allowed to happen given what Ryan built .
Great post tyke.
Interesting that “an outsider” (no disrespect at all intended) can see things in the way that myself and many others can see how things have degenerated.
And yes, they were fantastic times on the way back up.
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Wise words Tyke. They were great days and you are so incitive. And most of us just want those days back, and it is distressing to see where we are now.
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So it's fine to regularly whine about the current owners for not spending as much as you want on your hobby, and to compare them unfavourably to a past chairman.
But no-one else can discuss anything about the past chairman.
Right. Got it.
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I would imagine the Ryan era was a massively exciting time to be a Rovers fan given what played out before and seeing the club drop in to the 5th tier .
What a journey that was from Dover away to going to Nottingham Forest in the championship and playing them off the park .
To not look back on those days with anything other than fondness seems a little strange even with the warts attached .
Just how many times in your lifespan are you going to see such a meteoric rise at Doncaster Rovers with respect given the club's overall history and many of you were lucky enough to be around to see it ? .
Standing on the terraces at Dover in the late 90's you'd probably have to be mad to even dream about playing Leeds United at Wembley for a place in the second tier at a brand new stadium never mind winning the game .
The real tragedy is that you currently sit where you do in league two and it was allowed to happen given what Ryan built .
Great post tyke.
Interesting that “an outsider” (no disrespect at all intended) can see things in the way that myself and many others can see how things have degenerated.
And yes, they were fantastic times on the way back up.
It's a funny old world Hound .
Our former chairman John Dennis is your John Ryan and our Craig Hignett is your Billy Sharp .
You hear it over here with John Dennis , the man responsible for us nearly going out of business and in administration in 2002 .
The fact that our John gave us an automatic promotion from the championship , a season in the PL , our first ever trip to Wembley for the 2000 Championship Play Off Final , rebuilt Oakwell with three new stands , built an academy and training facilities that are still right up there and brought quality players to the club we'd never have dreamed of , Hignett , Bruce Dyer , Neil Shipperley , Mike Sheron , Robbie Van De Laan , Kevin Richardson , Geoff Thomas and Steve Chettle and managed by championship promotion specialist Dave Bassett seems to have been eradicated from history .
John Dennis between 1996 - 2000 gave us times we'll never see again in my opinion .
Did he extend us beyond our means ?
Most certainly but only because we lost the 2000 Championship Play Off Final and the subsequent collapse of ITV Digital .
People like John Dennis and John Ryan provided the golden years because they dared to gamble and unfortunately it turned sour in the end .
I prefer to remember the ride John Dennis took us on myself and I wouldn't have it any other way .
For a brief period it was fantastic , memories I'll never forget and will always treasure .
It is what it is in my opinion with Dennis and Ryan .
If they weren't put together the way they were we wouldn't have seen anything .
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Tyke.
Nice post but I'm not sure you're getting the point here, along with a few others who should know better.
No one at Donny has anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club round and setting us up for the best time in 50 years. No-one.
The issue is that there are many who complain constantly about the men who then continued to subsidise the club after Ryan left. The posts I've made are meant in that context. Pointing out that, but for them, we would have been in a right pickle for the past decade. Not least because Ryan's plans at the end of his spell were disastrous.
One can quite reasonably love what Ryan did 25 years ago, tear your hair out at what went on a decade ago, and be thankful to the people who continued to put huge amounts of their personal wealth into the club after he'd gone.
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B*llocks. Bringing up "The Experiment" at every opportunity is far from an example of giving anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.
John Ryan's name came up on this thread because its title is Desire and Heart, and the poster's opinion was that the last time he'd felt the club had those things was when John Ryan was Chairman, and now, as a result, we find ourselves barely able to cope in League Two.
It was YOU who changed the direction of the thread by ignoring the poster's thoughts and challenging the actions of John Ryan, the bloke who you don't have anything but the utmost thanks for.
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B*llocks. Bringing up "The Experiment" at every opportunity is far from an example of giving anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.
John Ryan's name came up on this thread because its title is Desire and Heart, and the poster's opinion was that the last time he'd felt the club had those things was when John Ryan was Chairman, and now, as a result, we find ourselves barely able to cope in League Two.
It was YOU who changed the direction of the thread by ignoring the poster's thoughts and challenging the actions of John Ryan, the bloke who you don't have anything but the utmost thanks for.
Yep, that.
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Undeniably, that.
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I'm sure McCann will be the first to say it's his job to put a team out on the pitch with the right desire and heart to win football matches. He hasn't shyed away from that in his latest interview.
If we see that on the pitch, the fans respond. Putting results together builds confidence and enjoyment. Building consistent performances breeds excitement and interest. We want to hear from the players and the manager.
It's a simple formula.
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Tyke.
Nice post but I'm not sure you're getting the point here, along with a few others who should know better.
No one at Donny has anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club round and setting us up for the best time in 50 years. No-one.
The issue is that there are many who complain constantly about the men who then continued to subsidise the club after Ryan left. The posts I've made are meant in that context. Pointing out that, but for them, we would have been in a right pickle for the past decade. Not least because Ryan's plans at the end of his spell were disastrous.
One can quite reasonably love what Ryan did 25 years ago, tear your hair out at what went on a decade ago, and be thankful to the people who continued to put huge amounts of their personal wealth into the club after he'd gone.
It's also a tragedy that the public of Doncaster didn't back Ryan in the numbers that he probably envisaged they would do .
We also had to have somebody that picked up the pieces when the club fell in to administration in 2002 .
We managed to get back to the championship and stick around for seven consecutive seasons along with an FA Cup semi final .
It's possible to have a Ryan or a John Dennis and how that ultimately ended but it doesn't mean you have to fall off a cliff when it's over .
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Not going to say JR had/has more passion than Dick or TB but, since JR left we have not seen anywhere near the level of passion within the playing staff. Thats a certainty.
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I think the game has moved on massively in the 10 years since JR bailed out. Not only the levels of cash required to compete but how the game has moved on in tactical complexity and standards. We’ve not really moved past ‘hire decent manager and give him some cash’ which only gets you so far. In our case we did neither the last few years and now McCann is having to deal with several seasons of very bad decisions. Given how quickly we have cycled through managers, we need a structure that can survive a manager / coach leaving and all the upheaval and squad fit implications that has.
We are leaders in community engagement and involvement which should be a badge of pride, but laggards in footballing innovation and modernisation, which should be a badge of shame.
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Not going to say JR had/has more passion than Dick or TB but, since JR left we have not seen anywhere near the level of passion within the playing staff. Thats a certainty.
Great Post!
Not only was he chairman, but also manager,head coach and Mr Motivator.
Wasn't this thread about players lacking a pair of balls?
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I keep on saying it on this site, I don't care about the Richardson days, The Experiment or anything else that is history. It is just constant "smoke and mirrors" by the same people over and over again to distract us from the current state we are in.
Nothing about the club is inspiring and makes me want to go to a match when all I expect is another loss, and that is echoed by the PvO thread where the majority are "lose". We need to bring some passion and soul back into the club somehow. And all I have said was that John Ryan was the last member of the board or director to have the passion I used to enjoy. I don't see it in anyone now anywhere in the club, and no, I don't want want a love in with John Ryan (what a childish comment from SM!), I just respect the passion he has shown, even this year.
I think the game has moved on massively in the 10 years since JR bailed out. Not only the levels of cash required to compete but how the game has moved on in tactical complexity and standards. We%u2019ve not really moved past %u2018hire decent manager and give him some cash%u2019 which only gets you so far. In our case we did neither the last few years and now McCann is having to deal with several seasons of very bad decisions. Given how quickly we have cycled through managers, we need a structure that can survive a manager / coach leaving and all the upheaval and squad fit implications that has.
We are leaders in community engagement and involvement which should be a badge of pride, but laggards in footballing innovation and modernisation, which should be a badge of shame.
In relation to Michael Shaw%u2019s comment how does Silent Majority get the votes to continue as Supporters Representative when so many of his comments are so disrespectful of their concerns?
Perhaps if there were better representation there would have been more beneficial change earlier. It may be undiplomatic in such a role to be critical, but there is evidence that he is selective in taking concerns on board. He seems keener to put down people who ask questions that might embarrass those who manage the club, than to confront those who have plainly let the fans down. The changes in the operational arrangements when Copps was supposedly working as HoF with/above Schofield should have been made known, but we heard nothing. Surely when supporters were crying out for information about what the Board felt about the shambolic events last season, Blunt could have been persuaded to make some kind of statement? And the same might be said of Baldwin, the nominal CEO, who sets objectives for the football and then drifts off to manage Club Doncaster leaving everything to a Chairman who clearly needed lots of help. The manager can always be challenged it seems, but no one dare enquire how the CEO/third Board member allowed it all to happen.
As for the current problem I don%u2019t think it%u2019s unreasonable to conclude that what you/we see is also visible to Terry Bramall and I should not imagine that he relishes the obligation to take on an executive role at such a time in his life. He realises that Blunt failed and I do hope that Baldwin can devote time to assist him. DRFC is the flagship and as people have said there must be a fundamental reassessment of the organisation around the current manager which he (GB) should surely want to be delegated to him. In these early days, the change at the top will have had an unsettling effect on the players as well as everyone else. Football clubs are not exempt from the challenges that businesses face in managing Change.
I share CBCB%u2019s view that the football club really does need to think radically about its organisation. Baldwin has quite a task ahead.
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B*llocks. Bringing up "The Experiment" at every opportunity is far from an example of giving anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.
John Ryan's name came up on this thread because its title is Desire and Heart, and the poster's opinion was that the last time he'd felt the club had those things was when John Ryan was Chairman, and now, as a result, we find ourselves barely able to cope in League Two.
It was YOU who changed the direction of the thread by ignoring the poster's thoughts and challenging the actions of John Ryan, the bloke who you don't have anything but the utmost thanks for.
I could have put money in you responding like that.
The reason I mentioned The Experiment was as a response to someone moaning about "the businessmen" taking over the club and not funding it to the extent that the poster would like. I was pointing out that, whatever the poster might think about Ryan's desire, the Experiment could well have bankrupted the club if "the businessmen" weren't around to foot a good chunk of the bill.
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that this goes over your head and you indulge your need to have a pointless fight. It happens most times I post.
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You never commented directly on any aspects of that post, other than to stick the boot in John Ryan. You never said whether you agreed with all of it, some of it, or none of it! You just stuck the boot in John Ryan. Not bad for someone who has nothing but the utmost thanks for what JR did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.
Where did the poster mention not funding it to the EXTENT he would like? I read it as he was against the DIRECTION the money was spent, but then, I wasn't looking for an opportunity to have a pop at JR. You see, I genuinely give the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years, and unlike you, don't bring up "The Experiment" at every opportunity.
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Plenty of heart and desire tonight, what a difference
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B*llocks. Bringing up "The Experiment" at every opportunity is far from an example of giving anything but the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.
John Ryan's name came up on this thread because its title is Desire and Heart, and the poster's opinion was that the last time he'd felt the club had those things was when John Ryan was Chairman, and now, as a result, we find ourselves barely able to cope in League Two.
It was YOU who changed the direction of the thread by ignoring the poster's thoughts and challenging the actions of John Ryan, the bloke who you don't have anything but the utmost thanks for.
I could have put money in you responding like that.
The reason I mentioned The Experiment was as a response to someone moaning about "the businessmen" taking over the club and not funding it to the extent that the poster would like. I was pointing out that, whatever the poster might think about Ryan's desire, the Experiment could well have bankrupted the club if "the businessmen" weren't around to foot a good chunk of the bill.
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that this goes over your head and you indulge your need to have a pointless fight. It happens most times I post.
Then stop posting if it’s clearly ‘jerking your chain so much’!
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You never commented directly on any aspects of that post, other than to stick the boot in John Ryan. You never said whether you agreed with all of it, some of it, or none of it! You just stuck the boot in John Ryan. Not bad for someone who has nothing but the utmost thanks for what JR did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.
Where did the poster mention not funding it to the EXTENT he would like? I read it as he was against the DIRECTION the money was spent, but then, I wasn't looking for an opportunity to have a pop at JR. You see, I genuinely give the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years, and unlike you, don't bring up "The Experiment" at every opportunity.
BB, you really are wasting your time.
He will probably disengage now because you are right but he can’t back down.
Someone else will probably be along soon to support him though.
On the subject of the thread, I have made my views already.
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You never commented directly on any aspects of that post, other than to stick the boot in John Ryan. You never said whether you agreed with all of it, some of it, or none of it! You just stuck the boot in John Ryan. Not bad for someone who has nothing but the utmost thanks for what JR did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.
Where did the poster mention not funding it to the EXTENT he would like? I read it as he was against the DIRECTION the money was spent, but then, I wasn't looking for an opportunity to have a pop at JR. You see, I genuinely give the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years, and unlike you, don't bring up "The Experiment" at every opportunity.
My first post on this issue, idiot.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=289697.msg1279086#msg1279086
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Plenty of heart and desire tonight, what a difference
There in spades tonight.
This division isn't easy, but it's a damn sight easier if you give the opposition a physical battle. It's criminal how little of that we've done for the past 3 years. More of this please.
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You never commented directly on any aspects of that post, other than to stick the boot in John Ryan. You never said whether you agreed with all of it, some of it, or none of it! You just stuck the boot in John Ryan. Not bad for someone who has nothing but the utmost thanks for what JR did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.
Where did the poster mention not funding it to the EXTENT he would like? I read it as he was against the DIRECTION the money was spent, but then, I wasn't looking for an opportunity to have a pop at JR. You see, I genuinely give the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years, and unlike you, don't bring up "The Experiment" at every opportunity.
My first post on this issue, idiot.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=289697.msg1279086#msg1279086
This thread was intended to be about desire and heart. A poster said he hadn't felt any desire and heart since John Ryan left. He then explained why he felt like he did, and gave an opinion that is supported by the decline of the club since JR left. You then jumped in and continued your disdain for JR, using it to distract from the point he was making and to change the direction of the topic.
As it stands now, your only contribution to this thread suggests you blame JR for the current lack of desire and heart at the club.
Dick.
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You never commented directly on any aspects of that post, other than to stick the boot in John Ryan. You never said whether you agreed with all of it, some of it, or none of it! You just stuck the boot in John Ryan. Not bad for someone who has nothing but the utmost thanks for what JR did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years.
Where did the poster mention not funding it to the EXTENT he would like? I read it as he was against the DIRECTION the money was spent, but then, I wasn't looking for an opportunity to have a pop at JR. You see, I genuinely give the utmost thanks for what Ryan did in pulling the club around and setting us up for the best time in 50 years, and unlike you, don't bring up "The Experiment" at every opportunity.
BB, you really are wasting your time.
He will probably disengage now because you are right but he can’t back down.
Someone else will probably be along soon to support him though.
On the subject of the thread, I have made my views already.
Where this forum gets its most tediously boring is when certain posters attempt to turn interesting threads into personal attacks on other posters.
Feed the trolls and they will bore - don't you think hound?
And I have also given my views on the topic already. I believe the performance last night validates them.
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Back on topic.
Last night's performance is a minimum requirement of playing football and as fans, it's all we ask for when playing away from home.
I thought our fans were right behind GM and the boys from the off so we played our part in moving on from the Notts match and giving them full support.
My only criticism is that Mo didn't show any desire in winning/shielding the ball from their goalscorer.
Special praise for Olowu from me, I criticised him heavily after the Notts match and I was disappointed to see him in the starting line up but he was superb last night and his distribution was bang on.
It's something to build on again and so hopefully a bit of confidence going into the next match.